Building Battleships as EAGLE???

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024

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  • @JaxOf7
    @JaxOf7 Год назад +146

    "CONGRATULATIONS
    YOUR BATTLESHIP HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY CREATED"
    (Eagle suddenly gains weight and an admiral cap)

  • @jeremiefabre2220
    @jeremiefabre2220 Год назад +69

    Mangs intro for the match : "Did you guys know that you can acces DoR style battleships on AWBY ?"
    Proceeds to show a match where no battleship moves from a port :D
    Amazing match, as always!

  • @artemi7
    @artemi7 Год назад +71

    By my count, that Battleship cost Eagle over $70k+ over this game. He could have gotten a LOT of Battle Copters, Tanks, and a Bomber or two for that price.

  • @ShawFujikawa
    @ShawFujikawa Год назад +80

    Forward ports that an attacking player can use for a battleship turret are a very handy tool for mapmakers who want to prevent players from stalling on a weak flank. Some of y'all might want to keep that in mind if you're making a map for the contest!

  • @andreiiglesia2813
    @andreiiglesia2813 Год назад +22

    The RA2 music gave me nostalgia, esp. with the low graphic strategy game playing. Its RA2 but turn based lol

  • @Nemer49994
    @Nemer49994 Год назад +113

    20% of a B.Ship is 5600 G. That's more than 25% of Kantbei's income each time a SCOP or copter hits it. To compensate the ship would need to destroy an entire arty each turn.

    • @Dragonite43
      @Dragonite43 Год назад +8

      I feel like a cruiser would've helped Eagle more, as he had no way to counter the Battlecopters.

    • @mrlaz9011
      @mrlaz9011 Год назад +21

      but cruisers are absolutely wimpy, even against battle copters

    • @SproingBoing
      @SproingBoing Год назад +4

      @@mrlaz9011 especially Eagle cruisers

    • @robbylawlor4259
      @robbylawlor4259 Год назад +17

      Yeah it was definitely a lowkey throw. I remember watching a Deejus replay review where the exact same thing happened, just this pesky BCopter firing away at a Battleship stuck on a port turn after turn. Ridiculous economic damage.

    • @InternetMonster1
      @InternetMonster1 Год назад +2

      @@Dragonite43 Not playing DoR. Cruisers lose against battlecopters in AW 2.

  • @junkszy912
    @junkszy912 Год назад +21

    Honestly Kantbei's battleship hurt him more than it helped him. Since all it really did was push Monty back into a more defensive position that he was eventually going to do and force him to build infantry at that base every turn. Why also costing him 5600 every time a bcop attacked it or a winter fury went off. While Monty's battleship made Kantbei waste multiple units turn to take it down.

  • @IntrepidMercenary
    @IntrepidMercenary Год назад +19

    Take a shot every time Mangs says "maneuver."

  • @arpitrohilla285
    @arpitrohilla285 Год назад +19

    I like how Deejus has confused all of us into calling anti air artillery

  • @flukenchrome9259
    @flukenchrome9259 Год назад +32

    Weird stuff like this usually only happens in Rivendell

  • @LoonieMoonie777
    @LoonieMoonie777 Год назад +27

    Love long replays great for passing time!

  • @subbie-eye
    @subbie-eye Год назад +40

    Since I am studying higher level games (both are at least 1200s, so they are learning advanced level play) and this is a new one, here's my point analysis:
    Part 1 (to 28:00)
    1:12 Kantbei maintains alts based on the mode he plays. Kantbae is his standard-focused alt, but I like your interpretation better.
    1:38 Wacky openings is probably why many don't like this map. A lot of variations, but only a few that reliably work, and you need to know why. Not as intuitive as some other maps like Celeste.
    2:25 A 5k investment in a transport can sometimes OK, but it is the subsequent use of the T Copter that is questionable on this map. This map is not large, your infantry will take 3 turns to reached the comm tower and other contested areas, so a T Copter is not exactly value adding. It is also standard so your foe can see it and punish it too. Labs are just there to give terrain bonuses. You can plonk an arty there (esp as Lash) to hold the line or just defend a capping infantry on the mountain property. Could be countered against a B Copter, but if you use it to lure, you can get some good plays.
    5:22 Sacrifice plays are something I have been looking into. Risky though so you must be certain it will work. As far as I know, it is only with Eagle that you want to consider this as a first possibility? With other COs, ehhh, you might face issues.
    9:43 I remember Kantbei telling me as much about the city skip when I was reviewing my game on this map. I need to pull up that comment again and assess, something about funding curves or contested properties in this case. I think it works here based on planning.
    10:59 Keen to see how artillery is planned for and used here.
    13:24 Recommend this too. It also complicates move plannering.
    21:10 It looks wack, but both players are at the level where some level of personal experimentation is not only permissive, it is also required.
    24:15 "Battle Shipters"

