Glad you explained how you came into the business. Hat's off to the company who saw in you your interest and have brought you along. We have a tremendous shortage of skilled workers in every technical field today. I personally know of a system integrator who started out "hanging around" a particular shop. The guys there took an interest in HIS interest and he followed the same path it looks like you are on: Volunteer to part time to full time and then up the ladder. I wish you and the people who are mentoring you the very best.
3:43 my dad worked on all sorts of building construction, and in this case he would’ve forced it off (but only pulling it a slight distance) but he would’ve given it a good tug. It won’t take off the paint around it, at most it might take off a small chip that’ll end up being covered by the new device. Or at least when he did things like that, he did it with no damage because he had a lot of experience under his belt 😂
That would not be a good idea to just rip it off you would rip a bunch of paint off the proper way is to do what I did and cut the paint where it is pointed to the plastic around the device
@@nics-systems-electric there’s a technique to it. Then again, my dad did work for almost 30 years. There’s a certain way you gotta do it to where it won’t remove the paint. But yes, there is a “proper” way (I realize it seems like I’m criticizing or making fun of you, that’s not my intent 😂)
One good practice I've found is adding labels to all the devices with their address. That way you can clearly identify which device it is in the future without having to open it. Helps when testing the system also
What the labels usually say is the SLC's loop number and device's address number and the type of device is which is Module or Detector. Here's what it all means: L#: SLC loop # M###: Module # Or D###: Detector # Example 1 (Module): L1M004. L1 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, M004 is the Module's address on that SLC loop. Example 2 (Detector): L2D008. L2 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, D008 is the Detector's address on that SLC loop. When adding the Module's label like "L1M100" it also has to be added to the outside of a pull station because inside an addressable pull station there's a mini monitor module built inside the pull station that monitors the pull station's contacts where the contacts are in an open state as the pull station is normal (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast) and if it monitors the contacts in a closed state as the pull station is pulled then the monitor module will set off the fire alarm system (LED light of the mini monitor module is solid) and the monitor module will stay in that closed state when the pull station is reset but will go back to an open state when the system is reset with the pull station as well (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast again). It could've been different as a pull station would be abbreviated as "P" which means the label could be "L2P060" but it's "M" to abbreviate Module as pull stations count as a Module on an addressable system because of the mini monitor module inside of it
@@nics-systems-electric this is better than my schools Edwards EST system which is junk but even though Edwards EST is junk it has worked surprisingly well in my school.
Looks like it started out as a Simplex fire alarm system in the 1970s, but then in the 1980s or early 1990s the Edwards 6616 replaced whatever the old Simplex panel was (probably a 4207 or 4208), along with those Edwards heat sensors, and some of the Simplex bells got replaced with newer bells over time. And now everything comes out in favor of the Notifier NFS-320C. I'm reminded of how the Liberal Arts and Humanities buildings at my college recently went through such an upgrade. They were originally built in 1978 with Simplex 4207 fire alarm systems, with 4051+4050-80 horn/lights, 4255-1 and 4265 heat sensors and those same 4251-20 single-action pulls. Then in 2005 a Faraday MPC-7000 system was installed to cover both buildings, with Space Age Electronics VA4 horn/strobes, Faraday FireSmart smoke and heat detectors and addressable 8700-M "Chevron" pulls (that had dual-action adapter covers installed in 2008.) Then this summer both buildings each had their own Notifier system installed, probably an NFS-320 (an FDU-80 annunciator was installed in each building's entrance near the electrical rooms where the panels were installed), with those same System Sensor L-series horn/strobes, FSP-951 smoke detectors and NBG-12LX pulls. The rest of the college campus already mostly had Notifier systems installed, and so after being out of the loop for quite a while I am glad these two buildings finally hopped on the Notifier bandwagon!
Just as a side note, installers do not decide what volume setting to put the devices on. Your judgement of what is appropriate for the space is just as irrelevant as the selection of the devices themselves. I've been installing for four years and I have always been told that if a lower volume setting is required, it will be marked on the drawings. Elsewise, we do not touch the volume selector. I am glad you decided to revert that horn strobe back to high volume. If someone failed to hear that device for whatever reason, anything that happened to said individual would fall on you. Be cautious and know that the decisions you make can (and often do) impact the wellbeing and safety of others. On a much more positive note, the video is very well made and you are doing great work!
