I love your analysis of the "sleeper agent" heteromorph plot line. It's the perfect phrase to summarize how I've felt about it for a while now. Thing is, after being in this fandom for so long I've noticed how common it is to be initially disgusted by Shoji's quirk, as well as people like Toga and Shinso. Horikoshi has played that base instinct for laughs a couple times, and also subtly planted the idea that there's something more sinister going on with the heteromorphs, like how Gang Orca was listed number 10 on "heroes that look like they should be villains," a little aside in season 3 that had nothing to do with anything except to set this battle up way in advance. It looks to me that Horikoshi intentionally put us in the shoes of those who are disgusted by heteromorphs and "villain quirk" types, only to pull the rug out from under us and say, "see? isn't this kind of fucked up?" He forces us to examine ourselves and the connections between the BNHA universe and our own. What are our implicit biases? How do they affect others? What happens when gut reactions go unchecked and spiral out of control? It's uncomfortable and eerie, but that's exactly why it's so fascinating. And brave.
Deku vs Shigaraki, the beginning of their fight was so cool. Shoji and Koda getting their spotlight in Ep. 14 was superb and his fight against Spinner was epic.
It’s so nice to hear y’all say you like Gentle and think he’s underrated. I know I can’t speak for everyone because there is a lot of fans who didn’t skip it (like me) and actually like the school festival arc in the last half of season 4 but I also know a lot of people who classify that as “filler” for some reason even tho it’s not and they just skip it. But they just think it’s boring and don’t care about the wholesome band plot going on which is really annoying lmao because Gentle and Dekus fight was badass and actually had a meaning behind it.
31:15 actually the racism towards mutans was established way back in S2, but was explored more in S5, in the AFO flashback and also in the My Villain Academia arc, which sadly was butchered hard so most of those plot lines were removed or didn't leave an impression
THE VOICE ACTING IN EPISODE 13 WAS JUST OUT OF THIS WORLD.......THE WAY HE SAYS GEARSHIFT OVERDRIVE , FCKING CHILLS.THEY ALSO BROUGHT BACK THE INFAMOUS OST "YOU SAY RUN".NAH BROOOO THIS SHOW IS EPIC, I DONT GET WHY PEOPLE HATE THIS.
I'm so glad to share with you the emotions that those two episodes gave me. Ans their thematic are really interesting ! Thank you for sharing this with us
HECK YEAH! EPISODE 14! HETEROMORPHS RISE UP! While it hasn’t been at the forefront exactly, there have been a lot of instances of heteromorph prejudice that we’ve seen before this. Sometimes not even intentionally. Shoto Todoroki called the chief of police a “mutt,” and a member of Class 1-B saying that octopuses creeped her out to Shoji’s face. And then of course there’s the Creature Rejection Cult from last season. It’s a genuine problem that some people, heroes included, can gloss over at times. That leads us to here. Two different perspectives. Should heteromorphs tear down the corrupt system that enabled this kind of prejudice? Or should they prove the prejudice people wrong by becoming a part of that system? Either way, it’s hard to say whether or not that grudge will ever truly disappear. Biggest regret here though? Accepting those quirks from All for One. By manipulating the emotions of those who were wronged by society, he’s using their cause to further his own agenda. And now, the only person who could possibly understand what was going on, can barely speak properly. Ultimately, this cause was part of a bigger picture that speaks to the corruption of hero society, and changing the world for the better...
I kinda wish you guys talk in between the episodes when you do the double reactions. To clarify, I love your commentary and I feel like first episode always gets the short end of stick as it is not the recent one in your memeries.
In relation to episode 14, hiding your true appearance, or even true self to avoid scaring people is an unfortunate reality. Truth be told, I think both ways of rising up against oppression and prejudice have their merits. But I guess that’s the hardest choice for a lot of people. Truth be told, I feel really bad for Spinner. While he may not have wanted to be the face of this cause, he definitely cared on some level. But that care he had was physically warped into whatever he is now by All for One. On one hand, I would want to support a movement like this, because truth be told, a lot of people, whether intentionally or not, have hurt heteromorphs, and society has enabled that kind of behavior. But on the other hand, I can’t say that attacking a hospital is really a great way to prove the point that heteromorphs deserve equal treatment. It’s sad to say, but if All for One loses, then many of these people would be thrown in prison and seen as nothing more than criminals to the public. Obviously, I don’t blame them for acting the way they are though. It’s not fair that they have to make the choice to be strong against unwarranted discrimination that was thrown against them. Nothing about any of this is fair. But I guess that’s my main point. How should we choose to rise up against an oppressive world? Time is one of the main things that will tell.
