As an M-D user, I think Leica with no LCD screen is much more closer to analog film style of shooting. That being said, theres something liberating about only shooting B&W. I am looking to get Q2 Mono. Don’t expect too much fromEpson R-D1.. it’s winder just doesn’t feel right. Feels almost like kid’s toy, compare to winder on Nikon F3 or even Leica M6.
the digital analogs. One thing I will say tho is that I don't understand how you can do weddings on rangefinders. I am absolutely STRUGGLING when it comes to shallower depth of field portraits of moving subjects
I recently delivered a fantastic wedding work where I used my M10M + M240. It was gorgeous and they’re highly satisfied. Also, I can tell you that there are shots I couldn’t have made without the M10M and no flash, which is my preferred choice… Point is: it can be used of course!
Ahh now it makes complete sense why this is Monochrom. Bet if it was in RGB anything higher than ISO 6,400 is unusable. This entire camera is built for low light street photography.
M10R files are clean relatively till iso 12500 iso monochrome beats it hands down but the M10R is the closest to it rendering wise so you get best of both world as well the noise pattern on both is absolutely gorgeous for digital cameras
@@whoschrischu go for it :D you won't regret it. And it's the camera for life. What more can you demand from black and white leica camera at this point? :D
How does autofocus do on the Q2 mono in super low-light? does it have an AF lamp? I would be interested on opinions of how it compares to getting focus in low light with a rangefinder.
At this point i feel like Leicas are so expensive that no photographer who uses them can actually justify the price tag. I mean, 9000 for a body? You can have a GFX with a lens for that. Or a Hassy. Or multiple Mamiyas. Or like 90 Canon AE's. Seems to me its gone past a point of "deluxe" right to "deluded" :/
I was going to cringe when you said high ISO caps at 3200/6400 in terms of cleanliness as a Nikon D3s and a D5 user but when you completed your sentence stressing the clean outputs for a 41MP camera, I totally agree! :)
I have a Fujifilm X100f with a broken screen and my camera is out of warranty so the replacement is around $400 here in India so I just use it without the screen 😂 but I can see through the viewfinder tho.. but its great when you can't see how your pictures turn out, although I put my camera on auto (just in case) because the screen is broken
2 years on and the release of the M11m means these are now a bit more affordable. I see them going for not much more than the regular M10/ M10P. It does intrique me as I already have a M9 for colour and getting another M10 colour is just much of a muchness. But a monochrome...
I've only compared my M240 to the M246 Monochrom and as far as tonal range, I don't think there is a huge difference in tonal range between the two, but of course the M246 had an advantage in detail, but in reality, not that much in my opinion, or at least not worth the price difference for me. But in all honesty, THE BEST monochrome camera I've used is the Sigma DP2 Merrill (or any other Foveon based camera). The tonal range AND detail that my Merrill can capture is still jaw dropping to me. Yeah, you can really only shoot up to ISO 400, focus is slow, and write time is crazy long, but dammit, the files for monochrome are SO good. I know, most people talk about the Foveon for color work, but it's a very underrated BW machine.
Just a little update after reviewing some M10 Monochrom RAWs as well as shooting with my new to me, Sigma sd Quattro. This new sensor in the M10 Monochrom might be the first time I would say they are competing with a Foveon for BW work...and yes, it's MUCH MUCH better than the M240 converted and much better than the M246. I don't think it's talked about enough that this new purpose-built Mono sensor in the M10 is far superior than any older Mononchroms in my opinion. I still think the Foveon has advantages in how the silicon sees the full color spectrum at each level (to influence the monochrome conversion) and is just unique and "better" to me, but the M10 Monochrom is the first Monochrom that I would 100% jump to if I could over my M240.
My wife got me the Monochrom for our anniversary and I absolutely love it. Little does she know I got her the MP for Christmas, which we'll both share 😏
Love the idea! But not for that price man. The 9k could get me a used medium format camera system and adapt a bunch of lenses to it AND a film Leica with a bucket of film :P
I just got a used M10M. They’re getting cheaper now. I discovered it takes some knowledge of the camera to get the most out of it though. I thought I could ignore some advice about the M10M, but they were right about saving the highlights. This is the most fun I ever had learning a new camera.
oh shiiiiiet, this camera is even better than the M10-D M10 Monochrom is probably not as close to a analog experience as the M10-D, since its just really a B&W camera. At this point, you have to find a M10-R to try it out!!
