yeah that's why he's got king in the name. gen 4 nidoking is the stay at home dad for their adoptive children while his wife goes and fights people for money and he doesn't feel "emmasculated" or whatever shit that asshole deoxys-defense is saying, he's just proud of her for being who she is and doing what she wants to do. as said previously here, get you a man like nidoking.
@@ricardoludwig4787even worse is the fact they don't even get the sheer force boost either. So they lose HP and let less value out of the move. Despite this, quite often Nidoking still prefers Superpower over Focus Blast, just because it doesn't miss... and it can hit things like Blissey and whatnot
I honestly love your style pf commentary where you talk about the pokemon as though they were individual fighters instead of an entire species. Like Nidoqueen and king are a married couple participating in some sort of fighters league for sport instead of a pokemon battle
It might have something to do with a decentralized meta of their introduction. These days there are more monsters which are designed around specialization. Back then it was just about who could survive body slam. Not who could tank spatial rend
They are Gen 1 pokemon. In Gen 1, they had stat totals of 410, which was not far from similarly designed mons like Golem or Machamp (both 420), or the fully evolved starters (all 425). The problem is just generational power creep, combined with the fact the Nidos are both generalists. Specialists might be able to find a niche in a power crept meta by finding ways to exploit their specialization and covering their weaknesses with good team comps and expert piloting, but generalists tend to be just outclassed by more powerful pokemon.
As a kid in my very first run of a Pokemon game with Yellow, I had a Nidoqueen that became my team's ace. Obviously I didn't really know what I was doing, but ever since Nidoqueen has been one of my favourite pokemon, far above her kingly counterpart. It warms my childish heart to see a high level metagame where she's seeing success.
This is why i think competitive pokemon really can be sometjhing special. I love stories like this of really weird, atypical, nontraditionally powerful pokemon getting dug up out of nowhere and being a legitimate piece of tech for those knowledgeable enough to use them.
It’s really fascinating seeing what tiers a bunch of pokemon are since they reflect how times have change in a metagame (if you didn’t know, a pokemon’s tier stop changing for a gen after it stops being the current gen). Like Clefable is UU but is now considered one of the best in OU. Then you have mons like Dusknoir and Electivire who are terrible in OU but sadly were used enough to not drop off.
Can u imagine if all those "Ou Pokemon by technacality" went to uu instead? At least they had something! Still don't get why they just refuse to do it! Like nobody is using dusknoir in gen 4 OU, can we use it in UU then Dang it?? *It is not the current Gen* they might say But some, like myself and others do like older gens and surely new players would love it too, if they make it more simple to understand and kept updating the tiers even after many years have passed
Skunktank is in a similar spot in Gen 4. It was overshadowed during Gen 4 by Drapion sharing its great typing, but access to Explosion and Fire Blast and superior bulk has made it fairly viable in OU since the tiers locked. Still not top tier, but it’s the best Skuntank has ever done tier wise.
@@AmoniPaleo Honestly I would love that too as a Dusknoir fan but I can understand Smogon not wanting to create a slippery slope since if you allow even one exception, the floodgates for everything pre-gen 9 will open and there will be an endless amount of people arguing and suggesting.
@@Endless_Titan Meanwhile Electivire and Dusknoir will be sitting in Ou in... I guess warming pokemons seats... They seriously have no freaking purpose other then to make players understnad how useless they are in a Hostile tier for them. I don't see the issue if they keep updating absolute insane meta games like Hackmons or something and making weird tiers with random gamemodes Are you sure there arent like 2 or 3 people there that could like idk manage old gens it seems so petty for the fact some pokemon are like being hold back from success for being in a tier apropriate for them, but no I guess Gen 9 hackmons is a very welcoming tier for brand new players to try. It seems so naive for the Smogon council not spending 4 days or 5 managing a simple problem from gen 4, because in quotes "It is always been this way" As you can tell I hate the Ou my technacality thing.
The only solution is for the people who play those retro formats to have their own votes. They run those things themselves and changes have happened before. Most notably the Sleep Ban in Gen 1 UU.
This is why gen 3 and 4 OU is my favorite meta games, because they've existed for so long as well as a being way more limited compared to current gen. Players get so creative, finding nieche things for almost any pokemon
Chlorophyll Victreebell on Sun teams (in gen 6 ou specifically, idk about the other ones) is easily my favorite niche pokemon ever. A niche mon in a niche archetype with surprisingly high sweep potential. The combination of chlorophyll making up for it's bad speed and powerful stab options in the sun, along with great fire coverage made it into a real threat. An unexpected one at that.
