The whole "pistol is better than carbine" argument is basically just "officer is better than infantry so pistol is better" which, I mean... I guess the officer is better than infantry, but the pistol isn't necessarily better. It just gets the job done.
The point people making out of this argument is cleary that people who play as line infranty with carbine is better off playing officer. Both of these guns are pretty similar interm of stats and use, so why even bother debating about them.
Which doesn't really make sense since The Carbine has more penetration compared to the pistol. If you're an officer you spend most of your time meleeing and going into crowds head first to gain a charge and only using pistol for bombers. The Carbine literally does more damage and acts almost like a shotgun when shooting at zombies up close.
@@ronblox6502 here the thing with carbine, it rarely come into uses. Carbine most of the time wouldn't done much better at all compare to other gun,, you would need to position yourself to make use of carbine superior penetration and the 10+ damage wouldn't come into matter at all. Your main objective is to pick off bomber which is easily cover up by other teammate that also shoot and if only like 2 people were shooting in your team then shit wouldn't even matter, bomber would still get through your defences.
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 not really? I pick off bombers but that doesn't stop me from using it on shamblers. The reload speed makes up for me using it on shamblers, too. The only time you're really forced to only shoot bombers is on kaub?
@@eduardocalderon9836 emm * it takes almost 3 seconds to pull out carbine and shove, any teammates you try to save with it are already dead * you have to be close to zombies, with a gun in your hands. you shouldn’t be doing this anyway * carbine still turns you info “officer without charge” since even the double pistol is more than accurate enough
Carbine + Hand Axe is basically officer but with a better gun and melee weapon but no charge If you have no clue how to use the bayonet propely youre probably better off just picking the carbine.
Now that the carbine has the shove ability it’s gained some more use and power, why use you’re hand axe or Sabre when you can just press a key and shove away the shamblers that are getting too close? It’s kinda more reliable in my personal opinion cause then you don’t have to wait a bit and risk getting hit to use you’re melee
What about giving the carbine another melee ability like the musket that acts similarly to the axe shove, pressing F (no prepare, you shove as soon as you hit the f key) it'll have the holder flip the carbine and use it to stun zombies using the butt of the gun and have it deal the same damage as the sabre but the animation speed is the same as the axe swing
So like, holder shoves the zom l4d style, the zom(s) is pushed 🔙 prob 3 studs and stunted, runner would probably fall flat and swiftly get up, same animation as player hit by barrel. If they hit the wall, or their heads bashed, deals a minimal damage, maybe as much as priest's stake's 25 dmg. But this is situational. Give it a cooldown of 3 secs and it is balanced. Basically axe shove included pushback, no chargeup but 3 secs cooldown so noone abuses it. Also imagine how cinematic it is, shove zoms, they stumbles, aim and shoot. Thanks for reading.
A way that carbine could be seen as maybe a potential choice to pick, is to make it to where the pistol can't penetrate the bomber's barrels as well (or in other words, give bombers resilience to the pistol) that way people may consider carbine. The only reason why this could be a logical choice is because the pistol's barrel is shorter and thus less muzzle velocity or something I don't know.
Gigantic nerf to the pistol. Idk if the community would like it. I think the problem is that the carbine is a marginally better pistol. Not that the pistol is a marginally worse carbine. Cough* The pistol doesn't need a nerf, the carbine needs a buff.
@@DarpMasta_JDKg1375 do you mean, really high damage or /kill? And besides I don't think damage is the problem. 95 dmg one shots shamblers, bombers, runners, and igniters. 120 headshot can kill a zapper.
Personally my idea would be to give it an ability; kinda like the axe and how it can brace/shove. I have a couple ideas: Shove. Just port it over to the carbine. Make it slower if you want. Idk An ability. "Focus". Stackable reload buff that lasts 12 seconds. (2 shots worth) Sacrifice some accuracy of the musket and the lethality of a bayonet for a quicker more supportive rifle.
