Maryland’s Catherine Hoggle case: Mom charged, kids still missing
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2020
- Every day Maryland father Troy Turner wakes up to the same nightmare: Two of his precious children are missing. And the one person who could potentially solve the case is not helping. From 2018, with UPDATES: bit.ly/2HMOLKL
There are 2 distinct possibilities:
1. Either she killed them or
2. She definitely killed them.
@@TammyLP the little boy went missing before the girl...so she was going at them one at a time
She could’ve sold them
@@taraji_b that’s exactly wat I thought
Unfortunately I'm afraid this is right
@@taraji_b someone wouldve seen them and the oldest is old enough to know who the parents are even if he kept quiet eventually that secret would be exposed
I kind of feel like if the roles were reversed he would be sitting in jail charged with two counts of first degree murder. I feel so bad for this dad. I couldn't imagine going through this and knowing the court is failing him
Edit: The two murder charges were dropped because the 5 year period to convict her passed. The judge ordered her to remain in detention at the maximum-security psychiatric hospital where she has been since her arrest nearly eight years ago. They also say the state reserves the right to charge her again if she is ever released. Pretty ridiculous she is not found to be competent to stand trial.
For sure, without a doubt he would have already in jail... just going by past examples...
She is in jail on 2 charges of murder and as of February 2020 she is appealing. I live in Maryland and our court searches are free and public so I looked her name up
@cosmosspring what "claim?"
@@cosmokramer5055 thank gosh. She deserves to rot in jail for her entire life
@cosmosspring Bruh they were giving their opinion, you can't really give any sources that lol
Update: As of 2022, she was still deemed incompetent to stand trial and her charges were dropped. I am heart broken for this father.
The fact that the two kids went missing at separate times is even worse because it means she did what she did the first time and had time to regret it and admit guilt but instead she goes and does it again. Zero regret zero remorse. Complete monster.
She obviously had her plans in place and carried through with them, for whatever reason... people with "mental disorders" are very capable of deception and some also have a higher than average IQ.... unfortunately for a lot of "normal or the average", person... Most people are not capable of cold blooded murder, or just getting rid of their own children or family... Seems to be happening a lot more, in society these days.... but it may only be that because of the media, we hear about it more often and our planet is becoming so over populated with tons and tons of illegal immigrants on the move... 😢😥😭Sad sad world 🙏🙏🙏
EVIL🤬
noone even knows for sure if the daughter was even in her rmor alive that night the dad came home?! Soooo many unanswered questions here. its all just sad. why ppldo shit like this when SOMEONE wouldve taken those kids n loved them IF she couldnt?! i really dont get shit like this?! like at least the ones who kill themselves after makes a bit more sense. like they didnt want ANYONE to have the kids BUT them! but in these types of cases it REALLY makes NO damn sense?! uuughghghghh
You can see it in her face that she is mentally ill... poor babies
To the grandmother, then where are they,if you seriously think 5hey are safe..?
If the grandmother says she knows where the kids are and that they are alive, shouldn't they charge her with aiding a criminal or obstruction... something.
Exactly.
@villfer78 Not true.
she didnt say she knew where they were, she said she thinks they're safe, and not hurt..
Agree. Arrest her and put her in jail until she talks. After all she knows where they are
I call bullshit or its possible she knows they are dead
@villfer78 you sound jealous? And what an asinine comment anyway.
She cut her hair to try to avoid recognition. That is a premeditated act by someone who knows exactly what they are doing.
Definitely true
@K. N People with schizophrenia are usually paranoid already ad that to her seeing a wanted poster of herself and of course she would evade the police, they're also capable of planning. I'm not excusing whatever she did with the kids but just explaining that evading authorities or others is pretty common behavior for schizophrenics.
@K. N She might have had the where with all to carry out her plan but that doesn't mean she wasn't having a psychotic break. Schizophrenia runs in my family and I've experienced psychotic breaks where I've done illegal shit. It's hard to explain but I knew what I was doing well enough to plan it out in advance and evade the police but I was still very much out of my mind and could have killed someone. This woman knew she was doing something illegal, I don't doubt that, but in her psychotic mind it was probably justifiable to her. I don't think she should just get away with her crime based on her mental state, she's obviously dangerous and I'm surprised the case went the way it did. She should be locked up in a psych ward long term.
You clearly knows nothing about schizophrenia. They’re are extremely smart and planning and thinking is common in that condition. It’s an unfortunate situation it really is.
shes a white girl so,,, charges dropped it is
Missing since 9-7-14. I lost a son on 8-26-14. 9 yrs just past. The pain is still there. I pray for justice for the two little ones.
Lost a child 48 years ago, still feel it and miss her. I am old but the pain doesn’t disappear with time. Sorry for your loss dear
I too lost my daughter & only child 30 years ago. Something you never “get over”, as others will may tell you.