I saw an interesting theory that said the reason Deku made a scarf out of blackwhip is cause he knows he can't smile right now like All Might would, so instead he's covering his face so no one can see his rage and sorrow
I think she's the first reactor to actually feel for Deku. Like I can't even imagine the pure pain, and guilt he must be going through. I think its cool how he looks like the fucking boogeyman, but you know he looks like that because he's in so much pain.
Righttt,i thought i'm being the weird one bcuz i literally cry eveytime deku's being so shock and unable to even scream there for every single reactor. But most reactor didn't really feel what deku feel, they just see that Deku's in rage
Well, Gearshift is far more impressive then it could look on a first time, as this ability allows to ignore a law of inertia, which gives Infinite and Instant acceleration without adding any force to it, which allows to reched the top Universal speed ( in our world it's Speed of Light ). But Deku also warp laws of governing Reality ( in subtitles was mentioned "World" instead of "Reality" how it was in manga, but it's not a big deal as Reality and World are the same words in Japanese language ) and laws of Reality are time, space, physics and so on ( that is incredibly powerful as Deku can move even in time stop or even more ), but which is more important, that one of laws of Reality is Universal Speed limit, like Speed of light, and as Deku warp this law, that mean there is no limit for Deku in speed and with Infinite and Instant acceleration from ignoring inertia, Deku can instantly get Infinite Speed or at least Google Plex speed. For supporting fact that Deku is Infinite Speed with Gearshift, thr sound appeared after Deku's moves, it's actually not the same thing as broking sound barrir, as you still can see how object moving, you still hear a Sonic Boom, so it's totally different. Deku is just dissappear and then sound appears, which mean that space can't understand where Deku is, it's like an omnipresence or Infinite Speed in physics ( also, even Endeavor move faster tgen Izuku hear Sonic Boom in season 5, so Deku is definitely faster then that. And as Deku's cells can't get enough oxygen, which mean that ait is not moving inside his organs, which is another proof of Infinite speed ). So Gearshift is a totally broken ability, even more broken then Decay and it's kinda fun that in tge past this ability just change speed of only small object and with huge limitations😅.
@@Zennethe What does it have to do with the Olympics? They probs did it because they wanted to end the season at a specific point in the story to transition to season 8 better.
As I've said on other reactions, I don't really buy the discrimination that's been said in the series as we've not seen it until the moment we're shown it in such a big deal. We've got Heteromorph Heroes like Gang Orca, a Heteromorph Principle in Nezu and even the Police Chief with the Dog Head. I could buy that in the countryside there's discrimination, but that would really mean either the entire society that we've seen is a total lie or it's been overblown with so many Heteromorphs rioting to fight for the Villains League. I don't buy it ultimately, I think that Horikoshi had an idea for this but it was too late in development of the story to apply it properly and he just went with it instead of developing a real reason. Maybe having foreigner Heteromorphs who are discriminated against in their countries using the chaos in JP to start rioting and get attention on their pain? I think that might have made more sense than this.
Gang Orca is on a ranking list of Heroes Who Look Like Villains and Nezu is literally an animal with a Quirk whose backstory involved being subjected to experiments that left a mark. The Creature Rejection Clan shown in the previous season is an extremist hate group, but prejudice and discrimination exist as a continuum with lower-level expressions. MHA's world takes place the better part of a century after a time that frankly looks borderline postapocalyptic from the parts of it we see when we get glimpses of the Second and Third bearers of One For All's era and the vast majority of our time in the setting is spent in dense metropolitan areas where law and order is well-established and the government has made a lot of clearly-defined (and sometimes shady or cynically optics-focused) efforts to keep it that way. Fifteen thousand people sounds like a lot, but that's 0.1% of the modern population of Tokyo and not even a quarter of the capacity of the biggest sports stadium in Japan. A quarter of Japan's modern population lives in the Tokyo metropolitan area; I have no trouble believing the numbers could be that high if they were coming from all over the country for weeks during a time of particular global unrest. Could this sociological phenomenon have been better established if it was introduced earlier? Sure. Would that require significant rearrangement of the story to bring concepts that didn't directly affect the main cast into prominence while more immediate plot beats were going on? Almost definitely.