i like the carbine cause it has similar penetration to the musket, atleast the last time i used it... which was shortly after the reload buff... edit: i used it again, still works
NOTHING will stop me from using the carbine as KGL and pretending to be a rifleman On another note I think they should make a rifleman/light infantry class, slow reload, no bayonet but with a slight movement and swing buff and more accuracy
I feel the best stat to make a rifle usable is some ungodly penetration like on par with roundshot but to still give it the bayonet now thats along with a long reaload i feel that might work but dosent matter they put that bitch in FAQs😔
I think the carbine is one of the best weapons, even musket/blunderbuss level. I personally use it most of the time, and it's really good to snipe off bombers just like you mentioned in endless, san sebastian, kaub etc. While the penetration/accuracy difference between the musket and the carbine are mostly unnoticeable, that cannot be said for the pistol. I also agree with the fact that the hand axe is overrated. It has such a low range and swing rate that cannot make up for its damage and generally more unreliable than the sabre. I am not biased at all, but I love the carbine with all my heart
I know this might not make sense but maybe they should increase the reload rate and accuracy of the carbine. Embracing the role of picking off bomber and ignaters.
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carbine becomes utterly useless in hardcore, including pistol and other items that deal low damage due to the power up of the zombie uh idk what to say lmao
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I swear while playing Line-infantry for my next video i'm making... I like the carbine better then the musket. On Catacombs I hit more bombers accurately then the musket. Any of the times i missed was either smoke from other guns blocking my view or the lack of penetration for the carbine.
@@engineergaming8272 'carbine shove is faster' yeah, but if you see a teammate getting grabbed and you have your sabre out (as you should), you have to go through the equipping animation of the carbine, which slows down the shove by a LOT. The carbine shove can't stun Zappers, and it has a lower hitcount. Not to mention, using the shove as an offensive tool to 'whittle down health', is illogical because you can do three times more damage by using the sabre. Oh, and if you didn't know, hitting a zombie with a sabre makes that zombie unable to grab you for a bit. So basically, the sabre has a built-in shove.
Ik this is outdated but i prefer a carbine over a musket i mean not only the reload speed is a good thing for me but the shove ability makes it a cherry on top because you can stun a few zombies for a few seconds and this can help support sapper's building incase a stack of zombies punch into one build but with the help of carbine's shove or axe's shove from the sapper it can stun zombies preventing them to keep breaking the builds while also give sappers time to repair the builds And also heavy sabre is basically like a bayonet since you can become a pvz lawnmower during officer's charge ability
Carbine is actually extremely good if you have heavy sabre. Because the heavy sabre has the bayonet mechanics and you also have a fast reloading good all around type of gun. You can also shove using the Carbine, which is like the axe for sapper, adding to opness. It also is faster when you shove, but you can't hold the shove. You can move when the process is being done though! Just test it out in your own private server if you don't trust me
3:00 so basically, the carbine is just the pistol but better for the catacombs & vardohus finale (and I guess you could include the Leipzig finale too)
I mainly do this with fast paced obj maps, where most of the servers are really experienced and steamroll through objective, since I’m prolly gonna use my sabers anyways… or in close quarters maps where there’s way too many seaman already
while the carbine may seem almost outclassed by the officer's pistol and charge,its still looks like an good mobility weapon for the line infrantry,the pike might look better,but if your looking for a weapom with good damage while not being as slow as the musket,pick the carbine like i will (once i got enough francs to buy it)
I feel like if the Carbine had a bayonet, it would be very op because your hardly slowed when reloading this thing and if zombies get close, then you can just immediatly stab them with bayonet if it had one. But other than that, the thing that sucks about the carbine is the penetration, they need to bump up the penetration of the gun because I feel like, 6 isn't enough. Sometimes when I aim for a bomber, the shot never reaches the bomber because they be covered by multipler zombies.
Finally, someone said it. YES, when it comes to stats as a standalone weapon, the carbine is a good weapon and better than the pistol. But when it comes to the intended purpose and role of each class, equipping the carbine is essentially like being a line infantryman without a bayonet and an officer without a charge ability. Plus, the pistol doesn't have terrible accuracy anymore. It's more than adequate for bomber popping, and can even snipe them VERY easily (especially in first person)
equipping heavy sabre and using stab (down arrow) its kinda like a bayonet especially during charges, just that heavy sabre needs to hit twice but it still got the range
it helps a certain kind of player like me (loves the quick load, cus we're no brainer-rushers and impatient asf) i cant withstand the stress watching the bomber get into my 100% hit range when using Officer on Catacombs; and i also fear that the penetration on it wont be enough to go through 1-3 zombies in front of the bomb. Also, idk why, but sometimes when i shoot a bomber on Kaub last-stand, it just... tanks it (?) and scrolls towards the sacred fortifications, blowing like 3 layers of wood and 2~4 mateys
I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but whenever I go first person as an officer it feels like all my pistol shots gain 100% accuracy, I've shot bombers & igniters at far ranges similarly to the musket (Last part of Paris Catacombs, me being far from the zombie spawnpoint in La Ferme d'En haut, and any zombies past the debris barricade in Leipzig). With my experiences above I'd obviously choose officer rather than a carbine line infantry.
