Learning to Foil VLOG
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Re-uploaded due to problem with sound on last upload.
There is a lot going on with foiling. Controlling the wing, the board, the position of your feet and trying to figure out if you are in the right position to get the foil to lift and stay steady once up to give smooth and controlled flight.
Good position is dependent on knowing where the balance point of your foil is under your board. Here a simple way to find the balance point and where your feet should go in relation to that point. 
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Wow! Thank you. This should be the first thing everyone learns after they can sail the board around off foil.
Thank you.
Wish I had watched this video yesterday 🤦🏻♂️ spent all day fighting the board and wind.
Literally the best video out there bar non, it explains everything you need to know and how it works from the physics point of view and you can't argue with science fact, the right wing, right board and hydrofoil, good conditions to learn, go and test out where your feet needs to be, and BINGO no unnecessarily struggle needed. You don't even need to pump the wing or the hydrofoil, simply plane upto Speed , with gentle body adjustment and up you go.
I wish enough people find this video.
Many thanks for the invaluable information mate.
Thank you. I’m glad you found it useful.
I try to break it down and strip the hype and the jargon.
Enjoy your future flights 👍
Applied this technique yesterday, spent all afternoon on the water, and boom we have lift off, and then every time after this. This video is the best video out there by miles!!
(I now have very sore arms and looking forward to getting into a harness at some point, it's like learning to windsurf without a harness all over again...lol)
Woo hoo!!!
Excellent to hear.
Such a simple technique but so many struggle to understand what’s going under their feet.
Glad it’s helped you. Happy flying
Thank you. Exactly what I need today.
Cant wait to try your advice. Tks so much
@@bmurray2854
Fingers crossed for you.
Let me know how you get on.
I've been struggling for a a couple of weeks and I get the same advice from people and it's always stand directly over the mast and have a wide stance and the other is your 1750 front foil too small. I'm 86 kg and I know others who learned on this and I feel it lifing but never smooth and always held back (as it turns out and as it feels like..by me). Now you've explained it..and i'm very much a tech info absorber ...it makes perfect sense. just moved mast right to back and put foil on and can see I was waaaayyy too far back on back foot. It rings so true as at one point i stood in the middle of the board to dog upwind and the board started to rise but i ignored it and went back to standing over the mast. board is gong zuma 6'6" 120ltr. fanatic high aspect 1750 (but it's not like a slip of a front foil..it is meaty), 200 on the back and an 80cm fuselage. 75cm mast. I'll let you know what happens when i put your info to test on water. btw..if you have pumping sussed can we get a video on that from the foil point of view and what actually needs to happen in light wind. Is all well and good people say pump wing and board by doing x and Y, but i'd find it easier if the actual dynamics of what is.needs to happen to foil to get it up in light airs. cheers
Hi Adrian. Hope you get to try out the technique soon. Its sometimes such small things that hold you back but in the moment you just can't figure it out and sometimes the right thing is counter-intuitive,
I would like to something on pumping but at the moment I don't really have the right footage to assist in an explanation. I will see what i can do.
@@heliboy999fly any thoughts on what effect fuselage length has on foot position. Btw not had any wind really so not had chance to try out technique except for 20 mins and i managed to get some controlled flight. Felt good. But cheated and worked out foot position on dry land by working out where centre of lift was with mast at back of track. Put an 80cm fuselage on as found the 64cm was a bit lively when learning.... Hence was asking about foot position with different length fuselage. I'm sure it has some bearing on it
@@adrianwest10 Hi. Sorry for late reply, been very busy at work. Fuse length won't really have a huge effect on the lift but may give a slight change in the balance point due to the Stab having more effect on the Front wing. It may only be a couple of mm so not something to stress over. Probably not even noticeable. It will however make the foil much more stable which gives you time to figure things out and progress on. I recently went from a 75cm fuse to a 60cm fuse and rode it for one session and went straight back to the longer stab as it killed all my gybes and felt too unstable. Wasn't worth the effort for what small benefits I might be getting in pumping etc.
