The Flip Flap Railroad and Marshmallow Bearings: Citation Needed 7x04
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- In the second of two shows with guest Matt Parker, we're covering some hair-raising history, and also imagining some little ears flapping in the breeze.
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This includes one of the most British series of references we've ever had on this show. Subtitles are available. Good luck!
Keep up the great work!!!
Seeing this had been uploaded made my evening! Thanks :)
>3 weeks ago
What?
Thanks!
He uploaded this video 3 weeks ago, hidden, and then made it public today. Lotta RUclipsrs do this sorta stuff for scheduled videos.
Gary wasn't right when he said horses. It was mules. He was half right. That was a half-ass point you gave him, Tom.
I want to more than just like this comment.
Olan Kenny
oh yeah
(late i know)
@@nerakin6679 I sympathize with you
hosses, not horses.
@@Armadeus dafuq are you talking about
Tom Scott needs to make a shirt that says "the interesting thing about that is No.".
And "quite the opposite."
But with red text on a red background so it's hard to read.
Gary needs one that says “what you’ve done there, mate…”
I've started saying this line a lot in real life.
I'm beginning to think Matt Grey is absent because of his tax evasion to buy a hovercraft.
Greggory Tame Either that or he’s trying to find 7 friends to play football with.
*while on a hovercraft
nah, I think it's because the eels in that hovercraft were on the endangered list
Bad Request *11-4
HOVERCRAFT?!?!?!
Action Park was also known as "Traction Park" and "class action park". At least 6 people died there between 1980 and 1987 and the injuries were so numerous there was an unofficial extra free attraction called the "Action Park Express"... which was the extra ambulances the park had to buy for the local EMS to keep up with demand.
The thing is you have a sort of sliding scale. At one end, you have a place like Action Park and on the other a place like Disney.
You go to a Disney park, you have a reasonable assumption (unless you're on the Buzz Lightyear ride) that you are bassicly a passive observer to everything that's going on. You can't slip the person at the controls $5 to make your ride on Pirates of the Caribbean any slower or faster.
Action Park operated entirely on the concept of "you control the action." they had race cars that were not fixed to a track. these weren't just plain old go-karts, these were 9/10th scale open cockpit racers. the employees would take then out after hours on the main road and race them.
They had a tank ride where you'd fire tennis balls at each other. If one tank got stuck, the attendant had to go out to fix it and there was nothing stopping the other riders from using the poor SOB as target practice.
They had a naturally fed lake you could drive small speed boats on. It was full of snakes.
The wave pool was fresh water. Most people in the area learned to swim at places like Coney Island, the Rockaways, Jones Beach and the Jersey Shore... IE in salt water. So where they were expecting the added buoyancy they ended up tiring out quicker and is the reason three of the six deaths were drownings in the wave pool and the reason it was known as "The Grave Pool"
You also go to Disney and you know everything they build is engineered by the best and brightest in the industry to be both thrilling and yet completely safe. Action park would hire you if you were an English major who walked up to the owner with an idea scribbled on a napkin...
Lovely read and sounds oh so fun. . . . _I might wanna ride the tank rides(~.~)_
that sounds awesome! :D
This is a bit where somebody hits the button and mystery biscuits gets shouted
just want to point out action park still exists under another name, "mountain creek".
Wow. Action Park sounds like the real-life version of Wonder Wharf on Bob's Burgers! I can't believe that such a place was allowed to exist!
Another reason that loops are not circles, is that just before you enter, you are at 1g, but the moment you enter it, you have the full centripetal force. In the case of Flip Flap, you instantaneously go from 1g to 12g at the entrance and 12g to 1g at the exit, which is the real reason for injuries. With a constantly changing radius, the change in acceleration is gradual, thus putting a lot less jerk on the body.
Jerk! Yes! Thankyou ViHart for the physics education so I can understand this comment.
@@RainbowFishSaysHello vihart? Where?
Transition curves, there used to be books of data to layout different road corners for different velocities and banking. Now it is an app.
@NotYourGreatestPlan it isn't the fall that kills you but instead the sudden stop
@@RainbowFishSaysHello The great thing about jerk is that it is both a technical physics/engineering term, but also has a colloquial use that is actually very similar to the technical use.
I'm gonna start trying to work "the thing about X is it obeys the laws of physics" into casual conversation now.