The carbine...im quite mixed on it. The officers pistol pretty much allready serves the purpose but ya know the reg musket is much worse. But even with the officers pistol allready serving the purpose of the carbine, the carbine is just better. The only difference is the class since yknow you will play differently. Also please for all bayonet users out there get the fuck out of my house- I only find the bayonet good in charges but not much else. Its awkward to aim in third person even with shift lock and using it when there are more then 3 zombos on you will guarantee you getting munched like a cornflake. Oh and also...THE SHOVE-
I don’t like the hand axe either, waste of my francs. I will say I don’t have the carbine yet but I am close enough and really want it. I personally feel the bayonet is great during charges but I never really use it. Mainly because I use sapper but when using soldier I mainly try using my actual melee because side swipe kills more zombies per swing than stabs. But stabs are useful one reason for axe sucking (doesn’t effect me because I know how to kill runners from my time as a sapper main.) I personally like faster reloads because I can kill more zombies and I can penetrate more with big weapon. Kinda the reason why I use The light infantry German Regiment in B&I.
If ur team got bugler and officer. And you also don't want to switch from sabre to bayonet about few seconds, then carbine is good. It's literally just blunderbuss, but you need skills
Look, my argument in defense of the carbine is simple: penetration. It can both snipe bombers like pistol, and kill several zombies with one bullet like the musket I almost forgot, even if the pistol can do so as well, as you said, it does so better. The carbine can kill more than the pistol.
hear me out, making carbine secondary weapon, basically resurrecting it from the dead. You can use combo lance + carbine, swapping useless sabre for the good alternative to pistol, or musket + carbine combo to have good crowd control and bomber killing capabilities, but absolutely fear close combat
@@piotrm5635The buff barely did shit. The shove is only useful if you have your carbine fully equipped and very rarely have to save someone right next to you who was grabbed or ran over by a runner.
carbine and axe are a mixed class build like yoiu havd the hand axe where it just does more damaga than the sword but you have a shit musket so you replace it with a musket pistol gun
i feel like the musket should just be the SUV of the line infantry class, it can do both the pikes and carbines job, but slightly worse. that would entail making the muskets gun part worse than the carbine tho which wouldn't make much sense? maybe they can replace the carbine with something like a rifle, higher damage, higher accuracy, maybe about same reload speed if not a bit faster without the bayonet in the way.
I think the only way you could buff the Carbine is by nerfing the Pistol. The primary niche of the Carbine is eliminating Bombers and Igniters faster, more accurately, and overall more efficiently than its contemporaries. However, the Pistol fills the same niche, and the main difference maker between the two, that being their accuracy, is almost irrelevant. Like you mentioned, you can simply just wait for a zombie to get closer to you, but I find that the Pistol’s accuracy is surprisingly good. I’m unironically able to hit Bombers on long maps (aka Catacombs) very consistently, and the spread is a negligible factor. Additionally, since the Pistol reloads faster than the Carbine (without a fifer), it basically just fills the role objectively better than the other. I like the idea of being able to be flexible as an officer, sniping Bombers/Igniters then charging at the front, but maybe his sniping could be limited to mid range. I think that simply increasing the spread of the Pistol just a bit would make the Carbine be the best choice for its niche, while still retaining the officer’s ability to snipe, but forcing him to wait for more opportune moments when zombies are closer.
I had the same idea for a pistol nerf, but I don’t think you should nerf one gun just so another could be deemed worth using. So I thought of giving the carbine a 40% reload buff from a fife. Since you’re giving up damage and a bayonet for a faster reload, I think you might as well make the reload busted af.