The Nido's always had a soft spot in my heart. Glad to see them doing well. PS: Im happy that my sub has thwarted Iron Mugulus for so long. I fear his return.
But you can breed nidoking with nidorina and nidoran female. Yea ped- Edit: i just had more research and its even worse. Tnx lolavalanche. Can confirm nidorina and nidoqueen cant breed with nidoking but nidoran f can......
The Queen and the King where on my first full team on Yellow back when I was like 6. Nidoqueen wound up the better of the two there, but that's cuz she wound up overleveled somehow. While Nidoking may be my preferred of the two, I will always appreciate the Queen. Also she's pretty great in Gen 2
Nidoqueen was actually used more than 10 years ago in gen 4 as a mainstay on hail teams for similiar reasons you mentioned. It was one of the few good infernape checks for stall teams (and could also handle other fighting threats like lucario quite well)
LOVE the DK64 and DKC music in your videos. I always thought that some of DK64's music would translate well into the background music of videos like these.
I used to play the OU ladder when Gen 4 was released, and I remember Nidoqueen as a Pokémon only used by the top players, the type of player who could read your mind, top 50 in the ladder or better. Never faced it against weak players, when I saw Nidoqueen I knew I had reached my ceiling and was about to get some awful defeats. Against weak players I would face a lot of Gyarados+Electivire, Porygon-Z with Nasty Plot or Specs, Yanmega, Roserade, Togekiss hax, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Cresselia, etc... When I faced someone with Nidoqueen, not only was my team completely unprepared, I was completely unprepared too. I didn't have the capacity to recognize how good Nidoqueen was in general, I thought only players of a certain level could use it well, so I never even tried to replicate their teams, and stuck more to SkarmBliss + balance.
This reminds me of Moltres in the current metagame. I could never imagine it being OU, even with HDB. But the stars aligned and it's now a great defensive option.
I’d like to see videos on gen 6 formats. It’s 10 years old this year and it would be interesting to see some of the ways that gen 6 metagames have evolved.
These kind of videos remind me of when I used to run sap sipper sub disable stantler in gen 5 nu, happened to destroy the most common wall that was eviolite tangela
Perhaps covering the other notable UU Pokémon that rose from the depths of UU to OU during Gen 4, Clefable. Along with the offensive coverage that Calm Mind Clefable brought along with Dugtrio that led to Arena Trap being banned in all metas from Gen 4 and onwards. False Swipe Gaming briefly covered the Dug-Clefable combo, but I would enjoy hearing your analysis of it in it's own dedicated video.
I loved Clefable rising in Gen 4 as well and love this development too. I hate the fairy type and common defenses to it are it making poison more viable and Clefable better so it's nice to see these Pokemon prove that they don't need that stupid new type to be good.
I'd love your thoughts on my favorite pokemon aesthetically and competitively. Quagsire. It sucks he's not great in gen 3 OU but he's a super great Kyogre check in Ubers
i LOVE Nidoqueen! I always liked it better than king even in the later gens bc of it's better bulk and the fact that full sp atk invested modest queen is stronger than full sp atk invested timid king
Nidoqueen is one of my favorite competitive pokemon. I have used a bold variant with reasonable succes in the pokemmo meta. Which is basically gen 5 without legendaries. I had designed a bulky offense team but it had a big hole that only Nidoqueen could fill. I needed a pokemon that could set up rocks, absorb toxic spikes, take a hit hit or 2 and have a threatening ice move. There was only 1 pokemon in the entire dex that could fill this role. Sheer force nidoqueen. Such a unique pokemon.
0:50 I figured that was a bug originally but I think gf thought it was a cool and not even particularly op so kept it. Since you only don’t take recoil on the moves that get the sheer force boost.
cofagrigus becoming relevant in gen 6 as one of few mons that can both switch in and cripple mega loppuny thanks to mummy. shoutouts to also similarly cucking mega medicham and azumarill
Could you please make a video about win conditions with a section about important final 1v1 results? An example is how Milotic can pp stall many Blissey sets and even win balanced struggle war
No. It's got great coverage but it's too easy to switch into, still underpowered, not bulky enough against the strongest threats, no recovery, and weak to key typings in the metagame.