Laws of physics are kinda hard on people. Many have had death penalty trying to break them. Usual laws gives you penalty when you break them, but not laws of physics.
The thing about casual conversation is it follows the laws of physics.
I'm surprised Tom didn't bring up Ai Pioppi, the theme park made of scrap metal where he got the scar under his eye
Fakjbf That place looks awesome!
He got a scar from there?
@@docktorwho4793 yes! Walked on something he wasn't supposed to walk on, and tripped or something
@@erilassila409 there's video of it, I think he was in a ride.
@@mirjanbouma I know, I just can't remember the details
Coming back to this after Tom has actually had a go on a roller coaster with manual braking. Lovely some still exist !
"Standing in for Matt Grey, standup mathematician, Matt Parker!"
What a beautiful sentence.
(on how the sentence was structured. Goodness me, I don't want Matt Grey to be replaced, I love them both!)
BiT Replace "Standing in for" with "And alongside" and you have the stuff dreams are made of.
+andymcl92 Yeah! Extend the team!
BiT I wondered if "stand up mathematician" meant he only does maths standing up
Wait, I'm not saying that I want Matt Grey to be replaced by Matt Parker, I meant that it's beautiful how the sentence was structured with "stand" and "Matt".
I don't know what's the word for it. alliteration?
Ah, I see. I'm not sure what you'd call it here. It's akin to a sequence in music, but that doesn't really help much...
Gary's excitement about mule car rides is everything
Vivienne Gucwa is
Garys excitment in most things is what i live for. The previous episodes "It was a judge for a bit" had me falling of my chair in laughter.
I didn't get that judge one :|
It's from the episode before this one. The Turra Coo one. Gary kept with giddish excitement to basically make Tom incapable of continuing because he laughed so hard somewhere at the end.
I think the next season of Citation Needed needs to have an extra Matt in each episode.
but a different extra matt in each episode
oooooooooooooooooooooo
With a welcome mat!
"Sandbags and Monkeys" sounds like a great indie-rock group
Zimmby That's EXACTLY what I said!
sounds like me and the Boys on a Saturday night out
Yay Accident Park! I had the honor of riding the Cannonball Loop for the brief period in 1985 that it was open. The loop was actually an enclosed pipe that was PADDED on the inside. The experience was like a forced somersault underwater while falling down a mountain. That's the best I can describe it. That goes on my Life Resume!! (I was not injured but did not rush to go on it a second time.)
Oh wow how did I have to dig this far to find this?
My dad used to work at that action park place. He told of the time when one of the water slides had a curve at just the right angle that if you had four people in the ring it would make the entire ring flip over. So he was made to jump onto the back of ring going past to counterbalance it. Ths, by the way, was all done in almost pitch blackness without any of the customers knowing what was going on.
thats going to be my quote of the day "always clear all before an important calc"
One funny thing, rollercoaster in portuguese is still called russian mountain.
ShadoWB4MV
It's the same in Spanish too.
And french too I believe.
There's mountain in the Swedish word too. A direct translation would be "mountain and valley track", which is one of the weirdest words in all of Swedish thinking about it.
Russian reporting in, we call them "American mountains", or, more precisely, "lil' American mountains".
smalllJ in Italian as well
14:25 Action Park was known for depriving people of their clothes. Weird NJ often publishes letters from people who found their garments removed or shoved in unpleasant places by the "Action Park colonic", another uncomfortable effect in that park. The rides were poorly engineered, and excessive exit speeds were only the least of their problems.
My parents never let me go because it had a reputation.
So Gary was right...their clothes *did* fall off
@@StrokeMahEgo just not on the waterslide
@@andrew66862 Details. Details.
in the subtitles at 12:00, it should say "ions" instead of "irons" because i think Chris was making the joke of Gary saying "Seal" and then he says "ions" to make the full word "Sea lions". this is technically a negative comment. love the show.
psst, you can suggest an edit if you want to...
how? i've never done such a thing and was hoping someone could do it for me instead of putting in any effort myself.
Just had a look, and apparently it is possible to LOCK translations for specific languages. I didn't know that.
But here is how to do it:
(You may have to turn on CC (Subtitles) for this to show up)
Click on the settings/option in the RUclips player.
