That cinematic where Illidan rejects the light is my favorite scene in all of Warcraft "There can be no chosen ONE, only WE can save ourselves." So damn good. I am deliciously eager for more "the light has gone too far" stuff. 🤩
I think the light has been coopted by the titans or some malignant force. It cheapens everything in wrath and some stuff in wc3 and ruins it if the light is just some evil controlling force of the cosmos. The light needs to have a good side. For characters like Tirion. Imagine learning 15 years later that Tirion was just a man blinded by the light, a weak and deceived person. LAME.
@@Ryytikki I'm constantly hesitating if I should quote that line to my friend who has borderline and quite scarred arms. She likes morbid and self deprecating humor, but I would have to explain the joke and that always somewhat ruins the joke
If the Arathi are going to join the final battle between light and void like their emperor said then Beledar is going to help them travel to Quel Thalas and when the time comes back home to their empire. So Beledar might be the next neutral player hub in midnight.
@@pamdabeepSilvermoon was an Alliance allied city for millenia and it's been Horde for less than 20 years. And if it wasn't because you can't change a race faction on the fly on an mmo, it would have returned to been Alliance in mop.
@@Krulfarthe alliance as we know it hasnt existed for very long. You are however right in that the high elves of quel thalas were allied with lordaeron humans for a while. Lord Garithos made sure that ended
@@petty6260 not only lordaeron humans and not only for a while. They've been allies since almost three thousand years ago, the era of Arathor and the troll wars. Elves joining the Horde never made sense, it was just an excuse to have a pretty race on the Horde. And even after that, there are still plenty of high elves that are allies of the Alliance and Silvermoon is still their home city.
@@Krulfar Not my problem, chief. Silvermoon is horde now and no amount of "b-but high elves!!!!" bs will make me tolerate alliance stinking up one of our capitals.
I thought for sure given that the Paladin set is named "of the entombed Seraph" it was pretty much a nod to Beledar having something inside of it like a Naaru.
Salandria is the Blood Elf child we take for a tour in Children’s week who the bronze dragon guards attack for something she may or may not do in the future. Wonder what she’ll get up to and if Dornaa will play a role too.
Im of the idea that these crystals are "old god equivalent" of the light trying to influence world souls, where they throw them at the cosmos and they land on planets. Not that they are sentient like old gods but they serve the same general purpose. And when the titans found them they got mistaken by it thinking its azerite because it was already influenced by the worldsoul and vice versa I dont even think the titans are lying this time, they are just wrong
If there is a Naaru inside (which would explain the void-shifting), they would be sentient and the parallel between them and the old gods is pretty stark indeed.
The storyline of the Arathi Expedition offers so much potential for future storylines and where they could go! Indeed the storyline of all of the three factions, Arathi, Earthen and Nerubians do. The Harronir are the mysterious one ...
If 10.1 is Undermine, it'd be awesome if the new "mini" zone introduced in 10.1.5 was the ceiling of Hallowfall. You could use teleportation, magic, upheaval, or w/e your preferred flavor is to add stuff there and change gravity. Imagine a scenario where how you get there is by just flying up and the screen flips on you
16:02 - "Yrel's turn to darkness" - With both Yrel and now with the Arathi, players keep mistakenly thinking that a person fighting at our side is actually *on* our side. No matter how sympathetic their backstory, or how helpful they are to our favorite NPC Priest, we can't assume they won't turn on us the second their Faith declares us enemies. We're on Azeroth's side, not the Light, and we'll end up fighting Naru as much as we've had to conflict with Old Gods previously. Only difference is that the mind games the Light will play on us might hit closer to home.
One over-arching problem here, if it is a Naaru ship, as it does follow the appearance and naming convention, great - but then how do they know to call it Beledar if they don't know what it is?
What if it's not just a ship but the heart crystal of some gigantic Naaru? It would explain the crystal fragments everywhere and the other big crystal chunks stated by Archaedas. Back in Legion we had to reform X'era using her core piece 'light's heart' which also fell to earth on Azeroth. The concept of a radiant song also ties in nicely with how Naaru communicate going back to how we were introduced to A'dal for instance.
Theory of Beledar being AU Yrel’s ship dimension/time hopping into Azeroth either too early in the planet’s growth or just physically off by miles have been around since the expac started
I think "Not retconning themsevles after two weeks" has a key issue with it: It's not that they're retconning something from two weeks ago. They're retconning something that was baked into the art design of The War Within, but that ended up not being the direction they're going anymore. It's an after-the-fact change from what Beledar was designed and concepted as to what it is now. This would fit with the datamining about Goblins and Ethereals, too, if Beledar just... doesn't ever get used again, unlike the original plan of it being a raid or a dungeon. We know from Metzen that changes were made during design when it became a three expansion saga, after all. This stuff is doing a lot of work to explain why Beledar is what it is, but why it also may well not be important for where the story is going. RE: Xe'ra and divides within the light - recall that Z'rali makes it clear in Shadowlands that she would be destroyed by the other Naaru as "tainted" if she were to go back.
