The big book in Mereldar has been deciphered and we got the year he sent them and his name,the emperor is Thoradin the 9th and he has sent them in the year of 342(they never experienced the dark portal so they probably never started counting from 1 and upwards.The text reads as follows. "In the 342 ND year of glorious dominion his holy radiance Emperor Thoradin IX/9 by sovereign edicted the order in the assembly of The Hallowfall expedition to traverse the storming sea"
So the Hallowfall expedition is down there for thousand years or few decades ? Faerin was born on the surface ? How tf they build all settlements and big ass church in just a few years ?
@@tomaskalinka5679Well from what we get in quests and dialog they say its like 15 years ago but considering if the Emperor got the vision once Velen added Muru's refined essence in the Sunwell its been 26 years if im not mistaken TWW is taking place in year 41 ADP and ive seen people saying the Emperor got the vision in 15 ADP precisely at the events in TBC raid the Sunwell. The reason the year might be 342 and year 15 ADP(After the Dark Portal) is because the arathi left thousands of years ago after the 1st Troll wars as Nobbel explains and they never started counting from 1 like people on Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms did after the opening of the porta. Yeah people are bit sceptical how fast they settled in but they generally seem pretty advanced with all the flying ships so i wouldnt say its a stretch. So they might have been there for 20+ years or like 15+ as dialog and quests suggest.
If bro can pull up to stand in front of amirdrassil just to to watch us cut down some trees and one dragon, surely he can make it to the super holy light crystal.
I believe the piece of the Ashbringers crystal is a piece of Beladar. Both shift between light and shadow. The only piece missing is how it got to Mograine from blackrock spire. Regardless, I find it convenient that Anduins Shalamayne still has a missing light in the circular opening of the blade, perfect size for an Ashbringer like circle. Maybe if Anduin splits the blade, he would have one sword of light and one of void (to finally tap into the void that Anduin has used in side stories and in his hearthstone card). Even Magni, the man who forged the Ashbringer, is there. Maybe the Arathi weren't sent to worship Beladar, but to use it to forge new weapons like the Ashbringer to fight the void. Think about it, if the Ashbringer did come from a piece of Beladar, and there happens to be a colony of Earthens who can craft, if Beladar was to be shattered and crumble, I can see a massive production line of forging Ashbringer like weapons.
See the issue with that is Beladar didn't start shifting between Light and Shadow until Sargeras stabbed Azeroth, and since the crystal to forge the Ashbringer was originally shadow the time frame doesn't add up.
All we know is that these Arathi are the descendents of humans and high elves that left Arathor for the seas prior to Arathor fracturing. So >1200 years ago. Since then, they founded a new Arathi Empire in a location currently unknown to us. And the humans and elves mixed and interbred to the point where they are not separate races anymore. They're all one race, that is neither human nor elf, but a mix of traits of both races. HOPEFULLY with as much as we aided their expedition in Hallowfall, they will be our allies when we eventually meet them. The current human kingdoms and Quel'thalas are their very distant cousins after all.
Well the NPCs state that directly in dialog by saying we're not sure how the Empire is going to react to all the different races in the Horde and Alliance. Then Anduin thinks to himself that the people in hallowfall are not that bad but who knows how the tables might turn once the whole fleet arrives. Also its more like 2800 years ago since they say the mix of Elves and Humans leave to the Sea exactly after the 1st Troll wars that end 2800 years before the Dark Portal opening.The empire that existed 1200 years before the dark portal opening is the one that falls and forms the 7 human kingdoms.
The only thing I "dislike" about the Hallowfall storyline is how short a time they've apparently been down there. To build what they've built, and to develop such a strong culture that revolves around Beledar, it just needs more time to feel believable. They been down here like, what? 15 to 20 years if quest dialogue etc are to be believed, that is just laughable. It's one of my pet peeves when writers do this, because it's such an easy fix, there is no reason they could not have written it so they've been down there hundreds of years, they just didn't. It reminds me of the movie Demolition Man :D It had the same sort of problem, more time needs to have passed for the story and setting to make any sense.