No. Modest Nidoqueen often gets used>Timid Nidoking is some tiers where they're together because it makes Nido a better bulky ground type and a stronger breaker/rocks setter.
Really weird interaction with life orb and sheer force since it only states that the effect is for the move itself. Was that really intended by the devs?
@@ZygonCannar I know it can just be intended but I’ve lost count in how many times mistakes and bugs became features in so many different games and programs in general lol
Interesting video! But I noticed something: doesn't Toxicroak and Nidoqueen share a lot of things in common (e.g Rock resistance, Fighting resistance), so wouldn't Toxicroak be used more to queen? Would like to know about...
I know nothing about gen 4, but Toxicroak seems slightly frailer than Nidoqueen and Dry Skin might be a hindrance since it gives you a fire weakness. Heatran and Infernape seem pretty common.
@@bombermanbart3858 Like I said, idk anything about Gen 4 comp and I'm fairly new to competitive pokemon in general. I will admit I'm probably a little stuck on those two fire types in particular because they constantly come up whenever I watch something about Gen 4 and they appeared to feature in this video a fair bit as well.
Croak is smoked by psychic moves and perishes to flying moves. Croak is also alot less defensively sound, having worse defenses and lacks an electric immunity, which can be an important switch in against mons like rotom or zapdos. Croak as a result even when not dry skin cannot counter threats like heatran or infernape due to dying or being seriously injured on the switch due to its low bulk, as well as losing to faster offensive Pokemon. It can however be used to mop up a weakened team, similar to bisharps role in later gens, but it’s not anywhere near as good as bisharp in that role.
Depends on what moves you're using ..if they have no secondary effect like earthquake or aqua jet then you will take life orb damage..but moves like waterfall, ice punch, and crunch won't cause you to take damage but instead boost their power because they do have a secondary effect towards the opponent
Close Combat has looked like an error to me for several years. My main testing ground for close combat versus brick break is generation 5 super train. The information should be transferable to player versus player. With Brick Break you have a more stable long term move due to not losing defense. Being able to break screens is an added benefit to this move.
II will say the peak of Tspikes in competitive Pokémon is Gen4 AG, a tier dominated by Arceus and Darkrai (no sleep clause). The second is Gen4 Ubers, considering many top legendary Pokémons will be influenced by it. For Gen4 OU, too many top Pokémon in this tier are immune to Tspikes, so it’s not that good.
maybe im just confused but why not use nidoking is the little bit of difference stat wise that huge of an impact between the two i just need someone to explain to me why queen is overall just better than queen here thanks guys
Mostly the higher defense and HP stats is the big thing. Main reason to use the Nidos in Gen 4 is their defensive typing and utility, so the more defensive one is better. Similar to how Nidoking tends to be better in later gens as its attacking stats are a bit better
can someone explain to me two things about dpp OU: why does pikalytics show that nidoqueen(a pokemon that is suppossedly rising) had only 2.33% usage while infernape(a pokemon that is suppossedly droping) has 11.24% usage? does pikalytics use outdated data? are you people sure that these pokemon are rising and dropping?
First of all that is still more usage than she had when DPP was current. I will say that Nidoqueen isn't that good in current meta. Nidoqueen rose around 5 years ago when Clefable started skyrocketing in popularity. Nidoqueen is a good check to Fighters so she was considered the best partner to Clef; google "nidoclef" and you'll find discussion about these two on Smogon. This was also when Latias was still banned, so the meta was a lot different: more Infernape, Suicune, Swampert, offensive Zapdos (S rank), offensive Starmie (S rank), Shaymin (A rank), Celebi, Blissey, etc. Tons of pokes that are either checked by Nidoqueen or weak to Tspikes. Nowadays Gyara is considered the best sweeper in DPP by far and Breloom is the best wallbreaker, so that's two important offensive pokes that Nidoqueen does nothing against, either defensively or with Tspikes. Defensive teams use Latias as a fighting check instead and have much lower usage of Milotic and Blissey than they did when Nidoqueen was popular. A very common defensive core is Clef / Lati / Jirachi / Skarm / scarf Ttar. That is a group of 5 pokemon in which only one is affected by Tspikes, and it's not even a wall. Nidoqueen is pretty good as 6th but far from the auto-include she used to be. Very vulnerable to water-types in particular.