@@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io - Its not really titan propaganda though; its delivered as a personal log entry from Archaedus, would be highly odd for someone to be making log entries with the intent of misleading some random reader multiple millennia later on. Likely what Bellular said in the vid, that Beledar was overlooked by the Titans at the time as just another piece of crystalized world soul because it wasnt something they were familiar with; not to mention the Titans themselves may not have been aware of it and it was the Keepers and Watchers who came across it and had even less understanding of things than the Titans themselves.
@@Shaabhekh The titans gaslight themsleves, they change language. A great example of this is that titans don't considered anything that hasn't been ordered to have yet been created, So if they come across a world full of life, they will say they created it once they have ordered it. I do agree that they probably just ignored the crystal, they didn't care to look into it to a great extent.
I wonder if Beledar (and similar light crystals on Azeroth) were originally meteorites sent by the cosmic force of the Light, maybe even before the Old Gods landed on Azeroth. Maybe Azeroth herself is deemed so powerful because she's been imbued with the powers of several cosmic forces.
why do people keep saying the 'other end' of beledar is on another filler island? even geographically if you put the underground map and isle of dorn map together its under the huge mountain behind dornogal, a mountain where we quest and find out that the earhten couldnt mine through AT ALL and where dorns sister went mad or something? Its stated multiple times they shouldnt go near the mountain or mine it its literally 'the other side' of beledar
@ it doesnt but the illustrated maps always hint to that, we just had the perfectly good place to plant a tree in dragonflight that people speculated since we saw the maps. And theres also the many references to that mountain as something forbidden, we are in an expansion full with mining and “delves” and whatever and it says (and also you can see yourself) that the mountain cannot and should not be mined, every open mine around is collapsed. The in-game measurements dont make sense anyway cuz its too big but the purposefully illustrated maps do and that is intentional, thats why we also speculate about the “rootlands” being cozy in west of azj-kahet, technically under the freywold from the surface.
(Arcording to Archaedeus) They couldn't finish the coreway because they couldn't mine through Bel'edar and other worldsoul essence chunks. Is that somewhere in that mountain they can't mine through? Or are those two different places?
@ thats the mountain it says they cant mine through. Theres also a quest with brinthe and dagran and she feels “distraught” saying they cannot be on this mountain and doesnt know why. Its near an abandoned earthen post near a collapsed tunnel with a titan construct pieces. You can look around the whole mountain and see all the mines are abandoned and collapsed.
@@Rougesteelproject i cant find the exact quest but this is from wiki: “Brinthe revealed that the signal matched one originating from a location behind Dornogal, a place where the earthen were forbidden to go. A force-likely of titan origin-prevented the earthen from investigating this small portion of the island. Believing the discovery could hold the "key," both literally and figuratively, to unlocking the secrets there, Brinthe, Dagran, and the adventurer accompanying them traveled to the forbidden area.[8] Their investigation revealed ancient notes and records of an earthen uprising against the Watchers Dornic and Galan long ago, as well as hints of something else important hidden deep in the mountains.”
It didn't. They went there because that's where the Chamber of the Heart is located and they wanted to try to use it to communicate with Azeroth. Then Azeroth showed Magni a vision of Khaz Algar.
For this patch, I'm looking forward to the new holiday rewards. They look great. Also looking forward to the knowledge points respec option once it is released.
Imagine if the Naaru teamed up with the Y'rel's army, the Vindicaar/Lightforged, the more extreme wing of the Arathi and a renewed Scarlet Crusade, and then Turalyon was just like "Sorry Alleria but the Light is cookin" and he switches sides, and then the Light just fuckin invades Azeroth?
Very interesting. Totally forgot about Ohsu'gan, might have to take a pilgrimage there later on. Definitely getting Army of Light vibes when listening to you explain things in the video; makes me wonder what Yrel is up to and if we'll see her and her AoL during the Saga? Also sets up the Arathi Empire to be 'bad guys' too, which, kinda sucks, but from whats been explained, makes sense thus far.
What if, by goblin or our shenaniganry in the upcoming patches, Beledar falls into the ocean under it, creating eternal darkness in Hallowfall since light can't reach the surface. would be an awefull lot of midnight going on if that where to happen, eh?
The idea of cosmic forces actually existing in combinations makes more sense of Shadowlands, as that place makes absolutely no sense as just a realm of death. What would make more sense (though not completely) is if it was order's realm of death. But if that ends up being the case it would be a retcon, as that clearly wasn't their original intention for the place.
I don't think the Codex was ever supposed to be "cool it on the cosmic theories". It was pretty clearly meant to expand on what there was and show how the titans are oversimplifying things in their quest for order.
