A Bomber Buster is not meant to dogfight. The 5cm round had been calculated as the smallest round needed for near certainty of a kill against allied bombers. I am a bit taken aback that the standard quadruple cannon were the extremely short range, very inaccurate, Mk108. A pair or trio of Mk103 cannon would've been far harder hitting and at much longer range, for roughly the same weight. The Mk 108's short range necessitated an approach by the Me262 to inside the range envelope of the allied bomber stream's many .50cal M2 Heavy MGs. The 5cm cannon would've opened up the engagement range, perhaps increasing pilot safety and aircraft survivability. Twin 3.7cm BK, such as Rudel had used to great effect in other venues, might also have been a reasonable option, being accurate, high velocity, and able to take out a medium bomber with one or two engine hits. Ultimately, German designers went with the rocket barrage, such as the multiple launch 7.7cm rockets prototyped under the wings of the 262 Sturmvogel and the nose of the Ba 249 Natter. Postwar, the US carried that torch for quite some time, the F94C Starfire being armed with as many as 48x 70mm Free Flight Rockets, while the Soviet Block stuck with its tried and true 23mm and 37mm cannon.
Rudel's 3,7 cm had - I don't know why - only 2 x 6 rounds in 2 magazins each. Btw the most astonishing feature of the mk 108 was the barrel length of slightly more than half a meter (545 mm).
@Vermundr - I doubt it, not powerful enough and the standard ones had 4x 30mm already. The guy in the video does use it wrong, it was meant to stay 800m behind the pulk and do pot shooting the bombers. The crews wouldn't know what and from where they are getting shot. Of course, works only with no fighter defense.
@Vemundr - we're talking about B-17's these guns weren't designt to shot that high. A B-17 could easily absorb some 37mm rounds. The 30mm minen round had the same explosive power like one 37mm He round. It wouldn't have made any sense to switch from four to one gun. If you could only install a single gun, then why not use a 50-55mm one, with far better ballistic properties.
@vemundr - the ballistic drop was only a factor against small fighters and started to be serious above 800m. Hitting flying buses, like the B-17, wasn't a big deal, after they invented the proper tactics. The Germans would have installed the 37mm if it would have made any sense, so I'm right ;)
mk108 where much like granade launcers compared to other cannons, they trajectory was awful. Mk103 on the other hands where formidable, but they don't fit in a 262 I think, at least not 4 of them
Very cool... must be nice to have all the knowledge and command of your graphics to be able to create all these special aircraft and the custom made missions available in Sturmovik....I have customized some of my own playing and leant a bunch from your patches, thank you Steven..!
Mistake was to expose the bottow plan-view of yoursef in front of ,maybe, a hundred fifty cals IN RANGE. Speed is intoxicating. An anti tank cannon is CONFUSING and CRAZY !!
Hello Steven, can you just tell me how (what mod you used for that ) you added a personal picture in cockpit, in the early early video, we see you looking at bottom left in cockpit, with your personal picture ? Please please i'm searching since 3 months, they way how to do that.
Canon seems ineffective. How many rounds can it carry? One shot one kill seems liek a good idea but it seems most shots are misses. What size canon is it? 40 mm?
Holy smokes - 50mm - Seems maybe ok for a field piece with a team aiming careuflly but slicing and dicing 4 engine bombers seems too slow. How many rounds could the 262 take up with it?
+Dan Stinson I think the testing showed that the muzzle blast blinded the pilot. The Allies had a captured example but it was lost from engine failure on a ferry flight. It would have been an impressive museum piece today.
So here comes a stupid question for all the IL2 pro´s out there. I recently installed the VP Modpack but to be honest, my setup doesn´t look that bright, clear and pretty as in all those videos. What am I doing wrong? The graphics are set on high, Modpack is correctly installed and working but my game still looks a little bit more year 2004... Do I need to install some other Mods?? Thanks for your help
ReShade, www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46936.168.html use mike version , www.mediafire.com/file/59h45i8paklydgj/ReShade_2.0.3f1_with_Storebror_Settings_2017-10-30.7z
But when I look at the videos posted here which shows all the included aircraft I see that I haven´t even got half of them, just a couple? Did I install an old version? Do I have to do any patches? Thanks for you help!
A Bomber Buster is not meant to dogfight. The 5cm round had been calculated as the smallest round needed for near certainty of a kill against allied bombers.
I am a bit taken aback that the standard quadruple cannon were the extremely short range, very inaccurate, Mk108. A pair or trio of Mk103 cannon would've been far harder hitting and at much longer range, for roughly the same weight. The Mk 108's short range necessitated an approach by the Me262 to inside the range envelope of the allied bomber stream's many .50cal M2 Heavy MGs.
