I have a self built Oram 44C. Basically a plumb bow 45R. It took me about 6000 hours to build, working 99.99% solo. It's a great boat, we've lived on it for the past 11 years.
When I was running PDQ Yachts, we had 4 people making hulls and decks, 6 people making the FRP liners, 8 people assembling and bulkheads, 8 cabinet makers, 4 electricians, 8 deck hardware, and 12 interior installers. The time to build a hull and deck is very low and relative to all the rest of the work. Going with a gel coated finished hull Is absolutely the way to go. With all of that in mind I would suggest getting as many prefabbed liners as they can provide. Also we built over 300 boats, all in polyester and/or vinyl ester. Half the cost and 24 times quicker to harden !
Very interesting. Any advice re which boat manufacturers would be good to approach to get quotes on a customized 40' to 45' power catamaran at a moderate price?
matt johnson thanks Matt, we always built boats we could be proud of and that we could sail and enjoy. DM if you want any info or thoughts, personally I have no axe to grind.
As I am now in my late 70’s, I have lived aboard and cruised 5 different boats. Now, my favorite boat in the world is the PDQ 34 power cat!! Amazing boat.
I gotta say, Matt...well actually both of you, did a really great job explaining the building process and options. I have never sailed in my 62 yrs, and know nothing about building boats of any kind, but this was interesting and easy for even me to follow with the images and your dialog... great job!! I'm really excited for you!!
i absolutely love how you guys are so informative and provide a ton of info. I think the max 42 is definitely the one to go with. the prefab hulls and parts and gel coat are going to provide the edge needed to get you back on the water sooner and add the best resale value confidence. Ive done a lot of diy projects and the learning curve takes a few turns until i get it to a professional level and the cost add up in labor and material. So yes definitely prefab. Also I want to see you guys back on the water asap.
Have you looked into the Fusion 40’s?? Another moulded gel coat finished boat that’s designed well and that’s available in kit form. There’s nearly 100 on the water sailing the world. I’ve got a life time of experience living on and building boats and I’d say building has to be one of the hardest but most rewarding ways to get a boat. Fantastic video good luck with it and look forward to seeing you both on the water!
I think it is a no brainer! Go with the Max and since they are new perhaps you can get a great deal as an official instruction video. Good luck, looking forward to see the progress.
I am so anxious for the two of you to to begin the physical build of your new catamaran! I do not sail, nor ever plan to sail. Yet I have a great interest in sailing, and learning all about it. I have learned so many things about sailing since I first discovered your channel years ago. You both have been excellent instructors! With your combined knowledge and experience, I know you will make every decision with careful thought, and will find your dream catamaran in the end! You are absolutely #1
@15.50. Details! Yes! I so wish everyone could provide such detailed drawings when they are selling a boat, new or used. I'm looking for a boat but I'm probably looking at slightly less race, slightly more comfortable and slightly bigger, but this is really nice. Plus the advantage you have with a smaller boat is draft (specially with dagger boards). I really like the idea of getting into them little protected alcoves where there is only about 2m of water, and 1-1.5m of entry at high tide. Nice use of space, no waisted space or overduplication anywhere. Lots of options with the layout of this boat. Why do you favor outboards? Yes, they can be easily removed, worked on or replaced, but the likelihood of needing to do so is much higher than with the diesel inboards. I only just bumped into you. I really liked your video. You now have another subscriber. :) All the best with your construction and subsequent sailing! Looking forward to your construction videos (should you choose the Max 42). Addendum: Just saw the date posted. Figure the build may be over by now. Will watch all your construction vids now, and hopefully some sailing vids and you comments on how you now feel about the design, performance (and if complete, the livability) of your new boat.
I agree with the outboard. I see so many people fumbling over their diesels, forced to haul out to fix a saildrive or just break something on the propeller with flotsam. On my cat we had outboard and it was so easy to fix things and swap it out. The outboard of my dinghy was also put to use when needed. The biggest problem was the noise of the outboard (high pitch whine) and I heard that cruser are wary of carrying gas in case of lightning strikes. With the outboard I would add a small generator hooked to the fuel system. That way you never run out of power and you don’t have to oversize the solar system soo much. Cheap, quick, easy to fix or replace all around the world.
Hey guys, glad to see how excited you are and how close the decision is for you. If you are going down the path of the fibreglass and moulds, I suggest you check out the Life On The Hulls youtube channel - this is an Australian guy who bought catamaran moulds and is building a cat with the same type of construction you are looking at for the Max 42. He comes from a fibreglassing background building surf kayaks and has heaps of tips & tricks you can use. All the very best with selling Elements and for your decision and the adventure ahead - I look forward to watching you each week and look forward to seeing where you go from here!
Great looking cat, I can really imagine living the good life on that. Love the big galley, and the advantages you mentioned for the build are very attractive. Looking forward to the next video already!
That Max 42 looks impressive . If you go for that one , surely it would make more sense for you to go to Vietnam , rent a shed and build it right there . Save the shipping costs , and as a bonus I bet labour is very cheap there , so if necessary you could hire some help .
Yes- not to mention nice weather, cheap food and perhaps less sales tax on supplies? Would documentation of a vessel made outside the US be more difficult?
GreAt idea. When you factor the savings in shipping that’s a win. Just load a giant crate of tools and pay the baggage fee. Probably be $500 to take the essentials with you. Rent an apartment for $200 a month and hire a couple local hands.
MAX 42👍, already gelcoated with a semi-custom layout, depending on overall materials and build price, that's my winner! I like the convertible raised helm option that can get you down into the cockpit with nasty weather. The rig and engine options are very nice too, I'm ready to spend your money! 💰💰💰
Magnificent design and build technique. Just read about it today so I have been searching online for all information. I saw your container unloading video first and was very impressed with how well thought out the design is for home builders. I lived aboard a 40 ft light weight cruiser/racer trimaran for 6 years and the deck space, cabin space, and speed made it a fantastic boat. Then cats started getting better designed but heavy and slow. The Max 42 is going to be very popular and I am very tempted... but too old to build another boat. While cats have many great features and qualities, the light ones really move around quickly which takes getting used to when walking the decks and when below. You get used to it but guests will feel like they are in a small airplane in turbulence. Most are also very noisy below at speed with the water rumbling along the hulls which takes getting used to when trying to sleep. One other danger of a fast boat is hitting floating objects at sea. My boat (and the Max 42) will sail at 12 kts in any good breeze and will exceed 20 kts in a good breeze when surfing ocean swells. My knotmeter only went to 20 and it was often pegged for long periods when surfing and 18 kts when reaching. Very exciting, very fun, but very wet going to windward with a fire-hose blast as the upwind bow pierces the waves. It is easy to drop sails at night to slow the boat down for safety and dropping the speed to "only" 10 knts make the boat feel so slow and easy moving. And much quieter below. Crossing from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico to Hawaii was 20 days without pushing the boat at all but one day we saw something floating up ahead and it turned out to be a huge log at least 8 ft diameter and it was quite long. We were only doing 12 kts as we slid past it but we talked about what damage it would do to our boat if we hit it. We were fortunate to see it at all but what if we hadn't seen it? What if we had been going faster? What if we plowed into it at night? There is a lot of floating junk out there and some of it is heavy and will cause serious damage. However, it is much easier to sail a fast boat slower when prudent than to try to speed up a slow boat! You made an excellent choice to build this boat and I really look forward to the construction videos. I am subscribed of course!