This is one of those cases were one thing does not preclude the other. There's a book that explains the Song of Renilash, and it refers to the Arathi forming an Aegis shield, a "wall, built with the living rock of titans, bore the weight of the conflict." Beledar was implied to be a chunk of solidifed worldsoul material, if they convert it to a ship, it will "bear their weight" into the conflict and be a powerful weapon. Nothing says Naaru could not have used crystallised worldsoul chunks from other planets to create their ships. Those bigass crystals came from somewhere, I don't think the naaru just willed them into existence. A lot of original Chronicle has been of questionable canonicity these days, so I don't know how much stock I put into the "shards of light" thing, but if it is true, it also does not preclude the other. We know that Azeroth is especially... Absorbent. It absorbed it's own spirit element that most other worlds have, who's to say Beledar isn't a worldsoul chunk that absorbed the light that came from those shards, thus explaining it's combination of both light and arcane?
I am unfamiliar with the Y'rel lore but maybe alt dreanor & her zealotry draws some interesting parallels with Beledar, hallowfall & the events at the priory
So, today I found y purple (epic) Cloak of Coordination, that i keep around for the SW hearth. I found it today in the item restore section of Blizzard support. Funny thing it said it was sold today. even though I hadn't purposely sold a thing out of any of my bags. Tis a good thing I checked the item restoration.
I think the ships aren't the shards. The ships are devices for launching the shards. The shards being those four, well, shards that orbit the ship. Meaning the Beledar wasn't meant to be embedded into the planet. It crashed there. Whether it was before or after the launching of the shards is another question. What could be happening is that the crystal on the island is not the other end of Beledar, but instead one of those shards.
Also, if you go off the coast of the church, there is a buncha downed airships in the water, there is also a captains chest near on them on the far side, opposite the church, the log talks about mutiny on the ships, and the ships are down in the water, broken up. Another puzzling piece of the Arathi.
I suspect that Beledar probably is just a crystal of light that is the same that made the dimensional ships (it may or may not also be a ship already, but that may be meaningless). Given how long it likely has been there, if the Keepers found it, they probably mistook it for a piece of the world soul that had crystalized because it had already influenced the world soul enough to blend in. After all, it's not like the Titans and the keepers had a control version of Azeroth's world soul from before they arrived. As well, I think what is being hinted at is how powerful Azeroth really is. The commentary about mixing of elements being more stable than a single element, and the number of elements fighting over Azeroth and trying to put their energy into the world soul has made Azeroth have an influence of... basically everything. A tug of war between the extreme ends that may simply be making Azeroth stronger. The important part will be who has just enough influence over Azeroth to aim her once she awakens... or if they all fail to do so and Azeroth goes independent. Given how we're seeing light wielders not on our side once more, an independent Azeroth might well be what the players will wind up fighting for... and possibly alongside.
The crystal on the island is way too small to be the other end of Beledar. Talk of the firelands and light and such. I'd still really like to see a uncorrupted Ragnaros return, basically the Hearthstone variety where he's a paladin, maybe serve as Azeroth's right hand general when she awakens. Be some neat play through with the dark irons too. Both kinda redeeemed.
So I think I know the origin of beledar's name, with the bele potentially coming from a hindi term "Beleguered' now this seems like a stretch until you look up the definition which basically refers to "experiencing a lot of difficulties, opposition and criticism" and what do we know about beledar? 🤔
so saying for the 10th time, is azeroth going to emerge in the end and say 'i'm strong cause I'm made up of all planes of magic not because I only adhere to one'
I know everyone in-game is pointing to Beledar's voidstate being caused by Sargeras stabbing Azeroth but what if Xera's death caused Beledar to shift. X'era is the prime N'aru so shouldn't it get the biggest and brightest ship? She seemed like such a big character to die within a patch cycle and gives Illidan some beef when he gets back with Sargeras's knowledge or maybe a more understanding Sargeras.
Wait, so is it crazy predicting that Azeroth is going to be the stable coalesence of all the pure energy types? Like an avatar of stability, since all the energies are vying for dominance. Who's to say they wont all succeed in some way?
Was this video made before sirens song position and map were shown? It literally has the top of beladar in the correct position on the map poking out. Doing a song, a sirens song
Nothing shows the top of beledar. There's a very small crystal in a cavern that sings/hums that is another of the "calcified world soul essence" if that's even what they are.
@@Platxx You talking about the big piece of Azerite they were mining before it exploded? That's not the crystal. It's in a cave with valkyr statues and a skeleton sitting in front of it.
Right, this time you've actually come to a lot of the same conclusions I did (not all). But be a little careful with headcanons. Like, you say several times the Titans are infusing Azeroth with arcane. That's what we almost all believe. That the Titans are ordering Azeroth, not just physically, but in essence. But it's not been presented yet. Even Acclimation can just be interpreted as "making suited for habitation".