Now that I think of it the last two schools that were replaced We set them on low volume and in some of the schools I’ve turn down the volume where they’ve been louder than necessary I don’t think it should be done but it seems to be
16:42 Not everyone commented about this but I like how there's a STOP sign right underneath the pull station as it will STOP kids from pulling the fire alarm for fun!
There was not any leftover but there was some left over heat detectors which were saved as spare parts and some of them when we did our verification did not work so we needed to get replaced I think I kept one or two of the functioning ones
Okay. I was just curious because I know in most places in Canada a verification has to be done by someone other than the installing contractor. An electrical contractor does the work and then a fire alarm company comes in after to verify it. Retrofits can sometimes be a grey area though.
@@The1025RChannel Yes I remember there was a certain way of verifying it legally as there was two parties basically the fire alarm company and the school district electricians who I was with
At My old school, only some alarms where replaced at a time, like we had Spectraalert classics, system sensor mass’s, bg12s, 7001s, chevron pulls, bg-8s (some older style), and some probably Mechanical wheelock horns not on light or strobe plates installed at the same time, there was also a fire bell but idk if it still works or not. And only the Spectraalerts did code 3, the rest did continuous.
20:09 Funny enough, I think us Canadian enthusiasts rately see them because its because you need FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APROVAL to install them here! That so fucking dumb!
A library I went to had an old Simplex system with 4251-20s and Simplex 6 inch bells and 9101 strobe plates but the only difference was that the new system was not Notifier, it was a EST system with the new G4AVRF LEDs and EST SIGA-278 pull stations.
The way you slide the mounting base one way and then slide it the other way and then just tighten your screws and it's all done is really satisfying for sure
My school’s fire alarm system is due to be replaced because a lot of devices fault and the firesheild panel either keeps crashing or keeps breaking. Idk why but firesheilds tend to be bad but very common here in the east part of canada
@@nics-systems-electric idk what is it called in the U.S, but I found a job where you install and test fire alarm systems. Iirc it is just a fire alarm technician, but it depends on what you do depending on who you work for
When will this happen to my school 😭😭😭😭 we literally had bells for so many years and then final year on ONE FLOOR (for first year students) got an upgrade 💁♀️🤦
@@nics-systems-electric also I forgot to mention that at my high school which has ceiling mount red spectralert advances on a notifier system kept going in alarm due to a malfunctioning smoke detector so they had to replace it, what usually happens to smoke detectors that causes the system to go in alarm?
What a great and cool day!! It's so nice that you get the chance to do this!! What brand was the old panel? That was a addressable or conventional panel? Stay safe and have fun!! ...
@@nics-systems-electricwait in the video in the pull station packages I see a key for every pull station. Are they all different or does 1 key work for all
Duing my Seiner walk back in the day one of the FCI MS 2 they had in my Elementary school one of them was replaced with a Gamewell Pullstation which is similar to the Notifier BG12
we have to run and use fire alarm wiring with the red outer jacket for all our devices the older systems used white wire labeled ul listed smoke alarm signal wiring on the outer jackets with positive and negative marked
2:40 what about running it for a few more seconds by activating with its power off? You gotta drain whatever power it has left, there could be some residual electrical charges 😭
@@nics-systems-electric Ok, So It's A Constant Trouble Issue, Ok That Makes Sense. That Could Be Really Problematic For The System To Stay In The Constant Intermitted Trouble, It Could Make The System Inoperable And That Would Be Really Bad.
because they where replacing everything for addressable devices but had mini mods and cheap system sensor heats in wet areas, as Pickle 700 said "These are the rules that I did not make,"
@@nics-systems-electric my high school kept the four FCI MS-2’s in the auditorium, even though the new system is a Simplex 4100U. But I agree, it doesn’t make sense
when you said "the painters wont be happy about that" i am saying OFCORSE THEIR HAPPY The More Work The More MOOOOOLAHHHHHHH $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
creating unnecessary work for school district painters tends to piss them off. they already have enough to do over the summer etc. you start adding annoying touchups etc to their workload, its a good way to get on their bad side
@@nics-systems-electric that person is an "obsessed idiot" with est stuff he is in a bunch of comments sections telling people to throw away their firelite or notifier systems and get est systems he will get over it someday
What year did this school open? My first elementary school kept the pull stations in the same locations but used new wiring for the indicators. My 2nd elementary school and middle school re wired the new system to install
@@nics-systems-electric thank you. My 2nd elementary school opened in 65 and got upgraded to est integrity after expanding and eventually replaced them with the genesis. And hopefully my high school didn't keep the 1949 wiring when renovating in the late 90s.