Life must be full of emotion at the moment but how exciting when a plan is starting to come together. Don't know anything about catamarans (always been a mono sailor) but you cannot beat that professional finish! Good luck and look forward to seeing it happen!
This is the first cat that I could put in my 'Beautiful' category. I really, really like it....and all of its options! What a great job you two have done in canvasing the world and telling us about this and the other various do-it-yourself cat's! Thank you both!! Edit: I hope that this "performance" boat will not be too light or short to comfortably sail in blue water....
I agree with your concerns about it being too light for blue water sailing and the hulls look like they need another two or three feet in the stern for proper aft buoyancy.
Wow! Using out board engines instead of built in engines seems brilliant. Most of the big problems being worked on on the hard seem to be engine prop related. Being able to easily lift off the engines for repairs will be so nice and changing them out will be easy too.
worked on a boat with longshaft outboards, for coastal cruising its fine but actual ocean crossing inbuilt diesels is the only way with either shaft or said drive is the only way atm
Gasoline Flammability is a hazard that can be minimized utilizing diesel which is combustible (non-flammable). Also, sailing range is better with diesel engines, of course if you are crossing oceans.
yep advantage of diesels, they dont go boom if you have a fuel leak, more efficient, more torque and its more important for pushing a boat, more reliability I would only go petrol for coastal cruisers. If you wanna see a train wreck theres a youtuber pulling cummings diesels out of a 40ft power boat and replacing them with LS petrol. Could be a train wreck
Matt's reaction to the "human sushi board" comment was priceless. The Max seems to be a very good concept. I like the idea of preformed shapes over a flat pack and the gelcoat finish is definitely a better way to go.
Agree with much of the comment directly below from 86daily, but SO FAR, SO GOOD! #1 choice for me - so far. The hull concept alone would tilt my head quite a way in this direction vs twisting flat panels hither and yon, praying that the joints hold and then making it all look great from the outside. IF this company has a good track record in the past, that also counts for much. I'm not as concerned about the "cheap labor country" as quite a few GREAT cats come from the Far East and from South Africa, etc. Perhaps they don't seem as hidebound by "tradition" in design and construction tech as others??
It sounds as if they are willing to help design everything to your wishes, so go for it, it will save you so much time, money, without compromises, and will enable you to travel the seas again much faster.
Glorious glorious sanding? I've been watching Mads from Sail Life sanding for the past 3 years, still amazing. Having said that, really looking forward to the build!
I think this is the winner... on the duel outboard option, you might want to check to see if there’s a Diesel option small enough to fit. Jess looking great....
I love the new Option. Sure wish I was 40 years younger. Have you thought of building it in Vietnam Nam? Very inexpensive and you would have the factory close for support if required. Also it’s a beautiful country with beautiful people. Can’t wait to start the build.
That is a great looking boat! Those molded hulls and modules will have a much better look and finish. Love the galley & salon layout. If the heads are big enought consider a 4/2 layout and turn one of the forward cabins into laundy/workroom like another commenter suggested. I am so ready for you to get this build going.!
With all this enthusiasm and how the components are delivered, etc, etc,. Looks like you have already made your decision. Don't see the need to continue to labor over it !! ❤️ JUST DO IT !!! . You will be in the water that much sooner. 👌👍
I like the containerised idea, get a 3rd 40' container (side open if possible) and a container span roof and you have your workshop on any suitable bit of land.
First of all, beautiful backdrop for this discussion. "As quick as Matt can!" Matt, you did a good job. And Jessica's injected comments make it even more entertaining. Great overview of the initial build process and overview. Can really tell that both of you have done a tremendous amount of research on all the boat choices including this one. You are both so conversant on all the details. Couple of questions. One of the benefits of the aluminum hull, you said more than once, was that you didn't worry about exterior scuffing/scraping of the hull. This gelcoat design looks beautiful. How hard will it be to repair superficial hull damage? Second, because you have more of the external build completed early, I assume that will allow you to begin living aboard sooner in the build. Is this also true? You were really enthusiastic about this option and it was infectious. I think it has been my favorite so far, too. And you'd be back in the water sooner!!! Thanks for bringing us along!
Hit them up for a sponsorship. if these guys are smart they would sponsor you. You said it, we’re introducing it to the world! I had not heard of the Max 42 until now, so think how much marketing they will get from you guys!
@@MJSailing Really "carefully worked out" could spare You slidin' down La Vaga Chausséé, too. And the build - I'd go for Viet Nam, Thailand or Malaisia as building place. The Covid-problem is massive, yes, I tried to get into Malaisia for a boat project since March, too, (in vain to date), but working with an actual building firm as a RUclips channel with 120 k+ followers should give You opportunities I do not have with my preowned project boat on my noname wishlist. Their economies are suffering, too, and bringing in work as well as a marketing boost should find some open ears at least, I'd suppose. Those nations are well skilled and to be honest, the work they could contribute would be done by non-native North-American workers in North-America, too (minus You two self builders, of course). Cheers.
Amazing choice. It looks great. One thing you should consider is building in a tool utility area because I saw one channel where some rich guy designed his second Leopard and he had one of the cabins duel use with a built in tool store and utility area.
Wow, cool design. Few designs offer options for both dagger boards and outboard engines. Lots of freedom in all those options on the Max Cruise, and that is what it is all about.
I am planning on doing something similar to what you are doing. There are a couple of issues I have with the Max Cruise 42, first off it is very small and light, it won't be able to carry much without a large loss of performance. It also doesn't sound like it has enough bridge deck clearance. Retractable aft engines sound great except that they pop out in waves and over rev. They are basically useless in inlets with opposing wind, waves and current. Also consider ditching the sail idea, you will never recoup the fuel costs vs all the costs of a sail plan, not to mention it takes less time to build. The build time and material costs of a 40 footer and a 50 footer ( and longer) are similar, limiting the length because of shipping container constraints doesn't make much sense. One last thing, if displacement hull speed is sufficient, fuel economy can be very good and the engine size can be relatively small.