@zachburleson4733 could have just made it her ancestor. Hell they're basically all half-elves anyways so you could just play on the extended lifespan thing and just say it was her mom. Would change it from "she saved it" to "she saved it this time" but it's doable
It's one of those things I'll suspend my disbelief for, but I definitely noticed some of the structures would take an age. I hope you're right and it was 15-20 years, because I had the impression it was only 10. Still not realistic, but a little better. :)
@bluebell459 I don't think they're going with this but I had a thought that maybe they pushed a group of people out and took over. But they would've hinted at it somewhere. Yeah, flying through Hallowfall (absolutely love the aesthetic of the zone) I was thinking 20 years one mage and all these stone buildings. Hmmmmm
The hard part of executing a whole 'Empire from Across the Sea' storyline is the fact that you've set up so many world affecting events that they'd have to just... ignore or not notice. I think they really need to think about a sort of meta-lore reason for why weird stuff just seems to keep appearing. If done well and vague enough it would at least lampshade the issues. Collapsing alternate timelines manifesting here or something...
I mean for all we know they could be well aware of certain events, we just won't know until we get there. Like I doubt they didn't notice a planet sized Satan looking guy stabbing the planet. That'd be pretty hard to ignore regardless of what side of the planet you're on lol.
@@justinb7494 There's lots of other things people have pointed out like... because of the weird teleporting of their whole fleet and bright light and whatnot, for all we know they're not even from the same Azeroth we are.
There is a disctinction between knowing of something happening and being able to do something about it. For all we know, they fought the Burning Legion when they invaded just as hard as we did.
@@JoacinoDaGona My main theory so far is that while they are from Azeroth, it's not the same one we are from. Some alternate version maybe. They just sort of teleported in a flash from being on the ocean to underground, right? They could be from anywhere or anywhen...
mereldar is the name of a lake in Eastern Plaguelands i was doing a leveling challenge on my earthen where i level to 70 by only exploring (i did it after 5h!) and saw the name pop up. I didnt find much else in or around the lake.
With new Landmasses like these i always wonder: What about the World ending Threats? Like Cataclysm, Legion, N'Zoths release... as much as this is a minor point i think it should have been adressed because... you know its a World Wide Event.
They kinda do this sometimes , when they did the Broken isles there were references and damage done to the coasts ect , I think Zandalar too was damaged, it lost the cities up north to it
Personally I don't think the body Xalatath inherited was insignificant or random and I think there is more to her story. She can shapeshift into anything and anyone so i feel she is partial to that body for a reason. Maybe the story is hinting at when she became an old god or that she died and was reborn as one through some means rather than just being a random corpse she found after leaving the blade. I think that's also why she is partial to Alleria, another elf woman wielding/infected with the power of the void and the old god blood. She may be trying to manipulate her down the same path as her, or wants her to become something more for personal reasons that arent necessarily related to plans of the old gods and we may find out in this expansion that they were "created" much like every other race
Do you think that the Arathi Empire is in Avaloren? There is also some thought now that they would not be that nice, as some of their people have suggested. I could see a huge empire of basically light fanatics, like the ones we got in the Priory of the Sacred Flame, who raise even their dead to serve.
Also curious... Why was a freshly elevated commander like Steelstrike entrusted with this mission ? One would assume the emperor would appoint someone with more experience with such an important task? Unless he saw something in her?
@@WarsmithThanatosor you know it was an exploratory expedition so the emperor didn’t want to send its strongest. Just because she was a new commander and a ~woman~ doesn’t mean she didn’t have previous experience. Probably because how dangerous the seas were the emperor didn’t what to lose a strong experienced commander before this world ending battle
My question is where is old Arathi? The history sets firmly in WoW range not W3 or some time before the game started. But by vanilla, the human kingdoms already evolved to the Alliance coalition when know today. Lorderon fell to the Undead. Gilneas built it's wall. The human kingdoms moved south to build Stormwind. Old Arathi should still be around like Kul Tiras, Dalaran and Gilneas.
you mean the original one from where they split? That's in the Arathi Highlands, Stromgarde Keep or Strom as it was called. Time hasn't been kind to them though as their other city states like Lordaeron became a much bigger political powerhouse.
Being disabled has nothing to do with it. Please don’t try to make it into a Woke radical left wing identity politics thing. That wasn’t Blizzard’s intention.
@DarthSidian Along side almost every prominent Earthen Character being a woman. Or almost every big storyline involving Bad man or old man stuck in his ways being replaced by a woman who somehow is better in every regard.
@@G13ULTRA Again it has nothing to do with your Woke ideology. You don’t see white men saying “OMG I love how white men are finally being given some representation ✊!” That’s your Woke ideology.
Interesting that they gave it a name that was similar to those of the Naaru ships. Maybe that 'flash of light' was it crashing/teleporting into Azeroth and the transport of the Arathi was completely accidental.