Beledar went dark WAY WAY before the Sargeras hit Azeroth with its blade there is one questline and i think even a book that says that beledar was dark way before the arathi were even there. It was a quest i think from the neruber.
They aren't stable at all. Which is why they flip. The only stable naaru is the one in the priest hall. It has forsaken the light and the void. Chooses to be neither.
Forget what they titant said. Calcified essence of the world soul perfectly symmetrical with rune? Right, and im a 2 headed unicorn on rollers. My head canon wish it would be the light force equivelent to the old gods. Just like the void lords drew together their power to send out old gods into the universe, naaru did the same in a race to corrupt the planets with their respective force.
Agreed. Huge, born for battle reptilian humanoids controlled by an addiction to a substance only created by their far weaker but more cunning leaders. That is the order of things.
8:41 ever since I learned that the well of eternity was in actuality a wound, I can’t help but feel like the trolls-turned-night elves that were drawn to it were akin to maggots festering on a flesh wound. 🥴🫠
The Arathi Emperor will come to take his rightful lands & kingdoms as the one true king & ruler over humans, then the High Elves who have no longer a Royal bloodline. "The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness." The Whispers have many answers & many means, there is no true one answer or meaning.
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Genedar, Beledar, Vindicar, Bellular
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And if you click the "Translate to English" button under this comment, you'll see the proper English spelling of Vindicar. 🤦
Don't forget the Xenedar.
It all makes sense now.
That cinematic where Illidan rejects the light is my favorite scene in all of Warcraft "There can be no chosen ONE, only WE can save ourselves." So damn good. I am deliciously eager for more "the light has gone too far" stuff. 🤩
I think the light has been coopted by the titans or some malignant force. It cheapens everything in wrath and some stuff in wc3 and ruins it if the light is just some evil controlling force of the cosmos. The light needs to have a good side. For characters like Tirion. Imagine learning 15 years later that Tirion was just a man blinded by the light, a weak and deceived person. LAME.
"I AM MY SCARS" is the most beautifully cheesy line in the entire game, i want more of it
@@Ryytikki absolutely! Moar! MOAR! 😁
@@Ryytikki I'm constantly hesitating if I should quote that line to my friend who has borderline and quite scarred arms. She likes morbid and self deprecating humor, but I would have to explain the joke and that always somewhat ruins the joke
@@hobosnake1 good and bad are everywhere and that's exactly what's WoW about
The priory music is so fucking good
Beledar is not a mere chunk of azerite - And do not trust titan propaganda
You are a mere chunk
You are braindwashed by pyro or acco
It was a far better story before modern Blizz decided to retcon literally EVERYTHING related to the Titans…
Titans are like politics.
@@phantom0456I disagree. And that's ok. 😊
If the Arathi are going to join the final battle between light and void like their emperor said then Beledar is going to help them travel to Quel Thalas and when the time comes back home to their empire. So Beledar might be the next neutral player hub in midnight.
As long as it isn't silvermoon. I don't want alliance filth in my city.
@@pamdabeepSilvermoon was an Alliance allied city for millenia and it's been Horde for less than 20 years. And if it wasn't because you can't change a race faction on the fly on an mmo, it would have returned to been Alliance in mop.
@@Krulfarthe alliance as we know it hasnt existed for very long.
You are however right in that the high elves of quel thalas were allied with lordaeron humans for a while.
Lord Garithos made sure that ended
@@petty6260 not only lordaeron humans and not only for a while. They've been allies since almost three thousand years ago, the era of Arathor and the troll wars. Elves joining the Horde never made sense, it was just an excuse to have a pretty race on the Horde. And even after that, there are still plenty of high elves that are allies of the Alliance and Silvermoon is still their home city.
@@Krulfar Not my problem, chief. Silvermoon is horde now and no amount of "b-but high elves!!!!" bs will make me tolerate alliance stinking up one of our capitals.
Way too many Naruu vessels crash land...
Cause Draenei can't drive for shit.
seems they solved space flight but not planet landing
@@jore5725they worked out how to go up, and when it came to coming back down they said “fuck it, we’ll wing it.”
Have you seen the ships in Outland? These things aren’t built to land x)
@@Ghostalking indeed they made to float
I thought for sure given that the Paladin set is named "of the entombed Seraph" it was pretty much a nod to Beledar having something inside of it like a Naaru.
Your videos actually make me care about the game's story more (I don't read any of the in-game books). Thanks!
Salandria is the Blood Elf child we take for a tour in Children’s week who the bronze dragon guards attack for something she may or may not do in the future. Wonder what she’ll get up to and if Dornaa will play a role too.
