Watch the superior Sky one, or listen to the even better West Cork podcast which is far more balanced and factual compared to this biased Netflix hatchet job.
you def-ly are not alone!! The part about how police lost the track of an iron gate with blood on it makes the case even weirder!!! How in the world....an iron gate, it is not a button or a pair of shoes!!!
@@jackburton3259 Hi Adam Hardcourt, you still stalking and harassing me I see. Keep going Adam, it's your real name being associated with harassment. You are ADAM HARDCOURT
Yeah, I wish there was less ones one Netflix that aren't in English! Like have them but don't show them to me all over the place, I get all excited but I don't wanna read only subtitles for a show like this! It's okay for me to have some to read but when it's all sub or 95% it's a bummer
@@addidaswguy I totally understand that... I tend to love watching them whilst I'm cooking dinner so I can't always keep my eyes on the screen for subtitles.
This case was so weird, interesting and infuriating at the same time. If Ian Bailey isn't guilty, he's guilty in being an attention-seeking narcissist. Marie changed her story but no one asked her why she was out at 3am in the middle of nowhere? I honestly thought she was the murderer near the end of episode 3 or she was having a fling with Bailey. Sophie's husband was never mentioned after episode 2, so I guess he was just a douche. The police did a bad job at concealing the crime scene and they somehow lost the gate with blood on it? How the hell does that happen?
@Nuby cuts could be made by pruning trees etc., that’s gardening is like and I know it because I experience the same whilst gardening. Just because he’s weird, it doesn’t really mean he’s a killer. If every weird people could be killers, then 50% of men are. However, I found it also strange why he burnt a mattress. Why? She wasn’t killed on his bedroom. It could be just a coincidence or for some unrelated reason.
There is another 5 part documentary released only a month ago called murder at the cottage about the case. Marie Farrell was meeting a man and was married at the time thats why she was out there. Claims to have been blackmailed by Garda to say the man she saw was ian bailey. This is all well known and reported on but netflix left it out.
@Nuby you gotta watch that other documentary if youre interested in the case. The victims family pulled out of it as it supposedly shows Bailey in a sympathetic light.
@Nuby "Obviously" guilty, have you not watched Netflix crime documetaries before? This was edited to make it look 100% he did it, but there is so much more left out on purpose to not allow viewers have any other opinion. There is absolutely NO evidence that puts him at the scene, nothing!!! That's the issue here. They showed none of the footage of Christmas day, 2 days after the murder where he's about with the locals, wearing his big black coat ,his hands hanging freely out of his pockets, saying his dumb poetry happy out and hiding nothing. This to me is not a man who just committed a grisly murder. He was hiding nothing! He was wearing the coat that they said two days earlier he killed her in and burned. I did think it odd though that his partner said she didn't recall the injury on his head, but he did say it was supperficial so barely noticeable I'm assuming, and the police with their many lies decided to draw a huge gash on his head in their childish picture. Why in the name of god they didn't take photos is beyond me! Would be good if someone could take the xmas footage and somehow clear up his hands to see what they looked like. Probably impossible though!
I can't say I'm convinced Bailey did it, but it's hilarious how much of a hypocrite he is. Slanders her name in the papers with baseless accusations all for a headline but when the spotlight gets turned on him he has the audacity to go on about "facts"
The fact that in so many years there is no other suspect,not ever mention other name expect Bailey's,the multiple people that heard his confession,his marks,the fire,the girl that saw his black jacket in the bucket etc..I am not sure if this happens to someone in other country that they could walk so easily without any consecoinces..
@@linabella1218 Wondered how long it would take for someone to start ranting about how he must be guilty despite how little relevance it has to the point I actually made...
He's a narcissistic and unlikeable person but that doesn't pin him as the assailant.. it just makes him a convenient scapegoat, if anything. I don't think he was 'slandering' her name intentionally with the red rags at the time.. I think he was relishing the attention alongside the quick few bucks he probably made from it all. He was an aimless and fruitless journalist (in his own mind) at that point in his life - so this story was almost like a 'big break' to him. Although I believe he's not guilty - he's somehow managed to make the whole tragedy about *himself*, even if he's been cast in an extremely unfavourable light. So naturally, he would make baseless and ambiguous accusations for no other reason but to garner attention/notoriety/money. Then of course he would focus on 'facts' should he be legally implicated as a suspect. He's a gobshite but I think he's innocent (unforch)
After watching this and reading up online. I think Marie Farrell knows more than she is letting on. The whole saw him on the bridge at 3am sounds odd when you consider she's lied about the person she was meeting.
@@mayagame think about it. I mean she was reluctant at first to come forward because she knew the affair would be made public, but her conscious git the better of her and she tried to anonymously call police
@Nuby I really liked the Witcher they did very good with that series. I have also read the books and played the games though. I liked the first season of witcher better than first season of game of thrones. That’s giving high praise. Netflix makes much better series then movies that’s for sure. Russian doll and dead to me are great too. I just don’t like how they cancel good shows like glow and dark crystal. If you haven’t seen mind hunter do it’s one of the best Netflix series ever. Haunting of hill house was fantastic too.
I’m surprised they haven’t put out more true crime docs though to be honest. They are so successful that I was expecting a flood of them to hit Netflix. ESP For as much content as Netflix is able to put out there in general. Though corona has effected so many productions/
While watching this, I found it somehow comical that Ian Bailey, whenever he's drunk or emotionally unstable, was actually telling random people in his community of how he killed Sophie. Like in every criminal documentary, criminals always have this urge to tell people that they committed the crime by dropping clues and hints everywhere. It's a crazy taunt that probably gives them the thrill of being caught and the quick misstep is almost a cry to let out the secret. Maybe it Ian goes into a different state of mind in certain moments, like bipolar personality. But that part of the series where he tells people was certainly the craziest. Poor kid in the car had to hear a clear description of how Ian murdered Sophie. Scarred for life!
The DPP report states that they were taken out of context. The kid did not tell anybody about it until after a Guard visited his school and Ian Bailey has said what he actually claims to have said to the kid. He was not drunk at that time, he was driving. It is notable that the kid isn't the one saying it, it is his MOTHER relating the story about what her kid said, not him. Another one of the "confessions" was not reported to Gardai by the person until 11 MONTHS later. Can you be 100% certain of what exactly was said to you by somebody and the context of it when you were drinking with them 11 months ago? Context is everything.
@@zed351 You are from those people who always defend criminals and like bribed lawyers use every legal and illegal opportunity or gap in law in order to free murderers.
Just finished watching it. Far far superior to Jim Sheridan’s programme. What a wonderful family Sophie has, her poor parents, her marvellous aunt, and what a son. It’s heartbreaking to see their pain still so raw all these years later. I feel after watching this three parter there is little room for doubt. I do feel Bailey is guilty.
A lot of omissions . What if the former British soldier living in the area bribed by the police with cannabis and money by the police? No mention whatsoever.
bailey defo smacked her and it got out of hand, his wife was taking the blows and refusing to press charges, Sophie would have told him she was going to tell the police
I cannot get this story out of my head This narcissistic fantasist believes his dull doggerel is poetry.Into this tiny community comes a well-connected and beautiful French writer. He connects with her and tells her he is a poet.He craves attention and blows up their meeting in his imagination.He knows about her poem of the dead lamb,He sees her in the Spar supermarket and lusts after her.He believes himself to be attractive and is continually trying compensation tactics to persuade himself against evidence that he is an impressive human being.He is very tall and strong.He lures her out of the house possibly with a tale of an abandoned lamb or other vulnerable animal caught in the briars.He thinks she is going to be attracted to him and her imperfect grasp of a foreign language might lead her to find merit in his immature scribbling .She is cold,frightened and turns back to the hose.He is strong enough to wield a stone slab and smash it down on her head.He only lives a mile away as the crow flies or a tall man strides….He tries to divert attention by suggesting a French influence..or a local man anything to divert attention.The murderer always returns to the scene of his crime,it is said.He takes advantage of the fact that he scratches out a living on the meagre stories to report .The big break-a big story and an excuse to go back to the scene.This is not sufficient-he wants to go round the back of the house-has he dropped something-anything that might place him at the scene.He decides to deliver two hastily snatched items to the cottage behind her cottage.Unasked,and so near Christmas ? This is scarcely a faisceau des preuves a single shock of wheat,this is the major part of the harvest ! In addition ,given his size he has beaten his partner so savagely she needs reconstructive surgery ? Is this so common in West Cork,in a tiny community ? How many more people have been so savagely beaten a dozen ? a hundred ? If it is commonplace Schulz must be awash. How many vicious over-sized strong inadequate roam the countryside on near freezing nights at Christmas time ? This lovely woman has sought out a stark contrast to the glitter of Paris.Bailey claims she had a taste for amorous adventures and wild parties so she leaves the city of lights because the scene is so much wilder in WEST CORK??????? We’re it not so heart-wrenching lay tragic it would be risible
read the dpp assessment of the circumstantial evidence. its about a 45 minute read. its fascinating and basically points out that most of the circumstantial evidence pointing towards bailey is either twisted by or entirely made up by the gardai. i was sure bailey did it until i read the report
@UCzb2JyB8fROT8mnmGySFxXw I have not heard of that point but I would need to know more about the size and reputation of the neighbour.Such disputes are common enough and can blow out of proportion but to bludgeon someone to death to that degree,at Christmas time-over a gate ??? Surely the person wanting it closed would close it and the person wanting it open would open it,leaving it open .We used to live in an isolated area and have a garden gate which one of the cows used to open,fairly regularly to help herself to some plants or other -we would not have dreamt of hitting the cow ! Let alone a human being .This neighbour is now deceased so it is convenient to mention it now but it was not thought to be brought up at the time ? Is it also a local custom to burn clothing-winter clothing at Christmas time instead. Of giving it to the priest to pass on to the needy ?
@@dakotajones674 It does not take an Einstein to calculate that the number of people in a community of that size who have noticeable scratches; choosing to burn winer clothing: making at best distasteful and inappropriate remarks; physically capable of wielding large stones;lying about knowing someone even whilst putting themselves forward to investigate a case where personal knowledge of the victim would have given him an edge and known to be given to to outbursts of violent temper and appalling cruelty who make threatening gestures at witnesses are somewhat limited !
@@pjom4191 I have now read the Dpp assessment and agree that some questions are answered but not all No-one kills turkeys in a winter coat-it is stated that he was wearing shorts so why burn a winter coat Also the dismissal of her French friends assertion that she had spoken about Bailey does not convince me .I am now reading all the reports from French newspapers about this affair .People cannot remember exact dates I have always been afraid that my terrible memory would make me a bad witness but the proximity to Christmas and the appalling nature would fix the mind on such an occasion .This is a litigious man, he would definitely be known as not an easy victim .I believe police prefer easy victims .
I feel the show didn't show us enough info about her autopsy. They allegedly checked for DNA and there was none found but I kept wondering if they looked at the right places. This Ian Bailey had scratch marks so did they check the wires and the plants in the area? Did they check Sophie's fingernails for DNA? So many question and I feel the Irish police hadn't done enough.
The only alien DNA was found on her boot and since they have not arrested Bailey in 25 years of further DNA development, it isn't his. There is zero evidence pointing to Bailey despite the scene being awash with blood. They think the killer went into the house after and not even the house has any evidence that Bailey was in it.
Ya it is, when it came out I got the month free audible trial so myself and my mom listen to him. My mom from near that area originally and I have family liviing in the area.
Reasons I believe Ian Bailey did it:: His history of violence towards women, his violence when drinking, visciously beating his wife so she had to go to HOSPITAL 6 months before the murder, him leaving his house the night of the murder and having no alibi, the poems he wrote after the murder saying how he murdered her, the scratches on his hands noticed by many people including gardaí, being spotted by locals following Sophie in the town a few days before her murder, his confessions towards many neighbours where he was crying, being spotted by Marie Farell close to the house that night, that he contacted Sophie in France a few weeks before even though he said he didn't know her at all, the black coat soaked in a bucket in the bathroom on Christmas Day, the bonfire in the back of his studio house on the 26th December where clothes and boots were burned, him knowing about the murder hours before the rest of the community or before any statement was released. Him knowing exactly what house it was before anyone else knew and driving there in the morning with Jules, where he only stayed at the scene for about 10 minutes and asked no questions then, even tho he was a journalist. His in-depth knowledge of the case and its details from the beginning, such as knowing it it wasn't sexually motivated. And much more. Unfortunately there was just no physical evidence recovered, such as DNA and thats what the Irish system requires for a person to be charged.
Everything you said, and the fact that whole list of issues would not be attributed to someone who didn’t do it. One item on that list could be classed as coincidence but everything else, no way.
I agree with you on all points. Additionally, I would like to mention a little theory of my own. I believe that Ian's motive for killing her was to come to spotlight (given the gradious narcissistic that he is!) by writing about the case as a journalist. His intention was to garner fame through his reports on the case and he needed a victim for that. So basically, the murder was a preplanned drama he decided to create for his own benefits.
@@shreyasidebnath1134 not a bad theory, but why would people claim that he had confessed to her murder later on? It would’ve had bust his masterpiece before it was even started
If we assume for a moment that Bailey is innocent then the only reasonable explanation for me is that there was a party ne t door at Alfie's on the Sunday. The topic of the French lady all by herself came up. Someone there might have gotten the spare key assuming Alfie had one. Somebody entered her house, then she fled the house down the driveway - not to Alfie's house. Why did he not feature at all in the documentary? Who was at his home Sunday night?
It isn't "good" if by good you mean unbiased and presenting all the evidence. It is a hatchet job on Ian Bailey, you will miss plenty of key information that supports his innocence by only watching this rubbish. I had to Google the actual facts after watching it. Start with the DPP report that they never bothered presenting in this poor documentary.
@@zed351 I think we can all see that you Jack are on a one-man crusade to defend Ian Bailey, who spends most of his time digging his own hole deeper. His recent radio interview is quite pathetic; he still refuses to take responsibility for being a degenerate wife beater. Bailey clearly adores negative attention and teasing everyone with the did he/didn’t he while also beating the absolute he!! Out of his own wife yet pretending that violence against women is something good boy Ian Bailey would never do (ugh). Please - he’s no choir boy.
Ian bailey is innocent. What documentary were you watching? A 1st grade drawing was used to mock up how the hands of the murderer would look like lol. I'm sure bailey wasn't the only one that had "scratches" in the middle of nowhere in Ireland.
@@topsykretts2264 - He confessed to three different people and admits this but says he was "being sarcastic". None of those people he confessed to when drunk thought he was being sarcastic. He had a history of getting drunk and beating women. He changed his story about being in bed all night i.e. his alibi and admitted getting up an hour after going to bed and leaving the house to go to the office house 200 yards away to "write" for several hours. His own partner says those scatches were on his head and arms the next morning but not when he went to bed the night before. His own partner said he had stopped the car and suggested visiting someone behind Sophie's home on the night of the murder as he could see their light was on. He burned clothing outside his back door, I mean right outside his back door, not in a fire pit type area the day after the murder. He knew how she was killed and that she wasn't sexually assaulted before the police released the information according to more than one witness. He used his position as a journalist to try and fabricate false evidence implicating the husband and a "hitman." He fits the profile in that he is a narcissist with a history of violence towards women when drunk as he was on the night she was killed. These are just the circumstantial pieces of evidence that jump to mind. What documentary were YOU watching?