I am so sorry for you and your family ❤
@@sharoncruzen1942I'm so sorry you went through this ❤
I’m so sorry
I’m so sick of these psychos that kill their children always getting away with the shit but then people go to prison for a lot less the system is so messed up, she murdered them and she is definitely competent to stand trial and her mother is protecting her as well
shims and shams of secret society made as if they are gods and goddess
O so true 😢
it broke my heart when troy said he felt guilty for falling asleep🥺
Yeah me too 😔
So sad
😔😞
Damn 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 that broke me too
@@kingbling5489 you’re making it seem like it’s his fault, that’s like saying it’s the parents fault if their child gets kidnapped, no matter how cautious you want to be, things still happens, a child should be safe with their own mother...
She undoubtedly went to the bus stop to get their oldest son. Fortunately dad was there.
Damn girl...
I'm thinking the same thing.
He saved the eldest son without even realising it.
I wonder if their are any updates on this case?
I know right. She wanted to kill them all to hurt him. She didn't love the kids at all.
Thats the scary part in all of this.
Yes, that is a terrifying thought but very, very probable. Truly shocking
How tragic. To deem her incompetent is absolutely absurd. If she knew how to play a game and lie about the safety of the children and also can plan a murder, and actually execute it shows me that she is indeed competent to stand trial. What a cop out. Senseless. 😥
with the currupt lawyers help
What's sad is her family didnt tell father about mental health issues. If her family knew she could have been treated and possibly her children still alive.
If she didn’t kill them what did she do she wouldn’t sell them would she ??
jail her for life she may speak
When a grandmother calls her grandbabies,”these children”,there’s something wrong with her,emotionally.
yeah, psychopathy is genetic
they definitely know something.
Mental illness runs in the DNA
They need hauled in and charged too
That’s probably where the mother got the crazy from
Well if she's not competent to stand trial. She certainly isn't competent for the outside world either.
🤣
That is so true! What kind of laws are those 😒😡
she may take someone else's child and kill them. Lock her up or give the death penalty
@@markmotil lock her up but not the death penalty. We don’t kill people for being for being crazy here. Don’t let her out.
I agree with you. In my opinion she is not competent of being a human she is evil
Latest update that I found: As of Sept. 2021, Catherine lost her appeal and the charges against her still stand.
Thank God! Thank you for checking!!!
Thank god! Shes CRAZY
@@judybrown1810 😂😂😂💀 get over it
@@judybrown1810 cry
Were the children's remains ever found??
Her lawyer is a liar, complicit in murder, furthering pain, loss, anguish, and suffering, and should be in prison.
Her parents need to be held responsible, too. They knew she had these issues and they did nothing. They are just as guilty as she is. How dare they act like this. They lied to her husband and they’re lying to law enforcement to protect Catherine.
I feel the grand parents know of their disappearance or they themselves are hidin or holding them some where or she maybe sold them... 🤷🤷🤷🤷I feel they're alive... I hope its not the other way....
@@sweetsugarlipzz749 Unfortunately, they’re not alive!
Parents WILL protect their pups! Usually.
If she can cut her hair and disguise herself then she is completely competent.
Wrong.
You obviously are not well versed in schizophrenia, which is what catherine has.
@@nikki1932 I don't think anybody is in their right mind when they commit murder. It is up to the doctors to determine whether she is capable to stand trial. I've been to prison a few times. There's nothing more that the inmates want then to be put on mental health court, or to not be found competent. They will go years throwing shit on their walls just to act crazy. I personally feel that if somebody kills somebody they should do the time whether or not their mentally ill. They should either do their time in a mental health facility, or in prison. She obviously killed her kids. That's just disgusting.
Not if she is suffering from delusional paranoia, which she patently is. Schizophrenics can self care.
All of you defending multiple personalities but forget that this woman is probably a murderer and that any of you who also have multiple personality disorders are trying to write off murder as a symptom. If you have kids then I guess we all have the right to question you as a parent if you're defending the behavior. Maybe people with mpd's shouldn't have the right to have or have contact with children then if this is the new normal. Don't believe it for a minute.
@@peacenlove3faith302 Whatever the reason for murder is, she did murder two kids so she either goes to jail or an asylum locked and medicated. The society doesn't have enough time or room for people like her and the older son was about to be murdered too and she could go get him at any time without anyone knowing and murder him. When you remove a life your life no longer matters, even if it is a mental disorder.
Why couldn’t she just leave and leave the children with their dad😢
Thats the question
Like alot of parents they use the children to hurt the other parent gawd I hate that shit
I've been following this case for a long time. She could have but wanted to hurt Troy so she took the kids.
No proof
Because she hates him and wanted to hurt him. Now she's blaming mental illness because that's what sociopaths do.
complete case update:
Catherine hoggle got away. the judge dismissed the 2 murder charges and christine was involuntarily admitted into a mental institution. this system is messed up beyond belief.
rest in peace to the two young children who lost their lives to their own mother.
i send my love to the father and oldest child in this case.
That's horrible
It's sooo obvious she killed her kids.
Gross
Breaks my heart for this dad. God bless him. Praying for the children to be found.
This is disgusting.
I’m getting STRONG Casey Anthony vibes
or Lori Vallow....
Sho' damn.