The 5cm cannon would've opened up the engagement range, perhaps increasing pilot safety and aircraft survivability. Twin 3.7cm BK, such as Rudel had used to great effect in other venues, might also have been a reasonable option, being accurate, high velocity, and able to take out a medium bomber with one or two engine hits.
Ultimately, German designers went with the rocket barrage, such as the multiple launch 7.7cm rockets prototyped under the wings of the 262 Sturmvogel and the nose of the Ba 249 Natter. Postwar, the US carried that torch for quite some time, the F94C Starfire being armed with as many as 48x 70mm Free Flight Rockets, while the Soviet Block stuck with its tried and true 23mm and 37mm cannon.
Rudel's 3,7 cm had - I don't know why - only 2 x 6 rounds in 2 magazins each. Btw the most astonishing feature of the mk 108 was the barrel length of slightly more than half a meter (545 mm).
I'm surprised the germans didn't hit on a single thirty mm gattling gun powered by an electric motor they were so far ahead in the game.
They didn't, because the tech to efficiently house that kind of mechanism in a fighter did not exist in 1945.
bam! one shot! one kill! what a machine!
6:30 That jump is epic XD
lol
me 262 Narwal. Amazing aircraft.
@Vermundr - I doubt it, not powerful enough and the standard ones had 4x 30mm already. The guy in the video does use it wrong, it was meant to stay 800m behind the pulk and do pot shooting the bombers. The crews wouldn't know what and from where they are getting shot. Of course, works only with no fighter defense.
@Vemundr - we're talking about B-17's these guns weren't designt to shot that high. A B-17 could easily absorb some 37mm rounds. The 30mm minen round had the same explosive power like one 37mm He round. It wouldn't have made any sense to switch from four to one gun. If you could only install a single gun, then why not use a 50-55mm one, with far better ballistic properties.
@vemundr - the ballistic drop was only a factor against small fighters and started to be serious above 800m. Hitting flying buses, like the B-17, wasn't a big deal, after they invented the proper tactics. The Germans would have installed the 37mm if it would have made any sense, so I'm right ;)
Like 4 rapid fire 30mms didnt have enough punch... :) those crazy germans....
mk108 where much like granade launcers compared to other cannons, they trajectory was awful. Mk103 on the other hands where formidable, but they don't fit in a 262 I think, at least not 4 of them
Dios mio como pudimos perder si fuimos mejores en todo.
Very cool... must be nice to have all the knowledge and command of your graphics to be able to create all these special aircraft and the custom made missions available in Sturmovik....I have customized some of my own playing and leant a bunch from your patches, thank you Steven..!
Mistake was to expose the bottow plan-view of yoursef in front
of ,maybe, a hundred fifty cals IN RANGE. Speed is intoxicating.
An anti tank cannon is CONFUSING and CRAZY !!
Is the some rule that it's not a Me262 unless one engine is on fire?
SOP for that plane. If the enemy didn't hit it, you were required to set it on fire yourself.
Laughed so hard at this. 😂 😅
Whats the big deal? The Germans put a 50 m/m cannon in the nose of the ME-410 during the war.
Poor approach for a single shot weapon on the last pass. The four 30mm and the R4M array would seem to be a better choice.
Hello Steven, can you just tell me how (what mod you used for that ) you added a personal picture in cockpit, in the early early video, we see you looking at bottom left in cockpit, with your personal picture ?
Please please i'm searching since 3 months, they way how to do that.
Canon seems ineffective. How many rounds can it carry? One shot one kill seems liek a good idea but it seems most shots are misses. What size canon is it? 40 mm?
50mm
Holy smokes - 50mm - Seems maybe ok for a field piece with a team aiming careuflly but slicing and dicing 4 engine bombers seems too slow. How many rounds could the 262 take up with it?
+Dan Stinson I think the testing showed that the muzzle blast blinded the pilot. The Allies had a captured example but it was lost from engine failure on a ferry flight. It would have been an impressive museum piece today.
50MM
I think that weapon sit on the stuka...tank buster..
What's the last screaming of the pilot ???
He lost
So here comes a stupid question for all the IL2 pro´s out there. I recently installed the VP Modpack but to be honest, my setup doesn´t look that bright, clear and pretty as in all those videos. What am I doing wrong? The graphics are set on high, Modpack is correctly installed and working but my game still looks a little bit more year 2004... Do I need to install some other Mods?? Thanks for your help
ReShade, www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46936.168.html use mike version , www.mediafire.com/file/59h45i8paklydgj/ReShade_2.0.3f1_with_Storebror_Settings_2017-10-30.7z
But when I look at the videos posted here which shows all the included aircraft I see that I haven´t even got half of them, just a couple? Did I install an old version? Do I have to do any patches? Thanks for you help!
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Nice video
a Heads up display in 1945?.....with the jet engine and the gun it would be a game changer......too little too late
This DID NOT HAPPEN !!! As far as I know g
To Late
This plane was designed for ground attack.
No
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