In the "Subtitles/CC" click on "Add subtitles/CC"
A new window will open and all you have to do is to select a language.
thaaaaaaaanks
an anion comment, you mean
I'm going to be very disappointed if the next "Park Bench" isn't Matt and Tom slowly sliding down a hill. P.S. Chris pretending to be seductive is the most adorably awkward thing I've seen today.
The hell you mean "pretending"? :P
Waterslide loop-the-loop? Paging Mr Colin Furze!
In Spanish they are still called "Russian Mountains", "Montañas rusas". And I think in Portuguese, Italian and French too
guess we know where the next park bench is gonna take place!
SomeGuyWithAFace9 down a Russian mountain?
at the bottom of the hill?
Well, we know where it will *start.* Where it'll end up is anyone's guess.
(I think there is a metaphor in there somewhere...)
Theme Park?
I'm thinking this needs to happen. Really.
Last day of finals and a new citation needed? God sure does love me
Done with the binge yet? -Or did you actually study- (not even a question)
00:24 That guy in the front row is wearing a Parker Square shirt.
Now we need a park bench episode with matt parker, then they could call it the parker bench
I wouldn't trust a Parker bench... it would probably collapse under the weight of all three hosts.
Spencer Hansen
what about the parkest bench?
2 park 2 bench
Can we just constantly have Matt Parker on this show?
Parker Matt?
He matt all requirements. Honestly though, I'm all in favour of M&M on this show.
Yeah, no reason they coludn't have 4 players instead of just 3.
Parker Square? Almost..
He's quieter than the other Matt, but when he talks, there will be learning occurring! XD
I grew up in New Jersey, and have been to Action Park (we liked to call it Traction Park) several times. The looping water slide was never operational when I was there, but it was always there, taunting everyone with its sick loop-the-loop.
Side note, there is a scale model of the Flip Flap Railway in the lobby of the Boardwalk hotel at Walt Disney World.
I've always wondered why in Romance languages they're all called "Russian mountains" (obviously in the target language) and now I understand why! Interesting!
I now want to see an episode of “Two of these three people are lying” with guest stars of the mathematician and the wizard. Tom can be the third liar, and our normal cast will be the guessers
"I think you have chronically misunderstood what it means to be a mule my friend" gets me every time!
It's so awesome that we've got a Parker Matt Gray.
this deserves more love honestly
This is underrated
Came back after the 09.01.2023 video about an actual rollercoaster with a brakeman / brakewoman.
Gary on the brakes
By complete chance I had this queued after that video!
Lovely person actually marking the day
3 (almost 4) mystery biscuits in one round? whoa!
I think that might be a record
I think there was one called "Chris gets every question right" or something, where there were about 6.
Fun fact: 12 g's is more than the astronauts experienced on Apollo 16 on reentry
Having viewed all of these episodes many times, I just now realized that Gary's sound effect for spraying down someone with a hose is the same as his sound effect for waxing a penguin.
The old rollercoaster in the Linnanmäki amusement park in Helsinki was built in 1951, still has brake men at the end of the car controlling the speed. It's brilliant; made of wood and has a wonderful tar smell.
Three biscuits awarded in one episode this must be some sort of record
"It's got all sea in it"
Is anyone else seeing that black dot optical illusion on the window frames?
Andrew Webb I didn't. Now I do.
I did yeah, wonder if they did it on purpose
11:20 yes, can't unsee now, thanks Andrew! :-D
I had that for a few moments - probably less than some as my laughing often turns TD:CN into a podcast.
Also the weird digital snow on Tom's laptop
My life dream is now to open a theme park where all the rides take place on mules.
Mister Apple I want to have a cat called Harrison
Mister Apple situated in or near the Grand Canyon?
People did in fact die in Action Park - 6 in fact. Including the wavepool (3 in 5 years). Another death was caused by water based exposed live wiring - ouch.
When Gary said "Wagon Wheels?" I knew we were in for a treat 😂😂
2:41 May The Park Bench, Rest In Peace.
Wooden and Grounded, in death as in life.
2 Yorkshire men talking about sliding down hills and no one mentioned Last of the Summer Wine?
We still call Rollercoasters "Russian Mountains" (Montañas rusas) in Spanish to this day!