Especially with her parents involved :(
Exactly my thoughts. Smart white young good looking female... and the courts don't know what to with them.
Yup ... she took those innocent kids and literally took them out in cold blood 🩸.. woman like this one ☝️ I would like to get just a minute in the same room... every murderer who kills plays the game of “ I’m mentally ill “ GTFOH
UGHHHH
Both children have disappeared at two seperate times, doesn't take a dummy to realize that's premeditated murder. She changed her appearance to prevent getting caught, called the cab from the restroom, snuck into buildings. But no, let her just pull the "I AM CRAZY" card. Courts are a joke.
its called SURVIVAL and PROTECTION for yourself and ur kids
Once the trial begins, she is going claim that she was s*xually abused as a child and then blame her parents for it all.
@@IwasBlueb4 Shut up troll
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A justice system that protects a murderous mother but seeks no justice for these children is beyond disgusting. If it were not for this poor father there would have definitely been 3 viictims.
Absolutely right. Children come first, always. Catherine is manipulative, murderous, schemer. She's not mentally ill, just evil.
Imagine how this could have turned out, if her parents had told the truth on the first night. God only knows if it would have saved the little boy but it certainly would have saved the little girl.
Her mother knows something and is protecting her daughter.. She should be Held In Jail for NOT complying with police..
You sleeping while your kids are missing? strange!
They should have placed her in a mental health facility, when her parents and man ALL agreed she shouldn't be alone with their kids; her parents probably thought they were protecting her and the kids by not putting her in a facility, and agreed to follow a rule that they clearly didn't take seriously, and now the children are gone. Fucked up.
yes, when she had misdemeanor charges she was adamant that her daughter could tell what happened, she never said they were alive. Now that the charges are second degree murder they are suddenly alive and safe
Comment after comment by these women on here named “b.e. Marshall Campbell” in all the comments saying that the kids are safe and that “she has a feeling that the women is being abused by the husband.” And then types and copy/pastes the same comments in all these threads. There’s other women saying the same thing but at least they take the time to type out each comment. I just find it strange that this is the standard on these videos, but if the genders were swapped, you would *NEVER EVER* find a popular comment with dudes saying “nah, she looks slutty and all women who look like that must be killers too.” 🤦🏻♂️ like maybe some assholes would comment that, but it wouldn’t have 400 upvotes. Looks like we have to worry about other types of dangerous people other than Murderers. We also have to watch out for people who are so far gone, they’ll literally believe someone just because of their gender.... which if you spoke to them, they would claim that their entire existence is predicated on opposing that type of thinking... as long as the genders are in the right places that is.
Beat her for info life in GTA or RDR that would make her talk
If someone makes up multiple lies, hides out in a federal Building, evades police, alters their appearance, all while holding their wanted poster on their person; they are most definitely mental competent. This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
or a way a desperately scared mother of 3 beautiful children tries to survive and keep them safe too
I disagree. Completely. I was married for 10 years to a man who beat me severely. He did it in front of our 4 children.. he promised he’d kill me if I left.. that “it wouldn’t end well for me” too... last year I filed a protection order and am now divorced from him.. and I have sole custody of our 4 beautiful children. The cop out using domestic violence to validate harming children needs to end. Now.
@@IwasBlueb4 keeping them safe does not equal killing them you wackjob
@@IwasBlueb4 hmmm sounds like something Catherine hoggle would say.
I wonder why Troy Turner's lawyer doesn't make sure someone objectively evaluates her. It really does look like she is mentally competent. You can't just wait around hoping someone is going to evaluate her, especially if you're depending on someone working at a facility who's probably getting a lot of money for her to be in it. I think Mr. Turner should get a different lawyer; maybe he's getting paid more the longer we wait and wait for that to be determined and the more people ask and ask for him to do something about it. Instead of doing that he's getting paid a whole bunch of money to try and upgrade her charges to a felony so they can wait around for two more years.
I want to give this poor man a hug 😭
You can fake a mental illness by telling those "medical professionals" just exactly what they want to hear.
She seems to be sane enough to kidnap her kids with no trace, run away from her husband and evade search parties for days but she's not competent enough to discuss the whereabouts of her children? There's nothing wrong with this woman, at least not enough to be exempt from revealing their location and her motives.
100% this is just stupid
The way you put it together is absolutely well said. And why all of a sudden the mom changed. The kids were in no danger from their dad, it was their mom they had to worry about.
100%!
Exactly. Sane enuf to disguise her appearance too. Unbelievable
She knew enuf to cover up lie n denye!!!
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids .
That is for sure!!!
Now that's true 👀
Ong
The same goes for that bouncer looking dude who kept having sex with a schizophrenic woman, on the limb. Shame on him. Did he think it was OK ? sperm donors are not respectable.
@Billy Joel what a dictating and cynical opinion, it’s within our human rights to reproduce.
His last statement to his kids was absolutely heart breaking.
She's competent to hide their kids so well but not to stand trial?
Her parents were complicit in all of this. They knew for years that their daughter was a danger to those children.
