Very informative video, straight to the point. Would really like if Piranha rounds came down to a similar price range as Flechette, but knowing the previous history, the tendency would be for Flechette to go up in price to match, instead.
Kinda what I figured, Pirhana seems kinda of unnecessary given that LL3 for Jaeger is only level 22. I REALLY liked that you show what the actual impact of each shot looks like on the armor as well as the thorax on screen, would like to see that in future ammo/armor videos.
They have nerfed shotguns into the dirt these last two wipes. The only reason to run one now is a side arm sawed off on single shot (not the bugged double shot) with magnum buck to kill scavs and save your good bullets for your main.
Hi Gigabeef, I really enjoy your content and I have a little bit of feedback for you. I think that if you take some pauses while explaining complex or long topics, those concepts would come out more clear to the listener. Sometimes you speak too fast and without any pauses, so I have to go back a few seconds multiple times just to understand what you're trying to explain. I really think taking these things into account would really improve your content. Keep up the good work!
@@melonetankberry5211 I disagree and I get what OP says. Sometimes he goes so fast and without any breaks that he leads to confusing me. I love his content but it can be frustrating.
5.25mm buckshot is still my go-to for PMC kills because of the 1 shot headshot that a single pellet can achieve. Magnum has too much recoil to be spammed out of a Saiga-12. I used to use flechette until I found out that headshots are ridiculously easy to achieve with shotguns. Once the armor hitbox update comes out I think that flechette and piranha will have an interesting place in the game, being able to shred through most of the armors that give full coverage. For now, I will stay using the buckshot to chew legs and face. Very in depth video Mr. Beef, I liked the offline armor testing!
I need to run 5.25 again, mag buckshot isn't feeling that great right now. More pellets may be the best thing with them. The worst is hitting an arm and having their flinch push it up blocking the face for follow up shots... I swear this has cost me fights. Otherwise legs are always an option!
Would be interested in a comparison between magnum buck and piranha now seeing as the blunt damage is a factor. Magnum buck is more available and much cheaper.
6:05 Also seen here but not mentioned, the mp153 is still shooting doughnuts. To my knowledge the last time they "fixed" this issue, the fix only stuck for the mp133, whereas all other shotguns had doughnut effect.
They really just need to add damage and armor pen values into the base game. It's a little annoying that I need to almost constantly have the wiki pulled up to choose the right rounds.
100% that Theres no Real way to figure it out ingame but Combat is basicaly 50% or more based on that Yes i do not mind them wanting to learn as you go but its not possible to learn these things Naturaly
@@LittleDanny9899I mean the game is almost impossible to play without outside information. Try questing without the wiki. And the in game maps aren’t too good either. I think they should add the values in game but you’re going to need outside sources to learn stuff anyway.
@@LooperEpic True thought atleast stuff like quest etc tend to have attempts made (and i would say a major part do actualy even work without the wiki they would just take much longer) Meanwhile stuff like the maps are Very much learnable bye running around in them (thought extracts are a little iffy) But even with that in mind just because they cant manage to do one thing right would not mean they cant do something else
@@kakokapolei123 I mean, if you think about it, you'd have to go make a few new numbers for each and every ammo item in the game. I don't entirely know how their UI is done but it might be harder than you think. Plus there's probably russian spaghetti code
I love that if you tried to play this game without the wiki. It would take thousands of hours just to begin to understand armor and bullets and how they work. The fact that none of that information is available in game is hilarious. You need to know pen value, damage value, Armor class, material type, damage drop off, calculate penetration chance. How blacked limb damage is applied, how fragmentation actually works etc… Of all those things you have to know, in game you can only know what armor class an item is. Love the game, but goodness, it’s so opaque for seemingly no reason.
I stopped using piranha after dumping 4 into a guy's chest, dying to him, and seeing about 800 armor block damage in the raid stats. Haven't touched it since. (But it sells for about 2k/round on flea, so I still craft it for rubles.)
ive been waiting for you to make a comparison video since these new rounds have been introduced. I tried my hand with them early in the wipe and, to me, it felt like shooting Nerf darts at enemies, as i Didn't have very good results. I've been a shotgun fan for 6+ wipes now, and they just feel very weak in my experience. but with the "damage spill over" changes, that could explain it.