So that's why they are called "Russian Mountains" in Brazil to this day... Neat
The wave pool at Action park most definitely killed a few people. The stories around the park are simply incredible and I would recommend reading into it as it is a fascinating bit of modern history.
To be fair to Matt, the Flip Flap Railway was absolutely a disaster.
And to be fair to Chris, the Action Park (aka Class Action Park) wave pool literally did kill 2 or 3 people.
I find it curious how nobody pointed out the odd thing about the fact that the test dummies arrived dismembered but they apparently still opened it for use by humans...
I love this show so much, I would be extatic if you were to bring it back for even just one more run...
So would I! They brought back TOTPAL for a couple sessions recently, now it's this show's turn!
"A park bench" 😂😂😂
Its great when the comment that I was going to make was thoughtfully included in the video.
Music Is Life I imagine a Jackass like intro:
"I'm Tom Scott." "I'm Matt Grey and this is the Park Bench"
And then they slide down a hill on a bench.
Where's "A Parker Bench"?
Samantha Dansjin it on Parker Square, next to a sign explaining the Parker Square.
Samantha Dansjin A bench on a really steep hill, so you just fall off of it. Or maybe the bench falls down the hill.
At Calypso just outside of Ottawa a waterslide tube with a loopdeloop exists just like the one Tom described (or it did, don't know if it still does).
And I think one time while I was there someone *did* get caught at the top.
I'm not certain about that actually, I was quite young then but I do definitely know it scratched the backs and legs of everyone who rode it. Still looked like fun, but I was worried I might get caught so I didn't try it.
That fake window in the background does that grey dot optical illusion from some camera angles XD it’s so trippy
On this week's "No such thing as a fish" (the podcast from the "QI" elves) they discussed the exact same roller coaster. Which means that either some of the podcasters were on this recording (since it was recorded at least 3 weeks ago, and the podcast was recorded later) or just a funny coincidence. Or it might have been mentioned somewhere else and both picked it up. :-)
When Matt was explaining elliptical loop-de-loops, I was thinking: "I know what he's talking about! Why do I- Oh. Fish."
Manchester _really_ liked taxonomies that day.
Does 'Citation Needed' pick a topic from somewhere? I was under the impression they just hit 'random' on wikipedia until they get a good one.
Morgan Searle Either that, or they click "random" or "I'm feeling lucky" on Google.
knew some of this was sounding familiar
Matt's face at 15:26 is amazing.
in French they're still called ''montagnes russes''
13:08 I would have given Chris at least a point for that, 3 people drowned in that pool and the lifeguards reportedly had to save 30 per busy weekend, which is so insane that killing a million billion people is not that far off. The pool was also nicknamed the "Grave Pool"
Oh THAT's why they're called Montagnes Russes in French. Makes sense.
7:55 finecut marmalade so it don't get "jammed". Did Chris mean to make a joke? Some in the audience seem to get it. I have seen it several times and got it now. In the middle of the night when I should be sleeping but can't.
You can see Matt Parker coming up with the brakeman/hypeman joke at 4:00 and waiting until everyone else is done to say it.
14:24 To be fair to Gerry here, they also had a ride that did that.
But when management got word that on one of there rides guests would lose their swimming garment on a regular bases, they reacted swiftly.
By building an observation deck.
'Is it Flamingo land?' I laugh, because I've been! It's a real place, in Yorkshire of all places!
I laughed more at “Kirby Misperton“ than at Flamingo Land. They're both pink though.
Did you get the season pass?
Yorkshire!
_Yorkshire!!_
*_Yorkshire!!!_*
Ok, carry on.
@Tom Belated, I know, but when you said it didn't pull people's clothes off - actually, it did! Gary was right, that was a recorded thing that used to happen.
That wagon wheel as actual wheel digression is possibly my favourite thing right now
In Spanish, at least in Mexico, roller coasters are still called Russian mountains! (Montañas rusas)
This episode and the "Turra Coo and Four-Legged Juggling: Citation Needed 7x03" episode are by far the funniest ones to my taste. I still come back to watch these two ever so often these days. :-D
Parker’s dead-panned-ness is brilliant.
I want this show back!!!
The Festiniog Railway Company had a similar operation of gravity trains and horses in dandy wagons.
as a mechanic at an amusement park i lost it at marshmallow bearings, and fun fact one of the greases we use loooks like marmite
Well done, one of the best ones yet. I kinda missed Matt Gray's groaners, though.
