@Message Posted Yes it's overrated (it definitely could NOT be a game on its own) but I love it, it's still a really good expansion. It's a good ending to a great game.
@@xkristixx It's not just the gameplay hours. A big part of why its weirdness works is because the classic Tolkien-esque fantasy setting of the rest of the game gets you so deep into your comfort zone. Neither Oblivion nor The Shivering Isles would be as good if they weren't a package deal.
Good point! The main story of Oblivion is already full of chaos, then the Isles take the character's journey into an even greater impression of craziness
Fittingly I agree and disagree at the same time. Oblivion isn't crazy, it's just slightly off. Its setting is so classic and comforting on the surface with craziness and chaos underneath, the Shivering Isles brings the chaos that's already there to the surface so it provides a stark contrast without feeling out of place.
Yes! Usually I stay up waiting for these guys to talk about me myself and I but, this is just as good. You know me.... You just don't know it.... Cheese!
These are by far my favorite videos you guys have EVER produced. My favorite part is that you guys get to talk more about headcannon and theories and not have to worry about misleading fans because it's literally just your thoughts on the matter. I REALLY hope that the Pelinal Whitestrake video goes DEEP into theory territory, since there's so much we don't know about him.
I’ve been subbed to them since the old days when they did the role playing Fallout 4 builds with all the backstories and everything. Hard to believe it’s been over 6 years.
I think the line about Haskill mantling Sheogorath was added in a passing chance to explain why Sheogorath's voice changed in recent titles. Fun fact: Sheogorath's voice was originally done by the same guy as Haskill in morrowind.
I really hope that one day Bethesda will consider remastering both this game and Morrowind. Both games are so amazing, and its a shame they seem to have been mostly forgotten and totally overshadowed by Skyrim outside of the hardcore fan base. I can always dream I suppose...
That sounds like a really cool idea, but that would encourage Bethesda to join companies like Rockstar in simply riding on their success from 10 or 20 years ago by simply milking GTA online until it's dead (they're definitely trying with ESO) or "remastering" beloved games, then abandoning the production of new games if they don't produce financially groundbreaking results as fast as possible.
Maybe Haskill mantled Sheogorath, but ultimately failed to stop Jyggalag. Like, he did everything that the Hero of Kvatch did, but when the final battle against the Prince of Order came, our dry-witted friend was slain or defeated. The Grey March finished, and when the real Sheogorath came back to his nonsenses, he turned Haskill into a vestige as a reward for giving it a good try.
Just rewatched your college of Winterhold video. Next podcast needs to be about the different guilds between TES3 to 5. How they are different, how the quests are different and like a top list of which are best. Missed opportunity of each guild. Make it happen!
I recall playing the shivering isles as it came out, on a really powerful mage character i already had. I remember being astonished at the color, both literally and figuratively in the shivering isles. I recall playing every part of it that i could find, finishing every quest and dungeon there that i could find. Unlocking the awesome madness bow etc. Then i went back to Cyrodiil to finish some quests, and it just felt so tame, and colorless even compared to dementia. Also gromites always reminded me of frogpeople
I like to believe Haskill is similar to Barbas, in that he is Inherently a part of the mad god, but where Barbas is the conniver's conscience. Haskill is Sheogorath's sanity, or mundaneity.
@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 now it seems you have left the Island to me and did not tell me where you reside now. I went from being your other half to an unwanted guest. I wonder when we will see you again.
@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 Well you had been feared by all the other daedra. Maybe kick them out of their own realms and make a new home? Then we could have?a house warming party and I would bring cheese for everyone! Ah only the best for you though. I know we had a rivalry but, we are of the same coin so... I've beaten most of them and surely if I can best them, then so could you
I like Sheogorath and the Shivering Isles, but I think he is the Prince we've seen the most of by this point. Hopefully we get some more videos like this about the Deadlands or Clodharbour. I'd love to see more about Peryite or Meridia as well... Or a video about the differences in religions among Tamrielic cultures.
I sort of fancy the idea that the Shivering Isles houses so many different beings that are associated with other Deadric/Aeadric entities because they saw him as a more powerful master in some way. Like, in lore we know that Sheogorath challenged the various other Daedric Princes (Hircine/Boethiah, Vearmina, etc.) & basically one upped them at their own games. So after some of the servants of these Princes saw/heard about it they were like "Yo, that Sheogorath is legit." or whatever. Alternatively i guess Sheo could have just nicked some of them from their home realms as sort oc a 'salt in the wounds' sort of act after besting their Princes. Don't know, just a fun explanation i thought about.