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“NOOOOO U CANT USE CARBINE IT SUCKS” me:”hahaha funni bootleg officer go bang bang”
Haha funni smol musket
Hehe, musketoon.
yhey i have been unleashed to us semi bolt ridle😊
@@SomeToods12 why does it only do dmg on stun T-T
Haha me can wake
Carbine is if the musket and pistol had a child
And don't you dare fucking ask how
Which one offered to get child 🤔
And parents didn't wanted it
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The musket forget the condom
@@Slash11512WHAT THE FUCK
carbine is basically sawn-off musket except it's not buckshot roulette
The whole "pistol is better than carbine" argument is basically just "officer is better than infantry so pistol is better" which, I mean... I guess the officer is better than infantry, but the pistol isn't necessarily better. It just gets the job done.
The point people making out of this argument is cleary that people who play as line infranty with carbine is better off playing officer. Both of these guns are pretty similar interm of stats and use, so why even bother debating about them.
The argument is, "If you're removing the bayonet, and (effectively) using the pistol; why not just go officer?"
Which doesn't really make sense since The Carbine has more penetration compared to the pistol. If you're an officer you spend most of your time meleeing and going into crowds head first to gain a charge and only using pistol for bombers. The Carbine literally does more damage and acts almost like a shotgun when shooting at zombies up close.
@@ronblox6502 here the thing with carbine, it rarely come into uses. Carbine most of the time wouldn't done much better at all compare to other gun,, you would need to position yourself to make use of carbine superior penetration and the 10+ damage wouldn't come into matter at all. Your main objective is to pick off bomber which is easily cover up by other teammate that also shoot and if only like 2 people were shooting in your team then shit wouldn't even matter, bomber would still get through your defences.
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 not really? I pick off bombers but that doesn't stop me from using it on shamblers. The reload speed makes up for me using it on shamblers, too. The only time you're really forced to only shoot bombers is on kaub?
The Marine on the video's cover is very accurate, spot on!
If you want a less accurate, less damage gun with no bayonet, just go officer. At least you have a better sabre for that trade-off.
The carbine penetrates harder
Be somehow aiming better when using pistol : huh? 🗿
@@Turtleboilol is 1 that much of a difference
@@okaydoold
If I remember right, you can move full speed while aiming, just like the pistol.
@@Turtleboilol pistol exists
"Carbine sucks, becau-"
Shove mechanic: sorry to pop in unannounced (and a bit late)
This was made well before it got the shove
And it’s still bad
@@sweetboss151❌
@@sweetboss151 and you're wrong
@@eduardocalderon9836 emm
* it takes almost 3 seconds to pull out carbine and shove, any teammates you try to save with it are already dead
* you have to be close to zombies, with a gun in your hands. you shouldn’t be doing this anyway
* carbine still turns you info “officer without charge” since even the double pistol is more than accurate enough
NOW THE CARBINE CAN SHOVE!!! RAAAAGH!!! CARBINE JUSTICE!!!
W.
Carbine + Hand Axe is basically officer but with a better gun and melee weapon but no charge
If you have no clue how to use the bayonet propely youre probably better off just picking the carbine.
i call that the Skirmisher Sub-Class
Now that the carbine has the shove ability it’s gained some more use and power, why use you’re hand axe or Sabre when you can just press a key and shove away the shamblers that are getting too close? It’s kinda more reliable in my personal opinion cause then you don’t have to wait a bit and risk getting hit to use you’re melee
pov: heavy Sabre gets added
I prefer musket because swapping between gun - musket - sabre feels absolutely blunderbussing
Not sure if it’s because this video is still young, but with this editing skill and amazing art for each thumbnail deserves wayyy more attention
With the heavy sabre in the game, the carbine now has somewhat bayonet privileges.
I use Carbine + Heavy Sabre, great stuff.
Now feel like the carbine is really good since you can sync it up with the heavy saber to make up for the lack of bayonet + the carbine shove
Yeah heavy sabre makes carbine good
Idea, the carbine is lighter, and smaller, so uh, press f to bash?
It would be simillar, albeit slower then the axe, or you can make it the same.
Basically L4D shove mechanic
Pretty much.
