I heard some ppl complaining that Gary Oldman’s Sirius was too calm and the Sirius in the books was supposed to be more chaotic and crazy. I personally love how Gary Oldman portrayed Sirius.
100 percent. This is how it would have been if the wonderful, Remus John Lupin didn't save Harry. "Nice one, James!" *Falls into veil* Harry: *screaming* *runs into veil after him...........* That would have been the end of the franchise. Lupin...I love and greatly appreciate you😍🥰
@@lexilovesjesus9129 absolute king. not to mention he taught harry the extremely difficult to master, patronus charm. is there anything this man can’t do?
@@ellieparry1463 I don't think so! He is kind, loving, caring, and a freaking good Wizard. He also is like an uncle or maybe a father figure of some sort to Harry.
This made me so angry because honestly the battle at the department of mysteries could have been avoided if Harry had just gone to his room and used mirror shard that Sirius gave him.
Literally was talking to someone about this the other day! He had forgotten about the small gift/package Sirius gave him before he returned to Hogwarts after Christmas
@@stormyweather745 he did goad him into leaving the house basically and let’s face it the book was kinda realistic that Harry was at some point a really angry teenager who made poor choices.
@@Base_light Me, too! Severus Snape's death was so sad. He never truly lived after Lily's death so in a way his death was a big relief for several reasons. Being a go-between Lord Voldemort and the Order and Dumbledore was not an easy juggling act.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry movie ootp wasn't that bad, it had all the things mostly right and cut a lot of the more boring parts of the book, they only fucked up with that scene and didnt include some stuff in the ministry id have liked to see but overall not bad (like hbp adaptation)
@@kaenachoo4783 the book with all caps Harry ruins everything for me! Look at that movie coming off of the rest you see Harry mature and you also see how much pain he’s actually in without ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME.
I genuinely want to know, in The Batlle Of The Department Of Mysteries; how many prophecies actually were broken and destroyed forever and did the destruction of however many prophecies have any visible effect on the wizarding world?
The prophecies stored in the department are only copies, so technically no prophecies were destroyed. Let’s put it this way: A prophecy is the actual telling, not the memory or record stored of the telling, so a true prophecy can’t be destroyed. Perhaps not the best details here, but I hope I shed some light on your query!
One thing I like about the movie version of Sirius's death is his finale words. I find it more heartbreaking that his last words are a remembrance of his best friend instead of a taunt to an enemy
But it ruins Harry and Sirius relationship abit he was finally seeing Harry as more then Just a clone of James and that’s why the line In the movie is kind of bad
@@Ckrost he wasnt seeing Harry as a clone, he saw that he really was James's son, and the two were really alike in every aspect. In the heat of the battle, him calling Harry James is so emotional
@KFC It's not that deep, it's a slip up from Sirius because fighting alongside Harry reminded him of the antics he and James used to get into probably. Nothing to do with only seeing James in Harry, more so the situation bringing back memories
@@S1L3NTK1LL3R51 no, no. they’re using “is”to describe their opinion on sirius, not sirius himself. so, using “was” wouldn’t make sense, since sirius is still their favourite character
I don't think it's so much a case of "needing to create dramatic effect" as it is a case of over-simplification for people watching the film that have never read the books. We learn quite early on in the films that Avada Kedavra is the killing curse. A casual film-watcher only has no clue that there are a multitude of spells that can stun, petrify, maim, etc. They've heard Expelliarmus, Avada Kedavra, Wingardium Leviosa, Stupefy and only a couple others. You get a far greater knowledge of just how many spells there actually are if you read the books. The filmmakers need to "dumb down", for lack of a better phrase, the amount of spells used so someone watching the film can think, "Oh, that's the spell that kills. Gotcha." They wouldn't even understand the significance of the Veil or anything to do with the entire Department of Mysteries in the first place. I see a lot of over-simplification in all large fandoms when it comes to the whole book to film translation.
that was my thought as well. they needed to make it clear to the non-readers that there was no coming back. otherwise, people would be like Harry and wonder what happened.
As a movie watcher I agree there’s legit so much unexplainable things so now I have to buy the books. But I also think that after awhile of watching the movies (watched them all 100 times) you start to learn what certain things are but when reading books you learn instantly
@@denizkenger52 therein lies the problem with "dumbing down" screenplays from books. They make it so a wider audience understands the plot but they inevitably create inconsistencies.
@@denizkenger52 also except for barty crouch jr in the movies everyone keeps their own voice when they drink polyjuice potion while in the books they have the voice of the person they`re disquised as
Am I the only one who thinks the department of mysteries battle was too short in the film. I wanted to see dazed Ron and the brain room. We also only get to see like a minute of the Death Eaters vs the Order. I still love the movie though. 👍🏻
Yess!!! I wanted to see that! And Ginny didn't break her ankle in the movie...not that I wanted to see that but still. And I wanted to see the moving rooms!
Time constraints. If they were to include everything from the books they'd either need to double the length of the films, which would massively damage sales, or make twice the number of films which would take twice the time resulting in 25 year old actors portraying 17 year olds by the end of the series. There's an opportunity cost to everything in life.
One of my favourite scenes that got left out was when Harry walks towards the veil almost entranced, hearing faint and whispers behind it. He almost tries to go through it but Hernione called his name and he stopped. He actually came close to death here.
A small thought from the movie perspective. If Sirius was already incredibly close to the veil's "gate" then perhaps it made Avada Kedavra function abnormally. Like instead of just slapping the soul out of him the veil just kind pf reached out and grabed him when he died. And the looking around was only possible due to that specific situation.
I thought it looked in the movie like the curse naroowly missed him and he passed out from the adrenaline rush mixed with the relief that he hadn't been hit. The veil just happened to be where he fell back
So, according to Rowling’s original notes Sirius was never going to be murdered, by instead he preferes to cross the veil then suffer the dementors kiss. In other words, he was going to commit suicide to escape his depression (dementors are a literal metaphor for depression). Dude now his death just feels a lot more painful 💔
Wouldn’t the invisibility cloak Harry had allow the user to pass through the veil? If it was truly one of the deathly hallows death would not see him go through - just a thought. Maybe a video on that ;))
it can still “feel” him lmao. and none of the deathly hallows can actually hide/save from death, even if you have all three. they were actually created by the brothers themselves, the children’s tale about death giving the hallows to them is... well, a children’s tale
Anyone can pass through the veil. In fact, it is inevitable for all mortal beings. The real trick is coming back out. Perhaps it is possible for the master of all three of the artifacts known as The Deathly Hollows, but I wouldn't be sure of that.
@@lollipopluxury3265 it was never established that what the last brother did didn't happen. For all we know he did hide from death for all of those years until he gave the cloak to his kid.
Apparently they had to mute Harry when he was screaming/crying when lupin stopped him from chasing after Sirius. Cause it was gut wrenching or something. Some serious stuff man...
Video Suggestion: Why didn't Harry Potter use Dumbledore's Pensieve to show Fudge his memory of the graveyard and prove that Voldemort returned, and while were at it why didn't he use it to show Fudge what happened in the shrieking shack to exonerate Sirius? I feel like a lot of the problems in the series could have been solved by simply using the Pensieve
@@peradabanbaruindonesia1546 True, but I'd think that would require great skill. Slughorn's case could be different as he is experienced and needed to do anything in his power to alter the memory. We've seen Harry accomplish many crazy things at such a young age like a full corporeal patronus, but only after practice. He wouldn't have been able to.