During the World Soul Saga, we work our way down, deeper into Azeroth. By the third installment, or maybe right after that, we reach the other side of Azeroth - where the Arathi are from.
I see Metzen's work is still yet to appear. I am starting to think he has been given a position without any actual power or authority to appease the players
fact checker: "some of the mages left" @08:21 wrong - there is only 1 mage apprentice - and he is actually dies if you do his quest. source: Wenren Althal -"The Last Mage of Hallowfall" resulting plotwhole: why can WE teleport a city to a place where noone of us have ever been (koordinates from magni where enough) but we cant teleport to Arathi Homeland? Jaina do something... just get some koordinates and we make portal. easy. conflicting information: Steelstrike says; (shortened for bravity) we where in a impassable strom and a lightflash teleported us to hallowfall @07:24 Capain´s chest (hallowfall in the sea 25,38): says: its our 9th day flying OVER Dorne. so did they reach Dorne before getting teleported and steelstrike is lying or is this maybe a previous fleet? and why didnt they use the coreway after flying around over the isle for 9 days? would have prevented the crash...
You know, i am fascinated with the Arathi, their lore and their overall design in TWW. However, i dont know how i feel about a large human empire suddenly plopping into Azeroth, one that has ties to Lordaeron but never showed up before. As was mentioned here already, we had at least to world shattering events in WoW - the Cataclysm und the Invasion of the Legion - and the Arathi empire with their arguably large fleet of airships never showed up to look around after. I hope they wont play the old "we were hidden behind an invisible barrier until recently"-card once again. I would very much prefer some kind of origin in a parallel universe, one were the kingdom of Arathor never fractured and formed the Arathi empire together with the elves of Quel Thalas.
I know this has little to do specifically with this lore, but having been doing editing for a bunch of newer writers recently, it's so weird seeing common mistakes that I make notes on show up in the finished WoW cutscenes. That one line from Tyr starts with "So" and then ends with "so be it." You'd just cross out that first So, it's unnecessary, etc. Or Anduin talking to Adelgonn around 0:38, you would reword that to not say 'help' twice, etc. I guess it just goes to show that editors are nitpicky and you can probably ignore us, I guess.
I honestly think Hallowfall has abit of time displacement. That crystal looks like the tip of Sargeras' sword. They are stuck in a cycle of light and darkness.
Faerin really proves people kneejerk on the girlboss/racism sometimes , she ended up being funny, kinda soft unsure, very inoffensive and is giving us crumbs for prob the plot after this trilogy too , shes a pretty good character and its kinda cool seeing people notice improvements in the writing, we are with a studio now whos unionized btw!
@@natey2290 I am very calm, you seem pretty agitated tough .... also, may I remind you that you are allowed to speak for yourself of course, but who voted you the WoW community president that you can speak for all WoW players?
hey, i think you might be wrong/misleading about the vrykul. The iron vrykul were made by the titans and once hit by the curse of flesh they turned into the fleshy vrykul we see in e.g. Howling Fjord. And yes humans come from vrykul because of the curse of flesh as well. I just think you are omitting the iron vrykul step in the process, that is all :* sorry about being this nitpicky :D i love you and your content so much
While we assume this Arathi Empire is from this Azeroth, because of the whole 'enveloped in a flash of light and just appearing' thing... they could be from anywhere or anytime.
Nobbel, I really wish that you'd use the in-game close-up look of Faeirn, not the cinematic version of her, she's but-ugly in that one. Or use the line up of Arathi soldiers.
No, the known Azeroth is only the northern hemisphere of one side of the planet. It is only 1/4th of Azeroth Based off of what (I think it was) Red Shirt Guy said at BlizzCon a few years ago.
You know what'd have me a whole lot less cynical about all of these brown and black characters with cornrows and afros? If Blizzard had actually done even the slightest bit of in-game explanation for any of these real-world-adjacent traits. An easy fix would've been to add Vrykul archaeology to all kinds of areas of Azeroth to portray how humanity's predecessors traveled the globe by longboat and created settlements in various climates instead of ham-fisting this tripe in for the representation angle and turning every third random NPC vaguely ethnic. Like that innkeeper in Stormwind, a lovely ginger dwarf lady that had those letters unfortunately rearranged. Why is it always gingers?
@@justinb7494 Back then we didn't know humanity's canonical origins, so it was fine to make up your own thing. Blizzard also didn't need to blather on about how representation matters in this game full of fantastical races like Orcs and Tauren and what have you, because none of that shite actually matters.
