I am beginning to think the ultimate ev, is grannie's gopher. She drives it on the footpath, not much congestion, yet. No rego to pat, yet. no parking hassles, she drives right into where ever it is she is going. The best thing, it's a single seater. No annoying passengers.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 just try running the transport industry with the non existent muskrat ev semi's Will evs tow your caravan to dingo piss Creek and back home again ? Didn't Australia sell only 9 thousand ev s each year Even if it was 30 thousand evs a year it still far short of a million So 9 times 5 and abit years is 450,000 odd evs in the next 5 odd years That's a bit short of a million Not to mention the power infrastructure which in Australia is utter shit which most are coal fired power stations Also try finding a recharging station anywhere that actually worked
This reminds me of such credible statements such as " by 1990 no australian child will be living in poverty". " we will have fibre to the home in 4 years blah blah blah. Mines take years to approve if not decades.
@@saintmichael2931 Yes and the scientists were advocating to turn the Corong lakes (which is a notional park) at the enterence to Murray river into a marine enviroment by digging channels to the sea. Thankfully it didn't proceede. In the late sixties I was taught in science that the earth was cooling and in 40 years it will be to cold for planys to germinate. This was due to the ozone hole over Antarctica. I think this is still there.
If the "modern" world is divorced from reality, then by implication there must have been some prior period where everyone had a great grasp of reality. I don't think that time existed.
The reality of EV is the Plug-in Hybrid EV, aka PHEV, that has a small battery pack of 9 to 15 kWh size for daily commuting, plus a small gasoline engine for prolonged driving. This should consume 1/5 to 1/10 the battery material of a long range BEV having 50 to 100 kWh battery pack, has twice the range, yet costing half as much as a full BEV.
@@P1A2T34 No, look at the Prius Prime PHEV that is very affordable and is no more complicated than a regular Prius. The engine is rarely used and thus required very little maintenance. Look at reality instead of preconceived notion!
How many members of the EV Council (or their CEOs) actually USE (as opposed to own) an EV, especially trying to drive around regional Australia ? I find that I need to keep a "reserve" range of about 180 km when driving away from the Hume/Newell highway. This is because medium/fast chargers are only in major regional towns which are typically 90 km apart. However, multiple times I have found all chargers in a particular town are cactus so I need to move on to the next one.
@@davidfrisken1617 Extended range EVs cost a serious premium for the big battery. Compare the cost of a 180km Nissan Leaf or 230km MG to a that of a Tesla long range. Less than half the price. A mega battery weighs a ton and needs a bigger motor yet 99% of the journeys are short city commutes wasting all that energy just because occasionally you need range for a regional trip with an unreliable charge network outside of capital cities.
@@trevorspeedy6333 Range is not an issue for the vast majority who only travel 20 odd km's. For the tiny percentage in remote rural areas it is an issue which currently can only be met with dinosaur juice. Same goes for big trips. For the time being we need a cheapo basic for the short runs and most families have a second car that would be used for greater range.
@@davidfrisken1617 ROFLMAO. I live 5 minutes from the centre of my local city and still average 200kms a day to work and back. We don't all live next-door to our places of work
I’m gonna have to start to watch myself here. I just pressed the like button without even seeing the content. I’m developing bad habits because I’m never disappointed in John’s videos.
For me I don't car about the gadgets, get me there and back and doesn't cost a lot. But, that's a formula for no profit to the manufacturer. In the U.S.A. the sales of Honda Civic dropped 67 percent from a year ago. I doubt that any popular EV would be priced as low as a gaoline Civic.
Hi John . I've just returned from 3 month in UK and Europe . Just to add to the wows of owning an EV . There is an epidemic of EV theft in Europe . They remove the battery and dump the car . The batteries are sold for use on houses to assist in managing there ridiculous energy costs . It is too expensive to replace the batteries so the cars are being written off by the insurance companies . Just one more problem for EV,s were reality kicks the dunny door off its hinges .
I live in the Uk and this is the first time I’ve heard this, how did you come across this information? Also I’d think this not the case just simply because making an ev battery work with a house hold every storage project requires a good amount of technical ability far out the reach of the vast majority of people.
@@WindyJAMiller Exactly, I'm in UK, never herd of this, some idiots have cut cables off superchargers for the copper but it's not widespread. Also in Europe there is starting to be a huge battery recycling industry, eventually it will be a circular materials cycle, so the mining is not a long term concern, unlike oil gas and coal which once burnt is gone.
Well i am in the age bracket to be considered "Playing the back nine" and have the ideal situation for an EV , off street parking and a weather proof 240 V outlet in the driveway and do most of my/our limited driving in the suburbs, so range is not liable to bring on a panic, however we don't need a new "Bells and Whistles" EV driveway ornament, so in my remaining years, our ICE cars will do just fine.
I think, age wise, I'm far enough behind you not to be bothered to call "4" if I manage a good swing with the one wood, but probably not by too much. Regardless, my wife and I do so few kilometres in a year that a decent car, EV or otherwise, is not a "justifiable" purchase. Despite living in rural Victoria, range isn't an issue either. Cheap motoring is the issue and our relatively new ute and our old small sedan should do that for a number of years to come.
Likewise, I have the “ideal” circumstances to own an EV. But at almost three times the purchase price for a third of the expected serviceable life of an EV compared to my ICE vehicle, it just doesn’t make cents. Not. even. close.
They say that absence makes the heart grow fonder. There will be no diesel that you can afford, likewise with EVs, get used to walking or state rationed public transport, you live in China now...dude.
Exactly right, all you gotta do is go to any carpark in a real city like Perth or Brisbane or Darwin, and you will see the real choice of families and it’s not an electric car, it’s a hilux or land cruiser or patrol or pajero or Mitsubishi dual cab or a four cylinder Hyundai or Corolla or Kia , because these cars are real and keep running for a long time and are useable . And you can drive them across Australia .having said that I’m a Prius driver just because I like that old 2nd generation it never stops. But people like normal cars.
I agree with this and it's the same here in Africa. We love Diesel cars and 4WDs'. Not only that but the power grid isn't fully up to the task to support EV ports and places here in Africa at times places are too remote for any EV charging to even happen.
Just back from Merimbula NSW..to Melb...saw 1 tesla with a broken wheel on the side of the hwy..hit a pot hole...everything else was mostly diesel 4wd towing boats or vans..and normal petrol cars...
I would hope before then Australians will wake up to this BS & we will have a government that stops all this BS being pushed on us. I won't be holding my breath though.
Along the lines of "there is no hope for mankind": In just a few days, the US will have an election. In that election there are many candidates who are pushing claims that a quick check with google would show are simply false. It looks like many of them will indeed be elected. Given that showing problems with the 1 million vehicles and things like that require people to look things up and then do some *MATH*(may God save us) I don't expect the public to wise up until after the last penguin catches fire.
John I’m in Western Australia, the home of many mining companies including Rio Tinto, one thing that I have learnt over the last 30 years that I’ve been here is that these companies absolute experts at locating and extracting massive quantities of minerals and doing it fast. This state has the highest GDP of any in our country as a result, I have complete confidence that they will increase the speed of which they extract these minerals as required. We have done it many many times before with things like iron ore etc. please have some faith in us West Australians, we are great at digging stuff up sending it away On a side note back in February 2022 I stoped driving my high-performance twin turbo vehicle as a daily car and switched to performance spec electric and now everyone in our house prefers the electric in every way except maybe for a track day, I’m yet to test the electric at the track so for now I’ve kept both.
Methinks the WEF's statement that we will own nothing and be happy is the clue here. We won't individually own cars but rent them by the hour. That's the only way I can see the current EV technology working, in theory. I for one want my own personal transport to go where I want when I want. So unless there is a quantum leap in battery technology with alternatives to the current use of lithium etc EVs simply cannot be a feasible solution to our transport needs.
@@Knowbody42 Fossil fuels delivered freedom and prosperity. It’s no coincidence they’re the enemy in 2022 and the whole world will end if we don’t give them up. If people don’t wake up to the lies and say no the communist Jack boot will be on our throat so hard we won’t get it off.
My mum was just telling me some article she read about how every one pooing on the ev movement is just naysayers I showed her this video and she immediately didn't want to talk about it anymore and accepted the council was probably BS
I have a Holden Volt which does 70km on battery power before the petrol engine kicks in. Ideally 150kms range would eliminate any petrol usage for me in metro Perth. It's been a great car in the 5 years I have owned it.
@@mapmanlxii1715 what Andrew is saying is if the battery was bigger it would be the perfect car, now most Australians will also want a larger SUV type car, this is exactly why the Tesla model Y is so popular already. It does 400 - 500 km per charge has lots of space and does not need a combustion engine and all The complexity that goes along with it.
Man that would already give me all I need 90% of the time. Do u plug in to charge it or does it charge from the engine when the electric juice runs out?
@@shamicentertainment1262 the model y is pure electric. On the odd occasion that you do a long trip, there are roadside charges in most areas and more coming all the time.
Being an American I have news for the council we have been building electric car here for more than 12 years and we have only got just over 2.5 million total electric cars here. California has told there residents not to charge their cars between 4 pm thru 9 pm so good luck having your car charged for the next day. So these political types are just throwing BS around cause there probably isn’t enough market for that many anyway who gets rid of working cars for no good reason in this economy.
Interestingly I was looking to purchase a lounge with an electric recliner with the battery pack option ( to avoid running power cords), the battery packs were initially quoted at $198 each . Shortly after we were approached by the salesman advising the price has increased to $349 each a whopping 76% increase. I imagine this increase will find its way into EV's.
Check out Simon Michaux. We don’t have enough minerals, most notably only 20% of the copper needed to electrify. Policymakers can’t seem to think this whole folly through. Nobody is invested in mining more copper, and there is not enough if they tried.
Just last week i had to report 3 Tesla's for being parked in a multistory apartment complex in Melbourne in the underground car park as apart of my annual building inspections for fire. There's no fire suppression system for car parks available in the world that can deal with EV fires therefore they make the building non compliant and not covered under insurance as the fire system wasn't engineered for EV vehicles and is inadequate to handle a thermal runaway fire. It's becoming a trend for apartment complexes here in Melbourne and I assume elsewhere to ban EV vehicles from there car parks both above and below ground as Insurance companies are refusing to cover the building
Depends on whether they are the Tesla models with Li-ion or the newer non-flammable LiFePO4 batteries. The Chinese BYD cars have batteries that are not only LiFePO4, but also non-toxic electrolyte.
