Flechette vs Piranha: Which Is Better?

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024
  • There’s a new shotgun shell in Tarkov called Piranha that shares many similarities to the infamous Flechette. I’ve had a tonne of questions on which is better, so today let’s find out!
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  • @lukas452108
    @lukas452108 Год назад +73

    Yet again a great, informative, easy to digest video with a nice TLDR at the end.

  • @tommywu9361
    @tommywu9361 Год назад +19

    Very informative video, straight to the point. Would really like if Piranha rounds came down to a similar price range as Flechette, but knowing the previous history, the tendency would be for Flechette to go up in price to match, instead.

  • @apresmidi153
    @apresmidi153 Год назад +76

    Kinda what I figured, Pirhana seems kinda of unnecessary given that LL3 for Jaeger is only level 22. I REALLY liked that you show what the actual impact of each shot looks like on the armor as well as the thorax on screen, would like to see that in future ammo/armor videos.

    • @cedricschmidtke4287
      @cedricschmidtke4287 Год назад +17

      well if you don't got EOD its a hassle to lvl jeager

    • @jeremy5602
      @jeremy5602 Год назад +6

      “Only level 22” he says. Man I’m still under level 10.

    • @apresmidi153
      @apresmidi153 Год назад +1

      @@jeremy5602 This is how I feel about people who are level 30 lol. What quests are you on/stuck on?

  • @slipperysoap-bob
    @slipperysoap-bob Год назад +6

    It's crazy how much effort has gone into this video! Thank you for your hard work ❤

  • @slackerbeats
    @slackerbeats Год назад +3

    Thanks for the video, i found these yesterday was already wondering what they would do. Have a nice day.

  • @Kayzizzle
    @Kayzizzle Год назад +7

    They have nerfed shotguns into the dirt these last two wipes. The only reason to run one now is a side arm sawed off on single shot (not the bugged double shot) with magnum buck to kill scavs and save your good bullets for your main.

  • @JohnWick-od9he
    @JohnWick-od9he Год назад +21

    Hi Gigabeef, I really enjoy your content and I have a little bit of feedback for you. I think that if you take some pauses while explaining complex or long topics, those concepts would come out more clear to the listener. Sometimes you speak too fast and without any pauses, so I have to go back a few seconds multiple times just to understand what you're trying to explain. I really think taking these things into account would really improve your content. Keep up the good work!

    • @tomasdewilde9656
      @tomasdewilde9656 Год назад +3

      realest comment

    • @melonetankberry5211
      @melonetankberry5211 Год назад +3

      he runs a tight script and i appreciate that. if you need it to be slower try .75. might make him sound a lil tipsy but it should solve your issue.

    • @trashspam1699
      @trashspam1699 Год назад +6

      @@melonetankberry5211 I disagree and I get what OP says. Sometimes he goes so fast and without any breaks that he leads to confusing me. I love his content but it can be frustrating.

    • @anglexe555
      @anglexe555 Год назад

      You guys need to stop eating so much lead

    • @AgxntAqua
      @AgxntAqua Год назад

      I agree, when he's listing multiple numbers in a row I sometimes have trouble following as well

  • @marram101
    @marram101 Год назад +9

    Behind the scenes, killing GB in testing was fun!

  • @Tyler-pr8vd
    @Tyler-pr8vd Год назад +5

    Would be interested in a comparison between magnum buck and piranha now seeing as the blunt damage is a factor. Magnum buck is more available and much cheaper.

  • @fewny2691
    @fewny2691 Год назад +7

    5.25mm buckshot is still my go-to for PMC kills because of the 1 shot headshot that a single pellet can achieve. Magnum has too much recoil to be spammed out of a Saiga-12.
    I used to use flechette until I found out that headshots are ridiculously easy to achieve with shotguns. Once the armor hitbox update comes out I think that flechette and piranha will have an interesting place in the game, being able to shred through most of the armors that give full coverage. For now, I will stay using the buckshot to chew legs and face.
    Very in depth video Mr. Beef, I liked the offline armor testing!