I agree. Dan acted beautifully in that scene. It made it so much more dramatic and sad.....heartbreaking. I feel for Harry so much. He had an awful 10 years with 3 people who absolutely hated him for being the most famous Wizard. And then he went to his real home...Hogwarts. he almost died every year. When he finally gets a "normal" life he is already out of school. And loosing Sirius, Fred, Remus, Albus, his parents.....Snape.😢
Sirius is one of the few characters that I didn't cry for when watching his death. I usually cry like a baby so I felt bad that I didn't even shed a tear watching him die, he is my favorite character of all time in any fandom. I think I've realized that you cry for characters' deaths' when they aren't fulfilled with their lives. Sirius, I believe, was. He knows how awful things have been for him, but he also knows that the few good moments he has are genuine and true which was, and should be for the rest of us, enough. He was a philosopher and an artist, he was overflowing with virtue. Truly an inspiration. I know this will be strange for a few people to read, but it really is beautiful when a character can touch someone's heart like Sirius touched mine.
I seriously need an optimal series where so many people don't die, notably: Sirius Dumbledore Remus Lily and James Mad-Eye Moody Fred All of these guys were AMAZING. Also, I want to have a book where Harry didn't actually get picked for the Triwizard tournament.
Though I can understand the sentiment behind this, it would take away the gravity of the main story and reduce the impact of its message(s). I'm not saying you have to go all Game of Thrones on your characters to achieve this, rather I think it was done very well in Harry Potter. Good and beloved people suffer needlessly when evil is allowed to thrive.
Well, I always wondered what happened when Bellatrix used the killing curse. It didn't kill him instantly like it was supposed to. One theory I've had is that it could have something to do with Bellatrix herself. She said in the books that you had to mean them. While there can be little doubt she meant to kill Sirius, Bellatrix was shown to care about her family like Narcissa and Draco to at least some extent. She even killed her niece Nymphadora in the Deathly Hallows, but perhaps there was some small part of her that regretted having to kill a member of her own family even though she didn't show it. Also, in the film she appeared almost shocked for a moment after she killed Sirius before she chuckles and runs off. Perhaps she just hadn't put the right theory into her killing curse when she used it in the film.
Until book seven I sincerely thought Siruis had the worst death because it was a non death. The sparks that hit him were red, which usually means a stunning spell. I literally thought he had fallen through, stunned, to the land of the dead. A land where time stands still. I thought he would be fated to just lie there, impotently, forever. Not allowed to properly die, because what would kill him there? It would have been the worst possible death for Sirius, who hated being confined. I was so glad to see in book seven that he did in fact properly die.
If the British Ministry of Magic is anything like their American counterpart in the Fantastic Beasts movie, the Veil is likely an execution chamber. The similarities between it and the MACUSA execution chamber are quite clear when you think about it- The rooms are both devoid of anything but the one thing that kills you and both rooms appear to be reinforced to some degree. Another possibility is that *this* is where the Ministry brings disorderly ghosts, as there are laws regarding ghosts (Moaning Myrtle, for example, was forced to stop stalking the girl she hated and return to Hogwarts. If she failed to comply, she would've likely been brought here and forcefully sent to the afterlife.) Or maybe it's both. Honestly, the fact is that the only reason we the audience don't know what this room is for is because Harry never finds out, and as readers of a third-person-limited-narration series, we rarely know anything that Harry doesn't. But we can reasonably intuit what it might be based on other things we know about wizards. They have, or used to have, the Death Penalty. And they have to deal with ghosts which might sometimes get uppity.
Exactly what I always thought about it since I read the book. But again they already has Dementor’s Kiss for that. Then what a point of killing them with the veil as execution tool.
Yeah, I hated her with all my heart. She's the meanest Death-eater in the Wizarding World, she was mental in killing her own cousin, if I was one of Sirius's cousins, I wouldn't do that(kill Sirius)
@@lilapotter7374 yeah same, I would never kill my own family members even if I hated them but I would at least stun them or do another spell that at least knocks them out lol
In the film, if you pay attention closely enough, Sirius was standing close to the arch of The Veil. Bellatrix's spell pushed him backwards. It's possible he "stood" for a bit and said something after he was struck because she had pushed him through and it was the last vestige of his soul standing there speaking.
I always took the Vale archway in the Department of mysteries to be a analogy for the Vale between the world of the living and the dead, so I always just assumed he fell into the world of the dead. So the minute he went through he died, meaning Harry couldn’t go and get him without immediately dying upon passing through. Hence why Lupin wouldn’t let him go
Thank you! This scene always bothered me because I never really understood this "Death Veil" thing. I've listened to the books some years ago, but I couldn't remember much of the details.
What if Harry let Cedric take the cup in GoF? What if Harry and Cedric took the cup before Wormtail came out of the building in GoF? Why is the full body bind curse not the most used spell throughout the series? (Srsly why) What if Harry failed to destroy the diary in CoS? Discuss why Veritaserum is used as a plot device and creates many plot holes. What if Dumbledore didnt block the killing curse for Harry in the Battle of the Ministry?
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry all points you make are good. I guess i shouldve specified more on the full body bind curse. Let me give an example, in PoA, how would the story play out if Harry used it on Peter instead of the Disarm charm?
Honestly if they didn't include her saying avada kedavra the depiction would have been perfect. It would even come across how Jo initially intended it where he chose death, cuz Sirius looks over at harry almost as if to say "I'm sorry to leave you" I need this edit so bad
Sirius dying specifically by Bellatrix's Avada Kedavra worked better for the plot than him simply being pushed into the veil or choosing it instead of Dementors. It not only added to Bellatrix's character in the story, but it served as the catalyst for Harry's first introduction to the use of dark magic. By watching Sirius get murdered, it created an easier to follow and more relatable plot that made his death more shocking and understandable by more casual viewers. It also put on display how truly evil and twisted Bellatrix was, being that she had no qualms with quickly killing her own cousin. I think it's well established that in the movie, Sirius was already dead when he fell into The Veil. I personally didn't put a lot of thought into the seconds it seemingly took for him to die after getting hit, as there could be so many in-universe explanations as to why it took more than an instant.
I was frankly anticipating the death of Albus Dumbledore when it took place. The killing of Sirius Black was completely unprecedented and heartbreaking. I will always wonder why he was taken out in Order of the Phoenix.
One thing I never got is that Bella's curse in the movie acts like a lightning bolt of green. When it hits Sirius, it's like it fizzes in front of him like it only hit a little or he blocked it a bit to strive off the instance effects but it's not enough to stop it completely.
In the film they could've done Bellatrix casting expelliarmus (don't know how to spell it) because not only does it knock wands out it sends people flying to the other side of something, here is my version of what happens. Bellatrix then casts out expelliarmus, hitting Sirius into the vail. Harry waited for him to come out of the other side. But, that did not happen. Then the story goes on like normal. Scene 2. to go with Jo's notes. Sirius could see the dementors coming to him, he couldn't run, even if he tried, the dementors were to strong, to fast, to powerful, he would suffer a fate worse than death. Sirius went through the vail, Harry waited from him to come out the other side, he waited, until he realised. Sirius was not coming back.
Idk this is probably just me. However, in the movie, it did look like sirius deflected the curse but accidentally walked back into the veil while deflecting and only got a second to react and realise what had just happened. Could be wrong but I like to think that’s what they were going for because it wouldn’t have made sense and also would break film continuity for him to recoil back with thought after being directly hit by the curse instead of being instantly killed like every other victim of the killing curse
I suspect horcruxes were not Voldemort's true idea of immortality. I have a passage from the book that may support this suspicion. "There was no hope of stealing the Philosopher's Stone anymore for I knew Dumbledore would have seen to it that it was destroyed. But I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before chasing immortality. I set my sights lower. . . I would settle for my old body back again and my old strength." ~Voldemort to the Death Eaters upon his rebirth. You'll notice he states that he set his "sights lower" implying he had a plan to achieve something greater than just returning in his old body. Thoughts?