Piranha is so good this wipe, especially since you can just buy it now, maybe a bit too strong but I also have yet to see someone use it. Guess more guns are now viable even on a budget.
3/4 piranha shots in factory(shooting up the half flight stairs) drops a gigachat with L5 helmet with face and L6 body armor. Load up a saiga with 10 round mags up and its absolutely unfair. Sadly died when i was rushed and my partner wasn't watching while I looted.
I constantly use a combo, which i can afford to use because i have what i think is very good movement, so you have a shotty with 1 rip shell, and have a sawed off as secondary filled with flechettes or piranhas, so you can hit someones leg or arm, and finish is ass off with the double barrel. so far worked well for me with ppl with high tier armor, plus you can bind the weapon quick change key so you can always make a quick change to your secondary anytime you want (clearly exausting you)
Last wipe I was enjoying running mixed shotgun loads of mag buckshot and flechettes alternating in the longest tub mags. I would use flechettes as the reload after this first mag dump. I found this worked very well against PMC's I ran into on raids on factory or other close range maps since I could wreck armor and do flesh damage with a mag dump. Maybe overkill, but I really enjoyed it. I like you idea of using the quick weapon change as well though if you can survive long enough to make the weapon switch. Would also be good for using the right ammo against scavs.
@@Swarm509 those mixed shotgun loads are 100% confirmed to do well in everything thats alive in tarkov, i use it a lot too. You can pretty much kill everybody with 1 rip shell and 1 well aimed flechette at the thorax, those are the winning combos
Tested these the moment i could craft them, shot a player with 2 full reloads and he didn't even lose his legs..... keeping in mind with magnum or flechette its usually 2 bullets to leg someone
Idk I have never taken more than 3 shots to kill someone with flechette rounds, usually 2 shots. It is not often you fight someone with max armor in this game.
I had assumed that BSG would rebalance the point at which you can get Flechette, which would have made Piranha a compelling option for early-mid wipe shotguns. It is disappointing that BSG did not.
They will be once they add custom armor hitboxes and buckshot can potentially kill you with a neck shot or through the gaps at the sides of a Slick Plate Vest.
@@whyareusobad3528 Who cares about overpowered, underpowered... Just put it in the game and let them bicker amongst each other while the enthusiasts enjoy themselves.
soooo alot lot more expensive. but only 2 extra shots and only craftable. doesnt seem very useful, but in a 1v1 and both hit every shot in the same area sure it will win. or maybe not lol
Even flechette shouldn't be craft only, if m855a1, 7.62 BP, and m62 (which are all way way better) gonna be buyable from traders, why the heck would flechette be craft only?
Bro, pls, if you write down some mathematics don't put the dot in the middle like you would be multiplying, like wtf is X0 * 49? Never saw that before. I don't like people trying to explain stuff while making up their own notation and stuff. Either do it the way everyone learned it or fuck off, to be honest. Otherwise good video, but you ain't rewriting math here bro, there is rules how to write it down. So I assume that your "x" is your multiplier operator, and 0 * 49 means actually: "* 0.49" There is a reason why people don't take the x for multiplying in math, because it could be a variable too. And if you place your dots for seperating the number in the middle, it looks like you are multiplying, as I said before. Just, no... pls do it the right way so it's easier to follow your calculations. I don't like math either, but at least don't put your operators and punctuation wherever you want lol. And it's actually funny that you use the x as multiplier operator AND as variable, what could get people even more confused about what you are doing there, while you're only doing simple math lol.
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Yet again a great, informative, easy to digest video with a nice TLDR at the end.
Very informative video, straight to the point. Would really like if Piranha rounds came down to a similar price range as Flechette, but knowing the previous history, the tendency would be for Flechette to go up in price to match, instead.
Kinda what I figured, Pirhana seems kinda of unnecessary given that LL3 for Jaeger is only level 22. I REALLY liked that you show what the actual impact of each shot looks like on the armor as well as the thorax on screen, would like to see that in future ammo/armor videos.
well if you don't got EOD its a hassle to lvl jeager
“Only level 22” he says. Man I’m still under level 10.