@@AnyoneCanSee definitely did it. It's just like Jeremy Bamber. Unfortunately DNA back then was awful. When he said he did it, it's his way of unleashing negative emotions as he went too far with his violent act. It's where you don't mean too but have such a rage, you can't stop..and everything flashes..shit..he went off in a panic .went home. Put his coat in bucket..burned them all at some point and evidence shows there were coats buttons and boats left over. There's literally no evidence leaning towards anybody else. Definitely did it. He had crush on her..she probably said no..she ran out...he chased her.. kills her. Or they had went for a walk as knew each other.. he tried it on...no..no..she says..kills.. how does she end up that far down the drive at the gate.. who else knew she lived there.. other than ex's..whome had Albi. It all points towards Bailey.
Of course Bailey did it. I think he tried to get the super well connected Sophie to help him make money with some poetry collaboration and she rejected him. In a blind booze filled rage he smacked her around the chops like he did to his wife, only, unlike his submissive wife, Sophie was going to press charges so he "stopped" her, and then seeing her dead, is filled with further rage of a victim blamer, smashed her head to mush muttering "you made me do it, you made me do it". The French certainly did have a Bouquet of Evidence against Bailey. He lied about knowing her. He had scratches. He was a drunk, detached from reality, desperate, sexist, misogynist. Had no alibi. He is both dangerous and pathetic. The fact that he still lives next door to where the murder happened means he has no where else to go and no money.
Most of the villages had no alibis that night either. I wonder how many wife beaters were living in that village at the time of the murder? I’m sure with their love of alcohol, he wasn’t the only one
@Rusty You are sure he did it? So not the Frenchman that Marie Farrell is now saying she saw following Sophie outside her shop? Are you *SURE* it was Ian Bailey and not this new Frenchman Gardai are interested in talking to?
Wish theyd put release dates in description and which countries itll be available in... cuz ya know, that way wed know when we could watch. I know it says it at the very end, or it says the date, not what countries itll be available in but it would be so much easier to also put it in description
Also: was that the only piece of physical evidence they had? What kind of magical leprechaun doesn't leave a single fingerprint, hair, drop of blood (especially in those briars), or fiber in a violent crime scene? Did the garda even try with forensics? I understand it was the 90s, but c'mon!
Hardly an oversight on the part of the authorities. Clearly, some evidence pointed in a very different direction to what they wanted. No way is the " missing " evidence a coincidence. It points to Bailey as innocent.
This really made me furious, probably even more than the witness changing versions or the extradiction issue... what a mess, frustrating story, terribly sorry for her son and family.
@@conlaiarla Exactly what I think! I bet there was finger prints but of an unknown individual, which was a problem, because they needed it to be bailey.
I just finished watching this on Netflix ! I am angry that they never caught anyone ! The build up and knowing there’s no suspect ? It was obviously Ian Bailey he lied that he never met her ? And then the family the aunt admits that she spoke to her about a writer that she was going to meet? Ian confessing to multiple people that he killed her ! Ian Bailey never confessed it but he killed her !
In a population of 700 there must be so many people strong enough to wield lumps of concrete He lies so badly, too and is caught on film lying He must feel he is so clever
This is an amazing and sensitively created documentary, beautifully filmed. I have one question for Jim Sheridan: In your film it says that when Sophie Toscan du Plantier's parents hear on the TV news that a body of a woman has been found in West Cork, they call Daniel, Sophie's husband wondering if it could be Sophie. In the film Daniel is reported to have said that it could not be Sophie because he had sopken to her on the phone only one hour before. Is this an editing mistake or just a mistake? When Sophie's body was found at 10 am she had been dead for a while and by the time it was first reported on the news certainly she had been dead for much more than an hour which means Daniel could not have spoken to her one hour before he spoke to Sophie's worried parents. Did Daniel lie or is there an editing anomaly or just a misunderstood comment?
They did, but it was left out of this series. Listen to the podcast and watch the sky version because it's talked about. She was out with a man who "wasn't" her husband lol. She denies she was having an affair but that's cleary a lie!
@@stefjames95 His claim is that he went to the studio to write a computer article as he had a deadline for the next day. That article was printed, so it is a reasonable unverifiable alibi. The question is, how many other people can't account for there whereabouts that night? Marie Farrell and her lover in the car for a start! What about the speeding blue Fiesta at 7.30am that was never investigated? Unfortunately the Gardai were too incompetent to investigate others as they "had their man".
It is alleged that there was a land dispute between Sophie and her neighbours, the couple who found her body. The land dispute was never proved to be true.
How did her neighbours not hear anything that night? Seems strange. Also if she was being chased by her murderer, why didn't she run towards their house for help instead of the isolated laneway. The other neighbours were miles away.
Spoiler alert: It’s interesting to see that in the end everything’s about the law system that each country has. If the crime had been in France or another EU country Bailey would have been prosecuted and sentenced. One thing is when a fact becomes a mere coincidence, other thing is when this amount of facts indicates that someone is the murderer. That bouquet of evidence, which is mentioned in the documentary, seems pretty reasonable to condemn Bailey
" If the crime had been in France or another EU country Bailey would have been prosecuted and sentenced. " No he wouldn't. The French system is based on Napoleonic justice where hearsay is accepted. Common Law does not accept village gossip as evidence and rightly so. People should not be jailed for murder when there is no evidence, merely rumours and innuendo. What you describe is a witch-hunt. The fact that I have to point this out to you is bizarre.
@@zed351 I respect your opinion, but really doesn’t seem like a witch-hunt for me. Burning things outside your house and having many witness statements against you is lack of evidence? Wether Bailey has to be condemned or not, it’s not up to me to judge. Also, I’m not criticizing common law and saying that civil law is better. i’m just pointing out that the law system in each country makes more difference in terms of making justice than we think
I don't know about this case, but from what I've seen most true crime docs don't need to be a "series". A feature length film is often enough to cover everything. Instead of stretching it into a series.
I personally LOVE deep dive series... you can really connect with all the people involved as well as the victim whose story deserves to be told and I just prefer a series where I can really get into it.
@@charlieclemens5798 there is no main suspect. There was one who was arrested but not charged and high court has confirmed his innocence and refused extradition to france and its kangaroo courts
There is no compulsion to watch it all The more information the better The trauma that family has gone through makes many people desperate to know the truth I am planning my hopes on the fact that it was so near Christmas and a lot of us suddenly have a memory that resolves a problem-happily not as tragic as this-but every little detail has the possibility of helping -even if only to rule out a suspect
Ian Bailey: "A French assassin did it. All the clues point to France." Also Ian Bailey: "A local man did it. The Guards know who he is." Bailey makes those two claims in two different newspapers - on the exact same day: Saturday 19th June 2021. You literally could not make this up. As he says himself, "I get to play the journalists like puppets on strings." And the journalists are happy to be played, it seems. Bailey's "French hitman" claim: Irish Daily Star (19/06/21) Bailey's "Local man cover-up" claim: Irish Daily Mail (19/06/21)
You got it all wrong mate! A clue is one thing, and evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt is another! You’re unreasonable to bank on that though of hypothesis! do you’re research before you the rest of the majority of the ignorant-Cheers
I cant believe they never arrested thr man who killed that poor young lady. It was so obvious who did it.....it all pointed to Ian Bailey..... This documentary was so well done. Cork is beautiful and mysterious.
Ian Bailey was arrested, but never charged. He was not charged because the DPP said there was no evidence, just basically village gossip! The documentary is obviously biased, the maker was interviewed and his bias was obvious. It left out most of which points to Bailey not being the murderer and barely mentions the Gardai bribing witnesses to testify, one of which was offered money and DRUGS for a statement, this guy actually told Bailey about it! There is zero evidence that Bailey is the murderer. Instead, listen to the West Cork podcast and watch the Sky documentary by Jim Sheridan, you are being misled here.
@@travisb1o0m19 You lot are typical Cancel Culture people. @Barbara Knowles made a perfectly reasonable comment based on her limited knowledge of the case, so I responded suggesting other sources. Your type are not interest in facts. Accusing somebody who has bothered to Google this case as being Bailey is beyond pathetic.
Until the last scene in the last episode I felt bailey is the one who did it , but the visuals of him being sitting on a street bench where he is writing his poems like a complete loner melt me down nd thought he might be wrongly convicted nd he is bearing it through out this 25 yrs which reflects half of his life he lived like a sus. This is just my emotional opinion. One more point I wanted to add is that back yard fire in their studio is from end of Nov or start of Dec which is happened to be before the Sophie's murder. It was said by both Jules nd bailey , I don't know how their neighbors saw fire in backyard on 26th dec. Forensic said that they have found buttons which might have been of coat ,piece of shoes nd all but the other girl who gave testimony that she stayed at Bailey's house after the murder that she saw a coat is soaked in a bucket of water, so did he used two of his coats for commiting a murder? And how can she justify that washing a coat in mid winter is a such a big crime that he is a murderer by doing so 🤯 If he is the one who committed murder then why Jules always stayed beside him through out these yrs without leaving him as a abusive husband nd a murderer. She knew that he might have not done that crime . I heard that recently they both are separated still she believes he is innocent. Am really hoping that there should be a closure for this case soon
The coat could not have been burnt anyway. A Guard saw Bailey wearing it weeks after the murder, another Guard took it as evidence when his house was searched. I was amazed that the senor detective claimed that the coat was missing when it was actually taken by the Gardai and cut for samples, it is documented by the Gardai as being taken by them. He is either incompetent or a liar, I reckon liar as he wanted you to believe the coat was burnt. Jules stated that the coat was never returned.
@@zed351 woah , definitely he is a lier, if the coat was already taken as evidence then how can the gardai or forensic expert misguide us in doc saying it was burnt in the backyard along with mattress. I still have a neutral feeling abt Bailey but I do believe "Innocent until proven guilty".
@@sharmi8669 The witness who claimed seeing a fire did so 4 months after the murder (5 months after Jules said the fire was). It is likely that the witness simply got the date wrong.
@@zed351 ppl who are claiming that he confessed nd all these witnesses , I don't know why they r trying very hard to frame him by adding much more to the facts like saying Bailey went on to say that I did it ,I did it....If he confessed in such a strong manner even when he is drunk then why will he say that he is innocent for all these yrs nd live a traumatic life . When Bailey tried to sue media for defaming him why that case became a hearing for him , as they all came together to give their testimony. Did anyone compelled or forced them to do so? All these ppl doesn't like him as a person as he is weirdo so they believed he is the murderer with half cooked stories nd confessions by him Through out there is a biased version stating Bailey is the one who did the murder. I don't know if am thinking straight or else being biased towards him
Jfc, people are stupid. Say it with me now: Circumstantial evidence isn’t and should never be the thing to get someone behind bars. That’s the whole reason some people get thrown in jail who are later proven innocent by actual factual evidence. No one is saying he couldn’t have done it. No one is saying he’s definitely innocent, because we don’t know, but to say he’s guilty based on only circumstantial evidence is simply stupid. There was DNA evidence, the Garda just mysteriously “lost” it. There’s now a break in the case where it was found there actually was someone with her that night that wasn’t him btw. There’s another documentary that focusses more on the blatant mishandling of the case by Gardaí and the fact that they lost crucial evidence which you should maybe watch to get another perspective. It’s called murder at the cottage.
@Loading Opinions He did that…but his admissions only were spoken as “one-liners”, in times he was drinking, or, perhaps transitioning between various states of mind found in cases of things like Bipolar/NPD/Borderline disorders. But no mention of psych evals, psych holds, or such were offered in the show. If…IF….the guy is such a person, he will (has) lead everyone on a merry chase, unable to convict, exactly because of the behaviors that commonly happen within those diagnoses. IF officials wanted to catch-him-out, they’d need to plant some expert observer into his daily life to watch for it, to document it. There is wide variety of symptoms, making it tough to diagnose…they’d have to keep that up for a minimum of 6 months or longer, to make adequate diagnosis, IF that is at play here-& the clues for it, are laced all through the documentary. If the observer misses a day or few during that time, the person observed has chance to refresh their facade, to keep-up appearances…”showtiming”.
@@Chimonger1 You don't need to do anything like that, if you have evidence. There is ZERO evidence that Bailey is the murderer, but there may have been evidence that he wasn't, that has been "lost" to save Gardai embarrassment.
At least he made numerous contradicting and incriminating statements about his relationship to Sophie du Plantier and his whereabouts that particular night.
@@zed351 He said he never met nor knew Sophie; her friend Agnes and a French colleague of hers say she told them about Bailey and how he approached her for a project together. It's in the docu, watch it.
@@mermaidmoon2254 also Alfie Lyons (Alfie and his wife lived in the large house next to Sophie’s) stated that he had introduced Bailey to Sophie *well before* her murder in December of 1996. Bailey has always denied this and also uses deliberately evasive language - “we were never properly introduced”
This series made my blood run both hot and cold. The way the investigation was handled was so sad and infuriating but at the same time she looks so mich like one of my dearest friends. She and her family deserved so much better
Whether or not Bailey is a killer he is still a human trash. What kind of man beats up the girlfriend brutally multiple time while pretty much depending on her for providing a roof over his head. But Jules is also very weak she should have left him long time ago instead of subject herself and her poor daughter to the traumatizing life with him. The latest news is she finally broke up with him this year and now he is worried that he will be homeless. For someone who is a narcissist and so grandiose, he is certainly very unaccomplished
but no man came forward to say that sophie was into him or something, and why did sophie called bunch of friends desperately asking them to come with her , as if someone was stalking her and she was scared, i think bailey was stalking her she was a foreigner alone lady he saw that she leaves alone he wanted to get attraction and he went on and killed her he was also a violent man he also admitted it ffs that she killed her even being the only suspect
Marie changed her mind after what, ten years? Then she walked out of court while testifying. Unreliable at best. Besides at 3:30 AM it must've been dimly lit at best.
I think there's a possibility that there was no man on the bridge (why was Marie farrell on the bridge?) that night and marie farrell wasn't having an affair and was making up mystery French men following Sophie and mystery men on the bridge and only figuring out that she recognised "him" as Ian Bailey after Ian Bailey became a suspect and the talk of the area, then she kept changing all sorts of versions and reasons etc. She's unbelievably scetchy but was taken at face value as a lovely lady trying to help but afraid her husband would find out she was with another man, the guards were looking for a big bad boogey monster and she was star witness to blame a very obvious strange odd weirdo as the culprit. I think she made up shit to put blame away from herself. I don't know if she was jealous of Sophie or thought she was after her husband or in a relationship with her or what the hell kind of reason but I cant understand that even now why the guards aren't looking into the possibility of her as an actual suspect. And as for 2 wine glasses lol there's often more than one glass or cup on my sink just from me, it doesn't mean anyone else was there it just means you didn't clean them away. The whole investigation was a disaster and looking at the documentary made me cringe at how uneducated and backward some of the thinking was at the time.