How come over that side of the pond heat detectors are so frequently used? Over here in the UK everything is smoke detection or multisensors. Surely by the time a heat detector goes off the damage will already be done?
Yeah you don’t see them much in new buildings just old ones where you would usually have sprinklers but if there’s not sprinklers you use heats in place of sprinklers as they both detect heat just one only activates a system one also put water out
@@nics-systems-electric ah interesting. Whenever a system gets upgraded over here the main change is usually detection. When they replaced the system at my school, they went from opticals in the corridors only to opticals and multis basically everywhere.
Hello sir, do you ever replace old Simplex panels? I'm a collector who will be getting into the field as a career soon and I'm looking for a 4002, 4004, or 4005. I also collect used devices so if you ever have a few old horns or notification devices I would love to save them from the garbage. Preserving this old equipment is important to me as I build demo systems for every panel I have. I currently have a 4001 and a 4010. I'm also looking for an FCI 7100. Thanks for your great videos!
I only work in my school district so we only replaceable one system a year we only have two Simplex systems one is only five years old so it will be there for a while unless it keeps having issues the other simplex system is a little older being 1996 but isn’t the highest priority to get done so I unfortunately won’t be removing any Simplex systems for a while
@@nics-systems-electric I see, thank you for your reply. If that 1996 system ever gets replaced I'd be interested in the panel and a few devices. I love this old Simplex stuff. My email is in the about page if you ever wish to contact me. I am also interested in something like an FCI 7100 or a Notifier panel as I have a few addressable modules for those that I was given a few years ago.
Nothing wrong with the old wire here and it’s not like you can non-destructively Re-pull bx I suppose you could re-pull everything that is in pipe but wouldn’t be any point of it really
@@CJ9899 we’ll see not sure. I might have to get rid of some of the devices as I have too many now right now they’re still sitting in a cardboard box on the floor lol typically I’ve never sold anything as that would give away my location as where it’s coming from
@@ScantPear I am not sure it’s a very unique position that I am in I am the first one in my district to have ever done it it isn’t really a program or anything it was just knowing the right people and fighting with management to get it to be allowed it is not a paid thing
@@nics-systems-electric oh ok but a high school in my district is getting a new system and the old one has spectralerts and I really want the spectralerts badly…
Nah I wear gloves if it's rough work but just a fire alarm replacement isn't that crazy unless I'm in some sort of horrible place my hand was just messed up in this video because I crashed on an electric scooter doing like 45KPH
Yes but I don’t usually keep everything just stuff I want if I can save it in time usually I’m quick enough and get a box and put the stuff I want in it and just write on it Nic’s stuff
@@nics-systems-electric good to hear you not getting hurt too bad, mine was a chuck of metal flying across the room and split my hand open about an inch.
@@J19_vlogger74 that’s not good how did that happen? the hand that was all scratched and bleeding is healed but my other hand I landed on I can’t move it quite as far as I used to and it clicks and sometimes hurts lol
So at my school back in 2nd grade we had a fire drill after we came in it goes off again speakers go on and say stay in your class room while we fix this ok if goes off again so they call the class room mine and want me so I went down there and the panel was fried
Glad you explained how you came into the business. Hat's off to the company who saw in you your interest and have brought you along. We have a tremendous shortage of skilled workers in every technical field today. I personally know of a system integrator who started out "hanging around" a particular shop. The guys there took an interest in HIS interest and he followed the same path it looks like you are on: Volunteer to part time to full time and then up the ladder. I wish you and the people who are mentoring you the very best.