@@janein4498 Probably because Blizzard is pissing on our collective heads and telling us it's raining. The same company whose employees couldn't keep away from the tiddy milk fridge are now morally grandstanding about IdPol tripe that only serves to sow division.
Remember Faerin isn't a half-elf, but a half-orc. literally none of the other haflelves, that has ever been shown in wows story or in game, has never looked like she does, they have always had more elvish features than human. So that is way she is a hafl-orc instead.
@@mokarokas-1727 How can it be ragebait if it's true? should I talk about how she is a black, disabled, and raceswap of the existing lothar family lore. She is the definition of a character created to fill the checkboxes required to get that sweet sweet DEI/ESG yew money. only thing missing is her being part of the alphabet squad.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in antisemitism. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black people are ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in antisemitism. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black = ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in racial conspiracies. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black = ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
So is it just me or does it seem like we have have just met the next queen of Stormwind? Some of the looks and touches Faerin and Anduin share don’t seem entirely… friendly
still doesnt explain how "diverse character" black lothar exist, is she adopted? could she be erased from stormwind human records bc... its a branch of failure and shame? fuck, im justifying her extistente in a few words more than blizzard themselves
She and Anduin just share ancestor from a long long time ago but the family tree split at some point is all, someone married a black person, thats basically it , someone in the thousands of years married a black person, wether that side of the family is still royalty or no begs the question from the empire shes from , its seeds rn for a plot after this trilogy with the void is done im assumin
They belong to the same family but of branches separated by multiple centuries. TheAzeroth branch died with Anduin, while the neo-Arathorian one still exist, altought as fallen off nobility
Race mixing is a thing in WoW you know lol. She wouldn't be in the records because part of the Arathi Empire pissed off to the other side of the world after the war with the Trolls. So some Lothar's stayed on the Eastern Kingdoms, and others didn't.
eh, she isn't "woke" really, like I was expecting, she's just a crippled Paladin, and is pretty nice to everyone, easily the most humble character in the story.
@@GazingTrandoshanIdk about well written. She's got a lot of room for development but she's been pretty meh compared to other new characters like Dagran. Idk, I just expected a lot more out of her I guess. But she definitely isn't the dei woke nonsense people have been complaining since she was introduced.
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The big book in Mereldar has been deciphered and we got the year he sent them and his name,the emperor is Thoradin the 9th and he has sent them in the year of 342(they never experienced the dark portal so they probably never started counting from 1 and upwards.The text reads as follows.
"In the 342 ND year of glorious dominion his holy radiance Emperor Thoradin IX/9 by sovereign edicted the order in the assembly of The Hallowfall expedition to traverse the storming sea"
So the Hallowfall expedition is down there for thousand years or few decades ? Faerin was born on the surface ? How tf they build all settlements and big ass church in just a few years ?
@@tomaskalinka5679Well from what we get in quests and dialog they say its like 15 years ago but considering if the Emperor got the vision once Velen added Muru's refined essence in the Sunwell its been 26 years if im not mistaken TWW is taking place in year 41 ADP and ive seen people saying the Emperor got the vision in 15 ADP precisely at the events in TBC raid the Sunwell.
The reason the year might be 342 and year 15 ADP(After the Dark Portal) is because the arathi left thousands of years ago after the 1st Troll wars as Nobbel explains and they never started counting from 1 like people on Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms did after the opening of the porta.
Yeah people are bit sceptical how fast they settled in but they generally seem pretty advanced with all the flying ships so i wouldnt say its a stretch.
So they might have been there for 20+ years or like 15+ as dialog and quests suggest.
I wish we had Velen take a look at Beledar. I'm sure he'd give great insight on it.
If bro can pull up to stand in front of amirdrassil just to to watch us cut down some trees and one dragon, surely he can make it to the super holy light crystal.
I believe the piece of the Ashbringers crystal is a piece of Beladar. Both shift between light and shadow. The only piece missing is how it got to Mograine from blackrock spire. Regardless, I find it convenient that Anduins Shalamayne still has a missing light in the circular opening of the blade, perfect size for an Ashbringer like circle. Maybe if Anduin splits the blade, he would have one sword of light and one of void (to finally tap into the void that Anduin has used in side stories and in his hearthstone card). Even Magni, the man who forged the Ashbringer, is there.
Maybe the Arathi weren't sent to worship Beladar, but to use it to forge new weapons like the Ashbringer to fight the void. Think about it, if the Ashbringer did come from a piece of Beladar, and there happens to be a colony of Earthens who can craft, if Beladar was to be shattered and crumble, I can see a massive production line of forging Ashbringer like weapons.