  • @napalmcannon2513
    @napalmcannon2513 Год назад +20

    I thought Eagle had it in the bag, but damn those were some brutal Winter Furies that won it

  • @adrianjsf
    @adrianjsf Год назад +19

    I have to say this was an amazing game to watch. Really interesting and cool and unorthodox plays

  • @onEmEmbErstudios
    @onEmEmbErstudios Год назад +5

    "Battleshiper"
    A flying battleship, 380000 funds, move: 6 blocks, attack range: 2 - 5

  • @ptolemaicfoxxo3032
    @ptolemaicfoxxo3032 Год назад +5

    The music threw me off so much, for a second i thought i was watching a C&C youtuber in the background lol

  • @mathblitz2994
    @mathblitz2994 Год назад +6

    Saw the title, saw the players, and my immediate reaction was "kantbei you asshole"

  • @sheauwn6974
    @sheauwn6974 Год назад +15

    Glad to see a game finally utilizing Battleshipters

  • @privategallade9120
    @privategallade9120 Год назад +10

    🥚

  • @empersian1234
    @empersian1234 3 месяца назад +2

    Been binging your videos lately as I recently got back into AW2, which was a childhood fave for me, and I just love the description of units harassing other units 🤣 idk why it just makes me chuckle
    And Eagle just being absolutely broken with the double turn has always been one of my favorite thigns

  • @musoumiko4730
    @musoumiko4730 Год назад +9

    I love how even when its bae insted of bei he still says bye. I almost didn't even notice the player's play on words with kantbae vs kanbei if it weren't for Mangs' iron will with his gimmick.

  • @mr.s.i6642
    @mr.s.i6642 Год назад +4

    I stomped Eagle in frostleaf as olaf because of that he got lightning strike before my winter fury.he popped it straight away bcz if he Didn't next turn I would use my scop.that lightning strike did nothing

  • @TS6815
    @TS6815 Год назад +27

    As a Michigander I'm happy to see we get a map named after us! Is there any sort of story behind the name that you're aware of?

  • @fieryhood4895
    @fieryhood4895 Год назад +8

    I know that most players in this game would rather die in real life by setting themselfs on fire than build a missile, but i think that in this case it would be a good value. Kantbae already had a battleship so why not? Put a missle behind it and let it cover the area from helicopters so the ship can move into the sea and push the enemy back, instead of just shooting infantry and being repaired constantly.

    • @gabraeld
      @gabraeld Год назад

      But then you're throwing 40k in two units, both of which are very vulnerable and only one of which is marginally useful. The missile can be got easily at the slightest mispositioning by a sacrificial bcopter, and then your bship is vulnerable again AND you traded 12k for 9k.
      Add to that the travel time for the missile (two turns to get in position), the fact it has no flexibility at all, and that you *could* instead get two bcopters and a freakin' bomber for the same amount, and yeah... Getting a missile to cover the bship is really more akin to throwing good money after bad than anything else.
      You might even call it... a sunk cost fallacy. 8-)

    • @fieryhood4895
      @fieryhood4895 Год назад

      @@gabraeld Yea, the best decision would be to not build that battleship at all. No ship, no missile, a lot of money for airforce. But he did built it and wasn't even trying to protect from helicopters untill the very end, and lost more than 40k on repairs alone.

  • @Cyraxslayer666
    @Cyraxslayer666 Год назад +5

    Great game. Think kantbae was looking to cap the hq, Using lightning strike to take out anything near the hq and using the overwhelming amount of infantry in the middle to block.