Regarding the Epson RD-1 which uses a Voigtlander Bessa body... why not just buy a Voigtlander Bessa, some film processing equipment and a decent scanner or heck, a scanning attachment to a DSLR/EVIL?
@@whoschrischu too many people just need everything to be absolutely perfectly tailored for their ergonomic comfort and their imaginary intricacies of handling equipment, instead of just taking pictures :P
Limitations shlimitations M10m is a pure joy to use. For some. But seriously wanna great bnw and high iso try Nikon d850 it will get a decent image up to 13k-ish iso especially in bnw as many many other cams. Using Leica is a bit ironic: you start really understanding the power of limitations by spending a ton on a body that is barebone basic and thus having an ultra high iso is what goes against the whole concept in a way. I feel that being exposed to Leica philosophy helps to appreciate pretty much any other imaging device in a different light - simply as an extension of your vision, but having Leica as an object of course could overshadow that ))
I have owned this camera since the day it came out and have never regretted it, though I can't say the same about my bank account. You are right to point out its insane low light performance, but one thing you could have also highlighted more explicitly is the dynamic range of the files it creates; you can pull shadows unlike anything I have ever used. The joy of this camera is the absolute constraint it imposes. The down side of the camera is the highlights, but that's really a technical limit as you are only working with luminance, so it is what it is. However, that's why the dynamic range matters because if you shoot like slide film where you are exposing for highlights and developing for shadows, all is well. If you are a black and white shooter, this is the camera to own.
amazing! Yeah, I should've highlighted more on its ability to pull shadow details. I probably just forgot to mention it after saying the same thing in my M10-D review. I guess that's just the feature of the M10 sensor.
I gotta admit, it was crazy seeing this happen especially when I spoke about the m10m on the other video. This was entertaining to watch. I expected the highlight issue already from another video I watched and my personal experience using digital cameras where I always tell myself to save the highlights. I wouldn't mind trying it out and would definetly own one in the near future used because 9k is pretty steep lol.
do it, m-p was my first leica, sold it because it crashed all the time, later got the 246, never got completely warm with it, sold it......now got the m10m and....i....am......in......heaven, best M i handled for far, and that quiet shutter
Leica has to be pulling the biggest cosmic joke in the photography industry. First the M10-D without a LCD screen and an average 24MP full frame sensor and now this camera with a monochrome sensor with a price tag of 9000.00 or so is ridiculous! Neither camera is for just anyone except those with lots of money or has one hell of a credit limit on their favorite credit card. I’ve never used a Leica camera but I’m aware of their years of quality in image making cameras and their skilled precision in design, so I could be way out in left field. If it’s all about that little “Red” circle Leica trademark that they are so famous for, then just give me a red sharpie pen and I’ll make my own!
The funny thing about using my Leica is that it just does its job and is impeccably built so it's just a tool that works. I have had a few Sony's, played with Fuji's and even have a Samsung NX3000 that have features galore and many many features, but, and this is a hard thing to prove without you actually using it, my M240 just feels like an extension of my arm so I can get the shots I want in a quiet and unobtrusive manner. Is it overpriced? Yes it is, but I literally haven't used anything that feels and works as well as it does. I'm 100% sure there are people that buy a Leica just because of the brand, and that's fine, but I think a lot of people discount that they are really an amazingly well built and refined design.
Chris, I own this camera. In fact, I sold my M10 M and purchased the more expensive M10 M Limited Edition. Last week I purchased the Summaron 24 3.8. That is an amazing little lens. Is it worth it? For me - yes. I feel in love with manual focus while using the Nikon Df. Shifted to Fujifilm X and hated the MF experience. Got tired of chasing the fabled Leica look using everything except a Leica. Typ 246, SL, SL2 was my first entry to the Red Dot Club. Hated the SL system. Sold the 246 and now own the M10 M, M10 R BP, and an M3. Be Blessed
I have a MP (not M-P), a M10-D and a M10-M. They each bring joy in their own way. The film and M10-d are quite similar : you always have that tension of not knowing if the picture is actually what you expected. The M10-M is different because of the back screen but I really love that it gives files that feel the same as shooting b&w film (even though the grain structure is absolutely not the same). Are they overpriced? Surely. Are they worth it? Definitely.