Maybe this is a fool's question but why isn't Nidoking viable? If they're so close in base stats and movepools and the same type and both have Poison Points, why not use King? Are Queen's better defensive stats the difference maker?
Nidoqueen is used for its defensive profile, and runs attacking moves for hitting weaknesses and without much investment. It wants to wall fighting types and set up stealth rocks/toxic spikes. Better attack doesn't help this.
@@ramon2b2t It's pretty good yeah, I imagine some mons wouldn't want it (e.g. those that rely on Scald burns) but for good old-fashioned butt-kicking it's a great ability to have
Imagine if a pokemon got sheer force and close combat?… Holy crap imagine the chaos of a risk free close combat with reckless abandoned combined with life orb…No doubt such a set would be banned.
Forgot to put Credit onscreen, shoutout to twitter.com/DarkerJenny_ who made the excellent Iron Mugulis and Iron Chugulis sprites.
man, good thing nidoking is a supportive husband despite his aggressive appearence.
His ancient ancestor Great Husband taught Nidoking well
Makes sense 😂
Im glad hes supportive despite their inability to have children
Ladies get you a man like nidoking
yeah that's why he's got king in the name. gen 4 nidoking is the stay at home dad for their adoptive children while his wife goes and fights people for money and he doesn't feel "emmasculated" or whatever shit that asshole deoxys-defense is saying, he's just proud of her for being who she is and doing what she wants to do. as said previously here, get you a man like nidoking.
The Nido duo will always be some of my faves, never had a Kalos playthrough without one
the little sequence of 4x effective moves at 5:25 was so satisfying
I like how Scizor still survives a 4x effective Fire Blast from Nidoqueen
And Scizor still lives. That low SpA stat is really coming back to bite it.
Infernape: what are you
Nidoqueen: your worst fucking nightmare
I love the design of Pokés like Nidoqueen, Nidoking, Rhydon and Tyranitar. So good to see them in the spotlight of some generations :D
Aggron too
@@goGothitaLOL Yeah! :D
The big kaiju-looking mons are favorites of mine as well
Yeah, monstruous pokés look the best.
i understand why people like them but the only ones i really like are nidoking, haxorus, and (this is a massive stretch) seismitoad
Sheer Force removes the LO recoil only if it's used on a Sheer Force boosted move
You're right.
Which is very important since a lot of sheer force pokemon get superpower and U-turn, but hate the life orb recoil involved
Eject button also doesn't proc when hit with a sheer force boosted move.
@@ricardoludwig4787even worse is the fact they don't even get the sheer force boost either. So they lose HP and let less value out of the move. Despite this, quite often Nidoking still prefers Superpower over Focus Blast, just because it doesn't miss... and it can hit things like Blissey and whatnot
I dont blame them for choosing Superpower over Focus Miss
I honestly love your style pf commentary where you talk about the pokemon as though they were individual fighters instead of an entire species. Like Nidoqueen and king are a married couple participating in some sort of fighters league for sport instead of a pokemon battle
Based on their designs, you'd imagine they have much higher stats than they actually have.
It might have something to do with a decentralized meta of their introduction. These days there are more monsters which are designed around specialization. Back then it was just about who could survive body slam. Not who could tank spatial rend
They are Gen 1 pokemon. In Gen 1, they had stat totals of 410, which was not far from similarly designed mons like Golem or Machamp (both 420), or the fully evolved starters (all 425).
The problem is just generational power creep, combined with the fact the Nidos are both generalists. Specialists might be able to find a niche in a power crept meta by finding ways to exploit their specialization and covering their weaknesses with good team comps and expert piloting, but generalists tend to be just outclassed by more powerful pokemon.
ikr?
The pokedex paints the couple as absolute monsters
They're absurdly short too
As a kid in my very first run of a Pokemon game with Yellow, I had a Nidoqueen that became my team's ace. Obviously I didn't really know what I was doing, but ever since Nidoqueen has been one of my favourite pokemon, far above her kingly counterpart. It warms my childish heart to see a high level metagame where she's seeing success.
I must say, I love Iron Mugiulus's role as an Old Money check in gen 17 ubers... truly an underrated metagame.
You can just use Long Neck though
It's always cool to see RU level pokemon have a strong niche in ubers.
This is why i think competitive pokemon really can be sometjhing special. I love stories like this of really weird, atypical, nontraditionally powerful pokemon getting dug up out of nowhere and being a legitimate piece of tech for those knowledgeable enough to use them.
It’s really fascinating seeing what tiers a bunch of pokemon are since they reflect how times have change in a metagame (if you didn’t know, a pokemon’s tier stop changing for a gen after it stops being the current gen). Like Clefable is UU but is now considered one of the best in OU. Then you have mons like Dusknoir and Electivire who are terrible in OU but sadly were used enough to not drop off.
Can u imagine if all those "Ou Pokemon by technacality" went to uu instead? At least they had something! Still don't get why they just refuse to do it!
Like nobody is using dusknoir in gen 4 OU, can we use it in UU then Dang it??
*It is not the current Gen* they might say
But some, like myself and others do like older gens and surely new players would love it too, if they make it more simple to understand and kept updating the tiers even after many years have passed
Skunktank is in a similar spot in Gen 4. It was overshadowed during Gen 4 by Drapion sharing its great typing, but access to Explosion and Fire Blast and superior bulk has made it fairly viable in OU since the tiers locked. Still not top tier, but it’s the best Skuntank has ever done tier wise.
@@AmoniPaleo Honestly I would love that too as a Dusknoir fan but I can understand Smogon not wanting to create a slippery slope since if you allow even one exception, the floodgates for everything pre-gen 9 will open and there will be an endless amount of people arguing and suggesting.
@@Endless_Titan Meanwhile Electivire and Dusknoir will be sitting in Ou in... I guess warming pokemons seats... They seriously have no freaking purpose other then to make players understnad how useless they are in a Hostile tier for them.
I don't see the issue if they keep updating absolute insane meta games like Hackmons or something and making weird tiers with random gamemodes
Are you sure there arent like 2 or 3 people there that could like idk manage old gens it seems so petty for the fact some pokemon are like being hold back from success for being in a tier apropriate for them, but no I guess Gen 9 hackmons is a very welcoming tier for brand new players to try. It seems so naive for the Smogon council not spending 4 days or 5 managing a simple problem from gen 4, because in quotes "It is always been this way"
As you can tell I hate the Ou my technacality thing.
The only solution is for the people who play those retro formats to have their own votes. They run those things themselves and changes have happened before. Most notably the Sleep Ban in Gen 1 UU.
Gen 5's Nidoking Backsprite looks so sick. Dude looks like ferocious as heck
Do you mean gen 4?
3:41 Posion POINT
Poison Touch is a different ability that can poison the opponent when YOU make contact.
Thats the comment i want to find it
Dude, these videos are just top tier. This is exactly what I look for in pokemon content.
Storm Drain Cradily gen 5 and 6 is still slept on to this very day. Nullifying water completely is an awesome team to build around, take it from me.
This is why gen 3 and 4 OU is my favorite meta games, because they've existed for so long as well as a being way more limited compared to current gen. Players get so creative, finding nieche things for almost any pokemon
Chlorophyll Victreebell on Sun teams (in gen 6 ou specifically, idk about the other ones) is easily my favorite niche pokemon ever. A niche mon in a niche archetype with surprisingly high sweep potential. The combination of chlorophyll making up for it's bad speed and powerful stab options in the sun, along with great fire coverage made it into a real threat. An unexpected one at that.
Love to see it. I love hearing about niche Pokemon roles in competitive.
The Nido's always had a soft spot in my heart. Glad to see them doing well.
PS: Im happy that my sub has thwarted Iron Mugulus for so long. I fear his return.
why cant nidoking and nidoqueen breed together but a cat and a whale can
Top 10 questions science doesn't have answers to
I think it's supposed to mirror how some female rhinos can't breed or something
Nidoqueen's in her menopause
But you can breed nidoking with nidorina and nidoran female. Yea ped-
Edit: i just had more research and its even worse. Tnx lolavalanche. Can confirm nidorina and nidoqueen cant breed with nidoking but nidoran f can......
Menopause era 💅
The nidos also have such a wide movepool that it's really hard to switch into one of them and not eat a super effective hit.
need more gen 4 content, would love to see you collab with BKC as well
The Queen and the King where on my first full team on Yellow back when I was like 6. Nidoqueen wound up the better of the two there, but that's cuz she wound up overleveled somehow.
While Nidoking may be my preferred of the two, I will always appreciate the Queen.
Also she's pretty great in Gen 2
You should make more Gen 4 content tbh
Nidoqueen was actually used more than 10 years ago in gen 4 as a mainstay on hail teams for similiar reasons you mentioned. It was one of the few good infernape checks for stall teams (and could also handle other fighting threats like lucario quite well)
If the tiers hadn't been locked, it would probably rise out of NU after the arena trap ban.
Learning so much about newer Pokémon… very cool
LOVE the DK64 and DKC music in your videos. I always thought that some of DK64's music would translate well into the background music of videos like these.
I used to play the OU ladder when Gen 4 was released, and I remember Nidoqueen as a Pokémon only used by the top players, the type of player who could read your mind, top 50 in the ladder or better. Never faced it against weak players, when I saw Nidoqueen I knew I had reached my ceiling and was about to get some awful defeats.
Against weak players I would face a lot of Gyarados+Electivire, Porygon-Z with Nasty Plot or Specs, Yanmega, Roserade, Togekiss hax, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Cresselia, etc... When I faced someone with Nidoqueen, not only was my team completely unprepared, I was completely unprepared too. I didn't have the capacity to recognize how good Nidoqueen was in general, I thought only players of a certain level could use it well, so I never even tried to replicate their teams, and stuck more to SkarmBliss + balance.
This reminds me of Moltres in the current metagame. I could never imagine it being OU, even with HDB. But the stars aligned and it's now a great defensive option.
i hope Moltres gains defog back in the near future. It will become even more of a serious choice for the meta
I’d like to see videos on gen 6 formats. It’s 10 years old this year and it would be interesting to see some of the ways that gen 6 metagames have evolved.
Old gen players are the literal epitome of
“Hey look buddy- I’m an Engineer. That means I solve problems.”
Idk if anybody has ever said this to you but the outro music always kills me 😂 idk why it just sounds so silly I love it
These kind of videos remind me of when I used to run sap sipper sub disable stantler in gen 5 nu, happened to destroy the most common wall that was eviolite tangela
Perhaps covering the other notable UU Pokémon that rose from the depths of UU to OU during Gen 4, Clefable. Along with the offensive coverage that Calm Mind Clefable brought along with Dugtrio that led to Arena Trap being banned in all metas from Gen 4 and onwards.
False Swipe Gaming briefly covered the Dug-Clefable combo, but I would enjoy hearing your analysis of it in it's own dedicated video.
Came for the content, subbed for the Iron Mugulis bits
I loved Clefable rising in Gen 4 as well and love this development too.
I hate the fairy type and common defenses to it are it making poison more viable and Clefable better so it's nice to see these Pokemon prove that they don't need that stupid new type to be good.
This is insane.
Do more, these videos are amazing!
Nidoqueen in DPP is one of the coolest stories in comp pokemon
Man you love to see it.
I'd love your thoughts on my favorite pokemon aesthetically and competitively. Quagsire. It sucks he's not great in gen 3 OU but he's a super great Kyogre check in Ubers
i LOVE Nidoqueen! I always liked it better than king even in the later gens bc of it's better bulk and the fact that full sp atk invested modest queen is stronger than full sp atk invested timid king
Nice to see Poison shine in an earlier gen.
4:54 Poor Heatran...
Back in gen 4 i always thought that rock types ought to be able to absorb stealth rock like poisons do with tspikes
I've been following the gen 4 meta the past year from diff RUclipsrs. When I first heard about nidoqueen having a rise in play, in lost my mind.
My 15year old self would be losing his mind. Always knew nidoqueen had that potential
Great video! Now what about the extremely niche usage of Nidoqueen in gen3…
Gen 4! Gen 4! Gen 4!
Jimmy did my gen!
AKCHWALLY there's another OU poison type that can absorb toxic spikes and it's tentacruel!
Nidoqueen is one of my favorite competitive pokemon. I have used a bold variant with reasonable succes in the pokemmo meta. Which is basically gen 5 without legendaries.
I had designed a bulky offense team but it had a big hole that only Nidoqueen could fill.
I needed a pokemon that could set up rocks, absorb toxic spikes, take a hit hit or 2 and have a threatening ice move.
There was only 1 pokemon in the entire dex that could fill this role. Sheer force nidoqueen. Such a unique pokemon.
4:40 Tentacruel is OU as well
Poetic that Nidoqueen would be Nidoking's Wife despite the fact that they cannot breed together. Poetic indeed.
0:50 I figured that was a bug originally but I think gf thought it was a cool and not even particularly op so kept it.
Since you only don’t take recoil on the moves that get the sheer force boost.
You should make more gen 4 content to cover: cosmic power clef, psych up jirachi, magneton over magnezone.
Jimothy is like the James Hoffman of Pokémon
Calls it poison touch, describes the effect of poison point.
cant wait for nidoqueen to wreck shit in gen 1 OU 25 years later
The nidos will always be two of my favorites
cofagrigus becoming relevant in gen 6 as one of few mons that can both switch in and cripple mega loppuny thanks to mummy. shoutouts to also similarly cucking mega medicham and azumarill
That's epic
Could you please make a video about win conditions with a section about important final 1v1 results? An example is how Milotic can pp stall many Blissey sets and even win balanced struggle war
Any video on Regice? It hasn't been seen much since he went to buy ice cream for Regigigas.
Regice is quite good in Gen 3 OU. Will cover that at some point
Do you think there is a niche for queen, in adv?
No. It's got great coverage but it's too easy to switch into, still underpowered, not bulky enough against the strongest threats, no recovery, and weak to key typings in the metagame.
Nah it's probably unviable in any tier outside of gen 4
02:10
What is Lucario doing with this right arm? Kinda sus
Am I one of the few people who prefers Nidoqueen over Nidoking?
No. Modest Nidoqueen often gets used>Timid Nidoking is some tiers where they're together because it makes Nido a better bulky ground type and a stronger breaker/rocks setter.
@@goobingtons I think he just meant design-wise you nerd
I think the life orb not dealing damage is only when done with a move that has sheer force applied (secondary effect)
Really weird interaction with life orb and sheer force since it only states that the effect is for the move itself. Was that really intended by the devs?
If it was a mistake it would have been fixed by now, Sheer force has been out since Gen 5.
@@ZygonCannar I know it can just be intended but I’ve lost count in how many times mistakes and bugs became features in so many different games and programs in general lol
Life orb only looses its damaging effect on moves that get boosted by sheet force
I am still astounded lavados actually got a role in gen 1 years later. In such a solved metagame! How?😂
My queen ❤.
Id prefer the content be geared towards these types of niche plugs that rose to solve issues but do whatever you want man
Interesting video! But I noticed something: doesn't Toxicroak and Nidoqueen share a lot of things in common (e.g Rock resistance, Fighting resistance), so wouldn't Toxicroak be used more to queen? Would like to know about...
access to Toxic Spikes is a big factor. Sand immunity aswell
I know nothing about gen 4, but Toxicroak seems slightly frailer than Nidoqueen and Dry Skin might be a hindrance since it gives you a fire weakness. Heatran and Infernape seem pretty common.
And being being immune to water moves isn't as interesting as being more weak to fire? Hm...
@@bombermanbart3858 Like I said, idk anything about Gen 4 comp and I'm fairly new to competitive pokemon in general. I will admit I'm probably a little stuck on those two fire types in particular because they constantly come up whenever I watch something about Gen 4 and they appeared to feature in this video a fair bit as well.
Croak is smoked by psychic moves and perishes to flying moves. Croak is also alot less defensively sound, having worse defenses and lacks an electric immunity, which can be an important switch in against mons like rotom or zapdos. Croak as a result even when not dry skin cannot counter threats like heatran or infernape due to dying or being seriously injured on the switch due to its low bulk, as well as losing to faster offensive Pokemon. It can however be used to mop up a weakened team, similar to bisharps role in later gens, but it’s not anywhere near as good as bisharp in that role.
How about a video on volcanion becoming a top meta threat in the past year in Oras?
Sounds interesting.
Is he saying "Revelance" at 4:21 ??
Fact:Nidoqueen sacrifice the fertility to protect her children.
love the thumbnails xD
Nido couple needs more love and buffs!
Their dex description doesnt match their stats
Every time i use a life orb on a sheer force feraligatr its always taken recoil damage and i have no idea why.
Depends on what moves you're using ..if they have no secondary effect like earthquake or aqua jet then you will take life orb damage..but moves like waterfall, ice punch, and crunch won't cause you to take damage but instead boost their power because they do have a secondary effect towards the opponent
Life orb is only negated if the move used has a secondary effect.
What item should Nidoqueen hold? I would guess leftovers for health recovery.