@@jeremy5602 This is how I feel about people who are level 30 lol. What quests are you on/stuck on?
It's crazy how much effort has gone into this video! Thank you for your hard work ❤
Thanks for the video, i found these yesterday was already wondering what they would do. Have a nice day.
They have nerfed shotguns into the dirt these last two wipes. The only reason to run one now is a side arm sawed off on single shot (not the bugged double shot) with magnum buck to kill scavs and save your good bullets for your main.
Hi Gigabeef, I really enjoy your content and I have a little bit of feedback for you. I think that if you take some pauses while explaining complex or long topics, those concepts would come out more clear to the listener. Sometimes you speak too fast and without any pauses, so I have to go back a few seconds multiple times just to understand what you're trying to explain. I really think taking these things into account would really improve your content. Keep up the good work!
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he runs a tight script and i appreciate that. if you need it to be slower try .75. might make him sound a lil tipsy but it should solve your issue.
@@melonetankberry5211 I disagree and I get what OP says. Sometimes he goes so fast and without any breaks that he leads to confusing me. I love his content but it can be frustrating.
You guys need to stop eating so much lead
I agree, when he's listing multiple numbers in a row I sometimes have trouble following as well
5.25mm buckshot is still my go-to for PMC kills because of the 1 shot headshot that a single pellet can achieve. Magnum has too much recoil to be spammed out of a Saiga-12.
I used to use flechette until I found out that headshots are ridiculously easy to achieve with shotguns. Once the armor hitbox update comes out I think that flechette and piranha will have an interesting place in the game, being able to shred through most of the armors that give full coverage. For now, I will stay using the buckshot to chew legs and face.
Very in depth video Mr. Beef, I liked the offline armor testing!
I need to run 5.25 again, mag buckshot isn't feeling that great right now. More pellets may be the best thing with them. The worst is hitting an arm and having their flinch push it up blocking the face for follow up shots... I swear this has cost me fights. Otherwise legs are always an option!
Would be interested in a comparison between magnum buck and piranha now seeing as the blunt damage is a factor. Magnum buck is more available and much cheaper.
Is magnum the best buckshot?
Behind the scenes, killing GB in testing was fun!
murderer
Another banger from gigabeef!
6:05
Also seen here but not mentioned, the mp153 is still shooting doughnuts. To my knowledge the last time they "fixed" this issue, the fix only stuck for the mp133, whereas all other shotguns had doughnut effect.
What do you mean by doughnuts?
They're in rings rather than pellets appearing in random dispersion within the cone.
@@CallMeAsty no shots go in the middle of your aim, its all sprinkled in a circle around your aimpoint.
I stand by piranha any day. It’s the best rat round in existence.
They really just need to add damage and armor pen values into the base game. It's a little annoying that I need to almost constantly have the wiki pulled up to choose the right rounds.
100% that
Theres no Real way to figure it out ingame but Combat is basicaly 50% or more based on that
Yes i do not mind them wanting to learn as you go but its not possible to learn these things Naturaly
@@LittleDanny9899I mean the game is almost impossible to play without outside information. Try questing without the wiki. And the in game maps aren’t too good either. I think they should add the values in game but you’re going to need outside sources to learn stuff anyway.
@@LooperEpic True thought atleast stuff like quest etc tend to have attempts made (and i would say a major part do actualy even work without the wiki they would just take much longer)
Meanwhile stuff like the maps are Very much learnable bye running around in them (thought extracts are a little iffy)
But even with that in mind just because they cant manage to do one thing right would not mean they cant do something else
I do find it hilarious that they decided to release their own official spreadsheet of ammo values instead of just simply putting it in the game lmao
@@kakokapolei123 I mean, if you think about it, you'd have to go make a few new numbers for each and every ammo item in the game. I don't entirely know how their UI is done but it might be harder than you think. Plus there's probably russian spaghetti code
godamn. thank you so much for your awesome videos on stupendous subjects!
I love that if you tried to play this game without the wiki. It would take thousands of hours just to begin to understand armor and bullets and how they work.