3:43 my dad worked on all sorts of building construction, and in this case he would’ve forced it off (but only pulling it a slight distance) but he would’ve given it a good tug. It won’t take off the paint around it, at most it might take off a small chip that’ll end up being covered by the new device. Or at least when he did things like that, he did it with no damage because he had a lot of experience under his belt 😂
That would not be a good idea to just rip it off you would rip a bunch of paint off the proper way is to do what I did and cut the paint where it is pointed to the plastic around the device
@@nics-systems-electric there’s a technique to it. Then again, my dad did work for almost 30 years. There’s a certain way you gotta do it to where it won’t remove the paint. But yes, there is a “proper” way (I realize it seems like I’m criticizing or making fun of you, that’s not my intent 😂)
One good practice I've found is adding labels to all the devices with their address. That way you can clearly identify which device it is in the future without having to open it. Helps when testing the system also
What the labels usually say is the SLC's loop number and device's address number and the type of device is which is Module or Detector. Here's what it all means:
L#: SLC loop #
M###: Module #
Or
D###: Detector #
Example 1 (Module): L1M004. L1 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, M004 is the Module's address on that SLC loop.
Example 2 (Detector): L2D008. L2 is the SLC loop's number of the device that it's on, D008 is the Detector's address on that SLC loop.
When adding the Module's label like "L1M100" it also has to be added to the outside of a pull station because inside an addressable pull station there's a mini monitor module built inside the pull station that monitors the pull station's contacts where the contacts are in an open state as the pull station is normal (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast) and if it monitors the contacts in a closed state as the pull station is pulled then the monitor module will set off the fire alarm system (LED light of the mini monitor module is solid) and the monitor module will stay in that closed state when the pull station is reset but will go back to an open state when the system is reset with the pull station as well (LED light of the mini monitor module is blinking fast again). It could've been different as a pull station would be abbreviated as "P" which means the label could be "L2P060" but it's "M" to abbreviate Module as pull stations count as a Module on an addressable system because of the mini monitor module inside of it
The fire alarm system is getting a big upgrade
Yes it is
@@nics-systems-electric this is better than my schools Edwards EST system which is junk but even though Edwards EST is junk it has worked surprisingly well in my school.
What type of est system is it
soon it is going to become into a combo lock, 2 keys, a numberpad to access the code, and to do a dance to activate it
I hate p2rl speaker strobes my school has em they sound horrible fire drills are boring
Looks like it started out as a Simplex fire alarm system in the 1970s, but then in the 1980s or early 1990s the Edwards 6616 replaced whatever the old Simplex panel was (probably a 4207 or 4208), along with those Edwards heat sensors, and some of the Simplex bells got replaced with newer bells over time. And now everything comes out in favor of the Notifier NFS-320C.
I'm reminded of how the Liberal Arts and Humanities buildings at my college recently went through such an upgrade. They were originally built in 1978 with Simplex 4207 fire alarm systems, with 4051+4050-80 horn/lights, 4255-1 and 4265 heat sensors and those same 4251-20 single-action pulls. Then in 2005 a Faraday MPC-7000 system was installed to cover both buildings, with Space Age Electronics VA4 horn/strobes, Faraday FireSmart smoke and heat detectors and addressable 8700-M "Chevron" pulls (that had dual-action adapter covers installed in 2008.) Then this summer both buildings each had their own Notifier system installed, probably an NFS-320 (an FDU-80 annunciator was installed in each building's entrance near the electrical rooms where the panels were installed), with those same System Sensor L-series horn/strobes, FSP-951 smoke detectors and NBG-12LX pulls. The rest of the college campus already mostly had Notifier systems installed, and so after being out of the loop for quite a while I am glad these two buildings finally hopped on the Notifier bandwagon!
Maybe this school was built in the early 1960s
Just as a side note, installers do not decide what volume setting to put the devices on. Your judgement of what is appropriate for the space is just as irrelevant as the selection of the devices themselves. I've been installing for four years and I have always been told that if a lower volume setting is required, it will be marked on the drawings. Elsewise, we do not touch the volume selector. I am glad you decided to revert that horn strobe back to high volume. If someone failed to hear that device for whatever reason, anything that happened to said individual would fall on you. Be cautious and know that the decisions you make can (and often do) impact the wellbeing and safety of others. On a much more positive note, the video is very well made and you are doing great work!
We had to install more horn strobes anyways because it failed the decibel test when we went around and checked volume in places
Now that I think of it the last two schools that were replaced We set them on low volume and in some of the schools I’ve turn down the volume where they’ve been louder than necessary I don’t think it should be done but it seems to be
@@nics-systems-electric I think that’s a good approach. I would only use the volume switch under the circumstance that db exceeds 100
There’s something just so satisfying about watching these get replaced
16:42 Not everyone commented about this but I like how there's a STOP sign right underneath the pull station as it will STOP kids from pulling the fire alarm for fun!