Close Combat has looked like an error to me for several years. My main testing ground for close combat versus brick break is generation 5 super train. The information should be transferable to player versus player. With Brick Break you have a more stable long term move due to not losing defense. Being able to break screens is an added benefit to this move.
Imagine how great magmortar would be if it had sheer force
II will say the peak of Tspikes in competitive Pokémon is Gen4 AG, a tier dominated by Arceus and Darkrai (no sleep clause). The second is Gen4 Ubers, considering many top legendary Pokémons will be influenced by it. For Gen4 OU, too many top Pokémon in this tier are immune to Tspikes, so it’s not that good.
I can't believe we have to rely on Lando-T for defeating Iron Mugulis *too*
Low key. If you bring the support. King and queen are nasty mons in let’s go.
maybe im just confused but why not use nidoking is the little bit of difference stat wise that huge of an impact between the two i just need someone to explain to me why queen is overall just better than queen here thanks guys
Mostly the higher defense and HP stats is the big thing. Main reason to use the Nidos in Gen 4 is their defensive typing and utility, so the more defensive one is better.
Similar to how Nidoking tends to be better in later gens as its attacking stats are a bit better
I wanna learn about the development of triple boom in gen 2
can someone explain to me two things about dpp OU:
why does pikalytics show that nidoqueen(a pokemon that is suppossedly rising) had only 2.33% usage while infernape(a pokemon that is suppossedly droping) has 11.24% usage?
does pikalytics use outdated data?
are you people sure that these pokemon are rising and dropping?
First of all that is still more usage than she had when DPP was current. I will say that Nidoqueen isn't that good in current meta.
Nidoqueen rose around 5 years ago when Clefable started skyrocketing in popularity. Nidoqueen is a good check to Fighters so she was considered the best partner to Clef; google "nidoclef" and you'll find discussion about these two on Smogon. This was also when Latias was still banned, so the meta was a lot different: more Infernape, Suicune, Swampert, offensive Zapdos (S rank), offensive Starmie (S rank), Shaymin (A rank), Celebi, Blissey, etc. Tons of pokes that are either checked by Nidoqueen or weak to Tspikes.
Nowadays Gyara is considered the best sweeper in DPP by far and Breloom is the best wallbreaker, so that's two important offensive pokes that Nidoqueen does nothing against, either defensively or with Tspikes. Defensive teams use Latias as a fighting check instead and have much lower usage of Milotic and Blissey than they did when Nidoqueen was popular. A very common defensive core is Clef / Lati / Jirachi / Skarm / scarf Ttar. That is a group of 5 pokemon in which only one is affected by Tspikes, and it's not even a wall. Nidoqueen is pretty good as 6th but far from the auto-include she used to be. Very vulnerable to water-types in particular.
If Clef can be the best pokemon in the universe with that abysmal BST, anything can be OU given the right moveset, typing and ability.
Sheer Force only makes you immune to Life Orb recoil IF the attack used is being boosted by Sheer Force. Use Earthquake, you will take recoil.
Maybe this is a fool's question but why isn't Nidoking viable? If they're so close in base stats and movepools and the same type and both have Poison Points, why not use King? Are Queen's better defensive stats the difference maker?
Yeah, Nidoqueen has superior defenses while Nidoking is a best offensive option. That's the difference between them.
Nidoqueen is used for its defensive profile, and runs attacking moves for hitting weaknesses and without much investment. It wants to wall fighting types and set up stealth rocks/toxic spikes. Better attack doesn't help this.
Can you do pokewilds next
Slay queen
Tentacruel too!
is this a reupload am I drunk
Howdy
I find it so strange how low the Nido's BST are. Like, theyre luteral monsters. Why so weak?
But what is nidoqueen's niche in gen 4 ubers? 🤔
with sheerforce, is there a chance to get the attack increase? or is it always there? in return for the freeze/paralysis chance?
It’s always there
@@yowza9638 damn thats op, thats a way better trade
@@ramon2b2t It's pretty good yeah, I imagine some mons wouldn't want it (e.g. those that rely on Scald burns) but for good old-fashioned butt-kicking it's a great ability to have
Imagine if a pokemon got sheer force and close combat?…
Holy crap imagine the chaos of a risk free close combat with reckless abandoned combined with life orb…No doubt such a set would be banned.
It was quite shocking for Nidoqueen to be the better option for a generation I always that Nidoking was just better