See the issue with that is Beladar didn't start shifting between Light and Shadow until Sargeras stabbed Azeroth, and since the crystal to forge the Ashbringer was originally shadow the time frame doesn't add up.
Hallowfall is my favorite zone, mostly because I like the style, and my main is a paladin.
All we know is that these Arathi are the descendents of humans and high elves that left Arathor for the seas prior to Arathor fracturing. So >1200 years ago. Since then, they founded a new Arathi Empire in a location currently unknown to us. And the humans and elves mixed and interbred to the point where they are not separate races anymore. They're all one race, that is neither human nor elf, but a mix of traits of both races. HOPEFULLY with as much as we aided their expedition in Hallowfall, they will be our allies when we eventually meet them. The current human kingdoms and Quel'thalas are their very distant cousins after all.
Knowing our lovely light fanatics so well we will be attacked immediately... and anyone that sides with us will probably be heretics xD
Well the NPCs state that directly in dialog by saying we're not sure how the Empire is going to react to all the different races in the Horde and Alliance.
Then Anduin thinks to himself that the people in hallowfall are not that bad but who knows how the tables might turn once the whole fleet arrives.
Also its more like 2800 years ago since they say the mix of Elves and Humans leave to the Sea exactly after the 1st Troll wars that end 2800 years before the Dark Portal opening.The empire that existed 1200 years before the dark portal opening is the one that falls and forms the 7 human kingdoms.
The Arathi should eat the forbidden rock candy in the ceiling
Munch on the minerals, for they give strength!
The only thing I "dislike" about the Hallowfall storyline is how short a time they've apparently been down there. To build what they've built, and to develop such a strong culture that revolves around Beledar, it just needs more time to feel believable.
They been down here like, what? 15 to 20 years if quest dialogue etc are to be believed, that is just laughable.
It's one of my pet peeves when writers do this, because it's such an easy fix, there is no reason they could not have written it so they've been down there hundreds of years, they just didn't.
It reminds me of the movie Demolition Man :D It had the same sort of problem, more time needs to have passed for the story and setting to make any sense.
@@TheOdMan but then Faerin couldn't be the one to save the Flame
@zachburleson4733 could have just made it her ancestor. Hell they're basically all half-elves anyways so you could just play on the extended lifespan thing and just say it was her mom. Would change it from "she saved it" to "she saved it this time" but it's doable
@AssassinGTM I agree but do you think they don't want to give Faerin all the accolades to try and make her seem as cool as possible story be damned
It's one of those things I'll suspend my disbelief for, but I definitely noticed some of the structures would take an age. I hope you're right and it was 15-20 years, because I had the impression it was only 10. Still not realistic, but a little better. :)
@bluebell459 I don't think they're going with this but I had a thought that maybe they pushed a group of people out and took over. But they would've hinted at it somewhere. Yeah, flying through Hallowfall (absolutely love the aesthetic of the zone) I was thinking 20 years one mage and all these stone buildings. Hmmmmm
The hard part of executing a whole 'Empire from Across the Sea' storyline is the fact that you've set up so many world affecting events that they'd have to just... ignore or not notice.
I think they really need to think about a sort of meta-lore reason for why weird stuff just seems to keep appearing. If done well and vague enough it would at least lampshade the issues. Collapsing alternate timelines manifesting here or something...
I mean for all we know they could be well aware of certain events, we just won't know until we get there. Like I doubt they didn't notice a planet sized Satan looking guy stabbing the planet. That'd be pretty hard to ignore regardless of what side of the planet you're on lol.
@@justinb7494 There's lots of other things people have pointed out like... because of the weird teleporting of their whole fleet and bright light and whatnot, for all we know they're not even from the same Azeroth we are.
There is a disctinction between knowing of something happening and being able to do something about it.
For all we know, they fought the Burning Legion when they invaded just as hard as we did.
@@JoacinoDaGona My main theory so far is that while they are from Azeroth, it's not the same one we are from. Some alternate version maybe. They just sort of teleported in a flash from being on the ocean to underground, right? They could be from anywhere or anywhen...
It could be a Narru ship with several inside and the black blood released from Sargeras' sword is making their light/void cycle accelerate.
Arathi was my favourite faction
Xalatath is like Duran in Starcraft: an agent that have around for a long time
I wonder how the Arathi of Hallowfall would react if we told them we have met and spoken with Thoradin's ghost.
mereldar is the name of a lake in Eastern Plaguelands
i was doing a leveling challenge on my earthen where i level to 70 by only exploring (i did it after 5h!) and saw the name pop up. I didnt find much else in or around the lake.