I like the idea of a Morris Minor electric conversion, a number of which have been running in the UK for a number of years. No cruise control, lane guidance, prostate heaters and other such electronic garbage that has no valid purpose in short duration local trips.
The problem with a lot of the classic car EV conversions is that they are using old second hand batteries and they only have a small amount of cells meaning no long distance journeys can be attempted.
So ......they cant build the batteries, supply the cars, charge the cars or recycle them at end of life ? Just going to hold on to my ICE car, that seems a safer idea....
Thank you for your wise and ration observations John. The part that hardly any body covers is the resulting debt that is unserviceable by many, as a 50 year old working guy with a mortgage in Auckland and child support to pay there is less than zero chance that I will a) buy a new vehicle b) that it will be electric as I don’t have the income to repay a loan of that scale as well as my mortgage prior to my retirement. The conspirist in me wonders if there is a desire to keep people in debt and therefore as working class slaves.
1 million EVs, the we will need 10,000 diesel powered machines to extract, process the materials for the batteries. Then coal fired factories to make the batteries and the cars themselves.
Yes John, you speak sense as usual. The cheapest ICE car available in Australia currently is the KIA Picanto at $15690 + onroads. The cheapest EV is the MG ZS at $45990 drive-away. That's a big difference in the real world to regular Australians. EV's claim to fame is their cheap running costs in the city. So where are the cheap EV city cars? A lot of people are going to make themselves rich at the expense of the Australian taxpayer and consumers.
Thanks John another excellent presentation. I live in a 50+ community on the Bellarine Peninsula, where we have access to an EV vehicle. It is a Hyundai not sure of the model. It has a max range of about 240 km without heating or aircon and is quite handy for the small trips to Geelong and around the Bellarine Peninsular, Melbourne city is reachable just. Any thing beyond the city centre requires a recharge stop for 30 minutes at Geelong, just to get home. OK for us but pity help the next poor bugger who wants to use the car for his important errands. He or she has to sit there for an hour or more waiting for enough electons to get pumped in. This to me is where the EV fails, its recharge time. I have a brother in the middle of South Australia and to visit him in the EV would be a nightmare. Imagine pulling up at somewhere like Kimba with a queue of 20 EVs in line waiting for a charger. With my current vehicle (Nissan Pathfinder 2103, 4 cyl, turbo diesel) 5 minutes is the refill time. i have never had to wait for a pump to become free. Range anxiety not really an issue, it can be managed but recharge time is the killer in my view.
It is the start! And wearing masks was not useless. I guess you guys are anti-science because that was what the science was saying. Wear a mask and you were less likely to catch Covid.
@@kajak012 Confirmed. I caught Covid last week. I kept my distance from my neighbor and we both wore those blue masks properly when talking but she caught it too anyway. Those masks were a safety illusion, only a custom fit N95 might actually works.
The existing ICE fleet contributes 8% of Australia's emissions. "Stationary energy" (electricity generation) contributes 50%. Wouldn't it make more sense to tackle the biggest polluters? That is, of course, if your objective was actually to reduce emissions. The policy of targeting drivers/vehicles suggests some other objective.
I will give it 0% With Kia and Hyundi only releasing 500 cars a year to Aus BMW has wait list a mile long and my dealer even said don't bother. So unless these manufactures can scale up reduce the price and give the consumer more choice they have no chance
You should send the above to Bowen and Albo There price is way too high for something that doesn't suit the market as far as distance goes. They should be looking at getting the price down to 15 to 20 grand then they might get a better up take and double the batterie life!
You forgot Rolls Royce Mitsubishi and Kepco. Otherwise point well made. If you think the submarine debacle was bad wait till someone tries to tender for a nuclear power station
Nuclear power actually works, which is exactly why the Greens oppose it. They're not trying to reduce CO2 emissions. It's just a convenient excuse to give them more power over us, and take more of our money.
@@Knowbody42 The energy is free. The infrastructure costs are not. Don't forget the sun also is the energy source in wind and hydro. Personally I think it would be far cheaper than what we do now for petrol and deisel. That is the oil is pumped out of the ground in the Middle East, sent to Singapore to be refined, sent to Australia and then trucked to delivery points around the country. Talk about a wasteful process.
How are we all going to charge these vehicles? Take a look at any street in suburbia and you will see the streets lined with vehicles considering most households have multiple vehicles between family members, will we see thousands of trip hazard cables across the nature strip out onto the footpath? Can’t wait for the first person to get sued because someone broke their neck tripping over a power cable.
thats the other problem yea street charging lol, the other is well generating enough electricity to supply the EVs, our grid is already struggling with current demand :/, guess we have to wait for the ~2030s roll out of MSRs heh
A brand new shiny service station opened in my town 2 months ago. When you count it all up there are 48 "hoses" available so in theory you could have 48 cars filling up simultaneously. There are no EV power points...I will be sticking with my two diesel vehicles for many years yet.
All the charging outlets being installed by governments, got me thinking. Why don’t we have a system similar to scooters. Instead of owning the vehicles, just download a phone app. and pay per use. When the vehicle needs recharging, swap it at a service outlet for a fully charged vehicle and keep going. I’m thinking long distance travel.
The Wuling Hongguang Mini EV is China's best selling bev with a selling price less than A$15k but such a car would not even come close to passing any of our Australian car safety standards. However would be ideal for those mentioned 15min short trips and infinitely safer than electric scooters.
@@1allan2( . So are poorly packaged Japanese and Korean varieties, point??) Certain battery chemistries are more or less similar to a tank of petrol,used wisely it is all good, use unwisely (more to do with architecture and battery management) then boom. Price and country of origin, not so much.
4:00 Although I'm sure Australia will go all electric over time, it will never work if we charge after work at 5pm, in my opinion. I can see that at least for those who go to the same location for work, that charging at work will be a common thing. I don't have a clear answer for the likes of contractors though, which is quite a large percentage of the work force..
@@danielstapler4315 :ha ha... They are normally only found in "trace" amounts - "rarely" mined as a primary, single mineral and often (Check out the history of Lynas RE for example) problematic to dispose of the associated radioactive species.. Quite common in the total crust really....
A basic ev with 100-150 Km range would be great, I found myself looking at ev conversions for a festiva I’ve got sitting waiting for me to do an engine refresh.
Yer manufacturing in Australia, our company and many more can't find skilled people, fitter turners ,machinists,toolmakers, real engineers. Not the indian and Chinese imports,,,,,, I hate to think how we would make cars in this country again.
And you are being so kind, John. If the magic wand made the miraculous conversion, we wouldn't save 8% because the majority of those electrons would be hydrocarbon derived, at least in the medium term.
I feel like your typical household is going to end up with 2 vehicles: 1 dual cab diesel ute, and 1x Electric Car (of COURSE it will have to be an SUV)
I would buy a shittoir EV tomorrow. Leave the nice cars in the garage and shit it up all the way to school, the shops and the pub on Friday arv. I need 80km range max and 0-100 in 20 sec or so. 4 seats, a basic stereo and room for school bags and shopping, 30k drive away and we have a winner. Govt could help by making EVs with less than 100kw motors free to register. The current EV offerings make absolutely no sense.
I totally agree personally but I suspect most won't be able to let go of their "tech" and "safety" stuff - the latter drives costs up significantly for small cars and of course adds weight etc.
Hi John. I think total transport carbon emissions are around 20%, with light vehicles around 8%. If all Light vehicles were EVs, the reduction in carbon would only be 8% if the electricity was completely generated without any CO2. We are miles away from that situation. Also it makes total sense for big electric companies to promote EVs as they will be able to sell us much more electricity however it is generated.
Bingo here Richard. Unless we replace the current grid with renewables only, the 8% of emissions "saved" will be offset by an even bigger increase in grid energy delivered. In the US, that's estimated to be 25% if all cars were EVs. In Australia, 20 million EVs (if we use John's Harry Potter wand) travelling 15000km per year at 15kWhrs per 100km on average. Do the math - about 21% increase in total energy delivered from the grid based on 2021 figures. That's why AGL and Origin are pushing for EVs and members of the EV Council of Austupidplace!
I was told by Mitsubishi that the wait time for a PHEV is over a year (plus deposit required). Good to see the UK has finally realised that the model of free vehicle registration for EVs is unsustainable so along with spiraling electricity costs to charge your EV the delta in operating costs is closing.
The idea to subsidies the wealthy to buy cars is lunacy. And doesn't go towards winning elections, as there are more people that can't afford the ev shit boxes than can .
I would totally be up for a bargain basement EV for my wife. She’s in her car for a total of 1 hour a week working 3 days a week with a 1 way drive of ten minutes. I’d assume there’d be loads of vehicles in Australia doing the same thing. They’re going about it all wrong. Provide for this sort of customer untill you work out how you can provide for the premium customer who’s demands are heaps higher.
@@NortyNige The Ami would be wonderful around the suburbs but it's not sold in Australia. I think it would be classed as a car here and therefore subjected to the safety regulations of cars, which it could not pass.
@@andrewwilkinson7783 I forgot that. Yes, in theory even low-speed electric scooters are illegal in some states but I think they're sold and used in all states aren't they?
It is clear that the three things holding back EV adoption are, cost (of the vehicle) range and availability of chargers. Range is improving, more chargers are being rolled out but the price is still a disincentive. Most EVs are in the $60K price bracket when compared to the median price paid for a car in Australia is about $36 the premium on an EV compared to the equivalent ICE engine is a huge disincentive to buy an EV. When the price comes down to affordable (and even the price of most ICE vehicles is on the rise due to inflation and supply chain issues) that is around $40K drive away people might seriously might consider ditching the big SUVs and utes for an EV. That won't be for a while so the 1 million EVs by 2027 is a pipe dream.
Dear John I have had Tesla cars since 2015 and my latest Model Y just went Sydney to Adelaide and back via Kyneton etc during this terrible weather etc 2800kms in a week no worries some charging for free as well It charges so quickly that I can no longer nonchalantly have a coffee etc etc That why it sold almost 4500 in Sept and was the third most popular vehicle after 2 utes ! Used car prices are tanking fast !! My neighbour bought a Y and is having real trouble selling his X5 BMW into a saturated market of used ones The Y kills it he says !!
