GEARBOX ON FIRE! Ford Mustang GT 5.0 // Nürburgring
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro/Specs
01:58 Lap
10:46 Thoughts 
Авто/Мото
I mustang you for sharing this video.
*ford sharing this video
Shelby a good car to drive around here.
Jesus, took me like 10 second to get it 🤣
G(rea)T dad joke
👌👏👏👏👏👏👏
The way the engine is able to push trough the gears so effortless is just so satisfying. Not a big fan of Mustangs, but this engine/gearbox combination looks and sounds like a charm
The 10 speed auto is very good , ford did a good job !
that is why they made the 10 speed. But I promise you, the manual is way more fun.
Owned 2 10 speed mustangs, the trans is only good if you're absolutely ripping it; GM version with different valve body is much better.
The way the ford one shifts in less predictable environments like daily driving is really really bad. 1-2 shift at redline usually drops you into neutral for 5 seconds before it slams into second.
@@inyoface1641 good call on the Tremec. The Getrag's shift feel ain't bad but the stock clutch pedal needs to be completely redone
If you haven’t already look up “10 speed mustang twin turbo” it’s really quite amazing what the motor +trans combo can do when built.
it's like a fast & furious gearbox, gear after gear :D
until there is danger to manifold
Haha Misha passing my shitbox Alfa at 5.49 🤣🤣. I remember that moment, Misha was absolutely flying, amazing car, great owner and an awesome lap. Cheers!
Is that a s*tbox, we already saw it on this channel!?
@@sammyjjoo Yes my friend, this is the shitbox that you already saw on Misha's channel, I went back again this year to experience the Nurburgring. Cheers!
I was very surprised when I spotted it from a far distance like I was is that an ALFA??!
Then when Misha got close I was just focusing on the Alfa not anything else till he gapped you. Very surprised to see a 156 specifically a facelift 😍
I'm gonna check your channel now since you have one!
Happy holidays!
@@bimmer.joo34 Thank you my friend that's so nice to hear, I didn't think that my Alfa might be of any focus or interest for someone especially in a video with a Mustang. Yes, there's not many of 156 left on the roads and even less on the race tracks 🤣
Go ahead, there's a lap around Nurburgring in my Alfa.
Happy holidays!
@@robertadamski bro trust me I have been moved to Egypt in back in 2010 when I was young and I'm from Greece, my father had a 146 twinspark, and I was born into this car like I'm petrolhead since I'm 3 because of my dad's alfa 😅
In Greece I used to see Alfas everywhere and still there's alot, unfortunately people in Egypt don't understand in them so there's no Alfa's here, I've been to Cairo many times back in 2012 and I saw a 147, 156 pre facelift, I never saw anything since then, in the two cities I've been living I only saw a dark green 156 prefacelift which was next to my house, and a black 156 facelift 2.0L twinspark I believe! I miss Alfa so much haha
I remember when I was 6 my father took me to a Alfa dealership and I saw the MiTo that was new, it was white with black wheels but I rushed for the red Brera 😍
I immediately felt In love with it and I was in the drivers seat, my first time seeing manual 6 gears! 😍
I've got a 10-Speed Mustang GT with PP1, Magneride, etc. Mine has wider 315s rear, 285s front, and some light bolt-ons on 93oct. The car is a performer, and it's nice to see another 10-Speed GT being properly wrung out.
That is one benefit with the Mach 1 with additional coolers for the diff, trans and oil.
Car looked very stable though
S550+ mustangs are amazingly stable, especially given its size.
I’ve got an ‘05 corvette z51 and my fiancé’s ‘19 GT feels significantly more predictable/ stable. It isn’t even a performance pack car so I imagine a nicely prepped one must be awesome!
That 5.0 sounds so good!
oh yeah
until it doesn't, can't listen that for full lap tho
Love the 5.0 sound when its opened up. That knocking noise at idle drives me crazy.
Thank you for the valuable conversation. I really enjoyed the car, the lap, and your conversation with the car owner. Thank you Misha for this interesting content
And that’s why the best sport car makers must test their new models on the Nordschleife, gentlemen! 😅
not tuned version tho
@@Skafiskafnjak51Now you know why the car output, what they actuall output.. To make performance cars run at the ring bether than stock without issues is hard task..
@@Skafiskafnjak51 But some of the very best tuner companies do! On the very Misha’s channel you can watch videos of Renntech, Opus and MR testing their upgrade kits. But what I meant is that Nordschleife is the perfect validation playground for every new sport car or upgrades for the existing ones! 😉
If you make it there, you can make it anywhere
I don't think he has the performance pack, which comes with better coolers for track use, that way this doesn't happen.