Yeah I don’t think that would stop anyone if they wanted to lol
If only it was that easy
I have a question. If the building has left over Brand New pull stations. Do you ever keep them or do they use them for something else? Nice video!
There was not any leftover but there was some left over heat detectors which were saved as spare parts and some of them when we did our verification did not work so we needed to get replaced I think I kept one or two of the functioning ones
@@nics-systems-electric you verified your own work? Or do you just mean you tested it before a fire alarm company did an official verification?
@@The1025RChannel Can’t remember how it worked out
Okay. I was just curious because I know in most places in Canada a verification has to be done by someone other than the installing contractor. An electrical contractor does the work and then a fire alarm company comes in after to verify it. Retrofits can sometimes be a grey area though.
@@The1025RChannel Yes I remember there was a certain way of verifying it legally as there was two parties basically the fire alarm company and the school district electricians who I was with
My old middle school had an nfs-320 panel. Never seen this version before.
Mom can we have an Edwards 6616
Mom: We have a Edwards 6616
The Edwards 6616 at home:
Beep
Beep
Beep
Beep
Beep
It’s a crying shame taking down those bells, they’re the best!
At My old school, only some alarms where replaced at a time, like we had Spectraalert classics, system sensor mass’s, bg12s, 7001s, chevron pulls, bg-8s (some older style), and some probably Mechanical wheelock horns not on light or strobe plates installed at the same time, there was also a fire bell but idk if it still works or not. And only the Spectraalerts did code 3, the rest did continuous.
Cool
Sounds like a mess of a system
@@DanTDMJace it really is
20:09 Funny enough, I think us Canadian enthusiasts rately see them because its because you need FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APROVAL to install them here! That so fucking dumb!
I wonder who told you about that...
@@Twentythree33 XD
A library I went to had an old Simplex system with 4251-20s and Simplex 6 inch bells and 9101 strobe plates but the only difference was that the new system was not Notifier, it was a EST system with the new G4AVRF LEDs and EST SIGA-278 pull stations.
Interesting video. Cool that u can work with ur district. What are you gonna do with all of the old devices? Can't wait for more parts!
I only kept newer heat detectors and bells and pull stations
School system upgrade videos are awesome!
Yes go to the new construction branch, it's so fun
Idk what it is, but whenever I install a Notifier FSP-951-IV, it’s so satisfying.
The way you slide the mounting base one way and then slide it the other way and then just tighten your screws and it's all done is really satisfying for sure
Replacing Edward's panels are the most satisfying panel swaps. Keep up the great content!
Thanks
My school’s fire alarm system is due to be replaced because a lot of devices fault and the firesheild panel either keeps crashing or keeps breaking. Idk why but firesheilds tend to be bad but very common here in the east part of canada
my school has sprinkler system and fire alarm system.Brand is Agni 4 zone panel
My school has an addressable system but the art room has that recalled heat detector.
That is my dream job right there
Are you going to become a Sparky?
@@nics-systems-electric idk what is it called in the U.S, but I found a job where you install and test fire alarm systems. Iirc it is just a fire alarm technician, but it depends on what you do depending on who you work for
With all the bandages and everything on your arms etc you should be awarded a purple heart or whatever the Canadian equivalent is
It was because I crashed an electric scooter doing like 40 kilometre per hour lol
@@nics-systems-electric why do people let paint drip on the pull station
@@ajsmusic723 probably was an accident or the painters just didn’t care
@@nics-systems-electric ok
WHEN YOU THREW THE BOX FOR THE SMOKE DETECTOR 1 💀💀
I hope you get paid some money for it
Oh dang, lots of rare stuff. What was done with the old devices?
Threw out most of them but I kept a couple ones that I wanted
@@nics-systems-electric Nice
@@nics-systems-electric damn you should have kept them all and sold em
@@FourtyFiftyEighty Old recalled dirty and damaged devices?
@@nics-systems-electric Just sell them on eBay.
The high school I went to has horn strobes (if that's what they're called) in every room pretty much, and also has the intercom announcement.
Yeah. Their hornstrobes.
When will this happen to my school 😭😭😭😭 we literally had bells for so many years and then final year on ONE FLOOR (for first year students) got an upgrade 💁♀️🤦
I have a question, what usually happens to fire alarm devices that got replaced?
