Harry and Arthur meet Lucius after not previously to the trial so your assumption that he tries to bribe fudge to punish harry isn’t true (why should he bribe someone who has his own motives? seems like a waste of money)
I think that being tricked by Harry into losing Dobby, no longer a slave as a house elf seems like the very step in the downward spiral for Lucius. Probably didn't have much effect on Malfoy immediately, but it was the loss of a significant magical power -- no more Dobby to send at his beck and call to accomplish difficult tasks. Not to mention the embarrassment of being outwitted by a school boy using simple tricks. How would he answer the question people would ask when he returned from Hogwarts -- "Where's Dobby?" This was the first disruption in his confidence -- showing him that things weren't as secure as Lucius had previously presumed.
You kinda have to wonder how do wizard families end up with house elves in the first place. The books never touch into that matter (save for the fact that they kinda count as property, so you can inherit them). Was it impossible for Lucius to just get himself another elf? He was still very wealthy, so I find it very hard to believe he couldn't buy another if that was possible, unless they're ridiculously expensive, and it's not like wizardfolk give a crap about elf rights, so I doubt they would refuse to provide him with another just for his history of abuse. Maybe the elves themselves have heard stories about Dobby's treatment and they refused to serve his family? Who knows.
@@DreadjawsI doubt getting a house elf is just a financial transaction. Only powerful families seem to have them . I’d wager they are neigh on irreplaceable once lost. No longer having Doby would be worse than a nobleman without a valet, very obvious in wizard society
Yeah Lucius Malfoy had become so arrogant after the fall of Voldemort and his return to wizard high society. That he didn't foresee Harry Potter, a child could trick him so easily, and cost him his servant.
Malfoy family and Weasley family, though mutually despising, have one thing in common -- they both have very strong hair color gene that their heirs' hair colors remain blonde / red regardless of their mother's hair colors😂😂😂
@@rocky_wangAnd they’re each exclusively sorted into only one house, which also both hated each other for decades ever since Riddle came and turned Slytherin into a Wizard Alt-Right bootcamp. And even after Riddle and his cause were dead and most of the idiots who believed as he did were imprisoned, Albus Potter (🤮 what a name, how come Harry named a child after a mean Potions teacher and the guy who raised him as a martyr but didn’t name his daughter “Minerva Rubea” after the only 2 professors who actually cared about him?) ending up there was enough to condemn him to a lifetime of teasing.
I was not serious but sounds like you are. As a Slytherin I must clarify two things: 1. The hatred between S and G is not from Tom Riddle but started from the very beginning when Salazar Slytherin walked out bcz Salazar only wanted pure-blood but Godric Gryffindor disagreed. 2. The reason Salazar only wanted pure-blood was because wizards were persecuted, hunted, and burned in the muggle world, and Hogwarts should be a safe-zone to wizards. Such ideology is fundamentally different from Alt-Right which consists of a privileged bunch who want to sustain such supremacy. After all, if Slytherin is bad, why not Dumbledore just close it lol. Also, I doubt Tom Riddle is the true descendant of Salazar Slytherin as Tom is half-blood which is contradictory to Slytherin's ideology -- Draco Malfoy can be a "true" descendant lol Again, I am not serious. JK rolling's plots have lots of loopholes 😁😁😁
@@rocky_wang Yeah she just got lucky with writing one story that makes up for her poor worldbuilding skills and “write first think later” attitude towards lore, with its wonder and lovability, all her others just completely suck (with a few more recent ones even featuring her increasingly-common bigoted tangents)
That bitch slap down the stairs kinda stopped that conflict real quick. I want to know so bad what would’ve happened if Harry actually got cursed here. I mean dumbledore is just on the other side of the door and I doubt he’d actually kill Harry. So really it’s the big spanking Lucius would’ve got from the headmaster that I’m most interested in.
@DrankenDune in the movie he started saying "avada..." and Jason Isaacs really sold that he'd have actually done it. Best argument might be temporary insanity. With his connections he might get away with it. Legally at least.
Only thing missed was the BIG ONE, the loss of his own Wand by Voldemort himself when it failed to kill Potter. For a wizard I see no higher dishonor, if you ever make a remake in a few years that's all I'd add.
When Voldemort took his wand, that hit me particularly hard. A wand is crucial to a wizards identity and he made Lucius submit his life metaphorically in this scene. I’m sure before that he’s literally made him submit. Something about the wand is just so personal though.
You beat me to it. As far as I am aware, his wand was not replaced before the end of Deathly Hallows, so he was without his power for most of the book. He was stripped of his power and his identity as a wizard, but the way in which Voldemort took the wand also stripped Lucius of his dignity.
@@thorpizzleHe wouldn't have been entirely stripped of his magic because wizards can do magic without a wand, remember that Harry magically removed the glass and dropped Dudley into the python tank long before he got his wand and wasn't holding his wand when he blew up Aunt Marge.
@@emmitstewart1921 I think those were different. Both cases you mentioned had powerful anger behind them, and in the case of the glass disappearing, Harry hadn't even been trained yet. Young wizards and witches can do some magic before they start school, but very few can control it without a wand. Lucius was an adult wizard, and he had been trained to use a wand for so long that it might have been harder to control magic without it. Also, I think he had been mentally and emotionally diminished enough that he could not do his best magic even if he had his wand at that point.
@@emmitstewart1921 These are random situations, and doing controlled magic without a wand and in a normal emotional state is completely different. He would not been able to do it as he never learned to do magic without a wand, which is very hard. He would always loose even if he knew a little bit against basically everyone above third grade.
and further insult.. Voldemort snapped off the decoration piece that Lucius had on his wand. It was as if Voldemort showed Lucius that decoration doesn't make you any more worthwhile. His strutting about, snobbery, arrogance, could be seen as a decoration.
Lucius is one of the most pathetic characters in the Harry Potter story. A man that cajoled, bribed, bewitched, and fought to bring about a society dominated by pure-blooded witches and wizards. Only to find out that he and his family have no place in such a society.
The thing about Lucius was that he was more into the idea of serving Voldemort for the fame and social class status of purebloods more than anything else. He must have thought, "It'll be great. Purebloods will be on top and I'll be living it up even more and get to torture some muggles and life will be sweet." He didn't really comprehend until later that when you pledge loyalty to the dark lord, that is it. He owns you and everyone and everything you care about and won't hesitate to hurt them in any way he can if you displease him in the slightest or if he ever just finds an advantage to doing it.
Was he really such a sadist? From what I can remember, he always had more of an aura of egomaniac than a straight up sadist, which lead me into the idea that he would basically set himself up as the highest form of nobility, and he would enjoy putting down anyone else apart from his family or Voldy. But why would he just go around torturing people?
@pavelslama5543 It's hard to say how far he would go into hands-on stuff tbh since I just more thought of the Quidditch World Cup with how it was at least heavily implied he was masked and "having fun" with the muggles. But he's not on level with ones like the Carrows. Only thing I can't stand is when fanfiction authors turn him into an abusive dad doing stuff like using the cruciatus curse on Draco. Lucius would never do anything like that to his family imo, not verbal or psychological abuse either.
Your description of Lucius's dream of his future seems a lot like DJT's dream of his future and the consequences of regular folks complaining about it.
@stevezmuda8109 exactly what came to my mind; I'd argue they need to read Harry Potter, but I bet they'd just admire his pretty hair and miss the point
Come giustamente accade a quanti pensano di poter servire impunemente il Diavolo, dimenticando che il padrone malvagio non può provare riconoscenza alcuna, né donare alcunché di buono...
In the movies Lucius was actually a bit of a beast. He lead the death eaters through the battle of the department of mysteries, above Bellatrix and Dolohov. During their duel with Sirius and Harry, Lucius actually outlasted Dolohov as well. So he was pretty powerful, until he lost his confidence.
The ability of the writer to show the complexity of the destruction of a villainous character is a key quality in great literature. Eg Gollum in LOTR. And Snape in Harry Potter. Your exploration of the downfall of Lucius Malfoy has been eye opening in this regard. Brilliant, thank you.
Lucius is more powerful than he is given credit for. There’s a reason why he was Voldemorts second in command and was the only death eater, apart from Snape, to stand up to Bellatrix, even without a wand.
It's amazing how extracting the unbreakable vow from Snape and lieing to Voldemort somehow elevated Narcissa to good mom status. Neither of those deeds says anything about her parenting skills.
When Voldemort took Lucius's wand... and to further insult, Voldemort snapped off the decoration piece that Lucius had on his wand. It was as if Voldemort showed Lucius that decoration doesn't make you any more worthwhile. His strutting about, snobbery, arrogance, could be seen as a decoration.
Lucius didn't suffer from the Dementors as Fudge said they had left Azkaban immediately after Voldemort was exposed as having returned to join him. It is in the Daily Prophet at the end of OOTP.
Voldemort probably tortured him too and the fact all the failures meaning that at anytime Voldemort would kill his family. Voldemort of course loves to play with his food so in turn used Draco’s task of killing Dumbledore to slowly mess with the Lucius as when Draco inevitably failed Voldemort would kill Draco atleast that’s what Lucius would have been thinking
I think Voldemort secretly wanted to kill Draco as a way to punish Lucius, so that's probably a part of why he set the task in the first place He could make an example of Lucius by destroying the thing he values most
The Dark Lord broke his magic stick, which was also his walking cane. So he tripped and fell down the bridge while trying to flee from the battlefield.
I know he was following his masters orders for fear of death, but using his manner for a prison for months keeping and Torturing the innocent,should have carried some additional punishment from the Ministry of magic.
@@jameswest981 You should take a look at the kinds of things that governments around the world have pardoned people for when they committed in times of war before you judge Lucius so severely. There's a reason they're called war atrocities. And there's a reason we as a collective human race agree there are no true victors in war.
I'd guess when he was sent to Azkaban, much of his influence in wizard society evaporated and not only did he loose respect from his master and other death eaters, but many of his fellows in polite wizard society were now snubbing him, even if they held moderate pure blood views and that Lucius cam to realise he valued his reputation in society more than he realised now it was gone and while his standing in the cult he belonged to was also trashed.