Beautiful results from that camera. But is it worth it. When most cameras have a monochrome setting or as you pointed out the rgb controls you have turning colour B&W. I think its all about mind set. If you go out shooting with no colour in mind. You'll find those contrasty pictures. Like how your mind switches when using colour or BW film. You just have to get in that head space. Save yourself 9k
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Leica should combine Leica M10-D and Leica m10 monochrom, that would be a perfect camera.
OOOHHH MAAAAAAN THAT WOULD BE SOOOO GOOD
I think that's called the M2
And sell it for $9999 😁
And only allow 2GB sd cards so you can take only 36 frames per card. 😄
Leica M10-D and Leica M10 monochrom with and advance lever like the one found on the Espon RD. I’d buy that combo.
As an M-D user, I think Leica with no LCD screen is much more closer to analog film style of shooting. That being said, theres something liberating about only shooting B&W. I am looking to get Q2 Mono.
Don’t expect too much fromEpson R-D1.. it’s winder just doesn’t feel right. Feels almost like kid’s toy, compare to winder on Nikon F3 or even Leica M6.
I would also agree with the sentiment. The LCD on the M10-M kills that feeling for me. Oh dang, maybe I won't get the RD-1 then...
@@whoschrischu by the way, which film camera gives you the most satisfying winding action ? For me is Nikon F3
Legit if I didn’t shoot weddings with these and was rich I’d buy a M10D and an M10M
the digital analogs. One thing I will say tho is that I don't understand how you can do weddings on rangefinders. I am absolutely STRUGGLING when it comes to shallower depth of field portraits of moving subjects
I recently delivered a fantastic wedding work where I used my M10M + M240. It was gorgeous and they’re highly satisfied. Also, I can tell you that there are shots I couldn’t have made without the M10M and no flash, which is my preferred choice… Point is: it can be used of course!
@@whoschrischuBenj is Jordan of rangefinder wedding photography. He dont miss! 😂
Love this channel, but love y'all for watching over that lady even more.
there was a really big dude behind me helping us out too. I didn't wanna turn the camera on him
I'm still using an M 246 Monochrom and I absolutely love the camera. I use it 90% of the time.
that camera is really good! All the monochrom's are
Ahh now it makes complete sense why this is Monochrom.
Bet if it was in RGB anything higher than ISO 6,400 is unusable.
This entire camera is built for low light street photography.
exactly! it's the cutting edge of monochrome photography
M10R files are clean relatively till iso 12500 iso monochrome beats it hands down but the M10R is the closest to it rendering wise so you get best of both world as well the noise pattern on both is absolutely gorgeous for digital cameras
I’ve got the Q2 mono right now and it’s fire. I really want to compare the two
I am already sensing the growing game plan to unload the Q2, save money, and getting the M10-M (*smirk*)
@@whoschrischu go for it :D you won't regret it. And it's the camera for life. What more can you demand from black and white leica camera at this point? :D
How does autofocus do on the Q2 mono in super low-light? does it have an AF lamp? I would be interested on opinions of how it compares to getting focus in low light with a rangefinder.
So much money on that table at 3:34... the things I would do...
yeah I was thinking like "holy sh**, this is a lot of cash in 4 camera bodies". felt like the most expensive deck of cards
At this point i feel like Leicas are so expensive that no photographer who uses them can actually justify the price tag. I mean, 9000 for a body? You can have a GFX with a lens for that. Or a Hassy. Or multiple Mamiyas. Or like 90 Canon AE's. Seems to me its gone past a point of "deluxe" right to "deluded" :/
I was going to cringe when you said high ISO caps at 3200/6400 in terms of cleanliness as a Nikon D3s and a D5 user but when you completed your sentence stressing the clean outputs for a 41MP camera, I totally agree! :)
I have a Fujifilm X100f with a broken screen and my camera is out of warranty so the replacement is around $400 here in India so I just use it without the screen 😂 but I can see through the viewfinder tho.. but its great when you can't see how your pictures turn out, although I put my camera on auto (just in case) because the screen is broken
dang, you got a baby M10-D then!
@@whoschrischu yeah 😂
@@TheOnlyPrashant you should do a 30 day challenge for yourself to only shoot in the ACROS simulation
@@whoschrischu yeah I was thinking the same when saw your video, might even start a youtube channel
Incredible camera. The best I could justify was the Q2 Monochrom which is very similar.
2 years on and the release of the M11m means these are now a bit more affordable. I see them going for not much more than the regular M10/ M10P. It does intrique me as I already have a M9 for colour and getting another M10 colour is just much of a muchness. But a monochrome...
leica has lost track of who and what are they making, they target the upper middle class just like every luxury brand, not cool man.
leica should make a sepia only camera next
and it should cost $14k
they should make a camera that can only shoot in 3200K color temp
and my left foot
for portait photography prabobly would be nightmare without color shifting
Alan Schaller of South Kensington who walks 20k steps
a day knows how to use the M10 Mono to great effect.
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deal.
beautiful camera! i'd love to try one day.
you should rent it! the high ISO performance is soooo good
Love that interaction with the lady in the shop ☺️
she's a boss
The dynamic range on that should be crazy! Those are some really big photosites on that 40MP sensor +great low light to! Awesome review.
I've only compared my M240 to the M246 Monochrom and as far as tonal range, I don't think there is a huge difference in tonal range between the two, but of course the M246 had an advantage in detail, but in reality, not that much in my opinion, or at least not worth the price difference for me. But in all honesty, THE BEST monochrome camera I've used is the Sigma DP2 Merrill (or any other Foveon based camera). The tonal range AND detail that my Merrill can capture is still jaw dropping to me. Yeah, you can really only shoot up to ISO 400, focus is slow, and write time is crazy long, but dammit, the files for monochrome are SO good. I know, most people talk about the Foveon for color work, but it's a very underrated BW machine.
Just a little update after reviewing some M10 Monochrom RAWs as well as shooting with my new to me, Sigma sd Quattro. This new sensor in the M10 Monochrom might be the first time I would say they are competing with a Foveon for BW work...and yes, it's MUCH MUCH better than the M240 converted and much better than the M246. I don't think it's talked about enough that this new purpose-built Mono sensor in the M10 is far superior than any older Mononchroms in my opinion. I still think the Foveon has advantages in how the silicon sees the full color spectrum at each level (to influence the monochrome conversion) and is just unique and "better" to me, but the M10 Monochrom is the first Monochrom that I would 100% jump to if I could over my M240.
It lacks a color filter array giving it higher detail retrieval than the color version. That’s probably why it’s better at low light too
true. totally forgot to mention that
Excellent camera for low light and landscape and street photography .
100% agree. I hope to do a portrait session on it one day to show off more of its tonality
My wife got me the Monochrom for our anniversary and I absolutely love it. Little does she know I got her the MP for Christmas, which we'll both share 😏
are you freaking serious. are you taking interns in this marriage? how do I get in on this all-star gift giving
@@whoschrischu I'm sorry to say that openingsfor internship are currently closed 😭
M10M is so amazing. I would love it. I guess if I were to quit bnw film it would be consideration.. but gat dam that price.
it's very cool, and I'm sure you would enjoy it to the fullest, but that price tag do be a turnoff
Definitely a camera that I would like to try out!
it's so insane. The "noise" looks straight up like natural grain, and the tonality (when exposed correctly) in the highlight is soooo beautiful
Love the idea! But not for that price man. The 9k could get me a used medium format camera system and adapt a bunch of lenses to it AND a film Leica with a bucket of film :P
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to afford a Leica 🥲
you say that now....
Night vision is unrivaled for sure 🤯
bonkers dude. I've never seen camera noise look like natural grain before
M11M coming next week??