It will happen; in my night time job, at the Narnia Rainbow Development Corp, head Wiz, Bob, reckoned that if he swivelled and held his magic rod close to me then I would be showered with all the goodness Nett Zero could produce, at that moment, and if we waited 'til later he could do it again. Finished my shift and went home. 🌟
I'm not a big fan of EV's but they serve their purpose but it's a necessary step that has to be taken to get more development into this sector. 1 Million cars by 2027 isn't a very high bar considering there are over 20 million registered cars in the country currently. 99% of these will reside in the metro areas so you won't have to worry about too many out in the rural areas. I know their range isn't great and not yet viable for these areas, but the day fuel becomes too expensive to be financially viable, we'll rue that we didn't invest enough in other technologies. It's inevitable we'll be going down the path of alternative energy sources, at the moment it's electric, who knows maybe it'll be a different source for rural areas? But I guess there will be people out there clinging onto the past scared of change and what it may bring. I'm not saying embrace this new technology but give it a chance to evolve and make everyone's lives better. Think back to the early days of automation, there were people saying that these loud, dirty machines would never replace the horse and buggy, how wrong they were.
The CO2 to manufacture EVs is much higher than for a gas powered vehicle. So1 million EVs will increase CO2 and without decarbonised energy sources the break even point is delayed. This is cart before the horse: if it is CO2 people are worried about then the energy sector needs decarbonising first and the infrastructure putting in place. Never mind the lithium road -block think how many solar panels it will take to recharge all those EVs. Plug in hybrids are even worse for CO2 the way many are driven, so don't even think of those as a "gateway". This huge extra cost of hybrids/EVs could be better spent on other measures (home insulation or better battery technology that actually works).
@@jamescaley9942 So your solution is to throw your hands in the air and do nothing? Just stick your head in the sand and hope the problem goes away. There are costs to generating electricity, that's a given, but developing in this area only makes batteries more efficient, solar cells more efficient, renewable energy more efficient. It will take some time but in the long run we will get to a point where renewables will be used more than coal. Had governments stood up to the oil companies years ago then maybe this transition would have been less controversial and less painful. But oil companies bought out a lot of innovation and had it shelved to maximise profits for them and their shareholders. They knew what carbon emissions were doing to the atmosphere 50 years ago but deliberately withheld their findings.
Back in the dim dark ages, before Noah built the ark, I owned a Land Rover. A proper one, slab seats, no floor mats or carpet, no sound proofing etc. Where I used to go with it, today's 4x4's can't go without a suspension kit, diff locks, tyres and rims...etc. My point is, the primary function of a vehicle is transport, and it has to transport the required number of occupants, the required distance, in an acceptable amount of time. Today's manufacturers have lost focus on the primary requirements of a vehicle. Additionally I, the owner, have to be able to afford to buy it, maintain it, and actually use it. The then not so old Land Rover met all of those requirements. It wasn't great on reliability compared to other vehicles in its class, but compared to todays vehicles it was extremely reliable. I can't afford an EV. I can't afford a home charger. I can't afford the additional trip time on longer journeys. I can't afford to have an additional vehicle to meet my travel requirements. Don't get me wrong, I think EV's are the future, but I don't believe that they are economically viable yet, nor do I believe that they are actually meeting end users actual requirements.
Yes on an even shorter time frame I see the same sort of thing. My current car has far fewer things to break than the current production of the same make of car. My current car has a cruise control on it that I can't remember ever using, not even on the highway. New cars have navigation built in. I had navigation on my cell phone so when I got in my old car, I had navigation. New cars have the automatic braking feature for when you have your eyes off the road trying to pick you way through the dozens of levels of menus to figure out why the heated seats are roasting your buttocks.
You can get cheap EV's from Yamaha and Club Car they come with two or six seat options, fully air condition and they have no complex computer tech to go wrong. Can also easily carry two sets of golf clubs if required.
It is very one-dimensional to think of mainstream EV development as a one-for-one replacement of the car as we know it. Right now EVs are far too expensive for the average driver to own, and the average driver is hung up about range anxiety. As much as I am a driver who likes the occasional track day, I can see the day coming where self-driving 2 or 4-seater "transport modules", or driverless taxi, will come to your front door upon being summoned by your phone app, and takes you to your appointment. It then buggers-off either to the next user or a quick-charging point. When your meeting is finished, you summon another driverless taxi to take you home. All the convenience of car ownership, zero parking hassles, zero breath testing or road traffic infringements, zero registration, zero maintenance, and instant availability if there are enough of these modules. Each one can be relatively low-tech battery-wise, because they only need to have a range of 100-150km, they don't need to be nearly 2 tonnes like a Tesla. As much as we have to fear from the WEF, their analysis of car usage is that owner only uses their car on average across the population about 4% over time. Even driving a 1 hour commute each way to work 5 days a week is just 5.9% of a .week, so that 4% figure is realistic. Why pay top dollar when 96% of your new car spend sits parked and doing nothing? Its a big price to pay. Not to mention that lithium issue mentioned in this video. That same 96% downtime means that lithium is 96% under-utilised, and could be spread around more efficiently as a society. Add to that the lighter weight and trimmed-down range of these driverless "taxis" requires maybe only half the lithium needed for a conventional EV. As much as the WEF is a scary, potentially evil empire, their maths on the limited availability of rare earths and better, more equitable distribution of such materials is pretty good food for thought. But I will never "eat ze bugs." Klaus can get lost on that one.
@@andrewjoy7044 To hit carbon zero by 2030 with 1 million EV on our current coal fired power plant is a joke. Not to mention the infrastructure won’t be able to take the load at 5:00pm. But with nuclear? maybe. But this still doesn’t solve the distribution issue totally, but might be partially amenable.
well yea nuclear power like MSRs would solve the electricity problem but they would also solve the liquid fuel problem aka no need for EVs then if you have MSRs heh
@@bencoad8492 Agreed! Thorium would be the dream! Lesser chance (harder) of making the bomb as well. I really wish MSR more so than fusion, which is still awhile off. However, they are facing some really difficult technical issues.. anyway, hopefully it’s going to happen soon.😃
Yeah because they’re so cheap with or without. A single cab prehistoric ute for 80+ thousand. There’s a reason we have them, govco is determined to destroy that reason.
The US military is looking to convert a lot of its vehicle fleet to electric. There are many advantages to doing this for some things. 1) EVs have a lot IR signature 2) Stationary generators charging EVs work out the less fuel total needed in the forward stations. 3) Smart AWD is just a matter of software on a four motor EV
Why don’t national governments talk about getting the maximum carbon abatement per kilowatt hour of batteries per year? As JC said, there is only so much lithium and other battery raw materials that can be dug up from the ground per annum. What’s the point of loading up fewer EVs around the world with massive EV ranges to only average 10kms per day and be sitting in the garage for the rest of the day. This a waste of valuable raw materials and does nothing for carbon abatement from all the ICE powered cars and trucks getting driven around cities for 100’s of kms per day? Surely vehicles that do the most kms per day should be EVs or HEVs to maximise the environmental benefits for the total battery capacity available? Eg. Buses, taxies, ride share vehicles, delivery vehicles etc.
Robo taxis before the end of 2024 in the USA I reckon, so those EVs will be on the road for 14 hours a day. The intention is for million mile batteries so 11 years use at 90K miles / 144K kilometers per year.
As someone has an EV and a 4wd, I love both of them, i use EV for daily commute and 4wd for camping and other longer trips, so the usage percentage is around 80% and 20%. With the rising petrol and diesel price and decrease in EV price, i dont feel 1 million EV on Australian Road by 2027 been too far fetched, in fact I was slightly surprised they set the target to 2027 not 2025 or earlier (based on what i can see on brsibane's road, i assume there will be more EV in Melbourne and Sydney). There are regional communities in Australia have to absolutely depend on diesel to do everything but we have to admit that compare to the rest of population, they are not that many (I have lived in North Queensland regional towns and I see no issue with having EV and 4WD to get around life). I don't see why you have to always put EV as the absolute enemy of 4wd onwers, there are definately place for both of them on the stage in Australia.
Agree with you. I think John hates or against ev because he knows that it will directly impact his business of getting commission on new car sales when anyone buys a car using his service. Even though he says that he has nothing against ev, but I don’t see him being positive or optimistic. Regardless of what the companies or councils trying to achieve, you should not criticise a good cause.
@@aslamlulaniya4987 You're very naive, what you saw in the video is a group who in their own self interest are pretending to be advocates of said "good cause". They are attempting to control the narrative, feasibility be damned. Also how is his business impacted, if it's an electric motor or a combustion ?
Thanks for the interesting facts. I want a small cheap EV with ~100 klm range to go to the shops! I would buy it tomorrow but planning on 5 years from now realistically. Solar from the roof would cover this (if i can be home during the day). I just bought a petrol Tucsan for long comfortable trips as petrol (or diesel) is the only realistic option for this application at this time and probably for the next 10 years.
You can get control centre type boxes to govern what gets charged when and where the power generated from your solar panels so you don't need to be at home at all. The boxes will send the power to your house, the grid, your car or your battery storage.
Here in NZ, 2011 model Nissan Leafs (so 11 years old) are still selling for $7,000 to $11,000. And their batteries don't "need replacing" yet. Yes the range has reduced to about 55% to 60% of what it was when new, but they're still perfectly functional cars for most city folks driving shorter distances. And uni students just going to and from uni, within the same city. Even with our disgraceful electricity prices, they still work out at a quarter the cost of petrol.
@@KiwiCatherineJemma I think that it is somewhat subjective, suggesting that a battery with a capacity of nearly half its specification "doesn't need replacing". A quick Google search would also suggest that a Nissan Leaf in NZ is about double the price that you have quoted. I doubt that many uni students could afford such a vehicle, but even if they could, if they tired of recharging the vehicle every 79-80 kms kilometres, I doubt they'd be able to afford the $10,000 Aud replacement battery. The economics of owning such a vehicle might appeal to arts students. I can't see too many students in the fields of math, engineering, accountancy and economics lining up for them, however.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I think the only reason a Nissan leaf is still the price that it is, is because the next option for a second hand ev at the moment is a 80 grand Tesla..
@@MasterofNoneTV You're probably right. But given the history that the Nissan Leaf has as an ownership proposition, I'm surprised. that anyone still wants one. Cheap recharging or not, $10k. for a battery that's typically lost a third of an already short range in only a few years is not appealing to me and it certainly isn't "cheap" motoring.