Honestly I prefer the battle in the Department of Mysteries in the movie compared to the books. Its just so well thought out and I really loved the movies version. The book part was too dragged on and the death of Sirius not as well pronounced. But I loved the book's falling action much more. The movie just kind of says "Yeah Harry's kinda sad I guess" but the book just shows the close relationship with Sirius and Harry and makes the death that sad. Honestly I think the end of the Order of the Phoenix where Harry thinks about Sirius' death is much sadder than Sirius actually dying in the Department of Mysteries.
Avada only kills if the spellcaster really means it, really wants the person to die, otherwise it doesn’t work, so in the movies, maybe it shows another hidden level in the psychotic murderer’s soul, one even she ignores... maybe she didn’t really want to kill him. Maybe the one ounce of humanity still left in her took the best of her at that moment. Just for one brief fraction of a second. So if the arch wasn’t there, he may still be alive in the movies too.
@@orbit1894 Nope, all 3 unforgivable curses need you to be really skilled and to really mean it in order to work. To quote Barty Crouch in ‘Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire’, “Avada Kadavra is a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it. You could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I’d get so much as a nosebleed.” Also, during the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, Snape also stated that to cast Unforgivable Curses, one needed both nerve and ability. The "nerve" refers to really meaning it. He actually meant to kill Dumbledore, because that was the plan, although he didn't want for Dumbledore to die. "Wishing" for something to happen and "meaning" for it to happen are not the same. A soldier who throws himself on a grenade doesn't want to die, but he means to die so he can save his comrades. I don't want to spend three more years in university in order to torture myself with useless information and burry myself into debt, but I mean to do it so I can get the job I want in the great scheme of things. Etc.
Yeah, he should do a video about it Well, I'll give you a hint: Harry lost his parents, Luna lost her mother That's makes them hear voices from the veil and see Thestrals
Great video. I always felt he was hit with the killing curse and just simply disappeared after falling through the veil , similar to how in the movies. Only difference was the explanation of it being extremely more detailed in the book but you still have a great opinion on it. I guess i just to me it read differently because I wouldn't expect them to use any other curse in battle other than Avada Kadavra. Great content as always
Why doesn’t anyone mention the fact that Lupin not only had to hold Harry from going after his godfather, he also had to handle his sadness of his last best friend dying. Sirius’s death was the saddest 😭😭😭
If you want to explain this with some degree of trying to make the scene make sense, Bellatrix stated (in the books) that you have to have the appropriate intent and genuinely mean it when you’re using the Unforgivable Curses. It’s possible, in the movie that she didn’t fully mean it because Sirius is her blood cousin and the last male of the House of Black. Maybe not consciously but subconsciously she may have not wanted to basically kill off her family’s name which caused Sirius to have more of a delayed reaction and stumbling back into The Veil. Still, I believe the directors did this for dramatic effect since we got much closer to movie Sirius versus book Sirius during Order of the Phoenix.
I have watched the movies since I was a child and settled on them since I personally am not comfortable with book reading. but thanks to Jim Dale audiobooks I recently started hearing the books curious and anxioues to know the unsatisfaction book fans have over the movies. the first 2 films were pretty simular to the books. I saw people being very moody about minor movie|book differemces like how the characters look and all kind of stuff I felt are not to make such a fus about. at the 3rd I noticed some details being cut off but not to crucial. due to lack of screentime and budget I assume. at the 4th I noticed a huge chunck was cut off that I would love to see on screen and was dissapointed It wasent but still compromised it must be due to budget and available screen time. but it definetly gets more invested than what the movies showed at this point. I just finished the fifth one and I can say the change is very drastic here. so much so I came to this video and a few others to understand stuff I didint fully understood from the book *and werent even showen in the movie* which I deemed very important. and when I got to sirius death part and saw the difference with the avada kedavra and everything.. I realise they wanted a dramatic effect for the movies but they did majorly altered the story to much! I only wish we could have harry potter being a netflix series or somthing so no detail will be left out. 🙄 I still enjoy the movies and they make the book hearing easier but Im definetly glad to be catching on the books and I really enjoy them! I needed the vail explained after the fifth. thank you for the video!
As a filmmaker, Bellatrix’s killing curse was probably not added for dramatic effect. One of the most important things we have to consider is whether our audience will be able to understand the plot as it is conveyed on screen. The book does say that Sirius is dead because of the veil, yes. In the movie, you have to get that idea across differently, because you don’t (usually) have a narrator to tell the audience everything that’s happening. Film is visual (duh). So unless they wanted to add a whole scene or piece of dialogue to the movie where someone older and more knowledgeable tells Harry where it is that Sirius has gone, then they had to make absolutely sure there would be no doubt in the viewer’s mind that he was dead when he passes through the veil. Hence Bellatrix actually killing him with the killing curse. The audience already knows that that curse can kill because they’ve (most likely) seen the other movies first. So it takes away any need for verbal explanation that Sirius has died if we see Bellatrix kill him in a way that is familiar to the audience and cannot be misunderstood. Some things are left as vague in movies, as with any other art form, but this detail is important because it affects Harry so deeply. It would have been a bad idea to leave it vague, so they had Bellatrix outright murder him, not just push him into the veil. I do suppose that Harry’s conversation with Dumbledore a few scenes later could have included a very short explanation of what happened to Sirius, just like when Dumbledore explains the connection between Harry’s and Voldemort’s wands at the end of GoF. That probably would have been fine. Regardless, Bellatrix’s killing curse was not for dramatic effect. It was to convey the fact that Sirius is really and truly dead to the audience of a film, which is a different medium than print and must therefore go about explanations of plot differently in many situations.
I might be combining logic and magic too much, so don’t hate on me for this. I think that because of the human survival instinct, you would fear death. Or, per J.K Rowling’s style, the boggart itself because you are scared of what you are scared of thus meaning that you are scared of nothing real that a boggart can take the shape of?
What I like to think is that in the movies the killing curse has some force into it so it pushes the victim, like with Cedric. So maybe Bellatrix's curse pushed Sirius beyond the veil at the same time as killing him so what we see still standing and fading away is just his soul.
Does anyone think [Like me] that the veil is probably locked away for a good reason. It reminds me of the mirror of Erised;where people can go mad seeing the desire of their hearts,but go mad at not being able to achieve it. I don't think the veil should be left in the open for a similar reason. Imagine a person that has lost so many loved ones coming in front of the veil,and hearing their loved ones call to them. Sirius fell through accidently.But I imagine that over the ages the veil has caused a fair number of 'suicides' Meaning there are those that hear their loved one's calling,and intentionally walk through.
what most heart wrenching is that his death was peaceful, quite, and took it's time in otherwise a loud adrenaline filled battle. which makes it a bit unsettling in my opinion.
In the book bellatrix hit sirius with stupor and not avada kedavra. The hit made Sirus flew backwards into the veil. Thats why in the books harry doesnt get why sirius is not comming out of the veil, he doesnt understand he is dead. In the movie harry immediately understands that sirius is dead, because he was hit with avada kedavra.
@@lisaerk8487 Funny, that does make sense. I just remember when I read it I thought Harry knew Sirius was dead, he just couldn't admit it, refused to accept it. The book never specifies the colour of the spell that hits him, which is why I assumed it was the killing curse. It is specified that a jet of red light missed him, and Sirius laughs at Bellatrix. Then all it says is the second jet of light (not second jet of red light) hits him in the chest, and the ghost of his last laugh hasn't left his wasted face as he falls into the veil. I'm paraphrasing there of course. That made me think he was already dead at that point, but I could obviously be very wrong and it could indeed be a second stunner that hit him and knocked him back.
