Why These Canadian Airlines Planes Still Exist
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2022
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In the middle of the Canadian Prairies at Saskatoon John G. Diefenbaker Airport are a dozen or so Fokker F-28s, in the livery of Canadian Regional Airlines.
But why exactly are these old planes sitting in Saskatoon, in the livery of an airline that hasn't existed for almost 20 years?
Time Air Historical Society: www.timeairhs.ca
With many thanks to the Saskatchewan Aviation Museum for their help: saskaviation.ca
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[1] Canadian and Air Canada merger timeline: publications.gc.ca/Collection...
Air Canada - The History, by Peter Pigott (Dundurn Press, 2014)
[2a] p. 253
[2b] p. 179
[2c] p. 278-279
[3] Time Air Historical Society: www.timeairhs.ca
[4] Historical Canadian Civil Aircraft Register: wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...
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Those are some big Fokkers.
I wonder how big the wheel is compared to me
good idea
Thank you for this! When I was a kid, Canadian Airlines was one of my core memories. Every glance of that red chevron at the airport meant that something wonderful was just around the corner...either picking up a loved one from far away, or going on an adventure in the sky.
Looking forward to (hopefully) more Canadian Airlines history on your channel!
As a native Saskatoonian, I was always curious how our winter city became an airplane graveyard.
Thanks for some great info!
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@@Johnthelittlebuilder thanks
It's a funny name Me an English speaker. This city name is funny
Thank you for your great report, Alex! We appreciate your support. Hope we can have you down to CYQL, when we reassemble the F-28 in only a few weeks time (end of May, 2022)!
I’ve seen these aircraft many times and always wondered why they’re still at YXE. Appreciated the info, the history of Time Air, and the link to the restoration project!
Yes we do want the natural followup to this one with the ONEX battle for Canadian and eventually WestJet...
Saskatoon Aviation Museum had an Aviation Days summer 2021 and had Fokker F28 C-GTIZ on display with visitor access, if I am not mistaken Time Air Historical Society was involved in that one as well.
Yes it was, we are looking to have TAV in Lethbridge this year for it's first airshow in years as well and be on display for everyone to come and board and take a view of this amazing aircraft. As well C-GTIZ will hopefully still be in Saskatoon for the Aviation days again this year before we move it also back to Alberta. Thank you for the support!
What a great video, thanks. I was so sorry to see Canadian being merged with AC - we all knew where this was going to end! On a separate note, I absolutely loved the good old F-28. I managed to log in quite a few flights on it during the '80s and '90s, even though it was never a particularly common jet, neither over here in Europe. It was a delightful aircraft, which offered a nice spacious cabin (far better than the CRJ) that compared favourably even to bigger planes like the DC-9 or the MD-80.
Always wondered every time I drive by the airport why the F28s were “dumped” there. Now I know. Thanks for the video.
I worked for Canadian Regional years ago. Was a great company to work for. Those F28s were excellent aircraft.
I remember flying the F28 with Ansett Australia in and out of Canberra. Ansett finally came to an end in 2001, unable to survive the onslaught of the recently privatised Qantas - rather similar to Canadian and Air Canada.
Hey Alex, fascinating video. When your script is as factually dense as this, you may want to consider making some sort of chart/visualization. It gets quite confusing when there is so much information packed into such a short time!
I work at Lethbridge and C-FTAV just arrived at YQL last week! I'm excited to be able to watch it be put back together and hopefully throughout the years, restored nicely!
Not all of the CP fleet went to Air Canada. The CP North fleet was sold to first nations and never went to AC. And Inter Canadien had a storied past with some times being independantly owned and competing, intendenatly onwed at acting as feeder/code share, and some times being onwed by Canadian Regional/Canadian Airlines. Not long before its death, CP sold Inter Canadian to 3rd party but maintained it as feeder carrier. (this gave CP some cash to survive).
So at the time AC bought CP, as CP didn't own Inter Canadien, its fleet and employees were not transfered, and Air Canada did not hired Inter Canadien as feeder carrier. The airline declared bankruptcy and faililng to find a way out, then declared liquidation.