With limited population, they could’ve tried house to house search and DNA testings as part of the investigations; instead of based only on so called witnesses’ testimonies. For sure the female shop owner lied all the time, thus the rest could do the same too. As long as there’s no concrete evidence that ties him directly to murder, he’s still innocent in the eye of the law. I wonder if those 2 fortune tellers could predict her death accurately, could also name her killer?
@@brianmcginley2743 "Random and jacknburton are ian bailey.... who has been convicted of this murder" Except I am alive and Bailey is dead. Proving that you are just a nasty, vindictive, troll Brian McGinley.
Why are you assuming guilt? If innocent it is YOU that will be judged, you may have just broken one of the big ones: “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”
I listened to the Podcast regarding this case and have my doubts regarding the suspect it seems its too convenient to be him and think its more likely to be someone from her past in France maybe. BTW I’m in Ireland and have known about this case for over 20 years it comes up on the News here every so often.
@J Island I mean that instead of trying to make any real effort they just picked this guy. If you had listened to the podcast you would understand. I don’t think even the Gardai here believe its him its the French authorities who keep pushing it to get him to trial in France. It makes more sense for the murderer to be someone from her past. This guy is in no way even connected to her. As far as I know.
For what it's worth I think Bailey is innocent. He's certainly brash, egotistical and attention seeking, but the flaws in his character don't make him a murderer. I agree with the guy in the Netflix doc who says he's been convicted on his personality. I feel its much more likely to have been a French hitman, someone connected to or indeed Marie Farrell, or even a total stranger sailing past the lighthouse who saw the lights on in the cottage and came ashore. As outlandish as these theories seem, they are no more far fetched than the case against Bailey. A proven culprit of this crime is the Garda, whose bungled investigation and intimidation tactics have probably robbed Sophie's family of the chance to ever get real justice.
Both Irish and English law are based on the same Common Law. There was not enough evidence to charge him, so he certainly would not be extradited from England to France.
@@pauldkb1700 No. The English would at most extradite him to Ireland as the murder was committed under Irish jurisdiction. The English High Court would not allow an extradition to another country other than Ireland at their request. They would reject a French extradition request.
Bailey admitted killing her. He destroyed clothing and mattress evidence in a fire outside his house the day after she was murdered, local women were so scared of him they fled the area, he was seen to have a cut on his forehead and parallel scratches on his hands and arms the day after she was murdered, he had a far fetched story about getting the scratches climbing a tree to cut off the top as a Christmas tree and about getting the cut struggling with a turkey he was killing for Christmas dinner (it was already past Christmas when the marks were seen), he admitted to police about getting up and leaving his house during the night it happened, he had a history of beating up his wife - once so bad she almost lost an eye (violence against women), he lied to the police (a lot), he told people very precise details about the case before they were even released by the police to anybody, he longed for a crime to boost his journalism career and was known for being boastful and seeking norority, he showed up as the scene to report on it but didn't even question the police or investigators at that scene, he tried to mislead the Irish media by reporting a story he made up about a fictional French hitman, he got drunk and told local people at a pub shortly after the murder that he had killed her saying 'I did it, I did it I went too far', he picked up a local school kid giving him a drive home (while he was drunk) and told him in tears that he bashed her f'ing brains in with a rock, he was witnessed on a bridge near the scene shortly before it happened and he stalked, harassed and intimidated that witness over a long period of time even making cut throat gestures to her until she retracted her claims undermining herself, he was known by locals to walk naked at night howling at the moon and Sophie reported seeing someone naked following her at the three castles lake area hours before she was murdered. He fled the country. He is well spoken but boasted about how well educated he was compared to the Irish police who investigated him. He lied about how the police treated him. If you're English try to consider that your nationality might be affecting your opinion of him. At least try to keep an open mind. He lives amongst you in England. The local police made mistakes. There hadn't been a murder in remote West Cork in over a century so it was never going to be a case of CSI West Cork. If he did it then Sophie may not be his last victim.
What about the Frenchman known to Sophie that Marie Farrell now claims was the man seen outside her shop following Sophie? The one that Gardai now have a sudden interest in talking to?
So I just finished this documentary and for some reason I can’t get this case out of my head. There is something very earie about it. At first it came across as the locals pointing to Ian Bailey because he was a weirdo, an outsider and a maybe not so likeable person. It really came across as him being the scapegoat. For example the ‘howling at the moon stories’ lmao. But even the Marie Farrell story about being sure she saw him at 3 am when it’s pitch black outside, it’s almost impossible to know for sure it was Bailey. That’s just the truth and also doesn’t prove he’s the murderer. However what did make me start doubting was that he abused his partner (her face/head) and so severely she needed hospital stay. This gave me goosebumps and not the good kind. Also what about all the claims about him threatening the locals? Yet they all still live there together now like nothing happened? I’m so confused, it’s all just so strange!! I also thought, there has not been any other suspect, but it wouldn’t be the first time bad police work/circumstances make it so that they focus on one person alone. Then towards the end the family and friends of Sophie said they recalled her saying ‘a poet’ was coming over? Why did it take them 15 + years to remember that? I really hope this case will be solved, but I think the police (Garda) made so many mistakes the killer probably will never be caught. I also don’t understand the motive, there was no talk about that either. Sophie was not sexually assaulted, there was nothing stolen or even any evidence the killer had been IN the house. She just walked outside and was beaten to death. Bailey does also seem to have had a drinking problem , and agression, but is that a reason to randomly murder a woman you do not even know?
@@zed351 I just started the podcast!! After watching the documentary on Netflix I felt like there had to be more that was left out. You seem to be very convinced of Bailey’s innocence. Who do you think did it or do you have any theories?
@@BellaJory1 Innocent? I believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty. As for suspects I only know what I have read. There is the French man that Marie Farrell is now saying was with Sophie in town. Also the German, Karl Heinz Wolney is an interesting one, he lived just a mile from Sophie. Closer than Bailey. He is alleged to have been a violent drunk and wife-beater who had no alibi for that night. Wolney committed suicide two months later, his friend saying that he said that he'd done a "terrible thing".
@@zed351 Thank you for your response. I’m listening to the podcast. At the episode about Martin Graham now. I don’t think the podcast casts Ian in a better light than the Netflix documentary though. In episode 6 it’s basically implied he could’ve done it in a desperate attempt to revive his career. I agree it’s much more in depth though. Netflix left a lot of things out about the Garda etc. What I don’t understand is why Marie Farell changed her statement so many times. Unless she too was given money by the Garda. And later on her conscience started weighing on her.
@@BellaJory1 Marie Farrell later said she was coerced into stating it was Bailey she saw. Her initial statements listed the height of the man she saw in town as being much shorter and that height got taller and taller in subsequent statements after she was told it was Bailey that was prime suspect. She said that she was given help to get a council house and her husband had a driving conviction quashed. Are you aware that she is now saying that it was a French man known to Sophie's ex-husband that she saw in town?
just how can bailey got away?he admit it himself..while drunk...to a kid...and he seen acting crazy by screaming to the moon..the scars..the coat..the burning scene..abusive..lying about he knowing sophie by some witnesses
The "confessions" were taken of context, read the DPP report on them. Witnesses state that the scars were there before the murder. The Gardai took the coat, they cut samples from it. The claim that Bailey knew Sophie was made YEARS later. There is no evidence linking Bailey to the murder. In fact the only DNA found is male and not his!
@@zed351 the confession regarded as sarcasm and dpp buys that.Literally this has many witnesses.i dont know where you got the coat bit but as i know his daughter's friend saw it in the bathroom when she takes shower before.and there are button coat in the burning place behind the studio.And if the witnesses give their witness years later it is invalid?and the witnesses are not one.and do they know each other?and bailey know about the murder before anyone else when the body found at 2 he seems to know it earlier.and didnt his wife or witnesses said that there are no scar before?he seems as crazy and if he accidentally hit his wife when the wife drunk why their daughter looking for someone else for help
@@adamhardcourt9428 Ian Bailey would post using his real name. everybody except you knows that he would. Now answer the question: Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty under Common Law?
It doesn't work out like that . Those 700 people are split into locals and new people also there is no town in this district , people are spread out across dozens of square miles. Its very common to not know exactly who is who or where they live.
@@conlaiarla Yes but he delivered stuff to the house you could see why parents lived in a similar place outside the village of Lacey and I only went on holiday Everybody knew me within a large radius and we knew everyone all round the long road round the valley Every shop cafe and pub too I once forgot to pay at a restaurant in Douglas because you paid before hand in summer and at the end in winter When I realised O ran and ran to get back to pay and when I apologised theysaid’You should have paid next time you have missed your bus to Lacey » and I was not exotic beautiful or married to a famous film director The Irish are so friendly ! Anyway she had mentioned a man who was a poet which cannot apply to many people He is a self styled poet and English was not her native language
@@margot9887 absolutely ! I hate the way that is ignored,by the way,are you an English or a french speaker ? Perhaps you have the good luck to live in France ?
@@margot9887 Those people in France said YEARS after the investigation that they suddenly "remembered" him talking to Sophie. How convenient for them to suddenly "remember" these details YEARS later. You know, long after his character was fullly known in the media and that he was an amateur poet. Funny that eh!
All I know is this, I live in the countryside, houses few and far between.... Sophie ran the opposite way from her neighbours house, Alfie's. If I was in my nightgown and harrassed at my door, I would run to my nearest neighbours house for help. I'll say it again.... Sophie did not seek help from her nearest neighbour Alfie.
The Garda have been completely outgunned by a maniplulative narcissistic personality here, it is a crying shame for the deceased, the family and the people of the West Cork region.
Perhaps Marie was meeting Bailey at the bridge for a rendezvous? Bailey was the man she had the affair with. At the bridge she saw him covered with blood, drunk and raving mad. He told her what happened, it terrified her and she later called the police from the public phone to implicate him. I have not heard of Sophie's tragic murder before the Netflix documentary. From the first moment I saw Bailey I knew he was the murderer. RIP Sophie.
If that was the case she would have said something since. It is far more likely that she was with a married bloke and was attempting to protect his identity. It is my belief that the Gardai pressured her as they wanted Bailey in the frame. There is no forensic evidence that supports the allegation that Bailey murdered Sophie, indeed there are at least two other men who should have been persons of interest. Karl Heinz Wolney and a Frenchman who also lived in that area. Both committed suicide shortly after, Karl Heinz Wolney lived 1 mile from Sophie and said to a friend that he had "done a terrible thing". The Frenchman had met with Sophie.
Really? So where is the forensic evidence match? Oh wait, none of that found at the scene matches Ian Bailey! It'll will be interesting when the Gardai interview the Frenchman seen with Sophie just before her death though, the one you obviously don't know about because you are determined to point fingers.
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The most ominous thing about this was that they say usually she was a very private person and saw the cottage as an escape, but before her death she had asked several close people to return with her but nobody was available. Also I am awestruck by what she might have seen that terrified her as her aunt described?! and then according to Irish folklore, if it possibly was the lady in white, basically an omen of death, an Irish person would never have allowed her to return back alone to her cottage that evening...however she didn't relate what she had seen to any Irish person afterward, instead visited with some friends who were not and returned alone to the cottage for the last time...very chilling.
I thought it was odd that she had asked people to accompany her, but if she was afraid of going then why go in the first place? I don't buy the going to fix the heating thing, her housekeeper would have arranged for a plumber. That was no reason for Sophie to fly to Ireland for just a couple of days and then back on Christmas Eve, it sounds like an excuse she made. I reckon she was meeting somebody to spend a couple of days with them, maybe an ex- lover and it turned nasty.
You may wish to read the latest news on a new lead the Gardai are following on a Frenchman seen with Sophie. Stop jumping to conclusions based on ZERO evidence.
@@zed351, but he’s a bit of an eccentric and nobody in the town liked him. That must mean he was the culprit, since everyone knows small town gossip always focuses on the facts and doesn’t at all focus on emotions! /s
My buddy, Fred Bloggs & I (Jack Burton) have been giving everyone a hard time (commenting hundreds of times on multiple videos, having no life). We have decided to finally admit we are idiots who were wrong to fall in love with Ian Bailey. We also have came to terms that he is guilty of murdering Sophie. Sorry everyone.
@Kalissa H I was the one who outed adam hardcourt, he is using a few sock puppet accounts to dis people who don't agree with him. You do know adam hardcourt is garda, right?
No murders ever happened in that area yet Bailey moves to Ireland, lived close by, had reportedly contacted Sophie (her French friend confirmed this to collaborate on his 'poetry') though said he didn't know her, had no alibi, confessed killing her to numerous people, had a history of violence against his ex partner Jules, knew key facts about the actual killing calling it a 'murder' before the police and other journalistic sources did (as evidenced by the timeline on the day of the murder itself), lights a huge fire outside the 'studio' with evidence of clothes being burned and on and on it goes..... these are facts. Lack of evidence doesn't mean innocence and in turn can't prove guilt. I don't think it will ever be solved. As for that Farrell woman, words fail me. RIP Sophie.
Circumstantial evidence does not mean guilt either. Indeed the "facts" you mention were dismissed by the Irish prosecutors who have seen all the evidence. If you read the 2001 DPP report you'd understand why, it is damning of these so called "facts".
he didn't actually "confess", he went around in a drunken malding fashion being sassy "oh yeah, it was me, i did it, herp derp", we british are crazy about our sarcasm
His coat was taken by the Gardai and samples cut from it. They even documented taking the coat and taking the samples. It's yet another falsehood given by the senior detective on the show who said they had never found the coat. Had he been wearing it, it would be soaked in blood of course. So what are we to believe, that he took his coat off before caving her head in and then put it back on again?
@@zed351 I think he went for a walk and on the way back he stop at Sophie hse.. The time of death never mention it could possibly happen at 5am 6am. And Barret hat, kangol hat whatever it is.. U don't have to be a French to own one.
@@shanabaiza A walk past Sophie's house would be over 3 miles. The man wearing the beret is allegedly a French man known to Sophie's ex-husband identified from a picture.
Great series Netflix. As murder was unheard of in Cork and the investigation was time sensitive, especially outdoors, why didnt the Dublin police use an army helicopter instead of enduring 6 hours of Irish Christmas traffic?! The Investigator in a white suit and gloves, smoking a cigarette lead me to believe that the police investigation was less than ideal…the missing gate confirmed it! It would have been really helpful if the series provided evidence that a murder had actually taken place. Throughout the series this was never explained. It was concerning when Sophie’s cousin said that Sophie had a very gothic side’ and a morbid interest in bodily fluids. She seemed to be obsessed with the graphic detail of animal/animal death. To me, it was so odd for her husband Daniel to say that he felt so guilty because he ‘wasn’t there when she died’! Surely, if he had been there, she wouldn’t have died! Right from the beginning I wondered what Marie Farrell was doing on Kilfada Bridge at 0300!!! Was Ian Bailey her mystery man?! Why did Arianna Boarina take so long to share the significant details she had?! You couldn’t wash a large wool coat without shrinking it and you certainly wouldn’t do that if you intended to burn it! I don’t think that there was any validity in the French court assuming that Marie Farrell’s first testimony was true, when she is known to have lied under oath in the Dublin court. It seems ironic that both Ireland and France are in the EU, but don’t recognise each other’s laws! Is Ian Bailey still British and, if so, how would that effect any extradition proceedings?! Has Brexit put a spanner in the wheel of justice? So many unanswered questions and so much pain and heartache for all who knew and loved this young woman.