I always thought the Shivering Isles should have been a fully-fleshed out game. It was so, so very different than Oblivion and just felt very...fae to me, for lack of a better word. Kinda freaked me out a bit until I realized there was plentiful cheese to be had.
Grummites are Deep Ones. Lovecraftian. From the stories Shadow Over Innsmouth and At the Mountains of Madness. That's why they're so fishlike and there are rumored different stages of their lifespan
The thing I am curious is how the spirits and tge living exactly work in daedric realms? Since the dead go to their respective princes realm if they worship them or influenced by them but alive mortals can get in the realms too so... how? How does it work?
love shivering isles, sheogorath has the most potential to be the coolest Daedric prince but he's never utilised well, even as a meme character there are way better ways to make him a meme than just ooooo random cheese, young scrolls making sheogorath a Soundcloud rapper is spectacular that is canon in my mind
This video might be 2 years old & probably not important but I wanted to comment on the difference between souls & spirits in Christianity - which isn’t a one to one for Elder Scrolls lore but probably had some influence. The easiest way I was taught to remember the difference is that all living things have a spirit (the essence of being that allows for experiencing & comprehending the physical world) but only people have a soul (the essence of God within all humans that gave us life & sentience). Hope that helps someone lol
question aren't the era's marked by the lighting of the dragonfires so would Jyggalags return(The Grey March) be connected to the crowning of a new emperor and lighting the dragonfires.
You could almost compare the Freudian Superego, Ego, and Id to Hermaeus Mora/Apocrypha, Mortals/Nirn, and Sheogorath/Shivering Isles. Hermaeus Mora represents the perfect ideal of infinite knowledge and understanding Sheogorath represents the REAL chaotic madness that is the physical biological mind And the mortals of Nirn are stuck in the middle, literally torn apart from either side by infinitely powerful forces of nature.
Also, anyone consider that Jyggalag might also just be insane, and both Sheogorath and Jyggalag were part of the same coin? The other Daedric Princess never cursed Jyggalag into becoming Sheogorath, its just a delusion of his own mental state. Instead they have always, from the very beginning been switching between each-other. These are the two sides of madness they represent. Its only after the events of Oblivion that both entities became two separate beings due to the Campion, mantling the Sheogorath persona, allowing Jyggalag to let go of that part of his persona so that only he himself would remain. (at least that's my view on things after reading most of the lore on the SI and Sheogorath/Jyggalag. They are a play on the saying that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result.)
I've been addicted to Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind first dropped, but I've never played the Shivering Isles expansion. I actually played more of Morrowind than Oblivion after Oblivion came out. Took Skyrim to drag me away from Resdayn.
I know this isn’t related but I think you should do a video of your complete mod have so many mods in Skyrim that I would love and it would be great to see what mods you use
can we talk about how eso online for western skyrim is so different to skyrim. such as some animals are not there anymore or how the tree ladies had snake like appearance then how oblivion and skyrim have them with legs
16:09 you do it once, you're addicted, do it five times, you're addicted,, fifty times, you're addicted, sixty times, you're dead, a hundred times, you're addicted, you stop, you're dead
The Isles, the Isles. A wonderful place! Except when it's horrible. Then it's horribly wonderful. Good for a visit. Or for an eternity.
Hey big guy, the Greymarch is coming.
I am disappointed in you uncle Leo...no videos at all...
In my eyes, this could have been its own game. I loved the Shivering Isles - and still do. Hands down best TES expansion!
Honestly I would have bought that game. But don't tell Todd.
Keep up the good content mate
@Message Posted Yes it's overrated (it definitely could NOT be a game on its own) but I love it, it's still a really good expansion. It's a good ending to a great game.
@@NamelessKing1597 Agreed. It's too short on gameplay hours for it to be its own. Still an amazing expansion though.
@@xkristixx It's not just the gameplay hours. A big part of why its weirdness works is because the classic Tolkien-esque fantasy setting of the rest of the game gets you so deep into your comfort zone. Neither Oblivion nor The Shivering Isles would be as good if they weren't a package deal.
Shivering Isles is the best, purely because it introduces the best rapper in all of Aetherius, Runs-In-Circles 🔥 🔥
Young Scrolls where ya at?
That ninininininini hits different 😩😳
DJ Kagrenak always takes the cake, dropped a beat so hard he killed his race
EllaMayo
Stop the 🧢, cause saint jiub be goin hard.
The moment I saw the butterflies after talking to Haskill, Shivering Isles took a shine to me. And by far my most favorite expansion of Oblivion.
Yes! That moment when the room turned to butterflies was epic!
@@guardiancologne9034 Hell yeah xD After that transistion, then seeing Mania and Dementia just took my breath away.