Im of the idea that these crystals are "old god equivalent" of the light trying to influence world souls, where they throw them at the cosmos and they land on planets. Not that they are sentient like old gods but they serve the same general purpose. And when the titans found them they got mistaken by it thinking its azerite because it was already influenced by the worldsoul and vice versa
I dont even think the titans are lying this time, they are just wrong
THIS!!
I so think it's their way of "infecting" the planet too!
If there is a Naaru inside (which would explain the void-shifting), they would be sentient and the parallel between them and the old gods is pretty stark indeed.
The storyline of the Arathi Expedition offers so much potential for future storylines and where they could go!
Indeed the storyline of all of the three factions, Arathi, Earthen and Nerubians do. The Harronir are the mysterious one ...
If 10.1 is Undermine, it'd be awesome if the new "mini" zone introduced in 10.1.5 was the ceiling of Hallowfall. You could use teleportation, magic, upheaval, or w/e your preferred flavor is to add stuff there and change gravity. Imagine a scenario where how you get there is by just flying up and the screen flips on you
16:02 - "Yrel's turn to darkness" - With both Yrel and now with the Arathi, players keep mistakenly thinking that a person fighting at our side is actually *on* our side. No matter how sympathetic their backstory, or how helpful they are to our favorite NPC Priest, we can't assume they won't turn on us the second their Faith declares us enemies. We're on Azeroth's side, not the Light, and we'll end up fighting Naru as much as we've had to conflict with Old Gods previously. Only difference is that the mind games the Light will play on us might hit closer to home.
One over-arching problem here, if it is a Naaru ship, as it does follow the appearance and naming convention, great - but then how do they know to call it Beledar if they don't know what it is?
Because it spoke to them, and drew them in. Uhhhh duuuhhhh
@@tylermcnally8232Correct, though the "duuuhhhh" was a little much. It's easy to miss context in this game if you aren't paying attention.
I hated history in school but can't get enough wow history from you! Amazing stuff!
What if it's not just a ship but the heart crystal of some gigantic Naaru? It would explain the crystal fragments everywhere and the other big crystal chunks stated by Archaedas. Back in Legion we had to reform X'era using her core piece 'light's heart' which also fell to earth on Azeroth. The concept of a radiant song also ties in nicely with how Naaru communicate going back to how we were introduced to A'dal for instance.
I still wanna believe Beledar is one of the five "ancient suns" that attacked Pandaria, or an Apexis dimensional ship
I think Azeroth is the Titan of Free Choice and as such secures the mortals free choice while all the cosmic powers want to dominate and rule.
Theory of Beledar being AU Yrel’s ship dimension/time hopping into Azeroth either too early in the planet’s growth or just physically off by miles have been around since the expac started
I think "Not retconning themsevles after two weeks" has a key issue with it: It's not that they're retconning something from two weeks ago. They're retconning something that was baked into the art design of The War Within, but that ended up not being the direction they're going anymore. It's an after-the-fact change from what Beledar was designed and concepted as to what it is now.
This would fit with the datamining about Goblins and Ethereals, too, if Beledar just... doesn't ever get used again, unlike the original plan of it being a raid or a dungeon. We know from Metzen that changes were made during design when it became a three expansion saga, after all. This stuff is doing a lot of work to explain why Beledar is what it is, but why it also may well not be important for where the story is going.
RE: Xe'ra and divides within the light - recall that Z'rali makes it clear in Shadowlands that she would be destroyed by the other Naaru as "tainted" if she were to go back.
It's not a retcon. It's titan propaganda.
@@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io Which has already been setup in the game to be a thing.
@@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io - Its not really titan propaganda though; its delivered as a personal log entry from Archaedus, would be highly odd for someone to be making log entries with the intent of misleading some random reader multiple millennia later on. Likely what Bellular said in the vid, that Beledar was overlooked by the Titans at the time as just another piece of crystalized world soul because it wasnt something they were familiar with; not to mention the Titans themselves may not have been aware of it and it was the Keepers and Watchers who came across it and had even less understanding of things than the Titans themselves.
@@Shaabhekh The titans gaslight themsleves, they change language. A great example of this is that titans don't considered anything that hasn't been ordered to have yet been created, So if they come across a world full of life, they will say they created it once they have ordered it. I do agree that they probably just ignored the crystal, they didn't care to look into it to a great extent.
I wonder if Beledar (and similar light crystals on Azeroth) were originally meteorites sent by the cosmic force of the Light, maybe even before the Old Gods landed on Azeroth.
Maybe Azeroth herself is deemed so powerful because she's been imbued with the powers of several cosmic forces.
This is where my brain has been going.
One thing to consider, maybe the Naru don’t build their ships, maybe they are carved out of shards like this.