Idk how to actually balance this other then a harsh cap on hits per swing. And maybe slowdown
What about giving the carbine another melee ability like the musket that acts similarly to the axe shove, pressing F (no prepare, you shove as soon as you hit the f key) it'll have the holder flip the carbine and use it to stun zombies using the butt of the gun and have it deal the same damage as the sabre but the animation speed is the same as the axe swing
@@Beltboy so a shove that does damage.
So like, holder shoves the zom l4d style, the zom(s) is pushed 🔙 prob 3 studs and stunted, runner would probably fall flat and swiftly get up, same animation as player hit by barrel. If they hit the wall, or their heads bashed, deals a minimal damage, maybe as much as priest's stake's 25 dmg. But this is situational.
Give it a cooldown of 3 secs and it is balanced. Basically axe shove included pushback, no chargeup but 3 secs cooldown so noone abuses it. Also imagine how cinematic it is, shove zoms, they stumbles, aim and shoot. Thanks for reading.
A way that carbine could be seen as maybe a potential choice to pick, is to make it to where the pistol can't penetrate the bomber's barrels as well (or in other words, give bombers resilience to the pistol) that way people may consider carbine. The only reason why this could be a logical choice is because the pistol's barrel is shorter and thus less muzzle velocity or something I don't know.
Gigantic nerf to the pistol. Idk if the community would like it.
I think the problem is that the carbine is a marginally better pistol. Not that the pistol is a marginally worse carbine.
Cough* The pistol doesn't need a nerf, the carbine needs a buff.
Maybe a guareenteed kill for anything with musket and carbine does current musket damage?
@@DarpMasta_JDKg1375 do you mean, really high damage or /kill?
And besides I don't think damage is the problem. 95 dmg one shots shamblers, bombers, runners, and igniters. 120 headshot can kill a zapper.
Personally my idea would be to give it an ability; kinda like the axe and how it can brace/shove.
I have a couple ideas:
Shove. Just port it over to the carbine. Make it slower if you want. Idk
An ability. "Focus". Stackable reload buff that lasts 12 seconds. (2 shots worth)
Sacrifice some accuracy of the musket and the lethality of a bayonet for a quicker more supportive rifle.
@@ManicObsevationsit did get it 🤗
i like the carbine cause it has similar penetration to the musket,
atleast the last time i used it...
which was shortly after the reload buff...
edit: i used it again, still works
NOTHING will stop me from using the carbine as KGL and pretending to be a rifleman
On another note I think they should make a rifleman/light infantry class, slow reload, no bayonet but with a slight movement and swing buff and more accuracy
the issue with rifles in gnb is that musket has perfect accuracy and there’s no need for good accuracy atm
I feel the best stat to make a rifle usable is some ungodly penetration like on par with roundshot but to still give it the bayonet now thats along with a long reaload i feel that might work but dosent matter they put that bitch in FAQs😔
@@adyensp bro transcended t reality
@@adyenspExactly. I'd love this class idea if it weren't for the fact that it isn't even necessary.
Maybe we can try a more melee oriented class?
"Thy carbine, i have done thy time with THY 1000 hours!"
Me, waiting for the Carbine vs Pistol rematch when he compares the Buffed Carbine with the DB pistol: (counting the rest of the class weapons)
I think the carbine is one of the best weapons, even musket/blunderbuss level. I personally use it most of the time, and it's really good to snipe off bombers just like you mentioned in endless, san sebastian, kaub etc. While the penetration/accuracy difference between the musket and the carbine are mostly unnoticeable, that cannot be said for the pistol.
I also agree with the fact that the hand axe is overrated. It has such a low range and swing rate that cannot make up for its damage and generally more unreliable than the sabre.
I am not biased at all, but I love the carbine with all my heart
Bro predicted the future at the end.
4:51 he meleed the fucking bomber saving the sappers builds.
The "Mann's Guide" vibes are awesome
Fun video keep up the great work
Recreating "The Fallen Angel" for this was some dedication i'll be real
I know this might not make sense but maybe they should increase the reload rate and accuracy of the carbine. Embracing the role of picking off bomber and ignaters.