At that time, it had 2 F28s undergoing heavy maintenance in Trois Rivières (IIRC) with aircraft in pieces in shop floor. The maintenance company could not touch parts until liquidation would be decided, but not only was maintenance company not getting paid for those, but the presence of "frozen" aircraft in its hangar meant it could not perform other schedule work for other customers, so it had to go to the Inter Canadien bankruptcy judge for help. The IC creditors agreed to pay to finish the work to rebuild the F28s. These F28, fresh out of a rebuild quickly found buyers (private) and the creditors ended up ahead of the expenses of paying to finish the maintance compared to selling the parts,. (I beleive their 3rd F28 was sold too).
The F28 was a VERY loud aircraft. And not only were hushkits not available, but Fokker had gone out of business of making aircraft.
I was one on a 1 hour flight YYZ-YUL after 20 hours of flying from Australia (SYD-HNL-YYZ) and trust me, you don't ever want to take an F28, especially not in row 13 right next to the engine. If you're up front, they aren't so bar, but in the back, they were probably causing permanenet damage to ears.
The ATR42s were fine. (some of them went to replace the HS748 in for First Air).
I was on a few F28's from Saskatoon to Calgary and Vancouver back in 2000 and 2001.
You more then likely flew on our aircraft in the video C-FTAV, the aircraft is called "The Spirit of Saskatoon" and it regularly flew out of Saskatoon everyday according to it's log books.
Thanks Alex. I wondered what happened to them. I worked for Canadian/Air Canada cleaning these aircraft on night shift at YYC Hanger 101. TIZ was a plane with a couple of accidents (ran off a runway and fell off a truck when being moved) and some coworkers wouldn't fly on it, even to the point of ticking off a spouse having to wait for a later flight on another plane LOL. I hope one will be preserved. Thanks!
I was the only passenger on a Time Air DHC-7 when the pilot showed off a little with a “watch this” super-stol” landing. It was amazing.
My dad was flying for them at the time. We still have old Time Air sweaters too 😆. Canadian had JUST started putting out their new paint job on the tail, a stylized Canada Goose. We lived in S'toon and just had to watch and mourn the beautiful F-28's rotting away, their parts sold piece by piece.
That black Deville DTS though 😍
As a former CRA/Jazz employee I was fortunate to fly on these jets. As mentioned elsewhere, they were spacious in comparison to other short-haul jets. Our pilots always said the F-28 was a joy to fly, like a sportscar in the air. They were awfully loud inside and out however. Thanks for this excellent retrospective.
6:29 still has the Linjeflyg logo on it, incredible
Noticed that too, but what's interesting is that that aircraft (C-FTAV) never flew for Linjeflyg, nor did any of the other F-28's in the fleet. And none of Alpha Victor's previous operators had any ex Linjeflyg F-28's either. So I can't help but wonder where that yoke came from.
Excellent info, love learning this stuff ,, my step Grandma worked for Canadian for a long time( I have a rampie parka somewhere) lol ,, and my Grandpa flew for nordair after his time in the RCAF flying sabres and then C-46’s for DEW line operations ,, and later had an aviation consulting business called AVCON Aviation based out of Calgary
Great research (as usual) on Canadian aviation. Thanks Alex.
This indeed is a step back in history. My husband worked for CP Air and also Canadian. Those were wonderful times.
Very interesting Alex ... I flew, at one time or the other almost all of the carriers you mentioned. It certainly is a reminder of how large a factor consolidation has been in the Canadian airline industry.
Great video. I arrived Calgary airport 1959 and saw many airlines come and go and their choice of aircraft. I’m looking forward to your next video.
I applaud your effort in making this video. 👏
C-FTAV was also on another F-28 operated by Transair in the 70's except it was CF-TAV back then and that aircraft left the fleet in 79.
Very interesting--thank you! I recall flying in an F28, I believe from Winnipeg to Edmonton or else may have transferred to it in Saskatoon. There was a full cabin and somewhere in the Saskatoon area, we hit Clear Air Turbulence CAT. It was VERY strong and at one point the aircraft began porpoising, the nose and tail sections going rapidly up and down. I was in the rear portion and passengers were actually screaming from fear. It lasted long enough that most of us were thinking the worst when it finally ended! My only trip in an F-28.
Had the same feeling in a F28 landing in Edmonton from Vancouver during a nighttime thunderstorm. Never bounced around so much ever, the lights even flickered as we jostled all over the place. 😬
Love to hear EPA mentioned, the airline of my hometown, Gander.
Soooo Cool Thanks Alex!