Usually they are thrown out or recycled
@@nics-systems-electric also I forgot to mention that at my high school which has ceiling mount red spectralert advances on a notifier system kept going in alarm due to a malfunctioning smoke detector so they had to replace it, what usually happens to smoke detectors that causes the system to go in alarm?
What a great and cool day!! It's so nice that you get the chance to do this!! What brand was the old panel? That was a addressable or conventional panel? Stay safe and have fun!! ...
Thanks old panel was a Edwards 6616 which is conventional
Does those smoke detectors have radioactive material in them like a normal house alarm
No that is only ionization detectors these are photoelectric
@@nics-systems-electricwait in the video in the pull station packages I see a key for every pull station. Are they all different or does 1 key work for all
@@donotprikel all notifier products take the same key
Now I know how the Leo Hayes high school fire alarm got replaced q long time ago
0:30 that’s gotta be tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment there.
Definitely
My school only changed the pull stations
Duing my Seiner walk back in the day one of the FCI MS 2 they had in my Elementary school one of them was replaced with a Gamewell Pullstation which is similar to the Notifier BG12
I dislike bells those are what my school currently have along with some System sensor SR remote strobes.
7:34 Loudest pull station open ever
we have to run and use fire alarm wiring with the red outer jacket for all our devices the older systems used white wire labeled ul listed smoke alarm signal wiring on the outer jackets with positive and negative marked
I can’t wait for the test lol
Very cool can’t wait for the rest
I think the old pull station is better it’s so satisfying I’ve pulled like 50 of them in my life time
2:40 what about running it for a few more seconds by activating with its power off? You gotta drain whatever power it has left, there could be some residual electrical charges 😭
Wouldn't do anything batteries are unplugged AC is off even if it wasn't 24 vdc isn't gonna get you
i thought the smokes were firelite!
did not know notifier made those too
You can’t legally use fire lite on a notifier system all components have to be notifier or system sensor
@@nics-systems-electric oh
I always turned the address switches back and forth to wipe the contacts
damn that is a lotta alarms, imagine if you owned them
Looks like an early grades school
They should teach 10s and 1s place with the pull stations!
K-5
@@nics-systems-electric they could do that… although that’s not a good idea lol
Invalid response every 5 seconds
Keep up the good work on here mate am a big fan of u do a rally good job on RUclips keep up there good work on RUclips
I have the Old simplex t Bars
im watching all of your videos. KEEP UP AWESOME CONTENT :)
The heat decter looks like a orange strobe
Hey Pickle 700, Why Is The Fire Alarm System Being Replaced, Is It Just Old And Broken Down, Or Is It For Other Reasons?
Old system has an issue in the bored and communication issues to the annunciator so it stays in trouble beeping
@@nics-systems-electric Ok, So It's A Constant Trouble Issue, Ok That Makes Sense. That Could Be Really Problematic For The System To Stay In The Constant Intermitted Trouble, It Could Make The System Inoperable And That Would Be Really Bad.
I like the old pull station
16:00 How are you able to work steady with that height? I would easily fall off.
Just used to doing it a lot I guess
why didnt you leave the simplex pull station and add a adressible module to it??
because they where replacing everything for addressable devices but had mini mods and cheap system sensor heats in wet areas, as Pickle 700 said "These are the rules that I did not make,"
Why the heck would we upgrade an entire system but not two pull stations I understand you like Simplex but this is the real world
@@nics-systems-electric my high school kept the four FCI MS-2’s in the auditorium, even though the new system is a Simplex 4100U. But I agree, it doesn’t make sense
Simplex t bars are hard to open
when you said "the painters wont be happy about that" i am saying OFCORSE THEIR HAPPY The More Work The More MOOOOOLAHHHHHHH $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
creating unnecessary work for school district painters tends to piss them off. they already have enough to do over the summer etc. you start adding annoying touchups etc to their workload, its a good way to get on their bad side
@@harveylong5878 What i said is they are getting more money!
I might consider doing this job as well. Great video! I love seeing fire alarm replacements.
@i support carlos So when the first EST system breaks then replace it with another EST system lol
@i support carlos we don’t use EST anymore they have been too unreliable we are going notifier
@@nics-systems-electric that person is an "obsessed idiot" with est stuff he is in a bunch of comments sections telling people to throw away their firelite or notifier systems and get est systems he will get over it someday
@i support carlos uh, no.. simplex Is amazing1!!1!1!!!1!1!!
