As soon as I seen the thumbnail in my notifications I knew it was your video. I really do enjoy these field videos. I find it odd how I do the same work all day, and come home and watch someone else do the same thing... I've learned a lot Thank You!
Excellent find Ted, gotta love those home owners who can the original design. I didn't see any original pipe support hangers. That sure seems to be a long run for 2 in pipe ? But I'm sure that you fixed it.
Here in California you need to install a drain in the exhaust pipe right where it comes out of the furnace, they make a specific connector that has the 2” exhaust and a 3/4 coming out the bottom.
Great Video. I had just discovered that Amazon has battery adapter for Makita to Dewalt. Milwaukee to Ryobi. There about 20$.. 1 battery with adapter can power any tool..
i didnt think trane liked 2 in vent pipping on there furnaces,that run looked like it should have bin in three inch especially with all of those 90s and 45
Plastic pipe should be supported by fabric straps (like was found) or plastic plumbing straps or j-hooks. Otherwise some picky home inspector who has to find something wrong will write it up. The furnace will vibrate, and over time, in theory, the metal strap with sharp edges could wear the pipe. It's not likely to be a problem in practice over the 20 year life of the furnace.
with how long the pipe is could it be that the air is not getting out fast enough and the warm air is cooling in the pipe making excess water in the pipe ? more then norm
Well, all these arm chair HVAC techs are critiquing, but what I liked was the access to your van from the side. That is handy. And before anybody runs there pie hole, I have 32 years of service in the upstate of SC.
I can understand someone wanting the water to run out the end - if they're not thinking about the hot glue gasses that need to travel upwards along the "ceiling" of the pipe - but how in the hell did he expect it to drain out the end of the pipe, when the end had that 24" riser under the porch??
This Greenville SC? or Anderson side? saw area code, Just wanted to know I live near. Edit Answered my own question. Thanks for the great videos you sir are a bar everyone should be meeting in Skillman ship. Please keep the videos coming.
Ted, Your the business guy not me, But going from the bottom of the floor to EYEBALL the top of the pipe seems harder than , Bottom of the floor to the side of the (centerline) of the pipe, it was always quicker for me that way, but I'm in upstate NY. I used the rule of PITCH 1/4" for 4' on the vents.
Saw you said homeowner hack job. There are as also professional installers who are hacks . Heating and air people have no excuse. They make huge profit and and send some new person that has little traing who create many issues. And can anyone explain why a tempstar 600000 BTU furnace and a 24000 air system should cost 7200 dollars to install. Adding up cost of units and all the parts plus labor doesnt come close to 7200.
I know the codes may allow that metal ban strap or that horrible nylon strap but that flue pipe install would not pass where I work. Inspectors want Greenfield clamps securing flue pipe every 3ft or it would fail.
That vent pipe has to be 3” for the length for one there is no freakin way thats ok 2” also there should be a plumbers tee in there to get rid of the excess condensate omg the butcher jobs ridiculous
I don't know about that Trane but Carrier/Bryant can take 2" pretty far. That run didn't have too many elbows really either. And the plumbers Tee (with the barb and hose) isn't required unless there is a dip in the exhaust pipe because the furnace should be draining the condensate. That being said that pipe was OK except the obvious termination and tape hack. The pitch should have been higher too. I think our Bryant's call for 1/4" per foot (I'd have to look it up but it's around there). Edit: That pipe may have to be insulated too
Every 4' should be an inch drop lol. And I love how everyone uses that gas tite shit. I'm 34 and I still do old school black iron. I think that the gas tite shit Is very amateur just like using shark bites on water lines
I often wondered if the water from the vent on my condensing boiler that was professionally installed should be dripping out side or going out the condensate drain. Now I know it installed wrong.
Not necessarily, it will always condense when the exhaust leaves the outside termination. Just take a look at the exhaust and see if it's pitched correctly the entire run. And usually you'll have pressure switch issues, causing the boiler to not keep up, or struggle to keep up.
I don't understand why you would want the vent pipe lower toward the unit if there is water staying in the pipe. Please explain like you did for the homeowner.
You always pitch the flue back to the furance so the water condensing on the inside of the pvc pipe to run back so it can drain. When you dont water can stand in the pipe and cause pressure switch trips. The reason for the fix is there was a low spot in the elbow where the water was leaking out.