The fact that none of that information is available in game is hilarious. You need to know pen value, damage value, Armor class, material type, damage drop off, calculate penetration chance. How blacked limb damage is applied, how fragmentation actually works etc…
Of all those things you have to know, in game you can only know what armor class an item is. Love the game, but goodness, it’s so opaque for seemingly no reason.
This is true. At this stage it's the way to play, it would almost be weird if bsg tried to help 😂
They should make the buy price for flechette way higher and the craft for piranha way cheaper to blance them
Shoulda just made them realistic and not overperform horrifically compared to their IRL attributes.
I stopped using piranha after dumping 4 into a guy's chest, dying to him, and seeing about 800 armor block damage in the raid stats. Haven't touched it since.
(But it sells for about 2k/round on flea, so I still craft it for rubles.)
Solution: Aim for legs. You now have a budget KS-23
it's a shell supposed to be shot to chest area, at that point he better use any kind of buckshot@@xzeuii
@@xzeuii That's what magnum buckshot is for.
@@jorgamund07 magnum has 115% extra recoil tho, piranha has 0%
@@TwiggehTV just pull down lol, 250 max potential vs 400. magnum is worth it
ive been waiting for you to make a comparison video since these new rounds have been introduced. I tried my hand with them early in the wipe and, to me, it felt like shooting Nerf darts at enemies, as i Didn't have very good results. I've been a shotgun fan for 6+ wipes now, and they just feel very weak in my experience. but with the "damage spill over" changes, that could explain it.
Piranha is so good this wipe, especially since you can just buy it now, maybe a bit too strong but I also have yet to see someone use it. Guess more guns are now viable even on a budget.
Now with Flechette costing 2k on flee and Piranha 231 roubles on Jaeger 2, Prianha has been great when completing setup!
3/4 piranha shots in factory(shooting up the half flight stairs) drops a gigachat with L5 helmet with face and L6 body armor. Load up a saiga with 10 round mags up and its absolutely unfair. Sadly died when i was rushed and my partner wasn't watching while I looted.
Piranha is available on Jaeger LVL 2 now.
I constantly use a combo, which i can afford to use because i have what i think is very good movement, so you have a shotty with 1 rip shell, and have a sawed off as secondary filled with flechettes or piranhas, so you can hit someones leg or arm, and finish is ass off with the double barrel. so far worked well for me with ppl with high tier armor, plus you can bind the weapon quick change key so you can always make a quick change to your secondary anytime you want (clearly exausting you)
Last wipe I was enjoying running mixed shotgun loads of mag buckshot and flechettes alternating in the longest tub mags. I would use flechettes as the reload after this first mag dump. I found this worked very well against PMC's I ran into on raids on factory or other close range maps since I could wreck armor and do flesh damage with a mag dump. Maybe overkill, but I really enjoyed it.
I like you idea of using the quick weapon change as well though if you can survive long enough to make the weapon switch. Would also be good for using the right ammo against scavs.
@@Swarm509 those mixed shotgun loads are 100% confirmed to do well in everything thats alive in tarkov, i use it a lot too. You can pretty much kill everybody with 1 rip shell and 1 well aimed flechette at the thorax, those are the winning combos
I had McDonalds for breakfast today.
I just keep crafting ap20, idk how good it is as a craft overall I just really love using ap 20 lol
AP-20 super 90 goated
i agree. very satisfying
Honestly at the end of the day the best stuff is the stuff you are comfortable using.
Tested these the moment i could craft them, shot a player with 2 full reloads and he didn't even lose his legs.....
keeping in mind with magnum or flechette its usually 2 bullets to leg someone
Been waiting for this. Piranha was great until I got flechette. But flechette is still my go to
Idk I have never taken more than 3 shots to kill someone with flechette rounds, usually 2 shots. It is not often you fight someone with max armor in this game.
Videos like these is why we sub
when i shoot it, it's garbage, when i get shot by it, it's instant death. sometimes it's just 3 heavy bleeds and couple blacked limbs
Been ghosting these shells all wipe thinking they where toz rounds xD
what about mixing the ammo ? could be good for magazine fed shotguns maybe ?