Many thanks for the 'long form' explanation. Some of us need time to process details. Well done. Cheers.
Thank you. Glad it’s helped you
Hi - just starting my foiling journey and I have a Gong HIPE setup - just stumbled upon your channel and find your explanation is really good - I shall put this into practice when I next go out and I’ll certainly be liking and subscribing 👍😉
Thankyou. I hope it works for you. Many others have found it very useful and progressed after trying g it. Good luck. Let me know how you get on.
Again, the perfect video to sort your stance. In addition it doesn’t hurt to have advanced foilers ride your rig and tell you where they were standing.
Always nice to have a friendly advanced rider but they are mostly way offshore shredding and looking rad. lol
Thank you so much for the most precious advice out there.
Great information thank you for sharing 👍😊
Thank you for this amazing video.I am struggling with the new foil and the new board. Next time on the water I will follow your instruction and hope to be successful.
Nil Ebert
Good luck. 🤞
I really like your method for finding the balance point. I'm going to try it the next time I go out on my board. Thanks for sharing!
Hope it helps you.
Thank you for this! I have been struggling with a wing that climbs too fast and quickly stalls - now I understand what I’ve been doing wrong. I will move it all the way back and use your technique😄
Hope this helps you get steady flights
Dude, you nailed it! That helps so much! Thanks!
Hope it helps 👍
Seriously great vid, can't wait to apply this theory. The lift point of the of the wing is new to me, everybody always focuses on the center of the mast to your feet. I'll report back with progress for sure!
Hope it helps . Let me know how you get on
you're the number one! Thank you!
This is the very best explane. This is exakt my problem. I stand with my 105 kg just in Front of the Balance point. I put my foil in Front, but my weigth is to much in the little Front of the board. Now I understand. I Do the foil more in the back and try your Technik. Next weekend.Thanks a lot
Hope it helps you. 👍
Very interesting and instructive , good show 👍🏄🏼♂️
Thank you
Another big thanks for the advice, I’m going through the same process and getting nowhere, so thanks for sharing your advice it’s superb, looking forward to cracking on.🙏
Sorry just seen this. How’s the progress?
@@heliboy999fly never looked back thanks, I tell anyone I know who’s struggling 🤙🤙🙏
@@richardclarke2213 excellent. Fly high, fly fast fly safe Sir.
Hi, I followed your instructions and as others have said this method works great. I am using a fanatic 6’3 skysup with a gong XL X-over foil with 85 mast and found that my balance point was between both the front and rear most forward foot strap holes positions (full forward). I haven’t used foot straps yet as I’ve only just started foiling but I may add them now so that I don’t have to look down to check my feet position. No more aching back leg or seesaw action. Thanks for this video.
Glad it helped you. Enjoy the journey 👍
Thank you for this amazing video. I almost figured this out by myself. Now I'm going to move the foil back because my feeling is that the footstraps are way back and I had to make too much pressure in my front leg to keep the board under control.
Should only take a few runs to dial in the balance point and then you can move things to tune in precisely
Good luck
Excellent! Thanks for this.
Thanks Clive.
From one HEMS pilot to another. Thank you for this video. Can’t wait to get out again and try this. Hopefully I won’t be taking off completely out of control (on a foil not a helicopter!!). 👍
Hope you get a good session. What do you fly?
H145 in Devon.
@@rosswhite9607 Nice part of the world to fly. Bet it’s bumpy today
? I have a gong zuma 6.0 and allvator xxl. Where should I place my mast initially? In the centre? I have no straps so I can move around. Looking at your video. I definitely had my feet too far back and that’s the reason why I couldn’t glide off the water or if I did, it would just pop out of the water uncontrollably! I am 70kg. Good windsurfer and very good kiter. Went 4 times but damn this thing is like a crazy horse which I need to tame ! Thank you for the video greetings from Italy
As per the video place it right at the back until you find the balance point after that you can move it to where it feels your feet should be
Preferably so you are on the most floaty party of the board
@@heliboy999fly thank you I will try :)
Great video, thanks.. I'm going to try this. Couple of questions. I don't have an awful lot of trouble getting on foil and leveling out..but a lot of trouble with a strong current forcing the foil to do odd things at a tangent to the wind. Making stability an issue just prior to taking off. Any tips? Riding an AK phaser 90lt with AK 1600 foil. I definitely think my rear foot is too far behind the mast plate, and was advised to trim the stab to positive lift but thinking that could be making it likely.