Where’s the old chimney can’t you use that rather then running all that PVC , I mean run that gray plastic tubing up thru the old chimney or even use that pvc .
so, long 2" pipe run, with 3x 90 ells, 2x 45 ells. the 90's didn't appear to be long radius/turn. so each is like 8' of pipe equivalent.., the 45's are like 5'. guestimating by video that's equivalent to nearly 70' total length. which is undersized by far, even if it's 60 MBTU or smaller, way too long and flat a run overall, more so for single pipe(exhaust only) if it's really that long a run and over 60 MBTU size, you may have to step all the way up to 4" !!!! maybe swap two of the 90's for 45's and go a long diagonal inside. a hack install job for sure.
Total there was 1- street (long radius) 90s, 2- long radius 90s, and 2- 45s ..... total pipe was over 45 ft... each 90 counts as 5ft.... 45s count as 3.... counting all that it was over 66 ft total.... the TUC1 - 60,000 furnace was rated for 60ft max on 2in according to Trane.
nice :)) So, I underestimated the pipe length itself and over on the elbows, not always easy to tell by video, but my eye said too long/undersized run.
Worst vent I ever saw, some "self installed" C (single wall) came out of a basement, BURIED in the yard for several feet, and exited right up out of the GROUND. This is in N Idaho "snow country." I have no idea how it ever worked in winter. Homeowner was aggressive and uncooperative. Refused to fix it. I was there for another reason, so I left and called the power company. "IN those days" WA Water Power was the "authority" there was no local city/ county authority
Some people have something wrong with there noodles. You can see the end of the pipe go straight up and you think in your infinite wisdom I'm going to cut this pipe off that a professional put in and duck tape it that will do the trick.
Using 2" PVC for a flue line? I doubt that would ever pass fire code in Europe. Double walled stainless pipe for furnaces is pretty much mandatory here.
Man that’s a long flu run for 2in especially with all those 90s
It doesn't feel like in spec, but when he used those 45's at the end it reduced the number of 90s so it probably helped more than it seems.
The dehumidifier in a vented crawlspace is an added touch from the homeowner 😬
Ernest Roy lol
Trying to dehumidify the crawlspace, and the porch foundation, and the yard. I don't see a problem. 😂
Why wouldn't you use a ....... wait for it....... a level.
As soon as I seen the thumbnail in my notifications I knew it was your video. I really do enjoy these field videos. I find it odd how I do the same work all day, and come home and watch someone else do the same thing... I've learned a lot Thank You!
I am so glad I found your channel, Ted! I am mesmerized! Creepy down there!
Excellent find Ted, gotta love those home owners who can the original design.
I didn't see any original pipe support hangers.
That sure seems to be a long run for 2 in pipe ?
But I'm sure that you fixed it.
That's a satellite mount they used lol...
Yeah, the homeowner probably made it worse but it looks like the original installation was shoddy.
Here in California you need to install a drain in the exhaust pipe right where it comes out of the furnace, they make a specific connector that has the 2” exhaust and a 3/4 coming out the bottom.
Great Video.
I had just discovered that Amazon has battery adapter for Makita to Dewalt. Milwaukee to Ryobi. There about 20$.. 1 battery with adapter can power any tool..
Ted it was mice to meeting you today in person you are nice guy .
Thank you.
i didnt think trane liked 2 in vent pipping on there furnaces,that run looked like it should have bin in three inch especially with all of those 90s and 45
Newer trane furnace can run 200 ft on 2in
Who made the service door on your van?? Can you send me some photos?
Plastic pipe should be supported by fabric straps (like was found) or plastic plumbing straps or j-hooks. Otherwise some picky home inspector who has to find something wrong will write it up. The furnace will vibrate, and over time, in theory, the metal strap with sharp edges could wear the pipe. It's not likely to be a problem in practice over the 20 year life of the furnace.
John Haller interesting. Or plastic j hooks I suppose.
Homeowner special,the pipe is supposed to rise up slightly so the water drains back to unit right.
The venting appears to be undersized for the run, it's not insulated where it's under the porch plus there sure appears to a lack of hangers.
The three foot riser was brilliant. 🦆 tape!
That was a satellite dish bracket at the 2 min. mark LOL
same problem at my brothers house, except it was professionally installed and inspected, destroyed the furnace
Love this channel
That’s a long run on that pvc. Good call on the 45s
That home owner modification looked to me like a pipe mounting bracket for a satalite dish
with how long the pipe is could it be that the air is not getting out fast enough and the warm air is cooling in the pipe making excess water in the pipe ? more then norm
they were afraid the plastic pipe was going to melt the strap. that is hilarious
They just didn't want to cut that last pipe strap so they shoved a bracket under it to lift it up.
