Something I’ve been really enjoying to deal with stuff like Sheoldred is Shrapnel Blast. While I’m playing a more aggressive list my only artifact enabler’s are Synth, Desk, and Scrapwork mutt. (dragon engine is nice with blast too.) I think you could get away with Blast in an a control shell as an efficient removal spell that hits walkers and can close out a game. Only downside is no Obosh.
You got to play Magda, The Hoardmaster in your mono red 8fields deck. Can try Collector's Vault eith Daredevil loop to draw cards and also loop treasures! Synergistic deck.
Yes it's something I want to at some point. Honestly though I had to do a LOT of tinkering with the main deck to where I could start consistently winning, but I think I'm finally there. Hoardmaster requires taking the deck in a bit of a different direction, so I might turn to that after I get a few trophies with the main version under my belt, but I also might just say "screw it" and try going in a totally different direction ahead of schedule if I just can't break through with the traditional approach!
I have been thinking about when I'll try other colors in Pioneer. Honestly Black probably has first dibs because my Modern Mono Black deck is like 95% Pioneer legal cards anyway. But at some point I will probably turn my attention to Mono White too! Glad you are interested in Pioneer, it seems most of my viewers are more interested in Modern.
Do you think an myhashi style blue pioneer version of this deck would work? 8 fields, tons of counter magic and removal, and then 4 narsets + 2 days undoing, and 4 shark typhoon as the only win con besides the blue 7/7 land. That way you can draw go and counter and strip mine in spare time. Maybe add in some borrowers too.
You mean Alpine Moon? (This is Pioneer, no Blood Moon). Also I tried the green splash in both Pioneer and Modern, and just wasn't sold. Both have some advantages over other traditional options, but somehow those weren't coming up enough for me to see them yet (in Modern all options pretty much always have to involve exile or getting around One Ring's indestructibility anyway). One thing I did forget and I don't know how I did though, was that Pick Your Poison is a very clean answer to Vein Ripper, and I may have even encountered that matchup while having it in the SB and neglected to side it in. Honestly that alone makes me feel like it might have more merit in Pioneer surprisingly.
Yes, but 5 damage is also the sweet spot for hitting Vein Ripper and Sheoldred. Honestly that's one of the most frustrating things about Pioneer is how much those two cards are warping the format. At first I felt like Pioneer has less non-games than modern, but the more I play, the more I think that it's just that the matches take longer, but in the end, I still feel like I'll win my good matchups most of the time and lost my bad ones most of the time. I guess I get to play more magic, but when the outcome feels predetermined, it starts to feel like it's still non-games, just longer ones. So far only Pauper feels like a format where many matchups are capable of fairly consistently beating any other matchup given the right play choices and the right cards drawn. Then again the games in Pauper seem to very often go to time, and take almost 4 hours to complete a league, which just feels not practical. Just some thoughts I've been having, please excuse me if they don't really address what you were thinking of.
Something I’ve been really enjoying to deal with stuff like Sheoldred is Shrapnel Blast. While I’m playing a more aggressive list my only artifact enabler’s are Synth, Desk, and Scrapwork mutt. (dragon engine is nice with blast too.) I think you could get away with Blast in an a control shell as an efficient removal spell that hits walkers and can close out a game. Only downside is no Obosh.
Blast is solid, and you're right, it might be workable. I remember tinkering with it in Modern.
We'll see, thanks a lot for reminding me about it!
You got to play Magda, The Hoardmaster in your mono red 8fields deck. Can try Collector's Vault eith Daredevil loop to draw cards and also loop treasures! Synergistic deck.
Yes it's something I want to at some point.
Honestly though I had to do a LOT of tinkering with the main deck to where I could start consistently winning, but I think I'm finally there. Hoardmaster requires taking the deck in a bit of a different direction, so I might turn to that after I get a few trophies with the main version under my belt, but I also might just say "screw it" and try going in a totally different direction ahead of schedule if I just can't break through with the traditional approach!
Can we see your take on mono white mid range in pioneer?
I have been thinking about when I'll try other colors in Pioneer. Honestly Black probably has first dibs because my Modern Mono Black deck is like 95% Pioneer legal cards anyway.
But at some point I will probably turn my attention to Mono White too!
Glad you are interested in Pioneer, it seems most of my viewers are more interested in Modern.
Do you think an myhashi style blue pioneer version of this deck would work? 8 fields, tons of counter magic and removal, and then 4 narsets + 2 days undoing, and 4 shark typhoon as the only win con besides the blue 7/7 land.
That way you can draw go and counter and strip mine in spare time. Maybe add in some borrowers too.
Only issue is the counter Magix in Pioneer sucks, but there are other powerful possibilities in Mono Blue that I'm sure I'll explore at some point
Thoughts on Moons and a green splash for Pick Your Poison?
You mean Alpine Moon? (This is Pioneer, no Blood Moon).
Also I tried the green splash in both Pioneer and Modern, and just wasn't sold. Both have some advantages over other traditional options, but somehow those weren't coming up enough for me to see them yet (in Modern all options pretty much always have to involve exile or getting around One Ring's indestructibility anyway).
One thing I did forget and I don't know how I did though, was that Pick Your Poison is a very clean answer to Vein Ripper, and I may have even encountered that matchup while having it in the SB and neglected to side it in.
Honestly that alone makes me feel like it might have more merit in Pioneer surprisingly.
Kinda dangerous in this super aggressive format
Yes, but 5 damage is also the sweet spot for hitting Vein Ripper and Sheoldred. Honestly that's one of the most frustrating things about Pioneer is how much those two cards are warping the format. At first I felt like Pioneer has less non-games than modern, but the more I play, the more I think that it's just that the matches take longer, but in the end, I still feel like I'll win my good matchups most of the time and lost my bad ones most of the time. I guess I get to play more magic, but when the outcome feels predetermined, it starts to feel like it's still non-games, just longer ones. So far only Pauper feels like a format where many matchups are capable of fairly consistently beating any other matchup given the right play choices and the right cards drawn. Then again the games in Pauper seem to very often go to time, and take almost 4 hours to complete a league, which just feels not practical.
Just some thoughts I've been having, please excuse me if they don't really address what you were thinking of.
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