How exciting! I can't wait to have Matt go through all the details of the two final choices - seriously! This looks to be a very clever compromise - for a little extra shipping and kit cost, you get a big reduction in build time, so you get to spend more time building the bits that are interesting and will make the boat yours. I'd check that they are on course for their projected build weights - and it would be very easy to over-engineer the final assembly and end up gaining a load of unnecessary weight - you want to save the payload allowance for things that make living aboard more pleasant, and the sailing more fun. That's why Dazcats work so well - very carefully managed builds, and no excess fat - just incredibly strong but light boats through attention to detail and their build experience. We have news too - I'm buying Star, the Pat Patterson Twins 43 that's been on brokerage with the Multihull Centre, as a liveaboard. Don't worry, EasyTiger will still be my favourite sailing machine! I decided that I couldn't make one boat do everything, so Star comes into our lives as an ideal floating home, and one that has circumnavigated the Southern Ocean, so could take us ANYWHERE! Cheers, Julian
Oh, and do think about the drive options, and the charging implications. Outboards usually have low charging output - enough to recharge their starter batteries, but not a large boat's systems (and also no hot water as a by-product). A generator, larger battery banks and/or more solar panels can compensate, but all add weight. I hate to say it, but the diesel engine often ends up the most efficient for weight vs power needs. Electric is getting there, but you need sponsorship (like Uma and La Vagabonde) or deep pockets at the moment, and expect to sail 95% of the time, and manage with minimal consumption on things like fridges (and definitely no aircon).
The way the lines are run at 11:45 and 12:45 look like they might be an issue with that sharp angle bend as they are run past the solar? A more direct routing would make for less effort and less wear don't you think? I like the galley layout and the squared corner settee. I am not interested in building my own boat, but if they do a full build option, it might be worth considering...
I hope you got a good discount. I recently got in touch with Max Cruise Marine about pricing. To put it politely, they are extremely proud of their workmanship according to their price point.
@@_mysilentblue2227 Sorry it’s been quite a while since I posted that. I think I deleted the email. It was way up there though. Even as a kit it was on the pricey side. I know with boats you often get what you pay for. Although I do remember thinking that if I was going to pay this much for a cat, I would buy a Privilege instead.
I would get the Bar Island. It's got good storage, hookups, handholds, a counter for food / fish prep, layout space, and many other functions. If it's not there, its just wasted space you walk through to get to something that has some kind of function. It doesn't block the view and unless you plan on needing dance space, I'd diffidently get the island.
I’m very impressed with everything about this cat - especially as a modular kit- subscribed to keep following the build as it comes (especially coming from a family obsessed with aluminum expedition boats- our current boat is 26 tons lol) forgive me father for I have sinned and lusted after performance catamarans 🤣
Cannot wait to see y'all get started! I was around for the last build, I sure this will be just as informative! Thanks for keep us up to date, and excited to see how things go! Please take care, here from GA.
The Max 42 looks like the best option, build process looks great. I love the option for outboard engines, easier to to maintain and you don't have the drag when sailing if you can tilt them. You could get diesel outboard and an electric outboard, look at Torpedo Outboards.
Hey Matt & Jessica, this is the second time I've watched this video in its entirety, it's a very interesting introduction to the boat and the brand. I love that galley too, every cat should be set up that way! Couple of things I'd love you guys to talk about on the next video looking at the Schionning Arrow and the Max-42. What do you expect your cruising payload to be? The Max-42 has a payload of 4840 lb., which is a huge amount of gear, food, water, fuel, spare parts, etc. - most couples can sail long distances with far less stuff on board their boat. Which of the two designs looks to handle loads better? And two, if you were to cruise with a all -up displacement of 14,440 (with 3,000 lb. of stuff) what will the bridgedeck clearance be? What with the hull length to beam ratio be at that displacement? It looks like the Max-42 will be a pretty stellar design if sailed at a lower than the designed displacement. Also, I really do like it when Matt gets into all the details, this is very informative material that can't be found elsewhere. Thanks a ton for doing these videos!
All in all a great concept and wonderful looking catamaran, a kit with a clear beginning and ending. Not like most efforts, started with enthousiasme en sold after X years as a unfinished project. This is getting a lot of work done and so maintain the curv of getting there by each component you put together.
It's fun to see you excited about the new boat. Don't know if you checked the latest La Vagabond yet but just when you thought of everything, in walks in a new performance sail maker and a totally electric engine designer . Who knows, you might even get partnership options yourselves. I like the layout of this Max 42. Methinks you might want to consider upping the budget projections though because I can see a lot of things going on the wish list. Good luck.
Hi guys, don’t know a lot about Cat’s, but from what I’ve seen of your videos, seams like the Max42 would be the better option, reduced build time, gelcoat, makes for easier cleaning and higher resale, and just seams like a stronger better quality boat overall. It also seams to check off most of the marks of what your looking for. Tough decision, but I’m hoping you choose the Max42. 👍😀
Okwe talked it over....compared and decided it's the 42. What you thought YOU were deciding? On a serious note it does check so many boxes an DC ithink you two would be so so happy with it. It is most definately your decision about your new home. Hope you get some needed rest and come to a happy decision. Have fun guys. Hug each other more! Hugs from Canada
Looks to me like the Max 42 is the way to go. You still get the very hands on build experience which you both love, and at the end, will put you in the unique position of knowing every system and every component of every system on the boat. You will install those systems, hands on info you can't get any other way. You also get all the other benefits of the "sweat equity" that comes with a project like this but without a huge chunk of the misery that goes with it...the endless sanding, the mold stuff, etc. If this boat has the layout you two like (and it seems you do) then I can't find a downside to doing it based on what you have shared with us. I think they will sell a lot of these, and if you choose this boat, I think you two will be responsible for a bunch of those sales. Bottom line, do what makes you happy, you are building your home for many years to come. I would also pass on the island option, knowing that down the road should you want one you two can design and build a custom one that suits your needs perfectly.
Interesting news and a much quicker build for you with the precast hulls. An airplane hanger with its wide doors and depth will fit the beam well and allow for easy moving around as you build. With the quicker build time, it will reduce your costs too. ( just need to find one near water ) . The fun part is the decisions. Enjoy. All the best , Hal
I have just taken delivery of my Schionning ARROW 12 (SeaBiscuit) built in Knysna South Africa- It exceeds all expectations. Some thoughts-1.consider a rotating mast-it is a revelation in performance. The MAX 42 looks as if it deserves it. 2.consider tiller steering-simple bullet proof. 3.consider diesel an shaft drive with feathering props-petrol outboard inefficient/dangerous/poor reverse/problem in lumpy seas /short range/and the need of gas hot water and probable generator(no reasonable alternators) 4.lithium battery/solar/ 5.Their weight estimates look somewhat over optimistic especially if not using epoxy or carbon 6.consider structural rigidity with such an open bridge deck.