    • @Swarm509
      @Swarm509 Год назад

      I need to run 5.25 again, mag buckshot isn't feeling that great right now. More pellets may be the best thing with them. The worst is hitting an arm and having their flinch push it up blocking the face for follow up shots... I swear this has cost me fights. Otherwise legs are always an option!

  • @MaryEllenKatz
    @MaryEllenKatz Год назад +3

    6:05
    Also seen here but not mentioned, the mp153 is still shooting doughnuts. To my knowledge the last time they "fixed" this issue, the fix only stuck for the mp133, whereas all other shotguns had doughnut effect.

    • @CallMeAsty
      @CallMeAsty Год назад +2

      What do you mean by doughnuts?

    • @MaryEllenKatz
      @MaryEllenKatz Год назад +2

      They're in rings rather than pellets appearing in random dispersion within the cone.

    • @TwiggehTV
      @TwiggehTV Год назад +2

      @@CallMeAsty no shots go in the middle of your aim, its all sprinkled in a circle around your aimpoint.

  • @trathanstargazer6421
    @trathanstargazer6421 Год назад +31

    They really just need to add damage and armor pen values into the base game. It's a little annoying that I need to almost constantly have the wiki pulled up to choose the right rounds.

    • @LittleDanny9899
      @LittleDanny9899 Год назад +2

      100% that
      Theres no Real way to figure it out ingame but Combat is basicaly 50% or more based on that
      Yes i do not mind them wanting to learn as you go but its not possible to learn these things Naturaly

    • @LooperEpic
      @LooperEpic Год назад +9

      @@LittleDanny9899I mean the game is almost impossible to play without outside information. Try questing without the wiki. And the in game maps aren’t too good either. I think they should add the values in game but you’re going to need outside sources to learn stuff anyway.

    • @LittleDanny9899
      @LittleDanny9899 Год назад

      @@LooperEpic True thought atleast stuff like quest etc tend to have attempts made (and i would say a major part do actualy even work without the wiki they would just take much longer)
      Meanwhile stuff like the maps are Very much learnable bye running around in them (thought extracts are a little iffy)
      But even with that in mind just because they cant manage to do one thing right would not mean they cant do something else

    • @kakokapolei123
      @kakokapolei123 Год назад

      I do find it hilarious that they decided to release their own official spreadsheet of ammo values instead of just simply putting it in the game lmao

    • @LooperEpic
      @LooperEpic Год назад

      @@kakokapolei123 I mean, if you think about it, you'd have to go make a few new numbers for each and every ammo item in the game. I don't entirely know how their UI is done but it might be harder than you think. Plus there's probably russian spaghetti code

  • @TBrownProductions
    @TBrownProductions Год назад +2

    Another banger from gigabeef!

  • @rexhilverstone7154
    @rexhilverstone7154 Год назад +2

    They should make the buy price for flechette way higher and the craft for piranha way cheaper to blance them

    • @fen3311
      @fen3311 10 месяцев назад

      Shoulda just made them realistic and not overperform horrifically compared to their IRL attributes.

  • @kamandtux
    @kamandtux Год назад +3

    I stand by piranha any day. It’s the best rat round in existence.

  • @jorgamund07
    @jorgamund07 Год назад +9

    I stopped using piranha after dumping 4 into a guy's chest, dying to him, and seeing about 800 armor block damage in the raid stats. Haven't touched it since.
    (But it sells for about 2k/round on flea, so I still craft it for rubles.)

    • @xzeuii
      @xzeuii Год назад

      Solution: Aim for legs. You now have a budget KS-23

    • @antonellostasi
      @antonellostasi Год назад

      it's a shell supposed to be shot to chest area, at that point he better use any kind of buckshot@@xzeuii

    • @jorgamund07
      @jorgamund07 Год назад +5

      @@xzeuii That's what magnum buckshot is for.

    • @TwiggehTV
      @TwiggehTV Год назад

      @@jorgamund07 magnum has 115% extra recoil tho, piranha has 0%

    • @zBepis
      @zBepis Год назад

      @@TwiggehTV just pull down lol, 250 max potential vs 400. magnum is worth it

  • @hungryhedgehog4201
    @hungryhedgehog4201 10 месяцев назад

    Piranha is so good this wipe, especially since you can just buy it now, maybe a bit too strong but I also have yet to see someone use it. Guess more guns are now viable even on a budget.