I believe that one of the reasons that the Irish did not extradite Bailey is due to them not having a reciprocal arrangement with France. The French are hypocrites, they refuse to extradite their citizens yet expect other countries to honour French requests. Of course since the crime was not committed under French jurisdiction, it is nothing to do with them anyway.
@@zed351 it's all over bailey,,,you're screwed. it's time to repent, I'd guess you'll rather stay in Ireland than serve your time in a french prison.. Bye bye from the people of west cork.
Wait let me get this. This lady is divorcing a man 20 years her senior and will get half his estate. This man is a well known producer and has connections and also has an insurance policy on his wife. And he won’t fly to Ireland to identify his wife. And she was killed with bruises showing it was personal. In my day, law enforcement wants to follow the money. And the money is all about the husband. I wonder how much and who he paid off to look at this newspaper reporter as the fall guy.
I cannot believe the accusations made against the husband and citing his unwillingness to go to West Cork …the poor man had bought her the house. - not interfering and opting for the safer house she had considered-he obviously felt some guilt,albeit he was in no way whatsoever to blame . Bailey’s attack by suggesting he had arranged it for financial reasons is one of the many reasons people find his character so abhorrent
He litteraly died of sorrow few years later. He's so well-known in France, as if we wouldn't know. The theories connecting him to the crime are outrageous.
@@margot9887 Pardon J’ai fait une erreur avec mon iPad et ce message était coupé Incroyable que ce monstre aurait pu accusé ce gentil gentilhomme avec son visage tellement sincère rien que pour faire semblant qu’il était innocent Quand on voit le mari et le fils de Sophie ensemble aux obsèques ça se voit comment il a souffert . Il devrait,le pauvre avoir du regretté l’achat de cette maison qui aurait du être un lieu d’apaisement un lieu spirituel Peu surprenant que les gens ont la chaire de poule en pensant de sa caractère . Il ne montre pas le moindre petit peu d’humanité et de compassion Elle a un visage tellement beau,ouvert spirituel et mon cœur saigne pour sa famille et ses amis . Merci pour avoir confirmé l’impression que j’avais sur son mari .
@@Ralph_Smith0724 Nonsense. He is a journalist and sniffing around. Why would there be incriminating evidence at the NEIGHBOURS house? Think before you comment!
@@nataljamilani491 I didn't like the fact he didn't get extradited but the story kept my interest. It wasn't their best by any means but I watched the whole thing. Usually if it's not happening in their country people lose some interest. Not me though I'm right in there loo
@@Slateyard77 Some of favorite ones are The Trials of Gabriel Fernández, Killer inside the mind of Aaron Hernandez, the devil next door, my octopus teacher, high score, american murder, conversations with a killer Ted Bundy, captive, dope, I am a killer seasons were great, Unsolved mysteries the new Netflix ones. There is a really good documentary called talhotblonde it’s not on Netflix but I’m sure you can find it online somewhere, Long shot. There are more I’m sure but those are some of my favorite ones and they are all really good. Don’t f with cats also.
IF he’s guilty…& there are too many witnesses with clues that point at him to ignore…then, heck’s a closet bipolar/NPD/Borderline Personality disorder person who has been showtiming as “normal” all his life…because the behaviors shown in the docu., also pointed at that kind of behavior. Those diagnoses could explain why he seems normal, but has violent episodes, & why he might have said those one-liner admissions to several people, as-if clandestinely confiding in them, or bragging to them…those kinds of giveaway statements can happen when someone is drunk, or transitioning between states inBipolar, for instance. But the police will never discover that, unless they can plant trained experts for that, into his daily life, for at least 6 months or more. It takes a long time, because those are so adept at showtiming (putting up a good show of being normal); all they need is a few minutes away, or day or few break in scrutiny, to refresh their facades. It’s a diabolically complicated collection of diagnoses which even trained professionals find difficult, & often avoid accepting into their case loads. But all through the docu., the clues pointing at it, were there. Surprising none mentioned anything of psych evals or concerns. And, knowing of such diagnoses, could point to drastically different handling.
The murderer is the bloke that was last to see her he was obsessed with her and she rejected his advances, the ball fella at the start of this, it's so obvious if you watch murder at the Cottage episode 2about 35 minutes in he says he liked her a lot and he forgot himself and was just going to say when she rejected him but changed his words when he realised he nearly confessed
Just found out the Sky documentary "Murder at the Cottage" that came out a few weeks ago is also this story. Strange how two documentaries of the same thing came out roughly at the same time
Production studios tend to hold onto scripts and the rights to make movies or documentaries about certain things for a long time, then when they here another studio is making a similar film they get cracking on theirs. Same reason you had films like The Prestige and The Illusionist at the same time.
Jack Burton:I feel sure I heard it was one mile overland and three by road I used to live in very similar terrain and yes I have in much younger days cétoses it at night The nights in such places are not pitch dark The absence of light pollution mean that the stars and moonlight are very bright Admittedly I do not know the state of the moon on that night but only three miles by roadWe lived almost that distance from the far edge of the village and I often walked I was never6’4 Before you say he was 6’2 I was quoting the man himself when he recounted how often the late Princess Diana flashed him “flirtatious “ looks He appears to have a penchant for speaking ill of defunct blondes . I am not 100 percent certain but beyond reasonable doubt Had this poor lady been so nervous as you mentioned earlier she would not have opened the door Admittedly if the man had some saving grace I would not be so easily convinced of his guilt but bad/tempered failed journalists are not noted for warmth and charm
What he would have had to have done is get up at around 2.30am, leave the house, walk over 2 miles in pitch dark, over rough terrain, in the freezing cold. Then somehow lure Sophie out with her boots laced up, chase her to the gate, murder her without bothering to sexually assault her, leave ZERO EVIDENCE at the scene, walk to the house, leave a bloody hand mark on the door, go into the house for some reason, trudge 2 miles back in pitch dark, over rough terrain, in the freezing cold, without bringing any evidence of the murder back with him and in time to give Jules a morning coffee. That's what you are proposing? A motiveless murder? He got up one night and thought, "I know, I'll walk all that way to cave her head in and not rape her". Really?
Ive been watching some stories of crime, but on this one you end up with this owful, sad, impotency felling, that they have a confess murder in front of everybody and they just cant put him on jail, I mean there is plenty of evidence there, even if he denies his brain must block what he made so he actually thinks he didnt do it, but he has flashbacks of that day thats why he confess, I mean what a pain for her loves ones, how can this happend even today, such an injustice for Sophie, im so frustrated by all this. I hope some day they put Bailey on jail, I wish theres something we can do 😔
You know this was produced by Sophie's cousin and had the support of the family, yes? You really believe this was not biased as a result? It left out huge chunks of facts that supported Bailey's innocence!
@@brianmcginley2743 Briand McGinley it is you that has gone quiet because those you accused of being Bailey are still commenting after his death. YOU have stopped posting comments though, funny that eh!
Watching the first 15 minutes I knew the Irish police were going to be very biased, corrupted and forcing everything on 1 person. First of all, them having zero experience in murder cases was already a red flag on the police side. Sure, police men makes mistakes, but the problem is they make too many mistakes. And when they do, and they know it, they will try to use someone else as a scapegoat because they feel too embarassed to acknowledge that they have made many mistakes and can not find the real murderer. And in this case Ian was their scapegoat. That is how it is with any police enforcement. They have too much pride that they do not want to lose. Irish police knows they have let the real murderer walk around for decades now.
Your standards must be very low, it is full of inaccuracies and even lies! But then since one of the producers was Sophie's cousin, it should be no surprise that it would be so biased.
@@brianmcginley2743 "@Random not as low as you, the murderer ian" How embarrassing for you Brian McGinley that Bailey is dead yet I am still posting. TROLL
This case has me angered and disgusted. How the focus has been taken away. For justice for Sophie/her family. I would like to give her son a handshake. Tell him well done. How long and hard he has fought for justice for his mommy. I'm angered how Garda negligently. Didn't properly secure and collect specimens. For a later date. Where forensics testing would evolve and be included. Never heard of throwing tarp on a crime victim and letting a corpse. Lay out under the elements. Where all crucial evidence could be contaminated/compromised. Then there is Marie Farewell. Who is a compulsive liar. Wouldn't know the truth. If it staring her in the face. Ian Bailey did it. He is a narcissist with violent tendencies. His partner Jules can attest to that, but yet she supported him. Don't understand that dynamic. All involve should take themselves out of the equation. Think what a horrible death Sophie suffered. In the end it should be all about justice for Sophie and her family period.!!⚖️⚖️😭🕊️
"Ian Bailey did it" Are you sure? Marie Farrell has now identified from a photo the man she saw following Sophie. It is a Frenchman known to Sophie. Stop throwing accusations around based on nothing more than circumstantial BS.
after binge watching the series im here to see if someone else is feeling the same as I am; infuriated, confused, frustrated, sad.
Watch the superior Sky one, or listen to the even better West Cork podcast which is far more balanced and factual compared to this biased Netflix hatchet job.
@@zed351 I agree, Ian definitely did it.
you def-ly are not alone!! The part about how police lost the track of an iron gate with blood on it makes the case even weirder!!! How in the world....an iron gate, it is not a button or a pair of shoes!!!
@@jackburton3259
Hi Adam Hardcourt, you still stalking and harassing me I see. Keep going Adam, it's your real name being associated with harassment.
You are ADAM HARDCOURT
@@zed351 What's going on with you and this Adam Harcourt?
This looks intriguing... I wish there were more true crime documentaries... can't get enough of them!
Me too!!!
Yeah same! Netflix does some a good job telling these old crime documentaries
Yeah, I wish there was less ones one Netflix that aren't in English! Like have them but don't show them to me all over the place, I get all excited but I don't wanna read only subtitles for a show like this! It's okay for me to have some to read but when it's all sub or 95% it's a bummer
@@addidaswguy I totally understand that... I tend to love watching them whilst I'm cooking dinner so I can't always keep my eyes on the screen for subtitles.
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This case was so weird, interesting and infuriating at the same time. If Ian Bailey isn't guilty, he's guilty in being an attention-seeking narcissist. Marie changed her story but no one asked her why she was out at 3am in the middle of nowhere? I honestly thought she was the murderer near the end of episode 3 or she was having a fling with Bailey. Sophie's husband was never mentioned after episode 2, so I guess he was just a douche. The police did a bad job at concealing the crime scene and they somehow lost the gate with blood on it? How the hell does that happen?
@Nuby cuts could be made by pruning trees etc., that’s gardening is like and I know it because I experience the same whilst gardening. Just because he’s weird, it doesn’t really mean he’s a killer. If every weird people could be killers, then 50% of men are.
However, I found it also strange why he burnt a mattress. Why? She wasn’t killed on his bedroom. It could be just a coincidence or for some unrelated reason.
There is another 5 part documentary released only a month ago called murder at the cottage about the case. Marie Farrell was meeting a man and was married at the time thats why she was out there. Claims to have been blackmailed by Garda to say the man she saw was ian bailey. This is all well known and reported on but netflix left it out.
@Nuby you gotta watch that other documentary if youre interested in the case. The victims family pulled out of it as it supposedly shows Bailey in a sympathetic light.
@Nuby "Obviously" guilty, have you not watched Netflix crime documetaries before? This was edited to make it look 100% he did it, but there is so much more left out on purpose to not allow viewers have any other opinion. There is absolutely NO evidence that puts him at the scene, nothing!!! That's the issue here. They showed none of the footage of Christmas day, 2 days after the murder where he's about with the locals, wearing his big black coat ,his hands hanging freely out of his pockets, saying his dumb poetry happy out and hiding nothing. This to me is not a man who just committed a grisly murder. He was hiding nothing! He was wearing the coat that they said two days earlier he killed her in and burned. I did think it odd though that his partner said she didn't recall the injury on his head, but he did say it was supperficial so barely noticeable I'm assuming, and the police with their many lies decided to draw a huge gash on his head in their childish picture. Why in the name of god they didn't take photos is beyond me! Would be good if someone could take the xmas footage and somehow clear up his hands to see what they looked like. Probably impossible though!
@Nuby read the dpp report.i was sure bailey did it too until i read it
the sadnesses and suffer on her mother’s face was so emotional..
It really was. And her poor father.
Made me so sad seeing her parents.
I can't say I'm convinced Bailey did it, but it's hilarious how much of a hypocrite he is. Slanders her name in the papers with baseless accusations all for a headline but when the spotlight gets turned on him he has the audacity to go on about "facts"
The fact that in so many years there is no other suspect,not ever mention other name expect Bailey's,the multiple people that heard his confession,his marks,the fire,the girl that saw his black jacket in the bucket etc..I am not sure if this happens to someone in other country that they could walk so easily without any consecoinces..
@@linabella1218 Wondered how long it would take for someone to start ranting about how he must be guilty despite how little relevance it has to the point I actually made...
Absolutely the man does not help himself
He's a narcissistic and unlikeable person but that doesn't pin him as the assailant.. it just makes him a convenient scapegoat, if anything. I don't think he was 'slandering' her name intentionally with the red rags at the time.. I think he was relishing the attention alongside the quick few bucks he probably made from it all.
He was an aimless and fruitless journalist (in his own mind) at that point in his life - so this story was almost like a 'big break' to him.
Although I believe he's not guilty - he's somehow managed to make the whole tragedy about *himself*, even if he's been cast in an extremely unfavourable light.
So naturally, he would make baseless and ambiguous accusations for no other reason but to garner attention/notoriety/money. Then of course he would focus on 'facts' should he be legally implicated as a suspect. He's a gobshite but I think he's innocent (unforch)
@@l0stk3y
Indeed, if being narcissistic and unlikeable made you a suspect then those on reality TV would be murder suspects!
After watching this and reading up online. I think Marie Farrell knows more than she is letting on. The whole saw him on the bridge at 3am sounds odd when you consider she's lied about the person she was meeting.
And what the hell was she doing out at that time?? Question never asked! 😓
I think she was having affair with Bailey
@@markmiller489 😲
@@mayagame think about it. I mean she was reluctant at first to come forward because she knew the affair would be made public, but her conscious git the better of her and she tried to anonymously call police
@@markmiller489 maybe but that kind of witness should be never taken seriously, you either state whole truth or not!
Netflix really has dominated the documentary game
Without a doubt. Some of their docuseries are just amazing.
@Nuby I really liked the Witcher they did very good with that series. I have also read the books and played the games though. I liked the first season of witcher better than first season of game of thrones. That’s giving high praise. Netflix makes much better series then movies that’s for sure. Russian doll and dead to me are great too. I just don’t like how they cancel good shows like glow and dark crystal. If you haven’t seen mind hunter do it’s one of the best Netflix series ever. Haunting of hill house was fantastic too.