Nice to see your videos again - Great Job - from the Former CZEG VATSIN FIR Chief!
Thanks for the in-depth history!
My dad worked for CP Air as an engine mechanic from the 70s to the 90s. My sister became a flight attendant in the late 80's and suffered through the nasty merger with Air Canada.
I have some flying goose decals on my RC float plane that my dad was able to source.
My one flight on an F-28 was from YVR to YLW for work in winter. Flight couldn't land due to weather so returned to YVR. Quite liked the plane.
Also enjoyed the CRJ-600 from Frankfurt to Munster!
Thanks for that , I was there for most of it
That Time Air bare metal livery is really sharp
Very interesting! I didn't know we had an aircraft grave yard, so to speak! The only part of this video that brought back memories was the mention of Canadian Airlines, which I flew on as Canadian Pacific, and Pacific Western, which I flew on once! Thanks for doing these historical videos!
Had the opportunity to fly on a couple of these back in the 90s to Sandspit. Very old at the back and they were on the power quite a bit on landing there. Sandpit having water on both ends of the runway made for an incentive to make sure you landing properly there. No reverse thrust on these. But the tail sped brake was cool to see and simlar to Bae -146 in that respect.
I flew every one of these as Captain with Canadian Regional. First jet I flew.
Good information. F28 was a cool plane, loved the airbrake. I drove by that Pacific Western 737 today.
When I worked at Pearson on the airside I remember waiting on a taxiway between a 757 and a Canadian Fokker F-28. The split tail spoiler was their unique trademark....
Awesome! I was just there and saw these - was wondering about it. Also creepy how coincidental RUclips suggestions are….
Man, this is a piece of history of South Alberta aviation
I flew on the f-28s many times. I recall the braking system having a unique sound. The spoilers opening at the very end of the aircraft were cool too.
I wonder if you ever did it or not aware. Back when I was getting my PPL at CYHU I, saw what I think was a Vickers Viscount on the side near Pratt & Whitney Canada. Maybe worth checking out and doing a video on that. Not sure if it's still there though.
My Dad flew these very F-28s for Canadian Regional back in the day!
I just got a better explanation of the Canadian airline deregulation than wiki. much appreciated
Great synopsis of canadian airline history!! My dad worked for nordair, i worked for CP👍👍
Ahh, C-GTIZ, I remember watching her land long in YYT in Aug 1999, and over running the runway. First time I had witnessed an accident.
Great history lesson, thanks Alex. Also Google Maps shows 21 of them in 2 locations on the airport, near a south hangar, and north across the field.
I always enjoyed flying on Canadian and especially the F28 which was significantly nicer to fly on than a Dash 8. I always enjoyed flying on the short-lived Greyhound Air too.
Excellent information, great photos and very interesting. If I may give some friendly advise on narration. Please don’t make it sound singsong like a school book report in front of the class. Keep up,the good work.
Thanks Alex
What happened to the rest of Time Airs Feet ?
I flew the Shorts 330 a long time ago , after being at BATUS
Hey Ross, Rik from Time Air Historical Society. There's quite a few types that they flew. As for the Shorts, the SD3-30's went on to cargo careers. C-GTAV, s/n 3007 is waiting for us in Milwaukee. Time Air was the "First to Fly" the 330, and we are very proud that number 7 of the line has been donated to us. We will be crowdfunding for its return this year.
When C-FTAV was N453US, I (USAir AMT) worked on her in Pittsburgh. If I remember correctly, we tried to strip the paint and polish her. Big mistake. That aircraft had numerous pressurization air leaks around the skin fasteners. I don't think she stayed here long after that.
Only got to fly an F28 once and that was with Horizon Air from Spokane to Portland.
Good vid.
There is a Fokker 28 in the museum at Bodo Norway in SAFE Braathens colours.👍
Interesting. Kind of reminds me of the little collection/ graveyard of MD80s USA Jet has at Willow Run KYIP
Save The F28 and the 310! Great channel! :-D
Great Fokker 28!!!
I hope that some of these aircraft are preserved in a Canadian Museum to show the history of Canadian Aviation
Did you watch the video all the way through?
You should see Brazil’s airport
Interesting history...I'm sure there are many more like this..
