FREE Cat 977, Episode 2 - MASSIVE DAMAGE DISCOVERED!!!
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2024
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Well, now I know why it was free!!! In this episode, I detail the significant damage with the Free Caterpillar 977 that will be really painful and really expensive to fix! I sure hope it doesn't end up as a parts machine!
If anyone has any parts for sale, please post up a comment!
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Thanks!!!
Scott 
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Contact Matt at Diesel Creek for information on the 977 for help with figuring out how to find parts and repair. He's very knowledgeable and loves old iron.
Yes sir, because diesel creek Matt has one like this.
Yep. I'm familiar with Matt @Diesel Creek. Thanks for the input. Scott
Two things come to mind for this project- 1) availability of a decently priced final drive (probably used) 2) having either a crane, forklift, excavator, etc to be able to split the track and lift the final out. I’m not saying that it can’t be done otherwise, but it’s extremely dangerous without the right equipment.
This loader is a good candidate to be fixed (way better than that old cable dozer you worked on before), and I’d love to see you fix it up if possible.
Hi Derrick - I have found a few used finals - one in MO and a few in CA - I'll end up getting one of these unless something pops up in TX. As for the safety concerns, I absolutely want to do this on concrete and with a forklift. Not in a big rush, so I've got time to do this right. Thanks for the input! Scott
I'm no Cat expert, but I am a farmer and logger and have run and fixed a lot of old iron. Right there you have a pretty heavy duty hydraulic jack to get the front end free and clear a couple of feet off the ground and run some railroad ties or steel I beams right through just a bit off center front to back. Then just ease her down off the loader bucket and let her set on the beams with the track a few inches off the ground. Not ideal, but a field fix, so you can get the track apart and laid out and start unbolting the rest...worst case just clock her up and dig out under the track to get some airspace. At least dirt digs, concrete is hard to shovel out. If you get the drive off and apart, you may be able to have shafts, gears, etc built up and remachined at a machine shop cheaper than buying new at Cat dealer. or find a scrap drive and get the parts you need. But I'm just a farmer.
Well, it's on concrete now; I moved it to my new shop several days ago. I'll post up a video soon with details. I think I'm going to need a complete used final; either use as-is or scavenge parts from it. Thanks for the input, Scott
Down on the fuel pump on the right hand side, normally there will be a little oblong plate about 1'' by 3/4; with two screws in there will be the sevice meter with the hours.
Yeah, I thought about that after I made that comment. I'll check next time I'm out there. Thanks for the input! Scott
The idea is you get a few machines, so you have enough parts to keep one running!
I hear you, but I'd prefer to just have one good one! Thanks, Scott
I would think that even if it cost 10,000 dollars, you would still be ahead . That's if you have the extra to invest in it! It's a mean machine. Thanks for the video.
Well, I'm still working on parts availability. More to follow! Thanks, Scott
That machine brings back memories. I ran one just like it i 1973 and 73. I was 19 years old and I thought that was the greatest thing. I would see if I could find a used final drive and fix it. The rest of the machine seen pretty good. Chuck ACMOC member
Hey Chuck - Good to see an ACMOC member here. I have located a few finals; one from an ACMOC member out on the west coast. Hope to get one on the way soon. Thanks, Scott
Well, as an observer sitting on the sidelines, based on what problems we know about, I'd say replacing the rs final would be a great start. There are some unknowns here, hopefully no ugly surprises, but I would say that you have a keeper that needs some love and some effort. The thing about any machine, much less an old one, is that they will always need. Always need effort (labor), and always need parts. If you are diligent with the effort, it can forestall the need for parts. Of course, fluids can fall under the "parts" category, but fluids are not designed to last forever. Keeping fluids clean and at the intended level can help keep parts from prematurely wearing out and failing. Grease and oils are cheaper than rebuilding, but it's inevitable that parts will be required as the hours mount up.
I hope you move forward with the project. I love to see machines live on and on.
Hi Stan - Thanks for the detailed input. I certainly plan to save it, so I hope that I don't find any more surprises! Scott
I wouldn’t hesitate fixing that machine. There great old loaders, I don’t think you’ll go wrong.
Thanks, Russell! Appreciate the input. Scott
1st thanks for serving,!!! 2nd great music,!!! 3rd if it sounds to good to be true, well lll 4th great video!!!
Thanks for your support!!! Scott
Still cheaper than owning a boat!