Hearthstone just released an Xpac and introduced Draenei as a minion type. They also added a keyword: Starship.
why do people keep saying the 'other end' of beledar is on another filler island? even geographically if you put the underground map and isle of dorn map together its under the huge mountain behind dornogal, a mountain where we quest and find out that the earhten couldnt mine through AT ALL and where dorns sister went mad or something? Its stated multiple times they shouldnt go near the mountain or mine it
its literally 'the other side' of beledar
Game Scale does not equal world scale....
@ it doesnt but the illustrated maps always hint to that, we just had the perfectly good place to plant a tree in dragonflight that people speculated since we saw the maps.
And theres also the many references to that mountain as something forbidden, we are in an expansion full with mining and “delves” and whatever and it says (and also you can see yourself) that the mountain cannot and should not be mined, every open mine around is collapsed.
The in-game measurements dont make sense anyway cuz its too big but the purposefully illustrated maps do and that is intentional, thats why we also speculate about the “rootlands” being cozy in west of azj-kahet, technically under the freywold from the surface.
(Arcording to Archaedeus) They couldn't finish the coreway because they couldn't mine through Bel'edar and other worldsoul essence chunks. Is that somewhere in that mountain they can't mine through? Or are those two different places?
@ thats the mountain it says they cant mine through. Theres also a quest with brinthe and dagran and she feels “distraught” saying they cannot be on this mountain and doesnt know why. Its near an abandoned earthen post near a collapsed tunnel with a titan construct pieces. You can look around the whole mountain and see all the mines are abandoned and collapsed.
@@Rougesteelproject i cant find the exact quest but this is from wiki:
“Brinthe revealed that the signal matched one originating from a location behind Dornogal, a place where the earthen were forbidden to go. A force-likely of titan origin-prevented the earthen from investigating this small portion of the island. Believing the discovery could hold the "key," both literally and figuratively, to unlocking the secrets there, Brinthe, Dagran, and the adventurer accompanying them traveled to the forbidden area.[8] Their investigation revealed ancient notes and records of an earthen uprising against the Watchers Dornic and Galan long ago, as well as hints of something else important hidden deep in the mountains.”
Did i miss why the radiant song dragged everyone to the sword in silithus?
It didn't. They went there because that's where the Chamber of the Heart is located and they wanted to try to use it to communicate with Azeroth. Then Azeroth showed Magni a vision of Khaz Algar.
For this patch, I'm looking forward to the new holiday rewards. They look great. Also looking forward to the knowledge points respec option once it is released.
should have called ot beladay and beladark
Imagine if the Naaru teamed up with the Y'rel's army, the Vindicaar/Lightforged, the more extreme wing of the Arathi and a renewed Scarlet Crusade, and then Turalyon was just like "Sorry Alleria but the Light is cookin" and he switches sides, and then the Light just fuckin invades Azeroth?
Videos like this make the game better, we owe yiy guys a lot.
Ever since I noticed runic patterns on Beledar, I knew it was a ship, rather than just some crystal. I bet there is a bipolar Na'ru in there too
Sunwell remaster?
Very interesting. Totally forgot about Ohsu'gan, might have to take a pilgrimage there later on. Definitely getting Army of Light vibes when listening to you explain things in the video; makes me wonder what Yrel is up to and if we'll see her and her AoL during the Saga? Also sets up the Arathi Empire to be 'bad guys' too, which, kinda sucks, but from whats been explained, makes sense thus far.
Has everyone forgotten about Tyr? Its like we spent an entire expansion trying to wake him up only for him to.... huh?
Genedar, Vindicar, Exodar, Beledar, Bellular. It cannot be a coincidence. There is obviously a connection.
What if, by goblin or our shenaniganry in the upcoming patches, Beledar falls into the ocean under it, creating eternal darkness in Hallowfall since light can't reach the surface.
would be an awefull lot of midnight going on if that where to happen, eh?
The tsunami would kill them all anyways. Also the ocean above would drain down in filling the caverns killing them all anyways.
The idea of cosmic forces actually existing in combinations makes more sense of Shadowlands, as that place makes absolutely no sense as just a realm of death. What would make more sense (though not completely) is if it was order's realm of death. But if that ends up being the case it would be a retcon, as that clearly wasn't their original intention for the place.
I don't think the Codex was ever supposed to be "cool it on the cosmic theories". It was pretty clearly meant to expand on what there was and show how the titans are oversimplifying things in their quest for order.
This is one of those cases were one thing does not preclude the other. There's a book that explains the Song of Renilash, and it refers to the Arathi forming an Aegis shield, a "wall, built with the living rock of titans, bore the weight of the conflict." Beledar was implied to be a chunk of solidifed worldsoul material, if they convert it to a ship, it will "bear their weight" into the conflict and be a powerful weapon. Nothing says Naaru could not have used crystallised worldsoul chunks from other planets to create their ships. Those bigass crystals came from somewhere, I don't think the naaru just willed them into existence. A lot of original Chronicle has been of questionable canonicity these days, so I don't know how much stock I put into the "shards of light" thing, but if it is true, it also does not preclude the other. We know that Azeroth is especially... Absorbent. It absorbed it's own spirit element that most other worlds have, who's to say Beledar isn't a worldsoul chunk that absorbed the light that came from those shards, thus explaining it's combination of both light and arcane?