  • @trapoide26
    @trapoide26 Год назад +3

    I constantly use a combo, which i can afford to use because i have what i think is very good movement, so you have a shotty with 1 rip shell, and have a sawed off as secondary filled with flechettes or piranhas, so you can hit someones leg or arm, and finish is ass off with the double barrel. so far worked well for me with ppl with high tier armor, plus you can bind the weapon quick change key so you can always make a quick change to your secondary anytime you want (clearly exausting you)

    • @Swarm509
      @Swarm509 Год назад

      Last wipe I was enjoying running mixed shotgun loads of mag buckshot and flechettes alternating in the longest tub mags. I would use flechettes as the reload after this first mag dump. I found this worked very well against PMC's I ran into on raids on factory or other close range maps since I could wreck armor and do flesh damage with a mag dump. Maybe overkill, but I really enjoyed it.
      I like you idea of using the quick weapon change as well though if you can survive long enough to make the weapon switch. Would also be good for using the right ammo against scavs.

    • @trapoide26
      @trapoide26 Год назад

      @@Swarm509 those mixed shotgun loads are 100% confirmed to do well in everything thats alive in tarkov, i use it a lot too. You can pretty much kill everybody with 1 rip shell and 1 well aimed flechette at the thorax, those are the winning combos

  • @Longboh1
    @Longboh1 Год назад +1

    I love that if you tried to play this game without the wiki. It would take thousands of hours just to begin to understand armor and bullets and how they work.
    The fact that none of that information is available in game is hilarious. You need to know pen value, damage value, Armor class, material type, damage drop off, calculate penetration chance. How blacked limb damage is applied, how fragmentation actually works etc…
    Of all those things you have to know, in game you can only know what armor class an item is. Love the game, but goodness, it’s so opaque for seemingly no reason.

    • @Gigabeef
      @Gigabeef  Год назад

      This is true. At this stage it's the way to play, it would almost be weird if bsg tried to help 😂

  • @Santanner2011
    @Santanner2011 Год назад +8

    I just keep crafting ap20, idk how good it is as a craft overall I just really love using ap 20 lol

    • @halomastersT10
      @halomastersT10 Год назад +2

      AP-20 super 90 goated

    • @jordanfetch4191
      @jordanfetch4191 Год назад

      i agree. very satisfying

    • @TwiggehTV
      @TwiggehTV Год назад +3

      Honestly at the end of the day the best stuff is the stuff you are comfortable using.

  • @drunkpunk5393
    @drunkpunk5393 Год назад +1

    godamn. thank you so much for your awesome videos on stupendous subjects!

  • @TheTctoocold
    @TheTctoocold Год назад

    Tested these the moment i could craft them, shot a player with 2 full reloads and he didn't even lose his legs.....
    keeping in mind with magnum or flechette its usually 2 bullets to leg someone

  • @siege2928
    @siege2928 Год назад

    3/4 piranha shots in factory(shooting up the half flight stairs) drops a gigachat with L5 helmet with face and L6 body armor. Load up a saiga with 10 round mags up and its absolutely unfair. Sadly died when i was rushed and my partner wasn't watching while I looted.

  • @HOBOTw1tcH
    @HOBOTw1tcH Год назад

    Been waiting for this. Piranha was great until I got flechette. But flechette is still my go to

  • @Heimdall-hb5it
    @Heimdall-hb5it 10 месяцев назад

    Piranha is available on Jaeger LVL 2 now.

  • @jordanfetch4191
    @jordanfetch4191 Год назад +1

    ive been waiting for you to make a comparison video since these new rounds have been introduced. I tried my hand with them early in the wipe and, to me, it felt like shooting Nerf darts at enemies, as i Didn't have very good results. I've been a shotgun fan for 6+ wipes now, and they just feel very weak in my experience. but with the "damage spill over" changes, that could explain it.

  • @ОлегКорнійчук-е1х
    @ОлегКорнійчук-е1х Год назад +3

    Thank you very much, I was really curious about this new round, but it seems to be quite dissapointing.