@@WonSab no, it would simply need to be sprinkled in the background of the story gradually to build up to the realisation that the cast has. It would show just how innocent the main characters are of the world and how separated they are from the bigotry that exists for some - it would be a reason why people like Shoji and Koda are such good people as they've been shown that to their friends they're not weird or wrong, they're just different - that we didn't see this people can argue like you have and say that it's just under the surface. But while that can be argued is a more realistic depiction of bigotry being shown, it isn't realistic in a narrative way and BHN is fictional story and for that it needs to logically progress and have people make realisations about things that happen earlier, to do what the kids do in this episode ourselves and go "Oh... OH! So THAT'S why (x thing) was like that! Oh God I didn't even think about that!" but as we weren't given even the tiniest clue, this comes completely out of left field and is out of nowhere, it doesn't work.
I love the heteromorph plotline. Specifically the how that it's done. For all these years while people watched/read the series, every now and then someone would say "why they look like that tho?". Like the quirks were understood, but what does having a shadow monster in your stomach have to do with a bird head? The number of people grossed out by Shoji's quirk on sight was pretty consistently high. And I don't point this out to judge those people, that's what these things were designed to do. And there was no answer. The series nearly never talked about it, it was just there. And then when society collapses and we're exposed to thoughts that are usually more guarded or isolated, voila, turns out people in-universe were doing the exact same thing. Without feeling like we're on the same side, we understand their position completely naturally. With nearly no coverage, a surprise plotline comes out in the final arc of the series and it feels like it was always there because it *was,* the lack of coverage _was_ coverage. It's really quite brilliant.
I love your analysis of the "sleeper agent" heteromorph plot line. It's the perfect phrase to summarize how I've felt about it for a while now. Thing is, after being in this fandom for so long I've noticed how common it is to be initially disgusted by Shoji's quirk, as well as people like Toga and Shinso. Horikoshi has played that base instinct for laughs a couple times, and also subtly planted the idea that there's something more sinister going on with the heteromorphs, like how Gang Orca was listed number 10 on "heroes that look like they should be villains," a little aside in season 3 that had nothing to do with anything except to set this battle up way in advance. It looks to me that Horikoshi intentionally put us in the shoes of those who are disgusted by heteromorphs and "villain quirk" types, only to pull the rug out from under us and say, "see? isn't this kind of fucked up?" He forces us to examine ourselves and the connections between the BNHA universe and our own. What are our implicit biases? How do they affect others? What happens when gut reactions go unchecked and spiral out of control? It's uncomfortable and eerie, but that's exactly why it's so fascinating. And brave.
Deku vs Shigaraki, the beginning of their fight was so cool. Shoji and Koda getting their spotlight in Ep. 14 was superb and his fight against Spinner was epic.
I agree with you here is amzing episode have nice day my friend❤
Shoji was cool but i did not care for koda and him growing his "horns" 😅
Shoji quickly became one of my favorite characters after this episode
As a massive fan of Shoji, Spinner, and Koda for a while, episode 14 is one of my new favorites
I cried a lot at both episodes. Class 1-A has gone through so much, and look at them now; they're now strong HEROES :
It’s so nice to hear y’all say you like Gentle and think he’s underrated. I know I can’t speak for everyone because there is a lot of fans who didn’t skip it (like me) and actually like the school festival arc in the last half of season 4 but I also know a lot of people who classify that as “filler” for some reason even tho it’s not and they just skip it. But they just think it’s boring and don’t care about the wholesome band plot going on which is really annoying lmao because Gentle and Dekus fight was badass and actually had a meaning behind it.
I love how excited Anna gets 😆 She’s adorable! ☺️🫶🏼 Great discussion like always you two, it’s always a good day when you guys drop a reaction 🙌🏼
31:15 actually the racism towards mutans was established way back in S2, but was explored more in S5, in the AFO flashback and also in the My Villain Academia arc, which sadly was butchered hard so most of those plot lines were removed or didn't leave an impression
THE VOICE ACTING IN EPISODE 13 WAS JUST OUT OF THIS WORLD.......THE WAY HE SAYS GEARSHIFT OVERDRIVE , FCKING CHILLS.THEY ALSO BROUGHT BACK THE INFAMOUS OST "YOU SAY RUN".NAH BROOOO THIS SHOW IS EPIC, I DONT GET WHY PEOPLE HATE THIS.
Where's episode 12?
Lets go! Very excited to hear your thoughts on these episodes considering how crazy both are
Is amzing episodes l love my boy Deku and shigarki battle iş my favorite after dabi and shoto too too have nice day❤
I'm so glad to share with you the emotions that those two episodes gave me. Ans their thematic are really interesting ! Thank you for sharing this with us
HECK YEAH! EPISODE 14! HETEROMORPHS RISE UP!