The raid on Beledar must be so fucking cool
I am unfamiliar with the Y'rel lore but maybe alt dreanor & her zealotry draws some interesting parallels with Beledar, hallowfall & the events at the priory
Probably, I mean even Telaamon who is considered a war hero for the alliance was saying stuff that'd have been right at home alongside Yrel.
So, today I found y purple (epic) Cloak of Coordination, that i keep around for the SW hearth. I found it today in the item restore section of Blizzard support. Funny thing it said it was sold today. even though I hadn't purposely sold a thing out of any of my bags. Tis a good thing I checked the item restoration.
I think the ships aren't the shards. The ships are devices for launching the shards. The shards being those four, well, shards that orbit the ship. Meaning the Beledar wasn't meant to be embedded into the planet. It crashed there. Whether it was before or after the launching of the shards is another question. What could be happening is that the crystal on the island is not the other end of Beledar, but instead one of those shards.
How does 11.0.7 and the crystal found in the Siren Isles fit into this? Looking at the image of Beledar 13:05, it could be one of the smaller shards?
Yup, it's just a smaller shard.
We saw an island with Black Empire buildings surrounding a Naaru crystal.
Im still convinced wow writers watch bellular theory crafting videos then take the story in the direction of his ideas they like.
The more WoW continues, the more it’s cosmology and lore matches Forgotten Realms
The titans and their keepers have been wrong before, but Beledar might be a combination of many things.
Also, if you go off the coast of the church, there is a buncha downed airships in the water, there is also a captains chest near on them on the far side, opposite the church, the log talks about mutiny on the ships, and the ships are down in the water, broken up. Another puzzling piece of the Arathi.
I suspect that Beledar probably is just a crystal of light that is the same that made the dimensional ships (it may or may not also be a ship already, but that may be meaningless). Given how long it likely has been there, if the Keepers found it, they probably mistook it for a piece of the world soul that had crystalized because it had already influenced the world soul enough to blend in. After all, it's not like the Titans and the keepers had a control version of Azeroth's world soul from before they arrived. As well, I think what is being hinted at is how powerful Azeroth really is. The commentary about mixing of elements being more stable than a single element, and the number of elements fighting over Azeroth and trying to put their energy into the world soul has made Azeroth have an influence of... basically everything. A tug of war between the extreme ends that may simply be making Azeroth stronger. The important part will be who has just enough influence over Azeroth to aim her once she awakens... or if they all fail to do so and Azeroth goes independent. Given how we're seeing light wielders not on our side once more, an independent Azeroth might well be what the players will wind up fighting for... and possibly alongside.
The crystal on the island is way too small to be the other end of Beledar.
Talk of the firelands and light and such. I'd still really like to see a uncorrupted Ragnaros return, basically the Hearthstone variety where he's a paladin, maybe serve as Azeroth's right hand general when she awakens. Be some neat play through with the dark irons too. Both kinda redeeemed.
What if "what prevents expeditions from returning" from the areas off the map is just the Arathi navy?
So I think I know the origin of beledar's name, with the bele potentially coming from a hindi term "Beleguered' now this seems like a stretch until you look up the definition which basically refers to "experiencing a lot of difficulties, opposition and criticism" and what do we know about beledar? 🤔
Well the big elementals in Azj Kahet made me rather think of Magnaron than the rock elemental in Oshu'gun, it was pretty obvious.
so saying for the 10th time, is azeroth going to emerge in the end and say 'i'm strong cause I'm made up of all planes of magic not because I only adhere to one'
Let's break Beledar into little pieces so i can stuff my magic necklace with it's shards
welp obvs filmed before the 11.0.7 announcement
So as a life long shadow priest and warlock when do we get to embrace the darkness fully?
I thought it was the tip of sargeras sword, but then it probably wouldn’t have hurt Azeroth if it was
So, how and why was the Arathi fleet teleported inside Hallowfall? Who did that?
I know everyone in-game is pointing to Beledar's voidstate being caused by Sargeras stabbing Azeroth but what if Xera's death caused Beledar to shift. X'era is the prime N'aru so shouldn't it get the biggest and brightest ship? She seemed like such a big character to die within a patch cycle and gives Illidan some beef when he gets back with Sargeras's knowledge or maybe a more understanding Sargeras.
Stuff dying within a patch cycle isnt storytelling wise. Its old cata-bfa way of half assing stuff.