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I love all the undertale music in the backround
Production value 👏
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carbine becomes utterly useless in hardcore, including pistol and other items that deal low damage due to the power up of the zombie
uh idk what to say lmao
The 5 people still playing hardcore be like
@@Canari_garde gotta get those easy francs
@@Canari_garde no no, hardcore server always have 4 servers with 15 person
The carbine's the line-infantries pistol! reason why I use it is so that I can pair it with the hand axe, which the officer does not have!
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And so they did. They buffed it with shove
Well glad that I came back after the update since they added the shove feature in the newest update
I used to use the carbine so more often before the G&B Vardøhus Updated
Carbine gives you carbs
ur vids remind me so much of uncle dane vids, love it :v
Splendid!
i would say the carbine is actually kinda cool!!! rahhhhhhh!! also im first comment hehehe ha
I swear while playing Line-infantry for my next video i'm making...
I like the carbine better then the musket.
On Catacombs I hit more bombers accurately then the musket.
Any of the times i missed was either smoke from other guns blocking my view or the lack of penetration for the carbine.
turn off the smoke.
@@staliniosifvissarionovich5588 Theirs a reason why i stated video. I usually turn them off when i'm not recording.
using the carbine is like playing a mix of officer and sapper, but with the good parts of neither of those
carbine shove is faster for me and plus it deal 10 damage now 10 damage doesnt sound alot but it can help to chip down the zombie health
@@engineergaming8272
'carbine shove is faster'
yeah, but if you see a teammate getting grabbed and you have your sabre out (as you should), you have to go through the equipping animation of the carbine, which slows down the shove by a LOT.
The carbine shove can't stun Zappers, and it has a lower hitcount.
Not to mention, using the shove as an offensive tool to 'whittle down health', is illogical because you can do three times more damage by using the sabre.
Oh, and if you didn't know, hitting a zombie with a sabre makes that zombie unable to grab you for a bit. So basically, the sabre has a built-in shove.
@@engineergaming8272why tf would you chip down a zombies health with a shove???
HEY THAT'S ME HOLDING A JACK-O'-LANTERN AND BEING A PREIST
In vard map
The carbine gives the average lineman all of the perks of being an officer, without any of the perks of being an officer.
Ik this is outdated but i prefer a carbine over a musket i mean not only the reload speed is a good thing for me but the shove ability makes it a cherry on top because you can stun a few zombies for a few seconds and this can help support sapper's building incase a stack of zombies punch into one build but with the help of carbine's shove or axe's shove from the sapper it can stun zombies preventing them to keep breaking the builds while also give sappers time to repair the builds
And also heavy sabre is basically like a bayonet since you can become a pvz lawnmower during officer's charge ability
Carbine is actually extremely good if you have heavy sabre. Because the heavy sabre has the bayonet mechanics and you also have a fast reloading good all around type of gun. You can also shove using the Carbine, which is like the axe for sapper, adding to opness. It also is faster when you shove, but you can't hold the shove. You can move when the process is being done though! Just test it out in your own private server if you don't trust me
its outdated
The intro reminds me of sound smiths "A mann's guide to the beggars bazooka"
"Carbine is just the officers pistol"
So the Nock gun is better?
Nope, the nock gun is without a doubt the worst gun in the game, but at least it still has its own unique use ;)
@@2fore2splace50 exactly
@@samsarex4318 unlike the carbine...
@@2fore2splace50 who needs the Carbine when you have the m4a1 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you want to use the carbine have this loadout carbine-hand axe-grenades you will basically be the equivalent to a napoleonic assault class
Carbine is even better now that it can shove!
I like carbine mostly cause of the higher speed during reload, it helps me escape from zombies when in closed in areas and it looks cool
3:00 so basically, the carbine is just the pistol but better for the catacombs & vardohus finale
(and I guess you could include the Leipzig finale too)
You play Officer if you want to have fun, you play Infantry with Carbine if you don’t want to risk dying to zombies
I have no idea how to use a bayonet so the carbine is better for me
The bayonet is worthless anyways
I mainly do this with fast paced obj maps, where most of the servers are really experienced and steamroll through objective, since I’m prolly gonna use my sabers anyways… or in close quarters maps where there’s way too many seaman already
4:41 yup, they made a shove feature with the carbine like the sappers axe.