@@AlanHollowedPhotography if I remember right harry saw how the grin on sirius face changed into an shocked expression after he was hit. Yeah your right, it wasnt mentioned the second curse was stupor too, but I think, if it had been avada, it would have been mentioned the curse was green. If it had been avada sirius couldnt have change his expression in time, because avada kills on the spot. Im also sure avada doesnt makes people fly backwards, but they break down on the spot they stand the millisecond they are hit.
In the movie Bellatrix uses the curse Snape invented for enemies. She didn't use the Adava Kadavra. It's the same curse Harry used on Draco. Harry also tried to use that curse on Snape but he deflected it. That is the same curse that removed George's ear. That was an accident, because Snape was aiming at a death eaters wand hand because he didn't want George killed, and accidently hit George's ear instead.
I really enjoyed your video, and I liked the way you clearly explain the difference between the book, and the movie. The book was much better than the movie .
I rewatched the last four Harry Potter movies today there was a Harry Potter marathon on the USA channel,I literally gasped when I saw Sirus Black's death scene,Dumbledore's death scene as well
One odd thing about the veil, it doesn't just kill you, it makes your body disappear as well. It seems odd I feel the need to state that dying doesn't make your body disappear although it would normally start to decompose obviously. This is something I have noticed with realms of the dead in fiction a lot: for some reason the soul is equated with the physical body. Also what would happen if you stuck a probe through the veil?
Sirius was then reincarnated as a Commissioner of a dark town, but then, he had a new nemesis, who constantly nagged him about his previous life by exclaiming "Why so Sirius?" all the time.
When i first read this I was so crushed. I admit I had to stop reading for a bit because I really wanted them to be happy after everything they had to suffer through.
When molly kills bellatrix everyone thinks she used avada kedavra but she uses pertficous totalus to stun her and possibly bombarda maxima the stronger version of bombarda because she finished her off with a yellow spell pertficous totalus is green because it interferes with the life force freezing it in a petrified state as avada kedavra completely destroys it
I thought that was what it was because both Luna love good and Harry has seen the festivals those creatures that can only be seen by people who have seen death. And Harry probably heard the voices of his parents and Luna her mother, but no one else could hear them because no one else have seen death the way that Harry and Luna lovegood did by this. I think it's like consciously seeing death like he didn't consciously know what was happening to his mother when she died. But Cedric diggory who was his best friend and he had a connection to. He knew that he was dead and he understood the sadness that came with that death. Luna lovegood said that she didn't remember her mother very well, but she remembers her death and it's very sad for her to think about
I like to believe that Sirius blocked the killing curse, like he's blocked other curses from Luci. But as he did so, he crossed the veil. I could be dead(like him) wrong
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Gary Oldman was the perfect actor for Sirius!
he was SOOOO good. Gary Oldman is such a good actor
Loved him in the series. Love him in everything he's done. Fantastic actor.
He was the only actor. Some actors were born for parts. He was born to play Count Dracula. Commissioner Gordon. I could go on.
I heard some ppl complaining that Gary Oldman’s Sirius was too calm and the Sirius in the books was supposed to be more chaotic and crazy. I personally love how Gary Oldman portrayed Sirius.
@@wayhvee and if that is the problem it’s not Gary Oldman’s fault
let's just appreciate how lupin saved harry's life here. without him, harry would've probably ran into the veil after sirius
100 percent. This is how it would have been if the wonderful, Remus John Lupin didn't save Harry.
"Nice one, James!"
*Falls into veil*
Harry: *screaming* *runs into veil after him...........*
That would have been the end of the franchise. Lupin...I love and greatly appreciate you😍🥰
@@lexilovesjesus9129 absolute king. not to mention he taught harry the extremely difficult to master, patronus charm. is there anything this man can’t do?
@@ellieparry1463 I don't think so! He is kind, loving, caring, and a freaking good Wizard. He also is like an uncle or maybe a father figure of some sort to Harry.
But because Harry is the chosen one Dumbledore said he could have saved him just read it. I think anyway
Harry: nooo! Runs into veil. Then, as a ghost, wait, am I dead? Where are u Sirius
Fantastic performance by Gary Oldman.
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He will always be Jim Gordon to me
@@pleaseenteraname9841 hell always be Winston Churchill to me ;)
@@jawadfahd2823 he will always be daddy to me
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This made me so angry because honestly the battle at the department of mysteries could have been avoided if Harry had just gone to his room and used mirror shard that Sirius gave him.
Thought I was the only one who thought of that lol
Literally was talking to someone about this the other day! He had forgotten about the small gift/package Sirius gave him before he returned to Hogwarts after Christmas
@@kristinapostolico And to think Harry had the nerve to blame it all on Snape.
Amen!
@@stormyweather745 he did goad him into leaving the house basically and let’s face it the book was kinda realistic that Harry was at some point a really angry teenager who made poor choices.
By far, his death was the most emotional
Facts
Who wouldn't have been sad
Was snape for me
@@Base_light Me, too! Severus Snape's death was so sad. He never truly lived after Lily's death so in a way his death was a big relief for several reasons. Being a go-between Lord Voldemort and the Order and Dumbledore was not an easy juggling act.
For me It's dobby :›
I hated it so much when Bellatrix used “Avada Kedavra” to kill him in the movie, it totally killed the point of the archway and the mystery behind it.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry movie ootp wasn't that bad, it had all the things mostly right and cut a lot of the more boring parts of the book, they only fucked up with that scene and didnt include some stuff in the ministry id have liked to see but overall not bad (like hbp adaptation)
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry but that’s not important to the story, which films have to streamline
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry yeah I agree. Order of the Phoenix is my favorite book and I also love the movie. But as an adaptation it sucks ass.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry it wasn’t I’ve read the order of Phoenix book and I think the movie did better.
@@kaenachoo4783 the book with all caps Harry ruins everything for me! Look at that movie coming off of the rest you see Harry mature and you also see how much pain he’s actually in without ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME.
I genuinely want to know, in The Batlle Of The Department Of Mysteries; how many prophecies actually were broken and destroyed forever and did the destruction of however many prophecies have any visible effect on the wizarding world?
The prophecies stored in the department are only copies, so technically no prophecies were destroyed. Let’s put it this way: A prophecy is the actual telling, not the memory or record stored of the telling, so a true prophecy can’t be destroyed. Perhaps not the best details here, but I hope I shed some light on your query!
I also had that thought. But when Sirius died, it was not a time for thinking 🙁
@@spaggymerbles thank you kindly for the info.
If u put it that way, the prophecy involving Harry was destroyed in the films, so it would never be true.
@@riptide2505 that’s why I posed it as a question.
One thing I like about the movie version of Sirius's death is his finale words. I find it more heartbreaking that his last words are a remembrance of his best friend instead of a taunt to an enemy
Me too! It was sooo sad I literally...I just couldn't...I honestly waited a long time before rewatching OOTP.
"Nice one, james!"
But it ruins Harry and Sirius relationship abit he was finally seeing Harry as more then Just a clone of James and that’s why the line In the movie is kind of bad
@@Ckrost he wasnt seeing Harry as a clone, he saw that he really was James's son, and the two were really alike in every aspect. In the heat of the battle, him calling Harry James is so emotional
@@Ckrost I agree but the dude had issues.
@KFC It's not that deep, it's a slip up from Sirius because fighting alongside Harry reminded him of the antics he and James used to get into probably. Nothing to do with only seeing James in Harry, more so the situation bringing back memories
It's crazy. Honestly Sirius Black is my fav character.