It’s OK.
@KUARENTA KILLA Keep it to yourself. Lol
I’m surprised they haven’t put out more true crime docs though to be honest. They are so successful that I was expecting a flood of them to hit Netflix. ESP For as much content as Netflix is able to put out there in general. Though corona has effected so many productions/
While watching this, I found it somehow comical that Ian Bailey, whenever he's drunk or emotionally unstable, was actually telling random people in his community of how he killed Sophie. Like in every criminal documentary, criminals always have this urge to tell people that they committed the crime by dropping clues and hints everywhere. It's a crazy taunt that probably gives them the thrill of being caught and the quick misstep is almost a cry to let out the secret. Maybe it Ian goes into a different state of mind in certain moments, like bipolar personality. But that part of the series where he tells people was certainly the craziest. Poor kid in the car had to hear a clear description of how Ian murdered Sophie. Scarred for life!
The DPP report states that they were taken out of context. The kid did not tell anybody about it until after a Guard visited his school and Ian Bailey has said what he actually claims to have said to the kid. He was not drunk at that time, he was driving. It is notable that the kid isn't the one saying it, it is his MOTHER relating the story about what her kid said, not him.
Another one of the "confessions" was not reported to Gardai by the person until 11 MONTHS later. Can you be 100% certain of what exactly was said to you by somebody and the context of it when you were drinking with them 11 months ago?
Context is everything.
@@zed351 You're delusional.
@@wildmansamurai3663
Typical comment from somebody not interested in facts.
@@zed351 ok
@@zed351 You are from those people who always defend criminals and like bribed lawyers use every legal and illegal opportunity or gap in law in order to free murderers.
Just finished watching it. Far far superior to Jim Sheridan’s programme. What a wonderful family Sophie has, her poor parents, her marvellous aunt, and what a son. It’s heartbreaking to see their pain still so raw all these years later. I feel after watching this three parter there is little room for doubt. I do feel Bailey is guilty.
A lot of omissions . What if the former British soldier living in the area bribed by the police with cannabis and money by the police? No mention whatsoever.
So what would you convict him on?
@@conlaiarla exactly it was very one sided
I so agree with you
bailey defo smacked her and it got out of hand, his wife was taking the blows and refusing to press charges, Sophie would have told him she was going to tell the police
I cannot get this story out of my head This narcissistic fantasist believes his dull doggerel is poetry.Into this tiny community comes a well-connected and beautiful French writer. He connects with her and tells her he is a poet.He craves attention and blows up their meeting in his imagination.He knows about her poem of the dead lamb,He sees her in the Spar supermarket and lusts after her.He believes himself to be attractive and is continually trying compensation tactics to persuade himself against evidence that he is an impressive human being.He is very tall and strong.He lures her out of the house possibly with a tale of an abandoned lamb or other vulnerable animal caught in the briars.He thinks she is going to be attracted to him and her imperfect grasp of a foreign language might lead her to find merit in his immature scribbling .She is cold,frightened and turns back to the hose.He is strong enough to wield a stone slab and smash it down on her head.He only lives a mile away as the crow flies or a tall man strides….He tries to divert attention by suggesting a French influence..or a local man anything to divert attention.The murderer always returns to the scene of his crime,it is said.He takes advantage of the fact that he scratches out a living on the meagre stories to report .The big break-a big story and an excuse to go back to the scene.This is not sufficient-he wants to go round the back of the house-has he dropped something-anything that might place him at the scene.He decides to deliver two hastily snatched items to the cottage behind her cottage.Unasked,and so near Christmas ?
This is scarcely a faisceau des preuves a single shock of wheat,this is the major part of the harvest ! In addition ,given his size he has beaten his partner so savagely she needs reconstructive surgery ? Is this so common in West Cork,in a tiny community ? How many more people have been so savagely beaten a dozen ? a hundred ? If it is commonplace Schulz must be awash. How many vicious over-sized strong inadequate roam the countryside on near freezing nights at Christmas time ?
This lovely woman has sought out a stark contrast to the glitter of Paris.Bailey claims she had a taste for amorous adventures and wild parties so she leaves the city of lights because the scene is so much wilder in WEST CORK??????? We’re it not so heart-wrenching lay tragic it would be risible
read the dpp assessment of the circumstantial evidence. its about a 45 minute read. its fascinating and basically points out that most of the circumstantial evidence pointing towards bailey is either twisted by or entirely made up by the gardai. i was sure bailey did it until i read the report
It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out this town is just in it to blame an outsider who to them nearly doesn’t belong in there world
@UCzb2JyB8fROT8mnmGySFxXw I have not heard of that point but I would need to know more about the size and reputation of the neighbour.Such disputes are common enough and can blow out of proportion but to bludgeon someone to death to that degree,at Christmas time-over a gate ??? Surely the person wanting it closed would close it and the person wanting it open would open it,leaving it open .We used to live in an isolated area and have a garden gate which one of the cows used to open,fairly regularly to help herself to some plants or other -we would not have dreamt of hitting the cow ! Let alone a human being .This neighbour is now deceased so it is convenient to mention it now but it was not thought to be brought up at the time ? Is it also a local custom to burn clothing-winter clothing at Christmas time instead. Of giving it to the priest to pass on to the needy ?
@@dakotajones674 It does not take an Einstein to calculate that the number of people in a community of that size who have noticeable scratches; choosing to burn winer clothing: making at best distasteful and inappropriate remarks; physically capable of wielding large stones;lying about knowing someone even whilst putting themselves forward to investigate a case where personal knowledge of the victim would have given him an edge and known to be given to to outbursts of violent temper and appalling cruelty who make threatening gestures at witnesses are somewhat limited !
@@pjom4191 I have now read the Dpp assessment and agree that some questions are answered but not all No-one kills turkeys in a winter coat-it is stated that he was wearing shorts so why burn a winter coat Also the dismissal of her French friends assertion that she had spoken about Bailey does not convince me .I am now reading all the reports from French newspapers about this affair .People cannot remember exact dates I have always been afraid that my terrible memory would make me a bad witness but the proximity to Christmas and the appalling nature would fix the mind on such an occasion .This is a litigious man, he would definitely be known as not an easy victim .I believe police prefer easy victims .
Can someone come up with a plausible scenario about how the police could lose a wrought iron gate .. which had blood evidence on it?
Rural Ireland police corruption…
I.e. someone very well-knit in the Schull community is the culprit and I think everyone else in Ireland knows that
@@l0stk3y you think it’s corruption? I thought maybe just incompetence or just lack of experience with murder investigations
@@Collins1118 I think 100% there’s people still in that town who know what really happened… the guards were sus throughout
@@Collins1118 also I think it’s a bit of incompetence too but I don’t think that’s the predominant factor at all
I feel the show didn't show us enough info about her autopsy. They allegedly checked for DNA and there was none found but I kept wondering if they looked at the right places. This Ian Bailey had scratch marks so did they check the wires and the plants in the area? Did they check Sophie's fingernails for DNA? So many question and I feel the Irish police hadn't done enough.
The only alien DNA was found on her boot and since they have not arrested Bailey in 25 years of further DNA development, it isn't his. There is zero evidence pointing to Bailey despite the scene being awash with blood. They think the killer went into the house after and not even the house has any evidence that Bailey was in it.
@@zed351 WRONG
@@wildmansamurai3663
You obviously know nothing of the case.
i just read on line that the body was exhumed scientific analysis linked bailey and he was found guilty by french and has fought extradition
@@zed351 you're obviously an idiot Ian Bailey is guilty as sin.
The West Cork podcast is phenomenal
I can agree to this as I'm currently on episode 7
Sky crime documentary series is even better
Ya it is, when it came out I got the month free audible trial so myself and my mom listen to him. My mom from near that area originally and I have family liviing in the area.
It really is.
@@elizabethmiddleton5613 Where can I find this podcast
Reasons I believe Ian Bailey did it::
His history of violence towards women, his violence when drinking, visciously beating his wife so she had to go to HOSPITAL 6 months before the murder, him leaving his house the night of the murder and having no alibi, the poems he wrote after the murder saying how he murdered her, the scratches on his hands noticed by many people including gardaí, being spotted by locals following Sophie in the town a few days before her murder, his confessions towards many neighbours where he was crying, being spotted by Marie Farell close to the house that night, that he contacted Sophie in France a few weeks before even though he said he didn't know her at all, the black coat soaked in a bucket in the bathroom on Christmas Day, the bonfire in the back of his studio house on the 26th December where clothes and boots were burned, him knowing about the murder hours before the rest of the community or before any statement was released. Him knowing exactly what house it was before anyone else knew and driving there in the morning with Jules, where he only stayed at the scene for about 10 minutes and asked no questions then, even tho he was a journalist. His in-depth knowledge of the case and its details from the beginning, such as knowing it it wasn't sexually motivated.
And much more. Unfortunately there was just no physical evidence recovered, such as DNA and thats what the Irish system requires for a person to be charged.
Everything you said, and the fact that whole list of issues would not be attributed to someone who didn’t do it. One item on that list could be classed as coincidence but everything else, no way.
the problem are not how the evidence are there or not. the problem is this person is somewhat a attention seeking narcissist.
I agree with you on all points. Additionally, I would like to mention a little theory of my own. I believe that Ian's motive for killing her was to come to spotlight (given the gradious narcissistic that he is!) by writing about the case as a journalist. His intention was to garner fame through his reports on the case and he needed a victim for that. So basically, the murder was a preplanned drama he decided to create for his own benefits.
@@shreyasidebnath1134 not a bad theory, but why would people claim that he had confessed to her murder later on? It would’ve had bust his masterpiece before it was even started
Ana K, you clearly have not read the DPP report. All that your comment is nonsense.
If we assume for a moment that Bailey is innocent then the only reasonable explanation for me is that there was a party ne t door at Alfie's on the Sunday. The topic of the French lady all by herself came up. Someone there might have gotten the spare key assuming Alfie had one. Somebody entered her house, then she fled the house down the driveway - not to Alfie's house. Why did he not feature at all in the documentary? Who was at his home Sunday night?
Intriguing trailer, looking forward to watching this mini series
This is gonna be good, but also heartbreaking.
It isn't "good" if by good you mean unbiased and presenting all the evidence. It is a hatchet job on Ian Bailey, you will miss plenty of key information that supports his innocence by only watching this rubbish. I had to Google the actual facts after watching it. Start with the DPP report that they never bothered presenting in this poor documentary.
@@zed351 I think we can all see that you Jack are on a one-man crusade to defend Ian Bailey, who spends most of his time digging his own hole deeper. His recent radio interview is quite pathetic; he still refuses to take responsibility for being a degenerate wife beater. Bailey clearly adores negative attention and teasing everyone with the did he/didn’t he while also beating the absolute he!! Out of his own wife yet pretending that violence against women is something good boy Ian Bailey would never do (ugh). Please - he’s no choir boy.
@@4Mr.Crowley2
Grow up.
Just finished watching this, and its disgusting to think someone can get away with this horrendous murder, yes Ian Bailey!!
Ian bailey is innocent. What documentary were you watching? A 1st grade drawing was used to mock up how the hands of the murderer would look like lol. I'm sure bailey wasn't the only one that had "scratches" in the middle of nowhere in Ireland.
@@topsykretts2264 - He confessed to three different people and admits this but says he was "being sarcastic". None of those people he confessed to when drunk thought he was being sarcastic. He had a history of getting drunk and beating women. He changed his story about being in bed all night i.e. his alibi and admitted getting up an hour after going to bed and leaving the house to go to the office house 200 yards away to "write" for several hours. His own partner says those scatches were on his head and arms the next morning but not when he went to bed the night before. His own partner said he had stopped the car and suggested visiting someone behind Sophie's home on the night of the murder as he could see their light was on. He burned clothing outside his back door, I mean right outside his back door, not in a fire pit type area the day after the murder. He knew how she was killed and that she wasn't sexually assaulted before the police released the information according to more than one witness. He used his position as a journalist to try and fabricate false evidence implicating the husband and a "hitman." He fits the profile in that he is a narcissist with a history of violence towards women when drunk as he was on the night she was killed.
These are just the circumstantial pieces of evidence that jump to mind.
What documentary were YOU watching?
@@AnyoneCanSee definitely did it. It's just like Jeremy Bamber. Unfortunately DNA back then was awful. When he said he did it, it's his way of unleashing negative emotions as he went too far with his violent act. It's where you don't mean too but have such a rage, you can't stop..and everything flashes..shit..he went off in a panic .went home. Put his coat in bucket..burned them all at some point and evidence shows there were coats buttons and boats left over. There's literally no evidence leaning towards anybody else. Definitely did it. He had crush on her..she probably said no..she ran out...he chased her.. kills her. Or they had went for a walk as knew each other.. he tried it on...no..no..she says..kills.. how does she end up that far down the drive at the gate.. who else knew she lived there.. other than ex's..whome had Albi.
It all points towards Bailey.
@@topsykretts2264 This one Ian !!
@@AnyoneCanSee
What about the Frenchman known to Sophie that Marie Farrell is now claiming was the man she saw outside her shop?
Weird how suddenly two series and a podcast are releasing at the same time!
25th anniversary
The Podcast came out about 2 years ago.
Of course Bailey did it.
I think he tried to get the super well connected Sophie to help him make money with some poetry collaboration and she rejected him.
In a blind booze filled rage he smacked her around the chops like he did to his wife, only, unlike his submissive wife, Sophie was going to press charges so he "stopped" her, and then seeing her dead, is filled with further rage of a victim blamer, smashed her head to mush muttering "you made me do it, you made me do it".
The French certainly did have a Bouquet of Evidence against Bailey. He lied about knowing her. He had scratches. He was a drunk, detached from reality, desperate, sexist, misogynist. Had no alibi. He is both dangerous and pathetic. The fact that he still lives next door to where the murder happened means he has no where else to go and no money.
Most of the villages had no alibis that night either. I wonder how many wife beaters were living in that village at the time of the murder? I’m sure with their love of alcohol, he wasn’t the only one
@@smurfiennes good point
@@rustybeddingfield227 read the dpp report analyzing the circumstantial evidence. fascinating. i was sure bailey did it until i read it
Lol
@Rusty
You are sure he did it? So not the Frenchman that Marie Farrell is now saying she saw following Sophie outside her shop?
Are you *SURE* it was Ian Bailey and not this new Frenchman Gardai are interested in talking to?
Wish theyd put release dates in description and which countries itll be available in... cuz ya know, that way wed know when we could watch. I know it says it at the very end, or it says the date, not what countries itll be available in but it would be so much easier to also put it in description
Evidence: bloody gate went missing, garda at their best
Also: was that the only piece of physical evidence they had? What kind of magical leprechaun doesn't leave a single fingerprint, hair, drop of blood (especially in those briars), or fiber in a violent crime scene? Did the garda even try with forensics? I understand it was the 90s, but c'mon!