Maybe some baffles in the sump could be a good thing. Watching the oil pressure drop through some of those corners at high RPM had me more worried than the overheating transmission!
The coyote engine is actually known to have issues with pumping all the oil to the top of the engine, passenger side specifically at sustained high rpm's. Ford's cheap fix was to add 2 additional quarts of oil with the composite oil pan starting in 2018.
@@Swindez95 Cheap?! Have they bought engine oil lately? It's outrageous.
@@bubbleman2002 Pretty cheap in America. It's less than $30usd (28 euros) for 5quarts (4.7L) of Mobil 1 or Pennzoil full synthetic at Wal-Mart. I sometimes buy 2 jugs (10qt) of oil to change my E90 BMW since it takes 6.9qt. Cost me $63 with tax. On my next change, I buy just 1 jug for $29 plus tax.
@@DroneStrike1776 You must live in a state with a lower cost of living than mine.
"Its now acting a bit wierd on the shifts"
Yeah, your trans fluid temp is at 240*F. Its pretty much the viscosity of water now
I have a Whippled 10 speed Mustang GT pushing 670 hp at the wheels. However I have all the supporting mods which are essential (interchiller, low temp thermostat, engine and large trans coolers) plus suspension and driveline mods. The car now stays cool under high stress for lengthy periods no problem. 100-200km/hr in the mid 5 sec so a lot of fun. Value for performance with a properly modded modern mustang is unbeatable.
So in short, it's a "MISHA APPROVED" car!😊
Crazy
Next video ---->>>"bought a Ford Mustang"
The 10 speed trans has to be modded for track use on the GT. The Mach 1 is better as it has upgraded cooling but even those can still have troubles. Plenty of discussion on various Track Mustang forums on what needs to be done and the parts available to make it work (and live) I know a gentleman with a 2018 GT that he’s turned into a track only car. He told me he upgraded the cooling system for the trans so it’s a separate system (stock it’s tied into the engine cooling system) He also had the internals upgraded to improve shift performance and durability. I’ve ridden in it a couple times at our local track and it’s mind blowing how much better it is……it feels like a DCT when it goes through the gears…..very fast, firm shifts. Best part though is he can beat on it lap after lap and it never overheats anymore.
Is the post on Track Mustaing Online? Do you happen to have a post title? Interested in reading it as I have a 10 speed and would love to start doing stuff like this.
That Coyote V8 is lovely! This car looks fast and easy to drive. That´s why Ford cut the red line in some gears 🤣. Good thing you can mod almost anything in that car very easy,just a few clicks. Misha & oil coolers,you need to make a Tshirt or something about mod cars being overheat. Love the mustang!
"Power is nothing without cooling". 😁
If you put it in track mode it should be at the 7500 red line every time as long as your gas pedal is planted down, and the Ford Motorsports power pack like I have .. reflash the computer and transmission perfectly, better than stock and the way the car should have come, excellent driving and video as usual.
I LOVED this video. Great sounding and equiped car, AWESOME driver (not too scared and happy face all time) big smiles from both of them and a happy Misha. Awesome stuff.
This is why everyone that tracks a Mustang goes Manual. The 10R80 auto trans is great for drag racing but it cooks itself during sustained efforts.
My 10r80 is just fine on the race track, doesn’t get over 210 degrees. I have the right cooling package. I only fight oil temps.
What a beast! Both Misha and the Mustang
Just 2 guys chilling at 200 in the corner
Hi Misha. The Dark Horse will be available in Europe. Unfortuantely, EU wont be able to get the "Handling Pack" with the big wing, splitter, 19x10.5F 19x11R wheels with the Trofero RS tires (due to EU pedestrian protection rules). Still will be cool though.
Don't worry Steeda will be bringing Europe even more performance than the Track pack US cars! For the GT and the Dark Horse...
Just get a wing drill holes on trunk n slap it on and super glue some front valances n get a custom front lip
@@poopyfakeprophetmohammedra4337 You actually dont even need to drill holes on S650, there is a plastic spoiler module that the spoiler attaches to. All of these parts will be available through Ford Performance as well.
The Dork Horse is a turd. Don't bother.
Hopefully the trans isnt toast. Get the factory heater/cooler off of that thing. Install a thermal bypass delete, PBH trans cooler adapter fittings, and a big cooler (I like Setrab or Earls) up front.
Thanks for for your feedback, hopefully the transmission is still working with problems.
Also never hab problems on public roads. The Cooling upgrade will be installed next year.
@@falcon_gt_5.0 After 107 Celsius, varnish forms in the transmission fluid and it settles literally throughout the entire box, plus there have already been slipping clutches. I would immediately inspect the entire transmission, since we can definitely talk about burning of the clutches and the filter becoming dirty with their wear products. And God forbid you do a complete replacement of the transmission fluid, the transmission will die - only a partial replacement. But it’s still better to do a complete removal and inspection before the metal begins to deteriorate.
Sorry, typing error. There are no problems, transmission still works fine. But I'll have my workshop have a look.
@@falcon_gt_5.0 its probably fine. The 10r80s are kinda finicky
I’m glad to hear, but still, the transmission is definitely worth checking asap, since slipping of the clutches is serious, roughly speaking, you now have debris particles from the clutch pack floating in the transmission fluid. They wear out the pump, become clogged in the torque converter, filter, and damage the valves. Plus, the transmission fluid burns when the clutch pack slips. As with all hydraulics, the sooner you service it, the cheaper it will be in the end.
If it’s not difficult, please post the results of the inspection here.
Misha can find all weaknesses in one lap
nice, finaly a good rear cam 👍👍👍 i was always missing that😁
0:35 I had to screenshot this and keep it to my gallery, that looks so good and I'm a big fan of OZ Racing wheels and I think this one is my favourite one yet.
All the smoke coming out the back at the end xD
Amazing lap !!
Misha, please drive a STOCK 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE (2017+). The one you didn't drive but rode passenger in, had the DSSV Multimatic struts instead of the Magnetic struts. I was so sad you didn't drive the car, we all want your feedback. Cheers!
The smoke coming out the back towards the end of the lap from the gearbox/clutch slip ... yikes..
9:42 to 9:52... 😬😬😬
There is no clutch slip to make smoke. This is an automatic transmission everything is bathed in transmission fluid.
If anything maybe the fluid is so hot that it came out of the breather tube and leaked onto the exhaust to make smoke.
God told me that this transmission is really fucked. It will have to get replaced...
@@noobz5056 would like to hear what happened afterwards.
The speed in the rear view... 👍👍👍
Suprised they could take corners like that!
its not 1999 anymore mate. These new pony cars really boogie.
Mustangs n Camaros r good track cars unlike the Challengers n Chargers
@AD-ge1bz camaro 1le is the pinnacle of modern muscle cars if tracking is your thing. Yes even better then gt350
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucksI had a ss 1le. For the most part I agree just don't drive a gt350 or anything that revs hard up top after buying the 1le. The 1le has a god tier chassis but the way the engine just doesn't deliver up top will make you yearn to drive something like a Voodoo or an S65.
@@memememine1 cam, fbo, e85 550-600whp will change that
Nice video, thanks for it
Looks like it handles freaking well!!! I like it!
This is why you get a manual...preferably the TR6060 over the MT82 which is standard in the GT, but even the MT82 holds stock power fine.
This and also fun on the street.
I'd be concerned about the significant variations in oil pressure in certain situations. A special sump might help.
My car does that street driving, some of the sensors aren’t right like AFR gauge so I’m guessing it’s something with that.
the coyote oil pump has 3 different stages of pressure, my 2019 gt sits at about 20 psi till 3.5k rpm, jumps to 60 psi, and above 6 thousand it is at about 100 psi.
@@catto191 Yeah but look at the video, oil pressure does not seem to be rev related at all, sometimes it goes down as the revs go up.
@FairladyS130 that's because the pressure spikes momentarily as the whole motor comes up the PSI that the pump is putting out. Once the whole motor's oil pressure equalizes, the pressure come back down a bit. Plus, once the spring in the oil pump bottoms out, at about 7k, the pressure steadily rises a bit up to redline due to the volume of oil flow increasing with rpm. Also, depending on the state of the Variable Cam Timing solenoid position, the oil pressure will raise and fall (slightly) depending on position of that solenoid.
@@catto191 Note that the oil pressure is generally and more consistently around 5 bar for the first few minutes and then starts to vary more widely as the lap continues. I suspect the thinner hotter oil is having an effect on the electronics you mentioned plus there could be momentary oil starvation.
Ford knocked it out the park with their last serious muscle car platform, a 2019 5.0 10 speed is the same cost as a c6 z06 in my area, hopefully I own both one day
8.30 is very respectable! Well done!
thank u ford posting this vid
It's hard to keep the a10 happy on extended track sessions. It's got alot of potential but it's very finicky. There is a built in coolant bypass that doesn't even open till around 100c and once the trans reaches 110c it's done with life. There are mods out there to keep trans fluid flowing through the cooler all the time but the a10 doesn't like really cold fluid either and that hurts daily driveability.
Shuda bought a stick then bruh
Yea when i drive my mustang with it cold it really jerks into gear. Once temps are optimal its fine but wven just driving normally around my state i have gotten the trans temps to around 150 which i think is really high tbh but i dont understand why they dont have the best cooling for it especially cuz the load on it with it being a 10 speed auto.
Transmission temperature is not even coming down, it's in the radiator and since you're off the track I probably would have turned on the air conditioning to start that fan
I have the same transmission in my Ford F150 pushing 604HP and 665lbft even with Aux cooler it'll sit at around 100C in traffic conditions and continue heating up quickly so I usually lock it in 1st or 2nd. It handles power fine, but is so spongy on shifting it just heats up.
Everything else on this car is so good that you've been able to overheat the transmission
I really, really like those Han Solo Lucky Dice. I have the same in my car.
Good choice 👌
Awesome to see a vehicle from the states putting in some laps on track. Although it looks like a better trans and engine oil cooler is in order. I would also look at a baffled sump, oil pressure got as low as 20psi.
Trans is fine, just needs a cooler.
@@crodrc51able yeah that’s what I said it needs an engine and trans cooler or a trans and engine cooler. But the drop in oil pressure is far more worrying to me. That new gt86 is learning about that the hard way.
Außer einem richtig großen Kühler mit Lüfter für das Öl, würde ich dir ans Herz legen die Firma Mathy zu kontaktieren. Allein durch die richtigen Zusätze, lagen die Temperaturen bei uns plötzlich einige Grad drunter!! Wir waren damals absolut verblüfft wie viel das ausgemacht hat, konnten es überhaupt nicht glauben.
Danke für den Tipp
Amazing car! 😍
This is a beautiful car no doubt
Awesome driving skills Misha. I just wanna clarify on the stock 10 speed mustang you drove before it doesn't change the redline you must have been hitting the stock speed governor in the stock mapping. I have the premium model that has the different drive modes and it shifts very well. I however got a custom palm beach mapping for E85 and trans tuning as well.
Minature is gold
Good video
Awesome car🤘💪
Wow that oil pressure drops way too much to be comfortable for me🤣🤣
Ja das stimmt, bei meinem geht sogar ein Warnsummer an wenn ich eine Autobahnabfahrt in Kreis fliege.
Those 10 speeds need cooling and a tune for the motor and trans and it opens up the cars to longer and faster lap times
Ich fahre auch einen Mustang gt bj 2017 bin so glücklich darüber
Nice g force dice
Mustang doing Porsche things, interesting:D ( except overheating)
Now we see why it's a good idea to keep the stock tram program. Unless you upgrade the trans cooling, don't touch that in hot climate regions.
3:44 Why were you pushing the car into the rev limiter?! Just kidding :D I saw that you pressed the shift button but the car reacted too late. By the way nice lap :)
I had this happen to me once - the transmission fluid simply cooked itself and everything kind of stopped working for a while. So cooling it down won't necessarily solve the issue, though it should be fine to carefully drive to get serviced. Me, I didn't do that and the thing failed a few months later as the fluid was apparently no longer doing its job properly.
the 10R80 box in this car needs the learning turning off via coding ,plus they were under filled from factory with fluid
Noticing a pattern of people outfitting amazing cars, and not doing enough with cooling.
At least it finished the lap!
So far only driven the car on public roads and never had temperature problems. Anyway transmission cooler will be installed next year.
Unfortunately it seems the biggest issue with these mustangs is the cooling. If that was sorted out it would be great.
I bet one of those 30-40 bucks trans coolers would do the trick, some good quality hoses and you are se
No surprise the transmission overheated,even automatic Shelby models have issues with overheating when pushed hard.
The 10 speed is all pneumatically controlled, so the fluids must have been too loose for the trans to work properly.
Met testrijder Misha komt iedere te kortkoming aan het licht!
Performance pack car has a separate trans cooler and optional 10 speed auto
Hoping you'll get a chance to drive the new 2024 GT!
What oil was used in the motor and gearbox? Stock they drive 5w20 motoroil. Maybe also super thin and fast heating up gearbox oil. But yea its not a track ready car.
Can't wait for misha to drive the dark horse 🔥
That oil pressure, at the end…😮
Oil pressure is fine, it’s cruising at a lower RPM
1bar at idle…
Oil is probably at 130-140 degrees
@@matteosti1 that’s within spec lol
@@matteosti1 minimum* engine 120. And oil about 150. Its nice.😂 engine its broke i think actually.😂
9:48 RPM at 8k....hopefully thats not the issue.
I love this guy's accent.
Fast and furious gearbox incarnate
Second from South Africa 🇿🇦
Yesss! More Mustang action! So you know, Jorg at Fiege Performance (the base of Steeda Germany) is developing a A10 Automatic transmission cooler scoop, as they can overheat quite easily.
Also don't worry @mgcharoudin the Dark Horse is definitely coming to Europe and there will be a Steeda Q500 GT and a Steeda Dark Horse available in Europe soon too!
3:51 what's that company again? And do I interpret this correctly that it's a modded V3, with I assume different springs..?
Huge delay between the "click" and the actual gearshift. Reminds me of the V10 M5 gearbox.
If automatic is the owners choice, should trade the GT for a Mach 1 with the automatic. It has additional transmission and differential coolers.
These 10r80 transmissions do have issues. I’ve seen on forums that they overheat on highway drives sometimes. Some from the factory come overfilled actually which will cause overheating issues.
The issue is not immediately changing the fluid after it gets cooked. Running on half-dead trans fluid increases wear to the point where the thing IS dead in a few months. Now, if the car is 8 years old and never had the fluid changed, then it's probably mostly turned to sludge and you have no options. But on something new like this, I'd change it every year if you track it.
It started rejecting shifts around 90C... time for the bauer solution :) Tractor hyd. fluid :D
all these cars need is bigger watercooler, engine and transmission oil coolers.
282* F transmission temperature and 257* Coolant temp at 10:36
RIP little animal :(, i didnt know mustangs are so good on the track, prolly most work done from the KW suspension, didnt know the tansmition can overheat O_O
Nobody breaks your car like Misha.
Even so, the owner always laughs, I suppose it's a bit nervous, caused by the ridiculousness of having lent your car.
They continue to lend their car to Misha, it doesn't end here.
Oil pressure had me real concerned. The transmission temp was mildly concerning by comparison.
9:56 smoke coming out from the car. Crazy. Probably few more corners and the engine/transmission is dead. Oil pressure way too low in the end.
Probably blow by, oil pressure drops as it’s in a lower rpm lol.
9:48 RPM at 8k....
Misha talking about transmission is a half second delayed in shifts then clutch starts slipping 😮 mustang are better as drag car then a circuit car.
You all freaking out about the oil pressure is why cars stopped displaying it and provided dummy gauges.
Scrubbing through the video from start to end you can just watch that transmission temp gauge skyrocket
Just another day at the office...
It may have smoked just tiny bit when it got hot, maybe it was nothing.. I watched the rear view cam to see any signs
The stang came a long way from the boat it used to be. Now if only it would have a barra engine or something b58 like.
Real problem is the Mustang still feels like a boat when you're cruising. Great laptimes but on a canyon run, the rear suspension really lives in its own world.
I've had a 5.0 and a couple B58 powered cars, other than the tuning potential I think it would be a downgrade from the 5.0. 5.0 also has warrantied supercharger kits if you really want 700HP.
The Coyote has a special presence all the way from idle to redline ...along with character with the way that it almost chases redline. The Barra is heavy with the iron block & the B58 feels like an economy motor under 4k and still has torque/HP falloff at high RPM.
The Coyote in its nature is very European, glad to see Misha is loving this platform.
What Misha said
How would you rate this car among the competition within its price segment?
Really need to see a dark horse video!
8:03 I thought it was only my car that has delaying shfit
Ford's AI on their transmissions is and has always been a bit brain-dead. I remember test-driving one and almost getting t-boned due to it simply taking a full second to shift into second at a light. It.. got confused and THEN decided to shift rather abruptly. In traffic, this is.. annoying and we are used to slow shifts. On a track, this is.. worrying to say the least.
Does Apex do laps around the circuit as a passenger? I would really like to experience this feeling at least once in my life 😊TY
How do you cool down the gearbox ? Slow driving? Or high rpm? Or ghosting? I wonder.... Maybe just park it? Or do you get hot spots on the clutch gears in the gearbox?
Low rpm high gear for a couple of mins.
@@hexagonosaurus5848 thanks, slow moving
@@Blasterxp no, you need to go fast. This 10 speed mustang can go 100kmh at 1200rpm. You neex airflow for the trans cooler to cool the oil.
That car in the begining looked like the one that student engineer made from a while back.
What a shock a Mustang with overheating issues Misha 😆
However I was suprised how well it handled with KW V3’s 👌
it's not a track version...