    • @SPDX109
      @SPDX109 Год назад +1

      I had assumed that BSG would rebalance the point at which you can get Flechette, which would have made Piranha a compelling option for early-mid wipe shotguns. It is disappointing that BSG did not.

  • @QuantumFlux_22
    @QuantumFlux_22 Год назад

    Idk I have never taken more than 3 shots to kill someone with flechette rounds, usually 2 shots. It is not often you fight someone with max armor in this game.

  • @gabriellarsen4153
    @gabriellarsen4153 10 месяцев назад

    Now with Flechette costing 2k on flee and Piranha 231 roubles on Jaeger 2, Prianha has been great when completing setup!

  • @TwiggehTV
    @TwiggehTV Год назад +1

    Videos like these is why we sub

  • @mikepanda117
    @mikepanda117 11 месяцев назад

    Been ghosting these shells all wipe thinking they where toz rounds xD

  • @yarbles_
    @yarbles_ Год назад +2

    I had McDonalds for breakfast today.

  • @miglthel4961
    @miglthel4961 Год назад

    DO THIS VS MAGNUM BUCK PLEASE

  • @CopperNick1
    @CopperNick1 10 месяцев назад

    when i shoot it, it's garbage, when i get shot by it, it's instant death. sometimes it's just 3 heavy bleeds and couple blacked limbs

  • @Resistenza01370
    @Resistenza01370 Год назад +1

    Thank you for your job ! Enjoy your raids ;)

  • @janovmi2
    @janovmi2 Год назад

    what about mixing the ammo ? could be good for magazine fed shotguns maybe ?

  • @RNagy-ke4se
    @RNagy-ke4se Год назад

    BSG watched Kentucky ballistics I see

  • @GodEater742
    @GodEater742 Год назад

    great video

  • @theswagwagon484
    @theswagwagon484 Год назад

    I didn’t know it was new but I used it and it was ok sometimes and really bad other times

  • @Xyclonius
    @Xyclonius Год назад +1

    I wish they would just give us an AA12 already...

    • @Xyclonius
      @Xyclonius Год назад

      @@whyareusobad3528 nah aa12 is full auto. We also need explosive and incendiary rounds. More bang for our buck!

    • @whyareusobad3528
      @whyareusobad3528 Год назад

      @@Xyclonius also I mean like really slow rate of fire
      Like competition semi auto pistols shoot faster

    • @Xyclonius
      @Xyclonius Год назад

      @@whyareusobad3528 I don't know and I don't really care that much. I like AA12s and I'd like to see them in the game simple as that really...

    • @Xyclonius
      @Xyclonius Год назад

      @@whyareusobad3528 Who cares about overpowered, underpowered... Just put it in the game and let them bicker amongst each other while the enthusiasts enjoy themselves.

  • @mikedebakker5820
    @mikedebakker5820 Год назад +1

    Maybe a hot take but I'd kinda like to see shotguns being way stronger but auto shotguns being very expensive / rare.

    • @wcaseyaustin3450
      @wcaseyaustin3450 Год назад +1

      They will be once they add custom armor hitboxes and buckshot can potentially kill you with a neck shot or through the gaps at the sides of a Slick Plate Vest.

    • @TheMrPandabeast
      @TheMrPandabeast 10 месяцев назад

      @@wcaseyaustin3450You sir knew the future. Armor is either bugged or useless now. All you need to hit is neck or armpit.

    • @wcaseyaustin3450
      @wcaseyaustin3450 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheMrPandabeast yea coming back to this, piranha ammo is OP. Can pen helmets and hit neck hitboxes. It behaves like a LL3 ammo but it’s only LL2

  • @lgpa565
    @lgpa565 Год назад

    Why is flech high pen? irl they would only go through 3a armour maximum or lvl 3 if point blank

  • @gho5thitman388
    @gho5thitman388 Год назад

    They should add an AA-12

  • @cheese5545
    @cheese5545 Год назад

    piranha is just flechette Jr. i guess

  • @astropolski
    @astropolski Год назад +1

    I dont understand the game design choices being made here, feel like with those stats Piranha should be lv2 traders and flechette lv3.