Leica's B&W are just amazing
indeeeeed
Shooting with a camera that shoots exclusively in Black and White is a very liberating experience. 🙏🏽
I just got a used M10M. They’re getting cheaper now. I discovered it takes some knowledge of the camera to get the most out of it though. I thought I could ignore some advice about the M10M, but they were right about saving the highlights. This is the most fun I ever had learning a new camera.
oh shiiiiiet, this camera is even better than the M10-D
M10 Monochrom is probably not as close to a analog experience as the M10-D, since its just really a B&W camera.
At this point, you have to find a M10-R to try it out!!
If you trichrome it you can shoot in color XD
yeah just add two more channels in there, no biggie
just use the neural colorisation filter from photoshop
@@Anonymous-iw4hx that work´s too
As a Monochrom shooter it’s hard to explain to people why you only shoot black and white and why you shoot with such an expensive camera
Been on a tear with the uploads 🔥
I'm just trying to be inspirational like you, Braxton
I have both the M10D and the M10Monochrom. They both offer a different quasi analog experience
True, @BenjHaisch doesn't have one (yet) though he is testing out the Q2 Monochrom. Great video! I am very tempted to give one a try...
Benj will definitely make his way towards this camera soon enough! The M10-M is worth the try, man!
That iso performance though 🤯also shout out to the pocky next to all those leicas 😏
ISO GOAT! I was def feeling snacky during the review xD
The M246 is a good option for BW photography, and half the price of the M10mono
M-D (262) > M10D
Regarding the Epson RD-1 which uses a Voigtlander Bessa body... why not just buy a Voigtlander Bessa, some film processing equipment and a decent scanner or heck, a scanning attachment to a DSLR/EVIL?
that's what I'm saying too, but people like digital + analog hybrids
@@whoschrischu too many people just need everything to be absolutely perfectly tailored for their ergonomic comfort and their imaginary intricacies of handling equipment, instead of just taking pictures :P
Waiting for $10000 Leica M-11 that can’t shoot at all!
Man, that intro was so wholesome
she was hilarious!!
Absolutely price prohibitive, sigh...
Limitations shlimitations M10m is a pure joy to use. For some. But seriously wanna great bnw and high iso try Nikon d850 it will get a decent image up to 13k-ish iso especially in bnw as many many other cams. Using Leica is a bit ironic: you start really understanding the power of limitations by spending a ton on a body that is barebone basic and thus having an ultra high iso is what goes against the whole concept in a way. I feel that being exposed to Leica philosophy helps to appreciate pretty much any other imaging device in a different light - simply as an extension of your vision, but having Leica as an object of course could overshadow that ))
you can't get a file like that in any other camera. They can be either better as you can adjust rgb sliders or shit compared to this one :)
I have owned this camera since the day it came out and have never regretted it, though I can't say the same about my bank account. You are right to point out its insane low light performance, but one thing you could have also highlighted more explicitly is the dynamic range of the files it creates; you can pull shadows unlike anything I have ever used. The joy of this camera is the absolute constraint it imposes. The down side of the camera is the highlights, but that's really a technical limit as you are only working with luminance, so it is what it is. However, that's why the dynamic range matters because if you shoot like slide film where you are exposing for highlights and developing for shadows, all is well. If you are a black and white shooter, this is the camera to own.
amazing! Yeah, I should've highlighted more on its ability to pull shadow details. I probably just forgot to mention it after saying the same thing in my M10-D review. I guess that's just the feature of the M10 sensor.
Well, you were very positive on the camera despite its ultra niche clientele. M11 coming in January so who knows what that will bring.
If I had to choose only one camera, I’d sell everything else and keep this one and my phone.
I'd be just happy with a Q2 mono
4:48
Fuji’s have a mode called dr400 that retains highlights. Wished leica did the same.
Nice review!! Absolutely no regrets with my M10M, love shooting with it!
Just discovered your channel. Love it; love your commentary and style. For me, the monochrom is the closest to me and Tri-x.
For me, M10 monochrome is a go for M series. For Color photo, SL would be better option for me.
I gotta admit, it was crazy seeing this happen especially when I spoke about the m10m on the other video. This was entertaining to watch. I expected the highlight issue already from another video I watched and my personal experience using digital cameras where I always tell myself to save the highlights. I wouldn't mind trying it out and would definetly own one in the near future used because 9k is pretty steep lol.
hi Chris,
Love your monochrom gradation. Is it straight from camera or using raw processing?
keep shooting!
