2024 Surface Pro OLED Review (Snapdragon X)
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This isn't the first Arm based Surface Pro, but it's the first one that's actually good. The Surface Pro Copilot+ PC: Between the speed of the processor and the translation layer Microsoft is using to run old x86 programs this computer works really well for many things. But not everything.
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Canva/Affinity decision to run on ARM chips natively is a very good move.
Adobe: You can install what we allow you to
Paying users: dang! we can't use your apps on the new surface
Pirates: pathetic!
lmao
Dont pirate adobe. Its not worth it. Use affinity!
Shocking that those who pirate their software are getting a superior service to us who paid!
@@CammieRacing Piracy was always a service problem not a money problem lol
@@candylord2739what service do you need to use Adobe softwares 😵💫.
Time for Samsung to come out with an iPad Pro competitor with a tablet form factor that has S-Pen and runs WINDOWS!
I'd rather they don't waste any breath if they don't include some AMD processor. It's WILD that after all these year not even 1 company ever made an AMD tablet that can do some heavy 3D workloads (which requires the GPU).
I would love a samsumg ultra windows PC size
@@alyxredmond8753what about minisforum v3 tablet?
I think they have a flippy laptop that had spent support already?
@@alyxredmond8753Minisforum Tablet V3 has Ryzen 8840U.
Screw Adobe anyway.
Same
Blender for arm is in beta as we speak
Nice! and not surprising at all, that team is really on top of things.
I've been googling and youtubing fir this for about 2 weeks
No wonder why it so smooth on a arm windows tablet 🤯
Blender has been on ARM for a while via Apple Silicon and Metal
@@schizofennec arm64 for windows is what I meant
an arm wrestle!
That would have made a great title :D
Nice!
Good one!!
ARM race joke also works :P
Cool, i was waiting for your vid on this device. Thank you!
Your review is the one I've been waiting for!! Ty
Or, hear me out, you could cancel Creative Cloud and help push the movement against Adobe and their predatory practices.
Thanks for this great review of something I'm on the fence about buying. As an unapologetic doodler (not an "artist"), your UX focused review was useful to me. Also, many thanks for not adding distracting background music! Your voice and excellent script writing is more than enough (also thanks for not yelling at your audience :-)
FINALLY!!!BEEN WAITING LIKE ALMOST A WEEK NOW
Thanks for the review. Does it heat up? How’s the heat management compared to an iPad?
Hard to understand why MS pen is not absolutely first rate drawing instrument by this iteration. 11 years of Surface Pro, that's way more than enough time to perfect this technology.
It's great to see you test as a tablet! Im looking foreard to picking up one. I wonder ifnthe 32 GB is worth the money... What do you think?
Does the OLED display have any graininess? That's what people are criticizing.
Thanks for covering the graphics tablet driver piece. Apple had the same problem too, but I don't know how long it took to be fixed. Hopefully Wacom and the other tablet manufacturers add Arm support for their Windows drivers soon.
I love your reviews! It’s amazing how little reviewers there are for art focused consumers you really do a great job :) one question if I may, Do you think you could run Blender on this for 2D animation pretty reliably? Looking for something to run Blender without fear of breaking the screen (galaxy book4) with an at least okay drawing experience. Thank you!
Yes and no. It really depends on what you want to do in blender. Building models or environments or animating in 3D: Yes. Rendering is really slow, so if you want to see how your animation runs with the cycles engine on it's going to be really rough. Also exporting your animation here is going to take forever.
@@thebradcolbow Thank you for the quick reply! I’ll take that into consideration, it’s been rough trying to find a 2 in 1 laptop, I would just get an iPad and run Fresco but I’ve heard it’s not really made for longer form animations. 🫠
Great video. I see you are using a screen protector. Is that for reflexes? Can you tell me what protector is? Thanks.
Already buying one unit ❤
Hi Brad love ya vids bro!! If possible I would love to see your comparison and thoughts between Wacoms Movink and the Ipad pro
How does the OLED hold up? I'm looking to get that version, but the folks over on the surfave subreddit are saying the OLED is falling short when it comes to text. Also the touch digital layer on the screen is noticeable when you get up close since the LED and the touch stuff are not lined up. Thoughts?
Thx for a review!
Do you know if it can run AutoCAD? Really need a tablet for sketching and architectural work, and a mobile CAD editor/viewer if I'm away from my PC. Thanks! Great review!
The arm battle begins
For Adobe apps, don't you try to download the offline version of it? (not via CC apps)
I once requested directly through customer service
Nice video. I have the Surface Pro 8 and am comparing to my iPad Pro 2018 to find out which I want to upgrade. Right now the Surface Pro is leading. I use the Adeway Matte Screen Protector. Like it a lot though wish there was an Astropad Rock Paper Pencil available that I use on my iPad Pro (the the metal tip and the ability to remove the screen since the Adeway sticks on). I would sure expect this fall we will get the Lunar Lake version of Surface Pro 11 and I expect it will be a little faster CPU and GPU. Maybe I will go with Surface Laptop Studio though not sure what Matte Screen Protectors are available. I hate drawing on glass.
I had the 9 and could not stand the battery life. Very happy trading it in and getting the 1400 version. Screen is a huge upgrade
Damn, what a bummer about the pen.
Great review as usual though, I was really waiting for it!
The cost of the keyboard and pen made this device a hard no. I was excited for Windows on arm to finally get some real options, the driver issues and app compatibility were not deal breakers as those would get better with time. The lack luster GPU performance of the top end snapdragon processor was also a bit of a disappointment.
This is the new Flex keyboard, which is incredibly expensive.
But it's just a new option. The "old" non-bluetooth keyboard is still fully available & compatible, and it costs way less than this.
Drivers are predicted to hit AMD 780m 3D performance eventually which crushes Intel Xe by a wide margin...
Very inexpensive third-party keyboards and pens are available. Some of the third-party keyboards even support Bluetooth. Some have pen storage as well, unfortunately not charging, just storage.
Very inexpensive comparing to ipad magic keyboard 💀
Apple and Samsung charges even more for their keyboard + pen 😂 plus they also offer other keyboard options without the pen and wireless that's lower priced.
HI!
I've been putting off buying a Surface or iPad type device for years because no one fully satisfies what I would like to do.
Essentially digital painting, a little Blender at an amateur level and complete PC programs for photo editing (even Nikon ones).
Have you made any videos where you discuss the combined use of Mac Mini and iPad Pro? Because this would be one of the solutions within Apple.
For the surface however... do you think it needs a protective film?
And what would be the best pens with the Microsoft protocol to use?
Thank you very much and congratulations for the videos you produce!!
did you try video editing with davinci resolve?
Hey, I'm new to the channel and I have a weird question. Why don't you color back to front?
i love your take and review i wished you would have kept chiming in more about why the new surface line does not have premier pro on it. and why is the surface pro like the show stopper
Would be nice to see a comparison between this and the minisforum tablet
I have the new surface and I love it!
Hey Brad, would you be trying out the ProArt PZ13. Seems like a very decent and very cost effective rival to the surface pro. Also if you could do a video on windows convertibles such as the spectre x360 14. It has constantly been regarded as one of the best all around laptops. Would love to see your artsy take on it!
Strange to see an actual useful tablet - The new ipad pro is severely lacking when it comes to software.
Great video! recently my beloved ipad pro got stolen and I used procreate a lot. also I don't have a good windows device (only my old laggy surface pro 4 lol). I can't decide between buying a surface laptop and a new ipad (maybe air this time) or just a new surface pro. I feel like after drawing on ipad I can't stand the surface pen. would appreciate any advice though
I so very much appreciate your THOROUGH reviews of windows/android products! Thanks for all you do!
Thanks.. Don't tell anyone but it's a lot of fun too 😄
Would be neat to have a fancy robotic arm that you could motion capture yourself drawing, and have it repeat the movement for every tested tablet.
Can't find the link, but someone ran pirated Adobe apps (coz what else can you do?) on this chip and they said they run fine. So that's good.
I've been waiting for this review since launch. As an Adobe pirate, I rely on using Windows, so this tablet seems like a fantastic choice - aside from the average pen. I wonder whether firmware updates could offer pen improvements?
As there's no Android version of Fresco, this is pretty much the only option for me and I'm glad that you found it to be a positive experience.
My only remaining question would be, is the more expensive X Elite worth it? I'm not fussed about OLED, but I wonder whether there's a tangible drawing performance difference between the Plus and Elite models?
How is the oled screen ? Not too grainy?
When using photoshop do you use wintab or windows ink? Do you see any performance difference between the two settings?
In the experimental versions of Blender there is already an ARM64 version for testing.
A fun test would be to check out what your experience would be today with Windows 11 24H2 on your Surface Pro X. It will certainly not out perform the Snapdragon X processors, but the experience might be better than when you made your original review.
I had never thought of that. Would that version of Windows have the same translation layer that we see here?
@@thebradcolbow It does. I do have a Surface Pro X myself. By default 24H2 is not an available update yet, but it is when you switch to the "Preview Channel". I managed to update my Surface Pro X to version 24h2 this way.
What happen to the SQ1 processor on the previous surface X? did it got the new translation layer of this windows 11 update?
It might, but it’s still going to be slow. Half the magic is the pure performance of the X chips which the SQ1 and similar chips and generations just severely lack.
Yes, I use the one with sg2 and it has the same new prism translation layer
@@MsAlanos thank you, what about the performance has it increased?
@codebraker12 slight Increase, nothing ground breaking, but I use only two lightweight apps in emulation. Everything else is already arm compatible so I don't know how it would behave in heavier workloads
you have to try the new huawei matepad 11.5, they say it's a great tablet for drawing
I'd be curious to see how it performs with programming, it'll probably handle cross platform stuff but how will it handle windows specific C# libs and such
I want a Muppet review ASAP!!
Brad does this supports blender ? What's the performance, I searched alot but it's a very new product I didn't found anything regarding that.
Will you review the Huawei matepad 11.5"s and the new Gopaint drawing app pls ? I really need an artist review before buying it !
Also which operating system is better for artists who are taking drawing as a hobby and don't wanna spend a lot of money , android or windows ?
Please do review for Huawei GoPaint app next!
If Apple does not change ipad os by next year (2025) - we are all migrating to Surface Pro with Windows !!
2024, now…
Im drawing on a galaxy book 3 360 and tried procreate on the new ipad and i knew It was going to be my next drawing machine, util I heard about the new surface which I've always loved the desing but see it lacking in other ways specially price, but since drawing is a bit worse here than the ipad im still going for the later thanks to your review ;)
that cookie monster was so good
i have switched to fresco and never looked back
Im still wating for thr go version of this
Can't wait for it.
A tiny Surface Go & Surface Laptop Go with Arm processor that can last very long sounds like a very portable dream.
A full PC that can take anywhere & holds a charge.
Do you think the Surface Pro is a better option than the iPad Pro for illustration?
I prefer the iPad. It really depends on all the things you need to do. The ipad is a great companion device where this can be your everyday computer but it's not as fun to draw on.
@@thebradcolbow+ too heavy for tablet use
@Isengardtom an iPad is not that heavy but yeah, without kickstand, a chore to always have to carry, I agree.
they’re probably talking about the Surface Pro
@@mannyw_ what do you mean ? Surface has a kickstand. You do not "carry" it when using it.
The only time you CARRY the tablet, therefore with the keyboard, actually, the iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is 25%...HEAVIER.
So I do not see how you could refer to the Surface Pro in this context.
With Arm, the power draw is so low, you can happily get the "plugged in" performance, while unplugged, for more hours of battery life.
Did you test compatability??? You only need "Basic" HID (human input device) drivers to use a tablet.
Hi Brad what's your Daily Driver? I'm thinking of the getting the Huion 19.
He prefers to use an iPad for drawing, you can check his website for a comparison of the different pen displays he's used.
I'm an iPad guy, but the Huion 19 is really nice.
Are there any pen alternatives that can be used with the Surface Pro?
I thin N-trig or something is the tech they use? All of those shouuuuuld work.
gonna wait on it a little. I use galaxy book 4 360 atm literally just bought it. I'll wait till everything is optimized for this new chip then trade in and get a new 360 edge model whenever that may come out.
Hey! I was close to buy rhe Book 4 360, but people complaining about the display cracking kind made me back up. How it's yours doing?