Hi. Sorry for late reply. Just seen your question. Did you sort the problem?
@@heliboy999fly lol, no. I'm totally fine in flattish turn of the tide water. But out of control with strong currents
@@LiesaSmith do you mean waves and chop? A current shouldn’t affect you because I’m you move within it unless it’s a very small area of turbulent water??
@@heliboy999fly we have about a 9knt current normally at an opposing direction to the chop and wind
@@LiesaSmith wow! That’s extreme.
So the current takes you upwind? ( in to the wind) and makes chop?
What that is doing is giving you the equivalent of 9knots of extra wind so you need to depower your hand wing and also try to ride “downwind” which involves standing more upright and also more over the board whilst you are in the current. Going down wind means you have less to lean on and you need to be very delicate with your weight and foot position.
I’ve sailed in 5 knots current before but 9 is extreme. It’s also going to cause a lot of turbulence over your foil.
A longer fuselage and rear Stab will help as well as it will be more stable and slower to react.
Had to upload this again due to sound problem on the first.
Thanks for a good video! What Gong fiol and size are you using?
That foil was a Slingshot Infinity 99
Thanks for a great explanation. Could you please specify were exactly should I position my the front and back foot relative to the board' center line?
Hi. As a start I would say that your front foot should be atv45 degrees to the centre line and your toes just on the centreline.
Your back foot should be across the centreline with your shin in line with the centreline. That will put your centre of gravity over the centreline when your arms are outstretched
Thanks for the re upload. Very helpful. How do you find the Gong foil in comparison to the Slingshot? I have the Infinity 84 and want to continue using this for windfoiling but wonder if a bigger foil would get me winging in less wind. I have a Gong Pulse 7m and Lance 5’8 but I’m 100kg.
Hi.
The Gong Allvator XXL is amazing. Gets me up in very light winds and it’s very stable. Doesn’t like to turn but that’s a small price to pay for very light wind foiling.
My 84 is the next foil down for Me and I use that from 15 mph up to 35 mph.
I did have the 99 but it was too close to the 84 and I don’t use it any more.
Genius! Thank you for sharing this! Now that i'm foiling consistently, without crashing, any advice on fine-tuning? I find i'm about 2/3rds weight on my back foot and 1/3rd on my front foot when powered up, and the board feels very slightly "nose down" when on a reach. I have no trouble trimming the foil and board but i'm confused if i'm overthinking this or if there's some more tweaking I can do ;-) Thanks again for sharing!
What foil are you using?
If you move the foil forward an inch (3 cm) it will put more balance on to both feet.
As you go faster you need to put the nose down to decrease the lift from the foul. It’s normal
@@heliboy999fly On the Armstrong 2400 with a Naish Hover 125l board. I'll try the foil a little further forward. Cheers
Thank you! Please continue to post, I have infinity 76-84-99 , i want to ask you have do you decided choose beetwen 3 front wing ? Wind speed? how many knots could you explain little bit and also rear wing 42 and 48 what is different ?
Hi. I am working on a video at the moment to try and explain the correlation between foil size and rider weight along with speed and foil shape. Stay tuned
@@heliboy999fly Also explain connection mast to ABC position on fuselage! Thank you
Hello, I am wondering what is the heaviest person you know of who has learned to wing foil. I have a guy who is 280# who I taught to kitesurf about 15 years ago, now is interested in winging. He can kitesurf proficiently, one-wheel, skateboard, snowboard. Myself, I am just starting to learn winging and have pretty good kitefoil experience. I suggested to him a 150 liter board and a 2400 front foil wing and most likely a min 6m or 7m wing. Interested in your thoughts. Thanks for the tech talk on foil/board setup.