I think you mean WAS ;)
@@S1L3NTK1LL3R51 really that’s your joke
@@S1L3NTK1LL3R51 no, no. they’re using “is”to describe their opinion on sirius, not sirius himself. so, using “was” wouldn’t make sense, since sirius is still their favourite character
With Snape, it‘s Mine too.
@@S1L3NTK1LL3R51 always will be
I don't think it's so much a case of "needing to create dramatic effect" as it is a case of over-simplification for people watching the film that have never read the books. We learn quite early on in the films that Avada Kedavra is the killing curse. A casual film-watcher only has no clue that there are a multitude of spells that can stun, petrify, maim, etc. They've heard Expelliarmus, Avada Kedavra, Wingardium Leviosa, Stupefy and only a couple others. You get a far greater knowledge of just how many spells there actually are if you read the books. The filmmakers need to "dumb down", for lack of a better phrase, the amount of spells used so someone watching the film can think, "Oh, that's the spell that kills. Gotcha." They wouldn't even understand the significance of the Veil or anything to do with the entire Department of Mysteries in the first place. I see a lot of over-simplification in all large fandoms when it comes to the whole book to film translation.
that was my thought as well. they needed to make it clear to the non-readers that there was no coming back. otherwise, people would be like Harry and wonder what happened.
As a movie watcher I agree there’s legit so much unexplainable things so now I have to buy the books. But I also think that after awhile of watching the movies (watched them all 100 times) you start to learn what certain things are but when reading books you learn instantly
@@denizkenger52 therein lies the problem with "dumbing down" screenplays from books. They make it so a wider audience understands the plot but they inevitably create inconsistencies.
@@denizkenger52 also except for barty crouch jr in the movies everyone keeps their own voice when they drink polyjuice potion while in the books they have the voice of the person they`re disquised as
@@denizkenger52 He did die instantly, he was dead before he fell into the veil.
Am I the only one who thinks the department of mysteries battle was too short in the film. I wanted to see dazed Ron and the brain room. We also only get to see like a minute of the Death Eaters vs the Order. I still love the movie though. 👍🏻
yeah 90% of the movie version of the battle is just the 1v1 between Voldemort & Dumbledore. whereas in the book it's closer to ~10% of the battle.
Yess!!! I wanted to see that! And Ginny didn't break her ankle in the movie...not that I wanted to see that but still. And I wanted to see the moving rooms!
I would have liked a second movie with just the battle and what happened after cause there was a lot to the battle
Like cut it when they were going to take umbridge into the forest
Time constraints. If they were to include everything from the books they'd either need to double the length of the films, which would massively damage sales, or make twice the number of films which would take twice the time resulting in 25 year old actors portraying 17 year olds by the end of the series.
There's an opportunity cost to everything in life.
One of my favourite scenes that got left out was when Harry walks towards the veil almost entranced, hearing faint and whispers behind it. He almost tries to go through it but Hernione called his name and he stopped. He actually came close to death here.
your voice is so relaxing keep up the content
They obviously added it in because nonbook readers would be very confused as to why Sirus died by falling through it.
@@denizkenger52.
Well if they didn't then?
@@denizkenger52
Tru
So the first four books were childish, but then on the “Order of the Phoenix” it got dead Sirius.
Not funny I'm crying over here😢
Bruh, Cedric died in the fourth....
@ARIEL WALLACE BRUH Bellatrix’s death, funny. Surius’s, TRAGIC
@@riptide2505 I think he meant the joke
I’d say the fourth one was dark too
A small thought from the movie perspective. If Sirius was already incredibly close to the veil's "gate" then perhaps it made Avada Kedavra function abnormally. Like instead of just slapping the soul out of him the veil just kind pf reached out and grabed him when he died. And the looking around was only possible due to that specific situation.
That does make sense...
I thought this! Surely the unspeakables have never tried Avada kedavra near the veil
@@denizkenger52 Another question. What would happen if we used the Killing Curse on a dementor?
@@denizkenger52 Yeah getting an answer form J.K Rowling herself would be cool
I thought it looked in the movie like the curse naroowly missed him and he passed out from the adrenaline rush mixed with the relief that he hadn't been hit. The veil just happened to be where he fell back
So, according to Rowling’s original notes Sirius was never going to be murdered, by instead he preferes to cross the veil then suffer the dementors kiss. In other words, he was going to commit suicide to escape his depression (dementors are a literal metaphor for depression). Dude now his death just feels a lot more painful 💔
Sirius was my favorite character
And Gary Oldman 1 of my favorite actor
R.I.P Sirius Black
I like to believe that Sirius is in the afterlife with James and Lily ;(
So is Remus and tonks :(
And Fred and Lavender Brown :(
And Snape
He is because harry had The resurection stone and saw him with remus, James, lily,and others
He is.
When Harry goes to nearly headless nick in hopes it was possible he would return as a ghost.... 😭😭
@@makaveliii2476 And nick having to explain to him that Sirius would of moved on. Just heartbreaking.
Ikr, I READ THE ENDING PAGES AND DEATH SCENE, AND I WAS WEEPING. IT'S JUST SOO SAD
I remember...I can't no omg...I remember reading when he found the two-way mirror....
Why him... I've seen Harry Potter a million times, but I can never hold back tears when Sirius dies.
Ik....
Why.....
I.
I need to ask Rowling one day if I can
......
Why Srirus?
@@lexilovesjesus9129 I know
@@lexilovesjesus9129 also, I subscribed to u because I like ur comments so much.
@@riptide2505 aw thank you so much! I'll sub to you:)
Thank you! 🤩 We never upload anything though lol
Wouldn’t the invisibility cloak Harry had allow the user to pass through the veil? If it was truly one of the deathly hallows death would not see him go through - just a thought. Maybe a video on that ;))
Francisco Arriaga but only the Resurrection Stone would let him get back to the way he came
it can still “feel” him lmao. and none of the deathly hallows can actually hide/save from death, even if you have all three. they were actually created by the brothers themselves, the children’s tale about death giving the hallows to them is... well, a children’s tale
Anyone can pass through the veil. In fact, it is inevitable for all mortal beings. The real trick is coming back out. Perhaps it is possible for the master of all three of the artifacts known as The Deathly Hollows, but I wouldn't be sure of that.
@@lollipopluxury3265 it was never established that what the last brother did didn't happen. For all we know he did hide from death for all of those years until he gave the cloak to his kid.
Lol the invisibility cloak story is more a figure of speech
Apparently they had to mute Harry when he was screaming/crying when lupin stopped him from chasing after Sirius. Cause it was gut wrenching or something. Some serious stuff man...
Video Suggestion: Why didn't Harry Potter use Dumbledore's Pensieve to show Fudge his memory of the graveyard and prove that Voldemort returned, and while were at it why didn't he use it to show Fudge what happened in the shrieking shack to exonerate Sirius? I feel like a lot of the problems in the series could have been solved by simply using the Pensieve
True, but that would have ruined the thrill
Fudge won't believe him. Memory can be altered.
@@peradabanbaruindonesia1546 yes
Even professor slughorn altered his
@@peradabanbaruindonesia1546 True, but I'd think that would require great skill. Slughorn's case could be different as he is experienced and needed to do anything in his power to alter the memory. We've seen Harry accomplish many crazy things at such a young age like a full corporeal patronus, but only after practice. He wouldn't have been able to.