Well, all these arm chair HVAC techs are critiquing, but what I liked was the access to your van from the side. That is handy. And before anybody runs there pie hole, I have 32 years of service in the upstate of SC.
Are you related to Roy ?
Here in Li, inspectors make us use polypropylene vent piping. But to me that run looks way to long especially for 2in.
So condensate water have to go right to the furnace? Maybe need to put 3” pipe and insulation on pipe holes?
That thing that was propping the pipe up was a clamping bracket for a satellite dish mast.
Who did the install?
I can understand someone wanting the water to run out the end - if they're not thinking about the hot glue gasses that need to travel upwards along the "ceiling" of the pipe - but how in the hell did he expect it to drain out the end of the pipe, when the end had that 24" riser under the porch??
Good video!!!!!
This Greenville SC? or Anderson side? saw area code, Just wanted to know I live near. Edit Answered my own question. Thanks for the great videos you sir are a bar everyone should be meeting in Skillman ship. Please keep the videos coming.
Got to love "Helicopters"
Love the hillbilly furnace install up on blocks.
00:05 "Ed Cook Eating Service". Are leftovers your specialty?
Does it vent to the neighbors house ? That’s 400$ worth of pipe in Canada
looks like a mice haven with all of those openings
No level on the truck?
Some people are really creative.
That was a reflector clamp for an old Dish Network reflector.
People need to leave alone what they don't understand, some things you don't mess with
That grey piece was from a direct tv or dish mast clamp for a dish. lol
Ted, Your the business guy not me, But going from the bottom of the floor to EYEBALL the top of the pipe seems harder than , Bottom of the floor to the side of the (centerline) of the pipe, it was always quicker for me that way, but I'm in upstate NY. I used the rule of PITCH 1/4" for 4' on the vents.
Probably his third trip to the job. LOL
that was a satellite dish bracket
That vent is nowhwhere near code of any sort. Where (if any) DID it exit/ terminate? Not properly pitched and not properly hung
1/4” per foot pitch, maybe even passed allowance for max vent
Was the home owner watching the Red Green show?
If it get too cold and very long it condensate a lot , it causes some kind of water waves
long run for 2inch level an plumbing strap an proper glue or drive cleat
Saw you said homeowner hack job. There are as also professional installers who are hacks . Heating and air people have no excuse. They make huge profit and and send some new person that has little traing who create many issues. And can anyone explain why a tempstar 600000 BTU furnace and a 24000 air system should cost 7200 dollars to install. Adding up cost of units and all the parts plus labor doesnt come close to 7200.
You have nowhere near added up the cost of the job just with equipment.
I know the codes may allow that metal ban strap or that horrible nylon strap but that flue pipe install would not pass where I work. Inspectors want Greenfield clamps securing flue pipe every 3ft or it would fail.
Looks like a couple of hacks to me
Or a "laser" level. AND why wouldn't they just add cement when building the home to have a real basement?
She had a lot of 90s 😳
#bolognacut
Why do you want it pitched down towards the furnace? Condensation builds in the pipe and runs back.
The furnace scavenges heat from that water to raise efficiency and had drains to get rid of it
Also if it gets to the end it can freeze up in cold weather.
That vent pipe has to be 3” for the length for one there is no freakin way thats ok 2” also there should be a plumbers tee in there to get rid of the excess condensate omg the butcher jobs ridiculous
I would have ran 3 myself but depending on the max allowed for that model. I have seen long runs that are to installed specs
Probly could a got away with 2 1/2 inch
I don't know about that Trane but Carrier/Bryant can take 2" pretty far. That run didn't have too many elbows really either. And the plumbers Tee (with the barb and hose) isn't required unless there is a dip in the exhaust pipe because the furnace should be draining the condensate.
That being said that pipe was OK except the obvious termination and tape hack. The pitch should have been higher too. I think our Bryant's call for 1/4" per foot (I'd have to look it up but it's around there).
Edit: That pipe may have to be insulated too
At least the homeowner used PVC primer
They have glue with the primer in it , all in one.
Or clear primer as it makes job look cleaner. Only need colored primer if its code
Where do you live because none of this would be legal in Ontario Canada.
Is your code not quarter inch per foot how is that OK?
Every 4' should be an inch drop lol. And I love how everyone uses that gas tite shit. I'm 34 and I still do old school black iron. I think that the gas tite shit Is very amateur just like using shark bites on water lines
@@chevguy8587 It's code in some places, especially if prone to earthquakes. I do agree it looks bad and we hard pipe everything.