With new Landmasses like these i always wonder: What about the World ending Threats? Like Cataclysm, Legion, N'Zoths release... as much as this is a minor point i think it should have been adressed because... you know its a World Wide Event.
They kinda do this sometimes , when they did the Broken isles there were references and damage done to the coasts ect , I think Zandalar too was damaged, it lost the cities up north to it
Personally I don't think the body Xalatath inherited was insignificant or random and I think there is more to her story. She can shapeshift into anything and anyone so i feel she is partial to that body for a reason. Maybe the story is hinting at when she became an old god or that she died and was reborn as one through some means rather than just being a random corpse she found after leaving the blade. I think that's also why she is partial to Alleria, another elf woman wielding/infected with the power of the void and the old god blood. She may be trying to manipulate her down the same path as her, or wants her to become something more for personal reasons that arent necessarily related to plans of the old gods and we may find out in this expansion that they were "created" much like every other race
Do you think that the Arathi Empire is in Avaloren?
There is also some thought now that they would not be that nice, as some of their people have suggested. I could see a huge empire of basically light fanatics, like the ones we got in the Priory of the Sacred Flame, who raise even their dead to serve.
Avaloren was a made up leak from a youtuber named Xaxxas. they have cool videos but i wouldnt take the avaloren leak too seriously
@@ian6053 No, Avaloren has been mentioned in books and research found in Dragonflight. Like Khaz Algar was.
Also curious... Why was a freshly elevated commander like Steelstrike entrusted with this mission ?
One would assume the emperor would appoint someone with more experience with such an important task? Unless he saw something in her?
Women can do anything, don't you know?
@@WarsmithThanatosor you know it was an exploratory expedition so the emperor didn’t want to send its strongest. Just because she was a new commander and a ~woman~ doesn’t mean she didn’t have previous experience. Probably because how dangerous the seas were the emperor didn’t what to lose a strong experienced commander before this world ending battle
My question is where is old Arathi? The history sets firmly in WoW range not W3 or some time before the game started. But by vanilla, the human kingdoms already evolved to the Alliance coalition when know today. Lorderon fell to the Undead. Gilneas built it's wall. The human kingdoms moved south to build Stormwind. Old Arathi should still be around like Kul Tiras, Dalaran and Gilneas.
you mean the original one from where they split? That's in the Arathi Highlands, Stromgarde Keep or Strom as it was called. Time hasn't been kind to them though as their other city states like Lordaeron became a much bigger political powerhouse.
As someone who is disabled, how they handled her was perfect. It's why hallowfall is my favorite zone. The lore in there is crazy good 👍
Being disabled has nothing to do with it. Please don’t try to make it into a Woke radical left wing identity politics thing.
That wasn’t Blizzard’s intention.
@@blake7587
It might not have been Metzen's intention, but the blue-haired interns and weirdos that he has to work with probably did intend for that
@@blake7587think he was just happy to have some representation in a video game he enjoys dude
@DarthSidian Along side almost every prominent Earthen Character being a woman. Or almost every big storyline involving Bad man or old man stuck in his ways being replaced by a woman who somehow is better in every regard.
@@G13ULTRA Again it has nothing to do with your Woke ideology.
You don’t see white men saying “OMG I love how white men are finally being given some representation ✊!”
That’s your Woke ideology.
These lore videos always hit the spot
You really are the man , never stop
Interesting that they gave it a name that was similar to those of the Naaru ships. Maybe that 'flash of light' was it crashing/teleporting into Azeroth and the transport of the Arathi was completely accidental.
anduin lothar died a long time ago in second war.
During the World Soul Saga, we work our way down, deeper into Azeroth. By the third installment, or maybe right after that, we reach the other side of Azeroth - where the Arathi are from.
So Xal'atath is the 1st female main antagonist of Wow. Lady Katrana Prestor is the very first antagonist or WoWarcraft.
Full circle ?