The mystery biscuits is no longer a mystery
WAGON WHEELS
I’m such a huge theme park history nerd so I had the lovely experience of watching a trivia show and feeling BRILLIANT for knowing all the answers
As part of you Amazing Places videos you should head to Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen where they have on of the worlds oldest operating coasters called Rutschebanen which still has a brakeman :)
leighton0 actually the oldest operating is Leap the Dips in Altoona, Pennsylvania. The oldest continuously operating however is the Scenic Railway in Luna Park in Melbourne
Sensual Ethiopian Police Brigade Leap the Dips doesn’t count as it has apparently stopped operating.
That's why Scenic Railway in Melbourne is considered the "oldest continuously operating coaster"
@@HoldTheseLimes And Tom has now ridden the melbourne one.
Fun fact: Rollercoasters are, to this day, still called 'Russian mountains' in most languages, while in Russian they're known as 'American mountains'
here in Wisconsin dells, the looping waterslide in Noahs ark does all this. you have an escape hatch, you are weighed, and have to assume a specific position before riding...and it tears up your back. they really need to smooth that thing out..
Fun fact: Roller coasters are still called "Montañas Rusas" in Spanish, which translates to "Russian Mountains"
I know this is three years old but I need everyone to know that roller coaster in french is 'montagnes russe' which translates to russian mountains (3:21) now I get why they're called that
That moment when you actually get Matt Parkers entry joke. xD
Explain please? (gotta get to hw soon)
When using a calculator or programming with an interpreter, one can easily shoot themselves in the foot by having already defined functions and variables lurking in memory. Don't ask me how many times I've messed things up in Wolfram Mathematica or Python, because of that...
all this G-Force talk makes me want to link Tom's visit to the RAF centrifuge.
Idk if anybody has mentioned this,but when mountain creek rebranded itself back to action park, they were going to have a looping waterslide (with a circular loop), would require you to be tied into a capsule thing and go straight down into it. Did have a prototype made, but as far as I know, was never built for operation.
I am sure I commented years ago that my original thought was that the flip flap railway was a theatre setup where a prop train had the scenery moving behind giving the impression of movement. The scenery was painted on boards linked together that looped around. When being used would make a flip flap noise.
Action park is now under new ownership (and new branding for obvious reasons) but they're trying to make a new cannonball loop where it's built with the proper loop techniques and you go down in something to keep you safe.
8:41 THANK YOU Tom I was so confused!
Tom forgot to mention the part where riders who did go through the Action Park Cannonball Loop ended up coming out all shredded up and bruised. Bruised from how badly the thing was designed. Shredded from them going up against all the knocked out teeth prior victims had left behind and had gotten embedded into the wooden body of the slide.
I love in New Jersey and we call it Traction Park because that's where you will end up if you go there. It was also called Class Action Park.
I am eternally referring to them as ‘hosses’ from now on.
Branston for breakfast? Haven’t we done the condiments on toast thing twice before?
Holy hell, this is now one of my favorite shows on YT
Does a JJ Abrams tank shoot lens flares?
Tom: thanks for clarifying what Wagon Wheels are, I had been wondering for a while what the hell Chris and Gary were on about
“We have one more theme park to talk about”
Action park?
“Action park”
YES
I am a proud New Jersey resident
Matt is just so excited about that waterslide because it's such a Parker loop!
3:10 Loki "I Have Been Falling For Thirty Minutes!
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The introductory lines this episode:
Chris Joel: Hullo!
Gary Brannan: I-- (Crowd: Hurray!) Let me get the line out you (CENSORED)!
Matt Parker: Always clear all before an important calculation.
''I Was a Human Test Dummy on the World's Most Dangerous Amusement Park Ride'' great article on men's health.
headcanon that this is where the idea for a bookabout math(s) going wrong was born
I've heard of that last one before. The locals called it "Class Action Park" because of the high number of people that got hurt there. Apparently there was no way you'd visit that park and not come out with at least some bruises, cuts or scrapes.
can we please have the next park bench be sliding down a hill?
Everyone has phrases from something they've seen or heard or read that have inadvertantly become regular parts of their vocabulary, and for me one of the chief ones is Matt's caveat"-or both; they're not mutually exclusive" from this episode.