So true! I've still got scar tissue from a 45' boat that I owned years ago!!! Scott
Or a Harley
@@rickcoleman8903 - Are you sure about that??? I've never owned a Harley; just seems that a vintage track loader could be a lot more expensive. Scott
It looks like the model & serial No. to the machine is above your head and to the left when sitting in the drivers seat.
@@soupcampbell3583 - that would be the serial number for the ROPS. Thanks, Scott
Carry a spare fuel filter - if the Fuel Pressure Gauge starts heading into the Red - she's getn ready for a fresh filter !1- a Filter Strap and Ratchet is needed or your Belt from round your waist to remove the filter.
The Hour Meter i believe is on the Fuel Pump.
Under the fuel pump is a Banjo /Thumb Wheel - unscrew it to find a Gauze fuel filter which get gummed up.
Good point on the fuel filter. Yes, the hour meter is on the engine; forgot to check there for it. I'll check for the fuel filter under the fuel pump. Thanks for the input! Scott
Found your channel on the Will it start on this 977 from a youtube suggested video. Sub'd and will start watching.
Welcome aboard, Gary! Scott
Nice work. Hang in there.
Thanks!
Why would you buy a new air filter if it’s going to be a parts machine. Also, the way you were talking at the end I feel like you have already decided to fix it, so in that case I’ve subbed so I can watch the repairs. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
At this point, I'm planning to fix it. I just moved it to my new shop. Details to follow. Thanks, Scott
That machine should be worth the money to repair it, especially with the amount you paid for it.
I agree! Thanks for the input, Scott
@@THEBULLETPROOFGARAGE LOL, my name is Lane, from Mississippi, i have a IH175B Payloader, but wish i had that 977, those things are awesome and very desired all over the US.
@@user-um6qj6zt3n - Hey Lane - where in Mississippi? I'm from Slidell/Pearl River, LA, but my family is from MS - Jackson, Laurel, Hattiesburg. Scott
Other than the final damage witch is bad enough I believe she's worth repairing she seems to still have plenty of life left in her.
I agree! More details to follow soon! Scott
I enjoy watching these type videos of getting equipment running and going again but I would not have a clue how to fix large equipment like that.
It's not terribly difficult to figure out; same concepts as smaller machines, just bigger parts. Scott
First, you need to find the maintenance and repair manuals and parts lists for your model. Without that information, you will probably do more damage than good. Or you end up with a pile of parts that you don't know how to put back together to make it work again...
@@ProtonOne11 - I have the OMI, parts manual, and service manual now. Thanks
Awesome!!!!!!
Hey Dec - good to see you here. Scott
If you need the machine and it’s cheaper to repair than to purchase one that’s in operating condition then it’s worth fixing.
Well, I hope it's going to be cheaper. I'll know soon enough! Thanks for the input. Scott
If you can find parts that can be refurbished at a good price it might be worth it
I think so, too! Thanks for the input, Scott
What are you worried about the air filter for when you need a final drive
I see your point, but I didn't want to run it much if the air cleaner is plugged up. Thanks
You'll need a 50 ton puller press to fix sprocket plus a strong back and a thick wallet. The rest of the under carridge?? LD18 had to replace the Torque converter on his 977 that was a a bigg job too.
Hi David - I have access to a factory Cat 50 ton press/puller with all the accessories. The undercarriage isn't great; we'll talk about that on a future episode. Thanks, Scott
Hay gentlemen there's a heavy equipment part yard in cold springs tex they might have the parts your looking for and there's others but the in the northeast I would guess because I saw snow on the tube just thought it might help
Thanks, Mark! I'll check them out. Scott
The hour meter is probably on the engine. Look towards the front of the block on either side.
Yep, totally forgot to check there. Thanks, Scott
Worth saving, try to find a scrap parts machine to keep costs down on parts. Your machine looks tidy apart from the obvious faults . Its fixable though
I agree! Thanks for the input, Scott
You're all over the place! As shiny as the bottom rollers and rails are that moved way too much before you started checking fluids! Get after the right final and you will have a machine.
Thanks for the input.
I have fixed similar problems before on a cat d6 dozer wasn’t crazy expensive
Alec - Yep, I don't expect it to be too expensive, just fairly involved with fixing broken bolts and moving heavy stuff. Thanks
Well I watched your first video in your second video you still haven't stated the obvious, the right hand drive is the original drive on it, someone has already changed the left-hand sprocket and hub assembly if you notice it has sprocket segments on it and the other one is still an old original spoke wheel.
I would definitely bust that side open that's locked up and dry before I spent any money whatsoever. If all of that crap is rusted shut just close it up and parted out. Don't fall in love with that engine cranking right away, because that's the cheapest part of the whole dozer.