Hardly an oversight on the part of the authorities. Clearly, some evidence pointed in a very different direction to what they wanted. No way is the " missing " evidence a coincidence. It points to Bailey as innocent.
It was big old gate aswell I could understand a lock of hair but a gate 🤣 only in Ireland
This really made me furious, probably even more than the witness changing versions or the extradiction issue... what a mess, frustrating story, terribly sorry for her son and family.
@@conlaiarla Exactly what I think! I bet there was finger prints but of an unknown individual, which was a problem, because they needed it to be bailey.
Also, it is just my impression or Jessica Chastain (actress) looks precisely like Sophie?
She does!
Wouldn’t surprise me if she has not signed up already.
*The late Linda McCartney too.*
Insensitive!
I just finished watching this on Netflix ! I am angry that they never caught anyone ! The build up and knowing there’s no suspect ? It was obviously Ian Bailey he lied that he never met her ? And then the family the aunt admits that she spoke to her about a writer that she was going to meet? Ian confessing to multiple people that he killed her ! Ian Bailey never confessed it but he killed her !
In a population of 700 there must be so many people strong enough to wield lumps of concrete He lies so badly, too and is caught on film lying He must feel he is so clever
This is an amazing and sensitively created documentary, beautifully filmed. I have one question for Jim Sheridan: In your film it says that when Sophie Toscan du Plantier's parents hear on the TV news that a body of a woman has been found in West Cork, they call Daniel, Sophie's husband wondering if it could be Sophie. In the film Daniel is reported to have said that it could not be Sophie because he had sopken to her on the phone only one hour before. Is this an editing mistake or just a mistake? When Sophie's body was found at 10 am she had been dead for a while and by the time it was first reported on the news certainly she had been dead for much more than an hour which means Daniel could not have spoken to her one hour before he spoke to Sophie's worried parents. Did Daniel lie or is there an editing anomaly or just a misunderstood comment?
Sorry wrong film Jim Sheridan's film was on Sky Crime !!!!
Yo why didn’t they ask Marie why she was out at 3am in the first place?
They did, but it was left out of this series. Listen to the podcast and watch the sky version because it's talked about. She was out with a man who "wasn't" her husband lol. She denies she was having an affair but that's cleary a lie!
@Yousef
Watch it properly. She said she was with another man!
I am curious too
I believe it was Bailey. It kind of correlates to the time frame given by Jules that he went out for a couple of hours that night.
@@stefjames95
His claim is that he went to the studio to write a computer article as he had a deadline for the next day. That article was printed, so it is a reasonable unverifiable alibi.
The question is, how many other people can't account for there whereabouts that night? Marie Farrell and her lover in the car for a start! What about the speeding blue Fiesta at 7.30am that was never investigated?
Unfortunately the Gardai were too incompetent to investigate others as they "had their man".
not me thinking jessica chastain was playing sophie
You did it again, Netflix. Good job. 👏
So far as I can see it's totally biased against IB. Look up West Cork podcast .
@@conlaiarla By giving him more interview time then anyone else?
I looove Netflix for these criminal documentaries 🔥🔥🔥👍😍
It seems like no one interviewed the people living in the house close to Sophie.
It is alleged that there was a land dispute between Sophie and her neighbours, the couple who found her body. The land dispute was never proved to be true.
How did her neighbours not hear anything that night? Seems strange. Also if she was being chased by her murderer, why didn't she run towards their house for help instead of the isolated laneway. The other neighbours were miles away.
@@smellycatrulesxX
Indeed, strange. The neighbours are an angle that should have been thoroughly investigated.
I remember hearing the West Cork podcast awhile ago and it's a pretty crazy cold case. I think this will be a pretty good miniseries.
It’s not
@@nataljamilani491 it’s fantastic don’t talk a trash!!
@@ThomasHannah No it isn't, weirdo. It's boring AF
Netflix, can you make a good Sci-fi movie ??
For under $375.00 and with only Twitter writers? No.
Spoiler alert: It’s interesting to see that in the end everything’s about the law system that each country has. If the crime had been in France or another EU country Bailey would have been prosecuted and sentenced. One thing is when a fact becomes a mere coincidence, other thing is when this amount of facts indicates that someone is the murderer. That bouquet of evidence, which is mentioned in the documentary, seems pretty reasonable to condemn Bailey
" If the crime had been in France or another EU country Bailey would have been prosecuted and sentenced. "
No he wouldn't. The French system is based on Napoleonic justice where hearsay is accepted. Common Law does not accept village gossip as evidence and rightly so. People should not be jailed for murder when there is no evidence, merely rumours and innuendo. What you describe is a witch-hunt.
The fact that I have to point this out to you is bizarre.
@@zed351 I respect your opinion, but really doesn’t seem like a witch-hunt for me. Burning things outside your house and having many witness statements against you is lack of evidence? Wether Bailey has to be condemned or not, it’s not up to me to judge. Also, I’m not criticizing common law and saying that civil law is better. i’m just pointing out that the law system in each country makes more difference in terms of making justice than we think
@@zed351 are you bailey cousin? Jeez
@@lyahaokip4811
Are you afraid off differing opinion to yours? Are you a child?
Another great documentary series! Thank you Netflix❣️🤟🏼 I will be busy binge-watching ☺️
I love how everyone is talking about spoilers on a trailer for the show.
I don't know about this case, but from what I've seen most true crime docs don't need to be a "series". A feature length film is often enough to cover everything. Instead of stretching it into a series.
I personally LOVE deep dive series... you can really connect with all the people involved as well as the victim whose story deserves to be told and I just prefer a series where I can really get into it.
@@charlieclemens5798 there is no main suspect. There was one who was arrested but not charged and high court has confirmed his innocence and refused extradition to france and its kangaroo courts
It's a total waste of time
There is no compulsion to watch it all The more information the better The trauma that family has gone through makes many people desperate to know the truth I am planning my hopes on the fact that it was so near Christmas and a lot of us suddenly have a memory that resolves a problem-happily not as tragic as this-but every little detail has the possibility of helping -even if only to rule out a suspect
Ian Bailey: "A French assassin did it. All the clues point to France."
Also Ian Bailey: "A local man did it. The Guards know who he is."
Bailey makes those two claims in two different newspapers - on the exact same day: Saturday 19th June 2021. You literally could not make this up. As he says himself, "I get to play the journalists like puppets on strings." And the journalists are happy to be played, it seems.
Bailey's "French hitman" claim: Irish Daily Star (19/06/21)
Bailey's "Local man cover-up" claim: Irish Daily Mail (19/06/21)
You got it all wrong mate! A clue is one thing, and evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt is another! You’re unreasonable to bank on that though of hypothesis! do you’re research before you the rest of the majority of the ignorant-Cheers
I cant believe they never arrested thr man who killed that poor young lady. It was so obvious who did it.....it all pointed to Ian Bailey..... This documentary was so well done. Cork is beautiful and mysterious.
Ian Bailey was arrested, but never charged. He was not charged because the DPP said there was no evidence, just basically village gossip!
The documentary is obviously biased, the maker was interviewed and his bias was obvious. It left out most of which points to Bailey not being the murderer and barely mentions the Gardai bribing witnesses to testify, one of which was offered money and DRUGS for a statement, this guy actually told Bailey about it!
There is zero evidence that Bailey is the murderer. Instead, listen to the West Cork podcast and watch the Sky documentary by Jim Sheridan, you are being misled here.
@@zed351 hop off the youtube ian
@@zed351 Holy shit you have no life!
@@travisb1o0m19
You lot are typical Cancel Culture people.
@Barbara Knowles made a perfectly reasonable comment based on her limited knowledge of the case, so I responded suggesting other sources.
Your type are not interest in facts. Accusing somebody who has bothered to Google this case as being Bailey is beyond pathetic.
@@adamhardcourt9428
Yeah of course and you are Sophie's brother.
Why was Marie out at 3am??
Until the last scene in the last episode I felt bailey is the one who did it , but the visuals of him being sitting on a street bench where he is writing his poems like a complete loner melt me down nd thought he might be wrongly convicted nd he is bearing it through out this 25 yrs which reflects half of his life he lived like a sus. This is just my emotional opinion.
One more point I wanted to add is that back yard fire in their studio is from end of Nov or start of Dec which is happened to be before the Sophie's murder. It was said by both Jules nd bailey , I don't know how their neighbors saw fire in backyard on 26th dec.
Forensic said that they have found buttons which might have been of coat ,piece of shoes nd all but the other girl who gave testimony that she stayed at Bailey's house after the murder that she saw a coat is soaked in a bucket of water, so did he used two of his coats for commiting a murder? And how can she justify that washing a coat in mid winter is a such a big crime that he is a murderer by doing so 🤯
If he is the one who committed murder then why Jules always stayed beside him through out these yrs without leaving him as a abusive husband nd a murderer. She knew that he might have not done that crime . I heard that recently they both are separated still she believes he is innocent.
Am really hoping that there should be a closure for this case soon
The coat could not have been burnt anyway. A Guard saw Bailey wearing it weeks after the murder, another Guard took it as evidence when his house was searched. I was amazed that the senor detective claimed that the coat was missing when it was actually taken by the Gardai and cut for samples, it is documented by the Gardai as being taken by them. He is either incompetent or a liar, I reckon liar as he wanted you to believe the coat was burnt. Jules stated that the coat was never returned.
@@zed351 woah , definitely he is a lier, if the coat was already taken as evidence then how can the gardai or forensic expert misguide us in doc saying it was burnt in the backyard along with mattress. I still have a neutral feeling abt Bailey but I do believe "Innocent until proven guilty".
@@sharmi8669
The witness who claimed seeing a fire did so 4 months after the murder (5 months after Jules said the fire was). It is likely that the witness simply got the date wrong.
@@zed351 ppl who are claiming that he confessed nd all these witnesses , I don't know why they r trying very hard to frame him by adding much more to the facts like saying Bailey went on to say that I did it ,I did it....If he confessed in such a strong manner even when he is drunk then why will he say that he is innocent for all these yrs nd live a traumatic life . When Bailey tried to sue media for defaming him why that case became a hearing for him , as they all came together to give their testimony. Did anyone compelled or forced them to do so? All these ppl doesn't like him as a person as he is weirdo so they believed he is the murderer with half cooked stories nd confessions by him Through out there is a biased version stating Bailey is the one who did the murder. I don't know if am thinking straight or else being biased towards him
@@sharmi8669
One witness claimed that Bailey would go out naked and howl at the Moon.
That is how ridiculous it got.
Very glad to see the people who claim he’s guilty without a shadow of a doubt being shut down.
@Loading Opinions Exactly, he's a narcissistic psychopath.
Jfc, people are stupid. Say it with me now: Circumstantial evidence isn’t and should never be the thing to get someone behind bars. That’s the whole reason some people get thrown in jail who are later proven innocent by actual factual evidence.
No one is saying he couldn’t have done it. No one is saying he’s definitely innocent, because we don’t know, but to say he’s guilty based on only circumstantial evidence is simply stupid. There was DNA evidence, the Garda just mysteriously “lost” it.
There’s now a break in the case where it was found there actually was someone with her that night that wasn’t him btw.
There’s another documentary that focusses more on the blatant mishandling of the case by Gardaí and the fact that they lost crucial evidence which you should maybe watch to get another perspective. It’s called murder at the cottage.
@Loading Opinions He did that…but his admissions only were spoken as “one-liners”, in times he was drinking, or, perhaps transitioning between various states of mind found in cases of things like Bipolar/NPD/Borderline disorders.
But no mention of psych evals, psych holds, or such were offered in the show.
If…IF….the guy is such a person, he will (has) lead everyone on a merry chase, unable to convict, exactly because of the behaviors that commonly happen within those diagnoses.
IF officials wanted to catch-him-out, they’d need to plant some expert observer into his daily life to watch for it, to document it.
There is wide variety of symptoms, making it tough to diagnose…they’d have to keep that up for a minimum of 6 months or longer, to make adequate diagnosis, IF that is at play here-& the clues for it, are laced all through the documentary. If the observer misses a day or few during that time, the person observed has chance to refresh their facade, to keep-up appearances…”showtiming”.
@@Chimonger1
You don't need to do anything like that, if you have evidence. There is ZERO evidence that Bailey is the murderer, but there may have been evidence that he wasn't, that has been "lost" to save Gardai embarrassment.
@@zed351 Exactly. There’s a dance going on there…kinda like a group-smoke&-mirrors thing.
Looks intriguing and neo-psychological documentary
Bailey did it no doubt. I watched the sky documentary made last week very intriguing a great watch
At least he made numerous contradicting and incriminating statements about his relationship to Sophie du Plantier and his whereabouts that particular night.
@@Douglas_Hamilton
What contradictory statements has Bailey himself said, I've read plenty of hearsay from others, but have you exact quotes from him?
@@zed351 He said he never met nor knew Sophie; her friend Agnes and a French colleague of hers say she told them about Bailey and how he approached her for a project together. It's in the docu, watch it.
@@mermaidmoon2254 also Alfie Lyons (Alfie and his wife lived in the large house next to Sophie’s) stated that he had introduced Bailey to Sophie *well before* her murder in December of 1996. Bailey has always denied this and also uses deliberately evasive language - “we were never properly introduced”
@@4Mr.Crowley2
He said that she was pointed out, hence never properly introduced. Its' not rocket science!
I would recommend everyone to watch Somos in Netflix. It’s shocking and based on a true story.
There is 100 better shows before you watch somos.
This series made my blood run both hot and cold. The way the investigation was handled was so sad and infuriating but at the same time she looks so mich like one of my dearest friends. She and her family deserved so much better
You should be aware that it had Sophie's cousin as a producer, hence why it left many key facts in support of Bailey's innocence out.
Whether or not Bailey is a killer he is still a human trash. What kind of man beats up the girlfriend brutally multiple time while pretty much depending on her for providing a roof over his head. But Jules is also very weak she should have left him long time ago instead of subject herself and her poor daughter to the traumatizing life with him. The latest news is she finally broke up with him this year and now he is worried that he will be homeless. For someone who is a narcissist and so grandiose, he is certainly very unaccomplished
Marie Farrell was seeing the same man as Sophie, she then got jealous and got her revenge
🤔 interesting…
Based on what?
but no man came forward to say that sophie was into him or something, and why did sophie called bunch of friends desperately asking them to come with her , as if someone was stalking her and she was scared, i think bailey was stalking her she was a foreigner alone lady he saw that she leaves alone he wanted to get attraction and he went on and killed her he was also a violent man he also admitted it ffs that she killed her even being the only suspect
Marie changed her mind after what, ten years? Then she walked out of court while testifying. Unreliable at best. Besides at 3:30 AM it must've been dimly lit at best.