@@MJSailing Right, The only way that I would touch that, is if it is free. I don't think being a guinea pig should cost me shit. You will have a lot riding on a unproven design!!! As before GOOD LUCK!!!
I don't remember where you are at but if I were building such a craft why don't you build it in Vietnam where the parts are coming from. Save on shipping, cost of living and you might even get cheaper labor to help you along on the whole project. If you have any question those people may be able to assist you quicker also. Lots of Love
Problem is that we can't get into Vietnam... And it doesn't look like that will change soon. We talked about South Africa as well, but again, they aren't letting in Americans. -Matt
@@mattjohnson6716 Hi Matt, to get in Vietnam now you have to have a company that will sponsor your entry to Vietnam, I'm familiar with the process. If you want I can provide you with the information.
@@philthefarrier9469 if you have a sponsor company, tested negative before boarding the flight and isolate in designated hotel upon arrival then no problem. I just finish the application of an American. He will flight in on Oct 12nd, transit in Korea.
How exciting! The Max Cruise looks very good. I have a feeling this is another Aussie company, out of Vietnam, like SW. You deserve a good deal. Your videos are great and you put in the hard yards again and again (and again!) Besy wishes for the build.
Twin outboards! We have a SW with twin outboards. Definitely pros and cons with these. Big pro, cheap and easy to replace and engines can be tilted right out of the water. Cons:- Cavitation can be an issue in choppy seas. Fuel economy. No hot water. We are coast hopper so the outboards are fine. For passages, I think diesel would be a lot better. Food for thought.
@@deemacvee1 Thanks for that David. Are yours the extra long shaft or standard long shaft? How often do they cavitate? What type of conditions? All great info.... and Seawind owners are about the only ones we get to ask :) -Matt
@@mattjohnson6716 Ours is a SW1000. Just fits under our local bridge. Twin Yam 9.9 hight thrust extra long. The 1160 lites have the Yammie 25s or Hondas usually. We sail off the NSW coast and that can be quite rough. Cavitation is a problem heading into a sea. We try and avoid it by picking the weather. You will do that more in a cat because cats are just so much more comfortable off the wind than close hauled. I think the longer cats may cavitate less and hobby horse less due to the extra length. It is something I would look into as you guys do long passages. Maybe get some references from others and ask the question. She has very nice lines, but where is the BBQ?
As commented before, the balsa core materials of the Schonning is not a material I would choose, especially for re-sale in the States where they all want "production" boats. With that in mind, the gelcoat finish over a foam core is very appealing, and being modular the 10 month time difference and less sanding, a huge plus. I did like the idea of another commenter, of putting in the pads or base for inboard engines for a future change, if you choose outboards. Max Marine do not have much detail on their website, would your boat be the first one?
The outside of the Max looks a lot like Ruby Rose2 , just a bit smaller. The build of the max looks like it comes from the Rapido trimaran factory in Vietnam, they use the same vinal resin. just a guess though. If you have time SV Lilliput bought a second hand Schonning in Malaysia. In the galley area she said something about the head height being to short for her boyfriend because of the shape of the roof. Worth considering because as you know comfort is everything in cruising. Difficult choice. Have fun.
Reminds me of how they put together quick build kits for airplanes. the tech has been around a long time and it is nice to see the boating industry has taken some tips from the aviation industry. are any of these boats on the water and have been sailed extensively? we may have to fund a trip to Vietnam for you to fully immerse yourself into the possibilities.
I don't know enough about building a boat to give an informed opinion, but I don't see any way to go wrong with the Max from what I see here. @20:00 Lots of Blue Jays~ Back in the mid west are we? thumbed
I vote for the Max 42 and the build site in Vietnam. My only reservation is I’m not sure the 42 is going to be big enough for the two of you. May want to consider looking for something in the 50-60 foot range.
I have a self built Oram 44C. Basically a plumb bow 45R.
It took me about 6000 hours to build, working 99.99% solo.
It's a great boat, we've lived on it for the past 11 years.
When I was running PDQ Yachts, we had 4 people making hulls and decks, 6 people making the FRP liners, 8 people assembling and bulkheads, 8 cabinet makers, 4 electricians, 8 deck hardware, and 12 interior installers. The time to build a hull and deck is very low and relative to all the rest of the work. Going with a gel coated finished hull Is absolutely the way to go. With all of that in mind I would suggest getting as many prefabbed liners as they can provide. Also we built over 300 boats, all in polyester and/or vinyl ester. Half the cost and 24 times quicker to harden !
You guys built some awesome boats! Please stick around... I could use the advice of someone with your experience. -Matt
Very interesting. Any advice re which boat manufacturers would be good to approach to get quotes on a customized 40' to 45' power catamaran at a moderate price?
Couldn't you purchase and do your build in Vitnam, rather than pay for shipping? Cost of living would be cheaper ?
matt johnson thanks Matt, we always built boats we could be proud of and that we could sail and enjoy. DM if you want any info or thoughts, personally I have no axe to grind.
As I am now in my late 70’s, I have lived aboard and cruised 5 different boats. Now, my favorite boat in the world is the PDQ 34 power cat!! Amazing boat.
You both are in our hearts and we know you are taking care of business. Be Happy and thanks for sharing with us.
I gotta say, Matt...well actually both of you, did a really great job explaining the building process and options. I have never sailed in my 62 yrs, and know nothing about building boats of any kind, but this was interesting and easy for even me to follow with the images and your dialog... great job!! I'm really excited for you!!
Thanks Bruce for the kind words. -Matt
i absolutely love how you guys are so informative and provide a ton of info. I think the max 42 is definitely the one to go with. the prefab hulls and parts and gel coat are going to provide the edge needed to get you back on the water sooner and add the best resale value confidence. Ive done a lot of diy projects and the learning curve takes a few turns until i get it to a professional level and the cost add up in labor and material. So yes definitely prefab. Also I want to see you guys back on the water asap.
Have you looked into the Fusion 40’s?? Another moulded gel coat finished boat that’s designed well and that’s available in kit form. There’s nearly 100 on the water sailing the world.
I’ve got a life time of experience living on and building boats and I’d say building has to be one of the hardest but most rewarding ways to get a boat. Fantastic video good luck with it and look forward to seeing you both on the water!
Am looking into fusion kit also, while Matt;s comparison in btwn schonning only…. Have any comparison btwn fusion 40 and max42??
I think it is a no brainer! Go with the Max and since they are new perhaps you can get a great deal as an official instruction video. Good luck, looking forward to see the progress.