It's played like Lucius was a bit of a coward and that's why he did not go to prison like the other death eaters. That he is really just a selfish person who used evil to advance himself. But Lucius tried to straight up murder Harry in the middle of the school in the second movie. I think that was the real him. It goes beyond arrogance to the point of madness. To me, that said that he truly was evil, not just playing evil. And the only reason he did not go to prison was because he was intelligent and could exercise a degree of restraint on his baser instincts, something people like Bellatrix could not do.
There's also the fact that he was extremely rich. A few donations to certain places within the Ministry would have allowed him to skip jail time just like how things work in the real world
Lucius trying to _avada kedavra_ Harry in the middle of Hogwart, right outside Dumbledore's office, is such a baffling change from the book... it's not even in the screenplay, and... okay I looked it up, and found the infamous interview in which Jason Isaacs claims that he was supposed to say "vera", which was the beginning of the unspecified minor spell that he was supposed to cast... ... but in this take he had re-read the fourth book and had the killing curse in mind, so he made a mistake and said "avada" instead and that was the take that was kept for the final cut of the movie. It's still pretty weird how JKKK Rowling didn't veto this decision, surely she had some form of control over what could be changed in the films, even as a courtesy? I understand that it was to give Dobby his "big damn hero" moment, but that should have been done with Lucius throwing a minor spell as intended, not the most forbidden of the trio of forbidden curses... But anyway, it was a mistake by Mr Isaac (I love this actor so unlike that curse, he's forgiven
I think he was the worst of the worst in his younger years but after he became a father was when he started to change. He wanted to instill what he thought and believed in his son but Draco didn’t live up to his expectations either and knew he couldn’t do what he did at his age so that too also played a part in it as well.
@@juanchirino4900he was a villain, his actions before the last book showed that he was one, while his wife wasn’t a villain- nasty person, but no villain
@@bostonrailfan2427 His wife had no presence before the last book outside of being stationary at his or Draco's side. She was quite literally a piece of cardboard until the final book. But Rowling always did have this thing where she just had to make the mothers in this series seem like they were half way decent people. The nastiest action of Lucius before she benches him by having him jailed by the way is giving Ginny Tom Riddle's diary. And it has long been debated if he knew how dangerous it was or was just using it to make one of many digs at the Weasleys lack of wealth.
05:40 even though the movie implies that Malfoy might have tried to pay Fudge to convict Harry, it does not make a lot of sense and when looking at the books only, it is clear that this was not the reason for Malfoy being in the ministry on the day of Harrys trial. He's actually trying to scope out the place, where the prophecy is hidden and how the order is defending it. While he's doing that he was also able to hit Sturgis Podmore, who was guarding the corridor to the department of mysteries under an invisibility cloak, with an imperius curse. Much later in the book Harry and Hermoine actually get to that conclusion together if I remember correctly. Besides that is there no reason for Malfoy to try and bribe Fudge since Fudge is trying his best to get Harry found guilty anyways.
I feel good about the malfoys all being pardoned. Harry would definitely remember narcissa’s help at the end. Draco attempted a redemption because he made a conscious decision to not sell out Harry twice. Lucius never actually fought against hogwarts at the end, and his rejection of voldemort at the end was genuine.
He let Tom Riddle's diary be destroyed. That was his biggest "failure". It was a horcrux. All of the horcruxes, over time, caused those who were near them to become Evil. The one in Harry affected the Durselys, the one Umbridge wore, the diary. By not having the diary nearby, the Malfoys lost their grip on evil. Even Draco, who sent Dobby to save Harry. The difference between the evil of the Malfoys and Voldemort's evil was that they actually loved their son. Not an emotion the Voldemort could feel.
Lucius was very memorable. He was a very slippery dude. He lied his heart and soul out. Cut corners. We can go on and on. The films, the books, but I also felt bad for him a few times. Voldemort pretty much decided he was going to kill Draco if he failed to kill Dumbledore. That devastated Draco’s parents. Voldemort was also even worse, he was a horrible man. He was terrible. I think about Lucius a lot when I read the books. Sometimes I wonder if Lucius acted this way intentionally, I think about that a lot. He had a family, he loved his son. Like any father, good or bad. He just wanted his son to survive this horrible mess they all found themselves in. As we go on, Lucius just looks terrible. He sounds terrible. And let’s be real, Draco wasn’t gunna kill Dumbledore. At the end of the day, I’m just glad they all got out alive.
Lucius had a father and grandfather who really believed all the pure blood stuff and taught him while he was small. I think that was in a Pottermore essay ages ago, but I remember it because it does explain things.
@@kellysouter4381 that is correct. Being raised in a house with pure blood ideology had to have been an interesting upbringing. It really showed too throughout the films.
There was an awkward tension for Bellatrix. She was devoted to her sister, Narcissa, but since she was married to Malfoy, it compromised her allegiance to Voldemort.
Surprisingly, I do feel pity for the old man, really. I do believe his relationship with Uncle Vova had never been good - it's pretty clear that Voldie needed the Malfoys (who's going to pay for his champagne? he's literaty a nobody with no resources) than the Malfoy needed him. Of course Lucius would show no loyalty to Vova - his loyalty was to his family and I think Vova knew that. Going to Azkaban after Voldie just disappeared was not an option - Lucius had Draco to think and care about and never in the world he would put looking for Vova above his son. CoS was again a failure not due to his miscalculation but due to Deux ex Machina. And again, it's Big D assumption about what Lucius did and didn't know about the diary. And then yes, that fabulous idea to launch a DE attack at the Cup. Realy, I can perfectly well picture Lucius not taking part in the whole thing but talking to Fudge and getting Cissa and Draco pick up everything and go home. Because who'd be so foolish to do that with so much security at the place? And for what? The Prophecy. Dear Lord! I don't know about you guys, but the whole thing was a disaster from the start. Because these 24/7-idiots calling themselves DE didn't care about the mission at all! They were all there to "play with children and cousins" (hello, Bella!). How do you achieve anything if your team are Dumb and Dumber characters? Uncle Vova showing up in person just added himself to the list of such characters. I totally picture the old man whining to Severus and Narcissa about being surrounded and working with idiots then looking at Draco and start crying louder because his son is even a bigger idiot at times.
This attempt to make Draco a murderer, changed him. He is in the end the only real survivor of his family, but is in adulthood opposed to almost everything his family once stood for. Only by seeing the true face of evil and what he was meant to do, did Draco turn from that evil. One wonders if his father Lucius was grateful for this or just considered this one more failure in his life.
i feel bad for the Black and Malfoy families. Lucious followed many rules of both sides, Voldemorts and the MoM sides and got mistreated by both. he could uave been worse on either side and turned out better. his loyalty to both resulted in the loss of his family's status and respect.
Lucius had an equivalent on the Order side: Prof. Slughorne. The difference between them was that Lucius would use his contacts to threaten people, and only to help if he got something out of it as well. Compared to the wizards and witches around him, Lucius needed all the help he could get. As powerful as he was, he was mediocre in comparison.
I think the thing with the Malfoys, both Lucius and Draco, is an example of people with radical ideas, who profess those ideas with passion and fanaticism, but when it comes to the point where they actually have to put those ideas into practice, and the ramifications, consequences, and overall just what it would mean to do it, they wilt. Draco was a passionate pure-blood believer, until it actually meant he would have to inflict very real acts of cruelty and malice against real people, and the reality of what he would have to do set in on him, and he couldn't bring himself to do it. And so, when it was all said and done, they fell apart in the end.
In the case of Lucius he did live his ideals though circa the tail end of the first war against Voldemort. Draco very clearly didn't have it in him when the time came which honestly is fair and normal some people just don't have that in them. He also wasn't stupid enough to try playing at hero though so he was guilty of living the ideals he was raised by through inaction. In the long run JK Rowling saw fit to punish that last bit of cowardice in particular by having his wife die from a blood curse. Which I always found to be pretty petty of her and almost a responsible from her to the people who hated that she had given him such a happy ending in the deathly hallows epilogue.
This all makes total sense but like other commenters I do think Harry not only putting the kibosh on Lucius's plans for the diary thus leading to it's destruction but also tricking him into freeing Dobby was the beginning of the end for him. He lost so much and was totally owned twice by a 12 year old half blood child in a ridiculously short span of time... that would have been so hard for him to take. The shame he would have felt would have been immense and the fact that he had no immediate recourse to avenge his losses and wounded pride would have made it even worse. Then it also very heavily contributed to his downward spiral once Voldemort returned . Lucius's eventual fall from grace and downward arc actually begun in COS with Harry's victories over him but like all things hindsight is 20/20 so of course that couldn't have been known then.
Funny thing is Voldemort actually helped Harry when he targeted Draco and was once again because of his actions foiled by love. Draco’s mom lied when Harry came back to save his life. So many times his moves to instill fear lead to a greater retribution. Neville wanting to avange his parents and destroying another horecrux was another good example where love always won. Love always beats tom.
Lucius had no idea the diary would open the chamber, as he didn’t know it was a horcrux and therefore wouldn’t have known that it could possess people. He was just getting rid of evidence for a master he believed defeated at that point.
Dumbledore says in the book he's sure Voldemort told Lucius about some of the properties of the diary without really telling him about his nature. If he believed there were no properties to the diary why would he bother getting rid of it, let alone in such a way? The only thing identifying the diary as Voldemort's was the Tom Riddle name, and few people knew that was Voldemort's real name.
@@Dreadjaws the majority of the older population would have known his true name, as some of the death eater and others like hagrid attended hogwarts with Tom. While yes I understand that malfoy probably knew it had dark potential I’m just saying he had no clue of its extent and that it would possess the owner silly enough to write in it. He had no clue the chamber would be opened by giving it to ginny, that was just a byproduct of him getting rid of it in her caldron.
@@Dreadjaws and Big D knew that because...? I'd guess Dumbledore was making assumptions here, rather than talking facts. The only way for him to know was through Snape, as far as I can see.