is saber better than handaxe? i just bought handaxe and i havent played with it a lot but idk if i should keep using it
If you believe in your teammate and can calculate weapon range you're good to go
btw I don't trust my team
yes
in terms of damage yes, but in term of wider range of attack and deal more damage to zapper not really
Yes and no
@@nessie1094 sacrifices everything for damage just like carbine sacrifices everything for reload time
are you gon make an update vod
The carbine has been buffed to have a 6.7 second reload and can now shove zombies which can stun them
while the carbine may seem almost outclassed by the officer's pistol and charge,its still looks like an good mobility weapon for the line infrantry,the pike might look better,but if your looking for a weapom with good damage while not being as slow as the musket,pick the carbine like i will (once i got enough francs to buy it)
BRO PREDICTED IT NO WAY 4:40
Carbine is basically a light infantry weapon if you dont want a musket.
It’s interesting that even with the shove, this weapon still doesn’t have a lot going for it.
I feel like if the Carbine had a bayonet, it would be very op because your hardly slowed when reloading this thing and if zombies get close, then you can just immediatly stab them with bayonet if it had one.
But other than that, the thing that sucks about the carbine is the penetration, they need to bump up the penetration of the gun because I feel like, 6 isn't enough. Sometimes when I aim for a bomber, the shot never reaches the bomber because they be covered by multipler zombies.
and then they added the shove mechanic to it
literally manns guide but with funni napoleonic lego people
Finally, someone said it. YES, when it comes to stats as a standalone weapon, the carbine is a good weapon and better than the pistol. But when it comes to the intended purpose and role of each class, equipping the carbine is essentially like being a line infantryman without a bayonet and an officer without a charge ability. Plus, the pistol doesn't have terrible accuracy anymore. It's more than adequate for bomber popping, and can even snipe them VERY easily (especially in first person)
I'd say it's still good, since the officer does more melee dmg to get their charge up, while the carbine picks off those zombies the best overall.
equipping heavy sabre and using stab (down arrow) its kinda like a bayonet especially during charges, just that heavy sabre needs to hit twice but it still got the range
it helps a certain kind of player like me (loves the quick load, cus we're no brainer-rushers and impatient asf)
i cant withstand the stress watching the bomber get into my 100% hit range when using Officer on Catacombs; and i also fear that the penetration on it wont be enough to go through 1-3 zombies in front of the bomb.
Also, idk why, but sometimes when i shoot a bomber on Kaub last-stand, it just... tanks it (?) and scrolls towards the sacred fortifications, blowing like 3 layers of wood and 2~4 mateys
I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but whenever I go first person as an officer it feels like all my pistol shots gain 100% accuracy, I've shot bombers & igniters at far ranges similarly to the musket (Last part of Paris Catacombs, me being far from the zombie spawnpoint in La Ferme d'En haut, and any zombies past the debris barricade in Leipzig).
With my experiences above I'd obviously choose officer rather than a carbine line infantry.
thanks for putting me in the end of the video pookie
np cuh
The carbine...im quite mixed on it.
The officers pistol pretty much allready serves the purpose but ya know the reg musket is much worse.
But even with the officers pistol allready serving the purpose of the carbine, the carbine is just better. The only difference is the class since yknow you will play differently.
Also please for all bayonet users out there get the fuck out of my house-
I only find the bayonet good in charges but not much else. Its awkward to aim in third person even with shift lock and using it when there are more then 3 zombos on you will guarantee you getting munched like a cornflake.
Oh and also...THE SHOVE-
no it isnt🤯
@@okaydoold thats YOUR opinion ol chap, and that is MY opinion
@@Canari_gardeif you made a comment, you should be expecting people to reply instead of saying that it's just your opinion
one word: Bayonet
@@stockest1976 mid
The update made it better, Shove and 6.7 reload speed.
I don’t like the hand axe either, waste of my francs. I will say I don’t have the carbine yet but I am close enough and really want it. I personally feel the bayonet is great during charges but I never really use it. Mainly because I use sapper but when using soldier I mainly try using my actual melee because side swipe kills more zombies per swing than stabs. But stabs are useful one reason for axe sucking (doesn’t effect me because I know how to kill runners from my time as a sapper main.) I personally like faster reloads because I can kill more zombies and I can penetrate more with big weapon. Kinda the reason why I use The light infantry German Regiment in B&I.