Yes they did 😔
Very Sad. The tragedy feels preventable. People don’t want to address mental illness and instability, especially older parents.
he was with her for 5 years, during the most stressful years, raising young children. He knew too.
Somebody needs to drain that whole gene pool.
Her parents must have been a danger to her first. People don’t get this stuff out of nowhere.
How did her parents not set off an alarm when she came home without jacob???
I'm glad so many people agree that they should've done something.
Exactly what I’m saying.. Like what tf were they thinking?!
It's easy to say hindsight is 20/20 and/or be judgemental..... But I'm sure that even if they recognized that she was a nutcase, no one thinks their daughter is capable of getting rid of her own children... This is def an odd one
@@jamiekensington1155 I have several mentally ill relatives and would absolutely be suspicious if they showed up without a child that had no other reasonable person to be watching them. While not everyone would, if you have mentally ill people and children in your life you have to watch out for them.
I think they may have had a part in it
I thought the same. "There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though?
why do they say such stupid things, "she's a very convincing woman." How is that convincing.. " I left them at a daycare but dont.know where." Ridiculous.
Troy is an amazing guy. I feel so awful for him. I can’t imagine. In fact, I don’t want to imagine. It’s too painful.
So they all agree that she shouldn’t be driving but yet while at her parents house, she took the keys and “borrowed” her fathers car and drove off? Wtf
I WAS THINKING THAT
Yes Dad was conveniently left out of the narrative, only mug shots were shown.
@ Because he failed his grandkids. He let his daughter do what she wasn't supposed to be doing.
and he let her take the kid........Now, he is making speeches on TV.
They also agreed she would never be left alone with the kids.... yet....
The surviving child needs therapy-STAT.
I agree 🙏
He has gotten it.
@@SurrealisticSlumbers so right.
Well no shit. And so does the dad and everyone else involved.
Well considering that the dad was in denial and didn't think the kids were dead, he probably never told his son that the 2 other children were dead, so the kid probably thinks they're just "gone" just like when you explain to your kid how your dog died.
Catherine is literally the only one who had them last and saw them last. She had an accomplice for sure to take care of the bodies. I actually appreciate the private detective going this far to get justice.
As a Marylander, this hits so close to home. I really hope that these poor babies are safe somewhere, because who could fathom worse case scenario? I pray this murderer gets everything she deserves and more. I believe she knew exactly what she was doing, and it was definitely premeditated. As to the father, you are a great dad. I will pray for you, and I hope you keep your faith because miracle’s do come true! Im not trying to mislead you, but miracle’s begin with faith, and in a tragic situation like this, that’s all that seems left to hope for, is a miracle. May God bring you and your family peace, no matter the outcome.
The court is protecting the murderer instead of the helpless children!😡🤬😡
As always
Court and judges are incompetent
I would have gotten physical with her in that car after about 20min of that bs.
:(
Per usual!!! So so sooooo sick of these corrupt public servants!!!!
There is a lot to say about this case, but I want to add: the dad seems like a wonderful man and I'm very sorry for everything he has to endure
The dad is mentally abusive
@@Amy_L33 how do you know?
@@Aubreysjourney I know Troy's sister. And this is not the case.
@@Amy_L33 How exactly do you know this or is this just your opinion? I know what emotional and physical abuse looks like and this isn’t it?
@@tayona1350 so that was 100% opinion based and based off literally nothing of weight. As someone who lived in Germantown at the time, I witnessed him night after night handing out flyers and searching fields. I would close at my job every night leaving well past 12am, and I saw him several times, as well as his mom- the other grandma. I’ve spoken to her, allowed her to vent and cry with me. Stop saying dumb and damaging things when you can’t base it off anything. Another internet troll we do not need.
It’s now been 9 years since the kids have been home. I can’t imagine the father living this. I think her mother knows something.
Omg the little boy reminds me of my son that passed away 😢 I hope this case gets resolved
The whole “Mental illness” defense is such a ruse. Start holding people accountable for their evil actions. This is filicide pure and simply.
Amen!!!
They haven't been proven to be dead.
@MO mo To be clear, I think the 'mother' should be held criminally responsible and clearly knew she did something wrong by running away. Yes, she seems to have a mental illness, but not all of those who have a mental illness will not be held criminally liable; only those who successfully show evidence of the 'insanity defence' will which in my opinion should not be the case with her. To be held not criminally liable as a result to mental illness or essentially ONLY insanity, one would need to provide evidence that they have no guise of what is right and wrong. It is NOT on the sole basis of 'they aren't in frame of mind'. Those with depression can be labelled as 'not in the right frame of mind' but most still know what's right and wrong. For instance, someone who ran from the cops after killing an individual because they taught the person was a supernatural being would likely still be held criminally responsible but also provided psychiatric help; running away indicates they knew it was wrong to kill someone. Similarly, by partaking in drug consumption, one is acknowledging the associated results of it. Yes there are many flaws in the criminal justice system in practice including the unnecessary use of the insanity defence but what you presented was not a reflection of the criminal justice system based on its writing. Additionally, 'meds' for those 'mentally ill' is not a cure. It's not a biological only disease that gets cured as a result of solely medication.
@paul Nelson you're so rite. Smh.
@Ashley Maples exactly!
This is so tragic. They are using mental illness to dissuade the investigation. I mean it's the little kids. Anyone who harms any children deserves a maximum sentence in prison whether mentally ill or not.
Postpartum psychosis should be an exception (sometimes). Loving mothers have eaten their own babies. Sometimes brains completely malfunction. In this case, it’s not an excuse because she clearly knows right from wrong and made a choice, but sometimes the insanity defense is legit.
@@tarantulady Yep! Its awful some Women have thrown the kids over cliffs...to protect them from the threat thats coming...demonic and all in the mind..
There are cases of severely mentally ill mothers who kill their kids believing they`re saving them from the brutality of this world. They would never have done this had they been sane. Having said that, I don`t believe this is the case here.
@@tarantulady Sorry. I disagree. What matters is that 2 innocent children are DEAD.Not the mother's twisted feefees and why she did what she did. Kid killers don't need to be in society AT ALL. If she thought Aliens told her to do it, who cares? Those two people are gone now.
@@ElanaVital83 same tho, I mean okay you can say you got mental illness but it doesn't mean you can get lighter sentence.. there's a case about man with schizophrenia he's a serial killer, said he need to drink blood to stay alive. Well he got electric chair.
Like it's no use to free them, they're a danger to society. A killer will always be a killer
This was WEIRD! And her folks say NOTHING when the youngest son isn’t with Mummy when she gets back in the afternoon after three hours! The parents enabled their daughter in her actions…. I wonder if their insane daughter was ever held accountable for anything in her life, by her parents?
The charges against Catherine were dropped in 2022. My heart breaks for the father because he'll probably never get answers.
Being mentality ill doesn't mean being stupid. That's clearly murder and they just let her go.
I don't think anyone is stupid. Although we might think people are stupid, they aren't.
@@gee-2-dkay195 dumbest comment ever. You just proved people are stupid.
@@lavayachelsea2638 dumbest comment ever is a bit of a reach. Seen alot worse🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mariagnes682 guess so but this one takes the cake for me.
Of course they let her go
I feel so sad for that man. So much evil in this world..
I agree. Hit me right in the feels! :(
Me too I can't even imagine what he has been through all this time.
NO tears......he should have tried harder.
@@linanicolia1363 people process trauma differently
lina nicolia not all people cry
Who makes these laws and rules? 5 years and charges dropped? So peeps can literally get away with murder if they can act well. Woah
That mother has a lot to answer for, not informing the dad about her daughter! She is part to blame.
Cruelty towards kids, elderly and the vulnerable makes my BLOOD BOIL!!!!!!
Don’t forget animals.. they are just as innocent.
@@beebeebee7000 just about to say the same
@@beebeebee7000 no one cares about animals
@@beebeebee7000 was about to mention animals too.
@@Animeow08 so that means the ones who do care can’t voice our sadness and frustrations when something happens to them? And don’t generalize the ones who do care, you can be careless but I’m not. :)
The grandmother knows their dead. She’s protecting her daughter.
Mom has the same crazy eyes.
Grandma 👵looks evil. Poor babys
Especially when she said "these children" when she was being interviewed. Instead of "my grandchildren"
The granddad looks evil too !
@@EASTSIDERIDER707 I share Your Sentiment , with the difference being - I shared Your Sentiment in reference to Her father.
I have to ask how on earth does that judge sleep at night when he makes wrong decisions like this. Shame on you judge
Update from 12/1/22 From the Washington Post - “She has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, major depressive disorder and general anxiety disorder.” The judge who dropped the charges due to length of time has done a civil commitment to the psych hospital. She’s in max security section.
Judge said… “She suffers from chronic symptoms of impaired judgment, poor insight, paranoia and disorganized thinking. Without the structure and stability of a hospital setting, she would be a danger to herself or others.”
Imagine being the lawyer to a person who is so clearly guilty
That is my same question, for lawyers is it ok for them to defend the wrong person.
not all money is good money! I personally can't put a price on virtue. Not everyone sees it that way though
@Rocket Pliance That's looking at it from the simplest pov. You have to do a cost-benefit analysis. That's how you determine the true value of that money. What are you giving up to get that money? Have you ever turned down a job that people want you to take because of the 'money'? The money sounds good to someone that doesn't know what you sacrificed to get it.
@Rocket Pliance wether or not it feels lit a million dollars does not increase the purchasing power of that $100. I'm assuming the child barely did any work/ sacrifice anything for that money. So that money is all profit
@Rocket Pliance My point is that the 100 dollars is still just a hundred dollars. What the child 'feels like' is insignificant to the conversation. The child feels that way because there wasn't any sacrifice made. On the other hand, if you make the child wash all the clothes in your home, cut the grass, do the groceries e.t.c before you reward the child with 100 dollars, I guarantee the child will not 'feel like a millionaire'. Why's that?! Maybe because the same 100 dollars now weighs less, the child just traded labor and time in exchange for it!
What's wrong with this women's Father and Mother? They both knew the one kid was already missing and didn't say a word to the kids Father. Maybe her parents are mentally ill too.
The grandparents look like One Flew Over The Cuckoo Nest.
Or in on it
Very ill, these grandparents! The poor child!
Hell they probably know where those kids are
They are in on it. Grandma is playing damage control and pretending to be on both sides. Daughter is playing stupid. The whole family are master manipulators and are gaming the system.
God bless you daddy!
As of Nov 30th 2022, the charges were dropped but she was involuntarily institutionalized because they deemed her a danger to the public…
Which is just bs. She needs to get life in prison
2 year old at the sleepover and the grandparents are ok with that sorry to say seems to me the whole family is mentally unstable
The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. I think your on to something.
Should we blame your parents for all your mistakes are you adult enough to think for yourselves?
@@MC-iw9jp not blaming the parents but think of it 2 year old for sleepovers not even at the relatives and that ok
The child was probably on a sleepover at a paedophiles place
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This poor man. He really holds himself up well under these horrific circumstances.
🤔🤔😂😂😂😂
If the father was not at the bus stop, what would have happened to the first born, when the mother turned up at the bus stop?
If the private detective thinks the children's bodies are in the water, he should try to get a hold of Jared Leisek & his team at Adventures with Purpose. They're divers that go across the country, for free, to help find missing people's bodies in water. They're very good at what they do! I pray for peace for this family & those two innocent babies.💔
I was thinking the same thing. The guys are amazing @Adventures with Purpose.
Let’s hope they do and that they find them. At least then the truth will come out.
I love watching their videos and they’ve helped so many people find out what happened to their loved ones. So sad 😢
I was just think the same thing there amazing
Yes! Awesome guys!
Grandma knows something, why would she hide behind the door. You'd be shouting from roof tops, taking interviews, screaming, "Where are my grandbabies". Grandma knows what's going on. She now trying to protect her daughter. Something bizarre going on in this family. Also what federal building is open at 3am (I thought that's what they said). And why weren't the lakes or rivers searched immediately. Someone say...... Incompetence???
Agreed! Vallow's grandparents were fighting to know where their grandbabies were located. Not some incompetent, protecting her herself and daughter....she knows more than she is saying
yes, Im sure grandma now knows where they are ....and cannot reveal it for good reasons....
Oh she knows....... she just doesn’t want her daughter in trouble.
I was wondering the same thing. The door was unlocked to a federal building at 3-4am???
I wouldn't be surprised if the kids were in the grandmothers home when she denied the reporter inside her home that day.
"Medical professionals that I didn't hire, STATE medical professionals..."
Oh, so incompetent themselves...
For anyone who is still here and wondering what happened as of November 30th 2022 the judge dropped the murder charges against Catherine and the children are still missing. The judge ruled that Catherine was incompetent to stand trial. They failed these children and now they will never know justice.
She needs to be in jail or mental health facility. She should never be allowed free to do this again. Everyone around here is in danger. She knows where they are and should be held in contempt until she tells the truth. She is a loon.
This country's justice system is a joke. The joke of the entire world.
Cloud9551 Austrias/Germanys justice System is more than only a joke ...
@@angelinaneckam8115 Mam in India we have right to claim insanity as exception and they just take into account sanity of accused at the time of crime and if the accused is proven to be insane at the time the crime happened, the accused will be acquitted
wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/07/catherine-hoggle-appeals-ruling-to-not-dismiss-murder-counts-in-childrens-disappearance/
How many countries have you lived in Cloud955a?
Thank the Brits for it...
i feel so bad for the dad he seems like a genuinely good parent who cares for his children. if the roles were reversed he would def be in jail. i hope he can find peace one day ❤️
AbSoLuTeLy, this some bs.
Really ? I find him very scary, actually
@@IwasBlueb4 why?
Beware this evy Courtney account is on here to spread misinformation about the case I guess in hopes of making a narrative
@@omegakrazii I looked at her account and evidently she roots for the "guilty" in every single case.
She sure is A very smart “CRAZY” person, lol
As of December 2022 the murder charges have been dropped, and she is still considered incompetent to stand trial. Still not telling anyone where the kids are. So sad man.
I feel so sorry for the father I know that he will forever feel guilty for something that he had absolutely no control of smh praying for the family😪🙏🏾
This poor guy! Despite not initially being in a relationship - and then later on seeing some mental health issues with Catherine - he stuck it out: for the sake of a family; for the sake of seeing three children grow-up and go through graduation and all those wonderful life events!!! But now -- now she sounds like Casey Anthony! praying + + + +
@@jeanneewaseck6635 I definitely agree
@Omerta_ Don83 mine too smh
@@jeanneewaseck6635 definitely Casey Anthony vibes
I watch stuff like this and pray for my little brother that he won't ever make a family with the wrong woman. I send him videos like this a lot and he thinks I'm nuts because he's just 14, but he'll be dating soon enough and girls already like him. So yea I'll be crazy if it means looking out for him, teaching him what to look for when it comes to women. I never want him to go thru anything even close to something like this.