@@JohnDoe-lx3dt Again. Why would he even give it to Ginny if he didn't expect it to do something? It makes no sense whatsoever. And sure, the Death Eaters themselves knew who Voldemort was, but most people didn't because (again, like the books clearly state) he just left once and never reappeared. No one did the connection to Voldemort when he showed up because he looked completely different.
@@EltaninMalfoy Dumbledore clearly had many ways to know stuff others didn't. Voldemort never said a word to anyone about his horcruxes, for instance, yet Dumbledore figured it out. And he obviously has informants, not just Snape.
You may have already done one; but it would be interesting to see a video on Narcissa Malfoy. I think she was powerful, she was able to lie to Voldemorts face. Without being found out. What would have happened after the battle of Hogwarts? Did she stay with Luscious, since he was shown to be such an abject failure.
An excellent thing to dissect would be whether she was a good mother or not. Lucius was the more prevalent character between Draco's parents and his mistakes are thus under the microscope way more than hers when people talk about why Draco was the way he was in his youth and if he's worthy of redemption. I personally think people use Lucius as a scapegoat in this matter. And they put Narcissa on a pedestal for two good actions during the war that do not correlate with her parenting skills in any way (extracting the unbreakable vow from Snape and lieing to Voldemort).
She does stay with him canonically. In fact the implications are that she uses her influence as both a Malfoy through marriage and a Black by birth to keep her husband and son from Azkaban.
Yeah, the narrator asked what did he miss? Well, everything really. Voldemort ended up destroyed, and Lucius not only lived, but he was even able to rejoin wizarding society. To paraphrase Scooby-Doo, he got away with it in spite of the meddling kids...or even because of them. Lucius was only a failure at being a villain. He was great at being a survivor...not only physically, but also financially, and in every other way. What's the problem?
I still think Lucius got off way too easy for his actions, but seeing him act like a whipped puppy in front of Voldemort after falling out of favor was satisfying.
Wouldn't be surprising, if he found a way to redeem himself eventually. He wasn't exactly evil. Just snobby af & an overall narcissistic wannabe Elite class Wizard. Neither of which should get him a permanent cell in Azkaban. Even in Riddle's side, he was always holding back to doing too much damage.
Being a death eater was by law illegal and punished with a cell in Azkaban, he was in the inner circle, tortured many wizards, witches and muggles with the cruciatus curse, murdered people with the killing curse, used the imperio curse to manipulate and take control of innocent people and making them do horrible things. He might have found a way to redeem himself in the later years, but saying he didnt do anything to get a cell in Azkaban is plain wrong.
@@Vakaria-plays Well, I didn't phrase it correctly. I believe I wanted to say it more like this: He had his wrong doings, but compared to BC Jr and Bellatrix for example, he's not such a menace to society, as other more insane and demented Death Eaters. I actually feel sorry for him. He literally went from failure to failure for a cause that he shouldn't have been a part of to begin with.
Doby, buckbeak, chewed out by Voldy for running from the mark, being beaten by a bunch of teenagers in the dept of mysteries, the public humiliation of being outed as a death eater and it being front page news that he was sent to jail, Voldy breaking his wand in front of his family in their own home, Voldy taking over his home, his only son to be set up to die by Voldy, even Crabbe is making fun of the Malfoy name in the end and talking about how much of a loser Lucious is telling Draco that he's finished. The loss of respect is huge Lucious has lost so much respect Draco is now openly being mocked by his former henchmen because their dads now out rank his apparently. Just having to call another man lord or master. Dumbledore also consistently humiliates Lucy at every turn when Lucy tries to get him fired repeatedly failing at that. I think Lucious gets ripped off at Borgain & Burke's too without even knowing it. Even just being in a position where he as a rich man has to lower himself to selling his stuff at a disreputable pawn shop so he doesnt get cuaght with illegal goods when the government raids his house shows he was losing control from the start. Whether it is the pawn shop owner low balling him and stealing back some of the money, Dumbledore outwitting and embarassing him, Voldty emasculating him, Harry openly disrespecting him, the house elf kicking his butt, or his mug shot in the news, the gov searching his home complete loss of privacy Voldy taking his home and embarassing him in it in front of his family and everyone they know, Lucy really does lose a lot of status and respectability despite his wealth. Just bc he is a billionaire it does not mean he can get caught breaking the law and expect to get away with it and it also does not mean he is the smartest or most powerful or talented wizard. Voldemort and Dumbledore both smack Luy down hard but by the end even Crabbe is making fun of him. I cant really think of a bigger sign that you are losing face. Maybe having Filch or Peeves make fun of Draco's dad to his face might drive home the point but Lucy really did lose big time he is lucky to not be in jail his wife and son partally redeemed the family but only enough to keep them out of prison. The ultimate defeat is that his son rejects their family's supremacist views and opts to raise their child Lucy's grandchild to be more liberal this is really the icing on the cake for Lucy. Amazingly despite life repeatedly trying to humbe him and show him that he is mistaken Lucy never learns and he conntinues to hold on to his prejudices. No amount of humiliation or failure can teach Lucy to change he could literally end up living in a shack like the Gaunts and he would still be a bigot he never learns.
Lucius (and Draco) are just spoiled brats who were raised by spoiled brats. They are much alike most rich people of more than 3 or 4 generations of money: they think they own the world, can do anything, can get away with anything, are entitled, but on the other side, are not responsible nor accountable for their actions. Usually those kind of characters never understand "other" people, and believe that they are on their "rightful" place above others. The only odd thing about this all is that Lucius and his family didn't flee when things started to become difficult (fourth book). And I think this was an attempt of JK Rowling to provide some sort of moral status to the story, because in real life, rich people just go elsewhere with their money until things cool down, while they only (maybe) finance the side they support. Otherwise, they always let others take the risks, die for them and just appear back when everything has developed to claim the victory (even if their side lost). But as a mental exercise, what would happen to a spoiled rich person if suddenly they are left with nothing, not even their reputation? Well, I think they would have a worse time than the rest of us, so yeah, I think Lucius would be broken and maybe even lose his mind if sent to prison, expelled from society, his family threatened and his money impounded. BUT, when everything ended, as it seems from the "19 years later" scene, the Malfoys are still rich and powerful, so I think Lucius just came back to be mostly like he was before the whole ordeal, except his affairs are no longer carried by himself but by others so his "tarnish" doesn't affect their interests. In fact, the Malfoys ended up "redeemed" because in the end both Draco and Narcissa actually helped the "good guys" to win.
This is what his family had always been doing for generations. Being behind a very powerful wizard. That's what he did. Im not saying it wasn't a mistake, but it wasn't unexpected
One thing in the movie, “The Goblet Of Fire” after Harry made it out of the graveyard. He never mentions to anyone, that he saw Lucius Malfoy as a Death Eater with Voltimort. You would think Fudge could have thrown him Azkaban. Instead we see him around. When Dumbledore defended Harry in the beginning of “Order of the Phoenix” when all of the ministers and Fudge were present, Harry could have brought it up then, when he see Fudge and Malfoy in the hallway, Harry could have said something. Kinda bothered me. May God richly bless everyone 🇮🇱✝️🇺🇸!
No one believed him about voldemort even being back, fudge didn't want to admit it because it was a disaster for his position and he was scared dumbledore would take his job as minister because everyone had wanted dumbledore to be minister before him, and that harry was in dumbledore's pocket So why, would him speaking up and pointing out one of the more influential people donating funds to the ministry was a death eater would have done ANY good? What would have stopped fudge from saying "see? They're incriminating people higher up the ladder now, i was right!"
His downfall and likely early death, as it is implied that he was deceased in Cursed Child, were mostly caused by his own terrible actions and his refusal to admit he was wrong. Unaddressed guilt will take a major toll on you unless you try to change for the better. You cannot just keep doing really bad things and expect it won't have an effect on you. Then you tac on the torture and the Hell-hole prison stay.
I tend to think Voldemort gave Draco the task of killing Dumbledore with the intention that Draco would succeed in killing him making him the master of the elder wand and that Voldemort planned on killing Draco to take it, enacting the ultimate punishment on Lucius.
That actually makes sense. Voldemort was always planning several steps ahead for every eventuality. So it stands to reason that he would plan on killing Draco to achieve two goals at once
Azkaban fucked him up pretty bad, combined with his loss of status both in the wizarding world and with the death eaters and Voldemort, destroyed his self-confidence and ate away at him, drastically altering his physical appearing. I can attest, as somebody who is in their mid-thirties, with a third of my hair being grey already, that stress takes a toll on appearance.
Voldemort took Lucius' wand to use against Harry and it was destroyed. I wonder if he was without a wand after that? That would account for his disheveled appearance.
You did forget obout a teenager outsmarting him in the removal of Dobby as his house elf by Harry, which nearly caused him to use an Unforgivable Curse on Hogwarts grounds, and would have left him questioning his own brilliance as Harry's mother was the one thing he hated most: a muggle-birn or "mudblood".
Video idea: how does Azkaban function? Yes, we all know it’s guarded by dementors, but what about other things? Are there high and low security cells? What magical enchantments are there? What is the limit to an inmates magic (Black could still change to a dog)? Do aurors work there? How do inmates eat? Are there amenities such as a cafeteria, gym, library? Do inmates have access to the outside world via the daily profit or owls? Are inmates able to have visitors? Where can you or can’t you apparate from? How did Sirius escape? How did the death eaters escape (appeared to be a blasting curse, but how and by who)?
Nobody works there, since dementors perform all functions. Inmates do not have their wands, so they are very limited in what magic they can use. Dementors do bring food, according to book 3, but there are no amenities otherwise - it's basically medieval age prison. Judging by what Fudge said about flying from Azkaban, you can't apparate from any point on the island and have to use brooms. In words of Sirius himself, he slipped out in dog shape, as dementors have difficulties reading emotions and thoughts of animals, got through bars due to being malnourished and took swim to the mainland. No visits, beside inspections by ministry, and no access to outside world for inmates either, and most of them are basically in constant nightmare sleep.
when i was little and diddnt understand him as a person, I thought he looked so cool with his bright blond hair, fancy looking clothes, and snake cane. i would dress up like him and use "sun-in" on my hair.
Another punishment Voldemort stole his wand for battle of seven potters Lucius never replaced it as Malfoy manor visit for harry potter Bellatrix said.
I always had the feeling that Lucius wasn't nearly as powerful or as important a wizard as he thought he was. In Chamber of secrets he's outmanoeuvred by a 12 year old and loses his house elf, he threatens the school governors into sacking Dumbledore but as soon as things get worse the other governors ignore him and reinstate Dumbledore. In Deathly Hallows Part one at the dinner even though it's in his own house he's seated well down the table then Voldemort publicly humiliates him by taking his wand. His only importance was his money, without it he was nothing.
I found it interesting that Voldemort didn't know that his horcrux/diary had been destroyed. It seems that he felt every destruction of one of his horcruxes quite bitterly! As well, Harry was usually quite affected by being near a horcrux... his scar would ache or he just knew it was close by, as when he found the diadem in the room of requirements, but he didn't feel anything untoward when he was so close to the horcrux diary in Jenny's pot. He also didn't feel any connection when he first met Professor quirrell at the leaky cauldron with Hagrid. Perhaps these are just movie mistakes 🤷🏻♀️. I'll have to reread the books again to see if it was an error in the story as well... 🤔
I have always seen it not as a plot hole, but as intentional. The dairy was one of his first, if not actually the first. It was therefore a part of his soul that was closer to human. Also given the nature of needing to siphon life force before it could act, it was more hidden. It likely had the weakest evil foot prints so to speak. As for Voldemort's side of it, that book was his "Tom" part. This is a part of himself he actively avoids, that was fast aside and long forgotten. He likely have it no thought at first.
Getting bested by Harry his first year took the wind out of his sails, so to speak. That poked a hole in his ego that continued to grow, as he seemed to always second guess everything he did after that to the point he was ineffective for anyone.
My first impression of Lucius Malfoy was that he was a big prick. He just then became a mealy mouthed little yellow coward. Pettigrew showed more backbone than Lucius.
it´s pretty weird to me how openly L.M is Voldemorts supporter after he´s gone(and of corse when he returns) .....and he basically get´s nothing in sentence(?) ....i mean i understand why Draco+Narcissa get´s mercy for their actions
His participation fell off towards the end, and even though he was still guilty of a lot of terrible things, he made a deal with the authorities and ratted out everyone he possibly could.
Go read fanfiction there's literally thousands of them with that exact punishment for him and Draco. In some of them they thrive after being mugglefied in some of them it leads them down a very dark path of self destruction that ends in stuff like selling their bodies for money, food and shelter or them offing themselves. So glad this is fanon not canon.
Just one small part the loyalty of his wife through LaStrange and Snipe with Draco. His broken family trust may have been the final straw in his whole life, possibly an early grave.
"Im told you have not renounced the old ways". By whom were you told that voldy? Wormtail who barely saw malfoy? Who told him this exactly? Because he literally DID renounce them
Draco's mission was to kill Dumbledore . In that way Draco would then hold key to the Elder Wand . Then kill Draco , punishing Lucious , and claim the Elder Wand for himself . Being that Severus killed Dumbledore Voldamort killed Severus to claim the Wand . But he did not know that Draco had disarmed Dumbledore .
What happened to Lucius Malfoy? Oh just about everything. According to the Lore and Pottermore, the sly old dog used his immunity status, and Royal Family connections to escape jail. (Turns out the Malfoys are related to William the Conquer and thier weather was given as a thank you for saving the country, despite using dark magic), he ratted out his friends, he exposed secrets, he wrote books, lied through his teeth, used his amnesty , used his influence and wealth to disown his own son, to hide artifacts and continue to work at the Ministry Unspeakable, where they work on a prototype for a new improved Time Turner that has no restrictions.. He has taken over Borgan and Burks and he is causing distrust everywhere. Creating false rumours about his own son and even struggling with his now estranged marriage wife Narcissa. He is working on new dark arts. He also rescued a couple of Death Eaters out of jail to try work in secret projects
No idea, your welcome to search and find out for me....all I did was typed the question in google. It would be interesting if it was cannon. I know Rowling is always adding@@travisjbye1
@@travisjbye1It's extended canon. A lot of it is from JK Rowling filling in blanks in backstories for characters and families. It doesn't all fit in perfectly though with the books or even the films.
Pretty sure Harry didn’t see Lucius until AFTER his trial. And the minister was already in the courtroom so there’s no avenue to assume that he was trying to bribe Fudge to convince Harry. Not to mention the whole wizengamot voted in his guilt or innocence so it would’ve been foolish to bribe Fudge, because it just gets you one vote.
The Malfoy Family is a tale of redemption-not unlike Snape. It isn't perfect, and obviously they aren't heroic, in the same way Snape was, but they made moves in atoning for their past sins and taking accountability for their crimes. Each member played an important role in ending Voldemort's reign as much as they helped in his uprising. They don't deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, but they shouldn't be shielded from wizarding lawsuits from death of the families and should be banned from any public position/authority.
It would've been interesting if instead of becoming a broken man after the order of the Phoenix, Lucius would've turned into a silver tongued manipulator/backstabber. Helping to defeat Voldemort, but only for his own power hungry ambitions. Later after the dark lords defeat, Lucius would've later fled England and ended up in America where he would take over M.C.U.S.A thus becoming a major antagonist for the students of illvermorny (hope I spelled that right). To me at least, this would've been a good "what if" story.
I would include getting fired as a school governor because he planted the diary and removed Dumbledore. Lucius was always proud of his prestige, and this expulssion diminished his influence over the school.
Jason Isaacs, the actor who plays Lucius in the films, has mentioned numerous times throughout panels and interviews his belief that while being imprisoned in Azkaban, Lucius was subject to and a victim of prison crimes unfit for children’s books. 😬 Yikes.
In addition to what was said in previous replies his wife exerted what influence she had as a Malfoy and a Black and the reason Harry could even end Voldemort to get both him and their son out of any major consequences.
Because he has easy access to Ministry of Magic, for instance. With his connections and power he literally could go anywhere, even while Department of Mysteries is a no-go zone for someone not working there. He was in favor of Voldemort, until his failure to get the prophecy.
I admit I often imagine him having turned to the good side and turned less serious. I admit I imagine him replacing Sandman in a movie parodying Spider-Man No Way Home
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Harry and Arthur meet Lucius after not previously to the trial so your assumption that he tries to bribe fudge to punish harry isn’t true (why should he bribe someone who has his own motives? seems like a waste of money)
Voldermort even took a huge dump on his ego when he took his estate as his headquarters too.
This comment made me immediately try to picture Voldemort's pooping face. And his constipated pooping face.
Yep!
Lucius Malfoy's failures all stemmed from his penchant for cutting corners in every single one of his plans and actions.
His arrogance doesn't help him either in that.
Also his moral values! & "It's ME, what could possibly go wrong?" His belief that HE is above reproach!
Ooooh! Harsh! But, essentially totally correct.
I think that being tricked by Harry into losing Dobby, no longer a slave as a house elf seems like the very step in the downward spiral for Lucius. Probably didn't have much effect on Malfoy immediately, but it was the loss of a significant magical power -- no more Dobby to send at his beck and call to accomplish difficult tasks. Not to mention the embarrassment of being outwitted by a school boy using simple tricks. How would he answer the question people would ask when he returned from Hogwarts -- "Where's Dobby?"
This was the first disruption in his confidence -- showing him that things weren't as secure as Lucius had previously presumed.
You kinda have to wonder how do wizard families end up with house elves in the first place. The books never touch into that matter (save for the fact that they kinda count as property, so you can inherit them). Was it impossible for Lucius to just get himself another elf? He was still very wealthy, so I find it very hard to believe he couldn't buy another if that was possible, unless they're ridiculously expensive, and it's not like wizardfolk give a crap about elf rights, so I doubt they would refuse to provide him with another just for his history of abuse.
Maybe the elves themselves have heard stories about Dobby's treatment and they refused to serve his family? Who knows.
Really well put! This is the kind of thinking I love to read that keeps the magic living beyond the pages. 10 points to your house !
After Donny probably the had like 20 more elves slaved
@@DreadjawsI doubt getting a house elf is just a financial transaction. Only powerful families seem to have them . I’d wager they are neigh on irreplaceable once lost. No longer having Doby would be worse than a nobleman without a valet, very obvious in wizard society
Yeah Lucius Malfoy had become so arrogant after the fall of Voldemort and his return to wizard high society. That he didn't foresee Harry Potter, a child could trick him so easily, and cost him his servant.
BUT he had pretty hair. No one can deny the power of Lucius' hair.
His Lucius locks
Malfoy family and Weasley family, though mutually despising, have one thing in common -- they both have very strong hair color gene that their heirs' hair colors remain blonde / red regardless of their mother's hair colors😂😂😂
@@rocky_wangAnd they’re each exclusively sorted into only one house, which also both hated each other for decades ever since Riddle came and turned Slytherin into a Wizard Alt-Right bootcamp. And even after Riddle and his cause were dead and most of the idiots who believed as he did were imprisoned, Albus Potter (🤮 what a name, how come Harry named a child after a mean Potions teacher and the guy who raised him as a martyr but didn’t name his daughter “Minerva Rubea” after the only 2 professors who actually cared about him?) ending up there was enough to condemn him to a lifetime of teasing.
I was not serious but sounds like you are. As a Slytherin I must clarify two things:
1. The hatred between S and G is not from Tom Riddle but started from the very beginning when Salazar Slytherin walked out bcz Salazar only wanted pure-blood but Godric Gryffindor disagreed.
2. The reason Salazar only wanted pure-blood was because wizards were persecuted, hunted, and burned in the muggle world, and Hogwarts should be a safe-zone to wizards. Such ideology is fundamentally different from Alt-Right which consists of a privileged bunch who want to sustain such supremacy.
After all, if Slytherin is bad, why not Dumbledore just close it lol. Also, I doubt Tom Riddle is the true descendant of Salazar Slytherin as Tom is half-blood which is contradictory to Slytherin's ideology -- Draco Malfoy can be a "true" descendant lol
Again, I am not serious. JK rolling's plots have lots of loopholes 😁😁😁
@@rocky_wang Yeah she just got lucky with writing one story that makes up for her poor worldbuilding skills and “write first think later” attitude towards lore, with its wonder and lovability, all her others just completely suck (with a few more recent ones even featuring her increasingly-common bigoted tangents)
I’d also say that the humiliation of losing his House Elf to a 12 year old, and subsequently getting blasted by said Elf didn’t help.
😂😂😂😂 Dobby was such a boss
That bitch slap down the stairs kinda stopped that conflict real quick. I want to know so bad what would’ve happened if Harry actually got cursed here. I mean dumbledore is just on the other side of the door and I doubt he’d actually kill Harry. So really it’s the big spanking Lucius would’ve got from the headmaster that I’m most interested in.
@DrankenDune in the movie he started saying "avada..." and Jason Isaacs really sold that he'd have actually done it. Best argument might be temporary insanity. With his connections he might get away with it. Legally at least.
@@Th0ughtf0rce I don’t think you’ll legally get away with killing the boy who used to live
@@DrankenDune Dumbledore would have shattered Lucius into more pieces than Voldemort at the end of the 8th movie
Only thing missed was the BIG ONE, the loss of his own Wand by Voldemort himself when it failed to kill Potter. For a wizard I see no higher dishonor, if you ever make a remake in a few years that's all I'd add.
When Voldemort took his wand, that hit me particularly hard. A wand is crucial to a wizards identity and he made Lucius submit his life metaphorically in this scene. I’m sure before that he’s literally made him submit. Something about the wand is just so personal though.
You beat me to it. As far as I am aware, his wand was not replaced before the end of Deathly Hallows, so he was without his power for most of the book. He was stripped of his power and his identity as a wizard, but the way in which Voldemort took the wand also stripped Lucius of his dignity.
@@thorpizzleHe wouldn't have been entirely stripped of his magic because wizards can do magic without a wand, remember that Harry magically removed the glass and dropped Dudley into the python tank long before he got his wand and wasn't holding his wand when he blew up Aunt Marge.
@@emmitstewart1921 I think those were different. Both cases you mentioned had powerful anger behind them, and in the case of the glass disappearing, Harry hadn't even been trained yet. Young wizards and witches can do some magic before they start school, but very few can control it without a wand. Lucius was an adult wizard, and he had been trained to use a wand for so long that it might have been harder to control magic without it. Also, I think he had been mentally and emotionally diminished enough that he could not do his best magic even if he had his wand at that point.
@@emmitstewart1921 These are random situations, and doing controlled magic without a wand and in a normal emotional state is completely different. He would not been able to do it as he never learned to do magic without a wand, which is very hard. He would always loose even if he knew a little bit against basically everyone above third grade.
and further insult.. Voldemort snapped off the decoration piece that Lucius had on his wand. It was as if Voldemort showed Lucius that decoration doesn't make you any more worthwhile. His strutting about, snobbery, arrogance, could be seen as a decoration.
Lucius is one of the most pathetic characters in the Harry Potter story. A man that cajoled, bribed, bewitched, and fought to bring about a society dominated by pure-blooded witches and wizards. Only to find out that he and his family have no place in such a society.
Ah if you only new how real the caracter is.
Basically what most MAGA followers are attempting to emulate.
Sounds a bit like the woke🤔🍿
Go back to your kiss records, boomer@@kellysouter4381
@@kellysouter4381let’s leave the politics nonesense out of it.
The thing about Lucius was that he was more into the idea of serving Voldemort for the fame and social class status of purebloods more than anything else. He must have thought, "It'll be great. Purebloods will be on top and I'll be living it up even more and get to torture some muggles and life will be sweet." He didn't really comprehend until later that when you pledge loyalty to the dark lord, that is it. He owns you and everyone and everything you care about and won't hesitate to hurt them in any way he can if you displease him in the slightest or if he ever just finds an advantage to doing it.
Was he really such a sadist? From what I can remember, he always had more of an aura of egomaniac than a straight up sadist, which lead me into the idea that he would basically set himself up as the highest form of nobility, and he would enjoy putting down anyone else apart from his family or Voldy. But why would he just go around torturing people?
@pavelslama5543 It's hard to say how far he would go into hands-on stuff tbh since I just more thought of the Quidditch World Cup with how it was at least heavily implied he was masked and "having fun" with the muggles. But he's not on level with ones like the Carrows. Only thing I can't stand is when fanfiction authors turn him into an abusive dad doing stuff like using the cruciatus curse on Draco. Lucius would never do anything like that to his family imo, not verbal or psychological abuse either.
Your description of Lucius's dream of his future seems a lot like DJT's dream of his future and the consequences of regular folks complaining about it.
@stevezmuda8109 exactly what came to my mind; I'd argue they need to read Harry Potter, but I bet they'd just admire his pretty hair and miss the point
Come giustamente accade a quanti pensano di poter servire impunemente il Diavolo, dimenticando che il padrone malvagio non può provare riconoscenza alcuna, né donare alcunché di buono...
The ultimate lashing for Lucius was when Voldemort took his wand.
And then it shattered when pitted against Harry’s wand
Not only that, it was a family wand that was passed down.
@@Spartan3D213 "it's not a cane it's a walking stick"
In the movies Lucius was actually a bit of a beast.
He lead the death eaters through the battle of the department of mysteries, above Bellatrix and Dolohov.
During their duel with Sirius and Harry, Lucius actually outlasted Dolohov as well.
So he was pretty powerful, until he lost his confidence.
The Movies Are Not Cannon!!
@@Biblio_phile.01 They are 10x more cannon than Fantastic Beasts, and The cursed child.
The ability of the writer to show the complexity of the destruction of a villainous character is a key quality in great literature. Eg Gollum in LOTR. And Snape in Harry Potter. Your exploration of the downfall of Lucius Malfoy has been eye opening in this regard. Brilliant, thank you.
Lucius is more powerful than he is given credit for. There’s a reason why he was Voldemorts second in command and was the only death eater, apart from Snape, to stand up to Bellatrix, even without a wand.
He lead them in the books too. Why are you insinuating otherwise?
Narcissa was insane to lie to Voldemort. She lied to him, she lied to his face. Good mother. Voldemort wouldn’t be able to comprehend love.
Narcissa was horrible but I loved her for that.
It's amazing how extracting the unbreakable vow from Snape and lieing to Voldemort somehow elevated Narcissa to good mom status. Neither of those deeds says anything about her parenting skills.
that subtle act was enough to redeem her from pure evil to just villainous but not eveil
It wasn't much of a face to lie to. She *was* some distance away, and not looking at him.
"Voldemort wouldn’t be able to comprehend love." And that's why he always has, and always will, lose.
When Voldemort took Lucius's wand... and to further insult, Voldemort snapped off the decoration piece that Lucius had on his wand. It was as if Voldemort showed Lucius that decoration doesn't make you any more worthwhile. His strutting about, snobbery, arrogance, could be seen as a decoration.
Lucius didn't suffer from the Dementors as Fudge said they had left Azkaban immediately after Voldemort was exposed as having returned to join him. It is in the Daily Prophet at the end of OOTP.
Lucious Malfoy deserves that fate.
@@nintendogamingchannel1007 Well he may have deserved the dementors, but Fudge is quoted saying they had left Azkaban to join you-know-who.
@@nintendogamingchannel1007 He derive death!!
So who was guarding the place at the time?
@@MountainFisherthey all left?
Voldemort probably tortured him too and the fact all the failures meaning that at anytime Voldemort would kill his family. Voldemort of course loves to play with his food so in turn used Draco’s task of killing Dumbledore to slowly mess with the Lucius as when Draco inevitably failed Voldemort would kill Draco atleast that’s what Lucius would have been thinking
I think Voldemort secretly wanted to kill Draco as a way to punish Lucius, so that's probably a part of why he set the task in the first place
He could make an example of Lucius by destroying the thing he values most
The Dark Lord broke his magic stick, which was also his walking cane. So he tripped and fell down the bridge while trying to flee from the battlefield.
Lol
My opinion of Lucius Malloy never changed. I always considered him a narcissistic bully,and therefore a complete coward.
I know he was following his masters orders for fear of death, but using his manner for a prison for months keeping and Torturing the innocent,should have carried some additional punishment from the Ministry of magic.
@@jameswest981 You should take a look at the kinds of things that governments around the world have pardoned people for when they committed in times of war before you judge Lucius so severely. There's a reason they're called war atrocities. And there's a reason we as a collective human race agree there are no true victors in war.
true. And yet, she named his wife Narcissa instead.
Lucius is the real hero. He was so deep into enemy's territory, no one could tell, and he ruined every plan Voldy had. No one knew. No one could.
I'd guess when he was sent to Azkaban, much of his influence in wizard society evaporated and not only did he loose respect from his master and other death eaters, but many of his fellows in polite wizard society were now snubbing him, even if they held moderate pure blood views and that Lucius cam to realise he valued his reputation in society more than he realised now it was gone and while his standing in the cult he belonged to was also trashed.
It's played like Lucius was a bit of a coward and that's why he did not go to prison like the other death eaters. That he is really just a selfish person who used evil to advance himself. But Lucius tried to straight up murder Harry in the middle of the school in the second movie. I think that was the real him. It goes beyond arrogance to the point of madness. To me, that said that he truly was evil, not just playing evil. And the only reason he did not go to prison was because he was intelligent and could exercise a degree of restraint on his baser instincts, something people like Bellatrix could not do.
There's also the fact that he was extremely rich. A few donations to certain places within the Ministry would have allowed him to skip jail time just like how things work in the real world
Lucius trying to _avada kedavra_ Harry in the middle of Hogwart, right outside Dumbledore's office, is such a baffling change from the book... it's not even in the screenplay, and... okay I looked it up, and found the infamous interview in which Jason Isaacs claims that he was supposed to say "vera", which was the beginning of the unspecified minor spell that he was supposed to cast...
... but in this take he had re-read the fourth book and had the killing curse in mind, so he made a mistake and said "avada" instead and that was the take that was kept for the final cut of the movie.