While it hasn’t been at the forefront exactly, there have been a lot of instances of heteromorph prejudice that we’ve seen before this. Sometimes not even intentionally. Shoto Todoroki called the chief of police a “mutt,” and a member of Class 1-B saying that octopuses creeped her out to Shoji’s face. And then of course there’s the Creature Rejection Cult from last season. It’s a genuine problem that some people, heroes included, can gloss over at times.
That leads us to here. Two different perspectives. Should heteromorphs tear down the corrupt system that enabled this kind of prejudice? Or should they prove the prejudice people wrong by becoming a part of that system? Either way, it’s hard to say whether or not that grudge will ever truly disappear.
Biggest regret here though? Accepting those quirks from All for One. By manipulating the emotions of those who were wronged by society, he’s using their cause to further his own agenda. And now, the only person who could possibly understand what was going on, can barely speak properly.
Ultimately, this cause was part of a bigger picture that speaks to the corruption of hero society, and changing the world for the better...
Idk why when shoji punched spinner that I was expecting an explosion on his blow.
I kinda wish you guys talk in between the episodes when you do the double reactions. To clarify, I love your commentary and I feel like first episode always gets the short end of stick as it is not the recent one in your memeries.
In relation to episode 14, hiding your true appearance, or even true self to avoid scaring people is an unfortunate reality. Truth be told, I think both ways of rising up against oppression and prejudice have their merits. But I guess that’s the hardest choice for a lot of people.
Truth be told, I feel really bad for Spinner. While he may not have wanted to be the face of this cause, he definitely cared on some level. But that care he had was physically warped into whatever he is now by All for One.
On one hand, I would want to support a movement like this, because truth be told, a lot of people, whether intentionally or not, have hurt heteromorphs, and society has enabled that kind of behavior.
But on the other hand, I can’t say that attacking a hospital is really a great way to prove the point that heteromorphs deserve equal treatment. It’s sad to say, but if All for One loses, then many of these people would be thrown in prison and seen as nothing more than criminals to the public. Obviously, I don’t blame them for acting the way they are though. It’s not fair that they have to make the choice to be strong against unwarranted discrimination that was thrown against them.
Nothing about any of this is fair. But I guess that’s my main point. How should we choose to rise up against an oppressive world? Time is one of the main things that will tell.
The Creature Rejection Clan from 6x13 in Mr. Compress' flashback also seeded events.
I saw an interesting theory that said the reason Deku made a scarf out of blackwhip is cause he knows he can't smile right now like All Might would, so instead he's covering his face so no one can see his rage and sorrow
I think she's the first reactor to actually feel for Deku. Like I can't even imagine the pure pain, and guilt he must be going through. I think its cool how he looks like the fucking boogeyman, but you know he looks like that because he's in so much pain.
Righttt,i thought i'm being the weird one bcuz i literally cry eveytime deku's being so shock and unable to even scream there for every single reactor. But most reactor didn't really feel what deku feel, they just see that Deku's in rage
Well, Gearshift is far more impressive then it could look on a first time, as this ability allows to ignore a law of inertia, which gives Infinite and Instant acceleration without adding any force to it, which allows to reched the top Universal speed ( in our world it's Speed of Light ). But Deku also warp laws of governing Reality ( in subtitles was mentioned "World" instead of "Reality" how it was in manga, but it's not a big deal as Reality and World are the same words in Japanese language ) and laws of Reality are time, space, physics and so on ( that is incredibly powerful as Deku can move even in time stop or even more ), but which is more important, that one of laws of Reality is Universal Speed limit, like Speed of light, and as Deku warp this law, that mean there is no limit for Deku in speed and with Infinite and Instant acceleration from ignoring inertia, Deku can instantly get Infinite Speed or at least Google Plex speed. For supporting fact that Deku is Infinite Speed with Gearshift, thr sound appeared after Deku's moves, it's actually not the same thing as broking sound barrir, as you still can see how object moving, you still hear a Sonic Boom, so it's totally different. Deku is just dissappear and then sound appears, which mean that space can't understand where Deku is, it's like an omnipresence or Infinite Speed in physics ( also, even Endeavor move faster tgen Izuku hear Sonic Boom in season 5, so Deku is definitely faster then that. And as Deku's cells can't get enough oxygen, which mean that ait is not moving inside his organs, which is another proof of Infinite speed ). So Gearshift is a totally broken ability, even more broken then Decay and it's kinda fun that in tge past this ability just change speed of only small object and with huge limitations😅.
7:05 I'm assuming he's taken that from Aizawa ;)
I agree with you here my friend ❤
@@اميرمادرا yeah, he both trained with him, and with people that trained with Aizawa.
2:52 oooh.... 👀🤭
I had the exact same reaction.
Bro i legit went like this “😈😈”
Has anyone told them that there's only 21 episodes this season
sadly... damn olympics man.
@@Zennethe What does it have to do with the Olympics? They probs did it because they wanted to end the season at a specific point in the story to transition to season 8 better.
W discussion
What happened with episode 12?
Together with Shoji is one of the deepest episodes ever in anime... amazing episode.
wheres 12 tho
taken down due to copyright block. Working on the reupload!
@@AutoSaveFamilyiş ok have nice day keep going your the best❤
Due to the olympics season 7 MHA has only 21 episodes.
No ? It's already been decided before the season been aired ... that's why there 4 episode of mha memories before season 7 been aired
As I've said on other reactions, I don't really buy the discrimination that's been said in the series as we've not seen it until the moment we're shown it in such a big deal.
We've got Heteromorph Heroes like Gang Orca, a Heteromorph Principle in Nezu and even the Police Chief with the Dog Head.
I could buy that in the countryside there's discrimination, but that would really mean either the entire society that we've seen is a total lie or it's been overblown with so many Heteromorphs rioting to fight for the Villains League.
I don't buy it ultimately, I think that Horikoshi had an idea for this but it was too late in development of the story to apply it properly and he just went with it instead of developing a real reason.
Maybe having foreigner Heteromorphs who are discriminated against in their countries using the chaos in JP to start rioting and get attention on their pain? I think that might have made more sense than this.
Gang Orca is on a ranking list of Heroes Who Look Like Villains and Nezu is literally an animal with a Quirk whose backstory involved being subjected to experiments that left a mark. The Creature Rejection Clan shown in the previous season is an extremist hate group, but prejudice and discrimination exist as a continuum with lower-level expressions. MHA's world takes place the better part of a century after a time that frankly looks borderline postapocalyptic from the parts of it we see when we get glimpses of the Second and Third bearers of One For All's era and the vast majority of our time in the setting is spent in dense metropolitan areas where law and order is well-established and the government has made a lot of clearly-defined (and sometimes shady or cynically optics-focused) efforts to keep it that way.
Fifteen thousand people sounds like a lot, but that's 0.1% of the modern population of Tokyo and not even a quarter of the capacity of the biggest sports stadium in Japan. A quarter of Japan's modern population lives in the Tokyo metropolitan area; I have no trouble believing the numbers could be that high if they were coming from all over the country for weeks during a time of particular global unrest.
Could this sociological phenomenon have been better established if it was introduced earlier? Sure. Would that require significant rearrangement of the story to bring concepts that didn't directly affect the main cast into prominence while more immediate plot beats were going on? Almost definitely.
@@WonSab no, it would simply need to be sprinkled in the background of the story gradually to build up to the realisation that the cast has.
It would show just how innocent the main characters are of the world and how separated they are from the bigotry that exists for some - it would be a reason why people like Shoji and Koda are such good people as they've been shown that to their friends they're not weird or wrong, they're just different - that we didn't see this people can argue like you have and say that it's just under the surface.
But while that can be argued is a more realistic depiction of bigotry being shown, it isn't realistic in a narrative way and BHN is fictional story and for that it needs to logically progress and have people make realisations about things that happen earlier, to do what the kids do in this episode ourselves and go "Oh... OH! So THAT'S why (x thing) was like that! Oh God I didn't even think about that!"
but as we weren't given even the tiniest clue, this comes completely out of left field and is out of nowhere, it doesn't work.
I love the heteromorph plotline. Specifically the how that it's done. For all these years while people watched/read the series, every now and then someone would say "why they look like that tho?". Like the quirks were understood, but what does having a shadow monster in your stomach have to do with a bird head? The number of people grossed out by Shoji's quirk on sight was pretty consistently high. And I don't point this out to judge those people, that's what these things were designed to do. And there was no answer. The series nearly never talked about it, it was just there. And then when society collapses and we're exposed to thoughts that are usually more guarded or isolated, voila, turns out people in-universe were doing the exact same thing. Without feeling like we're on the same side, we understand their position completely naturally. With nearly no coverage, a surprise plotline comes out in the final arc of the series and it feels like it was always there because it *was,* the lack of coverage _was_ coverage. It's really quite brilliant.
I agree with you here is amzing sotry of them l fell şad for spinner and his People too have nice day my friend ❤