I've stopped playign wvw entirely as a result of this system. I had a guild I ran with for organised runs, but I really did not realise just how much I enjoyed the server community of pug commanders that I knew for years and played with in off hours. Thats gone and can never come back and I miss it so much.
THANK YOU finally someone has said it!!! This restructuring is pure crap. I miss my old server and old friends whom I have been playing for years... so sad :(
So spot on! There is so much to do to make this work better or go back to servers again and make that better with what anet learned. Instead they ignore us and are not responding in any shape or form on the most simple questions. And some people still belive matches are better when nothing have changes from Servers. The one up and one down is a proof of that Arena Net have no tools that change anything but the first match after refhuffle of people. After that it is the one up and one down that decide as it been since they removed the glicko system and replaced it with one up and one down. Which was better then the glicko but in the long run not working well when players could abuse the system and moving servers which was very normal in EU more then in NA. Yes it happen in NA but again huge difference between EU and NA around this.
Yeah.. I took a break from WvW and came back to the changes and legit they need to revert it all back to way it was. Because it feels 100% as what you said. If they wanted to make things lively again.. tournaments. Sigh.. WvW always and will be my fav. though the changes are rough to make me enjoy it like I did before these changes.
Totally agree with every point, WVW was the best MMORPG mode I've every played and now it's totally ruined. And I would emphasize I no longer feel connection with the new "team" system knowing as server before, I mean back then even if we were going to lose a match-up or garrison I would keep playing and dying for the server and names I know but know nah I simply log out I don't feel like I have to fight a losing battle and it's going to change each month anyway!!
The reason Anet made the changes in WvW is because of low population or players. Unless population drastically increases, not much will be changed or "changed back".
0:51 this is not 100% true, because we weren´t promised ANYTHING. Alliances were a solution that the players themselves initially proposed and tried to flesh out (which can still be found in the archive of the old forums). ArenaNet only said that they are "PLANNING" to implement them (this is an important difference), but they NEVER promised to actually do so (they even said that they may iterate onto the system if the need arises). And we weren´t promised changes to the tiers either, dunno where you got that from, but in neither the first overview in the new forums (which is effectively the first statement ArenaNet made on World Restructuring) nor the blogpost about world restructuring from June 2022 even mention anything regarding tiers. So that statement is factually false. Same with manipulation, this was NEVER even mentioned by ArenaNet, and it´s also a thing that no system in the world will solve, since you cannot force player-behaviour, only discourage it. The UI revamp was also ONLY shown in concept, and in context of alliances. But alliances (at least for now) were deemed too much effort for too little gain and was (for now) scrapped. And since we´re currently working with a guild-selection, a UI-revamp wouldn´t bring any benefit, as all the functionality is already there. And the API: that has already been updated, though it took some time. Selected WvW-guild, current WvW-team of the guild and current WvW-team of the player are already in the API (it even displays the new teams once the new teams got locked in, aka 3 days before the actual new season even begins) 02:01 unless ANet outright bans alt-accounting, this is a thing that will never change. It was an issue with servers, it can still be an issue with WR, and neither is it an issue WR (or anything you could do) will solve unless you outright ban alt-accounting in WvW. 02:15 this is wrong, the API DOES indeed contain your selected WvW-guild in the "wvw"-permissions. ~ 3:00 unless ANet changes balance to discourage blob-v-blob-fights, this will always happen. And if you pay attention to the balance-patches, ANet considers large-scale the primary way of play in WvW. This has always been the case ever since release, and is fundamentally anchored in how GW2 operates in its core. And due to that, it won´t ever be changed (completely putting the fact aside that world restructuring isn´t even involved in that, since large-scale combat arises from game-balance and its fundamental system, NOT population-balace, the primary "target" of world restructuring) ~ 3:44 well, trying to convince a commander you like to follow into joining a guild that YOU are also in, is straight up trying to force someone else to do as you please. Which is a good thing that you can´t do that. It should never be allowed to force a VOLUNTEER commander into something they don´t want (or can´t) do. That´s the very definition of egocentricism, and not healthy for any kind of game. ~ 4:16 reminder: scoring-changes are NOT related to world-restructuring! it´s a seperate approach to balance out matchups. And yes, it didn´t work out, but it also NEVER got even implemented correctly (especially in EU, where they messed up by implementing the NA-version). ~ 4:47 again, this is NOT a problem caused by world restructuring. this has always happened with special events, and it is also nothing any change to population-balance-systems (which world restructuring is) will change. ~ 5:24 this is objectively wrong. a new player has the option to choose a team. they will only have to aks their friends which team they are currently on. And WvW has ALWAYS been a very hard to get into mode, due to its high complexity and skill-differences. by choosing the team of people you know, and joining a guild, you actually get MORE opportunity to actually get into WvW, because you can learn from experienced players directly. Also, four weeks is not a problem, considering that some servers were near-permanently full. So depending on where your friends were, you often were literally unable to join them for YEARS. ~ 6:23 the old server-system was not polished AT ALL. if it would have been, they wouldn´t have had the need to introduce server-linkings, and discussions about a rework would never have emerged to begin with. and especially linkings have impressively proven that population-balance did NOT (not even remotely) work out under the old system. ~ 7:20 solo-roaming is completely unaffected, since, as the name implies, you´re solo anyway. small roaming-groups can always make their own guild to stay together, so that´s also not an issue (especially since we got a 6th guild-slot SPECIFICALLY for that purpose). Roaming has been dying for YEARS due to various other reasons (rewards and game-balance in particular), you can´t blame a system that doesn´t even directly interact with it for that. ~ 7:25 again, you are talking about game-balance, completely unrelated to world restructuring.
I wasn't gonna comment, but here we go. - Pedantism, both the two forum posts and the more than one blog posts outline what they were working on. Thus this is what we, as players, should be counting on would be the core features of WvW Restructuring. Sure, they never specifically used the word "PROMISE", but that's being pedantic and then you could also start to correct my grammar now that you're at it. - Alt accounts were used as an example to cover my behind, should another commenter jump in and way "what about alt accounts? you can still manipulate matches with those". You didn't hear what I said just before mentioning alt accounts. - The API doesn't have any info, about who has picked which guild, based on your guild. A guild leader can't pull a list from the API with the players who's selected their guild as WvW guild. It's all done under /account, not /guild/. And a tool that's been asked for for months is a small column in the guild panel that shows if the player has selected THIS guild as WvW guild. Guild leaders shouldn't educate themselves into programmers just so they can consume data in JSON format, put it into Excel (or whatever), and keep a list of who's with who. Adding a column to a table with a tick icon or not can't be the hardest in the world for a UI developer. Trust me, I am one. - WvW Restructuring have emphasized blob vs blob fights. Fitting a 20 man guild into a border is impossible unless you start queueing an hour before raid time. That's my point. And "large scale" shouldn't mean "entire map vs entire map" in my opinion. Funny if this is a thing 12 years after release. - I think you're misunderstanding. I'm saying you, as a player, are forced to pick between trying to convince a pug commander to join the big server guild, or play with your other guild that you raid with. Sure, nobody should be forced to join a guild. But if you want both worlds, as a player, then you're forced to pick between those two. - Reminder, I mention it as a side note, and also mention that the scoring system was scrapped again. - The lack of features, of which I mention in this video, shipped with WvW Restructuring expose the issue with long queues. If you gather into large guilds (as a result of alliances not being shipped with it), queues are longer as a result. And if you add events like WvW Rush on top of it (which they have been running twice since the beta went live), it will only make queues worse - worse than they already are. - A new player does not always have the option to pick a team, that is fact. Look at the countless forum posts, even look at players reporting in the WvW Initiative discord. I have even run into this issue on a few alt accounts that had never seen the game outside Heart of the Mists. And again, if you're a new player, with zero knowledge about which guilds you should join to get on the correct team, much is left to the players themselves to figure out. And many just give up. I'm aware of the long periods of full servers, trust me. I was on Gandara which was closed for 10 months straight, without a link for 8 of them. But just selecting a team within the new Restructuring system was meant to solve this. It just doesn't seem to be working every time. - The old server system was arguably more transparent than this new system. But if you see Restructuring from a bird's eye view, we basically have the same thing but with new names that change every 4 weeks. Nothing has basically changed on that front. - How can you say solo roaming is unaffected? Solo roaming IS effected in the sense that there's no room for them. And sure, roaming players can just form guilds, but why on earth would they? Being solo means exactly that - not playing with a big guild but on your own. Restructuring is ruining this and I think that's a sad idea. Mainly because I also enjoyed roaming, but for all the other roamers as well. Again, exposed by the lack of a match-making algorithm, and a new system that favors big guilds taking up 90% of the shard as a result of alliances not being shipped. - Idk, summarizing.
@@gabornemes7024 I've seen that happen in the past but I haven't seen it happen since the restructuring. Maybe I've been lucky with my guild placement (smallish 10-15 active players guild) as I keep getting in t2-t3 EU and be t1 before the month is over. The K/D seems to be very decent across all matchups with most k/d above 0.75 for the lowest team. Also what is much less common is people triggering the tactics on keeps followed by an attack and enemies reacting to team chat faster than your allies. People used to have alts on all servers.
@@gaiahunter3863 No troll ewps are nice yea. From what ive seen and heard from people i spoke with, its probably because i took a break when wow exp came out and now im rated low af (i play solo cuz i rotate mmos). So now i have to afk in wvw and camp reset for activity to gain participation rating and get better match ups so i can actually play? lol. I have no idea how this system can even work, teams members are shuffled around every month, theres no way to create good matchups.
World Restructuring was a bad idea. I said so in the forums from the beginning. It destroyed communities, it murdered server pride and it gave nothing in return. Now you have unkillable blobs rolling around and willbenders, harbingers and thieves killing the fun in roaming. It is bullshit. My whole guild hates it. Even worse, every player I talked to in game hates it. Bring back servers.
Yep, most ppl don't play the forum side game so they didn't have any input or say. It's a bit of a DUH moment when you say better matchups and don't understand you're removing server discords that are 100% of the organization for matchups. I made a forum side game account name to explain why removing "servers" would result in diaspora and exclusivity, but no on listened, and here we are with diaspora and exclusivity. Most guilds discords now don't allow anyone to see their secret discord notifications for forming up and they run private/hidden saying they want content while 40v1'ing. How would anyone know to fight you, your hiding!
Well i remember the older times... Either i switched servers with my guild or was lost alone on a server (there were literally about 3 players online on my team early night). So i actually like alliances where i not have to PAY to play with my guild for once and can keep a community.
RIP WvW. Everything except the rewards has changed for the worse, and rewards was never the primary reason most people played this game mode for. I could play WvW for 10 hours straight and now it's a 30 minute session at most - if - I play.
How about a situation where I could not play with some friends (that started GW2 at a later time), and they could not move server because my server was full? should I have moved server to less populated one and then not be able to play with people who stayed? could I even move back (because server will still be full)?
At some Point i like the Alliance System but just only to be able to play with my Guild. But they have really to mix up those Servers with a Healthy amount of Roamer and Smallscaler because when my Guild is not online, ofc im alone in WvW and guess whats happening? Right, 1vBlobb most of the Time lmao
wr feels like it removed any sense of wider 'team', wvw just feels like a quick-join gamemode now, trash relative to what it was previously. and holy shit, the fucking balance, actual dog food.
well; we still clinching to wvw hoping 4 a miracle, its hard to not log in and go wvw after 12 years, But the experience is just sad..... alliances is sad
One thing I mentioned in the guild chat a few days ago: "It is weird that we are finding the same people over and over again. With the new system, I'd expect that there would be a more random shuffling, so we would find different people around. But no, it's the same people over and over and over again."
its because they are trying to match make to make it more balanced, and the truth is that some guilds play at a bronze level, some at a gold, etc. so whatever level your guild is playing at, there are only a couple other guilds at this same level, so you will keep seeing them. one really big problem is that all the strong guilds are banding together and forming an alliance, so it ends up being like 2-3 guilds in every "elo" always fighting each other.
If Anet reverted WvW to the old servers, I would breathe such a sigh of relief. I know people don't like change and I've tried to be patient and get used to it, but I just don't like it. I want my server community back.
Tbh i was already happy with the old wvw system. I was happy with desolation server being able to play wvw anytime of the day with someone unlike right now.
couldn't agree more, I went from daily wvw and loving it to really meh and barely logging in since all these changes. I had commanders I loved to run with - now everyone is all over the place, familiar faces are on different teams, few discords felt fun and homie and I even though I'm more of lurker it was great to be a part of those communities and now its a total mess. I'm also in a dumb position because I play odd hours, live in EU but still play NA. Took me ages to find a server that had few commanders I really enjoyed who also covered different time slots. Now it's just quick GOB and back out I go :( I see no positive in any of this other than rework to the rewards, especially for support.
Yeah bring back the old server comunties. Id rather have a full server of guilds to play with the a few in an alliance that i cant be bothered with. Server lag and skill lag has been particularly brutal aswell. Fixing things that werent broken and by proxy breaking more things has been a trend.
I was a WVW player almost exclusively from launch until now, I didn't play as much and this Restructuring basically just killed it for me. I haven't even really stepped out into WVW after I came back a few days ago from a hiatus... Likely wont. I dont like this system.
I do like not having to take a break whenever I was playing against mag. I know the mag players liked it, but getting clouded wherever you go was not a very enjoyable experience for the rest of us. If this restructuring had not happened, I would never have started playing again
some servers are completely dead for 20 hours a day, its very rarely a mixed bag now where you have all sort of players. this is gonna kill the game mode
I came back from a 2 year break and was struck by how lonely WvW made me feel. All those old faces gone. I used to help upkeep towers and do call outs. And now I'm unsure about taking up a spot on a guild if I'm not playing long term. They could make an arena for every type of play style if they tried. A real duel zone. GvG maps for zerg lovers. Make EBG small teams only. I'll have to find my place in this new system or move on. hopefully it improves. But I can understand being jaded about it.
The server/team I'm apart of gets steam rolled all day long. I went from a decent competitive experience to being farmed. We have been green for several weeks now. Not fun
Pretty much agree with this. Just going to go on a little bit of a personal-experience and rant since i just don't bother with reddit and the gw2 official forums are just trolls hating on anyone who doesn't like the 'better, new thing'. I personally enjoyed WvW for oh.. about 6 months before the sudden flip to beta-fulltime crap we have now. I managed to make Warbringer and hold onto a few GoBs, but not enough to get everything I wanted. I was planning on working on both Conflux rings.. but that plan flew right out the window due to this. I was a casual player as I only had a few hours a day I could devote into WvW. Work late warehouse hours so I'm never around much for Primetime. I usually hooked up with Aussies in my morning as it was perfect to their evenings. You can see where this is getting worse and worse for my ability to find the right group here.. heh. I didn't care to be in a big dedicated guild because I DO NOT want to deal with leader drama and whiners who think I need to sell my soul and give up a living wage just to make their numbers look better. If they were more casual, they want you on discord. I work, I'm tired. I don't want people yapping and yelling at me to do xyz. I watch, I pay attention, I supply and build.. Direct me in game or bugger off. Which ironically I'm told the same if i'm not willing to subject myself to Discord chaos. I guess just targeting something is too much work these days. I liked roaming too, doing my own thing or randomly joining up with a few others. Had a great ol' time with some folks from Japan. We were a lovely lil havoc bunch that needed no communication, just some simple markers and common sense. Was Boonball already bad? Yeah, AFTER they nerfed corruptions and removals. They've left certain classes to completely dominate and their answer to that was to nerf Celestial which really did nothing. People are lying to themselves if they think that was truly the issue. Lets not mention how downright criminal its been to leave so many exploits available. People screaming to 'nerf stealth' instead of saying to ban PORTAL from working in wvw. Pretty much cuts down a huge chunk of shenanigans. If a singular person is still taking a T3 garri then its time to start looking into that class or admit there is a 3rd party program problem. Which they won't ever admit. Too busy patting themselves on the back with a 'job well done' on this mess of a mode. The people telling others to 'just get a guild' or saying people have 'rose tinted view of the past' erk me the most. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain with this 'pulling the ladder up behind them' approach to WvW. It favored the already large guilds and their toxic af boonball meta that got even more precious after the switch over. I hate to be the next person saying favoritism.. but its hard not to call it out here. Especially just seeing what does and doesn't get nerfed in the process of 'balance'. Oh and, of course, getting mad at PvErs who -have- to join to get legendary materials and wanting them out of the mode cause of the precious queue numbers.. good lord. It has severely hurt new players coming in as well, as its even more closed off and elitest-toxic garbo with the fear-mongering of 'omg u a spy!' and barely ANY commander wanting you around. I was on Sanctum of Rall.. it wasn't exactly the biggest server, but the comms that did run were mostly decent. I didn't have issues roaming or getting into a squad. It was league better than Sea of Sorrows and the constant weird sociopathic comm who called anyone new a spy and would kick from squads. I fail to see how the new system helps that in any way besides just making it less desirable to even bother with. Oh just get a guild.. oh you play only a couple hours? Well this guy plays 8+ a day sooo we're giving him your spot. kthxbye . I usually support and give some leeway into their thought process. But the team behind WvW needs to go to actual game design school and stop modding an MMO. Cause thats what it feels like. Both with WvW and their hamfisted balances to classes and it REALLY shows it just former players turned devs outta desperation. Explains the favortism too.
As someone who didn't play on a full-pop serve with tons of commanders, 24/7 coverage and dozens of dedicated high-level guilds who constantly pumped resources into every friendly structure... WR is exactly the same as what WvW used to be. Roaming is a cess-pool of overtuned builds and constant 4v1 duels, EB is consistently qued no matter what matchup you're in, and 'blobs' run the gamut between pugmanded bag delivery services and coordinated full-comp wrecking balls. Ultimately it remains a competitive mode, so those guilds/alliances/communities which can organize and improve themselves ultimately steam-roll those players looking for a casual PvE experience in a game mode which encourages player vs. player competition. I think what we're seeing from this video and the outcry elsewhere on reddit and forums are those players who 'had a community' but refused to join guilds and took their server for granted. I can see why someone would be upset when the game mode suddenly became so much harder to enjoy because the community you took for granted no longer exists to prop you up. The obvious, and frankly easy solution, is to find a guild you enjoy and build the community you want for yourself. It doesn't get you add revenue on youtube or views on twitch, but it would enhance your enjoyment of the game.
Tbh I don't think anet know what they're doing or what they want to do with WvW. Would think WvW would be a play space for GvG, but they use EoTM (to essentially fight as a private lobby lol) and EoTM is a entire abandoned map.... I think they want to keep WvW as a pug stomp. Before the most irritating thing for me was match imbalance in population and getting stomped for 12hours until people log on. I think the new match system we have now helps with that, but I don't think it's what Anet had in mind after release. Maybe that part of the team got the boot? Either way I would say what we have now is more tolerable and more difficult for people to manipulate, but still have mixed thoughts on if it's something Anet will improve on.
I’m a new ish player, had to do wvw for gift of battle. I work during the days and come and play late at night and wow, nothing would happen on wvw. I prefer zergs cause I’m very new to PvP so I don’t wanna constantly roam and die. But there was never pub zergs, if there was, it was stomped and then the comm left in shame. I woulda if I had the comm tag but 300g ain’t ez to come by. I don’t wanna sound like I’m a whiner but watching old wvw gameplay it looks like a blast compared to the slow n slug fest going on. He explains pretty well how it FEELS to try to get into wvw as a new player 😢
The entire game, not just WvW, was way slower and more methodical and by an order of magnitude more balanced than it is now. It wasn't perfect, but it made sense. As far as WvW is concerned, 2012-2014 are some of my best memories in gaming. WvW was very competitive during that time period. The sheer scale of fights (the map cap for players was larger) and the coordination was just on another level. People had server pride and knew each other. I could go on but I don't want to bore you, I'm just saying, you sadly missed out big time.
This is just my opinion. I am a NA player. I started playing in GW2 Beta and only play WvW with the intent of roaming / havocing. EBG is qued on almost every matchup all the time. It may sound silly, but they should either remove EBG, or make every map the same as EBG with a castle to hold in the center. Maybe this would make some people would spread out across the borderlands. Most of the time I will be running around a map and not find anyone to fight. Second, my biggest concern with Arenanet is that they don't communicate with their community. I've been playing a lot of Old School Runescape recently and it's incredibly nice to have their developers actually respond to their community members and often times will stream any upcoming changes that may potentially make it into the game. Jagex (the Old School Runescape Devs) also poll the community on what changes those members want to see. This system works soooo much better than any other that I have seen. I never hear anything from Arenanet until the changes have already taken place. An example would be the patch that made the camps and other capturing circles smaller? Who even mentioned anything about them? It's been 10 years and NOW you decide to change them randomly? It could be that I'm not looking in the right places. I wish they would just talk with their different communities WvW / PvP / PvE and discuss ways on how to make our, the consumer, experiences more engaging and enjoyable.
this video pretty much sums up everyone I knows experience with the new alliance system. I play a lot, 3 accounts all on different teams and it seems like outside of event weeks overall population is down especially on anything other than NA time! also bro your game looks amazing on video, so much better than my game looks while playing. You have any vids about settings? what kind of beats of a pc are you running? Id give my left nut for the game to look this good!
I am at one minute in the video, and I have several comments already on highly problematic aspects on this video : - we were promised an alliance system as they thought with was an overcoat of the guild system rework. Alliances were never meant to replace the bigger guilds, its only goal was to allow smaller guilds to do some kind of a "pseudo-fusion", in order to reduce the administrative work of moving every one from guild to guild. They scrapped it because it was not seen as so urgent since players already did the fusions. - better, performance based, MU. No, the main aspect of the algorithm is the number of hours played by the players. We did have the confirmation in July they also factored in the average period of activity, as well as the number of players that are usually leading squads. If performance was to be taken into account in the algorithm, it is after all these factors (and performance was never announced as a major factor anyway...) - no more tiers, algorithm. No, it was never promised. This is straight up fake news. I even went to check on the posts they made in 2018 when they were just communicating "concepts" and found no traces of stopping the tiers. - less to no manipulation. Well, except alt-accounting, which is very limited and not always match manipulation, On a more general note, I do have the impression over the last 2 months of play that the current problematic aspect that make players quit the game is fighting clouds. Currently and in the preceding linking, the 3 servers in EU T1 were all inhabited by cloud. It's also at least the case for 2 of the current T1 servers in current linking. I don't think the solution to the current situation is getting back to servers. In fact, I think it would in fact be very detrimental for the future of the game mode. What is needed, imho is : - a true and consistent LFguild system for all players, but especially for newer players. - allowing players that did not select a wvw guild to select a team amongst those their guilds were assigned to, once per MU, and this even if they are regular players. - getting rid of the tiers, and replace it with a system that would sort linkings much faster - or abandon the idea of sorting altogether - ui support to find and search guilds that are in your match up (and not on mists) - making winning your weekly match matter (and maybe ppk weight a bit more in the final result). The goal of that is mainly to motivate fighting guilds to cap and defend structure. Which also means that you have to give them what they are looking for : fighting other players, as hitting on a wall for 20 minutes under ACs to find no one ti fight once it is down is antinomic ot the very concept of fun. As for the reasons I think going back to servers is not a solution : - the community gaslit itself into server community nostalgia. On all servers I knew, guilds were just tired of the constant drama, of the never ending "map sharing meetings" that no one listened to, of the hecking politics that was into making your favorite zerg build higher on the discord's tier list. If you take look back several months before WR, it often devolved in big swearing exchanges etc. - servers were carried by their bigger guilds. The commanders that took openings and were not circled by their guildmates are counted on the fingers of one hand. The only commanders that could afford to open a tag and get shit done were very long time players, and I only know of one for the 3 servers I was active in. - which also means guild could easily die on servers - server were a bad thing for the game, the only thing really detrimental is that WR is "too little, far too late".
Idk, i've had a good time. Returning after 3yrs and had some good large scale fights. Roaming still feels the same tbh, thieves and engis and bunker eles trying to 3v1 you. I just want more people playing the mode and world restructuring feels like it's doing that. A lot of the burnout may be from the power creep of certain elite epecs and permaboon nonsense.
At first, I was very sceptical at the whole concept of it. I loved my server of 12 years and would have never left if the WR didnt happen. My main concerns were a lack of community going forward and about the fact that match manipulation could be easier, since you can get a new team every month at no additional cost. A few months in now and I can say it is not AS BAD as I thought. I am embracing the new and seeing new faces each month also is kind of nice, even though the server communites had to die for it. Now I see old faces every now and then when the algo puts us on the same team, its quite cool. SO overall I'd say it's not a complete failure, but they REALLY need to work on their inital seeding for the worlds (strong and big worlds have been starting in low tiers for every matchup since WR started, which is terrible and stupid) and get a new reward structure in place. If not for our beloved communites, we need a REASON to keep going. I recently hit max rank and UD, so my motivation to log in has shrunk regardless of WR, so the only thing that would hook me in again is a better ranking/ladder system for guilds, a reward for the work we put in each week and better distribution of team into the tiers. Overall, I give WR a 5/10 in execution but I remain somewhat hopeful for better updates in the future.
I have a wish they add something like: -2% dmg done and +2% dmg taken for every allied player within 10 meters. Meaning a blob can fight a blob similar to now if they wish, but blobbing to much against clouding becomes weaker! Hopefully making fights more interesting then 2 blobs preferbly standing on top of eachother! I think it could work to incentivise more spread out fights! Call the debuff: Battle confusion or something.
ANET is just a plain terrible game developer. WvW is just a win by blob outnumbered no strategy equals no interest go find another game do not spend your money on this game
Tell me what other MMO that has better large scale? I played black desert its worst due to some classes can burst 1 whole blob. I played ffxiv and its the same as gw2 with different objective. Arenanet is one of the best developers in pvp if you played gw1.
The competitive modes are slowly dying in GW2 🤷🏼♂️ sPvP has no hope. It’s gone. Forget it. WvW is, as suggested in Video, a good game mode, but it’s slowly dying. And it’s dying because it’s being ignored.
thats not so true whatsoever, old servers had their identity and ppls had some sort of (pride) to play on a server and call one a home with real friends and ppls that stayed in a server for years sure some ppls came and left eventually such as wvw population but it was decent, adding to this WHole let make every class to become a support somehow Killed this Shit literally, some classes lost their identity over this and blobs become a common thing where winning outnumbered fights is all most impossible and i cant even stop at this
What you fail to acknowledge is why they were making world restructuring. Player base has only ever gone down because the combat is bad. Massively worse compared to when the game released. They had to condense the player base in this manner but by doing this it kicked the legs out from under anyone still playing simple for server pride. Switching back is unlikely to bring all those players back. Fix the game play and the game will have actual growth. I’ve said it multiple times. GW2 Classic when? GW2 current would literally die if they did it.
The fact that one dev admitted semi-recently that they regret ever adding stuff like Alacrity and Quickness tells you everything. When it comes to balancing the combat they made, they have NEVER been good.
Dynamically open and close server based on the weeks que, then we can't complain about server pop until there's only one server left.. The old system was fine.
Yeah this new system is trash. SoTo and Janthir are trash. PvP is dead. Anet is smoking way too much they need to fix this game. Pver pvper or wvwer it’s all TRASH.
Glad I witnessed guilds duking it out every evening/night on EBG and other Borderlands in open fields. Was quite fun. Sadly that time is long gone because the fun in WvW is min/maxed out of the window and people lost interest and moved on to better pvp games or quit gaming.
The game play should encourage the smaller game play. They should increase the damage caps on number of players hit. The blob guilds will lose their advantages in damage soak. I don't think the restructuring is the main problem, it just exposed the main issues with the game mode more.
This video is just a crybaby text book opinion. WvW is well and will be, this fatalist approach doesn't tick with the big mass of players, it's just a small but vocal group of people that don't like anything.
Stop whiteknighting you loser. Compare WvW from 2013 to today, it's a night and day difference. What big mass of players are you talking about? WvW had queues of 200 back in the day and 24/7 action. Now it's dead most of the time, and when you get actual zerg fights, the quality of the fights is so terrible because of this boon-clownfiesta meta. How is this enjoyable?
@@qcop4921 Make some research in-game, playing wvw, lead some squads, talk to players. Try it on all types of servers, less populated or highly populated. After you gather the data, extract de markers you are interested in, put them in a pie chart. Oversimplified process ofc but still legit.
Stfu plz cuz im sure u dont play wvw imagine play vs server that has two zergs with full number cuz they made "alliance " cuz they want to domanite now all guilds stack together so u now have two or 3 servers have numbers and the rest is sh1 bk in the day when it was server vs server at least u see on each server 2 guild that do zergs or gvg beside guilds for roaming now u gonna see them merging in two servers
a new WvW player here. Not really a PvE person, I never have been. What I enjoy in a MMO is theorycrafting builds and then trying them out in duels with other players. Well, since some genius decided it is a good idea to strip players of all their gear in PvP and give them an extremely low choice of amulets/runes instead, I guess PvP is out of the question. Then I find WvW. Awesome, lets try someone to duel!...Wait. That turns out to be a pretty chalenging idea. 1. There is no arena or a place where you can have a fair duel without risking someone interfereing? Why??????????? 2. EBG map is constantly full 24/7. 3. People either run away from you or fight you when its 4v1. 4. If you happen to come accross other roamer, he is ...perma stealth thief. And so on, and so on. It is literally mindblowing to me that there is nowhere to go to duel people in this game, or am I missing something? If not, why? They dont know how to make it?
WvW was not designed for duels. However Edge of the Mists does have a separate arena where everyone can duel in a big arena. *However* perma stealth thieves can't gank and sh- on newbs in the arena so nobody goes there to wait hours on end for someone to kick their rocks.
I've stopped playign wvw entirely as a result of this system. I had a guild I ran with for organised runs, but I really did not realise just how much I enjoyed the server community of pug commanders that I knew for years and played with in off hours. Thats gone and can never come back and I miss it so much.
I knew it was a bad idea from the moment they announced they were working on it. I knew the solo player like me was going to get forked in ass.
THANK YOU finally someone has said it!!! This restructuring is pure crap. I miss my old server and old friends whom I have been playing for years... so sad :(
So spot on! There is so much to do to make this work better or go back to servers again and make that better with what anet learned. Instead they ignore us and are not responding in any shape or form on the most simple questions. And some people still belive matches are better when nothing have changes from Servers. The one up and one down is a proof of that Arena Net have no tools that change anything but the first match after refhuffle of people. After that it is the one up and one down that decide as it been since they removed the glicko system and replaced it with one up and one down. Which was better then the glicko but in the long run not working well when players could abuse the system and moving servers which was very normal in EU more then in NA. Yes it happen in NA but again huge difference between EU and NA around this.
Yeah.. I took a break from WvW and came back to the changes and legit they need to revert it all back to way it was. Because it feels 100% as what you said. If they wanted to make things lively again.. tournaments. Sigh.. WvW always and will be my fav. though the changes are rough to make me enjoy it like I did before these changes.
Totally agree with every point, WVW was the best MMORPG mode I've every played and now it's totally ruined. And I would emphasize I no longer feel connection with the new "team" system knowing as server before, I mean back then even if we were going to lose a match-up or garrison I would keep playing and dying for the server and names I know but know nah I simply log out I don't feel like I have to fight a losing battle and it's going to change each month anyway!!
The reason Anet made the changes in WvW is because of low population or players. Unless population drastically increases, not much will be changed or "changed back".
'low population' - funny, I had more queues before this WR bullshit than now...
Is this why I no longer have queues? I play wvw only for Gift of battle when I need one for crafting legendary weapons. Wvw is a deserted dryland now.
I preferred the previous system where it was server vs server. Now i have to go with my server who is basically big guilds moving together.
0:51 this is not 100% true, because we weren´t promised ANYTHING. Alliances were a solution that the players themselves initially proposed and tried to flesh out (which can still be found in the archive of the old forums). ArenaNet only said that they are "PLANNING" to implement them (this is an important difference), but they NEVER promised to actually do so (they even said that they may iterate onto the system if the need arises). And we weren´t promised changes to the tiers either, dunno where you got that from, but in neither the first overview in the new forums (which is effectively the first statement ArenaNet made on World Restructuring) nor the blogpost about world restructuring from June 2022 even mention anything regarding tiers. So that statement is factually false. Same with manipulation, this was NEVER even mentioned by ArenaNet, and it´s also a thing that no system in the world will solve, since you cannot force player-behaviour, only discourage it. The UI revamp was also ONLY shown in concept, and in context of alliances. But alliances (at least for now) were deemed too much effort for too little gain and was (for now) scrapped. And since we´re currently working with a guild-selection, a UI-revamp wouldn´t bring any benefit, as all the functionality is already there. And the API: that has already been updated, though it took some time. Selected WvW-guild, current WvW-team of the guild and current WvW-team of the player are already in the API (it even displays the new teams once the new teams got locked in, aka 3 days before the actual new season even begins)
02:01 unless ANet outright bans alt-accounting, this is a thing that will never change. It was an issue with servers, it can still be an issue with WR, and neither is it an issue WR (or anything you could do) will solve unless you outright ban alt-accounting in WvW.
02:15 this is wrong, the API DOES indeed contain your selected WvW-guild in the "wvw"-permissions.
~ 3:00 unless ANet changes balance to discourage blob-v-blob-fights, this will always happen. And if you pay attention to the balance-patches, ANet considers large-scale the primary way of play in WvW. This has always been the case ever since release, and is fundamentally anchored in how GW2 operates in its core. And due to that, it won´t ever be changed (completely putting the fact aside that world restructuring isn´t even involved in that, since large-scale combat arises from game-balance and its fundamental system, NOT population-balace, the primary "target" of world restructuring)
~ 3:44 well, trying to convince a commander you like to follow into joining a guild that YOU are also in, is straight up trying to force someone else to do as you please. Which is a good thing that you can´t do that. It should never be allowed to force a VOLUNTEER commander into something they don´t want (or can´t) do. That´s the very definition of egocentricism, and not healthy for any kind of game.
~ 4:16 reminder: scoring-changes are NOT related to world-restructuring! it´s a seperate approach to balance out matchups. And yes, it didn´t work out, but it also NEVER got even implemented correctly (especially in EU, where they messed up by implementing the NA-version).
~ 4:47 again, this is NOT a problem caused by world restructuring. this has always happened with special events, and it is also nothing any change to population-balance-systems (which world restructuring is) will change.
~ 5:24 this is objectively wrong. a new player has the option to choose a team. they will only have to aks their friends which team they are currently on. And WvW has ALWAYS been a very hard to get into mode, due to its high complexity and skill-differences. by choosing the team of people you know, and joining a guild, you actually get MORE opportunity to actually get into WvW, because you can learn from experienced players directly. Also, four weeks is not a problem, considering that some servers were near-permanently full. So depending on where your friends were, you often were literally unable to join them for YEARS.
~ 6:23 the old server-system was not polished AT ALL. if it would have been, they wouldn´t have had the need to introduce server-linkings, and discussions about a rework would never have emerged to begin with. and especially linkings have impressively proven that population-balance did NOT (not even remotely) work out under the old system.
~ 7:20 solo-roaming is completely unaffected, since, as the name implies, you´re solo anyway. small roaming-groups can always make their own guild to stay together, so that´s also not an issue (especially since we got a 6th guild-slot SPECIFICALLY for that purpose). Roaming has been dying for YEARS due to various other reasons (rewards and game-balance in particular), you can´t blame a system that doesn´t even directly interact with it for that.
~ 7:25 again, you are talking about game-balance, completely unrelated to world restructuring.
I wasn't gonna comment, but here we go.
- Pedantism, both the two forum posts and the more than one blog posts outline what they were working on. Thus this is what we, as players, should be counting on would be the core features of WvW Restructuring. Sure, they never specifically used the word "PROMISE", but that's being pedantic and then you could also start to correct my grammar now that you're at it.
- Alt accounts were used as an example to cover my behind, should another commenter jump in and way "what about alt accounts? you can still manipulate matches with those". You didn't hear what I said just before mentioning alt accounts.
- The API doesn't have any info, about who has picked which guild, based on your guild. A guild leader can't pull a list from the API with the players who's selected their guild as WvW guild. It's all done under /account, not /guild/. And a tool that's been asked for for months is a small column in the guild panel that shows if the player has selected THIS guild as WvW guild. Guild leaders shouldn't educate themselves into programmers just so they can consume data in JSON format, put it into Excel (or whatever), and keep a list of who's with who. Adding a column to a table with a tick icon or not can't be the hardest in the world for a UI developer. Trust me, I am one.
- WvW Restructuring have emphasized blob vs blob fights. Fitting a 20 man guild into a border is impossible unless you start queueing an hour before raid time. That's my point. And "large scale" shouldn't mean "entire map vs entire map" in my opinion. Funny if this is a thing 12 years after release.
- I think you're misunderstanding. I'm saying you, as a player, are forced to pick between trying to convince a pug commander to join the big server guild, or play with your other guild that you raid with. Sure, nobody should be forced to join a guild. But if you want both worlds, as a player, then you're forced to pick between those two.
- Reminder, I mention it as a side note, and also mention that the scoring system was scrapped again.
- The lack of features, of which I mention in this video, shipped with WvW Restructuring expose the issue with long queues. If you gather into large guilds (as a result of alliances not being shipped with it), queues are longer as a result. And if you add events like WvW Rush on top of it (which they have been running twice since the beta went live), it will only make queues worse - worse than they already are.
- A new player does not always have the option to pick a team, that is fact. Look at the countless forum posts, even look at players reporting in the WvW Initiative discord. I have even run into this issue on a few alt accounts that had never seen the game outside Heart of the Mists. And again, if you're a new player, with zero knowledge about which guilds you should join to get on the correct team, much is left to the players themselves to figure out. And many just give up. I'm aware of the long periods of full servers, trust me. I was on Gandara which was closed for 10 months straight, without a link for 8 of them. But just selecting a team within the new Restructuring system was meant to solve this. It just doesn't seem to be working every time.
- The old server system was arguably more transparent than this new system. But if you see Restructuring from a bird's eye view, we basically have the same thing but with new names that change every 4 weeks. Nothing has basically changed on that front.
- How can you say solo roaming is unaffected? Solo roaming IS effected in the sense that there's no room for them. And sure, roaming players can just form guilds, but why on earth would they? Being solo means exactly that - not playing with a big guild but on your own. Restructuring is ruining this and I think that's a sad idea. Mainly because I also enjoyed roaming, but for all the other roamers as well. Again, exposed by the lack of a match-making algorithm, and a new system that favors big guilds taking up 90% of the shard as a result of alliances not being shipped.
- Idk, summarizing.
Matchups are much more even now.
Communities are dead.
And big alliance/guilds are only interested in their 2-4 hour play slot.
Are they? In the past two months my team was stomped every week... hell last week we were farmed on spawn
@@gabornemes7024 I've seen that happen in the past but I haven't seen it happen since the restructuring. Maybe I've been lucky with my guild placement (smallish 10-15 active players guild) as I keep getting in t2-t3 EU and be t1 before the month is over.
The K/D seems to be very decent across all matchups with most k/d above 0.75 for the lowest team.
Also what is much less common is people triggering the tactics on keeps followed by an attack and enemies reacting to team chat faster than your allies. People used to have alts on all servers.
@@gaiahunter3863 No troll ewps are nice yea. From what ive seen and heard from people i spoke with, its probably because i took a break when wow exp came out and now im rated low af (i play solo cuz i rotate mmos). So now i have to afk in wvw and camp reset for activity to gain participation rating and get better match ups so i can actually play? lol. I have no idea how this system can even work, teams members are shuffled around every month, theres no way to create good matchups.
World Restructuring was a bad idea. I said so in the forums from the beginning.
It destroyed communities, it murdered server pride and it gave nothing in return.
Now you have unkillable blobs rolling around and willbenders, harbingers and thieves killing the fun in roaming. It is bullshit. My whole guild hates it. Even worse, every player I talked to in game hates it.
Bring back servers.
Yep, most ppl don't play the forum side game so they didn't have any input or say. It's a bit of a DUH moment when you say better matchups and don't understand you're removing server discords that are 100% of the organization for matchups. I made a forum side game account name to explain why removing "servers" would result in diaspora and exclusivity, but no on listened, and here we are with diaspora and exclusivity. Most guilds discords now don't allow anyone to see their secret discord notifications for forming up and they run private/hidden saying they want content while 40v1'ing. How would anyone know to fight you, your hiding!
Server pride has been a joke since 2012
there will be no meaningful changes implemented anymore, everyone is busy making gw3
Been posting this and about 3 other factors for why WR is bad on the GW2 forums, unfortuantly no one seem to be listening.
Well i remember the older times... Either i switched servers with my guild or was lost alone on a server (there were literally about 3 players online on my team early night). So i actually like alliances where i not have to PAY to play with my guild for once and can keep a community.
RIP WvW. Everything except the rewards has changed for the worse, and rewards was never the primary reason most people played this game mode for. I could play WvW for 10 hours straight and now it's a 30 minute session at most - if - I play.
I have to say, it sucks, I miss playing with my server.
How about a situation where I could not play with some friends (that started GW2 at a later time), and they could not move server because my server was full? should I have moved server to less populated one and then not be able to play with people who stayed? could I even move back (because server will still be full)?
At some Point i like the Alliance System but just only to be able to play with my Guild. But they have really to mix up those Servers with a Healthy amount of Roamer and Smallscaler because when my Guild is not online, ofc im alone in WvW and guess whats happening? Right, 1vBlobb most of the Time lmao
There will always be unhappy people.
wr feels like it removed any sense of wider 'team', wvw just feels like a quick-join gamemode now, trash relative to what it was previously. and holy shit, the fucking balance, actual dog food.
just be part of an alliance guild where you dont stack primetime so the algorithm can do its job lol
well; we still clinching to wvw hoping 4 a miracle, its hard to not log in and go wvw after 12 years, But the experience is just sad..... alliances is sad
One thing I mentioned in the guild chat a few days ago:
"It is weird that we are finding the same people over and over again. With the new system, I'd expect that there would be a more random shuffling, so we would find different people around. But no, it's the same people over and over and over again."
I mean, the linking feature -- the first "patch" to help smaller servers -- had more variation than the current system.
its because they are trying to match make to make it more balanced, and the truth is that some guilds play at a bronze level, some at a gold, etc. so whatever level your guild is playing at, there are only a couple other guilds at this same level, so you will keep seeing them. one really big problem is that all the strong guilds are banding together and forming an alliance, so it ends up being like 2-3 guilds in every "elo" always fighting each other.
@@asatsuki9250Alliance guilds were a mistake.
If Anet reverted WvW to the old servers, I would breathe such a sigh of relief. I know people don't like change and I've tried to be patient and get used to it, but I just don't like it. I want my server community back.
Tbh i was already happy with the old wvw system. I was happy with desolation server being able to play wvw anytime of the day with someone unlike right now.
couldn't agree more, I went from daily wvw and loving it to really meh and barely logging in since all these changes. I had commanders I loved to run with - now everyone is all over the place, familiar faces are on different teams, few discords felt fun and homie and I even though I'm more of lurker it was great to be a part of those communities and now its a total mess. I'm also in a dumb position because I play odd hours, live in EU but still play NA. Took me ages to find a server that had few commanders I really enjoyed who also covered different time slots. Now it's just quick GOB and back out I go :( I see no positive in any of this other than rework to the rewards, especially for support.
Yeah bring back the old server comunties. Id rather have a full server of guilds to play with the a few in an alliance that i cant be bothered with. Server lag and skill lag has been particularly brutal aswell. Fixing things that werent broken and by proxy breaking more things has been a trend.
I was a WVW player almost exclusively from launch until now, I didn't play as much and this Restructuring basically just killed it for me. I haven't even really stepped out into WVW after I came back a few days ago from a hiatus...
Likely wont. I dont like this system.
the only reason they did this because they are afraid to tell mag to break up
I do like not having to take a break whenever I was playing against mag. I know the mag players liked it, but getting clouded wherever you go was not a very enjoyable experience for the rest of us. If this restructuring had not happened, I would never have started playing again
GW2 is the game where temporary changes and "live betas" last for something like 4 years, so strap in, it's not getting any better
some servers are completely dead for 20 hours a day, its very rarely a mixed bag now where you have all sort of players. this is gonna kill the game mode
I came back from a 2 year break and was struck by how lonely WvW made me feel. All those old faces gone. I used to help upkeep towers and do call outs. And now I'm unsure about taking up a spot on a guild if I'm not playing long term.
They could make an arena for every type of play style if they tried. A real duel zone. GvG maps for zerg lovers. Make EBG small teams only.
I'll have to find my place in this new system or move on. hopefully it improves. But I can understand being jaded about it.
The server/team I'm apart of gets steam rolled all day long. I went from a decent competitive experience to being farmed. We have been green for several weeks now. Not fun
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Pretty much agree with this. Just going to go on a little bit of a personal-experience and rant since i just don't bother with reddit and the gw2 official forums are just trolls hating on anyone who doesn't like the 'better, new thing'.
I personally enjoyed WvW for oh.. about 6 months before the sudden flip to beta-fulltime crap we have now. I managed to make Warbringer and hold onto a few GoBs, but not enough to get everything I wanted. I was planning on working on both Conflux rings.. but that plan flew right out the window due to this. I was a casual player as I only had a few hours a day I could devote into WvW. Work late warehouse hours so I'm never around much for Primetime. I usually hooked up with Aussies in my morning as it was perfect to their evenings. You can see where this is getting worse and worse for my ability to find the right group here.. heh.
I didn't care to be in a big dedicated guild because I DO NOT want to deal with leader drama and whiners who think I need to sell my soul and give up a living wage just to make their numbers look better. If they were more casual, they want you on discord. I work, I'm tired. I don't want people yapping and yelling at me to do xyz. I watch, I pay attention, I supply and build.. Direct me in game or bugger off. Which ironically I'm told the same if i'm not willing to subject myself to Discord chaos. I guess just targeting something is too much work these days. I liked roaming too, doing my own thing or randomly joining up with a few others. Had a great ol' time with some folks from Japan. We were a lovely lil havoc bunch that needed no communication, just some simple markers and common sense.
Was Boonball already bad? Yeah, AFTER they nerfed corruptions and removals. They've left certain classes to completely dominate and their answer to that was to nerf Celestial which really did nothing. People are lying to themselves if they think that was truly the issue. Lets not mention how downright criminal its been to leave so many exploits available. People screaming to 'nerf stealth' instead of saying to ban PORTAL from working in wvw. Pretty much cuts down a huge chunk of shenanigans. If a singular person is still taking a T3 garri then its time to start looking into that class or admit there is a 3rd party program problem. Which they won't ever admit. Too busy patting themselves on the back with a 'job well done' on this mess of a mode.
The people telling others to 'just get a guild' or saying people have 'rose tinted view of the past' erk me the most. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain with this 'pulling the ladder up behind them' approach to WvW. It favored the already large guilds and their toxic af boonball meta that got even more precious after the switch over. I hate to be the next person saying favoritism.. but its hard not to call it out here. Especially just seeing what does and doesn't get nerfed in the process of 'balance'. Oh and, of course, getting mad at PvErs who -have- to join to get legendary materials and wanting them out of the mode cause of the precious queue numbers.. good lord.
It has severely hurt new players coming in as well, as its even more closed off and elitest-toxic garbo with the fear-mongering of 'omg u a spy!' and barely ANY commander wanting you around. I was on Sanctum of Rall.. it wasn't exactly the biggest server, but the comms that did run were mostly decent. I didn't have issues roaming or getting into a squad. It was league better than Sea of Sorrows and the constant weird sociopathic comm who called anyone new a spy and would kick from squads. I fail to see how the new system helps that in any way besides just making it less desirable to even bother with. Oh just get a guild.. oh you play only a couple hours? Well this guy plays 8+ a day sooo we're giving him your spot. kthxbye .
I usually support and give some leeway into their thought process. But the team behind WvW needs to go to actual game design school and stop modding an MMO. Cause thats what it feels like. Both with WvW and their hamfisted balances to classes and it REALLY shows it just former players turned devs outta desperation. Explains the favortism too.
i only started getting into WvW 3 weeks ago and I think it's fun
don't listen to people that are so wrapped up inside their own gameloop. listen to your own expirience.
If they reverted to old system, so mag will be the same as before and the other server will be dodge mag again.
I got news for you, guilds/alliances still dodge whatever world Mag gets put on
Why you rp as a good player when showing footage of a heal reaper tho
@@mateuszkorus300 Heal reaper was op when I played this game 2 months ago. Maybe it's changed? 🤷🏻 Idk, I've uninstalled
As someone who didn't play on a full-pop serve with tons of commanders, 24/7 coverage and dozens of dedicated high-level guilds who constantly pumped resources into every friendly structure... WR is exactly the same as what WvW used to be. Roaming is a cess-pool of overtuned builds and constant 4v1 duels, EB is consistently qued no matter what matchup you're in, and 'blobs' run the gamut between pugmanded bag delivery services and coordinated full-comp wrecking balls. Ultimately it remains a competitive mode, so those guilds/alliances/communities which can organize and improve themselves ultimately steam-roll those players looking for a casual PvE experience in a game mode which encourages player vs. player competition.
I think what we're seeing from this video and the outcry elsewhere on reddit and forums are those players who 'had a community' but refused to join guilds and took their server for granted. I can see why someone would be upset when the game mode suddenly became so much harder to enjoy because the community you took for granted no longer exists to prop you up.
The obvious, and frankly easy solution, is to find a guild you enjoy and build the community you want for yourself. It doesn't get you add revenue on youtube or views on twitch, but it would enhance your enjoyment of the game.
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Tbh I don't think anet know what they're doing or what they want to do with WvW. Would think WvW would be a play space for GvG, but they use EoTM (to essentially fight as a private lobby lol) and EoTM is a entire abandoned map....
I think they want to keep WvW as a pug stomp. Before the most irritating thing for me was match imbalance in population and getting stomped for 12hours until people log on. I think the new match system we have now helps with that, but I don't think it's what Anet had in mind after release. Maybe that part of the team got the boot?
Either way I would say what we have now is more tolerable and more difficult for people to manipulate, but still have mixed thoughts on if it's something Anet will improve on.
I’m a new ish player, had to do wvw for gift of battle. I work during the days and come and play late at night and wow, nothing would happen on wvw. I prefer zergs cause I’m very new to PvP so I don’t wanna constantly roam and die. But there was never pub zergs, if there was, it was stomped and then the comm left in shame. I woulda if I had the comm tag but 300g ain’t ez to come by. I don’t wanna sound like I’m a whiner but watching old wvw gameplay it looks like a blast compared to the slow n slug fest going on. He explains pretty well how it FEELS to try to get into wvw as a new player 😢
The entire game, not just WvW, was way slower and more methodical and by an order of magnitude more balanced than it is now. It wasn't perfect, but it made sense.
As far as WvW is concerned, 2012-2014 are some of my best memories in gaming. WvW was very competitive during that time period. The sheer scale of fights (the map cap for players was larger) and the coordination was just on another level. People had server pride and knew each other. I could go on but I don't want to bore you, I'm just saying, you sadly missed out big time.
This is just my opinion. I am a NA player. I started playing in GW2 Beta and only play WvW with the intent of roaming / havocing. EBG is qued on almost every matchup all the time. It may sound silly, but they should either remove EBG, or make every map the same as EBG with a castle to hold in the center. Maybe this would make some people would spread out across the borderlands. Most of the time I will be running around a map and not find anyone to fight. Second, my biggest concern with Arenanet is that they don't communicate with their community. I've been playing a lot of Old School Runescape recently and it's incredibly nice to have their developers actually respond to their community members and often times will stream any upcoming changes that may potentially make it into the game. Jagex (the Old School Runescape Devs) also poll the community on what changes those members want to see. This system works soooo much better than any other that I have seen. I never hear anything from Arenanet until the changes have already taken place. An example would be the patch that made the camps and other capturing circles smaller? Who even mentioned anything about them? It's been 10 years and NOW you decide to change them randomly? It could be that I'm not looking in the right places. I wish they would just talk with their different communities WvW / PvP / PvE and discuss ways on how to make our, the consumer, experiences more engaging and enjoyable.
this video pretty much sums up everyone I knows experience with the new alliance system. I play a lot, 3 accounts all on different teams and it seems like outside of event weeks overall population is down especially on anything other than NA time!
also bro your game looks amazing on video, so much better than my game looks while playing. You have any vids about settings? what kind of beats of a pc are you running? Id give my left nut for the game to look this good!
"Teaming" should be an option not the rearranging the entire world server. I still want to wvw with my old server but idk how to do that lmao
I am at one minute in the video, and I have several comments already on highly problematic aspects on this video :
- we were promised an alliance system as they thought with was an overcoat of the guild system rework. Alliances were never meant to replace the bigger guilds, its only goal was to allow smaller guilds to do some kind of a "pseudo-fusion", in order to reduce the administrative work of moving every one from guild to guild. They scrapped it because it was not seen as so urgent since players already did the fusions.
- better, performance based, MU. No, the main aspect of the algorithm is the number of hours played by the players. We did have the confirmation in July they also factored in the average period of activity, as well as the number of players that are usually leading squads. If performance was to be taken into account in the algorithm, it is after all these factors (and performance was never announced as a major factor anyway...)
- no more tiers, algorithm. No, it was never promised. This is straight up fake news. I even went to check on the posts they made in 2018 when they were just communicating "concepts" and found no traces of stopping the tiers.
- less to no manipulation. Well, except alt-accounting, which is very limited and not always match manipulation,
On a more general note, I do have the impression over the last 2 months of play that the current problematic aspect that make players quit the game is fighting clouds. Currently and in the preceding linking, the 3 servers in EU T1 were all inhabited by cloud. It's also at least the case for 2 of the current T1 servers in current linking.
I don't think the solution to the current situation is getting back to servers. In fact, I think it would in fact be very detrimental for the future of the game mode.
What is needed, imho is :
- a true and consistent LFguild system for all players, but especially for newer players.
- allowing players that did not select a wvw guild to select a team amongst those their guilds were assigned to, once per MU, and this even if they are regular players.
- getting rid of the tiers, and replace it with a system that would sort linkings much faster - or abandon the idea of sorting altogether
- ui support to find and search guilds that are in your match up (and not on mists)
- making winning your weekly match matter (and maybe ppk weight a bit more in the final result). The goal of that is mainly to motivate fighting guilds to cap and defend structure. Which also means that you have to give them what they are looking for : fighting other players, as hitting on a wall for 20 minutes under ACs to find no one ti fight once it is down is antinomic ot the very concept of fun.