I think there's a possibility that there was no man on the bridge (why was Marie farrell on the bridge?) that night and marie farrell wasn't having an affair and was making up mystery French men following Sophie and mystery men on the bridge and only figuring out that she recognised "him" as Ian Bailey after Ian Bailey became a suspect and the talk of the area, then she kept changing all sorts of versions and reasons etc. She's unbelievably scetchy but was taken at face value as a lovely lady trying to help but afraid her husband would find out she was with another man, the guards were looking for a big bad boogey monster and she was star witness to blame a very obvious strange odd weirdo as the culprit. I think she made up shit to put blame away from herself. I don't know if she was jealous of Sophie or thought she was after her husband or in a relationship with her or what the hell kind of reason but I cant understand that even now why the guards aren't looking into the possibility of her as an actual suspect. And as for 2 wine glasses lol there's often more than one glass or cup on my sink just from me, it doesn't mean anyone else was there it just means you didn't clean them away. The whole investigation was a disaster and looking at the documentary made me cringe at how uneducated and backward some of the thinking was at the time.
Sa famille est merveilleuse Chapeau pour le courage J’admire autant cette famille magnifique
When he described the murder even mentioning the particular shop and the fit of her clothes if that was not transference...
With limited population, they could’ve tried house to house search and DNA testings as part of the investigations; instead of based only on so called witnesses’ testimonies. For sure the female shop owner lied all the time, thus the rest could do the same too. As long as there’s no concrete evidence that ties him directly to murder, he’s still innocent in the eye of the law. I wonder if those 2 fortune tellers could predict her death accurately, could also name her killer?
Just finished the Sky Crime Jim Sheridan version and very intriguing.
@Jay Campbell it’s called “Murder At The Cottage”. Just keep a look out for it on here.
If Ian was guilty, i feel he wouldn't have stuck around, he would have moved away. The fact he's still stubbornly there means something.
Holy crap Ian Bailey has a whole army of supporters on here defending him. I was certainly not expecting that.
Yes, how dare people believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty!
@VCGTdunker
It's all fine until YOU are the one accused, then you will be crying out for people to defend YOU.
@@brianmcginley2743
I am able to think for myself thanks.
@@brianmcginley2743
Yeah you keep saying. Not in Ireland where it matters.
@@brianmcginley2743
"Random and jacknburton are ian bailey.... who has been convicted of this murder"
Except I am alive and Bailey is dead. Proving that you are just a nasty, vindictive, troll Brian McGinley.
Bailey will receive his final judgment now. They won’t except any BS at the pearly gates.
Why are you assuming guilt? If innocent it is YOU that will be judged, you may have just broken one of the big ones:
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”
I listened to the Podcast regarding this case and have my doubts regarding the suspect it seems its too convenient to be him and think its more likely to be someone from her past in France maybe. BTW I’m in Ireland and have known about this case for over 20 years it comes up on the News here every so often.
Yes! Too convenient. I know a woman who worked for his legal team and she said it was common knowledge who did it, and it wasn't him.
The general consensus in the locality is that he is guilty.
@@ailish086 I don't think the truth will ever come out
Yes, I’ve met the man and you’re right - he was definitely framed and I’m so sad to see this one sided documentary
@J Island I mean that instead of trying to make any real effort they just picked this guy. If you had listened to the podcast you would understand. I don’t think even the Gardai here believe its him its the French authorities who keep pushing it to get him to trial
in France. It makes more sense for the murderer to be someone from her past. This guy is in no way even connected to her. As far as I know.
For what it's worth I think Bailey is innocent. He's certainly brash, egotistical and attention seeking, but the flaws in his character don't make him a murderer. I agree with the guy in the Netflix doc who says he's been convicted on his personality.
I feel its much more likely to have been a French hitman, someone connected to or indeed Marie Farrell, or even a total stranger sailing past the lighthouse who saw the lights on in the cottage and came ashore. As outlandish as these theories seem, they are no more far fetched than the case against Bailey.
A proven culprit of this crime is the Garda, whose bungled investigation and intimidation tactics have probably robbed Sophie's family of the chance to ever get real justice.
If an Irish person had been Bailey living in England, believe it he would be extradited to France. The poor lady and her family
Both Irish and English law are based on the same Common Law. There was not enough evidence to charge him, so he certainly would not be extradited from England to France.
@@zed351 the English would kick him out haha! And before you say how would I know?? I lived there! But I've been wrong before!
@@pauldkb1700
No. The English would at most extradite him to Ireland as the murder was committed under Irish jurisdiction. The English High Court would not allow an extradition to another country other than Ireland at their request. They would reject a French extradition request.
Bailey admitted killing her. He destroyed clothing and mattress evidence in a fire outside his house the day after she was murdered, local women were so scared of him they fled the area, he was seen to have a cut on his forehead and parallel scratches on his hands and arms the day after she was murdered, he had a far fetched story about getting the scratches climbing a tree to cut off the top as a Christmas tree and about getting the cut struggling with a turkey he was killing for Christmas dinner (it was already past Christmas when the marks were seen), he admitted to police about getting up and leaving his house during the night it happened, he had a history of beating up his wife - once so bad she almost lost an eye (violence against women), he lied to the police (a lot), he told people very precise details about the case before they were even released by the police to anybody, he longed for a crime to boost his journalism career and was known for being boastful and seeking norority, he showed up as the scene to report on it but didn't even question the police or investigators at that scene, he tried to mislead the Irish media by reporting a story he made up about a fictional French hitman, he got drunk and told local people at a pub shortly after the murder that he had killed her saying 'I did it, I did it I went too far', he picked up a local school kid giving him a drive home (while he was drunk) and told him in tears that he bashed her f'ing brains in with a rock, he was witnessed on a bridge near the scene shortly before it happened and he stalked, harassed and intimidated that witness over a long period of time even making cut throat gestures to her until she retracted her claims undermining herself, he was known by locals to walk naked at night howling at the moon and Sophie reported seeing someone naked following her at the three castles lake area hours before she was murdered. He fled the country. He is well spoken but boasted about how well educated he was compared to the Irish police who investigated him. He lied about how the police treated him. If you're English try to consider that your nationality might be affecting your opinion of him. At least try to keep an open mind. He lives amongst you in England. The local police made mistakes. There hadn't been a murder in remote West Cork in over a century so it was never going to be a case of CSI West Cork. If he did it then Sophie may not be his last victim.
What about the Frenchman known to Sophie that Marie Farrell now claims was the man seen outside her shop following Sophie? The one that Gardai now have a sudden interest in talking to?
So I just finished this documentary and for some reason I can’t get this case out of my head. There is something very earie about it. At first it came across as the locals pointing to Ian Bailey because he was a weirdo, an outsider and a maybe not so likeable person. It really came across as him being the scapegoat. For example the ‘howling at the moon stories’ lmao. But even the Marie Farrell story about being sure she saw him at 3 am when it’s pitch black outside, it’s almost impossible to know for sure it was Bailey. That’s just the truth and also doesn’t prove he’s the murderer.
However what did make me start doubting was that he abused his partner (her face/head) and so severely she needed hospital stay. This gave me goosebumps and not the good kind. Also what about all the claims about him threatening the locals? Yet they all still live there together now like nothing happened? I’m so confused, it’s all just so strange!! I also thought, there has not been any other suspect, but it wouldn’t be the first time bad police work/circumstances make it so that they focus on one person alone. Then towards the end the family and friends of Sophie said they recalled her saying ‘a poet’ was coming over? Why did it take them 15 + years to remember that? I really hope this case will be solved, but I think the police (Garda) made so many mistakes the killer probably will never be caught. I also don’t understand the motive, there was no talk about that either. Sophie was not sexually assaulted, there was nothing stolen or even any evidence the killer had been IN the house. She just walked outside and was beaten to death. Bailey does also seem to have had a drinking problem , and agression, but is that a reason to randomly murder a woman you do not even know?
There is the West Cork Podcast to have a listen to, far better than this Netflix nonsense.
@@zed351 I just started the podcast!! After watching the documentary on Netflix I felt like there had to be more that was left out. You seem to be very convinced of Bailey’s innocence. Who do you think did it or do you have any theories?
@@BellaJory1
Innocent? I believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
As for suspects I only know what I have read. There is the French man that Marie Farrell is now saying was with Sophie in town. Also the German, Karl Heinz Wolney is an interesting one, he lived just a mile from Sophie. Closer than Bailey.
He is alleged to have been a violent drunk and wife-beater who had no alibi for that night.
Wolney committed suicide two months later, his friend saying that he said that he'd done a "terrible thing".
@@zed351 Thank you for your response. I’m listening to the podcast. At the episode about Martin Graham now. I don’t think the podcast casts Ian in a better light than the Netflix documentary though. In episode 6 it’s basically implied he could’ve done it in a desperate attempt to revive his career. I agree it’s much more in depth though. Netflix left a lot of things out about the Garda etc. What I don’t understand is why Marie Farell changed her statement so many times. Unless she too was given money by the Garda. And later on her conscience started weighing on her.
@@BellaJory1
Marie Farrell later said she was coerced into stating it was Bailey she saw. Her initial statements listed the height of the man she saw in town as being much shorter and that height got taller and taller in subsequent statements after she was told it was Bailey that was prime suspect.
She said that she was given help to get a council house and her husband had a driving conviction quashed.
Are you aware that she is now saying that it was a French man known to Sophie's ex-husband that she saw in town?
marie farrell really pissed me off
just how can bailey got away?he admit it himself..while drunk...to a kid...and he seen acting crazy by screaming to the moon..the scars..the coat..the burning scene..abusive..lying about he knowing sophie by some witnesses
The "confessions" were taken of context, read the DPP report on them. Witnesses state that the scars were there before the murder. The Gardai took the coat, they cut samples from it. The claim that Bailey knew Sophie was made YEARS later.
There is no evidence linking Bailey to the murder. In fact the only DNA found is male and not his!
@@zed351 the confession regarded as sarcasm and dpp buys that.Literally this has many witnesses.i dont know where you got the coat bit but as i know his daughter's friend saw it in the bathroom when she takes shower before.and there are button coat in the burning place behind the studio.And if the witnesses give their witness years later it is invalid?and the witnesses are not one.and do they know each other?and bailey know about the murder before anyone else when the body found at 2 he seems to know it earlier.and didnt his wife or witnesses said that there are no scar before?he seems as crazy and if he accidentally hit his wife when the wife drunk why their daughter looking for someone else for help
@@adamhardcourt9428
Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty under Common Law?
@@adamhardcourt9428
Ian Bailey would post using his real name. everybody except you knows that he would.
Now answer the question:
Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty under Common Law?
@@adamhardcourt9428
What we know is that you are dodging a simple question.
Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty under Common Law?
Netflix, now make a documentary of Noah Donohoe, cause as it stands now, they want you to believe 2+2=3
I dnt think ive heard of that case but im definitely looking in to it
He denied knowing her and he delivers stuff to her neighbour and the town only had 700 inhabitants
It doesn't work out like that . Those 700 people are split into locals and new people also there is no town in this district , people are spread out across dozens of square miles. Its very common to not know exactly who is who or where they live.
@@conlaiarla Yes but he delivered stuff to the house you could see why parents lived in a similar place outside the village of Lacey and I only went on holiday Everybody knew me within a large radius and we knew everyone all round the long road round the valley Every shop cafe and pub too I once forgot to pay at a restaurant in Douglas because you paid before hand in summer and at the end in winter When I realised O ran and ran to get back to pay and when I apologised theysaid’You should have paid next time you have missed your bus to Lacey » and I was not exotic beautiful or married to a famous film director The Irish are so friendly ! Anyway she had mentioned a man who was a poet which cannot apply to many people He is a self styled poet and English was not her native language
And three people remember Sophie talking about him in France.
@@margot9887 absolutely ! I hate the way that is ignored,by the way,are you an English or a french speaker ? Perhaps you have the good luck to live in France ?
@@margot9887
Those people in France said YEARS after the investigation that they suddenly "remembered" him talking to Sophie. How convenient for them to suddenly "remember" these details YEARS later. You know, long after his character was fullly known in the media and that he was an amateur poet. Funny that eh!
All I know is this, I live in the countryside, houses few and far between....
Sophie ran the opposite way from her neighbours house, Alfie's.
If I was in my nightgown and harrassed at my door, I would run to my nearest neighbours house for help.
I'll say it again.... Sophie did not seek help from her nearest neighbour Alfie.
The Garda have been completely outgunned by a maniplulative narcissistic personality here, it is a crying shame for the deceased, the family and the people of the West Cork region.
Perhaps Marie was meeting Bailey at the bridge for a rendezvous? Bailey was the man she had the affair with. At the bridge she saw him covered with blood, drunk and raving mad. He told her what happened, it terrified her and she later called the police from the public phone to implicate him.
I have not heard of Sophie's tragic murder before the Netflix documentary. From the first moment I saw Bailey I knew he was the murderer.
RIP Sophie.
If that was the case she would have said something since. It is far more likely that she was with a married bloke and was attempting to protect his identity. It is my belief that the Gardai pressured her as they wanted Bailey in the frame.
There is no forensic evidence that supports the allegation that Bailey murdered Sophie, indeed there are at least two other men who should have been persons of interest. Karl Heinz Wolney and a Frenchman who also lived in that area. Both committed suicide shortly after, Karl Heinz Wolney lived 1 mile from Sophie and said to a friend that he had "done a terrible thing". The Frenchman had met with Sophie.
I thought he was the murderer as soon as i seen him too but not so sure now, there's something shady about all those neighbours
He did it.
Really? So where is the forensic evidence match? Oh wait, none of that found at the scene matches Ian Bailey! It'll will be interesting when the Gardai interview the Frenchman seen with Sophie just before her death though, the one you obviously don't know about because you are determined to point fingers.
This amazing documentary ❤🇬🇧🇵🇰🇫🇷
Yo Netflix. I gotta say, you guys have many good series. Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad, and the 100. Just some of the great series on here. Keep it up. Love you guys haha
They didnt make breaking bad
The most ominous thing about this was that they say usually she was a very private person and saw the cottage as an escape, but before her death she had asked several close people to return with her but nobody was available. Also I am awestruck by what she might have seen that terrified her as her aunt described?! and then according to Irish folklore, if it possibly was the lady in white, basically an omen of death, an Irish person would never have allowed her to return back alone to her cottage that evening...however she didn't relate what she had seen to any Irish person afterward, instead visited with some friends who were not and returned alone to the cottage for the last time...very chilling.
I thought it was odd that she had asked people to accompany her, but if she was afraid of going then why go in the first place? I don't buy the going to fix the heating thing, her housekeeper would have arranged for a plumber. That was no reason for Sophie to fly to Ireland for just a couple of days and then back on Christmas Eve, it sounds like an excuse she made.
I reckon she was meeting somebody to spend a couple of days with them, maybe an ex- lover and it turned nasty.
@@zed351 179 Jack Burton Comments.
He definitely done it what a creep can't believe his still walking around free hope justice for Sophie and family soon
You may wish to read the latest news on a new lead the Gardai are following on a Frenchman seen with Sophie. Stop jumping to conclusions based on ZERO evidence.
@@zed351, but he’s a bit of an eccentric and nobody in the town liked him. That must mean he was the culprit, since everyone knows small town gossip always focuses on the facts and doesn’t at all focus on emotions! /s
@@11ozzielover
Indeed, in another time there would be grabbing of pitchforks and lighting of torches.
We want more like this one
You want more documentaries that are biased and leave out key facts? You know this had Sophie's cousin as a producer, right? It was a hatchet job!
@@brianmcginley2743
WTF is wrong with you? You crazy or something? Spamming your sh!te all over comments.
@@brianmcginley2743
You need help!
@@fredbloggs545 opinions are like @@h@les
You have one and so everyone else
@@mrsmith8224
How original.
My buddy, Fred Bloggs & I (Jack Burton) have been giving everyone a hard time (commenting hundreds of times on multiple videos, having no life). We have decided to finally admit we are idiots who were wrong to fall in love with Ian Bailey. We also have came to terms that he is guilty of murdering Sophie. Sorry everyone.
@Jack Burton Huh ? What made you change your mind ? Why haven't you deleted all your comments ?
@@oliveranderson7264 I have made hundreds of comments on each video. Too much to go through even though I have no life.
@@jackburton3259
Oh high Adam Hardcourt, stalking me as usual. Saddo.
@Kalissa H
Adam Hardcourt is stalking, you have no idea.
@Kalissa H
I was the one who outed adam hardcourt, he is using a few sock puppet accounts to dis people who don't agree with him. You do know adam hardcourt is garda, right?
No murders ever happened in that area yet Bailey moves to Ireland, lived close by, had reportedly contacted Sophie (her French friend confirmed this to collaborate on his 'poetry') though said he didn't know her, had no alibi, confessed killing her to numerous people, had a history of violence against his ex partner Jules, knew key facts about the actual killing calling it a 'murder' before the police and other journalistic sources did (as evidenced by the timeline on the day of the murder itself), lights a huge fire outside the 'studio' with evidence of clothes being burned and on and on it goes..... these are facts. Lack of evidence doesn't mean innocence and in turn can't prove guilt. I don't think it will ever be solved. As for that Farrell woman, words fail me. RIP Sophie.
Circumstantial evidence does not mean guilt either. Indeed the "facts" you mention were dismissed by the Irish prosecutors who have seen all the evidence. If you read the 2001 DPP report you'd understand why, it is damning of these so called "facts".
@@random6809 Hiya Ian. 👋
@@FemmeNatal
What are you, 5? Are you going to address what the prosecution stated?
he didn't actually "confess", he went around in a drunken malding fashion being sassy "oh yeah, it was me, i did it, herp derp", we british are crazy about our sarcasm
It is a disgrace that Ireland has not giving Ian Bailey a trial
There is not enough evidence to even charge him, never mind put him before a judge. It is not a "disgrace" it is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
@@zed351 there you have point but I hope that they some day catch the murderer
@@romeijn2638
Oh absolutely, but the actual killer, not the closest most convenient suspect just because he is an obnoxious weirdo!
Yes I'm ready for this
remember watching this there's a scene where bailey burned his coat, and yet he didn't tell why. or maybe i didn't notice..
His coat was taken by the Gardai and samples cut from it. They even documented taking the coat and taking the samples. It's yet another falsehood given by the senior detective on the show who said they had never found the coat.
Had he been wearing it, it would be soaked in blood of course. So what are we to believe, that he took his coat off before caving her head in and then put it back on again?
@@zed351 I think he went for a walk and on the way back he stop at Sophie hse.. The time of death never mention it could possibly happen at 5am 6am.
And Barret hat, kangol hat whatever it is.. U don't have to be a French to own one.
@@shanabaiza
A walk past Sophie's house would be over 3 miles.
The man wearing the beret is allegedly a French man known to Sophie's ex-husband identified from a picture.
Great series Netflix. As murder was unheard of in Cork and the investigation was time sensitive, especially outdoors, why didnt the Dublin police use an army helicopter instead of enduring 6 hours of Irish Christmas traffic?! The Investigator in a white suit and gloves, smoking a cigarette lead me to believe that the police investigation was less than ideal…the missing gate confirmed it! It would have been really helpful if the series provided evidence that a murder had actually taken place. Throughout the series this was never explained. It was concerning when Sophie’s cousin said that Sophie had a very gothic side’ and a morbid interest in bodily fluids. She seemed to be obsessed with the graphic detail of animal/animal death. To me, it was so odd for her husband Daniel to say that he felt so guilty because he ‘wasn’t there when she died’! Surely, if he had been there, she wouldn’t have died! Right from the beginning I wondered what Marie Farrell was doing on Kilfada Bridge at 0300!!! Was Ian Bailey her mystery man?!
Why did Arianna Boarina take so long to share the significant details she had?! You couldn’t wash a large wool coat without shrinking it and you certainly wouldn’t do that if you intended to burn it! I don’t think that there was any validity in the French court assuming that Marie Farrell’s first testimony was true, when she is known to have lied under oath in the Dublin court. It seems ironic that both Ireland and France are in the EU, but don’t recognise each other’s laws! Is Ian Bailey still British and, if so, how would that effect any extradition proceedings?! Has Brexit put a spanner in the wheel of justice? So many unanswered questions and so much pain and heartache for all who knew and loved this young woman.
I believe that one of the reasons that the Irish did not extradite Bailey is due to them not having a reciprocal arrangement with France. The French are hypocrites, they refuse to extradite their citizens yet expect other countries to honour French requests. Of course since the crime was not committed under French jurisdiction, it is nothing to do with them anyway.
@@zed351 it's all over bailey,,,you're screwed. it's time to repent, I'd guess you'll rather stay in Ireland than serve your time in a french prison.. Bye bye from the people of west cork.
Wait let me get this. This lady is divorcing a man 20 years her senior and will get half his estate. This man is a well known producer and has connections and also has an insurance policy on his wife. And he won’t fly to Ireland to identify his wife. And she was killed with bruises showing it was personal. In my day, law enforcement wants to follow the money. And the money is all about the husband. I wonder how much and who he paid off to look at this newspaper reporter as the fall guy.
I cannot believe the accusations made against the husband and citing his unwillingness to go to West Cork …the poor man had bought her the house. - not interfering and opting for the safer house she had considered-he obviously felt some guilt,albeit he was in no way whatsoever to blame . Bailey’s attack by suggesting he had arranged it for financial reasons is one of the many reasons people find his character so abhorrent
He litteraly died of sorrow few years later. He's so well-known in France, as if we wouldn't know. The theories connecting him to the crime are outrageous.
@@margot9887 Bravo, et merci j’étais tellement persuadée que c’était déguelasse
@@margot9887 Pardon J’ai fait une erreur avec mon iPad et ce message était coupé Incroyable que ce monstre aurait pu accusé ce gentil gentilhomme avec son visage tellement sincère rien que pour faire semblant qu’il était innocent Quand on voit le mari et le fils de Sophie ensemble aux obsèques ça se voit comment il a souffert . Il devrait,le pauvre avoir du regretté l’achat de cette maison qui aurait du être un lieu d’apaisement un lieu spirituel Peu surprenant que les gens ont la chaire de poule en pensant de sa caractère . Il ne montre pas le moindre petit peu d’humanité et de compassion Elle a un visage tellement beau,ouvert spirituel et mon cœur saigne pour sa famille et ses amis . Merci pour avoir confirmé l’impression que j’avais sur son mari .
Oh so he delivers unasked for produce to the house behind Sophie’s house so soon after the murder?
He is a journalist. It's what they do to get on the scene of a crime. Not rocket science is it!
*He was checking if he had left incriminating evidence in the area*
@@Ralph_Smith0724 Exactly my point ! The saying is that a perpetrator always returns to the scene of the crime
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Nonsense. He is a journalist and sniffing around. Why would there be incriminating evidence at the NEIGHBOURS house? Think before you comment!
Again Netflix with another fantastic docuseries. One thing Netflix knows how to do are these docuseries I don’t think there is even one I hated.
I hated this one
@@nataljamilani491 I didn't like the fact he didn't get extradited but the story kept my interest. It wasn't their best by any means but I watched the whole thing. Usually if it's not happening in their country people lose some interest. Not me though I'm right in there loo
@@The_Primary_Axiom any other recommendations??
@@Slateyard77 Some of favorite ones are The Trials of Gabriel Fernández, Killer inside the mind of Aaron Hernandez, the devil next door, my octopus teacher, high score, american murder, conversations with a killer Ted Bundy, captive, dope, I am a killer seasons were great, Unsolved mysteries the new Netflix ones. There is a really good documentary called talhotblonde it’s not on Netflix but I’m sure you can find it online somewhere, Long shot. There are more I’m sure but those are some of my favorite ones and they are all really good. Don’t f with cats also.
@@The_Primary_Axiom wow amazing thanks for that!! Weekend sorted 🤣
All the Netflix documentry like commercial Film 🔥🔥
Interesting this documentary
Realistic so sad
@sotuur aeei
No more viable that the other 50 suspects that Gardia didn't concentrate on because they thought that they had their man...
Idk why I just don't think Ian did it
IF he’s guilty…& there are too many witnesses with clues that point at him to ignore…then, heck’s a closet bipolar/NPD/Borderline Personality disorder person who has been showtiming as “normal” all his life…because the behaviors shown in the docu., also pointed at that kind of behavior.
Those diagnoses could explain why he seems normal, but has violent episodes, & why he might have said those one-liner admissions to several people, as-if clandestinely confiding in them, or bragging to them…those kinds of giveaway statements can happen when someone is drunk, or transitioning between states inBipolar, for instance.
But the police will never discover that, unless they can plant trained experts for that, into his daily life, for at least 6 months or more. It takes a long time, because those are so adept at showtiming (putting up a good show of being normal); all they need is a few minutes away, or day or few break in scrutiny, to refresh their facades.
It’s a diabolically complicated collection of diagnoses which even trained professionals find difficult, & often avoid accepting into their case loads.
But all through the docu., the clues pointing at it, were there. Surprising none mentioned anything of psych evals or concerns.
And, knowing of such diagnoses, could point to drastically different handling.
The murderer is the bloke that was last to see her he was obsessed with her and she rejected his advances, the ball fella at the start of this, it's so obvious if you watch murder at the Cottage episode 2about 35 minutes in he says he liked her a lot and he forgot himself and was just going to say when she rejected him but changed his words when he realised he nearly confessed
Just found out the Sky documentary "Murder at the Cottage" that came out a few weeks ago is also this story. Strange how two documentaries of the same thing came out roughly at the same time
Production studios tend to hold onto scripts and the rights to make movies or documentaries about certain things for a long time, then when they here another studio is making a similar film they get cracking on theirs. Same reason you had films like The Prestige and The Illusionist at the same time.
Its the 25th anniversary of the murder this year
Jack Burton:I feel sure I heard it was one mile overland and three by road I used to live in very similar terrain and yes I have in much younger days cétoses it at night The nights in such places are not pitch dark The absence of light pollution mean that the stars and moonlight are very bright Admittedly I do not know the state of the moon on that night but only three miles by roadWe lived almost that distance from the far edge of the village and I often walked I was never6’4 Before you say he was 6’2 I was quoting the man himself when he recounted how often the late Princess Diana flashed him “flirtatious “ looks He appears to have a penchant for speaking ill of defunct blondes . I am not 100 percent certain but beyond reasonable doubt Had this poor lady been so nervous as you mentioned earlier she would not have opened the door Admittedly if the man had some saving grace I would not be so easily convinced of his guilt but bad/tempered failed journalists are not noted for warmth and charm
What he would have had to have done is get up at around 2.30am, leave the house, walk over 2 miles in pitch dark, over rough terrain, in the freezing cold. Then somehow lure Sophie out with her boots laced up, chase her to the gate, murder her without bothering to sexually assault her, leave ZERO EVIDENCE at the scene, walk to the house, leave a bloody hand mark on the door, go into the house for some reason, trudge 2 miles back in pitch dark, over rough terrain, in the freezing cold, without bringing any evidence of the murder back with him and in time to give Jules a morning coffee.
That's what you are proposing? A motiveless murder? He got up one night and thought, "I know, I'll walk all that way to cave her head in and not rape her".
Really?
Netflix is super awesome
FINALLY!!!!!!!!
The thumbnail looks like a young Julia Roberts
I thought it was Jessica Chastain
Ive been watching some stories of crime, but on this one you end up with this owful, sad, impotency felling, that they have a confess murder in front of everybody and they just cant put him on jail, I mean there is plenty of evidence there, even if he denies his brain must block what he made so he actually thinks he didnt do it, but he has flashbacks of that day thats why he confess, I mean what a pain for her loves ones, how can this happend even today, such an injustice for Sophie, im so frustrated by all this. I hope some day they put Bailey on jail, I wish theres something we can do 😔
You know this was produced by Sophie's cousin and had the support of the family, yes? You really believe this was not biased as a result? It left out huge chunks of facts that supported Bailey's innocence!
@@brianmcginley2743
Briand McGinley it is you that has gone quiet because those you accused of being Bailey are still commenting after his death.
YOU have stopped posting comments though, funny that eh!
@@brianmcginley2743
Brian McGinley, you have gone quiet since finding out that Bailey is dead and I am still here.
Watching the first 15 minutes I knew the Irish police were going to be very biased, corrupted and forcing everything on 1 person. First of all, them having zero experience in murder cases was already a red flag on the police side. Sure, police men makes mistakes, but the problem is they make too many mistakes. And when they do, and they know it, they will try to use someone else as a scapegoat because they feel too embarassed to acknowledge that they have made many mistakes and can not find the real murderer. And in this case Ian was their scapegoat. That is how it is with any police enforcement. They have too much pride that they do not want to lose. Irish police knows they have let the real murderer walk around for decades now.
This was good
IT WAS IAN BAILEY!!!!!!
Best documentary I’ve ever watched. I never get tired of it.
Your standards must be very low, it is full of inaccuracies and even lies! But then since one of the producers was Sophie's cousin, it should be no surprise that it would be so biased.
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"@Random not as low as you, the murderer ian"
How embarrassing for you Brian McGinley that Bailey is dead yet I am still posting.
TROLL
This case has me angered and disgusted. How the focus has been taken away. For justice for Sophie/her family. I would like to give her son a handshake. Tell him well done. How long and hard he has fought for justice for his mommy. I'm angered how Garda negligently. Didn't properly secure and collect specimens. For a later date. Where forensics testing would evolve and be included. Never heard of throwing tarp on a crime victim and letting a corpse. Lay out under the elements. Where all crucial evidence could be contaminated/compromised. Then there is Marie Farewell. Who is a compulsive liar. Wouldn't know the truth. If it staring her in the face. Ian Bailey did it. He is a narcissist with violent tendencies. His partner Jules can attest to that, but yet she supported him. Don't understand that dynamic. All involve should take themselves out of the equation. Think what a horrible death Sophie suffered. In the end it should be all about justice for Sophie and her family period.!!⚖️⚖️😭🕊️
Actually that happens in most unsolved crimes, there is either corruption from some investigators or work badly done.
"Ian Bailey did it"
Are you sure? Marie Farrell has now identified from a photo the man she saw following Sophie. It is a Frenchman known to Sophie.
Stop throwing accusations around based on nothing more than circumstantial BS.
Money can definitely buy a false conviction.