@@alexgilbert2 yeah Simplex old products used to be real good but now their company has gone to crap
Wow lots of old parts to keep which parts did you keep?
I only kept the stuff I wanted like pull stations bells and the newer system sensor he detectors
@@nics-systems-electric you didn’t want the panel?
@@nathanbirnofficial no I don’t want a panel in constant trouble
See ok u do a rally good job on here mate keep up there good work on here
I'd be interested in one of those old bells and silver heat detectors if you guys don't need them. They have super awesome collector value.
All the heat detectors went in the garbage
That's too bad but no bells either?
What year did this school open? My first elementary school kept the pull stations in the same locations but used new wiring for the indicators. My 2nd elementary school and middle school re wired the new system to install
Mid 60s
@@nics-systems-electric thank you. My 2nd elementary school opened in 65 and got upgraded to est integrity after expanding and eventually replaced them with the genesis. And hopefully my high school didn't keep the 1949 wiring when renovating in the late 90s.
Cool
How come over that side of the pond heat detectors are so frequently used? Over here in the UK everything is smoke detection or multisensors. Surely by the time a heat detector goes off the damage will already be done?
Yeah you don’t see them much in new buildings just old ones where you would usually have sprinklers but if there’s not sprinklers you use heats in place of sprinklers as they both detect heat just one only activates a system one also put water out
@@nics-systems-electric ah interesting. Whenever a system gets upgraded over here the main change is usually detection. When they replaced the system at my school, they went from opticals in the corridors only to opticals and multis basically everywhere.
I want to see you install a voice evacuation system.
Probably won't ever see it as voice evacuation is only required in medical facilities and high-rise buildings
Hello sir, do you ever replace old Simplex panels? I'm a collector who will be getting into the field as a career soon and I'm looking for a 4002, 4004, or 4005. I also collect used devices so if you ever have a few old horns or notification devices I would love to save them from the garbage. Preserving this old equipment is important to me as I build demo systems for every panel I have. I currently have a 4001 and a 4010. I'm also looking for an FCI 7100. Thanks for your great videos!
I only work in my school district so we only replaceable one system a year we only have two Simplex systems one is only five years old so it will be there for a while unless it keeps having issues the other simplex system is a little older being 1996 but isn’t the highest priority to get done so I unfortunately won’t be removing any Simplex systems for a while
@@nics-systems-electric I see, thank you for your reply. If that 1996 system ever gets replaced I'd be interested in the panel and a few devices. I love this old Simplex stuff. My email is in the about page if you ever wish to contact me. I am also interested in something like an FCI 7100 or a Notifier panel as I have a few addressable modules for those that I was given a few years ago.
Hate it when the customer doesn’t wanna pay for new wire. Most generally the old wire is ran like shit. If it was a grandfather fire alarm system
Nothing wrong with the old wire here and it’s not like you can non-destructively Re-pull bx I suppose you could re-pull everything that is in pipe but wouldn’t be any point of it really
Can you do part 2
Yo I said in the video there was going to be part two and the title of this video is part one so of course it’s going to be part two
When?
@@Samthe17 Wednesday
@@nics-systems-electric WOW people never read titles and descriptions, I dont know why.
@@ajsmusic723 True I’m always extra careful to read titles and descriptions and watch the whole video before I comment a question
Were those aluminum wires I saw behind that one pull station?
No it was all copper I thought the same thing at first but it’s just discoloured from the insulation
My middle school has a elevator and very old alarms so do they need to have voice evacuation and replace them
Totally depends on where you are
I know I am kinda stating the obvious, but did some portions of the system have to get rewired when the system was converted to Addressable?
No iso-6 was installed where the zones were tied into to turn them into addressable
@@nics-systems-electric Ahhh, I see.
You’re the best
Did you save any of those 4251s?
Yes I kept both of them one of them was cracked though
@@nics-systems-electric are You willing to sell or trade the cracked one?
@@CJ9899 we’ll see not sure. I might have to get rid of some of the devices as I have too many now right now they’re still sitting in a cardboard box on the floor lol typically I’ve never sold anything as that would give away my location as where it’s coming from
@@nics-systems-electric I’m not sure if Canada has PO Boxes, but if so that could be something to consider
@@HenBasketFireAlarms I’m not really good with all that stuff so I’ve just never bothered
Did you get to keep some of the old Devices and the panel?