That lady in the store seemed so cool.
Have the Q2M, but miss the experience I had with the 246 I traded in for it. So close to trading the Q back in for the M10M.
do it, m-p was my first leica, sold it because it crashed all the time, later got the 246, never got completely warm with it, sold it......now got the m10m and....i....am......in......heaven, best M i handled for far, and that quiet shutter
Leica has to be pulling the biggest cosmic joke in the photography industry. First the M10-D without a LCD screen and an average 24MP full frame sensor and now this camera with a monochrome sensor with a price tag of 9000.00 or so is ridiculous! Neither camera is for just anyone except those with lots of money or has one hell of a credit limit on their favorite credit card. I’ve never used a Leica camera but I’m aware of their years of quality in image making cameras and their skilled precision in design, so I could be way out in left field. If it’s all about that little “Red” circle Leica trademark that they are so famous for, then just give me a red sharpie pen and I’ll make my own!
The funny thing about using my Leica is that it just does its job and is impeccably built so it's just a tool that works. I have had a few Sony's, played with Fuji's and even have a Samsung NX3000 that have features galore and many many features, but, and this is a hard thing to prove without you actually using it, my M240 just feels like an extension of my arm so I can get the shots I want in a quiet and unobtrusive manner. Is it overpriced? Yes it is, but I literally haven't used anything that feels and works as well as it does.
I'm 100% sure there are people that buy a Leica just because of the brand, and that's fine, but I think a lot of people discount that they are really an amazingly well built and refined design.
Even when you buy one you might feel like that for weeks, once you get used to it :D you figure out that there are digital cameras and a leica :)
Wow! That is a BEAST!
Was thinking about picking this up thanks bro!!! 🥛
let's go shoot sometime!
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@@mirandaisergio you a hooper?
@@whoschrischu been known to hoop 😏 little washed tho 😩
I eliminated Option paralysis by selling everything and getting my Leica Q a couple years ago, have never looked back!
yessir!!!! a one camera setup is STRONG
@@whoschrischu I'm in love with the Q, such a versatile camera!
what's your go to focal 28 or 35 for street.
go-to is 28, but I've been experimenting with 21
Bahahahaha thanks for the shout 😂
absolutely, Lord Haisch
That night vision is a game changer
I didn't see too many people review that in other videos, so I had to highlight that!
Where did you get all that dough G?
working hard errday
Wow, what a great video, Chris!
Thanks for watching!!! I appreciate it much
Mennnnn this is art 🖼
is this the greatest power in the universe?
BRO!! Stranger things vibes at 6:40 😍
yup sir!!!!
@@whoschrischu woops 5:20 * HAHAHA
I have the M10 monochrom. Worth every penny!
CHA-CHING
every single one
Great video 🔥
Thanks so much!!
yo this camera crazy
dude it's kinda OD! I enjoyed my time with it for sure
Magnifique
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Chris, I own this camera. In fact, I sold my M10 M and purchased the more expensive M10 M Limited Edition. Last week I purchased the Summaron 24 3.8. That is an amazing little lens. Is it worth it? For me - yes. I feel in love with manual focus while using the Nikon Df. Shifted to Fujifilm X and hated the MF experience. Got tired of chasing the fabled Leica look using everything except a Leica. Typ 246, SL, SL2 was my first entry to the Red Dot Club. Hated the SL system. Sold the 246 and now own the M10 M, M10 R BP, and an M3. Be Blessed
I have a MP (not M-P), a M10-D and a M10-M. They each bring joy in their own way. The film and M10-d are quite similar : you always have that tension of not knowing if the picture is actually what you expected. The M10-M is different because of the back screen but I really love that it gives files that feel the same as shooting b&w film (even though the grain structure is absolutely not the same). Are they overpriced? Surely. Are they worth it? Definitely.
Beautiful results from that camera. But is it worth it. When most cameras have a monochrome setting or as you pointed out the rgb controls you have turning colour B&W. I think its all about mind set. If you go out shooting with no colour in mind. You'll find those contrasty pictures. Like how your mind switches when using colour or BW film. You just have to get in that head space. Save yourself 9k