I am so anxious for the two of you to to begin the physical build of your new catamaran! I do not sail, nor ever plan to sail. Yet I have a great interest in sailing, and learning all about it. I have learned so many things about sailing since I first discovered your channel years ago. You both have been excellent instructors! With your combined knowledge and experience, I know you will make every decision with careful thought, and will find your dream catamaran in the end! You are absolutely #1
A great way to start sailing is to join a local sailing club and take classes there. It's relatively inexpensive to use their boats, and much fun.
@15.50. Details! Yes! I so wish everyone could provide such detailed drawings when they are selling a boat, new or used.
I'm looking for a boat but I'm probably looking at slightly less race, slightly more comfortable and slightly bigger, but this is really nice. Plus the advantage you have with a smaller boat is draft (specially with dagger boards). I really like the idea of getting into them little protected alcoves where there is only about 2m of water, and 1-1.5m of entry at high tide.
Nice use of space, no waisted space or overduplication anywhere.
Lots of options with the layout of this boat.
Why do you favor outboards? Yes, they can be easily removed, worked on or replaced, but the likelihood of needing to do so is much higher than with the diesel inboards.
I only just bumped into you. I really liked your video. You now have another subscriber. :)
All the best with your construction and subsequent sailing! Looking forward to your construction videos (should you choose the Max 42).
Addendum: Just saw the date posted. Figure the build may be over by now. Will watch all your construction vids now, and hopefully some sailing vids and you comments on how you now feel about the design, performance (and if complete, the livability) of your new boat.
I agree with the outboard. I see so many people fumbling over their diesels, forced to haul out to fix a saildrive or just break something on the propeller with flotsam.
On my cat we had outboard and it was so easy to fix things and swap it out. The outboard of my dinghy was also put to use when needed.
The biggest problem was the noise of the outboard (high pitch whine) and I heard that cruser are wary of carrying gas in case of lightning strikes.
With the outboard I would add a small generator hooked to the fuel system. That way you never run out of power and you don’t have to oversize the solar system soo much.
Cheap, quick, easy to fix or replace all around the world.
Hey guys, glad to see how excited you are and how close the decision is for you. If you are going down the path of the fibreglass and moulds, I suggest you check out the Life On The Hulls youtube channel - this is an Australian guy who bought catamaran moulds and is building a cat with the same type of construction you are looking at for the Max 42. He comes from a fibreglassing background building surf kayaks and has heaps of tips & tricks you can use. All the very best with selling Elements and for your decision and the adventure ahead - I look forward to watching you each week and look forward to seeing where you go from here!
Great looking cat, I can really imagine living the good life on that. Love the big galley, and the advantages you mentioned for the build are very attractive. Looking forward to the next video already!
That Max 42 looks impressive . If you go for that one , surely it would make more sense for you to go to Vietnam , rent a shed and build it right there . Save the shipping costs , and as a bonus I bet labour is very cheap there , so if necessary you could hire some help .
Yes- not to mention nice weather, cheap food and perhaps less sales tax on supplies? Would documentation of a vessel made outside the US be more difficult?
Yeah I'd do that too, be an amazing experience living there also I'd wager.
Plus any issues you can go knock on the builders door. ;)
GreAt idea. When you factor the savings in shipping that’s a win. Just load a giant crate of tools and pay the baggage fee. Probably be $500 to take the essentials with you. Rent an apartment for $200 a month and hire a couple local hands.
Alfa SpiderVeloce, Vietnam has nice weather?!? Has it changed 🤔
MAX 42👍, already gelcoated with a semi-custom layout, depending on overall materials and build price, that's my winner! I like the convertible raised helm option that can get you down into the cockpit with nasty weather. The rig and engine options are very nice too, I'm ready to spend your money! 💰💰💰
Magnificent design and build technique. Just read about it today so I have been searching online for all information. I saw your container unloading video first and was very impressed with how well thought out the design is for home builders. I lived aboard a 40 ft light weight cruiser/racer trimaran for 6 years and the deck space, cabin space, and speed made it a fantastic boat. Then cats started getting better designed but heavy and slow.
The Max 42 is going to be very popular and I am very tempted... but too old to build another boat.
While cats have many great features and qualities, the light ones really move around quickly which takes getting used to when walking the decks and when below. You get used to it but guests will feel like they are in a small airplane in turbulence. Most are also very noisy below at speed with the water rumbling along the hulls which takes getting used to when trying to sleep.
One other danger of a fast boat is hitting floating objects at sea. My boat (and the Max 42) will sail at 12 kts in any good breeze and will exceed 20 kts in a good breeze when surfing ocean swells. My knotmeter only went to 20 and it was often pegged for long periods when surfing and 18 kts when reaching. Very exciting, very fun, but very wet going to windward with a fire-hose blast as the upwind bow pierces the waves. It is easy to drop sails at night to slow the boat down for safety and dropping the speed to "only" 10 knts make the boat feel so slow and easy moving. And much quieter below.
Crossing from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico to Hawaii was 20 days without pushing the boat at all but one day we saw something floating up ahead and it turned out to be a huge log at least 8 ft diameter and it was quite long. We were only doing 12 kts as we slid past it but we talked about what damage it would do to our boat if we hit it. We were fortunate to see it at all but what if we hadn't seen it? What if we had been going faster? What if we plowed into it at night? There is a lot of floating junk out there and some of it is heavy and will cause serious damage.
However, it is much easier to sail a fast boat slower when prudent than to try to speed up a slow boat!
You made an excellent choice to build this boat and I really look forward to the construction videos.
I am subscribed of course!
Life must be full of emotion at the moment but how exciting when a plan is starting to come together. Don't know anything about catamarans (always been a mono sailor) but you cannot beat that professional finish! Good luck and look forward to seeing it happen!
This is the first cat that I could put in my 'Beautiful' category. I really, really like it....and all of its options! What a great job you two have done in canvasing the world and telling us about this and the other various do-it-yourself cat's! Thank you both!!
Edit: I hope that this "performance" boat will not be too light or short to comfortably sail in blue water....
I agree with your concerns about it being too light for blue water sailing and the hulls look like they need another two or three feet in the stern for proper aft buoyancy.
Wow! Using out board engines instead of built in engines seems brilliant. Most of the big problems being worked on on the hard seem to be engine prop related. Being able to easily lift off the engines for repairs will be so nice and changing them out will be easy too.
worked on a boat with longshaft outboards, for coastal cruising its fine but actual ocean crossing inbuilt diesels is the only way with either shaft or said drive is the only way atm
Gasoline Flammability is a hazard that can be minimized utilizing diesel which is combustible (non-flammable). Also, sailing range is better with diesel engines, of course if you are crossing oceans.
yep advantage of diesels, they dont go boom if you have a fuel leak, more efficient, more torque and its more important for pushing a boat, more reliability I would only go petrol for coastal cruisers. If you wanna see a train wreck theres a youtuber pulling cummings diesels out of a 40ft power boat and replacing them with LS petrol. Could be a train wreck
There are diesel outboards too. I'm guessing the cost and difficulty finding a service center and parts would negate the benefits.