I want to live in a world where all monsters are held accountable for what they do, thank you!
I could not agree more!!
I want to live in a world without monsters
I want to live in a world where there are no monsters.
I want to be in a world where shit like this doesn't happen
I want to live in a world with no monsters ❤️
As of Dec 2022 The state was forced to drop the murder charges as the 5 year mark passed however the judge involuntarily committed her to the Psychiatric Hospital indefinitely. Should the hospital ever deem her “Competent” The state will in turn file New charges for murder in the deaths of both children.
The bodies of both children have never been found..
Is there any UPDATE as of now about the kids ?
now i could understand why my mom checked me every night before she went to sleep. she stopped doing it after i became an adult but i fully understand why she did that
My Mom still does it...of course over the phone but still!!!
Children are worry some!
I still check my kids. They're 24,21 &18. My youngest is off at college so I can't physically I mean I could drive to her dorm but I'm trying to be good lol. She calls me every night and in the morning because she knows mama is crazy enough to drive to the university. If my son and oldest daughter aren't going to be home for the night they call me and let me know. My mama checked on me everyday until she passed and I miss it so much.
@@ksinclair-garcia2092 yes im always home on time and if i cant make it i give her a call i never want her to worry
@@ksinclair-garcia2092 yeah I am 37 my brother 29 and baby sister is 27 and if my mom doesn't know where we are or hasn't heard from us at least every two hours she freaks out. I also have to know where my two are at all times!!!!
How sad I'm sick of hearing about children being murdered all over this world that's horrible
I'm sick of people being murdered all over the world
Doubtful they will be found alive, but still have hope.
Selfish breeding with no business at parenthood
@SylvanaForrester 😮
I hope you don't have children 😡
And abused....and animals!!!
Ok this doesn’t make sense .. if Troy knew she wasn’t allowed alone driving with the kids why wasn’t he more worried the moment he found out? Or why wouldn’t he check for the kids when he got home?
This reminds me of the kids involved in the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell case. Both kids were "missing" for years...before their bodies were discovered buried in the backyard. If the kids were not kidnapped by a stranger, or sold into child sex trafficking...they are likely deceased.
Yes that case broke my heart as well as this one just so awful really demonic acts 💔💔
Lori Daybell’s kids were missing for months, not years.
Sadly true! 😢
This is BS she was smart enough to change her hair and hide but is not all crazy let her stand trail or chg law
EXACTLY SMH 😒
bloody medical professionals, they make lots of mistakes, they aren't saints
Very smart
Right
I think even if she is, in the eyes of the judge, truly insane and therefore shouldn't get a prison sentence (I really don't believe she is), in my country she still would have to stand trial and then get send to a prison like mental institution for criminals. To not be fit for trial she seem pretty normal on the videos and to her own family...
I don't get the US I have seen to videos of really mentally ill prisoners, that with sever schizophrenia where somehow in normal prisons. One was boiled alive in a shower for 2 hours till his skin fell of and he died, it was to punish him because he shit himself and smeared it on the walls (no charges for the guard's!). The other was a veteran that had a psychotic episode and wouldn't put his hands trough the door to be put in cuff's, so the guard fired a flashbang grenade from a shotgun direct at him.
Put she isn't even fit to be questioned by the cops after she killed her children? The to guys I wrote about where there for some shit like stealing or drug possession can't remember exactly.
I hope he doesn’t blame hisself . I know my children’s father doesn’t go wake them up if he’s coming home late . Because he trusts me very much with them .
So I’m sure that’s how this man felt as well. It’s heartbreaking to know someone you trust around you and your children can do something so evil . And that’s their actual mother
He probably won’t trust a single soul ever again.
It was probably the last thing on his mind. I mean, she may have had issues, but he clearly trusted her with their kids. Thank god she didn’t get to the 5 year old. Poor babies. I feel so sorry for this man.
I agree, I feel so bad for him💔
@@rhm987 Don’t think he did, she wasn’t allowed to be alone with them.
How involved was he in the lives of his girlfriend and children? How did he not notice her mental illness? And why do the children have her last name, not his? Just wondering.
I wonder if she had given him something, which is why he was extra tired.. did she intend on killing him first then blaming the children's deaths on him?...
The Judge was forced to dismiss the murder charges against Catherine because she still wasn't fit to stand trial and the statute of limitations for holding a murder charge was coming to an end. Hoggle was involuntarily committed because she remains a danger to herself and others.
Pretty sure there's no statute of limitations for murder
Latest update (November 30, 2022): Maryland Judge Drops Murder Charges Against Catherine Hoggle in Case of Missing Children.
This case has Casey Anthony written all over it. The changing stories, the lies , the inconsistencies. Even the fact that the mother first accused her and then changed her stance later on , Casey's parents did the same. This is just tragic.
Speaking of........how in hell did Casey Anthony get found not guilty
@@proanimaluver6487 Yeah that one ill never understand. Thats American justice for you.