Because wizards can alter their memories, see: Slughorn in book 6
I cried after Sirius died, Harry's emotions to him broke my heart in half
Sirius, you'll be in our hearts forever
Who agrees? Gives a like
I agree. Dan acted beautifully in that scene. It made it so much more dramatic and sad.....heartbreaking. I feel for Harry so much. He had an awful 10 years with 3 people who absolutely hated him for being the most famous Wizard. And then he went to his real home...Hogwarts. he almost died every year. When he finally gets a "normal" life he is already out of school. And loosing Sirius, Fred, Remus, Albus, his parents.....Snape.😢
I was like WHAT how can u casually kill of my favorite character J.K. Rowling! I hate youuuu
I SIRIUSLY agree with you
lila potter why cry for fictional characters who are not real it is absurd
😭
I was also wondering this! Thank you for making this video! Keep up the good work!
Sirius is one of the few characters that I didn't cry for when watching his death. I usually cry like a baby so I felt bad that I didn't even shed a tear watching him die, he is my favorite character of all time in any fandom. I think I've realized that you cry for characters' deaths' when they aren't fulfilled with their lives. Sirius, I believe, was. He knows how awful things have been for him, but he also knows that the few good moments he has are genuine and true which was, and should be for the rest of us, enough. He was a philosopher and an artist, he was overflowing with virtue. Truly an inspiration. I know this will be strange for a few people to read, but it really is beautiful when a character can touch someone's heart like Sirius touched mine.
FINALLY AN EXPLANATION... Thanks so much!! I never knew why but this makes sense.
I seriously need an optimal series where so many people don't die, notably:
Sirius
Dumbledore
Remus
Lily and James
Mad-Eye Moody
Fred
All of these guys were AMAZING.
Also, I want to have a book where Harry didn't actually get picked for the Triwizard tournament.
Though I can understand the sentiment behind this, it would take away the gravity of the main story and reduce the impact of its message(s). I'm not saying you have to go all Game of Thrones on your characters to achieve this, rather I think it was done very well in Harry Potter. Good and beloved people suffer needlessly when evil is allowed to thrive.
Well, I always wondered what happened when Bellatrix used the killing curse. It didn't kill him instantly like it was supposed to. One theory I've had is that it could have something to do with Bellatrix herself. She said in the books that you had to mean them. While there can be little doubt she meant to kill Sirius, Bellatrix was shown to care about her family like Narcissa and Draco to at least some extent. She even killed her niece Nymphadora in the Deathly Hallows, but perhaps there was some small part of her that regretted having to kill a member of her own family even though she didn't show it. Also, in the film she appeared almost shocked for a moment after she killed Sirius before she chuckles and runs off. Perhaps she just hadn't put the right theory into her killing curse when she used it in the film.
Until book seven I sincerely thought Siruis had the worst death because it was a non death. The sparks that hit him were red, which usually means a stunning spell. I literally thought he had fallen through, stunned, to the land of the dead. A land where time stands still. I thought he would be fated to just lie there, impotently, forever. Not allowed to properly die, because what would kill him there? It would have been the worst possible death for Sirius, who hated being confined. I was so glad to see in book seven that he did in fact properly die.
If the British Ministry of Magic is anything like their American counterpart in the Fantastic Beasts movie, the Veil is likely an execution chamber. The similarities between it and the MACUSA execution chamber are quite clear when you think about it- The rooms are both devoid of anything but the one thing that kills you and both rooms appear to be reinforced to some degree.
Another possibility is that *this* is where the Ministry brings disorderly ghosts, as there are laws regarding ghosts (Moaning Myrtle, for example, was forced to stop stalking the girl she hated and return to Hogwarts. If she failed to comply, she would've likely been brought here and forcefully sent to the afterlife.)
Or maybe it's both. Honestly, the fact is that the only reason we the audience don't know what this room is for is because Harry never finds out, and as readers of a third-person-limited-narration series, we rarely know anything that Harry doesn't. But we can reasonably intuit what it might be based on other things we know about wizards. They have, or used to have, the Death Penalty. And they have to deal with ghosts which might sometimes get uppity.
Definitely plausible. JK doesn't use lots pf dramatic irony in her books, so we as the audience don't have any additional information.
Exactly what I always thought about it since I read the book.
But again they already has Dementor’s Kiss for that.
Then what a point of killing them with the veil as execution tool.
HPT What killed Sirius Black
Bellatrix: I killed Sirius Black, I killed Sirius Black
She's mental to kill her own cousin
Yeah, I hated her with all my heart. She's the meanest Death-eater in the Wizarding World, she was mental in killing her own cousin, if I was one of Sirius's cousins, I wouldn't do that(kill Sirius)
@@lilapotter7374 yeah same, I would never kill my own family members even if I hated them but I would at least stun them or do another spell that at least knocks them out lol
In the film, if you pay attention closely enough, Sirius was standing close to the arch of The Veil. Bellatrix's spell pushed him backwards. It's possible he "stood" for a bit and said something after he was struck because she had pushed him through and it was the last vestige of his soul standing there speaking.
Where did you find Jo’s notes at 5:11? I love behind the scenes details like this!
I always took the Vale archway in the Department of mysteries to be a analogy for the Vale between the world of the living and the dead, so I always just assumed he fell into the world of the dead. So the minute he went through he died, meaning Harry couldn’t go and get him without immediately dying upon passing through. Hence why Lupin wouldn’t let him go
I wanted a video on this for sooooo long......lovely video 💕💕 Please keep making videos on marauders...
Thank you! This scene always bothered me because I never really understood this "Death Veil" thing.
I've listened to the books some years ago, but I couldn't remember much of the details.
What if Harry let Cedric take the cup in GoF?
What if Harry and Cedric took the cup before Wormtail came out of the building in GoF?
Why is the full body bind curse not the most used spell throughout the series? (Srsly why)
What if Harry failed to destroy the diary in CoS?
Discuss why Veritaserum is used as a plot device and creates many plot holes.
What if Dumbledore didnt block the killing curse for Harry in the Battle of the Ministry?
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry all points you make are good. I guess i shouldve specified more on the full body bind curse. Let me give an example, in PoA, how would the story play out if Harry used it on Peter instead of the Disarm charm?
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry In 1. Voldemort would never tell anybody else to kill Harry, as he wanted to him by himself!!
@@denizkenger52 use veritaserum on harry and the ministry knows that sirius is innocent and voldemort is back thus changing the story all together.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry yeah, that could've happened. Easy for Voldy
Honestly if they didn't include her saying avada kedavra the depiction would have been perfect. It would even come across how Jo initially intended it where he chose death, cuz Sirius looks over at harry almost as if to say "I'm sorry to leave you" I need this edit so bad
Sirius dying specifically by Bellatrix's Avada Kedavra worked better for the plot than him simply being pushed into the veil or choosing it instead of Dementors. It not only added to Bellatrix's character in the story, but it served as the catalyst for Harry's first introduction to the use of dark magic. By watching Sirius get murdered, it created an easier to follow and more relatable plot that made his death more shocking and understandable by more casual viewers. It also put on display how truly evil and twisted Bellatrix was, being that she had no qualms with quickly killing her own cousin.
I think it's well established that in the movie, Sirius was already dead when he fell into The Veil. I personally didn't put a lot of thought into the seconds it seemingly took for him to die after getting hit, as there could be so many in-universe explanations as to why it took more than an instant.
And that was when Harry Potter used and unforgivable curse
I was frankly anticipating the death of Albus Dumbledore when it took place. The killing of Sirius Black was completely unprecedented and heartbreaking. I will always wonder why he was taken out in Order of the Phoenix.
I literally would not have minded losing Arthur Weasley if we could keep Sirius Black
I personally think she shouldn’t have sacrificed a single one of them, @@amandawilmot6780 .