I think the max 42 is the winner, faster build time and no. sanding seems like a win-win, cost would be the only real factor i think
I 100% agree!!
Oh please. NO SANDING 🤣😂🤣
VEGAS would take that bet...how much fo you have?!?
So excited to watch you guys build the next chapter of your lives!! Max 42 it is!! ;-)
Matt's reaction to the "human sushi board" comment was priceless.
The Max seems to be a very good concept. I like the idea of preformed shapes over a flat pack and the gelcoat finish is definitely a better way to go.
Agree with much of the comment directly below from 86daily, but SO FAR, SO GOOD! #1 choice for me - so far. The hull concept alone would tilt my head quite a way in this direction vs twisting flat panels hither and yon, praying that the joints hold and then making it all look great from the outside. IF this company has a good track record in the past, that also counts for much. I'm not as concerned about the "cheap labor country" as quite a few GREAT cats come from the Far East and from South Africa, etc. Perhaps they don't seem as hidebound by "tradition" in design and construction tech as others??
It sounds as if they are willing to help design everything to your wishes, so go for it, it will save you so much time, money, without compromises, and will enable you to travel the seas again much faster.
Glorious glorious sanding? I've been watching Mads from Sail Life sanding for the past 3 years, still amazing. Having said that, really looking forward to the build!
I think this is the winner... on the duel outboard option, you might want to check to see if there’s a Diesel option small enough to fit.
Jess looking great....
I love the new Option. Sure wish I was 40 years younger. Have you thought of building it in Vietnam Nam? Very inexpensive and you would have the factory close for support if required. Also it’s a beautiful country with beautiful people. Can’t wait to start the build.
Makes perfect sense
exactly , what's is the point to build ourself a catamaran if you can have it done in vietnam at cheap cost ?
That is a great looking boat! Those molded hulls and modules will have a much better look and finish. Love the galley & salon layout. If the heads are big enought consider a 4/2 layout and turn one of the forward cabins into laundy/workroom like another commenter suggested. I am so ready for you to get this build going.!
Too cool, can't wait to watch this build.
So excited for your build!!!!
With all this enthusiasm and how the components are delivered, etc, etc,. Looks like you have already made your decision. Don't see the need to continue to labor over it !! ❤️ JUST DO IT !!!
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You will be in the water that much sooner. 👌👍
The idea of assembling your own boat is a great, what better way to know how your boat functions than to put it together yourself.
I like the containerised idea, get a 3rd 40' container (side open if possible) and a container span roof and you have your workshop on any suitable bit of land.
Having pre fab hulls and still fitting it all into 40 foot containers is a game changer
WOW! It is beautiful. Plus back on the water sooner! I vote MAX.
Shoot, I think the MAX is the real winner here!
Sounds like this boat get the best of all worlds, customization, build experience and speed of build.
First of all, beautiful backdrop for this discussion.
"As quick as Matt can!" Matt, you did a good job. And Jessica's injected comments make it even more entertaining.
Great overview of the initial build process and overview. Can really tell that both of you have done a tremendous amount of research on all the boat choices including this one. You are both so conversant on all the details.
Couple of questions. One of the benefits of the aluminum hull, you said more than once, was that you didn't worry about exterior scuffing/scraping of the hull. This gelcoat design looks beautiful. How hard will it be to repair superficial hull damage? Second, because you have more of the external build completed early, I assume that will allow you to begin living aboard sooner in the build. Is this also true?
You were really enthusiastic about this option and it was infectious. I think it has been my favorite so far, too. And you'd be back in the water sooner!!!
Thanks for bringing us along!
Hit them up for a sponsorship. if these guys are smart they would sponsor you. You said it, we’re introducing it to the world! I had not heard of the Max 42 until now, so think how much marketing they will get from you guys!
I think something could be worked out, haha.
Yeah marketing and also "how to" videos for future customers.....it's a win win for sure!
@@MJSailing Really "carefully worked out" could spare You slidin' down La Vaga Chausséé, too. And the build - I'd go for Viet Nam, Thailand or Malaisia as building place. The Covid-problem is massive, yes, I tried to get into Malaisia for a boat project since March, too, (in vain to date), but working with an actual building firm as a RUclips channel with 120 k+ followers should give You opportunities I do not have with my preowned project boat on my noname wishlist. Their economies are suffering, too, and bringing in work as well as a marketing boost should find some open ears at least, I'd suppose.
Those nations are well skilled and to be honest, the work they could contribute would be done by non-native North-American workers in North-America, too (minus You two self builders, of course).
Cheers.
@@MJSailing Maybe promise them to have your boat at the Annapolis boat show . That should be worth some money to them
Amazing choice. It looks great.
One thing you should consider is building in a tool utility area because I saw one channel where some rich guy designed his second Leopard and he had one of the cabins duel use with a built in tool store and utility area.
Much better than last week - back on topic to boats & sailing not countryside walks!
You should check out the Fusion Catamarans prefab/component kit.
Wow, cool design. Few designs offer options for both dagger boards and outboard engines. Lots of freedom in all those options on the Max Cruise, and that is what it is all about.
What a great design, it's like a Seawind, Outremer lovechild ( that's good thing! ) Good luck in whichever way decide.
Looks bloody awesome best of basically all worlds IMHO. Can hardly wait to see your decision and build ;)
Fantastic explanations of reasoning.. Just found your channel & excited to follow your dream..! Well wishes from NZ, City of Sails (AKL)
I am planning on doing something similar to what you are doing. There are a couple of issues I have with the Max Cruise 42, first off it is very small and light, it won't be able to carry much without a large loss of performance. It also doesn't sound like it has enough bridge deck clearance.
Retractable aft engines sound great except that they pop out in waves and over rev. They are basically useless in inlets with opposing wind, waves and current.
Also consider ditching the sail idea, you will never recoup the fuel costs vs all the costs of a sail plan, not to mention it takes less time to build.
The build time and material costs of a 40 footer and a 50 footer ( and longer) are similar, limiting the length because of shipping container constraints doesn't make much sense.
One last thing, if displacement hull speed is sufficient, fuel economy can be very good and the engine size can be relatively small.
Congrautations guys, I wish you the best build ever. peace
After watching that I think you have made your decision. It looks great and if it was me I would run with it. Cheers Ian Langley New Zealand
3 years later. Still building.
With another year to go!!