  • @helivarpalac2956
    @helivarpalac2956 Год назад +2

    I wanna see a Dual Strike Eagle in a competitive match~ (if it can be allowed, just out of curiosity lol)

  • @TheFinalChapters
    @TheFinalChapters Год назад +11

    So, the double winter fury hurt Eagle significantly. If you look at the unit value, Olaf had about 40% more value for several turns there.
    As such, Kantbae was pushing the envelope as much as possible, using lightning strike to threaten his opponent without actually using it, in the hopes that he would be able to turn things around when he eventually would use it. At this point, this was his last lightning strike anyway, so he needed to get as many units built as possible before using it.
    Unfortunately for him, he underestimated Olaf's ability to get Winter Fury that last turn (perhaps because of the battle copter sacking?), and that was the end.

  • @ScrambledAndBenedict
    @ScrambledAndBenedict Год назад +8

    Almost every one of your videos you'll explain how effective repairs are but begin with "Normally repairs are bad but--". I like how you're finally just admitting that repairs are worth it :D

    • @ScrambledAndBenedict
      @ScrambledAndBenedict Год назад

      @@leonidasrose2060 More than anything I'm just teasing him a bit. He's actually been really clear on his stance on repairs from the beginning, that they're good when you can get them but don't pull a unit back out of the fray for 5 days to get them, which I more or less agree with. It's just one of those things he does a lot, so when he does it you're like "he's doing it lol"

    • @ScrambledAndBenedict
      @ScrambledAndBenedict Год назад

      @@leonidasrose2060 To be fair, so many RUclips comments are pure poison it's honestly a fair assumption to just assume someone is just being a cock when their tone is uncertain lol

  • @Amoth_oth_ras_shash
    @Amoth_oth_ras_shash Год назад +3

    the CC music makes this 163% better ^^
    hmm..i'd also wonder if the player base hate this map more..or lees..if you replaced the lab..with a harbour

  • @lxdnd
    @lxdnd Год назад +5

    I’ve noticed in other videos you like starcraft musics.
    So
    Shall we call you
    Emperor Arcturus Mangsk ?

    • @broyOfThisGym
      @broyOfThisGym Год назад +2

      Emperor Eggturus Mangsk is better, I think

  • @aardappelgang6335
    @aardappelgang6335 Год назад +3

    WHERE IS THE HALLÓ the video is just not the same without it

  • @CuddlyTheMadElite
    @CuddlyTheMadElite Год назад +2

    3 Eagle B Copters attacking your Battleship.
    Can’t have shit in Detroit.

  • @robinbrown6530
    @robinbrown6530 Год назад +2

    Eagle Battleships are nothing next to Indirect Bombers. Thank god Flak is banned in the Global league. Maybe after this game they will consider banning Eagle for his broken Battleships.
    ok maybe that was too much sarcasm for the internet but idc. :D

  • @audiosurfarchive
    @audiosurfarchive Год назад +6

    Absolutely insane, and magnificently played game on both sides. Craziness, loved it.

  • @arms1991
    @arms1991 Год назад +2

    I prefer days of ruins, because I hate this ridiculous strategy of spamming infantry in olds advance wars

  • @Litterbugtaylor
    @Litterbugtaylor Год назад +2

    I know that background music is from command and conquer but I can't pinpoint which one it is

  • @hadoukenfighter
    @hadoukenfighter Год назад +2

    as soon as i saw this title i yelled "HELLO? BASED DEPARTMENT?"

  • @Helga-of-Skadi
    @Helga-of-Skadi 5 месяцев назад +1

    I find the idea that Eagle stole Drake's hat to make a joke hilarious.

  • @hirobray7142
    @hirobray7142 Год назад +2

    A really great game, but that was a very dissapointing ending

  • @Scraxivele
    @Scraxivele Год назад +3

    wow an hour long video of a great match just to watch Kant just throw in the end. Very cool xD.

  • @RDG99
    @RDG99 Год назад +2

    Man Red Alert 2 music is such a banger

  • @TheBlueraid
    @TheBlueraid Год назад +3

    Just wait till they start deploying carriers!

  • @coldwintersknight9793
    @coldwintersknight9793 Год назад +4

    The naval changes, especially to battleships, is why i love days of ruin.