I see Metzen's work is still yet to appear. I am starting to think he has been given a position without any actual power or authority to appease the players
Eh I mean they all just unionized though so Idk if they can actually really do that
fact checker:
"some of the mages left" @08:21
wrong - there is only 1 mage apprentice - and he is actually dies if you do his quest.
source: Wenren Althal -"The Last Mage of Hallowfall"
resulting plotwhole: why can WE teleport a city to a place where noone of us have ever been (koordinates from magni where enough) but we cant teleport to Arathi Homeland? Jaina do something... just get some koordinates and we make portal. easy.
conflicting information:
Steelstrike says; (shortened for bravity) we where in a impassable strom and a lightflash teleported us to hallowfall @07:24
Capain´s chest (hallowfall in the sea 25,38): says: its our 9th day flying OVER Dorne.
so did they reach Dorne before getting teleported and steelstrike is lying or is this maybe a previous fleet?
and why didnt they use the coreway after flying around over the isle for 9 days? would have prevented the crash...
You know, i am fascinated with the Arathi, their lore and their overall design in TWW. However, i dont know how i feel about a large human empire suddenly plopping into Azeroth, one that has ties to Lordaeron but never showed up before. As was mentioned here already, we had at least to world shattering events in WoW - the Cataclysm und the Invasion of the Legion - and the Arathi empire with their arguably large fleet of airships never showed up to look around after. I hope they wont play the old "we were hidden behind an invisible barrier until recently"-card once again. I would very much prefer some kind of origin in a parallel universe, one were the kingdom of Arathor never fractured and formed the Arathi empire together with the elves of Quel Thalas.
Blizzard creative team spun the wheel of randomness and it landed on Arathi
So the “light” undead are called the “Arisen”. Interesting, very interesting indeed.
I know this has little to do specifically with this lore, but having been doing editing for a bunch of newer writers recently, it's so weird seeing common mistakes that I make notes on show up in the finished WoW cutscenes. That one line from Tyr starts with "So" and then ends with "so be it." You'd just cross out that first So, it's unnecessary, etc. Or Anduin talking to Adelgonn around 0:38, you would reword that to not say 'help' twice, etc.
I guess it just goes to show that editors are nitpicky and you can probably ignore us, I guess.
Arathi on Hallowfall? It is they who have been calling on the Light!
I honestly think Hallowfall has abit of time displacement. That crystal looks like the tip of Sargeras' sword. They are stuck in a cycle of light and darkness.
Faerin really proves people kneejerk on the girlboss/racism sometimes , she ended up being funny, kinda soft unsure, very inoffensive and is giving us crumbs for prob the plot after this trilogy too , shes a pretty good character and its kinda cool seeing people notice improvements in the writing, we are with a studio now whos unionized btw!
This new main character checks every DEI requirement imaginable.
ah yes, the two races, white and political. the two genders, male and political. the two sexualities, heterosexual and political.
Can a black person never ever have no arm now or else its DEI?? Can we just focus on the writing??? Drop this language man its clown shit
stay mad, the new lore is going hard and were all enjoying it while you sit there all angy in your feelings lol
@@natey2290 I am very calm, you seem pretty agitated tough .... also, may I remind you that you are allowed to speak for yourself of course, but who voted you the WoW community president that you can speak for all WoW players?
@@Zoddo lmao dude relax
There are a possibility we will have Lightbound situation all over again.
hey, i think you might be wrong/misleading about the vrykul. The iron vrykul were made by the titans and once hit by the curse of flesh they turned into the fleshy vrykul we see in e.g. Howling Fjord. And yes humans come from vrykul because of the curse of flesh as well. I just think you are omitting the iron vrykul step in the process, that is all :* sorry about being this nitpicky :D i love you and your content so much
How they explain their looks? Arathor was a Nordic kingdom but idk we have tan vikings now so everything seems possible I guees..
9:13"STUPID LIGHT" lololol
While we assume this Arathi Empire is from this Azeroth, because of the whole 'enveloped in a flash of light and just appearing' thing... they could be from anywhere or anytime.
Oh my gawd, I hope we lose! That will set up the next expansion so we'll, we will be fired up and ready for revenge
Nobbel, I really wish that you'd use the in-game close-up look of Faeirn, not the cinematic version of her, she's but-ugly in that one. Or use the line up of Arathi soldiers.
Racist.
@@eduj Really? That's your take? Even though I said she looks better in-game? Are you suffering from TDS?
No, the known Azeroth is only the northern hemisphere of one side of the planet. It is only 1/4th of Azeroth
Based off of what (I think it was) Red Shirt Guy said at BlizzCon a few years ago.
You should clarify that you're describing a theory and not established fact.
You know what'd have me a whole lot less cynical about all of these brown and black characters with cornrows and afros?