It's still pretty weird how JKKK Rowling didn't veto this decision, surely she had some form of control over what could be changed in the films, even as a courtesy?
I understand that it was to give Dobby his "big damn hero" moment, but that should have been done with Lucius throwing a minor spell as intended, not the most forbidden of the trio of forbidden curses...
But anyway, it was a mistake by Mr Isaac (I love this actor so unlike that curse, he's forgiven
The generated subtitles read horcrux as "raw hug". I bet Voldie gives raw hugs.
That is all.
I think he was the worst of the worst in his younger years but after he became a father was when he started to change. He wanted to instill what he thought and believed in his son but Draco didn’t live up to his expectations either and knew he couldn’t do what he did at his age so that too also played a part in it as well.
Why?
You forgot the events of Malfoy Manor. They had the trio imprisoned there, summoned Voldment and then let them escape. (Albeit with Dobby's help)
Indeed, while Harry was digging up Dobby's grave he was having visions of Voldemort torturing Lucius and Bellatrix.
“Shifted sides” at the right time. Typical spineless villain. They will always survive.
Was he even a villain or just a man trying to survive at all costs?
@@juanchirino4900he was a villain, his actions before the last book showed that he was one, while his wife wasn’t a villain- nasty person, but no villain
@@bostonrailfan2427 His wife had no presence before the last book outside of being stationary at his or Draco's side. She was quite literally a piece of cardboard until the final book. But Rowling always did have this thing where she just had to make the mothers in this series seem like they were half way decent people. The nastiest action of Lucius before she benches him by having him jailed by the way is giving Ginny Tom Riddle's diary. And it has long been debated if he knew how dangerous it was or was just using it to make one of many digs at the Weasleys lack of wealth.
@@juanchirino4900 she literally had a whole chapter in the sixth book
@@bostonrailfan2427 is that the one where she tries spying on the order through Kreacher?
05:40 even though the movie implies that Malfoy might have tried to pay Fudge to convict Harry, it does not make a lot of sense and when looking at the books only, it is clear that this was not the reason for Malfoy being in the ministry on the day of Harrys trial. He's actually trying to scope out the place, where the prophecy is hidden and how the order is defending it. While he's doing that he was also able to hit Sturgis Podmore, who was guarding the corridor to the department of mysteries under an invisibility cloak, with an imperius curse. Much later in the book Harry and Hermoine actually get to that conclusion together if I remember correctly.
Besides that is there no reason for Malfoy to try and bribe Fudge since Fudge is trying his best to get Harry found guilty anyways.
I feel good about the malfoys all being pardoned. Harry would definitely remember narcissa’s help at the end. Draco attempted a redemption because he made a conscious decision to not sell out Harry twice. Lucius never actually fought against hogwarts at the end, and his rejection of voldemort at the end was genuine.
Agreed! He also decided that his social standing no where as important as his family's safety.
Nope, the Malfoys don't deserve to be pardoned. I DON't LIEK IT. the end was not genuine.
@@Gadget-ELJMordino126-yt9ci If you're that upset by it go read or write a fanfic where he doesn't get a good ending.
He let Tom Riddle's diary be destroyed. That was his biggest "failure". It was a horcrux. All of the horcruxes, over time, caused those who were near them to become Evil. The one in Harry affected the Durselys, the one Umbridge wore, the diary. By not having the diary nearby, the Malfoys lost their grip on evil. Even Draco, who sent Dobby to save Harry. The difference between the evil of the Malfoys and Voldemort's evil was that they actually loved their son. Not an emotion the Voldemort could feel.
Lucius was very memorable. He was a very slippery dude. He lied his heart and soul out. Cut corners. We can go on and on. The films, the books, but I also felt bad for him a few times. Voldemort pretty much decided he was going to kill Draco if he failed to kill Dumbledore. That devastated Draco’s parents. Voldemort was also even worse, he was a horrible man. He was terrible. I think about Lucius a lot when I read the books. Sometimes I wonder if Lucius acted this way intentionally, I think about that a lot. He had a family, he loved his son. Like any father, good or bad. He just wanted his son to survive this horrible mess they all found themselves in. As we go on, Lucius just looks terrible. He sounds terrible. And let’s be real, Draco wasn’t gunna kill Dumbledore. At the end of the day, I’m just glad they all got out alive.
The even more sad thing was, in spite of their care for their son, only Narcissa, not Lucius had the balls to defy Voldemort and go to Snape for help.
@@realmdarknessLucius was in Azkaban during that time, a free Lucius should have run to Snape for help.
Lucius had a father and grandfather who really believed all the pure blood stuff and taught him while he was small. I think that was in a Pottermore essay ages ago, but I remember it because it does explain things.
@@kellysouter4381 that is correct. Being raised in a house with pure blood ideology had to have been an interesting upbringing. It really showed too throughout the films.
@@realmdarkness well to be fair perhaps Voldemort was not watching her so closely, and that gave her an opportunity
There was an awkward tension for Bellatrix. She was devoted to her sister, Narcissa, but since she was married to Malfoy, it compromised her allegiance to Voldemort.
Surprisingly, I do feel pity for the old man, really.
I do believe his relationship with Uncle Vova had never been good - it's pretty clear that Voldie needed the Malfoys (who's going to pay for his champagne? he's literaty a nobody with no resources) than the Malfoy needed him. Of course Lucius would show no loyalty to Vova - his loyalty was to his family and I think Vova knew that. Going to Azkaban after Voldie just disappeared was not an option - Lucius had Draco to think and care about and never in the world he would put looking for Vova above his son.
CoS was again a failure not due to his miscalculation but due to Deux ex Machina. And again, it's Big D assumption about what Lucius did and didn't know about the diary.
And then yes, that fabulous idea to launch a DE attack at the Cup. Realy, I can perfectly well picture Lucius not taking part in the whole thing but talking to Fudge and getting Cissa and Draco pick up everything and go home. Because who'd be so foolish to do that with so much security at the place? And for what?
The Prophecy. Dear Lord! I don't know about you guys, but the whole thing was a disaster from the start. Because these 24/7-idiots calling themselves DE didn't care about the mission at all! They were all there to "play with children and cousins" (hello, Bella!). How do you achieve anything if your team are Dumb and Dumber characters? Uncle Vova showing up in person just added himself to the list of such characters.
I totally picture the old man whining to Severus and Narcissa about being surrounded and working with idiots then looking at Draco and start crying louder because his son is even a bigger idiot at times.
This attempt to make Draco a murderer, changed him. He is in the end the only real survivor of his family, but is in adulthood opposed to almost everything his family once stood for. Only by seeing the true face of evil and what he was meant to do, did Draco turn from that evil. One wonders if his father Lucius was grateful for this or just considered this one more failure in his life.
Lucius and his wife were disapoited that Draco didn't rise his son in a pureblood susperiority`s way.
i feel bad for the Black and Malfoy families. Lucious followed many rules of both sides, Voldemorts and the MoM sides and got mistreated by both.
he could uave been worse on either side and turned out better. his loyalty to both resulted in the loss of his family's status and respect.
Lucius had an equivalent on the Order side: Prof. Slughorne. The difference between them was that Lucius would use his contacts to threaten people, and only to help if he got something out of it as well. Compared to the wizards and witches around him, Lucius needed all the help he could get. As powerful as he was, he was mediocre in comparison.
The moment where Voldemort demanded Lucius' wand -- only to have it destroyed, was also a significant step in the unmanning of Lucius.
He probably wound up selling used brooms after his release from Azkaban, similar to a fate suffered by corrupt politicians in the Muggle World.
I think the thing with the Malfoys, both Lucius and Draco, is an example of people with radical ideas, who profess those ideas with passion and fanaticism, but when it comes to the point where they actually have to put those ideas into practice, and the ramifications, consequences, and overall just what it would mean to do it, they wilt. Draco was a passionate pure-blood believer, until it actually meant he would have to inflict very real acts of cruelty and malice against real people, and the reality of what he would have to do set in on him, and he couldn't bring himself to do it. And so, when it was all said and done, they fell apart in the end.
In the case of Lucius he did live his ideals though circa the tail end of the first war against Voldemort.
Draco very clearly didn't have it in him when the time came which honestly is fair and normal some people just don't have that in them. He also wasn't stupid enough to try playing at hero though so he was guilty of living the ideals he was raised by through inaction.
In the long run JK Rowling saw fit to punish that last bit of cowardice in particular by having his wife die from a blood curse. Which I always found to be pretty petty of her and almost a responsible from her to the people who hated that she had given him such a happy ending in the deathly hallows epilogue.
As bad as it got for Lucius Malfoy, not even he ended up as broken, powerless and alone as Lord Voldemort did at the end of his life.
Lucius didn't face the dementors at azkaban. They had already left and joined voldemort by the time he was captured.
Azkaban didn't need the Dementors to be a Hellhole Prison.
He fell off man. Guy had it all too, except a worthwhile son. Wife was a baddie. Peacocks in the yard. Cane wand. Can't ask for any more than that.
This all makes total sense but like other commenters I do think Harry not only putting the kibosh on Lucius's plans for the diary thus leading to it's destruction but also tricking him into freeing Dobby was the beginning of the end for him. He lost so much and was totally owned twice by a 12 year old half blood child in a ridiculously short span of time... that would have been so hard for him to take. The shame he would have felt would have been immense and the fact that he had no immediate recourse to avenge his losses and wounded pride would have made it even worse. Then it also very heavily contributed to his downward spiral once Voldemort returned . Lucius's eventual fall from grace and downward arc actually begun in COS with Harry's victories over him but like all things hindsight is 20/20 so of course that couldn't have been known then.
I think whatever dobby blasted him with was also a bad luck curse or something
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Funny thing is Voldemort actually helped Harry when he targeted Draco and was once again because of his actions foiled by love. Draco’s mom lied when Harry came back to save his life. So many times his moves to instill fear lead to a greater retribution. Neville wanting to avange his parents and destroying another horecrux was another good example where love always won. Love always beats tom.
I’d like to see a video of all the times Voldemort was defeated by love. Just for fun because it was almost the entire series 😂
Lucius had no idea the diary would open the chamber, as he didn’t know it was a horcrux and therefore wouldn’t have known that it could possess people. He was just getting rid of evidence for a master he believed defeated at that point.
Dumbledore says in the book he's sure Voldemort told Lucius about some of the properties of the diary without really telling him about his nature. If he believed there were no properties to the diary why would he bother getting rid of it, let alone in such a way? The only thing identifying the diary as Voldemort's was the Tom Riddle name, and few people knew that was Voldemort's real name.
@@Dreadjaws the majority of the older population would have known his true name, as some of the death eater and others like hagrid attended hogwarts with Tom. While yes I understand that malfoy probably knew it had dark potential I’m just saying he had no clue of its extent and that it would possess the owner silly enough to write in it. He had no clue the chamber would be opened by giving it to ginny, that was just a byproduct of him getting rid of it in her caldron.
@@Dreadjaws and Big D knew that because...? I'd guess Dumbledore was making assumptions here, rather than talking facts. The only way for him to know was through Snape, as far as I can see.
@@JohnDoe-lx3dt Again. Why would he even give it to Ginny if he didn't expect it to do something? It makes no sense whatsoever. And sure, the Death Eaters themselves knew who Voldemort was, but most people didn't because (again, like the books clearly state) he just left once and never reappeared. No one did the connection to Voldemort when he showed up because he looked completely different.
@@EltaninMalfoy Dumbledore clearly had many ways to know stuff others didn't. Voldemort never said a word to anyone about his horcruxes, for instance, yet Dumbledore figured it out. And he obviously has informants, not just Snape.
You may have already done one; but it would be interesting to see a video on Narcissa Malfoy. I think she was powerful, she was able to lie to Voldemorts face. Without being found out. What would have happened after the battle of Hogwarts? Did she stay with Luscious, since he was shown to be such an abject failure.
But Narcissa loved Lucius. There is one good thing in Malfoys: they really love each other
An excellent thing to dissect would be whether she was a good mother or not. Lucius was the more prevalent character between Draco's parents and his mistakes are thus under the microscope way more than hers when people talk about why Draco was the way he was in his youth and if he's worthy of redemption.
I personally think people use Lucius as a scapegoat in this matter. And they put Narcissa on a pedestal for two good actions during the war that do not correlate with her parenting skills in any way (extracting the unbreakable vow from Snape and lieing to Voldemort).
I agree- she made some good choices in the end.
She does stay with him canonically. In fact the implications are that she uses her influence as both a Malfoy through marriage and a Black by birth to keep her husband and son from Azkaban.
In the end, he managed to stay alive! Thats whats important 😂
Yeah, the narrator asked what did he miss? Well, everything really. Voldemort ended up destroyed, and Lucius not only lived, but he was even able to rejoin wizarding society. To paraphrase Scooby-Doo, he got away with it in spite of the meddling kids...or even because of them. Lucius was only a failure at being a villain. He was great at being a survivor...not only physically, but also financially, and in every other way. What's the problem?
I still think Lucius got off way too easy for his actions, but seeing him act like a whipped puppy in front of Voldemort after falling out of favor was satisfying.
Wouldn't be surprising, if he found a way to redeem himself eventually. He wasn't exactly evil. Just snobby af & an overall narcissistic wannabe Elite class Wizard. Neither of which should get him a permanent cell in Azkaban. Even in Riddle's side, he was always holding back to doing too much damage.
Being a death eater was by law illegal and punished with a cell in Azkaban, he was in the inner circle, tortured many wizards, witches and muggles with the cruciatus curse, murdered people with the killing curse, used the imperio curse to manipulate and take control of innocent people and making them do horrible things. He might have found a way to redeem himself in the later years, but saying he didnt do anything to get a cell in Azkaban is plain wrong.
@@Vakaria-plays Well, I didn't phrase it correctly. I believe I wanted to say it more like this: He had his wrong doings, but compared to BC Jr and Bellatrix for example, he's not such a menace to society, as other more insane and demented Death Eaters. I actually feel sorry for him. He literally went from failure to failure for a cause that he shouldn't have been a part of to begin with.
He literally tried to murder Harry just for freeing Dobby
@@theveganlawyer2193 That's in the movie only, not in the book.
Here so early, love the quote at the end it resonated
how you watch a 11 min video in 3 minutes tho? Magic huh ;)
@@25schmeckles55 He properly did not watch at all. He just want to feel special that he got here early.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890 😂 or I commented before watching smooth brain
The Malfoy's walking away when the final battle commenced at Hogwarts. An iconic scene.
I like the phrase you reference to close.
Should have seen Lucius Malfoy in the old movie "Warlock"..
Doby, buckbeak, chewed out by Voldy for running from the mark, being beaten by a bunch of teenagers in the dept of mysteries, the public humiliation of being outed as a death eater and it being front page news that he was sent to jail, Voldy breaking his wand in front of his family in their own home, Voldy taking over his home, his only son to be set up to die by Voldy, even Crabbe is making fun of the Malfoy name in the end and talking about how much of a loser Lucious is telling Draco that he's finished. The loss of respect is huge Lucious has lost so much respect Draco is now openly being mocked by his former henchmen because their dads now out rank his apparently. Just having to call another man lord or master.
Dumbledore also consistently humiliates Lucy at every turn when Lucy tries to get him fired repeatedly failing at that. I think Lucious gets ripped off at Borgain & Burke's too without even knowing it. Even just being in a position where he as a rich man has to lower himself to selling his stuff at a disreputable pawn shop so he doesnt get cuaght with illegal goods when the government raids his house shows he was losing control from the start. Whether it is the pawn shop owner low balling him and stealing back some of the money, Dumbledore outwitting and embarassing him, Voldty emasculating him, Harry openly disrespecting him, the house elf kicking his butt, or his mug shot in the news, the gov searching his home complete loss of privacy Voldy taking his home and embarassing him in it in front of his family and everyone they know, Lucy really does lose a lot of status and respectability despite his wealth. Just bc he is a billionaire it does not mean he can get caught breaking the law and expect to get away with it and it also does not mean he is the smartest or most powerful or talented wizard. Voldemort and Dumbledore both smack Luy down hard but by the end even Crabbe is making fun of him. I cant really think of a bigger sign that you are losing face. Maybe having Filch or Peeves make fun of Draco's dad to his face might drive home the point but Lucy really did lose big time he is lucky to not be in jail his wife and son partally redeemed the family but only enough to keep them out of prison.
The ultimate defeat is that his son rejects their family's supremacist views and opts to raise their child Lucy's grandchild to be more liberal this is really the icing on the cake for Lucy. Amazingly despite life repeatedly trying to humbe him and show him that he is mistaken Lucy never learns and he conntinues to hold on to his prejudices. No amount of humiliation or failure can teach Lucy to change he could literally end up living in a shack like the Gaunts and he would still be a bigot he never learns.
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Lucius (and Draco) are just spoiled brats who were raised by spoiled brats. They are much alike most rich people of more than 3 or 4 generations of money: they think they own the world, can do anything, can get away with anything, are entitled, but on the other side, are not responsible nor accountable for their actions. Usually those kind of characters never understand "other" people, and believe that they are on their "rightful" place above others. The only odd thing about this all is that Lucius and his family didn't flee when things started to become difficult (fourth book). And I think this was an attempt of JK Rowling to provide some sort of moral status to the story, because in real life, rich people just go elsewhere with their money until things cool down, while they only (maybe) finance the side they support. Otherwise, they always let others take the risks, die for them and just appear back when everything has developed to claim the victory (even if their side lost).
But as a mental exercise, what would happen to a spoiled rich person if suddenly they are left with nothing, not even their reputation? Well, I think they would have a worse time than the rest of us, so yeah, I think Lucius would be broken and maybe even lose his mind if sent to prison, expelled from society, his family threatened and his money impounded. BUT, when everything ended, as it seems from the "19 years later" scene, the Malfoys are still rich and powerful, so I think Lucius just came back to be mostly like he was before the whole ordeal, except his affairs are no longer carried by himself but by others so his "tarnish" doesn't affect their interests. In fact, the Malfoys ended up "redeemed" because in the end both Draco and Narcissa actually helped the "good guys" to win.
I’m tired and I heard “a tax on muggle-born students”. 😂
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His real first mistake was choosing to go down that path of supporting Voldemort as he rose to power the first time.
This is what his family had always been doing for generations. Being behind a very powerful wizard. That's what he did. Im not saying it wasn't a mistake, but it wasn't unexpected
He had about as much choice as Draco did years later given that he himself only joined because of his father Abraxas.
One thing in the movie, “The Goblet Of Fire” after Harry made it out of the graveyard. He never mentions to anyone, that he saw Lucius Malfoy as a Death Eater with Voltimort. You would think Fudge could have thrown him Azkaban. Instead we see him around. When Dumbledore defended Harry in the beginning of “Order of the Phoenix” when all of the ministers and Fudge were present, Harry could have brought it up then, when he see Fudge and Malfoy in the hallway, Harry could have said something. Kinda bothered me.
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No one believed him about voldemort even being back, fudge didn't want to admit it because it was a disaster for his position and he was scared dumbledore would take his job as minister because everyone had wanted dumbledore to be minister before him, and that harry was in dumbledore's pocket
So why, would him speaking up and pointing out one of the more influential people donating funds to the ministry was a death eater would have done ANY good? What would have stopped fudge from saying "see? They're incriminating people higher up the ladder now, i was right!"
His downfall and likely early death, as it is implied that he was deceased in Cursed Child, were mostly caused by his own terrible actions and his refusal to admit he was wrong. Unaddressed guilt will take a major toll on you unless you try to change for the better. You cannot just keep doing really bad things and expect it won't have an effect on you. Then you tac on the torture and the Hell-hole prison stay.
I tend to think Voldemort gave Draco the task of killing Dumbledore with the intention that Draco would succeed in killing him making him the master of the elder wand and that Voldemort planned on killing Draco to take it, enacting the ultimate punishment on Lucius.
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That actually makes sense. Voldemort was always planning several steps ahead for every eventuality. So it stands to reason that he would plan on killing Draco to achieve two goals at once
Did Voldemort know about the Elder Wand before Harry's 17th birthday?
@@iubalum2013nope. Everything that guy above said was bulshit 😂
Lucius is so beautiful though.. ❤️
Azkaban fucked him up pretty bad, combined with his loss of status both in the wizarding world and with the death eaters and Voldemort, destroyed his self-confidence and ate away at him, drastically altering his physical appearing. I can attest, as somebody who is in their mid-thirties, with a third of my hair being grey already, that stress takes a toll on appearance.
Voldemort took Lucius' wand to use against Harry and it was destroyed. I wonder if he was without a wand after that? That would account for his disheveled appearance.
You did forget obout a teenager outsmarting him in the removal of Dobby as his house elf by Harry, which nearly caused him to use an Unforgivable Curse on Hogwarts grounds, and would have left him questioning his own brilliance as Harry's mother was the one thing he hated most: a muggle-birn or "mudblood".
Video idea: how does Azkaban function?
Yes, we all know it’s guarded by dementors, but what about other things? Are there high and low security cells? What magical enchantments are there? What is the limit to an inmates magic (Black could still change to a dog)? Do aurors work there? How do inmates eat? Are there amenities such as a cafeteria, gym, library? Do inmates have access to the outside world via the daily profit or owls? Are inmates able to have visitors? Where can you or can’t you apparate from? How did Sirius escape? How did the death eaters escape (appeared to be a blasting curse, but how and by who)?
Nobody works there, since dementors perform all functions. Inmates do not have their wands, so they are very limited in what magic they can use. Dementors do bring food, according to book 3, but there are no amenities otherwise - it's basically medieval age prison. Judging by what Fudge said about flying from Azkaban, you can't apparate from any point on the island and have to use brooms. In words of Sirius himself, he slipped out in dog shape, as dementors have difficulties reading emotions and thoughts of animals, got through bars due to being malnourished and took swim to the mainland. No visits, beside inspections by ministry, and no access to outside world for inmates either, and most of them are basically in constant nightmare sleep.
Hmm….
Yep, no matter which way you spin it, Mayflower is nothing short of a wiener. May his ketchup be green, and his mustard replaced with butter.
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Fell on hard times, got hooked on that wizard crack.
8:12 the dementors had left and joined Voldemort by the time he was imprisoned
when i was little and diddnt understand him as a person, I thought he looked so cool with his bright blond hair, fancy looking clothes, and snake cane. i would dress up like him and use "sun-in" on my hair.
Another punishment Voldemort stole his wand for battle of seven potters Lucius never replaced it as Malfoy manor visit for harry potter Bellatrix said.
I always had the feeling that Lucius wasn't nearly as powerful or as important a wizard as he thought he was.
In Chamber of secrets he's outmanoeuvred by a 12 year old and loses his house elf, he threatens the school governors into sacking Dumbledore but as soon as things get worse the other governors ignore him and reinstate Dumbledore.
In Deathly Hallows Part one at the dinner even though it's in his own house he's seated well down the table then Voldemort publicly humiliates him by taking his wand.
His only importance was his money, without it he was nothing.
I found it interesting that Voldemort didn't know that his horcrux/diary had been destroyed. It seems that he felt every destruction of one of his horcruxes quite bitterly!
As well, Harry was usually quite affected by being near a horcrux... his scar would ache or he just knew it was close by, as when he found the diadem in the room of requirements, but he didn't feel anything untoward when he was so close to the horcrux diary in Jenny's pot. He also didn't feel any connection when he first met Professor quirrell at the leaky cauldron with Hagrid.
Perhaps these are just movie mistakes 🤷🏻♀️. I'll have to reread the books again to see if it was an error in the story as well... 🤔
I have always seen it not as a plot hole, but as intentional. The dairy was one of his first, if not actually the first.
It was therefore a part of his soul that was closer to human. Also given the nature of needing to siphon life force before it could act, it was more hidden. It likely had the weakest evil foot prints so to speak.
As for Voldemort's side of it, that book was his "Tom" part. This is a part of himself he actively avoids, that was fast aside and long forgotten. He likely have it no thought at first.
Getting bested by Harry his first year took the wind out of his sails, so to speak. That poked a hole in his ego that continued to grow, as he seemed to always second guess everything he did after that to the point he was ineffective for anyone.
My first impression of Lucius Malfoy was that he was a big prick. He just then became a mealy mouthed little yellow coward. Pettigrew showed more backbone than Lucius.
it´s pretty weird to me how openly L.M is Voldemorts supporter after he´s gone(and of corse when he returns) .....and he basically get´s nothing in sentence(?) ....i mean i understand why Draco+Narcissa get´s mercy for their actions
His participation fell off towards the end, and even though he was still guilty of a lot of terrible things, he made a deal with the authorities and ratted out everyone he possibly could.
While not as major as the rest on the list he also got decked in the face by Sirius
Considering Sirius is dead that's not exactly saying anything.
I wish there was a way too cut him off from his magic powers and make him become a muggle, That would have been a good and fair alternative to Azkaban
Technically that's what happens, if you stay near dementors long enough - they drain your magical abilities.
Go read fanfiction there's literally thousands of them with that exact punishment for him and Draco. In some of them they thrive after being mugglefied in some of them it leads them down a very dark path of self destruction that ends in stuff like selling their bodies for money, food and shelter or them offing themselves. So glad this is fanon not canon.
You missed mentioning voldy taking lucious's wand.
Just one small part the loyalty of his wife through LaStrange and Snipe with Draco. His broken family trust may have been the final straw in his whole life, possibly an early grave.
From the thumbnail, I thought that was the Mad King Aerys II Targaryen. Lol
Voldimort would have killed the son because the elder wand would not be his.
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"Im told you have not renounced the old ways". By whom were you told that voldy? Wormtail who barely saw malfoy? Who told him this exactly? Because he literally DID renounce them
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I think the Malfoys were made to be an example of the price of being bad.
Draco's mission was to kill Dumbledore . In that way Draco would then hold key to the Elder Wand . Then kill Draco , punishing Lucious , and claim the Elder Wand for himself . Being that Severus killed Dumbledore Voldamort killed Severus to claim the Wand . But he did not know that Draco had disarmed Dumbledore .
What happened to Lucius Malfoy? Oh just about everything. According to the Lore and Pottermore, the sly old dog used his immunity status, and Royal Family connections to escape jail. (Turns out the Malfoys are related to William the Conquer and thier weather was given as a thank you for saving the country, despite using dark magic), he ratted out his friends, he exposed secrets, he wrote books, lied through his teeth, used his amnesty , used his influence and wealth to disown his own son, to hide artifacts and continue to work at the Ministry Unspeakable, where they work on a prototype for a new improved Time Turner that has no restrictions.. He has taken over Borgan and Burks and he is causing distrust everywhere. Creating false rumours about his own son and even struggling with his now estranged marriage wife Narcissa. He is working on new dark arts. He also rescued a couple of Death Eaters out of jail to try work in secret projects
Damn man, you know more about Lucius than J.K. Rowling
I didn't do much, other than just look this up. I didn't even know until now@@KamielDV2
Where does someone find all this info? Is anything outside of the books actually cannon?
No idea, your welcome to search and find out for me....all I did was typed the question in google. It would be interesting if it was cannon. I know Rowling is always adding@@travisjbye1
@@travisjbye1It's extended canon. A lot of it is from JK Rowling filling in blanks in backstories for characters and families. It doesn't all fit in perfectly though with the books or even the films.
Absolutely still hate the guy because of what he did to Mel Gibson's sons in The Patriot. Great actor though.
Pretty sure Harry didn’t see Lucius until AFTER his trial. And the minister was already in the courtroom so there’s no avenue to assume that he was trying to bribe Fudge to convince Harry. Not to mention the whole wizengamot voted in his guilt or innocence so it would’ve been foolish to bribe Fudge, because it just gets you one vote.
The Malfoy Family is a tale of redemption-not unlike Snape. It isn't perfect, and obviously they aren't heroic, in the same way Snape was, but they made moves in atoning for their past sins and taking accountability for their crimes. Each member played an important role in ending Voldemort's reign as much as they helped in his uprising. They don't deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, but they shouldn't be shielded from wizarding lawsuits from death of the families and should be banned from any public position/authority.
It would've been interesting if instead of becoming a broken man after the order of the Phoenix, Lucius would've turned into a silver tongued manipulator/backstabber.
Helping to defeat Voldemort, but only for his own power hungry ambitions.
Later after the dark lords defeat, Lucius would've later fled England and ended up in America where he would take over M.C.U.S.A thus becoming a major antagonist for the students of illvermorny (hope I spelled that right).
To me at least, this would've been a good "what if" story.
I would include getting fired as a school governor because he planted the diary and removed Dumbledore. Lucius was always proud of his prestige, and this expulssion diminished his influence over the school.
Jason Isaacs, the actor who plays Lucius in the films, has mentioned numerous times throughout panels and interviews his belief that while being imprisoned in Azkaban, Lucius was subject to and a victim of prison crimes unfit for children’s books. 😬 Yikes.
Is there any canon info about if he was send to Azkaban or not, after the battle of Hogwarts?
I don’t think he went back
If I recall correctly because Lucius and the malfoy family abandoned Voldemort at the battle of Hogwarts they were all let off with minimal punishment
he wasn't. this is where I believe being wandless actually helped him in the end.
In addition to what was said in previous replies his wife exerted what influence she had as a Malfoy and a Black and the reason Harry could even end Voldemort to get both him and their son out of any major consequences.
Quoting Vernon Dursley: justice :}_
With all of the betrayals and ineptitude of Lucius, as far as Voldemort is concerned, WHY would he be given the important task to get the prophecy?
Because he has easy access to Ministry of Magic, for instance. With his connections and power he literally could go anywhere, even while Department of Mysteries is a no-go zone for someone not working there. He was in favor of Voldemort, until his failure to get the prophecy.
I admit I often imagine him having turned to the good side and turned less serious. I admit I imagine him replacing Sandman in a movie parodying Spider-Man No Way Home