    • @Gigabeef
      @Gigabeef  Год назад +6

      Welcome to Tarkov haha

  • @Burger-2.0-i
    @Burger-2.0-i Год назад

    Keep going🥰

  • @zackmans9999
    @zackmans9999 Год назад

    they should make piranha buyable from traders

  • @ohorta1534
    @ohorta1534 Год назад +1

    The H in Piranha makes it so it's spelled like Piran-yah. it sounds like Piraña (spanish) or Piragna (italian).

  • @ripable531
    @ripable531 Год назад

    Bro kinda looks like Linus tech tips 💀

  • @FatalMistake008
    @FatalMistake008 Год назад

    How do you get 1000 per shot? Kite is piss easy to get I drop like 3 per raid because they arent worth carrying

    • @Gigabeef
      @Gigabeef  Год назад

      Opportunity cost

    • @FatalMistake008
      @FatalMistake008 Год назад

      @@Gigabeef i mean fair but you didnt count the cans either its such common loot that it needs to be mentioned but hey good vid anyway

  • @부군코코
    @부군코코 8 месяцев назад

    피라냐탄을 열심히 사용하고 있습니다. 정말 좋은 탄인것같아요.

  • @pwnedbyGir
    @pwnedbyGir 9 месяцев назад

    Pirahna this wipe is jaeger lvl 2 :D

  • @manuzitz
    @manuzitz Год назад +1

    i still pray magnum shells and they feel still awesome

  • @MaxMustermann-vh9xn
    @MaxMustermann-vh9xn Год назад

    👍

  • @paulomoura5471
    @paulomoura5471 Год назад

    Piranha = Pirânia no pirana

  • @Angstadillio
    @Angstadillio Год назад

    So basically, Piranha sucks. Thanks for the info.

  • @shawnfoogle920
    @shawnfoogle920 Год назад

    soooo alot lot more expensive. but only 2 extra shots and only craftable. doesnt seem very useful, but in a 1v1 and both hit every shot in the same area sure it will win. or maybe not lol

  • @BevvyTV
    @BevvyTV 10 месяцев назад

    piranha has been in the game for a while are people seriously only knowing about it now??????

    • @Gigabeef
      @Gigabeef  10 месяцев назад +2

      This video is 3 months old - but this wipe Piranha can be bought rather than Flechette so that's where the big difference lies

    • @boucekine3862
      @boucekine3862 10 месяцев назад

      it's mainly because before no one played shotgun because of the recoil but since the update the recoil has decreased a lot.

  • @infected7154
    @infected7154 Год назад

    they should make flechette craft only and piranha buyable

    • @mikedebakker5820
      @mikedebakker5820 Год назад

      Even flechette shouldn't be craft only, if m855a1, 7.62 BP, and m62 (which are all way way better) gonna be buyable from traders, why the heck would flechette be craft only?

  • @jakobduke2949
    @jakobduke2949 Год назад

    Swag money

  • @TheChuckerChuck
    @TheChuckerChuck 10 месяцев назад

    typical bsg math.

  • @erhanuygur8215
    @erhanuygur8215 Год назад

    +

  • @IlsuemOkosch196
    @IlsuemOkosch196 Год назад

    Bro, pls, if you write down some mathematics don't put the dot in the middle like you would be multiplying, like wtf is X0 * 49? Never saw that before.
    I don't like people trying to explain stuff while making up their own notation and stuff. Either do it the way everyone learned it or fuck off, to be honest.
    Otherwise good video, but you ain't rewriting math here bro, there is rules how to write it down.
    So I assume that your "x" is your multiplier operator, and 0 * 49 means actually: "* 0.49"
    There is a reason why people don't take the x for multiplying in math, because it could be a variable too. And if you place your dots for seperating the number in the middle, it looks like you are multiplying, as I said before. Just, no... pls do it the right way so it's easier to follow your calculations.
    I don't like math either, but at least don't put your operators and punctuation wherever you want lol.
    And it's actually funny that you use the x as multiplier operator AND as variable, what could get people even more confused about what you are doing there, while you're only doing simple math lol.

  • @도후-l2x
    @도후-l2x Год назад