@@Noizahorikku my display is doing just fine. Is there anymore context as to how the cracking happened? I haven't pushed my comp to its limits. plus I got a nice deal for the best buy warranty for both hardware and software issues.
I'll say this tho, I legit only bought it for the 360 feature for drawing, comes with Samsung's great pen and I have other samsung devices to work hand n hand with it. If you see a more affordable 2 in 1 with the same specs and whatnot, keep the options open. Books like ASUS Zenbook 14 OLED, Lenovo Yoga 9i 2 in 1, and my favourite looking 2 in 1 (design wise) is the surface laptop studio 2 that thing is perfectly designed but too dang expensive lol.
So I would just keep your options on Samsung, Lenovo, and Asus for now and look around more from other recommenders.
@kickbeez642 Thanks a lot for your reply. Some people have been posting pics showing cracks on their displays and speculating that it could be the heat when they closed the laptop and the display being too thin. I found no official news or reference regarding this, but it made me hesitate. I was looking forward to build up my Samsung ecosystem if the drawing experience was good, and it seems to be the case.
@@Noizahorikku no problem. yea, it's always good to be cautious before spending that much money.
I am waiting for a review on Huawei mate pad 13.2 😊
I wanted to buy this, however price for the device (oled only comes with the x version) as well as price for keyboard is just absurd.
Brad, will you do a review of the Xencelabs Pen Display 16 OLED?
Yes!
@@thebradcolbow Thank you!
I've had two surface laptops and one surface pro, finish always chips. I would always get the silver
I always feel like I'm in the movie Speed when I use those pens - gotta keep that pen above a certain speed.
haha, I like that analogy.
This is the first time I watch blender on snapdragon x 😲
We wanna see PUPPET BRAD!!! 😆
Would love a comparison between the surface pro and the Asus version coming out.
Yeah, the new Pro Art Surface thing looks good, going to try and get my hands on one.
Do a review on the asus pro art laptop
Can you review the LG Gram 16 Pro 2 in 1? can't find info if it's using mpp
Gram 14 uses Wacom AES 2.0. new gram 16 is probably uses it too.
@11:55 for drawing review.
Can you try Affinity Designer?
Apple still doesn’t have a touchscreen laptop
Me hearing you can install Clip Studio Paint: "Good."
Me hearing you can't install Adobe tools: "GOOD!"
Is the asus zenbook duo 2024 version good
what kind of plants are those are they real
Couldn’t you download the adobe apps on another computer and copy them over for testing?
The reason they disallowed the apps from the cloud was that they performed horribly, and Adobe does not want users seeing how bad they are at the moment.
hey. Krita has plugin image generative ai. can this laptop run this?
Bro please review huawei matepad 11.5 S papermate
Definitely switching from my iPad Pro to this 👌🏽
iPad Pro remains a much superior tablet. This is more a laptop replacement.
Nice productivity device though
@@Isengardtom yeah I had a surface pro 4. Switched to the iPad Pro for 5 years in hopes it’d get better programs like blender and godot. Turns out they’ll never come because of apples dumb App Store guidelines, even though it’s ridiculously capable now. So yeah, got sick of it being held back
Not too excited any more tbh, I was looking towards for this in order to have a light portable drawing tablet, that at home could be hooked up to a bigger drawing tablet and art studio. But it seems is kinda bad both at drawing in the go, and cant connect to drawing tablets either.
Normally a big fan of the Surface Pro but this year I like the Asus PZ13 better in this form factor. Comes with the keyboard and is a really elegantly designed thing. Will be interesting to see if that picks up traction
Is it repairable?
@@trowawayacc don't know. It's the first I've seen of it and there aren't many reviews on it yet
Shouldn't you be able to download Adobe if you run a virtual machine?
finally, an arm based tablet's replacing laptop.
Man if Microsoft wanted to grab the creative market, they should bundle the Surface Pro with 1 year Clip Studio Paint Pro/EX
hows about the noise performance? I really don’t want a screaming tablet.😅
I should have mentioned that. In my time using this the fans would run but not at a speed that was audible, you had to hold your ear up to it to hear. Using Blender to render some stuff they would kick on and then there was definitely fan noise. But for every day computing stuff I never heard the fans.