Sorry, cata-SL
The war within.....within beledar , its battle with void and light
Wait, so is it crazy predicting that Azeroth is going to be the stable coalesence of all the pure energy types? Like an avatar of stability, since all the energies are vying for dominance. Who's to say they wont all succeed in some way?
I stopped playing WoW in Shadowlands, but i always thought its just the tip of the sword from silithus.
Is it just me seing a face on the crystal at 12:21? There's something trapped within that crystal for sure.
Was this video made before sirens song position and map were shown? It literally has the top of beladar in the correct position on the map poking out. Doing a song, a sirens song
Nothing shows the top of beledar. There's a very small crystal in a cavern that sings/hums that is another of the "calcified world soul essence" if that's even what they are.
@ look at the map just released. You are welcome. It’s in a ravine
@@Platxx You talking about the big piece of Azerite they were mining before it exploded?
That's not the crystal. It's in a cave with valkyr statues and a skeleton sitting in front of it.
@@Platxx Siren Isle preview video minute mark 1:51
Leaning into the titans lying to us is a good bit
Right, this time you've actually come to a lot of the same conclusions I did (not all). But be a little careful with headcanons. Like, you say several times the Titans are infusing Azeroth with arcane. That's what we almost all believe. That the Titans are ordering Azeroth, not just physically, but in essence. But it's not been presented yet. Even Acclimation can just be interpreted as "making suited for habitation".
Beledar went dark WAY WAY before the Sargeras hit Azeroth with its blade there is one questline and i think even a book that says that beledar was dark way before the arathi were even there. It was a quest i think from the neruber.
How do I get that quest? I'm lost.
it's time for WoW to have a cool ass fantasy staircase
Funny how that crystal is jammed in the ceiling. Setup to fall down into the water
You sure are blinking a lot, is this secret Morse code to let us in on a secret about Warcraft?
I wonder when get to the point of Sargeras and have deal with removing it
Am I the only one who's mind starts rapping every time he says "on the surface"? No? Just me then?
The draenei ships are made from draenite crystals. Is draenite the same thing as azerite, just from another world?
I feel like all of this is leading up to us finding a human shaman. And then we will be given shamans for all races.
Big wink to the WOW Lore discord that told me that everything you explain was impossible, even when i said, month ago, that it was my theory.
Beledar...Bellular? I am on to you, I know how you mislead us! :P
Wait its not am egg with azeroth inside?
I thought it is and the light/dark intervalls are her struggle for survival
Beledar for the next raid?
didn't arathi go east instead of west as you animated? Or do I missremember
Beledar will become the new Draenie Homecity :P
the war within.. beledar *mind blown*
god fucking dammit i knew the runes around Beledar were familiar!
This is the theory everyone had and it ended not being true. Unless Oshugun is also made from the essence of another world soul.
My guess when Metzen took over the they shifted some story elements away from that concept art...
Those "calcified chunks" are just clusters of Azerit and do NOT refer to Beledar.
aren’t naaru stable enough despite being Light?
Maybe because they go void? :P
They aren't stable at all. Which is why they flip. The only stable naaru is the one in the priest hall. It has forsaken the light and the void. Chooses to be neither.
We already know the island with the Cristal is for 0.7, so maybe this video needed a quick rewrite of the ending.
Crystal*
Autocorrect was on for my native language, sorry.
@@k1ndr3dspirits we get his point so we don't need to point out grammar mistakes
Siren island has bits of azerite. It’s not Beladar.
One mistake in your video, the Arathi did not sail west, but east.
If Beledar is a ship, did it land empty? No Dranei?
There's no reason why Draenei would be on Beledar?
3:42
WTF? WoW now has mechadendrites?
Forget what they titant said. Calcified essence of the world soul perfectly symmetrical with rune? Right, and im a 2 headed unicorn on rollers.
My head canon wish it would be the light force equivelent to the old gods. Just like the void lords drew together their power to send out old gods into the universe, naaru did the same in a race to corrupt the planets with their respective force.
Know what WoW needs? Jem'Hadar.
Agreed. Huge, born for battle reptilian humanoids controlled by an addiction to a substance only created by their far weaker but more cunning leaders. That is the order of things.
8:41 ever since I learned that the well of eternity was in actuality a wound, I can’t help but feel like the trolls-turned-night elves that were drawn to it were akin to maggots festering on a flesh wound. 🥴🫠
Why do the Arathi know so much about the firelands? lol...
If it has a door it's created.
The Arathi Emperor will come to take his rightful lands & kingdoms as the one true king & ruler over humans, then the High Elves who have no longer a Royal bloodline.
"The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness." The Whispers have many answers & many means, there is no true one answer or meaning.
Wait a sec. I know this might me already retconed, but Azeroth is titan, right? Titans are arcane, not elemental...
if its a crashed ship then who put so much earth ontop of it? its deep underground.