@@proanimaluver6487 it's bc they did not first prove that her father didnt do it... It gave reasonable doubt
But the investigators said she was a very convincing woman...... thats a red flag as to that investigators if they believed anything she said. From day one those kids missing she was acting suspicious as hell
@@proanimaluver6487 Because she’s a young attractive white women.. same reason the teen blonde cheerleader didn’t get charged for killing her newborn baby.
To the babies : please know that your dad and others care. Be without pain where ever you are.
😭😭😭
Yes I'm sure they're reading youtube comment sections right now.
@@melizabeth. lmmfao right who TF is she talking too G
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Some of ya on these comment threads are ignorant but I PRAY YA DONT GO THRU THIS WITH YA CHILDREN AND NO MY GRAMMAR IS NOT PROPER BUT I SAID WTF I SAID
“I didn’t know anything was up.” Tells the reporter that she wasn’t supposed to be alone with the kids, drive, drive with the kids and the parents were on board with it. . . . Are you serious? How many red flags do you need? I need to sell this guy a car. “Nah bro it ain’t stolen.” That would be good enough for him even though the steering is busted and there is blood in the car.
Bless his heart for searching the waterways
How devastating for this father... he deserves closure.
An innocent person doesn't act the way she did. She was smart enough to go to the Chic Fil A and make an escape. She's not that stupid. She obviously did something to the kids. I feel sorry for the children.
This has nothing to do with anything but I love that I’m seeing Chicfila because I just saw a tik tok that said it’s Chick-fil-A and ??????
Yeah, she did something to them and was smart enough to get away with it. She knew exactly what she was doing and what she did to get away. All of premeditated. The entire plan!
Right she tried to call a cab, she went out the side door, she knew he wasn’t gonna stop looking for those children and she was out of lies.
@@stacyneel9721 She´s an evil person that knows very well how to manipulate her surroundings. Mental illness or not that woman is evil
@@rachellebuch1983 are u serious? 🙄 nobody gives af duh 😒 🙄 it’s about the kids
I had a friend whos wife suffered severe mental illness. She was in and out of hospital. They had 2 kids. And he couldnt leave his kids alone with her either. It was so sad
She wasn't allowed to be alone with any of her children, but the father isn't aware that she has mental health problems? Charges were dismissed in 2022,judge said she isn't competent to stand trial. She changed her appearance and made up stories, she is competent
She's playing the system like a violin.
Sadly, it's her lawyer.
@@LaurenJayx0 He has nothing to lose and all to gain from stringing this out. I hate lawyers. But I get it's their job.
No justice for the kids
and she sure as hell is playing that violin good. I mean she either A). Killed her kids or B). Killed her kids. The court definitely fails people.
This may sound kind of messed up but I probably would have just tortured the lady until she said what happened to the kids.
messed up ? ur evil
In THIS case-YES!
I'm with you, what else could I lose? I am nothing without my children.
@dnlkq qgfjnk Not really. It’s like killing a chomo, are you really a bad person?
Evy Courtney no the mother is evil
this is so heartbreaking
I will never understand how parents can hate one another more than they love their kids!
“The kids are safe” - *JUST LIKE LORI VALLOW?!?* Sickening!!
Imagine being the lawyer to a person who is so clearly guilty
@@tdhbpicbdjy1111 I couldn't do that. Ever.
Yup and this case isn't big like that one ?? Like why???
Rach C exactly! SAD!
exactly! what's with this whole epidemic with kids disappearing by the hands of their own mothers?
Her mother doesn't seem very stable, I think she knows more.
I hate to say it but the fact is the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.
I think she’s just in denial, hopefull as well.
Wambam UK how can you possibly comment on someone's stability based on a few seconds of footage??? How incredibly presumptuous and just plain ridiculous. It's possible she's in denial or just trying to be hopeful. None of us are in any position to evaluate anyone's level of stability here, get over yourself.
Well, she's cooperating with police and lawyers. She appears to want answers and she wants those children back, so why would she lie to protect her daughter?
Might be protecting her from getting convicted by claiming the children are still alive. Casey Anthony's mom said she was the one who searched up chloroform and we think it's because the prosecutors had the death penalty on the table.
I feel so sorry for Troy I can't imagine what he's been going thru all those years.
This case is extremely disturbing. I'm so sad for the poor kids.
"There were rules set by her family and Troy that she wasn't to be alone with the kids ever, drive with them ever." They let her drive with the 2 year old though? She was alone with the 2 year old on Sunday for 3 hours, then came back without the child? Fishy!! The father then spent the night at her house and never said anything about her not coming home with the child?
And now the grandmother has changed her tune to believing the children are still alive... smh
troy said that when she came back without the 2 year old boy she was questioned about where he was and then she told them he was at a sleepover with their oldest son's friend. i don't understand why no one thought to check on him right then 😞
it becomes even more heartbreaking to know that this all could have been prevented had they actually held her to those rules that they set for her.
@@lostlikelindsay What 2 yr old goes on a sleepover never mind with an older siblings friend ? None. No 2 yr 0lds ever.
@@debbiemohekey1509 i agree! red flag right there and unfortunately no one thought to check it out 😫
Exactly WTF