  • @Sh1penfire
    @Sh1penfire 2 месяца назад +1

    19:25
    Eagle loaded into a battlecopter DoR style would be funny
    Turns battlecopter into a bomber

  • @LetustheDragon
    @LetustheDragon Год назад +2

    55:14 I think the reason Kantbae didn't pop Winter Fury was because he was playing Eagle...

  • @mnkyfly
    @mnkyfly Год назад +2

    Day 11 of asking mangs to play warbits

  • @bf229
    @bf229 Год назад +3

    C&C music is *chef kiss*

  • @AxidoDE
    @AxidoDE Год назад +1

    Totally love the Red Alert 2 soundtrack in the background.

  • @PICADALOL
    @PICADALOL Год назад +2

    I love these videos!!!

  • @josephgarcia8209
    @josephgarcia8209 Год назад +2

    16:18 But Mangs, if the game ends due to turn count, the lab counts as a captured property. The player with the most captured properties would win.

    • @Mangs1337
      @Mangs1337  Год назад +2

      There's no turn limit in the global league. If there is, labs do not count.

  • @WabaStreams
    @WabaStreams Год назад +2

    Overal Kantbae I think lost because he had too many Infanty (i know controversal statment) but considering the attacking units Monty had usually pairs of Anti-air Tank and occasional Arty. compared to 5 infantry and 1 tank. He wasnt matching his opponents power at all. The battle copters sure could have swung the battle but Monty was countering perfectly with Anti airs that serve'd two purposes. Ward away B-copters and ward away the amas of infantry. I think if Kantbae instead of a battleship got a bomber we would have had a much closer match if not a potential winning move. And yes Olaf would have countered with a fighter eventually. But if he had matched tank for tank and anti-air for anti-air that Blue moon fighter would have had a tough go of getting to the bomber.
    The biggest thing that probably lost him the match was indeed the meme battleship. Tho it was a good move in theory it only acted as a super ranged arty in power. Every 2HP drain cost him almost 6K every turn in additon to the few turns Blue had that property in the bottom left captured.
    Btw mangz 20% done easy. move the decimal x2. 28000 goes to 2800 (10%), and then x2 its basicallly 3000X2. So 6000 - 400. so..yeah thats 5600 funds being drained every turn. That b-copter harrassment even if it got shot down right after, almost earned itself in!

  • @magicrap5243
    @magicrap5243 Год назад +2

    guys imagine live advance wars tournaments irl with commentators

  • @thebrazillianguytm2186
    @thebrazillianguytm2186 Год назад +2

    BATTLE SHITTERS XD

  • @markberghel275
    @markberghel275 Год назад +2

    Praise to he who decided the soundtrack for this video should be pulled from the greatest RTS game of all time, Red Alert 2.😍

  • @ManaNek
    @ManaNek Год назад +1

    I love Michigan Maneuver actually. I’ve had lots of whacky matches there 😊

  • @NX101
    @NX101 Год назад +2

    Yooooooo! Red Alert 2 BGM

  • @coolaconsole8649
    @coolaconsole8649 Год назад +2

    It is really interesting how you can see that each player's armies become exhausted over time.
    At a point, they get close to 150k, but that nearly halves after the big push

  • @matdio4578
    @matdio4578 Год назад +1

    Give me Famicom wars battle ships and we will talk

  • @UmbreonMessiah
    @UmbreonMessiah Год назад +2

    I've been trying to get into Advance Wars By Web thanks to you Mangs, but I find myself struggling. I feel like I am not learning anything and I'm getting destroyed seemingly every game. It's quite disheartening and I'm starting to lose some of the desire to play...but watching you upload stuff like this makes me think it could still work out.

    • @mininini1451
      @mininini1451 Год назад

      It's definitely a hard game to get good at.

    • @audiosurfarchive
      @audiosurfarchive Год назад +4

      Insane skill ceiling and huge gulf in skill player to player; not to mention, a la OG Doom, serious players have literally had 20 years to git gud. Don't be discouraged, as hard as that seems.

    • @Mori650
      @Mori650 Год назад

      I'm a nooblet who has yet to play his first match. My username is AppleKappa on AWBW, add me if you want a practice partner who is guaranteed to be completely lost and clueless.