My opinion is all cars are a little over the top on luxuries and could be dialled back. But yes I agree cheap and cheerful EVs for city driving would be a great start or better yet get people out of cars all together, for city transport with much better public transport
The UK is banning the sale of ICE cars and vans in 2030. So if you want a new car that goes brum 2029. Yet we are facing power cuts this winter and are trialing the effect of asking people with smart meters to run dishwasher, washing machines etc over night to help the load balance. The green wash netzero future is going to be a dark future.
We have family spread across NSW, Vic, Canberra and Qld. We only have one car and it's 23 years! A short-range EV to run around town would still mean buying, owning and maintaining two cars, so that won't happen. I can't see myself handing over 60-80,000 of my hard-earned on better EV. With family in rural areas, there is still the question of chargers and inevitably, battery life. I've read that in some cases, replacement batteries cost more than the remaining value of the car! Hopefully, my current dinosaur car will last long enough until we see longer-range, longer-life, solid-state batteries introduced? Pigs fueled and ready to fly, I fear.
Mate of mine in regional WA has an ev for past two years . He has yet to drive it to the nearest town because his vehicle wont make the distance (500 kms)
That'll translate to around 250,000 tonnes of toxic waste with a tendency to catch fire or explode What could go wrong? Gotta be good for the biosphere.
So transporting billions of tonnes of toxic materials around the world in the form of oil, deisel and petrol that has a tendancy to catch fire and explode is good for the bioshpere?
I say yes to the shitwa ev. I don't want bells and whistles that have to be paid for. My list of feature deletes is almost as long as the feature list of new cars. I need ; abs, six speaker audio (cd and usb), manual AC and that's it. There is no need for huge acceleration abilities' as there is some one going slow in front most of the time. Ok, so a bit old school but great from a reduction in consumption perspective. For the long trips the fossil powered vehicle will get the nod. Something lost on most motoring journalists, is the existence of the partners fossil burner for non EV tasks.
1 mill EVs? simple as, Dood, just give them away in the Weeties pack. Lithium? who needs it? Didn't the head twit (twat?) at Twitter say some time ago he was going to produce batteries from mud? Seriously, making them to be sold at a sensible price would be the way to go, but charging from Staya;s crappy grid may be a bit of a worry.
A lithium EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds.(a) While there are dozens of variations, such a battery typically contains about 25 pounds of lithium, 30 pounds of cobalt, 60 pounds of nickel, 110 pounds of graphite, 90 pounds of copper,(b) about 400 pounds of steel, aluminum, and various plastic components.(c)
Looking upstream at the ore grades, one can estimate the typical quantity of rock that must be extracted from the earth and processed to yield the pure minerals needed to fabricate that single battery:
• Lithium brines typically contain less than 0.1% lithium, so that entails some 25,000 pounds of brines to get the 25 pounds of pure lithium.(d)
• Cobalt ore grades average about 0.1%, thus nearly 30,000 pounds of ore.(e)
• Nickel ore grades average about 1%, thus about 6,000 pounds of ore.(f)
• Graphite ore is typically 10%, thus about 1,000 pounds per battery.(g)
• Copper at about 0.6% in the ore, thus about 25,000 pounds of ore per battery.(h)
In total then, acquiring just these five elements to produce the 1,000-pound EV battery requires mining about 90,000 pounds of ore. To properly account for all of the earth moved though-which is relevant to the overall environmental footprint, and mining machinery energy use-one needs to estimate the overburden, or the materials first dug up to get to the ore. Depending on ore type and location, overburden ranges from about 3 to 20 tons of earth removed to access each ton of ore.(i)
This means that accessing about 90,000 pounds of ore requires digging and moving between 200,000 and over 1,500,000 pounds of earth-a rough average of more than 500,000 pounds per battery. The precise number will vary for different battery chemistry formulations, and because different regions have widely variable ore grades. It bears noting that this total material footprint does not include the large quantities of materials and chemicals used to process and refine all the various ores. Nor have we counted other materials used when compared with a conventional car, such as replacing steel with aluminum to offset the weight penalty of the battery, or the supply chain for rare earth elements used in electric motors (e.g., neodymium, dysprosium).(j) Also excluded from this tally: the related, but non-battery, electrical systems in an EV use some 300% more overall copper used compared with a conventional automobile.(k)
It's a wonder the above hasn't been taken off here by RUclips sensors as its factual and the truth! Which the ev pushers don't like and could become offended at (truth doesn't come into their arguments)
i don't doubt that its near impossible on face book to say anything factual about the climate bull shit. I got comments taken off by their fact checkers about the crap that is growing that condensation trails from aircraft are full of poison. and was found to be bollocks in 1982v by the American congress who had an enquiry in to it.
It would depend on what you class a Vehicle. E bikes or scooters for the short local bread and milk gathering trips or to the local rail. Golf carts, even Segways could be argued are vehicles.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 : e-bikes as legislated are not fit for mixed roads, 26km/h is too slow and the bikes have gotten too heavy for pedaling at sustained "traffic" speeds -beyond the assist stupidity(legals).. need to go e-moto.. But even E-motorbikes are being marketed in the "luxury segment" often with terrible, non motorcycle styling and low top end speeds. - there is hardly/not a sub $15k e-motorbike any licensed rider wants to throw a leg over.
@@kadmow The "legislators" around the globe have most certainly got it wrong when it comes to E bikes. Thank G*d for the USA. Many jurisdictions there have got it right. It is inarguable that E-moto bikes are not "too" expensive. And when you get into the likes of the Zero and the HD Livewire, they're ridiculous, the former, more so, for their willingness to "unlock" options at a premium price. But the point I was trying to make wasn't one of viability for consumers. What I was trying to convey was that smaller, lighter EV's give a lot more bang for buck than larger ones.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 : good we absolutely agree. (note I did say "as legislated" )- as far as Lithium bang for kg - bikes and golf carts all the way (just make sure they can all go AT LEAST 90KPH). I do have every relevant transport license (R-C-3A,PPL - and MC would only be a formality if needed) so none of the loopholes are too difficult to jump through, merely that the act of throwing 5-8kWh of battery (the size of 2-3 big 12V battery boxes and 45kg), a charge controller and a 20kW e-motor ends up with a bike into the $20k range, which is still less useful than a sub $10k, 400cc learner sport bike...
I am beginning to think the ultimate ev, is grannie's gopher. She drives it on the footpath, not much congestion, yet. No rego to pat, yet. no parking hassles, she drives right into where ever it is she is going. The best thing, it's a single seater. No annoying passengers.
But they don't use lithium-ion batteries! It's not an EV if it doesn't use lithium-ion batteries! Lead acid is so yesterday.
Can't have a backseat driver if there's no backseat!
Perhaps that's what the government muppets mean , a million gophers by 2027?
@@davidbrayshaw3529 just try running the transport industry with the non existent muskrat ev semi's
Will evs tow your caravan to dingo piss Creek and back home again ?
Didn't Australia sell only 9 thousand ev s each year
Even if it was 30 thousand evs a year it still far short of a million
So 9 times 5 and abit years is 450,000 odd evs in the next 5 odd years
That's a bit short of a million
Not to mention the power infrastructure which in Australia is utter shit which most are coal fired power stations
Also try finding a recharging station anywhere that actually worked
Aren't tesla and the batteries all made in China with the Chinese build quality
This reminds me of such credible statements such as " by 1990 no australian child will be living in poverty". " we will have fibre to the home in 4 years blah blah blah.
Mines take years to approve if not decades.
@@saintmichael2931 Yes and the scientists were advocating to turn the Corong lakes (which is a notional park) at the enterence to Murray river into a marine enviroment by digging channels to the sea. Thankfully it didn't proceede.
In the late sixties I was taught in science that the earth was cooling and in 40 years it will be to cold for planys to germinate. This was due to the ozone hole over Antarctica. I think this is still there.
Unfortunatelly the whole modern world is divorced from reallity.
Yeh still driving air heaters around in the 21st century
If the "modern" world is divorced from reality, then by implication there must have been some prior period where everyone had a great grasp of reality. I don't think that time existed.
The reality of EV is the Plug-in Hybrid EV, aka PHEV, that has a small battery pack of 9 to 15 kWh size for daily commuting, plus a small gasoline engine for prolonged driving. This should consume 1/5 to 1/10 the battery material of a long range BEV having 50 to 100 kWh battery pack, has twice the range, yet costing half as much as a full BEV.
@@trungson6604 true, but you have the cost, maintenance and complexity of two power systems.
@@P1A2T34 No, look at the Prius Prime PHEV that is very affordable and is no more complicated than a regular Prius. The engine is rarely used and thus required very little maintenance. Look at reality instead of preconceived notion!
We're being guilt tripped into buying a shit box ev while cruise ships are pumped out like beers at an RSL... Such a wank.
Love beers, love RSL's. Never been on a cruise or driven an EV, though. Might have to give it a shot.
How many members of the EV Council (or their CEOs) actually USE (as opposed to own) an EV, especially trying to drive around regional Australia ?
I find that I need to keep a "reserve" range of about 180 km when driving away from the Hume/Newell highway.
This is because medium/fast chargers are only in major regional towns which are typically 90 km apart. However, multiple times I have found all chargers in a particular town are cactus so I need to move on to the next one.
Range isn't the issue. It is cost of the vehicle.
@@davidfrisken1617 Extended range EVs cost a serious premium for the big battery.
Compare the cost of a 180km Nissan Leaf or 230km MG to a that of a Tesla long range. Less than half the price.
A mega battery weighs a ton and needs a bigger motor yet 99% of the journeys are short city commutes wasting all that energy just because occasionally you need range for a regional trip with an unreliable charge network outside of capital cities.
@@davidfrisken1617 how the hell is Range not an issue, where do you live. Try living out in the bush and seeing how well an EV goues
@@trevorspeedy6333 Range is not an issue for the vast majority who only travel 20 odd km's. For the tiny percentage in remote rural areas it is an issue which currently can only be met with dinosaur juice. Same goes for big trips. For the time being we need a cheapo basic for the short runs and most families have a second car that would be used for greater range.
@@davidfrisken1617 ROFLMAO. I live 5 minutes from the centre of my local city and still average 200kms a day to work and back. We don't all live next-door to our places of work
I’m gonna have to start to watch myself here. I just pressed the like button without even seeing the content. I’m developing bad habits because I’m never disappointed in John’s videos.
Me too.
Ha same....
Ditto
There's no such thing as a bad John video. Pressing the dislike button would be illegal anyway and you would be sent to the Russian front in Ukraine.
@@stanmarks3950 I spell it as 'Mee Too!'
You’ve hit the nail on the head about what EV is needed to go mainstream.
Cheap, tough, smallish, that is an appliance more than anything.
For me I don't car about the gadgets, get me there and back and doesn't cost a lot. But, that's a formula for no profit to the manufacturer. In the U.S.A. the sales of Honda Civic dropped 67 percent from a year ago. I doubt that any popular EV would be priced as low as a gaoline Civic.
"not even getting a reach around". We must be of similar vintage JC. I haven't heard that saying for many years. It's pure GOLD!!
Hi John . I've just returned from 3 month in UK and Europe . Just to add to the wows of owning an EV .
There is an epidemic of EV theft in Europe . They remove the battery and dump the car . The batteries are sold for use on houses to assist in managing there ridiculous energy costs . It is too expensive to replace the batteries so the cars are being written off by the insurance companies . Just one more problem for EV,s were reality kicks the dunny door off its hinges .
Bugger!
Thank you for a reality, to quote Baza "Your chickens will turn into emus and come back to kick the dunny down"
I live in the Uk and this is the first time I’ve heard this, how did you come across this information? Also I’d think this not the case just simply because making an ev battery work with a house hold every storage project requires a good amount of technical ability far out the reach of the vast majority of people.
@@WindyJAMiller Exactly, I'm in UK, never herd of this, some idiots have cut cables off superchargers for the copper but it's not widespread. Also in Europe there is starting to be a huge battery recycling industry, eventually it will be a circular materials cycle, so the mining is not a long term concern, unlike oil gas and coal which once burnt is gone.
@@WindyJAMiller Yes, same here, and i can find NOTHING online to back up Howard's 'claims'.
Well i am in the age bracket to be considered "Playing the back nine" and have the ideal situation for an EV , off street parking and a weather proof 240 V outlet in the driveway and do most of my/our limited driving in the suburbs, so range is not liable to bring on a panic, however we don't need a new "Bells and Whistles" EV driveway ornament, so in my remaining years, our ICE cars will do just fine.
I think, age wise, I'm far enough behind you not to be bothered to call "4" if I manage a good swing with the one wood, but probably not by too much.
Regardless, my wife and I do so few kilometres in a year that a decent car, EV or otherwise, is not a "justifiable" purchase. Despite living in rural Victoria, range isn't an issue either. Cheap motoring is the issue and our relatively new ute and our old small sedan should do that for a number of years to come.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 We Agree, Thanks for that.
Likewise, I have the “ideal” circumstances to own an EV. But at almost three times the purchase price for a third of the expected serviceable life of an EV compared to my ICE vehicle, it just doesn’t make cents. Not. even. close.
@@nobody6056 There is also too much work to be done to get the infrastructure in place.
Well said mate. EV are a long way off taking over the country. Australians love their 4x4 diesel vehicles.
They say that absence makes the heart grow fonder. There will be no diesel that you can afford, likewise with EVs, get used to walking or state rationed public transport, you live in China now...dude.
Love? You mean driving what's practical and does the job
Exactly right, all you gotta do is go to any carpark in a real city like Perth or Brisbane or Darwin, and you will see the real choice of families and it’s not an electric car, it’s a hilux or land cruiser or patrol or pajero or Mitsubishi dual cab or a four cylinder Hyundai or Corolla or Kia , because these cars are real and keep running for a long time and are useable . And you can drive them across Australia .having said that I’m a Prius driver just because I like that old 2nd generation it never stops. But people like normal cars.
At $2.35 per litre of Diesel they'd have to love it. Love the smell, love the particulates, love the DPF failures.
I agree with this and it's the same here in Africa. We love Diesel cars and 4WDs'. Not only that but the power grid isn't fully up to the task to support EV ports and places here in Africa at times places are too remote for any EV charging to even happen.
Just back from Merimbula NSW..to Melb...saw 1 tesla with a broken wheel on the side of the hwy..hit a pot hole...everything else was mostly diesel 4wd towing boats or vans..and normal petrol cars...
I would hope before then Australians will wake up to this BS & we will have a government that stops all this BS being pushed on us. I won't be holding my breath though.
Unless you're a member of the card carrying Virtue Signal Brigade.
Yes , but they won’t change direction though until we’re over the edge maybe.
The BS is being pushed onto us by the government.
Along the lines of "there is no hope for mankind": In just a few days, the US will have an election. In that election there are many candidates who are pushing claims that a quick check with google would show are simply false. It looks like many of them will indeed be elected. Given that showing problems with the 1 million vehicles and things like that require people to look things up and then do some *MATH*(may God save us) I don't expect the public to wise up until after the last penguin catches fire.
If they stopped knocking down coal fired power stations electricity would still be really cheap
John I’m in Western Australia, the home of many mining companies including Rio Tinto, one thing that I have learnt over the last 30 years that I’ve been here is that these companies absolute experts at locating and extracting massive quantities of minerals and doing it fast. This state has the highest GDP of any in our country as a result, I have complete confidence that they will increase the speed of which they extract these minerals as required. We have done it many many times before with things like iron ore etc. please have some faith in us West Australians, we are great at digging stuff up sending it away
On a side note back in February 2022 I stoped driving my high-performance twin turbo vehicle as a daily car and switched to performance spec electric and now everyone in our house prefers the electric in every way except maybe for a track day, I’m yet to test the electric at the track so for now I’ve kept both.
I know you're talking Australia, but your words are right for the entire world. Thank you 😊
John, you are a legend. A teller of the truth.
But Teller doesn't talk. Penn is the one who talks.
He didn't say the truth at the end!
Methinks the WEF's statement that we will own nothing and be happy is the clue here. We won't individually own cars but rent them by the hour. That's the only way I can see the current EV technology working, in theory. I for one want my own personal transport to go where I want when I want. So unless there is a quantum leap in battery technology with alternatives to the current use of lithium etc EVs simply cannot be a feasible solution to our transport needs.
Yep.. This is the great reset in motion and our politicians are proudly implementing it to destroy whats left of our once great nation.
And that's exactly what they DON'T want.
Exactly. It's not about offering a viable alternative to an ICE car. They simply don't want us to own cars. It gives us too much freedom.
@@Knowbody42 Fossil fuels delivered freedom and prosperity. It’s no coincidence they’re the enemy in 2022 and the whole world will end if we don’t give them up. If people don’t wake up to the lies and say no the communist Jack boot will be on our throat so hard we won’t get it off.
You are kidding, aren't you?
My mum was just telling me some article she read about how every one pooing on the ev movement is just naysayers
I showed her this video and she immediately didn't want to talk about it anymore and accepted the council was probably BS
I have a Holden Volt which does 70km on battery power before the petrol engine kicks in. Ideally 150kms range would eliminate any petrol usage for me in metro Perth. It's been a great car in the 5 years I have owned it.
I don’t understand why other manufacturers didn’t follow GMs lead and go with a battery and a an ICE backup for long trips?
@@mapmanlxii1715 what Andrew is saying is if the battery was bigger it would be the perfect car, now most Australians will also want a larger SUV type car, this is exactly why the Tesla model Y is so popular already. It does 400 - 500 km per charge has lots of space and does not need a combustion engine and all The complexity that goes along with it.
Man that would already give me all I need 90% of the time. Do u plug in to charge it or does it charge from the engine when the electric juice runs out?
@@shamicentertainment1262 the model y is pure electric. On the odd occasion that you do a long trip, there are roadside charges in most areas and more coming all the time.
@@blackdatto id love a tesla but i cant afford it
Being an American I have news for the council we have been building electric car here for more than 12 years and we have only got just over 2.5 million total electric cars here. California has told there residents not to charge their cars between 4 pm thru 9 pm so good luck having your car charged for the next day. So these political types are just throwing BS around cause there probably isn’t enough market for that many anyway who gets rid of working cars for no good reason in this economy.
Interestingly I was looking to purchase a lounge with an electric recliner with the battery pack option ( to avoid running power cords), the battery packs were initially quoted at $198 each . Shortly after we were approached by the salesman advising the price has increased to $349 each a whopping 76% increase. I imagine this increase will find its way into EV's.
Check out Simon Michaux. We don’t have enough minerals, most notably only 20% of the copper needed to electrify. Policymakers can’t seem to think this whole folly through. Nobody is invested in mining more copper, and there is not enough if they tried.
Just last week i had to report 3 Tesla's for being parked in a multistory apartment complex in Melbourne in the underground car park as apart of my annual building inspections for fire. There's no fire suppression system for car parks available in the world that can deal with EV fires therefore they make the building non compliant and not covered under insurance as the fire system wasn't engineered for EV vehicles and is inadequate to handle a thermal runaway fire.
It's becoming a trend for apartment complexes here in Melbourne and I assume elsewhere to ban EV vehicles from there car parks both above and below ground as Insurance companies are refusing to cover the building
Minor technicality lol. Chris Bowen will be all over this. His fix will be suck it up followed by 10 mins of BS about saving the planet.
@@w_stanky We're in safe hands......
Depends on whether they are the Tesla models with Li-ion or the newer non-flammable LiFePO4 batteries.
The Chinese BYD cars have batteries that are not only LiFePO4, but also non-toxic electrolyte.
@@saintmichael2931 boo hoo
One Million EV's by 2027? To quote the greatest Aussie movie ever, 'Tell Him He's Dreamin'.
Don't forget they are having a wank while doing it! lol
I like the idea of a Morris Minor electric conversion, a number of which have been running in the UK for a number of years. No cruise control, lane guidance, prostate heaters and other such electronic garbage that has no valid purpose in short duration local trips.
The problem with a lot of the classic car EV conversions is that they are using old second hand batteries and they only have a small amount of cells meaning no long distance journeys can be attempted.
@@bentullett6068 Maybe that is a case of supplying a demand?
@@bentullett6068 my biggest issue is when you have a crash with a 2.*t ranger or Tesla etc. You're dead painfully.
@@Low760 true as classic cars with added battery weight and no crumple zones will be disastrous in a crash.
I like prostate heaters idea :) Comes with age :)
So ......they cant build the batteries, supply the cars, charge the cars or recycle them at end of life ?
Just going to hold on to my ICE car, that seems a safer idea....
Thank you for your wise and ration observations John. The part that hardly any body covers is the resulting debt that is unserviceable by many, as a 50 year old working guy with a mortgage in Auckland and child support to pay there is less than zero chance that I will a) buy a new vehicle b) that it will be electric as I don’t have the income to repay a loan of that scale as well as my mortgage prior to my retirement. The conspirist in me wonders if there is a desire to keep people in debt and therefore as working class slaves.
Build-up the rail system and transport freight. It's much easier to electrify a train system than it is a road system.
Yes and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more efficient. Rail uses much less energy to get the job done.
With current prices they are more than optimistic
Maybe even delusional
Let alone the charging infrastructure we don't have
1 million EVs, the we will need 10,000 diesel powered machines to extract, process the materials for the batteries. Then coal fired factories to make the batteries and the cars themselves.
Yes John, you speak sense as usual. The cheapest ICE car available in Australia currently is the KIA Picanto at $15690 + onroads. The cheapest EV is the MG ZS at $45990 drive-away. That's a big difference in the real world to regular Australians. EV's claim to fame is their cheap running costs in the city. So where are the cheap EV city cars? A lot of people are going to make themselves rich at the expense of the Australian taxpayer and consumers.
Thanks John another excellent presentation. I live in a 50+ community on the Bellarine Peninsula, where we have access to an EV vehicle. It is a Hyundai not sure of the model. It has a max range of about 240 km without heating or aircon and is quite handy for the small trips to Geelong and around the Bellarine Peninsular, Melbourne city is reachable just. Any thing beyond the city centre requires a recharge stop for 30 minutes at Geelong, just to get home. OK for us but pity help the next poor bugger who wants to use the car for his important errands. He or she has to sit there for an hour or more waiting for enough electons to get pumped in. This to me is where the EV fails, its recharge time. I have a brother in the middle of South Australia and to visit him in the EV would be a nightmare. Imagine pulling up at somewhere like Kimba with a queue of 20 EVs in line waiting for a charger. With my current vehicle (Nissan Pathfinder 2103, 4 cyl, turbo diesel) 5 minutes is the refill time. i have never had to wait for a pump to become free. Range anxiety not really an issue, it can be managed but recharge time is the killer in my view.
Total vehicle registrations in Australia is 21 million.
Even if 1 million were possible what difference would it make.
As much as masks usage during covid
Nothing. It’s all BS and they don’t care. It’s all about money and control. Covid and Climate Change originate from the same bank accounts.
@@kajak012 yep and that was useless
It is the start! And wearing masks was not useless. I guess you guys are anti-science because that was what the science was saying. Wear a mask and you were less likely to catch Covid.
@@kajak012 Confirmed. I caught Covid last week. I kept my distance from my neighbor and we both wore those blue masks properly when talking but she caught it too anyway. Those masks were a safety illusion, only a custom fit N95 might actually works.
The existing ICE fleet contributes 8% of Australia's emissions. "Stationary energy" (electricity generation) contributes 50%. Wouldn't it make more sense to tackle the biggest polluters? That is, of course, if your objective was actually to reduce emissions. The policy of targeting drivers/vehicles suggests some other objective.
What these folks need is a new battery for their calculator.
I will give it 0% With Kia and Hyundi only releasing 500 cars a year to Aus BMW has wait list a mile long and my dealer even said don't bother. So unless these manufactures can scale up reduce the price and give the consumer more choice they have no chance
You should send the above to Bowen and Albo
There price is way too high for something that doesn't suit the market as far as distance goes.
They should be looking at getting the price down to 15 to 20 grand then they might get a better up take and double the batterie life!
Were Westinghouse and General Electric also on that list of companies? They'll be needed for building out the nuclear power plants.
You forgot Rolls Royce Mitsubishi and Kepco. Otherwise point well made. If you think the submarine debacle was bad wait till someone tries to tender for a nuclear power station
Nuclear power actually works, which is exactly why the Greens oppose it.
They're not trying to reduce CO2 emissions. It's just a convenient excuse to give them more power over us, and take more of our money.
Why not use that big Nuclear Power plant in the sky? It is free, non-polluting and will last another few billion years.
@@andrewjoy7044 Building solar panels is not free at all, and not a viable replacement.
@@Knowbody42 The energy is free. The infrastructure costs are not. Don't forget the sun also is the energy source in wind and hydro. Personally I think it would be far cheaper than what we do now for petrol and deisel. That is the oil is pumped out of the ground in the Middle East, sent to Singapore to be refined, sent to Australia and then trucked to delivery points around the country. Talk about a wasteful process.
How are we all going to charge these vehicles? Take a look at any street in suburbia and you will see the streets lined with vehicles considering most households have multiple vehicles between family members, will we see thousands of trip hazard cables across the nature strip out onto the footpath? Can’t wait for the first person to get sued because someone broke their neck tripping over a power cable.
thats the other problem yea street charging lol, the other is well generating enough electricity to supply the EVs, our grid is already struggling with current demand :/, guess we have to wait for the ~2030s roll out of MSRs heh
A brand new shiny service station opened in my town 2 months ago. When you count it all up there are 48 "hoses" available so in theory you could have 48 cars filling up simultaneously. There are no EV power points...I will be sticking with my two diesel vehicles for many years yet.
All the charging outlets being installed by governments, got me thinking. Why don’t we have a system similar to scooters. Instead of owning the vehicles, just download a phone app. and pay per use. When the vehicle needs recharging, swap it at a service outlet for a fully charged vehicle and keep going. I’m thinking long distance travel.
An excellent idea. Sounds like an opportunity for some bright, young entrepreneurs.
The Wuling Hongguang Mini EV is China's best selling bev with a selling price less than A$15k but such a car would not even come close to passing any of our Australian car safety standards. However would be ideal for those mentioned 15min short trips and infinitely safer than electric scooters.
Also it's Chinese, don't want Xi Xi spying on you while your driving to work
@@BoleDaPole : your A/i-phone too is most probably Chinese and a whole lot more "connected". lol...
@@BoleDaPole Grow up
And the cheap chinese batteries are prone to catching fire.......
@@1allan2( . So are poorly packaged Japanese and Korean varieties, point??)
Certain battery chemistries are more or less similar to a tank of petrol,used wisely it is all good, use unwisely (more to do with architecture and battery management) then boom. Price and country of origin, not so much.
4:00 Although I'm sure Australia will go all electric over time, it will never work if we charge after work at 5pm, in my opinion. I can see that at least for those who go to the same location for work, that charging at work will be a common thing. I don't have a clear answer for the likes of contractors though, which is quite a large percentage of the work force..
'Rare' earth minerals is a key work hinting to the limitations regarding EV vehicles.
Rare earth minerals aren't actually rare.
@@danielstapler4315 :ha ha... They are normally only found in "trace" amounts - "rarely" mined as a primary, single mineral and often (Check out the history of Lynas RE for example) problematic to dispose of the associated radioactive species.. Quite common in the total crust really....
@@danielstapler4315 ....then they should call them plentiful earth minerals 😎
A basic ev with 100-150 Km range would be great, I found myself looking at ev conversions for a festiva I’ve got sitting waiting for me to do an engine refresh.
Will it go down by 8% if all cars were electric tho? Power stations will have to ramp up. Vicious circle situation right there
Yer manufacturing in Australia, our company and many more can't find skilled people, fitter turners ,machinists,toolmakers, real engineers. Not the indian and Chinese imports,,,,,, I hate to think how we would make cars in this country again.
6 seconds in and you nailed again. 🙏👍🇦🇺
And you are being so kind, John. If the magic wand made the miraculous conversion, we wouldn't save 8% because the majority of those electrons would be hydrocarbon derived, at least in the medium term.
5 years, where on earth will they get the power to charge these vehicles?
A hundred years ago we could be having the same conversation about electric stoves and lights and hot water heaters and washing machines.
From the sun!
@@danielstapler4315 yes but we were not all scared of coal back then
@@andrewjoy7044 in five years, good luck with that
@@nigelberry9210 This time round it won't be coal, it won't be nuclear it will be Solar, Wind and Batteries.
I feel like your typical household is going to end up with 2 vehicles: 1 dual cab diesel ute, and 1x Electric Car (of COURSE it will have to be an SUV)
I would buy a shittoir EV tomorrow. Leave the nice cars in the garage and shit it up all the way to school, the shops and the pub on Friday arv. I need 80km range max and 0-100 in 20 sec or so. 4 seats, a basic stereo and room for school bags and shopping, 30k drive away and we have a winner. Govt could help by making EVs with less than 100kw motors free to register. The current EV offerings make absolutely no sense.
I totally agree personally but I suspect most won't be able to let go of their "tech" and "safety" stuff - the latter drives costs up significantly for small cars and of course adds weight etc.
Sweet F A in Australia is the answer by 2027 unless major infrastructure changes occur.. and even then
Hi John. I think total transport carbon emissions are around 20%, with light vehicles around 8%. If all Light vehicles were EVs, the reduction in carbon would only be 8% if the electricity was completely generated without any CO2. We are miles away from that situation. Also it makes total sense for big electric companies to promote EVs as they will be able to sell us much more electricity however it is generated.
Bingo here Richard. Unless we replace the current grid with renewables only, the 8% of emissions "saved" will be offset by an even bigger increase in grid energy delivered. In the US, that's estimated to be 25% if all cars were EVs. In Australia, 20 million EVs (if we use John's Harry Potter wand) travelling 15000km per year at 15kWhrs per 100km on average. Do the math - about 21% increase in total energy delivered from the grid based on 2021 figures. That's why AGL and Origin are pushing for EVs and members of the EV Council of Austupidplace!
@@jasonhall7753 I can't wait for the daily blackouts when everyone gets home from work and plugs in their EVs.
I was told by Mitsubishi that the wait time for a PHEV is over a year (plus deposit required). Good to see the UK has finally realised that the model of free vehicle registration for EVs is unsustainable so along with spiraling electricity costs to charge your EV the delta in operating costs is closing.
The idea to subsidies the wealthy to buy cars is lunacy.
And doesn't go towards winning elections, as there are more people that can't afford the ev shit boxes than can .
Hold on. Hasn't Unicorn announced an affordable model aimed at the masses they are calling the model SH1T?
"You dont see that very often thank f@ck" had me rolling John.....
I would totally be up for a bargain basement EV for my wife. She’s in her car for a total of 1 hour a week working 3 days a week with a 1 way drive of ten minutes. I’d assume there’d be loads of vehicles in Australia doing the same thing. They’re going about it all wrong. Provide for this sort of customer untill you work out how you can provide for the premium customer who’s demands are heaps higher.
Could she ride an electric scooter? My 35 year old daughter does. No fuel, no rego, no parking problems.
Citroen Ami very cheap but it looks like you are driving an eski!
@@NortyNige The Ami would be wonderful around the suburbs but it's not sold in Australia. I think it would be classed as a car here and therefore subjected to the safety regulations of cars, which it could not pass.
@@rais1953 and also illegal in some states
@@andrewwilkinson7783 I forgot that. Yes, in theory even low-speed electric scooters are illegal in some states but I think they're sold and used in all states aren't they?
It is clear that the three things holding back EV adoption are, cost (of the vehicle) range and availability of chargers. Range is improving, more chargers are being rolled out but the price is still a disincentive. Most EVs are in the $60K price bracket when compared to the median price paid for a car in Australia is about $36 the premium on an EV compared to the equivalent ICE engine is a huge disincentive to buy an EV. When the price comes down to affordable (and even the price of most ICE vehicles is on the rise due to inflation and supply chain issues) that is around $40K drive away people might seriously might consider ditching the big SUVs and utes for an EV. That won't be for a while so the 1 million EVs by 2027 is a pipe dream.
Dear John
I have had Tesla cars since 2015 and my latest Model Y just went Sydney to Adelaide and back via Kyneton etc during this terrible weather etc 2800kms in a week no worries some charging for free as well
It charges so quickly that I can no longer nonchalantly have a coffee etc etc
That why it sold almost 4500 in Sept and was the third most popular vehicle after 2 utes !
Used car prices are tanking fast !!
My neighbour bought a Y and is having real trouble selling his X5
BMW into a saturated market of used ones
The Y kills it he says !!
I'm dreading the outcome of cop 27.
You just gotta have faith John... EVangelism will convince those who've strayed from the flock.
The Flock is being led along the Evangelical charge by Energy security. This decade will be the disruptive one.
It will happen; in my night time job, at the Narnia Rainbow Development Corp, head Wiz, Bob, reckoned that if he swivelled and held his magic rod close to me then I would be showered with all the goodness Nett Zero could produce, at that moment, and if we waited 'til later he could do it again. Finished my shift and went home. 🌟
I'm not a big fan of EV's but they serve their purpose but it's a necessary step that has to be taken to get more development into this sector. 1 Million cars by 2027 isn't a very high bar considering there are over 20 million registered cars in the country currently. 99% of these will reside in the metro areas so you won't have to worry about too many out in the rural areas. I know their range isn't great and not yet viable for these areas, but the day fuel becomes too expensive to be financially viable, we'll rue that we didn't invest enough in other technologies. It's inevitable we'll be going down the path of alternative energy sources, at the moment it's electric, who knows maybe it'll be a different source for rural areas? But I guess there will be people out there clinging onto the past scared of change and what it may bring. I'm not saying embrace this new technology but give it a chance to evolve and make everyone's lives better. Think back to the early days of automation, there were people saying that these loud, dirty machines would never replace the horse and buggy, how wrong they were.
No way! I’m sticking to what I know works!
I like my way of life. And I’m not going to change that.
The CO2 to manufacture EVs is much higher than for a gas powered vehicle. So1 million EVs will increase CO2 and without decarbonised energy sources the break even point is delayed. This is cart before the horse: if it is CO2 people are worried about then the energy sector needs decarbonising first and the infrastructure putting in place. Never mind the lithium road -block think how many solar panels it will take to recharge all those EVs. Plug in hybrids are even worse for CO2 the way many are driven, so don't even think of those as a "gateway". This huge extra cost of hybrids/EVs could be better spent on other measures (home insulation or better battery technology that actually works).
@@jamescaley9942 So your solution is to throw your hands in the air and do nothing? Just stick your head in the sand and hope the problem goes away. There are costs to generating electricity, that's a given, but developing in this area only makes batteries more efficient, solar cells more efficient, renewable energy more efficient. It will take some time but in the long run we will get to a point where renewables will be used more than coal. Had governments stood up to the oil companies years ago then maybe this transition would have been less controversial and less painful. But oil companies bought out a lot of innovation and had it shelved to maximise profits for them and their shareholders. They knew what carbon emissions were doing to the atmosphere 50 years ago but deliberately withheld their findings.
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It's not about doing, it's about talking about doing.
And fucking everything else up while doing it
Back in the dim dark ages, before Noah built the ark, I owned a Land Rover. A proper one, slab seats, no floor mats or carpet, no sound proofing etc. Where I used to go with it, today's 4x4's can't go without a suspension kit, diff locks, tyres and rims...etc. My point is, the primary function of a vehicle is transport, and it has to transport the required number of occupants, the required distance, in an acceptable amount of time. Today's manufacturers have lost focus on the primary requirements of a vehicle. Additionally I, the owner, have to be able to afford to buy it, maintain it, and actually use it. The then not so old Land Rover met all of those requirements. It wasn't great on reliability compared to other vehicles in its class, but compared to todays vehicles it was extremely reliable. I can't afford an EV. I can't afford a home charger. I can't afford the additional trip time on longer journeys. I can't afford to have an additional vehicle to meet my travel requirements. Don't get me wrong, I think EV's are the future, but I don't believe that they are economically viable yet, nor do I believe that they are actually meeting end users actual requirements.
Yes on an even shorter time frame I see the same sort of thing. My current car has far fewer things to break than the current production of the same make of car. My current car has a cruise control on it that I can't remember ever using, not even on the highway. New cars have navigation built in. I had navigation on my cell phone so when I got in my old car, I had navigation. New cars have the automatic braking feature for when you have your eyes off the road trying to pick you way through the dozens of levels of menus to figure out why the heated seats are roasting your buttocks.
You are right about the cheap EV. Would make So much sense.
You can get cheap EV's from Yamaha and Club Car they come with two or six seat options, fully air condition and they have no complex computer tech to go wrong. Can also easily carry two sets of golf clubs if required.
john if its any help i think msr (motor sport safety and rescue) that you mentioned is an offshoot of international rescue, aka thunderbirds.
It clearly has strings attached.
It is very one-dimensional to think of mainstream EV development as a one-for-one replacement of the car as we know it. Right now EVs are far too expensive for the average driver to own, and the average driver is hung up about range anxiety.
As much as I am a driver who likes the occasional track day, I can see the day coming where self-driving 2 or 4-seater "transport modules", or driverless taxi, will come to your front door upon being summoned by your phone app, and takes you to your appointment. It then buggers-off either to the next user or a quick-charging point. When your meeting is finished, you summon another driverless taxi to take you home.
All the convenience of car ownership, zero parking hassles, zero breath testing or road traffic infringements, zero registration, zero maintenance, and instant availability if there are enough of these modules. Each one can be relatively low-tech battery-wise, because they only need to have a range of 100-150km, they don't need to be nearly 2 tonnes like a Tesla.
As much as we have to fear from the WEF, their analysis of car usage is that owner only uses their car on average across the population about 4% over time. Even driving a 1 hour commute each way to work 5 days a week is just 5.9% of a .week, so that 4% figure is realistic.
Why pay top dollar when 96% of your new car spend sits parked and doing nothing? Its a big price to pay. Not to mention that lithium issue mentioned in this video. That same 96% downtime means that lithium is 96% under-utilised, and could be spread around more efficiently as a society. Add to that the lighter weight and trimmed-down range of these driverless "taxis" requires maybe only half the lithium needed for a conventional EV.
As much as the WEF is a scary, potentially evil empire, their maths on the limited availability of rare earths and better, more equitable distribution of such materials is pretty good food for thought.
But I will never "eat ze bugs." Klaus can get lost on that one.
When we have 1 mill EV, we’d have a few nuclear plants on our outback for fuel.
Why?
@@andrewjoy7044 To hit carbon zero by 2030 with 1 million EV on our current coal fired power plant is a joke.
Not to mention the infrastructure won’t be able to take the load at 5:00pm.
But with nuclear? maybe. But this still doesn’t solve the distribution issue totally, but might be partially amenable.
well yea nuclear power like MSRs would solve the electricity problem but they would also solve the liquid fuel problem aka no need for EVs then if you have MSRs heh
@@bencoad8492 Agreed! Thorium would be the dream! Lesser chance (harder) of making the bomb as well. I really wish MSR more so than fusion, which is still awhile off. However, they are facing some really difficult technical issues.. anyway, hopefully it’s going to happen soon.😃
@@dmenace2003 what technical issues?, though the corrosion issue was mostly solve, mostly by keeping water the fuk away lol
I love the "idea"....... but I agree with basically everything you said John. 😉👍
I want some of their medication their on. There is more reality in a fantasy story than that plan.
Go to California. Unlike Australia, the medication that they're on is legal there and in abundance. Let us know how it works out for you.
Ranger, Hilux, D-max and Landcruiser utes are all FBT free aren't they? Could that be part of the reason that they are so popular?
Yeah because they’re so cheap with or without. A single cab prehistoric ute for 80+ thousand. There’s a reason we have them, govco is determined to destroy that reason.
What would Dale Kerrigan say... Now what was it?
Oh yeh, "DREAMIN', tell, 'em they're dreamin' son"!
War is going to be hell on EV'S
The US military is looking to convert a lot of its vehicle fleet to electric. There are many advantages to doing this for some things.
1) EVs have a lot IR signature
2) Stationary generators charging EVs work out the less fuel total needed in the forward stations.
3) Smart AWD is just a matter of software on a four motor EV
Why don’t national governments talk about getting the maximum carbon abatement per kilowatt hour of batteries per year?
As JC said, there is only so much lithium and other battery raw materials that can be dug up from the ground per annum. What’s the point of loading up fewer EVs around the world with massive EV ranges to only average 10kms per day and be sitting in the garage for the rest of the day. This a waste of valuable raw materials and does nothing for carbon abatement from all the ICE powered cars and trucks getting driven around cities for 100’s of kms per day?
Surely vehicles that do the most kms per day should be EVs or HEVs to maximise the environmental benefits for the total battery capacity available? Eg. Buses, taxies, ride share vehicles, delivery vehicles etc.
Robo taxis before the end of 2024 in the USA I reckon, so those EVs will be on the road for 14 hours a day.
The intention is for million mile batteries so 11 years use at 90K miles / 144K kilometers per year.
As someone has an EV and a 4wd, I love both of them, i use EV for daily commute and 4wd for camping and other longer trips, so the usage percentage is around 80% and 20%. With the rising petrol and diesel price and decrease in EV price, i dont feel 1 million EV on Australian Road by 2027 been too far fetched, in fact I was slightly surprised they set the target to 2027 not 2025 or earlier (based on what i can see on brsibane's road, i assume there will be more EV in Melbourne and Sydney).
There are regional communities in Australia have to absolutely depend on diesel to do everything but we have to admit that compare to the rest of population, they are not that many (I have lived in North Queensland regional towns and I see no issue with having EV and 4WD to get around life).
I don't see why you have to always put EV as the absolute enemy of 4wd onwers, there are definately place for both of them on the stage in Australia.
Agree with you.
I think John hates or against ev because he knows that it will directly impact his business of getting commission on new car sales when anyone buys a car using his service.
Even though he says that he has nothing against ev, but I don’t see him being positive or optimistic.
Regardless of what the companies or councils trying to achieve, you should not criticise a good cause.
@@aslamlulaniya4987 You're very naive, what you saw in the video is a group who in their own self interest are pretending to be advocates of said "good cause". They are attempting to control the narrative, feasibility be damned.
Also how is his business impacted, if it's an electric motor or a combustion ?
Do they come with a spare tyre.
Thanks for the interesting facts.
I want a small cheap EV with ~100 klm range to go to the shops! I would buy it tomorrow but planning on 5 years from now realistically. Solar from the roof would cover this (if i can be home during the day). I just bought a petrol Tucsan for long comfortable trips as petrol (or diesel) is the only realistic option for this application at this time and probably for the next 10 years.
You can get control centre type boxes to govern what gets charged when and where the power generated from your solar panels so you don't need to be at home at all. The boxes will send the power to your house, the grid, your car or your battery storage.
Rocking Horse Poo is easier to mine than Lithium...
The fact that EVs will be worth nothing after 10 years when the battery needs replacing, is not enticing to me right now
Here in NZ, 2011 model Nissan Leafs (so 11 years old) are still selling for $7,000 to $11,000. And their batteries don't "need replacing" yet. Yes the range has reduced to about 55% to 60% of what it was when new, but they're still perfectly functional cars for most city folks driving shorter distances. And uni students just going to and from uni, within the same city. Even with our disgraceful electricity prices, they still work out at a quarter the cost of petrol.
A totally ready for the scrap heap Nissan Leaf in Australia is still $11k at the auction house if you can get one. Somebody is buying them
@@KiwiCatherineJemma I think that it is somewhat subjective, suggesting that a battery with a capacity of nearly half its specification "doesn't need replacing". A quick Google search would also suggest that a Nissan Leaf in NZ is about double the price that you have quoted.
I doubt that many uni students could afford such a vehicle, but even if they could, if they tired of recharging the vehicle every 79-80 kms kilometres, I doubt they'd be able to afford the $10,000 Aud replacement battery.
The economics of owning such a vehicle might appeal to arts students.
I can't see too many students in the fields of math, engineering, accountancy and economics lining up for them, however.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I think the only reason a Nissan leaf is still the price that it is, is because the next option for a second hand ev at the moment is a 80 grand Tesla..
@@MasterofNoneTV You're probably right. But given the history that the Nissan Leaf has as an ownership proposition, I'm surprised. that anyone still wants one. Cheap recharging or not, $10k. for a battery that's typically
lost a third of an already short range in only a few years is not appealing to me and it certainly isn't "cheap" motoring.
My opinion is all cars are a little over the top on luxuries and could be dialled back. But yes I agree cheap and cheerful EVs for city driving would be a great start or better yet get people out of cars all together, for city transport with much better public transport
The UK is banning the sale of ICE cars and vans in 2030. So if you want a new car that goes brum 2029.
Yet we are facing power cuts this winter and are trialing the effect of asking people with smart meters to run dishwasher, washing machines etc over night to help the load balance.
The green wash netzero future is going to be a dark future.
We have family spread across NSW, Vic, Canberra and Qld. We only have one car and it's 23 years!
A short-range EV to run around town would still mean buying, owning and maintaining two cars, so that won't happen.
I can't see myself handing over 60-80,000 of my hard-earned on better EV. With family in rural areas, there is still the question of chargers and inevitably, battery life. I've read that in some cases, replacement batteries cost more than the remaining value of the car!
Hopefully, my current dinosaur car will last long enough until we see longer-range, longer-life, solid-state batteries introduced? Pigs fueled and ready to fly, I fear.
No one in our little country town wants any EV (maybe one or two).
Mate of mine in regional WA has an ev for past two years . He has yet to drive it to the nearest town because his vehicle wont make the distance (500 kms)
I love my diesel 4x4. I can't see an EV in my garage any time soon. Thanks John for a great video.
Aptera are doing a bloody incredible little EV with healthy right to repair support.
We'll probably never get it here of course but I want one.
That'll translate to around 250,000 tonnes of toxic waste with a tendency to catch fire or explode
What could go wrong? Gotta be good for the biosphere.
So transporting billions of tonnes of toxic materials around the world in the form of oil, deisel and petrol that has a tendancy to catch fire and explode is good for the bioshpere?
I say yes to the shitwa ev. I don't want bells and whistles that have to be paid for. My list of feature deletes is almost as long as the feature list of new cars. I need ; abs, six speaker audio (cd and usb), manual AC and that's it. There is no need for huge acceleration abilities' as there is some one going slow in front most of the time. Ok, so a bit old school but great from a reduction in consumption perspective.
For the long trips the fossil powered vehicle will get the nod. Something lost on most motoring journalists, is the existence of the partners fossil burner for non EV tasks.
Thanks John. What more can I say?
1 mill EVs? simple as, Dood, just give them away in the Weeties pack.
Lithium? who needs it? Didn't the head twit (twat?) at Twitter say some
time ago he was going to produce batteries from mud?
Seriously, making them to be sold at a sensible price would
be the way to go, but charging from Staya;s crappy grid may be
a bit of a worry.
A lithium EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds.(a) While there are dozens of variations, such a battery typically contains about 25 pounds of lithium, 30 pounds of cobalt, 60 pounds of nickel, 110 pounds of graphite, 90 pounds of copper,(b) about 400 pounds of steel, aluminum, and various plastic components.(c)
Looking upstream at the ore grades, one can estimate the typical quantity of rock that must be extracted from the earth and processed to yield the pure minerals needed to fabricate that single battery:
• Lithium brines typically contain less than 0.1% lithium, so that entails some 25,000 pounds of brines to get the 25 pounds of pure lithium.(d)
• Cobalt ore grades average about 0.1%, thus nearly 30,000 pounds of ore.(e)
• Nickel ore grades average about 1%, thus about 6,000 pounds of ore.(f)
• Graphite ore is typically 10%, thus about 1,000 pounds per battery.(g)
• Copper at about 0.6% in the ore, thus about 25,000 pounds of ore per battery.(h)
In total then, acquiring just these five elements to produce the 1,000-pound EV battery requires mining about 90,000 pounds of ore. To properly account for all of the earth moved though-which is relevant to the overall environmental footprint, and mining machinery energy use-one needs to estimate the overburden, or the materials first dug up to get to the ore. Depending on ore type and location, overburden ranges from about 3 to 20 tons of earth removed to access each ton of ore.(i)
This means that accessing about 90,000 pounds of ore requires digging and moving between 200,000 and over 1,500,000 pounds of earth-a rough average of more than 500,000 pounds per battery. The precise number will vary for different battery chemistry formulations, and because different regions have widely variable ore grades. It bears noting that this total material footprint does not include the large quantities of materials and chemicals used to process and refine all the various ores. Nor have we counted other materials used when compared with a conventional car, such as replacing steel with aluminum to offset the weight penalty of the battery, or the supply chain for rare earth elements used in electric motors (e.g., neodymium, dysprosium).(j) Also excluded from this tally: the related, but non-battery, electrical systems in an EV use some 300% more overall copper used compared with a conventional automobile.(k)
It's a wonder the above hasn't been taken off here by RUclips sensors as its factual and the truth!
Which the ev pushers don't like and could become offended at (truth doesn't come into their arguments)
@@kevinduffy6712 My original link was 😁
i don't doubt that its near impossible on face book to say anything factual about the climate bull shit.
I got comments taken off by their fact checkers about the crap that is growing that condensation trails from aircraft are full of poison.
and was found to be bollocks in 1982v by the American congress who had an enquiry in to it.
The idea certainly makes me pitch a tent.
It's not a strategy, it's wishful thinking. The shitwa EV is essential.
Thanks for another great vid Mr C. What are your thoughts on sodium batteries? All the best.....
Thank you John for a good dose of reality, not BS.
It would depend on what you class a Vehicle. E bikes or scooters for the short local bread and milk gathering trips or to the local rail. Golf carts, even Segways could be argued are vehicles.
2:40 "leading this charge" 😀 so funny...
Maybe they include scooters in that mix. They can run on electricity and convey people, thus a vehicle…
…maybe?
Yeah, the electric motorcycle actually makes sense.
Electric bicycles and motorcycles make a lot of sense. The problem with EV's is that they don't scale well.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 : e-bikes as legislated are not fit for mixed roads, 26km/h is too slow and the bikes have gotten too heavy for pedaling at sustained "traffic" speeds -beyond the assist stupidity(legals).. need to go e-moto.. But even E-motorbikes are being marketed in the "luxury segment" often with terrible, non motorcycle styling and low top end speeds. - there is hardly/not a sub $15k e-motorbike any licensed rider wants to throw a leg over.
@@kadmow The "legislators" around the globe have most certainly got it wrong when it comes to E bikes. Thank G*d for the USA. Many jurisdictions there have got it right.
It is inarguable that E-moto bikes are not "too" expensive. And when you get into the likes of the Zero and the HD Livewire, they're ridiculous, the former, more so, for their willingness to "unlock" options at a premium price.
But the point I was trying to make wasn't one of viability for consumers.
What I was trying to convey was that smaller, lighter EV's give a lot more bang for buck than larger ones.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 : good we absolutely agree. (note I did say "as legislated" )- as far as Lithium bang for kg - bikes and golf carts all the way (just make sure they can all go AT LEAST 90KPH).
I do have every relevant transport license (R-C-3A,PPL - and MC would only be a formality if needed) so none of the loopholes are too difficult to jump through, merely that the act of throwing 5-8kWh of battery (the size of 2-3 big 12V battery boxes and 45kg), a charge controller and a 20kW e-motor ends up with a bike into the $20k range, which is still less useful than a sub $10k, 400cc learner sport bike...
Tell him he's dreaming!!