The elder scrolls lore is so deep I love seeing people like you guys talk about the tes lore and being so passionate about it keep up the good work
I always thought the Shivering Isles worked so well was because base Oblivion was already so crazy to begin with
Definitely agree with you on this. Anyone that played oblivion at or near launch definitely realized on crazy the base game was
Good point! The main story of Oblivion is already full of chaos, then the Isles take the character's journey into an even greater impression of craziness
Fittingly I agree and disagree at the same time. Oblivion isn't crazy, it's just slightly off. Its setting is so classic and comforting on the surface with craziness and chaos underneath, the Shivering Isles brings the chaos that's already there to the surface so it provides a stark contrast without feeling out of place.
My thoughts exactly, it played to Oblivion's strengths so to speak. The awkwardness of Oblivion's NPCs fits in well with the Shivering Isles setting.
Me: wakes up at 5am
Me: "guess ill watch some youtube for breakfast"
Fudgemuppet: slides new episode onto my plate
Delicious!
Yes! Usually I stay up waiting for these guys to talk about me myself and I but, this is just as good. You know me.... You just don't know it.... Cheese!
These are by far my favorite videos you guys have EVER produced. My favorite part is that you guys get to talk more about headcannon and theories and not have to worry about misleading fans because it's literally just your thoughts on the matter. I REALLY hope that the Pelinal Whitestrake video goes DEEP into theory territory, since there's so much we don't know about him.
Easy answer without even starting to listen to the podcast...
It is, yes!
Discussion finished ^^
Wow. That's some timing lol. Loving the return to deep dive content, guys!
We need to get them to 1 million
I’ve been subbed to them since the old days when they did the role playing Fallout 4 builds with all the backstories and everything. Hard to believe it’s been over 6 years.
Looks like we did
Scotts glasses work REALLY well with his hair.
Labyrinth is my daughter's favorite movie. Yes, I can see the similarities.
I seiously love how you guys work so well together! ❤️💜💙
Scott I got the "tax policy" reference right away!
My crippling mental state:
Sheogorath: “ *it’s free real estate* “
Always ready for more of my three favorite lore goblins 👺
Ah Dawnfang and Duskfang , I'm thirsty...lol
I think the line about Haskill mantling Sheogorath was added in a passing chance to explain why Sheogorath's voice changed in recent titles. Fun fact: Sheogorath's voice was originally done by the same guy as Haskill in morrowind.
I really hope that one day Bethesda will consider remastering both this game and Morrowind. Both games are so amazing, and its a shame they seem to have been mostly forgotten and totally overshadowed by Skyrim outside of the hardcore fan base. I can always dream I suppose...
Mate, if you've not been following Skyblivion, those guys are doing a better job than Bethesda ever would.
@@MisterFluffyBags Still uses the Skyrim engine though. Lots of people hated how much more they slimmed down the gameplay in Skyrim.
@@Uglyminesword Yes, that’s true, but it’s not like the engine itself would somehow make it impossible to implement things like attributes
That sounds like a really cool idea, but that would encourage Bethesda to join companies like Rockstar in simply riding on their success from 10 or 20 years ago by simply milking GTA online until it's dead (they're definitely trying with ESO) or "remastering" beloved games, then abandoning the production of new games if they don't produce financially groundbreaking results as fast as possible.
The awesomeness of "Baiting the Trap" quest, makes me want to play Oblivion again.
The fact that you become the new Sheogorath in the end is so amazing. It really gives you the feeling of “holy shit, I’m a Daedric prince!”
AWESOME episode, and yep you guys are right, CERTAINLY the greatest TES expansion to date
"You ever see Labyrinth?"
magic dance plays in the back of my head-
I love these. Need them more often in my life!!!
Another Sunday at work saved by the best podcast on Nirn!🤘🤘🤘
Just finished kotn and about to do the shivering isles for the first time
I love listening to these while I draw ^ ^
Maybe Haskill mantled Sheogorath, but ultimately failed to stop Jyggalag. Like, he did everything that the Hero of Kvatch did, but when the final battle against the Prince of Order came, our dry-witted friend was slain or defeated. The Grey March finished, and when the real Sheogorath came back to his nonsenses, he turned Haskill into a vestige as a reward for giving it a good try.
Just rewatched your college of Winterhold video. Next podcast needs to be about the different guilds between TES3 to 5. How they are different, how the quests are different and like a top list of which are best. Missed opportunity of each guild. Make it happen!
Always loved this DLC and this version of Sheogorath over his Skyrim appearance
Good work once again guys: top legends
Michael... The lighting of your border makes it look like you dyed your hair purple! 😂
I want a game that will have all the Daedric Artifact quests allow you atleast a glimpse into each Daedric Princes Realm of Oblivion.