    • @UmbreonMessiah
      @UmbreonMessiah Год назад +1

      @@audiosurfarchive That was literally the thing I needed to hear. Thank you

  • @disc06
    @disc06 Год назад +2

    Well Battleships should have rooms for eagles to make their home.

  • @getshulked7057
    @getshulked7057 Год назад +1

    If the dude fixes the site for free, please be nice to him :(

  • @awzumzap3634
    @awzumzap3634 Год назад +2

    The title has me timbers, shivered

  • @subbie-eye
    @subbie-eye Год назад +9

    Part 2 (to end)
    33:21 Here it is!
    36:08 Smart move. It looks passive, but it covers the key areas and then asserts the attack.
    40:41 AGAIN
    46:28 Kantbei's 2b is looking very weak.
    47:14 Funds damage from repairs can ruin build plans significantly.
    48:05 It's not just that the power is too far off, his machine units are also not strong enough to make decisive kills too, which really impacts LS's effectiveness. All the funds damage (5.6k per turn off 18k, which basically goes from 1 tank 1 bcopter 2 infantry to just... well, 1 b copter 2 infantry with change, less impressive) on the battleship will deny him vehicles that could have channelled into a LS push.
    49:52 ANOTHER ONE
    51:17 I would say Kantbei can have reasonable confidence in his play here. Literally 3-1 advantage.
    51:43 Nah, there is a shoal there that allows for free vehicle movement. I think he wants to preserve AA in view of the 2 tanks. If it is regarding the SW property, I don't think anything threatens it, so nothing to reinforce there...
    52:47 Which failed.
    53:09 That B Copter is a very strategic one. It may not win any tactical engagements, but wars are won by moves like this in coordination with others, especially on a map like Michigan Manouevre.
    54:22 Understandable. He has few funds to build more units, and while infantry is useful, this composition is very infantry heavy, which does not favour Lightning strike and is countered hard by almost all unit types.

  • @rebeccasheng620
    @rebeccasheng620 Год назад +2

    39:55 The reason Kantbae joined is to create a wall because if that 3hp inf died there will be complicaiton maybe the anti-air will reach the copter

    • @gabraeld
      @gabraeld Год назад

      Anti-air couldn't have reached the bcopter (7 tiles away), but I think what Kantbei saw was that the further AA on the left could've gotten the 8hp inf, then the tank gotten first strike on the tank in the forest, and then you've got 2 AA's threatening your bcopter in the middle, your tank is down to 2/3hp, and you've very little to reinforce (only one tank on a city on the left and an AA on the comm tower to the right) against 2 AA'S, 1 (maybe 2) tanks and 2 bcopters, forcing you to pull back and shift your whole front or risk getting overwhelmed.
      But this is just what I see.

  • @HippieInHeart
    @HippieInHeart Год назад +3

    >this is a long game
    >expecting 1+ hours
    >video is actually about the same length as all the others i've seen from you
    lol

  • @MisterVercetti
    @MisterVercetti Год назад +3

    We need fanart of the legendary Battleshipter, stat!

  • @Ace-UY
    @Ace-UY Год назад +1

    i see mangs is a fan of red alert 2 music.

  • @SpetsnazStevens
    @SpetsnazStevens Год назад +1

    I don't know why, but Mangs consistently going "Om nom nom nom nom nom nom" makes me chuckle every damn time its basically my new favorite way of describing kills when playing either AWBW or my own Tabletop games like Horus Heresy or something lol

  • @Gatitasecsii
    @Gatitasecsii Год назад +2

    What a treat mangs, this was so much fun to watch!

  • @drabash
    @drabash Год назад +1

    red alert 2 in the intro? classic

  • @lexclouds7562
    @lexclouds7562 Год назад +1

    RA soundtrack??...!!!

  • @epicnerf1
    @epicnerf1 Год назад +1

    Being from Detroit, Michigan, I approve of this strategy and can definitely say Kantbei might be from Michigan due to how Michigan this strategy is.

  • @CharadeTV
    @CharadeTV 4 месяца назад +1

    Well played from monty

  • @blackdragoncyrus
    @blackdragoncyrus Год назад +1

    They're called ports.