How exciting! I can't wait to have Matt go through all the details of the two final choices - seriously! This looks to be a very clever compromise - for a little extra shipping and kit cost, you get a big reduction in build time, so you get to spend more time building the bits that are interesting and will make the boat yours. I'd check that they are on course for their projected build weights - and it would be very easy to over-engineer the final assembly and end up gaining a load of unnecessary weight - you want to save the payload allowance for things that make living aboard more pleasant, and the sailing more fun. That's why Dazcats work so well - very carefully managed builds, and no excess fat - just incredibly strong but light boats through attention to detail and their build experience. We have news too - I'm buying Star, the Pat Patterson Twins 43 that's been on brokerage with the Multihull Centre, as a liveaboard. Don't worry, EasyTiger will still be my favourite sailing machine! I decided that I couldn't make one boat do everything, so Star comes into our lives as an ideal floating home, and one that has circumnavigated the Southern Ocean, so could take us ANYWHERE! Cheers, Julian
Oh, and do think about the drive options, and the charging implications. Outboards usually have low charging output - enough to recharge their starter batteries, but not a large boat's systems (and also no hot water as a by-product). A generator, larger battery banks and/or more solar panels can compensate, but all add weight. I hate to say it, but the diesel engine often ends up the most efficient for weight vs power needs. Electric is getting there, but you need sponsorship (like Uma and La Vagabonde) or deep pockets at the moment, and expect to sail 95% of the time, and manage with minimal consumption on things like fridges (and definitely no aircon).
Thanks for sharing this. Im in the market for a daggerboard catamaran at 42 feet. so having this on the radar is very helpful. thank you
Just the way you speak tells me you've made up your mind. Really looking forward to the build vids.
Amazing project you guys ! Thanks for sharing !!!
Wow......lots of options.
The way the lines are run at 11:45 and 12:45 look like they might be an issue with that sharp angle bend as they are run past the solar? A more direct routing would make for less effort and less wear don't you think?
I like the galley layout and the squared corner settee. I am not interested in building my own boat, but if they do a full build option, it might be worth considering...
I hope you got a good discount. I recently got in touch with Max Cruise Marine about pricing. To put it politely, they are extremely proud of their workmanship according to their price point.
It sounds like they are trying to compete with the Fusion 40, what was their price point? The Fusion 40, last checked is 125k AD or 105k USD
@@_mysilentblue2227 Sorry it’s been quite a while since I posted that. I think I deleted the email. It was way up there though. Even as a kit it was on the pricey side. I know with boats you often get what you pay for. Although I do remember thinking that if I was going to pay this much for a cat, I would buy a Privilege instead.
I think building from pre moulded components is plenty of work in itself! This really looks like a perfect option. Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting options going with the Max 42
The Max 42 looks great, as its a new boat they could give you a great deal for publicising the build process.
I would get the Bar Island. It's got good storage, hookups, handholds, a counter for food / fish prep, layout space, and many other functions. If it's not there, its just wasted space you walk through to get to something that has some kind of function. It doesn't block the view and unless you plan on needing dance space, I'd diffidently get the island.
A VN boat, wow! The pix you shared say a lot about what we know o f VN. Much has changed in fifty years. Bless you guys on your new adventure.
I’m very impressed with everything about this cat - especially as a modular kit- subscribed to keep following the build as it comes (especially coming from a family obsessed with aluminum expedition boats- our current boat is 26 tons lol) forgive me father for I have sinned and lusted after performance catamarans 🤣
Cannot wait to see y'all get started! I was around for the last build, I sure this will be just as informative! Thanks for keep us up to date, and excited to see how things go! Please take care, here from GA.
The Max 42 looks like the best option, build process looks great. I love the option for outboard engines, easier to to maintain and you don't have the drag when sailing if you can tilt them. You could get diesel outboard and an electric outboard, look at Torpedo Outboards.
Hey Matt & Jessica, this is the second time I've watched this video in its entirety, it's a very interesting introduction to the boat and the brand. I love that galley too, every cat should be set up that way! Couple of things I'd love you guys to talk about on the next video looking at the Schionning Arrow and the Max-42. What do you expect your cruising payload to be? The Max-42 has a payload of 4840 lb., which is a huge amount of gear, food, water, fuel, spare parts, etc. - most couples can sail long distances with far less stuff on board their boat. Which of the two designs looks to handle loads better? And two, if you were to cruise with a all -up displacement of 14,440 (with 3,000 lb. of stuff) what will the bridgedeck clearance be? What with the hull length to beam ratio be at that displacement? It looks like the Max-42 will be a pretty stellar design if sailed at a lower than the designed displacement. Also, I really do like it when Matt gets into all the details, this is very informative material that can't be found elsewhere. Thanks a ton for doing these videos!
You guys rock! I love that you take the time explaining the builds. I find it so interesting 📐⚒💪⛵️
Sounds like you've already made your decision. Looking forward to seeing the build
Sounds like you guys are convinced on the Max 42. Can't wait to see the build and have you guys get back to cruising.
Wow sounds like a fun project! Can't wait to see it come together. I seen Elements the other day and she's still looking pretty!
You saw her?! Awwww, we miss her.
@@MJSailing Yep, tucked in a corner safe and sound at Premier.
All in all a great concept and wonderful looking catamaran, a kit with a clear beginning and ending. Not like most efforts, started with enthousiasme en sold after X years as a unfinished project. This is getting a lot of work done and so maintain the curv of getting there by each component you put together.
It's fun to see you excited about the new boat. Don't know if you checked the latest La Vagabond yet but just when you thought of everything, in walks in a new performance sail maker and a totally electric engine designer . Who knows, you might even get partnership options yourselves. I like the layout of this Max 42. Methinks you might want to consider upping the budget projections though because I can see a lot of things going on the wish list. Good luck.
Have you considered building it in Vietnam near the factory and launching there?
Hi guys, don’t know a lot about Cat’s, but from what I’ve seen of your videos, seams like the Max42 would be the better option, reduced build time, gelcoat, makes for easier cleaning and higher resale, and just seams like a stronger better quality boat overall. It also seams to check off most of the marks of what your looking for. Tough decision, but I’m hoping you choose the Max42. 👍😀
Okwe talked it over....compared and decided it's the 42. What you thought YOU were deciding? On a serious note it does check so many boxes an DC ithink you two would be so so happy with it. It is most definately your decision about your new home. Hope you get some needed rest and come to a happy decision. Have fun guys. Hug each other more! Hugs from Canada
Looks to me like the Max 42 is the way to go. You still get the very hands on build experience which you both love, and at the end, will put you in the unique position of knowing every system and every component of every system on the boat. You will install those systems, hands on info you can't get any other way.