If Blizzard had actually done even the slightest bit of in-game explanation for any of these real-world-adjacent traits. An easy fix would've been to add Vrykul archaeology to all kinds of areas of Azeroth to portray how humanity's predecessors traveled the globe by longboat and created settlements in various climates instead of ham-fisting this tripe in for the representation angle and turning every third random NPC vaguely ethnic. Like that innkeeper in Stormwind, a lovely ginger dwarf lady that had those letters unfortunately rearranged. Why is it always gingers?
I mean, no one was complaining when humans could be black as far back as classic, soon as cornrows or locks were added it was suddenly an issue.
@@justinb7494 Back then we didn't know humanity's canonical origins, so it was fine to make up your own thing. Blizzard also didn't need to blather on about how representation matters in this game full of fantastical races like Orcs and Tauren and what have you, because none of that shite actually matters.
@@HiddenEvilStudios Why are you so mad if it doesnt matter?
@@janein4498 Probably because Blizzard is pissing on our collective heads and telling us it's raining. The same company whose employees couldn't keep away from the tiddy milk fridge are now morally grandstanding about IdPol tripe that only serves to sow division.
I really shouldnt have looked at the comments....
7:02 That sounds way too much like Netenyahu's fantasies. It turned me off when I heard it. They're like lightoists.
Remember Faerin isn't a half-elf, but a half-orc. literally none of the other haflelves, that has ever been shown in wows story or in game, has never looked like she does, they have always had more elvish features than human. So that is way she is a hafl-orc instead.
Bad ragebait, even the actual racists "criticizing" Faerin don't say this bs. lol
@@mokarokas-1727 How can it be ragebait if it's true? should I talk about how she is a black, disabled, and raceswap of the existing lothar family lore. She is the definition of a character created to fill the checkboxes required to get that sweet sweet DEI/ESG yew money. only thing missing is her being part of the alphabet squad.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in antisemitism. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black people are ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in antisemitism. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black = ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
@@aomforever See? You're going too far, even throwing in racial conspiracies. Nobody is going to take you seriously. =') Also weird to go from "black = ugly orcs" to suddenly try to make lore arguments. You're bad at this.
Was looking at Alexstrasza's character model on wowhead, some of them look really funny when they are played on her. =)
I see arathi lore, I click.
So is it just me or does it seem like we have have just met the next queen of Stormwind? Some of the looks and touches Faerin and Anduin share don’t seem entirely… friendly
Why not have both Faerin AND Taelia?
still doesnt explain how "diverse character" black lothar exist, is she adopted? could she be erased from stormwind human records bc... its a branch of failure and shame? fuck, im justifying her extistente in a few words more than blizzard themselves
She and Anduin just share ancestor from a long long time ago but the family tree split at some point is all, someone married a black person, thats basically it , someone in the thousands of years married a black person, wether that side of the family is still royalty or no begs the question from the empire shes from , its seeds rn for a plot after this trilogy with the void is done im assumin
They belong to the same family but of branches separated by multiple centuries. TheAzeroth branch died with Anduin, while the neo-Arathorian one still exist, altought as fallen off nobility
Race mixing is a thing in WoW you know lol. She wouldn't be in the records because part of the Arathi Empire pissed off to the other side of the world after the war with the Trolls. So some Lothar's stayed on the Eastern Kingdoms, and others didn't.
Anduin and Faerin ship?
Is 1k years enough for dna to split up? I figure they are basically at this point like how theres a few people with the same last name but unrelated
@@GazingTrandoshan Our Anduin is a Wrynn, not a Lothar...
I mean hey, he's got two options now so why not go full on poly?
I find the semi-crippled Miles Morales insert to be kinda funny lol
Shhh were not allowed to talk about it unless it's praise
@@ZachFL
Lol!
Blizzard isn't gonna care about one naysayer
@DarthSidian I mean it's not one naysayer but continue on. And it grows every single day we get told it's not an issue and we're just bigots.
erm it’s a black person therefore it must be a political statement 🤓👆
@@ZachFL
Yeah, we're just bigots for not liking shoehorned story elements lol
I'm a fair bit behind leveling, so I'll be unsubscribing until I'm done with all the zones... please no spoilers in the title
Black woman hero 🥱
eh, she isn't "woke" really, like I was expecting, she's just a crippled Paladin, and is pretty nice to everyone, easily the most humble character in the story.
Shes written well man, dont be racist actually foreal lol
@@GazingTrandoshanIdk about well written. She's got a lot of room for development but she's been pretty meh compared to other new characters like Dagran. Idk, I just expected a lot more out of her I guess. But she definitely isn't the dei woke nonsense people have been complaining since she was introduced.
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People still play this game?