I recall playing the shivering isles as it came out, on a really powerful mage character i already had.
I remember being astonished at the color, both literally and figuratively in the shivering isles. I recall playing every part of it that i could find, finishing every quest and dungeon there that i could find. Unlocking the awesome madness bow etc.
Then i went back to Cyrodiil to finish some quests, and it just felt so tame, and colorless even compared to dementia.
Also gromites always reminded me of frogpeople
Ahhh, the best way to relax after work. Whiskey and my boys at FudgeMuppet.
Now. Time for a talk with Sheo on Magic Mushies bby.
I like to believe Haskill is similar to Barbas, in that he is Inherently a part of the mad god, but where Barbas is the conniver's conscience. Haskill is Sheogorath's sanity, or mundaneity.
I fell asleep to this, so it must've been FACTS and PERFECT
I had just played it for the first time just last year. It really does live up to the hype of being the best dlc. I completely enjoyed it.
such funny timing too i was about to get my video for bed! love you guys 💕
It seems like the fact that Felldew is a blatant Mountain Dew analogy goes over a lot of heads. I like it.
Anyone else mesmerized by Drew’s shirt?
I'm pretty sure I specifically remember Sheogorath saying that the greymarch happens at the end of every era.
I mean since the last greymarch lines up with the ending of the 3rd Era on Nirn I think it's not a stretch to assume the others do as well
Maybe you can do an episode on apocrypha? Realm of lord Herma mora?
Or the hunting grounds
They did already bunch of videos about this topic, lore, and Podcast 30.
You guys should do a podcast about fallout 3 you could talk about the factions, companions, and quests
I for once made into the top 10 comments.
My wisdom is
Cheese
Cheese for everyone!
YES!!! THANK YOU!
Yes I can't take credit for the shape of the land. You made it I just remake it.
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 😠
@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 now it seems you have left the Island to me and did not tell me where you reside now. I went from being your other half to an unwanted guest. I wonder when we will see you again.
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 Thanks to you, I am now wandering around Oblivion.
@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 Well you had been feared by all the other daedra. Maybe kick them out of their own realms and make a new home? Then we could have?a house warming party and I would bring cheese for everyone! Ah only the best for you though. I know we had a rivalry but, we are of the same coin so... I've beaten most of them and surely if I can best them, then so could you
I like Sheogorath and the Shivering Isles, but I think he is the Prince we've seen the most of by this point. Hopefully we get some more videos like this about the Deadlands or Clodharbour. I'd love to see more about Peryite or Meridia as well... Or a video about the differences in religions among Tamrielic cultures.
I sort of fancy the idea that the Shivering Isles houses so many different beings that are associated with other Deadric/Aeadric entities because they saw him as a more powerful master in some way. Like, in lore we know that Sheogorath challenged the various other Daedric Princes (Hircine/Boethiah, Vearmina, etc.) & basically one upped them at their own games.
So after some of the servants of these Princes saw/heard about it they were like "Yo, that Sheogorath is legit." or whatever. Alternatively i guess Sheo could have just nicked some of them from their home realms as sort oc a 'salt in the wounds' sort of act after besting their Princes.
Don't know, just a fun explanation i thought about.
Yeah shivering isles and bloodmoon were my favorite expansions from the TES series.
You're not continuing the lore Iceberg?
They are doing them in between other podcasts
We are continuing them don't you worry :)
@@FudgeMuppet Cheers
I remember being 16, taking lsd ,home alone when decided to play this DLC for the first time. Best shit that ever happened to me.
How about a podcast on Yokuda, and the pawy, present, and future of the redguards?
Thanks a lot. Now I have to go and replay the shivering isles dlc immediately. You know, some of us have Valheim to play!
Ya know, you guys could have just removed "TES" from the title. Shivering Isles: The best DLC add-on *ever*.
Fkn change my mind lmao
@@forthexp8649 How can I change your mind when you're so abundantly correct!?
I love Shivering Isles, but Blood Moon will always be my favorite.
I’ve got a familiar itch in my teeth Sil... I may need to delve deep into the madness again...
i think a podcast on the protagonist for each of the elder scrolls games would be cool
Shivering Isles is the best DLC of all time, no cap.
I never lie, Hide Helmet, no cap
Shivering Island really is THAT good 👌🏾
I always thought the Shivering Isles should have been a fully-fleshed out game. It was so, so very different than Oblivion and just felt very...fae to me, for lack of a better word. Kinda freaked me out a bit until I realized there was plentiful cheese to be had.