Thank you very much, I was really curious about this new round, but it seems to be quite dissapointing.
I had assumed that BSG would rebalance the point at which you can get Flechette, which would have made Piranha a compelling option for early-mid wipe shotguns. It is disappointing that BSG did not.
Why is flech high pen? irl they would only go through 3a armour maximum or lvl 3 if point blank
DO THIS VS MAGNUM BUCK PLEASE
piranha is just flechette Jr. i guess
BSG watched Kentucky ballistics I see
Maybe a hot take but I'd kinda like to see shotguns being way stronger but auto shotguns being very expensive / rare.
They will be once they add custom armor hitboxes and buckshot can potentially kill you with a neck shot or through the gaps at the sides of a Slick Plate Vest.
@@wcaseyaustin3450You sir knew the future. Armor is either bugged or useless now. All you need to hit is neck or armpit.
@@TheMrPandabeast yea coming back to this, piranha ammo is OP. Can pen helmets and hit neck hitboxes. It behaves like a LL3 ammo but it’s only LL2
I wish they would just give us an AA12 already...
@@whyareusobad3528 nah aa12 is full auto. We also need explosive and incendiary rounds. More bang for our buck!
@@Xyclonius also I mean like really slow rate of fire
Like competition semi auto pistols shoot faster
@@whyareusobad3528 I don't know and I don't really care that much. I like AA12s and I'd like to see them in the game simple as that really...
@@whyareusobad3528 Who cares about overpowered, underpowered... Just put it in the game and let them bicker amongst each other while the enthusiasts enjoy themselves.
They should add an AA-12
great video
I didn’t know it was new but I used it and it was ok sometimes and really bad other times
they should make piranha buyable from traders
Thank you for your job ! Enjoy your raids ;)
Keep going🥰
I dont understand the game design choices being made here, feel like with those stats Piranha should be lv2 traders and flechette lv3.
Welcome to Tarkov haha
The H in Piranha makes it so it's spelled like Piran-yah. it sounds like Piraña (spanish) or Piragna (italian).
Bro kinda looks like Linus tech tips 💀
How do you get 1000 per shot? Kite is piss easy to get I drop like 3 per raid because they arent worth carrying
Opportunity cost
@@Gigabeef i mean fair but you didnt count the cans either its such common loot that it needs to be mentioned but hey good vid anyway
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Pirahna this wipe is jaeger lvl 2 :D
i still pray magnum shells and they feel still awesome
Piranha = Pirânia no pirana
So basically, Piranha sucks. Thanks for the info.
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soooo alot lot more expensive. but only 2 extra shots and only craftable. doesnt seem very useful, but in a 1v1 and both hit every shot in the same area sure it will win. or maybe not lol
Swag money
totally
piranha has been in the game for a while are people seriously only knowing about it now??????
This video is 3 months old - but this wipe Piranha can be bought rather than Flechette so that's where the big difference lies
it's mainly because before no one played shotgun because of the recoil but since the update the recoil has decreased a lot.
they should make flechette craft only and piranha buyable
Even flechette shouldn't be craft only, if m855a1, 7.62 BP, and m62 (which are all way way better) gonna be buyable from traders, why the heck would flechette be craft only?
typical bsg math.
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Bro, pls, if you write down some mathematics don't put the dot in the middle like you would be multiplying, like wtf is X0 * 49? Never saw that before.
I don't like people trying to explain stuff while making up their own notation and stuff. Either do it the way everyone learned it or fuck off, to be honest.
Otherwise good video, but you ain't rewriting math here bro, there is rules how to write it down.
So I assume that your "x" is your multiplier operator, and 0 * 49 means actually: "* 0.49"
There is a reason why people don't take the x for multiplying in math, because it could be a variable too. And if you place your dots for seperating the number in the middle, it looks like you are multiplying, as I said before. Just, no... pls do it the right way so it's easier to follow your calculations.
I don't like math either, but at least don't put your operators and punctuation wherever you want lol.
And it's actually funny that you use the x as multiplier operator AND as variable, what could get people even more confused about what you are doing there, while you're only doing simple math lol.