  • @amaurystengel
    @amaurystengel Год назад +1

    I wasn't expecting to like this match so much! I couldn't tell who'd win right until the last couple of turns! I could swear the battleships that Monty built were massive blunders that would cost him the match. I couldn't believe my eyes when the power pressure suddenly changed from one player to the other.

  • @subbie-eye
    @subbie-eye Год назад +1

    24:15 "Battle Shipters"

  • @tmr3volver
    @tmr3volver Год назад +1

    Oh baby, a triple!

  • @Rad343
    @Rad343 Год назад +1

    RA2 Music??? *rock on*

  • @SN1PERx64
    @SN1PERx64 Год назад +1

    C&C music very appropriate for high level global league. Love it here

  • @mosshunter4120
    @mosshunter4120 Год назад +1

    I think kantbae joined units together on that snow turn so he could afford to buy infantry, because he was very broke at the start of the turn.

  • @TheBikeOnTheMoon
    @TheBikeOnTheMoon Год назад +1

    I wonder if it's possible for the web to make battle ship and carriers works like in Day of ruin

  • @yoavhayun4590
    @yoavhayun4590 Год назад +1

    Battleshifters, the famous action cartoon series from the 80's.

  • @AnthonyGii
    @AnthonyGii Год назад +1

    BATTLESHIPTERS!

  • @SproingBoing
    @SproingBoing Год назад +1

    Eagle Battleship spoiler? More like the *_BEST_* hook to get me to watch the whole thing!

  • @StarFlash250
    @StarFlash250 Год назад +1

    Oh nonononono pepelaugh

  • @xelius2683
    @xelius2683 Год назад +1

    Mangs after watching too many Deejus videos 38:48

  • @inugalazerozone6156
    @inugalazerozone6156 Год назад +1

    Even if it's two hours, I would still sit down to watch XD

  • @ianleather5699
    @ianleather5699 Год назад +1

    Eagle's Naval commander design be looking sick B )

  • @bladebladerz93
    @bladebladerz93 Год назад +1

    Loe Red Alert BGM you use are absolute bangger!!!!

  • @hammerheadgoc9777
    @hammerheadgoc9777 Год назад

    Watching you say 'omg he built another battleship' in .25 speed was wonderful.

  • @skelehedron3070
    @skelehedron3070 Год назад +1

    Having lived in Michigan my entire life, yet I still don't get the name of this map.

    • @germmanator
      @germmanator Год назад +1

      I suppose just aliteration

  • @aphato2770
    @aphato2770 Год назад +1

    "I expect this video to be a 1 plus hour"

  • @Raelcun
    @Raelcun Год назад +1

    At around 40 minutes, I think he joined the infantry because he had an empty base and not enough to build an infantry. What you're saying about joining not being bad against Olaf is true, but I think it's also even better because it allowed him to get out an extra full health unit and not skip building anything from the base.

    • @gabraeld
      @gabraeld Год назад

      Not entirely. He joins three times there. Two times he shoves a 3hp infantry into an 8hp infantry, and once he shoves 8hp into another 8hp. He has 700¢, so the two 3hp folds would only give him 200¢ together, while the 8hp alone gave him 600¢, so more than enough.
      Since he did the two 300¢ joins first, it's possible he was trying to get the 300¢ he was missing, did the two joins for 100¢ each, then realised the only join he had left was the 8hp. But considering his level, I think the two 3hp joins were for tactical reasons to prevent a wall break, and the 8hp join was the only one done for income reasons.

  • @somewackoonyoutube2449
    @somewackoonyoutube2449 Год назад

    Drake: I am great with battleships
    Eagle: I’m about to end this man’s whole career

  • @justabluedream
    @justabluedream 2 месяца назад

    Playing RA2 music as you commentate makes you a real one

  • @jafergaming1329
    @jafergaming1329 Год назад +1

    I didn't expect to hear C&C music here

  • @Dragonite43
    @Dragonite43 Год назад +1

    An Olaf game? YES PLEASE! :D

  • @ryandugan9176
    @ryandugan9176 Год назад +1

    Thanks for casting this game. This was an epic watch.

  • @SonicFanDU
    @SonicFanDU Год назад +1

    Eagle & his battleshifters!

  • @yokoshi1
    @yokoshi1 11 месяцев назад

    "lets watch that again" how about no, just keep goin 3: