Man you have to admire the WWII pilots coming back from a bombing run etc, in this sort of weather, exhausted, freezing cold, running on adrenaline and having to use all these nav principles to get home. Absolutely incredible
What a wonderful demonstration of how it works and how you can safely travel with enough preparation in harsh conditions. i stopped playing MS Flight Simulator for a very long time and just flew virtual planes with almost no assisting gear (WW1) and I really enjoy getting back into it with all the bells and whistles you can use for your advantage. Radionavigation is a great improvement and I enjoyed seeing absolutely nothing and was sweating when I knew the airport would appear in a few seconds and you where calmly explaining all the things happening without any doubt. thank you for the tutorial, I watched a lot of tutorials (even in my language) but this one seems to be by far the best one with live demonstration.
Well done! This is a first rate radio navigation lesson. Love how you cut those corners on the VORs! Also, the triangulation was wonderful, completely new to me. Keep up the great work.
I have a license for it (TDS gave me one to do a review), but don't have it installed at the moment. To be honest, flying by GPS is "hands off" once you've programmed the route - and then just switch to ILS at the end.
Love these navigation demos you. Your one of few you tubers that do these in real time showing what you are clicking on and what will happen before it does!! Please keep it up. But it’s also little nav map that is causing the crashes.... I find nearly every flight when using LNM causes a crash.... fly without it and works perfectly! Hope that can be fixed as nav map is brilliant
In this aircraft you could extend flaps 10 earlier when the airspeed was below 140 knots before you extended the landing gear. Despite the terrible weather conditions, you did great
Bloody amazing, I was completely absorbed. I did not hear you put down the gear and found myself yelling gear gear, seeing I'm in Australia I guess you would not have heard. Truly I have learnt so much from that video, thank you so much.
This is really educational. This subject was always a bit intimidating for me, but once you understand what is happening, it's actually really intuitive and satisfying. Excellent video
I never thought to use the map to measure and triangulate my location and distance with the VORs. Learned a lot of cool tips with this one, thanks. 👍 ✈️
Biggest things I learned about VOR nav is the service volumes, limitations of distances of the signal being acquired. Then what to do if the VOR youre on fails or has interference (dead reckoning and VMC/VFR goes out the window if its IMC). I enjoy your videos Jonathan, thanks for making them.
This is a very informative video. I have practiced ILS landings in bad weather myself several times. Although I find the analog version of this aircraft very interesting, I chose not to buy it. I don't enjoy flying the Cessna 182 because the seating position is quite high, resulting in limited visibility from the side windows. Even with headtracking, it's not enjoyable. If you lower the seat position, you can't see over the high instrument panel anymore. I have the G1000 version from Carenado in my hangar, but I never fly that aircraft due to this problem. I prefer the Cessna C337H, which also has analog instruments and retractable landing gear.
That's a lot of fun. Was inspired to do a similar run today from EGHE to EGNM using VOR only. I wouldn't mind seeing your take on a VOR DME ARC approach without GPS - I've had the in-game ATC assign a few to me in the past, but I usually ignore the arc and fly straight in to intercept the localizer.
Wow that was impressive! I would love to try my hand at that flight once i am a bit more confident. Quick question though: how can you be so precise with the heading bug without being able to see the value? Thank you for such an informative lesson!
Good vid. 👍 Switching the landing light off might be easier when flying an ILS in such conditions, maybe give MSA and minima a bit more consideration? You were solid IMC the whole flight! 🥴
Thank you very much for the video. Enjoying following along with your content. Please can I ask what you’re using to look around the cockpit, zoom-in/zoom-out, translate up/down/left/right etc.? Is it just a mouse and keyboard or some other input device?
@@jonbeckett Thanks. Watching your videos you’re clearly able to move around the cockpit (and other parts of the aircraft) quite freely. I’ll have to figure that out as I seem a bit constrained and “jumpy” in comparison. Probably just practice!
@@jonbeckett No. Based in my experience on that plane, if you go out of range of the VOR you will stil have distance and bearing on the GPS wich make me think it's on database of the GPS unit. Pard me if I make mistakes on my english.
@@jonbeckett I am on team ruimartins (but I don't own the game nor know the modern avionics). You made an excellent point here, 35:48, "Notice we don't have distance measurement equipment on this instrument". I believe this point is messed up in other peoples' RUclips tutorials. My guess is that the distance readout on the NAV/COM/GPS unit simulates a GPS derived distance intended to help you fly without 'proper' DME. And because of the particular arrangement, where usually the localizer is at the far end of the runway and the DME station often co-located with the GS antenna, it would potentially make it misleading to display the distance to the localizer antenna, and instead of using a database of the DME station location the unit simply removes the readout for an ILS/DME pair. Would be absolutely great if anyone actually knew the answer for sure; well answers, plural, really, (1) Do the Garmin units connect to a DME-antenna on the plane? (2) And does the in-game unit simulate the Garmin units? ruimartins, if you have the game installed, could you try tuning a VOR station that does not have a DME. If the distance readout still shows, then it must be GPS derived! Edit: Oh, and it gets further complicated. A chart for Southend Airport shows that the DME station is about midfield, but then a note tells it is zero ranged to threshold runway 23 (when using the ILS/DME for that direction).
I have honestly never flown a VOR flight...I've used ILS instead of just RNAV. Still though this is quite helpful, and it's pretty neat you panel flew the aircraft as well.
Awesome tutorial! Now that you showed us how to do it, next time in 0 vis, I will go rent a 172 and try this IRL, and say that I've followed your tutorial! How do you do the quick math of given 3 deg glideslope and altitude, you calculate the distance? I know how to do it on a calculator, but what's the approx way of calculating it in your head?
the glideslope (distance to height) is a thing to get in your head. flying an approach at 2500 ft, you will touch a 3degree glideslope at about 8 Nm, so at 1200 ft height you are 4 Nm out, at 600 ft you are 2 Nm out, at 300ft you are about 1 Nm out. (Just remember that this is AGL above ground level) . make a yellow sticker on the side of your monitor and your safe!
Man you have to admire the WWII pilots coming back from a bombing run etc, in this sort of weather, exhausted, freezing cold, running on adrenaline and having to use all these nav principles to get home. Absolutely incredible
And they didn't have accurate VORs until much later. During the 1940s the RAF used "Gee" - there were many other similar ideas, such as LORANS too.
@@jonbeckett Wow, amazing courage and skill
What a wonderful demonstration of how it works and how you can safely travel with enough preparation in harsh conditions. i stopped playing MS Flight Simulator for a very long time and just flew virtual planes with almost no assisting gear (WW1) and I really enjoy getting back into it with all the bells and whistles you can use for your advantage. Radionavigation is a great improvement and I enjoyed seeing absolutely nothing and was sweating when I knew the airport would appear in a few seconds and you where calmly explaining all the things happening without any doubt. thank you for the tutorial, I watched a lot of tutorials (even in my language) but this one seems to be by far the best one with live demonstration.
This is how I learned to fly years ago before the advent of GPS, and I like to keep these skills sharp in MSFS 👍
Well done! This is a first rate radio navigation lesson. Love how you cut those corners on the VORs! Also, the triangulation was wonderful, completely new to me. Keep up the great work.
Very well done Jon. "Staying way out in front if the airplane" is the key. Great airplane to use for demo.
Thank you very much! Learned a lot from this. Most effective lesson in ages for me. I would love to see a tutorial on the TDS GTNXi with the 182RG.
I have a license for it (TDS gave me one to do a review), but don't have it installed at the moment. To be honest, flying by GPS is "hands off" once you've programmed the route - and then just switch to ILS at the end.
Love these navigation demos you. Your one of few you tubers that do these in real time showing what you are clicking on and what will happen before it does!! Please keep it up. But it’s also little nav map that is causing the crashes.... I find nearly every flight when using LNM causes a crash.... fly without it and works perfectly! Hope that can be fixed as nav map is brilliant
I never have a problem with LNM.
In this aircraft you could extend flaps 10 earlier when the airspeed was below 140 knots before you extended the landing gear. Despite the terrible weather conditions, you did great
Bloody amazing, I was completely absorbed. I did not hear you put down the gear and found myself yelling gear gear, seeing I'm in Australia I guess you would not have heard. Truly I have learnt so much from that video, thank you so much.
Yeah - the gear is very quiet in this aircraft.
This was phenomenal! Thank you. Calm, relaxing, informative!
This is really educational. This subject was always a bit intimidating for me, but once you understand what is happening, it's actually really intuitive and satisfying. Excellent video
Excellent video. It can get confusing when using the VOR radios with direction, etc. You would have made an excellent professional pilot.
Gawd, that was nailbiting when you almost lost the GS, due to flaps!
I never thought to use the map to measure and triangulate my location and distance with the VORs. Learned a lot of cool tips with this one, thanks. 👍 ✈️
Biggest things I learned about VOR nav is the service volumes, limitations of distances of the signal being acquired. Then what to do if the VOR youre on fails or has interference (dead reckoning and VMC/VFR goes out the window if its IMC). I enjoy your videos Jonathan, thanks for making them.
Amazing radio navigation tutorial. Learned a lot from it. Greater teacher. Many thanks
Great tutorial Jonathan. The conditions were mental. Keep up the great work.
I have learned so much from your videos
Nicely done Jon.
Love your night flight videos. Honestly some of my favorite. Very nice
Brilliant, well done.
This is a very informative video. I have practiced ILS landings in bad weather myself several times. Although I find the analog version of this aircraft very interesting, I chose not to buy it. I don't enjoy flying the Cessna 182 because the seating position is quite high, resulting in limited visibility from the side windows. Even with headtracking, it's not enjoyable. If you lower the seat position, you can't see over the high instrument panel anymore. I have the G1000 version from Carenado in my hangar, but I never fly that aircraft due to this problem. I prefer the Cessna C337H, which also has analog instruments and retractable landing gear.
If I was flying the first thing I would have done after takeoff is raise the landing gear. You get a much better rate of climb that way.
Great tutorial! Might have to go get Little Nav Map now
Yet again BRILLIANT
Thank you. It was very interesting!
That's a lot of fun. Was inspired to do a similar run today from EGHE to EGNM using VOR only. I wouldn't mind seeing your take on a VOR DME ARC approach without GPS - I've had the in-game ATC assign a few to me in the past, but I usually ignore the arc and fly straight in to intercept the localizer.
Flying arcs is quite involved, isn't it.
You got to get the mail through!
Very well done and explained. Thanks
Excellent! So informative and very well presented. Thank again for another outstanding video. 👍
Wow that was impressive! I would love to try my hand at that flight once i am a bit more confident.
Quick question though: how can you be so precise with the heading bug without being able to see the value?
Thank you for such an informative lesson!
Cool stuff :) I'm considering getting the RG
That was really cool, thank you =)
Good vid. 👍 Switching the landing light off might be easier when flying an ILS in such conditions, maybe give MSA and minima a bit more consideration? You were solid IMC the whole flight! 🥴
Oh, it was entirely unrealistic :) There's no way that aircraft would have taken off in those conditions in the real world lol
@@jonbeckett Maybe not taken off so much, but flown into such conditions enroute. That’s quite possible.
Wonderful video. How much can be done with two radios, one DME or even no DME at all! Thanks a lot
Thank you very much for the video. Enjoying following along with your content. Please can I ask what you’re using to look around the cockpit, zoom-in/zoom-out, translate up/down/left/right etc.? Is it just a mouse and keyboard or some other input device?
Mouse and keyboard :)
@@jonbeckett Thanks. Watching your videos you’re clearly able to move around the cockpit (and other parts of the aircraft) quite freely. I’ll have to figure that out as I seem a bit constrained and “jumpy” in comparison. Probably just practice!
Just one thing. The figures about the VOR in the GPS unit are not DME . They are DATABASE of the GPS unit.
I was under the impression the distance and radial are from the radio, and the identity of the VOR station from the database.
@@jonbeckett No. Based in my experience on that plane, if you go out of range of the VOR you will stil have distance and bearing on the GPS wich make me think it's on database of the GPS unit. Pard me if I make mistakes on my english.
@@jonbeckett I am on team ruimartins (but I don't own the game nor know the modern avionics). You made an excellent point here, 35:48, "Notice we don't have distance measurement equipment on this instrument". I believe this point is messed up in other peoples' RUclips tutorials.
My guess is that the distance readout on the NAV/COM/GPS unit simulates a GPS derived distance intended to help you fly without 'proper' DME. And because of the particular arrangement, where usually the localizer is at the far end of the runway and the DME station often co-located with the GS antenna, it would potentially make it misleading to display the distance to the localizer antenna, and instead of using a database of the DME station location the unit simply removes the readout for an ILS/DME pair.
Would be absolutely great if anyone actually knew the answer for sure; well answers, plural, really, (1) Do the Garmin units connect to a DME-antenna on the plane? (2) And does the in-game unit simulate the Garmin units?
ruimartins, if you have the game installed, could you try tuning a VOR station that does not have a DME. If the distance readout still shows, then it must be GPS derived!
Edit: Oh, and it gets further complicated. A chart for Southend Airport shows that the DME station is about midfield, but then a note tells it is zero ranged to threshold runway 23 (when using the ILS/DME for that direction).
I have honestly never flown a VOR flight...I've used ILS instead of just RNAV. Still though this is quite helpful, and it's pretty neat you panel flew the aircraft as well.
Excellent tutorial Jonathan - thank you!
Do you prefer this aircraft over the C172 classic?
I think I do. It's very easy to fly (It's a Carenado after all), and has all the primary instruments you need.
And now by dead reckoning - map, compass and stop watch
I think I might need the CRP1 for that :)
@@jonbeckett same flight but no auto pilot doing the control of the aircraft. Only for vor navigation reference
Spot On or should I say Nice One :)
Awesome tutorial! Now that you showed us how to do it, next time in 0 vis, I will go rent a 172 and try this IRL, and say that I've followed your tutorial!
How do you do the quick math of given 3 deg glideslope and altitude, you calculate the distance? I know how to do it on a calculator, but what's the approx way of calculating it in your head?
the glideslope (distance to height) is a thing to get in your head. flying an approach at 2500 ft, you will touch a 3degree glideslope at about 8 Nm, so at 1200 ft height you are 4 Nm out, at 600 ft you are 2 Nm out, at 300ft you are about 1 Nm out. (Just remember that this is AGL above ground level) . make a yellow sticker on the side of your monitor and your safe!
@@ardsur Yep - I just remember 2500 AGL at 8 miles, and work from that :)
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How far does the VOR Staion transmit? Or: How far away can I be to receive the VOR?
They vary.
@@jonbeckett I found it:
1.000 to 14.500 ft - 40 NM
14.500 to 18.000 ft - 100 NM
18.000 to 45.000 ft - 130 NM
45.000 to 60.000 ft - 100 NM
@@jean-paulrederik4203 again - each VOR station has a different power output - some are as low as 30nm - others are 100nm - others even further.
jeez,yer brave.Jon..lol