If ur team got bugler and officer. And you also don't want to switch from sabre to bayonet about few seconds, then carbine is good. It's literally just blunderbuss, but you need skills
Nice edits
Can you show some cool cosmetic combos
I have been using the saber instead of the bayonet when a officer uses charge...What was I thinking
Good news, ITS GOOD NOW YIPPIIIII
Carbine supremacy
Look, my argument in defense of the carbine is simple: penetration.
It can both snipe bombers like pistol, and kill several zombies with one bullet like the musket
I almost forgot, even if the pistol can do so as well, as you said, it does so better. The carbine can kill more than the pistol.
It kills exactly ONE more zombie
@@2fore2splace50 and that’s reliably, the pistol isn’t as reliable
I think that the devs balance was the long sword thingy so you get a faster gun for a longer and slower blade
it carbine shove not the heavy sabre bruh
hear me out, making carbine secondary weapon, basically resurrecting it from the dead. You can use combo lance + carbine, swapping useless sabre for the good alternative to pistol, or musket + carbine combo to have good crowd control and bomber killing capabilities, but absolutely fear close combat
video was made before carbine was buffed
@@piotrm5635The buff barely did shit. The shove is only useful if you have your carbine fully equipped and very rarely have to save someone right next to you who was grabbed or ran over by a runner.
>remove carbine from shop
>make partisans
>give it to them (rng)
carbine fixed with the power of ignoring the problem!
carbine and axe are a mixed class build like yoiu havd the hand axe where it just does more damaga than the sword but you have a shit musket so you replace it with a musket pistol gun
i feel like the musket should just be the SUV of the line infantry class, it can do both the pikes and carbines job, but slightly worse. that would entail making the muskets gun part worse than the carbine tho which wouldn't make much sense? maybe they can replace the carbine with something like a rifle, higher damage, higher accuracy, maybe about same reload speed if not a bit faster without the bayonet in the way.
i like the idea but musket has perfect accuracy and we have no need for such good accuracy rn. maybe that’ll change with an lrc oriented map
I think the only way you could buff the Carbine is by nerfing the Pistol. The primary niche of the Carbine is eliminating Bombers and Igniters faster, more accurately, and overall more efficiently than its contemporaries. However, the Pistol fills the same niche, and the main difference maker between the two, that being their accuracy, is almost irrelevant.
Like you mentioned, you can simply just wait for a zombie to get closer to you, but I find that the Pistol’s accuracy is surprisingly good. I’m unironically able to hit Bombers on long maps (aka Catacombs) very consistently, and the spread is a negligible factor. Additionally, since the Pistol reloads faster than the Carbine (without a fifer), it basically just fills the role objectively better than the other.
I like the idea of being able to be flexible as an officer, sniping Bombers/Igniters then charging at the front, but maybe his sniping could be limited to mid range. I think that simply increasing the spread of the Pistol just a bit would make the Carbine be the best choice for its niche, while still retaining the officer’s ability to snipe, but forcing him to wait for more opportune moments when zombies are closer.
I had the same idea for a pistol nerf, but I don’t think you should nerf one gun just so another could be deemed worth using. So I thought of giving the carbine a 40% reload buff from a fife. Since you’re giving up damage and a bayonet for a faster reload, I think you might as well make the reload busted af.
I respectfully disagree with you with the statement that the hand axe is bad, because it may have lower range but consider the higher damage and speed
I never said the hand axe was bad, I just said I didn’t like it. I probably should have made that more clear.
@2fore2splace50fair enough (sorry forgot to reply)
Me after the update, buys carbine, ha ha carbine go swing!
Hello Shovel!
Finally, someone explaining why the carbine is pretty much redundant. Now instead of telling carbine mains to stfu I can send them this link.
Ah yes, the watered down pistol.
I think they should low carbine price
Its like using Pistol, but better
You gotta be broke ass to not have 300 Francs
fire video
how 2 make line infantry with carbine best
1. use heavy sabre
2. have literally one officer on your team
3. be front and backliner ez win ggs
update 0.10.3: you can now shoveling the zombies with carbine (except zapper and bomber)
Incase u wanted to know the bayonet dies 155 dmg to whatever u touch
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What do you recommend me to get first or grind?
I was thinking in getting the Double Barrel "Pistol", and later get grenades and water buckets