Yes I took the new heat detectors all the pull stations and all the bells I did not keep the panel as it doesn’t function
This Was Interesting You Earned A Sub
Thanks I appreciate it
What Happened To The Simplex T-Bars?
@@Vigilance108 There was only two of them I took them with me
Oh Ok Thanks
How did you get to do that???
Because I work with the electrical department of my school district
@@nics-systems-electric how can I do that??? With my district
@@ScantPear I am not sure it’s a very unique position that I am in I am the first one in my district to have ever done it it isn’t really a program or anything it was just knowing the right people and fighting with management to get it to be allowed it is not a paid thing
@@nics-systems-electric oh ok but a high school in my district is getting a new system and the old one has spectralerts and I really want the spectralerts badly…
@@ScantPear You could ask worse they can say is they can’t give it to you
I'm pretty sure NewAgeServerAlarm had that Notifier panel
May be a 320 probably not a 320 C that’s what I have and what was in the school
@@nics-systems-electric you are correct, I forgot about that not being a C model
@@nics-systems-electric I’m curious about the difference between the models?
@@dexterthewulf3637 not much other than the cabinet/panel has room for zone annunciation and maybe small program differences but I’m not sure
Is The spectra alert classic more quieter than the advance?
Not sure I just know they’re a different tone
Question with the old devices what do you do with them
Keep ones I want and throw out the rest
18:53 is that a single stroke bell that you just took down?
Non of them were
Give me a fire alarm 🚨
Sure you can buy them on eBay
So the wiring they put in the building under construction is any time of fire alarm
what are you asking exactly?
@@nics-systems-electric so the wiring inside the fire alarm the red and blue were already made for any type of alarm
Why in the world is a video of a dude replacing fire alarms in HDR?! XD
144p HDR
You can tell my guy don’t believe In gloves
Nah I wear gloves if it's rough work but just a fire alarm replacement isn't that crazy unless I'm in some sort of horrible place my hand was just messed up in this video because I crashed on an electric scooter doing like 45KPH
I want to help you with the fire alarm system replacement please 🙏
I have questions do you will keep old fire alarm or can’t keep
I keep the stuff I want and throw out the rest
Oh ok
@@nics-systems-electric but does can I keep some ?
Do you ever get to keep the old equipment???
Yes but I don’t usually keep everything just stuff I want if I can save it in time usually I’m quick enough and get a box and put the stuff I want in it and just write on it Nic’s stuff
Is system sensor and notifier the same company?
No but they are compatible with each other
Will the new panel do fire suppression as well?
We have no fire suppression in the building but you could monitor sprinklers or a type of releasing system
okay
Hi mate how are u ok mate u do a rally good job on here mate keep up there good work on here
Hey, thanks
What year is that simplex bell at 18:41 from?
Not sure
Did you get to keep any of the bells
yes i did keep the old bells
Holy moley man what’s with all the cuts and band-aids bro, u look like you’ve been at war.
Yeah I crashed on an electric scooter lol
Dang bro
2:16 what on earth happened to your hand
Crashed on a electric scooter
@@nics-systems-electric ouch. what's your worst injury if you don't mind me asking?
@@J19_vlogger74 As far as stuff that will never heal that was probably my worst injury
@@nics-systems-electric good to hear you not getting hurt too bad, mine was a chuck of metal flying across the room and split my hand open about an inch.
@@J19_vlogger74 that’s not good how did that happen? the hand that was all scratched and bleeding is healed but my other hand I landed on I can’t move it quite as far as I used to and it clicks and sometimes hurts lol
I hear you said it was lit on fire by an arson, Did the alarms go of when it was lit on fire?
I would say so
@@nics-systems-electric oh ok
So at my school back in 2nd grade we had a fire drill after we came in it goes off again speakers go on and say stay in your class room while we fix this ok if goes off again so they call the class room mine and want me so I went down there and the panel was fried
Look at his hand😳 Dude what happened
Crashed an electric scooter doing40 km/h
@@nics-systems-electric I feel ur pain cis that has happened to me before bit like 30 or 40 km/h
19:42, they are a lot quieter
I like fire alarm simple