As for the reasons I think going back to servers is not a solution :
- the community gaslit itself into server community nostalgia. On all servers I knew, guilds were just tired of the constant drama, of the never ending "map sharing meetings" that no one listened to, of the hecking politics that was into making your favorite zerg build higher on the discord's tier list. If you take look back several months before WR, it often devolved in big swearing exchanges etc.
- servers were carried by their bigger guilds. The commanders that took openings and were not circled by their guildmates are counted on the fingers of one hand. The only commanders that could afford to open a tag and get shit done were very long time players, and I only know of one for the 3 servers I was active in.
- which also means guild could easily die on servers
- server were a bad thing for the game, the only thing really detrimental is that WR is "too little, far too late".
Idk, i've had a good time. Returning after 3yrs and had some good large scale fights. Roaming still feels the same tbh, thieves and engis and bunker eles trying to 3v1 you.
I just want more people playing the mode and world restructuring feels like it's doing that.
A lot of the burnout may be from the power creep of certain elite epecs and permaboon nonsense.
At first, I was very sceptical at the whole concept of it. I loved my server of 12 years and would have never left if the WR didnt happen. My main concerns were a lack of community going forward and about the fact that match manipulation could be easier, since you can get a new team every month at no additional cost.
A few months in now and I can say it is not AS BAD as I thought. I am embracing the new and seeing new faces each month also is kind of nice, even though the server communites had to die for it. Now I see old faces every now and then when the algo puts us on the same team, its quite cool. SO overall I'd say it's not a complete failure, but they REALLY need to work on their inital seeding for the worlds (strong and big worlds have been starting in low tiers for every matchup since WR started, which is terrible and stupid) and get a new reward structure in place.
If not for our beloved communites, we need a REASON to keep going. I recently hit max rank and UD, so my motivation to log in has shrunk regardless of WR, so the only thing that would hook me in again is a better ranking/ladder system for guilds, a reward for the work we put in each week and better distribution of team into the tiers.
Overall, I give WR a 5/10 in execution but I remain somewhat hopeful for better updates in the future.
I have a wish they add something like:
-2% dmg done and +2% dmg taken for every allied player within 10 meters.
Meaning a blob can fight a blob similar to now if they wish, but blobbing to much against clouding becomes weaker!
Hopefully making fights more interesting then 2 blobs preferbly standing on top of eachother!
I think it could work to incentivise more spread out fights!
Call the debuff: Battle confusion or something.
ANET is just a plain terrible game developer. WvW is just a win by blob outnumbered no strategy equals no interest go find another game do not spend your money on this game
which other mmorpg has better large scale pvp? There is none, lol.
That's literally their design goal, they want WvW to be purely about numbers vs numbers.
Tell me what other MMO that has better large scale? I played black desert its worst due to some classes can burst 1 whole blob. I played ffxiv and its the same as gw2 with different objective. Arenanet is one of the best developers in pvp if you played gw1.
ANET at their worst are still better than every other PvP MMO Dev team at their best atm.
The competitive modes are slowly dying in GW2 🤷🏼♂️
sPvP has no hope. It’s gone. Forget it.
WvW is, as suggested in Video, a good game mode, but it’s slowly dying. And it’s dying because it’s being ignored.
its beta... matchmaking can be improved... the legacy server system was holding any real improvements back...
thats not so true whatsoever, old servers had their identity and ppls had some sort of (pride) to play on a server and call one a home with real friends and ppls that stayed in a server for years sure some ppls came and left eventually such as wvw population but it was decent, adding to this WHole let make every class to become a support somehow Killed this Shit literally, some classes lost their identity over this and blobs become a common thing where winning outnumbered fights is all most impossible and i cant even stop at this
keep repeating it as your mantra
@@AtsAreStupid whats that supposed to mean HUH ????
@@AllinSBlack means something to someone
What you fail to acknowledge is why they were making world restructuring. Player base has only ever gone down because the combat is bad. Massively worse compared to when the game released.
They had to condense the player base in this manner but by doing this it kicked the legs out from under anyone still playing simple for server pride. Switching back is unlikely to bring all those players back.
Fix the game play and the game will have actual growth. I’ve said it multiple times. GW2 Classic when? GW2 current would literally die if they did it.
The fact that one dev admitted semi-recently that they regret ever adding stuff like Alacrity and Quickness tells you everything.
When it comes to balancing the combat they made, they have NEVER been good.
Dynamically open and close server based on the weeks que, then we can't complain about server pop until there's only one server left.. The old system was fine.
Yeah this new system is trash. SoTo and Janthir are trash. PvP is dead. Anet is smoking way too much they need to fix this game. Pver pvper or wvwer it’s all TRASH.
Wish they'd also make Gifts of Battle attainable out of WvW so us PVE dudes can stop cluttering your servers haha
WvW will die then
@@צמחישראלמרום it's going to die anyways if the current state of WvW remains the norm
@@z3al0t30 true
Glad I witnessed guilds duking it out every evening/night on EBG and other Borderlands in open fields. Was quite fun. Sadly that time is long gone because the fun in WvW is min/maxed out of the window and people lost interest and moved on to better pvp games or quit gaming.
WvW is working great for wvwers who have guilds. The ones orphaned were the randoms.
If I have to join a guild to do WvW, the game mode is dead
wut? It's what the players wanted - alliances- you reap what you sow.
The game play should encourage the smaller game play. They should increase the damage caps on number of players hit. The blob guilds will lose their advantages in damage soak. I don't think the restructuring is the main problem, it just exposed the main issues with the game mode more.
ANet sucks at something, big surprise there.
This video is just a crybaby text book opinion. WvW is well and will be, this fatalist approach doesn't tick with the big mass of players, it's just a small but vocal group of people that don't like anything.
Stop whiteknighting you loser. Compare WvW from 2013 to today, it's a night and day difference. What big mass of players are you talking about? WvW had queues of 200 back in the day and 24/7 action. Now it's dead most of the time, and when you get actual zerg fights, the quality of the fights is so terrible because of this boon-clownfiesta meta. How is this enjoyable?
Small vocal minorities, big mass players. Statistics please
@@qcop4921 Make some research in-game, playing wvw, lead some squads, talk to players. Try it on all types of servers, less populated or highly populated. After you gather the data, extract de markers you are interested in, put them in a pie chart. Oversimplified process ofc but still legit.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Stfu plz cuz im sure u dont play wvw imagine play vs server that has two zergs with full number cuz they made "alliance " cuz they want to domanite now all guilds stack together so u now have two or 3 servers have numbers and the rest is sh1 bk in the day when it was server vs server at least u see on each server 2 guild that do zergs or gvg beside guilds for roaming now u gonna see them merging in two servers
a new WvW player here. Not really a PvE person, I never have been. What I enjoy in a MMO is theorycrafting builds and then trying them out in duels with other players. Well, since some genius decided it is a good idea to strip players of all their gear in PvP and give them an extremely low choice of amulets/runes instead, I guess PvP is out of the question.
Then I find WvW. Awesome, lets try someone to duel!...Wait. That turns out to be a pretty chalenging idea.
1. There is no arena or a place where you can have a fair duel without risking someone interfereing? Why???????????
2. EBG map is constantly full 24/7.
3. People either run away from you or fight you when its 4v1.
4. If you happen to come accross other roamer, he is ...perma stealth thief.
And so on, and so on. It is literally mindblowing to me that there is nowhere to go to duel people in this game, or am I missing something? If not, why? They dont know how to make it?
WvW was not designed for duels. However Edge of the Mists does have a separate arena where everyone can duel in a big arena.
*However* perma stealth thieves can't gank and sh- on newbs in the arena so nobody goes there to wait hours on end for someone to kick their rocks.
@@Kaltsukka oh, Edge of the Mists, that explaines why I dont know about it. I will check nonetheless, thank you.