You left your tin snips there.
I often wondered if the water from the vent on my condensing boiler that was professionally installed should be dripping out side or going out the condensate drain. Now I know it installed wrong.
Not necessarily, it will always condense when the exhaust leaves the outside termination. Just take a look at the exhaust and see if it's pitched correctly the entire run. And usually you'll have pressure switch issues, causing the boiler to not keep up, or struggle to keep up.
I don't understand why you would want the vent pipe lower toward the unit if there is water staying in the pipe. Please explain like you did for the homeowner.
You always pitch the flue back to the furance so the water condensing on the inside of the pvc pipe to run back so it can drain. When you dont water can stand in the pipe and cause pressure switch trips. The reason for the fix is there was a low spot in the elbow where the water was leaking out.
That's alot of 2"
It seems like the problem started with the installer.
Can you just drill a hole in the vent and put in a drain fitting for a quick fix
You can see the blocks it rested on
Hey Ted who sells that type of Van with the side door open compartments
They are a factory option with the GMC cargo vans. The side hatches are opened with the key fob.
Where’s the old chimney can’t you use that rather then running all that
PVC , I mean run that gray plastic tubing up thru the old chimney or even use that pvc .
Good
Use all thread and clevis hangers not band iron.
#73 thumbs up
so, long 2" pipe run, with 3x 90 ells, 2x 45 ells. the 90's didn't appear to be long radius/turn. so each is like 8' of pipe equivalent.., the 45's are like 5'.
guestimating by video that's equivalent to nearly 70' total length. which is undersized by far, even if it's 60 MBTU or smaller, way too long and flat a run overall, more so for single pipe(exhaust only)
if it's really that long a run and over 60 MBTU size, you may have to step all the way up to 4" !!!! maybe swap two of the 90's for 45's and go a long diagonal inside.
a hack install job for sure.
Total there was 1- street (long radius) 90s, 2- long radius 90s, and 2- 45s ..... total pipe was over 45 ft... each 90 counts as 5ft.... 45s count as 3.... counting all that it was over 66 ft total.... the TUC1 - 60,000 furnace was rated for 60ft max on 2in according to Trane.
nice :))
So, I underestimated the pipe length itself and over on the elbows, not always easy to tell by video, but my eye said too long/undersized run.
Oh stop deflecting thats your house
Worst vent I ever saw, some "self installed" C (single wall) came out of a basement, BURIED in the yard for several feet, and exited right up out of the GROUND. This is in N Idaho "snow country." I have no idea how it ever worked in winter. Homeowner was aggressive and uncooperative. Refused to fix it. I was there for another reason, so I left and called the power company. "IN those days" WA Water Power was the "authority" there was no local city/ county authority
That vent line has to be 7 foot above any type of sidewalk or foot path .
There was no closer outside wall than that run? Geez
Have seal the hole ,so not allow carbon minoxide back in
Thats a pretty long run
Oh and that long of a run must be at least 3 1/2 inch vent pipe and must be min of 48 in off grade for snow and be 48 away from window
Some people have something wrong with there noodles. You can see the end of the pipe go straight up and you think in your infinite wisdom I'm going to cut this pipe off that a professional put in and duck tape it that will do the trick.
I really enjoy your videos but running that flue thru the foundation vent was tacky.
Wish you had ended with a pic AFTER the gavanized cap and pipe were painted black
how does Flue Pipe has water ?
It's a high efficiency firance that condenses.
90% furnaces build up condensation and have combustion and vent pipes
Trane furnace support every 3 feet
just have to open the manual and read it and you can avoid 99% of installation problems...not rocket science...
You mean *RFM* ? :-)
You have got to be kidding!!!!!
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Vent pipe looks mixed brands, not allowed
Just had to add a sump pump to that bucket.
Lol
Why do it right when you can do it twice
Double the experience...
Using 2" PVC for a flue line? I doubt that would ever pass fire code in Europe. Double walled stainless pipe for furnaces is pretty much mandatory here.
High efficiency furnace. That's the reason.
Why should the condensation run back into the furnace?
If it ran the other way, it would freeze in extreme temperatures.
I see 90's instead of 22.5 and 45s for the elbows. That is an incredibly poor install of flu pipe discharge pipe
why would you use pvc for a flue no way that's allowed here
That is normal for a high efficiency furnace.
wow
Why not just use a level lol...
What's worse than a homeowner's diy is poor installation from a licensed hvac contractor.
That was a whole lot of wasted time
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Wtaf....