I have a 977, although a lot newer, it's a mid 1980s model and those old loader dozers get these hell ran out of them in short burst.
Somebody pulls into a rock pit they crank it up cold gap wide open for five minutes loading the truck and go kill it.
Not like a dozer where it's cranked up in the morning and runs all day long at a constant temperature and RPM
Pretty sure that I mentioned in the first video that one side had bolt on segments and the other didn't. Anyway, I'm moving the 977 to my new shop this weekend and then I'll get to work. Thanks for the input. Scott
You could be like the federal government and not let the amount of money you spend stop your project !! Although you sound way to intelligent to take that approach anyway.
I like the way you think! I just retired from the Army after 26 years, so I'm familiar with Government overspending!!! Scott
fix the bloody thing , if i wasn't so far away id love to help ya boss.
That's the plan, Paul. Thanks for the input! Scott
Dig a hole under the left final drive, large enough to fit an oil drain pan. No forklift is needed.
BTW. Keep it. Or sell it outright. Don't part it out. To much labor involved by doing that.
Fix it or sell it.
Not much of a chance of me parting it out. I don't have the equipment, time, or facilities to do that. Good point on the oil pan. Thanks, Scott
Hit up Matt at Diesel Creek.
Matt is a long way from Texas...
Fix it , it’s not that big of deal it will last you a lifetime got to have concrete to jack it up . If you had engine problems different story. Go for it. I use to operate a977 many years ago it’s strong and dependable and made a lot of money with no problems but it was new so fix her right !Go
Well, I do have concrete now! Details to follow in the next video. Scott
the price of new machine is over 100k if you can fix for 10k would be good
That's my kind of math. Thanks for the input. Scott
Fix it it's expensive to buy a new machine it's a classic collection item.
I like the way you think, Adam! Thanks for the input, Scott
I would get a hold of a company called general gear they may have all the parts you need at a reasonable price
I have heard of General Gear - the only issue is that they're out of Idaho, I think, so shipping would be rough. Thanks for the comment, Scott
I had to get a front roller fork off of them..part was cheap shipping was expensive if I do recall for my Allis Chalmers hd6 track loader..you can also try Clark enterprises there pretty reasonable on heavy equipment parts
So are you saying the LARGE PAPERWEIGHT is a work in progress or parts machine! Tear down sell as parts,if engine is okay you are doing well PILGRIMS ??
Engine is fine. Undercarriage and final drive is another story, unfortunately. Still have a bit more digging to do, but my plan is to fix it. Thanks, Scott
Think it may be cheaper to use it as parts and buy another.
Probably so, but I may still fix it. Thanks for the input, Scott
Might have to have a left and right, this is what it sounds like so far, the way you're talkin.
That's what I'm worried about, Ron. Thanks for the input. Scott
It needs to be at least stripped down to find out what is truly bad and what can be fixed before any definite plans are made
I think you're right. I was all set to source a complete final, but now the plan is to tear it down first. thanks, Scott
1961 build
Thanks! I figured it was 1960 or 1961 based on the serial number. It has lever steer, dry steering clutches as well. Scott
Sad but parts machine
I sure hope not! Thanks, Scott
@@THEBULLETPROOFGARAGE there is a demand for machinery without all those sensors and computer interactions. There are people that prefer old models.
@@thomaswolff-ef7vj - Yep. I'm one of those people. Thanks, Scott
Fixer up
I plan to! Thanks
Where is this machine located approximately?
It's in central Texas.
It runs good. I'd fix it.
You and I think alike!
Let us know what kind of costs you estimate to get her functional. Whats scrap metal worth these days?
Hey Bill - Please don't use the S word! On the parts, a used final drive is going to cost $2000 - $4000 + shipping. She'll need more bits, of course, but that's the big expense. Thanks, Scott
And I though Ford trucks were hassle!
Ha! Lots of fun to be had with heavy equipment, Roy! Scott
Fix it
That's the plan! Thanks, Scott
ITS ONLY MONEY. FIX IT UP THEN SELL IT.
I like the way you think! Scott
It was free so fix it
That's the plan. Thanks
Why you are spending t8me and money on service parts like air filter when you have a Bluetooth right hand drive is beyond me.
haven't bought the air filter yet... Thanks, Scott
It’s confusing when you say awesome news , which should be good news, but when you say awesome news, you really mean bad news
That’s confusing 🤔
Hi David - it's called sarcasm... Thanks, Scott