Hi.
I don’t think his weight will be an issue as long as he can stand on a board and work the wing.
Winging is very different to kiting I so far as you have to get into the standing position and then power up as opposed to coming straight up into the starting and sailing position with a kite.
The volume and length of the board will make a huge difference in the early days and I would suggest 150 litres is a minimum for him to learn.
Would be worth getting him out on a SUP for a couple of sessions with a wing to get the feel of driving the power down through his core and into the board.
A 6-7 m wing would be ideal (unless he is 5 foot tall.
I nice big foil wing 2400-2800 cm2 and a shorter mast really helps.
@@heliboy999fly thanks. I'll pass that along to him
So does the mast position on the Slingshot Switch Fuselage just move the center of lift farther forward (when you move it to the B position) instead of through the wing (A position) and you can just compensate for that with the mast plate location in the track, or is there something else to consider with those mast/fuselage settings? I'm asking because I have an older Slingshot set-up without a Switch fuselage and I can only mount the mast through the wing (I'm using a Infinity 86 wing and no footstraps)- not sure if this will be a hindrance for me or not...
Hi.
Yes correct. The centre of lift is moved forward and a sliding track can be used to fine tune the position in relation to the foot position on the board.
I used the C position early on to put the centre of lift as far forward as possible because I was using a longer board and I wanted less swing weight.
The A position can make the foil very sensitive to yaw. I tried it after many months using the B position and for me it was almost unusable. Found the set up very hard to control.
Great video thanks !
Can we summarize saying the back foot on top of the front wing ? And move the front foot until you find the balance.
Friends also told me to put the mast little bit forward the middle position to get faster lift… what do you think ?
I’m beginner and get few fly only …
Thanks
Hi Eric. Im so sorry I've just seen this and didn't reply before. Have you had any luck in figuring out out?
@@heliboy999fly not yet so if you want to answer to my question it is fine
@@ericl7010 Correct. Move your front foot back and inch then your back foot an inch. Repeat until the board starts to rise and then keep going in 1/2 inch distances. I wouldn't move the mast until you are really comfortable in flight. You will then feel the benefit.
This is very helpful but I'm not sure I understand why the mast needs to go all the way back. Let's say we have two identical boards 6' x 30" 120 liters, no foot straps. One has the mast all the way back with the rider perfectly balanced over the foil. The other has the mast all the way forward with the rider perfectly balanced over the foil. What will be the difference in performance? Your video doesn't mention any reason to move the mast forward. It only talks about moving it all the way back.
It’s just an easy reference point
Also having the mast at the back means there is a lot more board in front which damps the up and down motion slightly.
You are trying to get the board to lift slowly so you have time to react and get a feel.
Once you are in the ballpark and the board is lifting you can fine tune.
And in the video I did say about once you find the balance point you can then move the foil forward to the foot strap area or more into the floaty part of the board if you want to. You now know how far to move the foil corresponding to the distance you want to move your feet.
@@heliboy999fly Thanks so much for the quick reply. Having more board in front to dampen the motion makes perfect sense. I will try moving it back today and see how it goes.
@@heliboy999fly I tried it this morning and it was like night and day. I was instantly able to foil. Up until today with the mast in the middle position, my record distance on foil was about 100 feet. Today with the mast all the way back, I was foiling all over the place. I went over 1000 feet on one run. I've read tons of articles and watched dozens of videos on how to wing foil and none of them mention moving the mast all the way back. It should be rule number one for beginners! Thanks for helping me end the struggle.
@@awareness556 that’s great news. So glad it’s helped you get to the next stage. Many hours of flight time coming to you in the future.
Now you know where your feet are compared to the foil position you can now work out where to put the mast if you want to move your feet somewhere else for example to stand in foot straps etc.
it’s quite simple really but it’s very hard to figure it out with all the variables and also whilst you are trying to get foiling.
Please forward the link to this video to anyone you know who is starting out or having trouble.