Yeee boi new podcast to listen to at work
This DLC gave me such high hopes for DLC in other games but it's just not possible to make a dlc this good
Grummites are Deep Ones. Lovecraftian. From the stories Shadow Over Innsmouth and At the Mountains of Madness. That's why they're so fishlike and there are rumored different stages of their lifespan
The thing I am curious is how the spirits and tge living exactly work in daedric realms? Since the dead go to their respective princes realm if they worship them or influenced by them but alive mortals can get in the realms too so... how? How does it work?
It just works.
the pursuit of perfection is to pursue insanity, for maintaining it is impossible
Really craving a deep breakdown on morrowind
'We'll now have Flood and Famine in mah realm. CHEESE!! Cheese for everyone! What, Flood and Famine are over? Ah,well. Cheese for no one.'
I always fight the gatekeeper. I didn't realize that there was a proper way to do it.
love shivering isles, sheogorath has the most potential to be the coolest Daedric prince but he's never utilised well, even as a meme character there are way better ways to make him a meme than just ooooo random cheese, young scrolls making sheogorath a Soundcloud rapper is spectacular that is canon in my mind
Fudgemuppet getting a milli soon
This video might be 2 years old & probably not important but I wanted to comment on the difference between souls & spirits in Christianity - which isn’t a one to one for Elder Scrolls lore but probably had some influence.
The easiest way I was taught to remember the difference is that all living things have a spirit (the essence of being that allows for experiencing & comprehending the physical world) but only people have a soul (the essence of God within all humans that gave us life & sentience).
Hope that helps someone lol
You guys are awesome love your content keep it up👍
Even though not demented or schizophrenic or anything like that. I am paranoid a bit and it's just fine.
You guys have some very enjoyable videos
question aren't the era's marked by the lighting of the dragonfires so would Jyggalags return(The Grey March) be connected to the crowning of a new emperor and lighting the dragonfires.
You could almost compare the Freudian Superego, Ego, and Id to Hermaeus Mora/Apocrypha, Mortals/Nirn, and Sheogorath/Shivering Isles.
Hermaeus Mora represents the perfect ideal of infinite knowledge and understanding
Sheogorath represents the REAL chaotic madness that is the physical biological mind
And the mortals of Nirn are stuck in the middle, literally torn apart from either side by infinitely powerful forces of nature.
Iceberg when?
Also, anyone consider that Jyggalag might also just be insane, and both Sheogorath and Jyggalag were part of the same coin?
The other Daedric Princess never cursed Jyggalag into becoming Sheogorath, its just a delusion of his own mental state.
Instead they have always, from the very beginning been switching between each-other.
These are the two sides of madness they represent.
Its only after the events of Oblivion that both entities became two separate beings due to the Campion, mantling the Sheogorath persona, allowing Jyggalag to let go of that part of his persona so that only he himself would remain.
(at least that's my view on things after reading most of the lore on the SI and Sheogorath/Jyggalag.
They are a play on the saying that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result.)
Absolutely correct - Jyggalag The Daedric Prince of Order and Deduction.
What if the Hero of Kvatch pushed Haskil out when they mantled Sheogorath? Time is weird in the planes of Oblivion.
Skyrim was the knee to the balls before eso kicked me repeatedly while inwas down.
Fimmion like pants. Looove sweetroll!
Absolutely the best DLC in TESa
I always thought Dawnguard was the best tes dlc ... then I played shivering isles 🔥
Hey get camelworks in these!!
Think I’m finally gona play morrowind just grabbed the game of year edition the other day.
Loved it!
Yeah, it's amazing
You know what, What was Sheogoraths' tax policy?
Fair and easy to understand. Absolutely crazy, right?
Drews shirt kinda looks like an oblivion gate to...somewhere
I've been addicted to Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind first dropped, but I've never played the Shivering Isles expansion. I actually played more of Morrowind than Oblivion after Oblivion came out. Took Skyrim to drag me away from Resdayn.
Last time I was this early, this joke was not this old.
I know this isn’t related but I think you should do a video of your complete mod have so many mods in Skyrim that I would love and it would be great to see what mods you use
can we talk about how eso online for western skyrim is so different to skyrim. such as some animals are not there anymore or how the tree ladies had snake like appearance then how oblivion and skyrim have them with legs
Maybe because haskil wasn't able to defeat jyggalag he was forced to give the power back.
This is the primary reason I want Skyblivion
CHEESE! FOR EVERYONE!
NO!!!
Gotta love being nocturnal
16:09 you do it once, you're addicted, do it five times, you're addicted,, fifty times, you're addicted, sixty times, you're dead, a hundred times, you're addicted, you stop, you're dead