One thing I never got is that Bella's curse in the movie acts like a lightning bolt of green. When it hits Sirius, it's like it fizzes in front of him like it only hit a little or he blocked it a bit to strive off the instance effects but it's not enough to stop it completely.
I've always been wondering about this🔥 thanks for clarifying it😊
Great video, thankyou. I especially enjoyed your final word on Sirius being alive on the other side of the veil, because the soul is immortal.
where did you find those JKR notes? great vid btw!!
Awesome video 👌.
This part always creeped me out. The veil preys on your fear of the unknown. Almost Lovecraftian.
In the film they could've done Bellatrix casting expelliarmus (don't know how to spell it) because not only does it knock wands out it sends people flying to the other side of something, here is my version of what happens.
Bellatrix then casts out expelliarmus, hitting Sirius into the vail. Harry waited for him to come out of the other side. But, that did not happen.
Then the story goes on like normal.
Scene 2. to go with Jo's notes.
Sirius could see the dementors coming to him, he couldn't run, even if he tried, the dementors were to strong, to fast, to powerful, he would suffer a fate worse than death. Sirius went through the vail, Harry waited from him to come out the other side, he waited, until he realised. Sirius was not coming back.
Idk this is probably just me. However, in the movie, it did look like sirius deflected the curse but accidentally walked back into the veil while deflecting and only got a second to react and realise what had just happened. Could be wrong but I like to think that’s what they were going for because it wouldn’t have made sense and also would break film continuity for him to recoil back with thought after being directly hit by the curse instead of being instantly killed like every other victim of the killing curse
can you do a video on how sirius, the death eaters and voldemort got there wands back for the 2nd wizarding world
I suspect horcruxes were not Voldemort's true idea of immortality. I have a passage from the book that may support this suspicion.
"There was no hope of stealing the Philosopher's Stone anymore for I knew Dumbledore would have seen to it that it was destroyed. But I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before chasing immortality. I set my sights lower. . . I would settle for my old body back again and my old strength." ~Voldemort to the Death Eaters upon his rebirth. You'll notice he states that he set his "sights lower" implying he had a plan to achieve something greater than just returning in his old body. Thoughts?
Honestly I prefer the battle in the Department of Mysteries in the movie compared to the books. Its just so well thought out and I really loved the movies version. The book part was too dragged on and the death of Sirius not as well pronounced. But I loved the book's falling action much more. The movie just kind of says "Yeah Harry's kinda sad I guess" but the book just shows the close relationship with Sirius and Harry and makes the death that sad. Honestly I think the end of the Order of the Phoenix where Harry thinks about Sirius' death is much sadder than Sirius actually dying in the Department of Mysteries.
Avada only kills if the spellcaster really means it, really wants the person to die, otherwise it doesn’t work, so in the movies, maybe it shows another hidden level in the psychotic murderer’s soul, one even she ignores... maybe she didn’t really want to kill him. Maybe the one ounce of humanity still left in her took the best of her at that moment. Just for one brief fraction of a second. So if the arch wasn’t there, he may still be alive in the movies too.
Interesting
No, Avada works either way. Its crucio youre talkin about. Think Snape while killing Dumbledore.
@@orbit1894 Nope, all 3 unforgivable curses need you to be really skilled and to really mean it in order to work. To quote Barty Crouch in ‘Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire’, “Avada Kadavra is a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it. You could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I’d get so much as a nosebleed.” Also, during the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, Snape also stated that to cast Unforgivable Curses, one needed both nerve and ability. The "nerve" refers to really meaning it. He actually meant to kill Dumbledore, because that was the plan, although he didn't want for Dumbledore to die. "Wishing" for something to happen and "meaning" for it to happen are not the same. A soldier who throws himself on a grenade doesn't want to die, but he means to die so he can save his comrades. I don't want to spend three more years in university in order to torture myself with useless information and burry myself into debt, but I mean to do it so I can get the job I want in the great scheme of things. Etc.
U should also do a video on why Harry and Luna were hearing voices from the veil but others couldn't.
Yeah, he should do a video about it
Well, I'll give you a hint: Harry lost his parents, Luna lost her mother
That's makes them hear voices from the veil and see Thestrals
Great video. I always felt he was hit with the killing curse and just simply disappeared after falling through the veil , similar to how in the movies. Only difference was the explanation of it being extremely more detailed in the book but you still have a great opinion on it. I guess i just to me it read differently because I wouldn't expect them to use any other curse in battle other than Avada Kadavra. Great content as always
1:04 "one of the last connections to his parents* Lupin: I'm a Joke to you?
Same thing I said
Lupin was there for him 😢 but not for long though
'One of the ' not the last connections
The sadest part of sirus death for harry was that harry didn't even got to bury his last family member
Why doesn’t anyone mention the fact that Lupin not only had to hold Harry from going after his godfather, he also had to handle his sadness of his last best friend dying. Sirius’s death was the saddest 😭😭😭
True
Love your videos
If you want to explain this with some degree of trying to make the scene make sense, Bellatrix stated (in the books) that you have to have the appropriate intent and genuinely mean it when you’re using the Unforgivable Curses. It’s possible, in the movie that she didn’t fully mean it because Sirius is her blood cousin and the last male of the House of Black. Maybe not consciously but subconsciously she may have not wanted to basically kill off her family’s name which caused Sirius to have more of a delayed reaction and stumbling back into The Veil.
Still, I believe the directors did this for dramatic effect since we got much closer to movie Sirius versus book Sirius during Order of the Phoenix.
I have watched the movies since I was a child and settled on them since I personally am not comfortable with book reading.
but thanks to Jim Dale audiobooks I recently started hearing the books curious and anxioues to know the unsatisfaction book fans have over the movies.
the first 2 films were pretty simular to the books. I saw people being very moody about minor movie|book differemces like how the characters look and all kind of stuff I felt are not to make such a fus about.
at the 3rd I noticed some details being cut off but not to crucial. due to lack of screentime and budget I assume.
at the 4th I noticed a huge chunck was cut off that I would love to see on screen and was dissapointed It wasent but still compromised it must be due to budget and available screen time. but it definetly gets more invested than what the movies showed at this point.
I just finished the fifth one and I can say the change is very drastic here. so much so I came to this video and a few others to understand stuff I didint fully understood from the book *and werent even showen in the movie* which I deemed very important.
and when I got to sirius death part and saw the difference with the avada kedavra and everything.. I realise they wanted a dramatic effect for the movies but they did majorly altered the story to much!
I only wish we could have harry potter being a netflix series or somthing so no detail will be left out. 🙄 I still enjoy the movies and they make the book hearing easier but Im definetly glad to be catching on the books and I really enjoy them!
I needed the vail explained after the fifth.
thank you for the video!
This was the most confusing, frustrating and gut wrenching death in the series for me
As a filmmaker, Bellatrix’s killing curse was probably not added for dramatic effect. One of the most important things we have to consider is whether our audience will be able to understand the plot as it is conveyed on screen. The book does say that Sirius is dead because of the veil, yes. In the movie, you have to get that idea across differently, because you don’t (usually) have a narrator to tell the audience everything that’s happening. Film is visual (duh). So unless they wanted to add a whole scene or piece of dialogue to the movie where someone older and more knowledgeable tells Harry where it is that Sirius has gone, then they had to make absolutely sure there would be no doubt in the viewer’s mind that he was dead when he passes through the veil. Hence Bellatrix actually killing him with the killing curse. The audience already knows that that curse can kill because they’ve (most likely) seen the other movies first. So it takes away any need for verbal explanation that Sirius has died if we see Bellatrix kill him in a way that is familiar to the audience and cannot be misunderstood. Some things are left as vague in movies, as with any other art form, but this detail is important because it affects Harry so deeply. It would have been a bad idea to leave it vague, so they had Bellatrix outright murder him, not just push him into the veil. I do suppose that Harry’s conversation with Dumbledore a few scenes later could have included a very short explanation of what happened to Sirius, just like when Dumbledore explains the connection between Harry’s and Voldemort’s wands at the end of GoF. That probably would have been fine. Regardless, Bellatrix’s killing curse was not for dramatic effect. It was to convey the fact that Sirius is really and truly dead to the audience of a film, which is a different medium than print and must therefore go about explanations of plot differently in many situations.
your voice is so calm
Black never recovered from the death of James, his time in Azkaban only caused him to dwell on his regrets.
one of the saddest deaths 😭
Yup
Ikr
I remember I was watching Sirius getting clapped in the cinema and some guy at the back was like "oh fuck no"
That outro quote. Idr hearing that one...
This was my suggestion! There’s something else... what if you have no fears and a boggart looks at you?
I might be combining logic and magic too much, so don’t hate on me for this. I think that because of the human survival instinct, you would fear death. Or, per J.K Rowling’s style, the boggart itself because you are scared of what you are scared of thus meaning that you are scared of nothing real that a boggart can take the shape of?
I don't think nobody has no fears
I don’t know if that’s possible but maybe it would have the same form as when nobody is around
I've read somewhere that Moody didn't fear anything and could see boggarts in their real form, but it wasn't mentioned what this form looks like.
I always hated how in the movie Sirius is simply killed by Bellatrix using the killing curse on him. In the books his death is a bit more ambiguous
RUclips IS FUCKIN CRAZY IF THEY THINK I"M GOING TO WATCH A 15 SECOND AD THEN A 6 SECOND AD
So you mean, Sirius _accidentally_ passed over through the veil once he was hit by Bellatrix's stunning spell ? Well, it was unfair either way.. 😭😭
Y'know I've just realised all the Marauders are dead.
Can't believe it's taken this many years for me to realise that
Sirius died, but Umbridge didnt. I remember how furious and depressed I was when I watched that part.
What I like to think is that in the movies the killing curse has some force into it so it pushes the victim, like with Cedric. So maybe Bellatrix's curse pushed Sirius beyond the veil at the same time as killing him so what we see still standing and fading away is just his soul.
Does anyone think [Like me] that the veil is probably locked away for a good reason.
It reminds me of the mirror of Erised;where people can go mad seeing the desire of their hearts,but go mad at not being able to achieve it.
I don't think the veil should be left in the open for a similar reason.
Imagine a person that has lost so many loved ones coming in front of the veil,and hearing their loved ones call to them.
Sirius fell through accidently.But I imagine that over the ages the veil has caused a fair number of 'suicides'
Meaning there are those that hear their loved one's calling,and intentionally walk through.
This one still hurts me to this day. I watched this movie just yesterday. Had me in my feels! Whyyyy Sirius!!!!???
what most heart wrenching is that his death was peaceful, quite, and took it's time in otherwise a loud adrenaline filled battle. which makes it a bit unsettling in my opinion.
I love Mr. Oldman in all his movies. But, in the Potter movies, he rally shines! What an actor!🤩
Based on the book description, I always assumed Sirius had been hit with the killing curse and was dead before falling into the veil.
In the book bellatrix hit sirius with stupor and not avada kedavra. The hit made Sirus flew backwards into the veil. Thats why in the books harry doesnt get why sirius is not comming out of the veil, he doesnt understand he is dead. In the movie harry immediately understands that sirius is dead, because he was hit with avada kedavra.
@@lisaerk8487 Funny, that does make sense. I just remember when I read it I thought Harry knew Sirius was dead, he just couldn't admit it, refused to accept it. The book never specifies the colour of the spell that hits him, which is why I assumed it was the killing curse. It is specified that a jet of red light missed him, and Sirius laughs at Bellatrix. Then all it says is the second jet of light (not second jet of red light) hits him in the chest, and the ghost of his last laugh hasn't left his wasted face as he falls into the veil. I'm paraphrasing there of course. That made me think he was already dead at that point, but I could obviously be very wrong and it could indeed be a second stunner that hit him and knocked him back.
@@AlanHollowedPhotography if I remember right harry saw how the grin on sirius face changed into an shocked expression after he was hit. Yeah your right, it wasnt mentioned the second curse was stupor too, but I think, if it had been avada, it would have been mentioned the curse was green. If it had been avada sirius couldnt have change his expression in time, because avada kills on the spot. Im also sure avada doesnt makes people fly backwards, but they break down on the spot they stand the millisecond they are hit.
i mentioned in another video that i fell the veil was used when someone was sentenced to death, sort of a wizard death chamber
I had the same impression after I first read Order of the Phoenix.
Thank youuuuu for doing more on Sirius ❤️❤️🐾🐾 now moony , tonks , and Dumbledore await 😂✨✨
In the movie Bellatrix uses the curse Snape invented for enemies. She didn't use the Adava Kadavra. It's the same curse Harry used on Draco. Harry also tried to use that curse on Snape but he deflected it. That is the same curse that removed George's ear. That was an accident, because Snape was aiming at a death eaters wand hand because he didn't want George killed, and accidently hit George's ear instead.
Thank you, I needed this 😭😭 I really appreciate your videos. I am still so sad over his death, so sad.
Just found this channel randomly! and I love it! :D
I really enjoyed your video, and I liked the way you clearly explain the difference between the book, and the movie. The book was much better than the movie .
5:28 why does Harry's face look like that?
Never knew that about the book that’s actually really cool
I rewatched the last four Harry Potter movies today there was a Harry Potter marathon on the USA channel,I literally gasped when I saw Sirus Black's death scene,Dumbledore's death scene as well
One odd thing about the veil, it doesn't just kill you, it makes your body disappear as well. It seems odd I feel the need to state that dying doesn't make your body disappear although it would normally start to decompose obviously. This is something I have noticed with realms of the dead in fiction a lot: for some reason the soul is equated with the physical body. Also what would happen if you stuck a probe through the veil?
What if when Harry had the stone he was able to resurrect Serious, Remous and his parents?
Sirius was then reincarnated as a Commissioner of a dark town, but then, he had a new nemesis, who constantly nagged him about his previous life by exclaiming "Why so Sirius?" all the time.
And use Time Turner to went back in time to 2nd World War and governing muggle as Prime Minister .
I always hated that they killed off Sirus Black he was one of my favorites 😭
Same omg
When i first read this I was so crushed. I admit I had to stop reading for a bit because I really wanted them to be happy after everything they had to suffer through.
When molly kills bellatrix everyone thinks she used avada kedavra but she uses pertficous totalus to stun her and possibly bombarda maxima the stronger version of bombarda because she finished her off with a yellow spell pertficous totalus is green because it interferes with the life force freezing it in a petrified state as avada kedavra completely destroys it
I love the snape and sirus videos
I thought that was what it was because both Luna love good and Harry has seen the festivals those creatures that can only be seen by people who have seen death. And Harry probably heard the voices of his parents and Luna her mother, but no one else could hear them because no one else have seen death the way that Harry and Luna lovegood did by this. I think it's like consciously seeing death like he didn't consciously know what was happening to his mother when she died. But Cedric diggory who was his best friend and he had a connection to. He knew that he was dead and he understood the sadness that came with that death. Luna lovegood said that she didn't remember her mother very well, but she remembers her death and it's very sad for her to think about
I like to believe that Sirius blocked the killing curse, like he's blocked other curses from Luci. But as he did so, he crossed the veil. I could be dead(like him) wrong
bruh literally every time i watch that scene i cry.