New plan... I am going to buy them all, refurb them, and restart Canadian Regional in the re-imagined Canadian livery that I have in Flight Sim...
you have to do that my friend, I would fly your F28 for free, such a lovely bird
it remind me Québec-Air BAC-111 retirement back then 40 years
I’ll take your entire stock
Is that the LaudAir logo on the yoke?
Would love to turn one of those into a home 👍
Dear Alex ,I just had an idea for those f 28 . zero aero could convert them .what do you think .?✈️💗
Love the name
I would love to have the instrumentation and quadrant to build my own Sim.
I would guess that the icing-induced crash of one of the F28s in Air Canada Express colours at Dryden ON may have influenced the decision to park them all sooner rather than later. I flew just once on one of these aircraft in AC service, YYZ-YAM.
When I hear Fokker I think Greg Focker, LOL
I never flew on the F-28 (although I flew on the F-100 when KLM operated them) and I really hope these aircraft are restored! Thanks for spreading the word :)
Does anyone know if the interiors of these jets remain intact, or have they been stripped?
Had Canadian Airlines stayed in operation to this day you would have the scenario seen in the United Kingdom Japan South Korea Taiwan Spain where you have two Legacy carriers in Different Airline alliances Spain/UK Skyteam Star Alliance South Korea and Taiwan Skyteam/Star Alliance. The situation in Canada is the same as Japan Star Alliance/Oneworld. One of the planes here has a one world logo on the door
What I don't understand is how that much money can be wasted by a company? What would the value of those planes been when they were parked? Then the Canadian tax payer gives the company tax breaks to just let them sit and rot away to zero. How is it legal for a company to waste money like that and then be given tax deductions like depreciation, cost of storage etc to write off against their profits made when it seems to be clear there was no real effort put in to selling at a reasonable price. You see this so much . The rich corps just wasting assets so they can get a deduction against earnings for the year. No real interest in using their assets to do business. How many empty lots sitting around with no interest in being developed etc.
It's sad because I loved flying the Fokker out of YXT
Restore! Restore! ❤❤
Gerry Schwartz wants to know what you mean by that!!! :)
BTW - I think Quebecair also got rolled into the CP/Canadian amal.
Eastern Provincial, Nordair, and Quebecair were rolled in to CP before the PWA takeover.
I’d like to own one of those Fokkers 😆
Today i learned retrofit hushkits
I wish canadian airlines was still around
There is one of these sitting at a farm east of Blackie Alberta.Sure did a double take when it appeared there.
Rik from Time Air Historical Society. That one is privately owned by one of our Board Members.
Yes Mark, not to long ago mine YCR was part of this bone yard, now she is a long ways away from her friends but isn't in risk of getting scrapped.
The amount of times ATC got the read back : we got the “fukker”
Interior looks just like a 737 max8.
👍👍👍
Man it would be a sight if they could restore it to airworthiness and fly her to the museum instead.
That would be a goal of our societies, however I have not won the lottery yet! The biggest issue even to get it airworthy is the fact it will need hush kits to be custom made, that alone we have been told an incredible amount.
This makes me very sad
I wish Air Canada would go under, nothing would make me happier.
I saw them in April and they are an eye sore. Time to scrap them.
To bad no Dutch want one of them for a museum.
not completely correct. air atlantic did not get absorbed. ken rowe purchased it (imp group) and when he couldn't get routes to toronto, shut down the airline. then canadian regional took over routes with air atlantic doing routine maintenance. air atlantic continued doing third party maintenance until 911 and closed completely
What Canadian Airlines? There are airplanes from "WWI" still exists!
SASKATOON PRIDE!!!!
Was lucky to be on the ground there in 2020 and get some photos next to the aircraft
there is a chance i flew on this plane when it was owned by peidmont as i flew peidmont often then. no love for these jets, too small and i am a large man. cramped quarters
What’s up fokkers?
A sad day when CAIL was sacrificed by the Federal Gov't in Canada as they were major shareholders in Air Canada.........Canadians have suffered with what is essentially a one international airline country ( Canadian owned ) Sad commentary :-(
Gotta love Canadian air history . Multiple western airlines emerge and fold while AC continues . Various planes are purchased but Bombardier arrives with taxpayer financed deals . Like cockroaches , these two never go away . Thanks Ottawa .
let's go I got the first view on this video!
Congratulations on not thinking that no one cares!
@@sevenapertures why thank you!!!