You also get all the other benefits of the "sweat equity" that comes with a project like this but without a huge chunk of the misery that goes with it...the endless sanding, the mold stuff, etc. If this boat has the layout you two like (and it seems you do) then I can't find a downside to doing it based on what you have shared with us.
I think they will sell a lot of these, and if you choose this boat, I think you two will be responsible for a bunch of those sales.
Bottom line, do what makes you happy, you are building your home for many years to come. I would also pass on the island option, knowing that down the road should you want one you two can design and build a custom one that suits your needs perfectly.
Interesting news and a much quicker build for you with the precast hulls. An airplane hanger with its wide doors and depth will fit the beam well and allow for easy moving around as you build. With the quicker build time, it will reduce your costs too. ( just need to find one near water ) . The fun part is the decisions. Enjoy. All the best , Hal
I have just taken delivery of my Schionning ARROW 12 (SeaBiscuit) built in Knysna South Africa- It exceeds all expectations.
Some thoughts-1.consider a rotating mast-it is a revelation in performance. The MAX 42 looks as if it deserves it.
2.consider tiller steering-simple bullet proof.
3.consider diesel an shaft drive with feathering props-petrol outboard inefficient/dangerous/poor reverse/problem in lumpy seas /short range/and the need of gas hot water and probable generator(no reasonable alternators)
4.lithium battery/solar/
5.Their weight estimates look somewhat over optimistic especially if not using epoxy or carbon
6.consider structural rigidity with such an open bridge deck.
How about doing the build near the factory???
The Max 42 sounds great. Did you decide on a build location? Can't wait to see the build videos
Thanks for sharing the discovery of another contender. I'm looking forward to hearing Matt's detail discussion.
To be honest: by FAR it sounds like the BEST option for you!
Great little teaser update, the max is a contender🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
Leveraging a mold is a good idea. Better shape, smoother finish, etc.. assuming the mold and processes are good.
And a forward Nav station, Perfect.
My #1 concern is first model's of anything can be SKETCHY!! Full of bugs and miscues. Good luck with the boat build!!!
If we go with Max Cruise, we'll be hull #3.
@@MJSailing Right, The only way that I would touch that, is if it is free. I don't think being a guinea pig should cost me shit. You will have a lot riding on a unproven design!!! As before GOOD LUCK!!!
I don't remember where you are at but if I were building such a craft why don't you build it in Vietnam where the parts are coming from. Save on shipping, cost of living and you might even get cheaper labor to help you along on the whole project. If you have any question those people may be able to assist you quicker also. Lots of Love
Problem is that we can't get into Vietnam... And it doesn't look like that will change soon. We talked about South Africa as well, but again, they aren't letting in Americans. -Matt
@@mattjohnson6716 Hi Matt, to get in Vietnam now you have to have a company that will sponsor your entry to Vietnam, I'm familiar with the process. If you want I can provide you with the information.
drkmn3112 Due to covid Americans are band from traveling just about anywhere. Rather, than visa issues.
@@philthefarrier9469 if you have a sponsor company, tested negative before boarding the flight and isolate in designated hotel upon arrival then no problem. I just finish the application of an American. He will flight in on Oct 12nd, transit in Korea.
@@mattjohnson6716 shoot me an email if you guys need more information, ndtho3112@gmail.com.
How exciting! The Max Cruise looks very good. I have a feeling this is another Aussie company, out of Vietnam, like SW. You deserve a good deal. Your videos are great and you put in the hard yards again and again (and again!) Besy wishes for the build.
Oh, love twin helms. The raised single helm position might have advantages for long passages.
Twin outboards! We have a SW with twin outboards. Definitely pros and cons with these. Big pro, cheap and easy to replace and engines can be tilted right out of the water. Cons:- Cavitation can be an issue in choppy seas. Fuel economy. No hot water. We are coast hopper so the outboards are fine. For passages, I think diesel would be a lot better. Food for thought.
@@deemacvee1 Thanks for that David. Are yours the extra long shaft or standard long shaft? How often do they cavitate? What type of conditions? All great info.... and Seawind owners are about the only ones we get to ask :)
-Matt
@@mattjohnson6716 Ours is a SW1000. Just fits under our local bridge. Twin Yam 9.9 hight thrust extra long. The 1160 lites have the Yammie 25s or Hondas usually. We sail off the NSW coast and that can be quite rough. Cavitation is a problem heading into a sea. We try and avoid it by picking the weather. You will do that more in a cat because cats are just so much more comfortable off the wind than close hauled. I think the longer cats may cavitate less and hobby horse less due to the extra length. It is something I would look into as you guys do long passages. Maybe get some references from others and ask the question. She has very nice lines, but where is the BBQ?
Sounds stunning. Many advantages. Looking forward to seeing the build.
As commented before, the balsa core materials of the Schonning is not a material I would choose, especially for re-sale in the States where they all want "production" boats. With that in mind, the gelcoat finish over a foam core is very appealing, and being modular the 10 month time difference and less sanding, a huge plus. I did like the idea of another commenter, of putting in the pads or base for inboard engines for a future change, if you choose outboards. Max Marine do not have much detail on their website, would your boat be the first one?
Go with this one. The faster build looks particularly attractive.
Sounds great guys :)
Sorry if you covered this in another video. How much does the kit cost?
The cost, including lots of other information is covered in this video: ruclips.net/video/rVdn7v-GZgQ/видео.html
Would you consider an electric drive like the Oceanvolt? I know it is expensive. But if it could be gotten, would you do it?
The outside of the Max looks a lot like Ruby Rose2 , just a bit smaller. The build of the max looks like it comes from the Rapido trimaran factory in Vietnam, they use the same vinal resin. just a guess though. If you have time SV Lilliput bought a second hand Schonning in Malaysia. In the galley area she said something about the head height being to short for her boyfriend because of the shape of the roof. Worth considering because as you know comfort is everything in cruising. Difficult choice. Have fun.
Reminds me of how they put together quick build kits for airplanes. the tech has been around a long time and it is nice to see the boating industry has taken some tips from the aviation industry. are any of these boats on the water and have been sailed extensively? we may have to fund a trip to Vietnam for you to fully immerse yourself into the possibilities.
Here's another tip from aviation: Never buy the A model.
I vote for the Max 42! What a great looking boat1
Great idea, I will have to look into it myself. Thanks for sharing
Definitely go to the Max
I don't know enough about building a boat to give an informed opinion, but I don't see any way to go wrong with the Max from what I see here.
@20:00 Lots of Blue Jays~ Back in the mid west are we?
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Good eye! -Matt
I vote for the Max 42 and the build site in Vietnam. My only reservation is I’m not sure the 42 is going to be big enough for the two of you. May want to consider looking for something in the 50-60 foot range.
I can't see any reason we would need something that big, lol.