@@thebradcolbow thanks for this valuable information. Then I would go for it.
400$ for a Cover & a KEYBOARD?!!
our guy Microsoft took a decade to finally push Surface brand into "finally usable" arc
I've been using a surface for years. It's usable.
It's been fine for MOST users for years. Had almost every iteration of it for work and school, and they were great.
I didn't watch the video yet, but if this isn't answered can someone give me recommendations for drawing apps?
I ditched my iPad Pro for this, because I need a two in one device that's also a drawing tablet. I just don't know what to look for. I was using Procreate previously.
Adobe Fresco is going to be the closest to the Procreate tablet-style interface you're already comfortable with. Generally, almost everything on Windows is geared towards a desktop interface. Hopefully apps like Clip Studio Paint and Affinity Photo & Designer will bring their tablet interface from the iPad to Windows users as an option but so far that has not happened.
If only this chip were released in 2019 had the Surface Neo been saved ;--;
The whole point of the Surface vs the Ipad was it was a PC that could run all those windows apps natively... but now its advantages are also rans. I just don't see a point in the switch to arm for tablets.
Battery life and heat. Two biggest problems with the surface line. Also even under emulation, the performance difference between this and the surface pro 10 is minimal while being more efficient
And I’d argue the advantage of the surface pro over the iPad is that it runs desktop level programs period. Which the surface does
@@christianr.5868 processing isn't bad, graphics aren't all that great, and I doubt you will be able to use an eGPU with an arm based machine. I could be wrong though but something tells me the drivers would be emulated.
@@digitalalchemy6414 no you’re right drivers aren’t available yet for an egpu. But it’s only a matter of time for that
that depends on the apps... no doubt windows has more apps that other platforms. But in my case I use the affinity suite for photos, desktop publishing, etc. and they are equivalent across windows/mac/ipad. games aren't going to be a strong suit on this... the performance isn't there on the surface... so apps taht are available on the ipad especially a comparable M4 pro are going to run circles around the surface. I could run games on an egpu on older surface but im guessing thats going to have issues on Arm with nvidia drivers and pciexpress support. I develop and all my dev tools are windows.. so I need a windows box for that... but id rather run it native than emulated, im a purist when im testing code I want as little 'wierdness' in between what im writing and the target as I can. That said... Playgrounds on the ipad is a nice dev environment with fast iteration of changes. I don't use xcode on the mac anymore, its just easier to code directly on the ipad But like anything specialty software you use is going to be a dealbreaker for some on this platform ro that platform.
06:12 ... so where is the link?
he got to the point around @12:00 about how the pen input feels
I keep imagine this chip on a Samsung tablet or laptop. Anyone else have the same imagination?
Samsun is rolling out a Galaxy book with this processor!
@@thebradcolbow Would love to hear you review that too! It doesn't have a pen, but it would be useful to get main device reviews from you in addition to tablets and displays that can be used with them!
I would argue that m1-m4 demonstrated to be more powerful to intel counterparts.
I would agree, but whenever I say that the people who rely on discreet GPUs call me out 😂
Waiting on the proart pz13. This Microsoft products are expensive af compared to the competition
If it had an X Elite and a better pen technology I would’ve considered it because that 70watt battery is awesome. MPP only works well on the surface pros
It's great hower as someone who has used the surface as their main drawing device for the past 8 years the newer useable surfaces (i want minimum 16 gig of ram) is way out of may budget now unfortunately, kinda sad about that since i love the formfaktor
Almost $2000 - Gosh!
Uff brad your battery life claims are just wrong. First of all new gen intel/amd do almost the same when if comes to battery life and even better if you throw on heavy task the only were they shine is video streaming because they are socs which is coming to intel this year as well
When I test the new stuff and it holds up I'll be happy to report that. But for years I've tested laptops that claim to get 10, 12.. 18 hours of battery and they get 3 or 4 doing actual work. This is the first Windows device I've used that actually delivers and I was impressed.
@@thebradcolbow there most certainly are laptops which hold up for 12+ hours no problem (however they claim 18 or even more) it depends on the TDP the display obviously and the battery. Under load ARM needs more energy than x86_64