Installing an Automated Dust Collection System
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- In this episode I install an automated dust collection system in The Geek Pub shop. Rockler Woodworking and Hardware sent me an iVac automated dust collection system to take my dust collector to the next level. Follow along and I'll show you how to install it and how it works!
Check out my website article on this project:
www.thegeekpub.com/3563/instal...
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* iVac Blast Gates: amzn.to/2nESJps
* iVac 110v Dust Collector Switch: amzn.to/2n0dQ8D
* iVac 220v Dust Collector Switch: amzn.to/2mtew3i
* iVac Tool Controller: amzn.to/2naz706
* PVC to Dust Collection Fitting: amzn.to/2nESE56
* Bridge Hose Clamps: amzn.to/2nszcJw
* Quick Disconnect: amzn.to/2nsJYQd
* Dust Collection Grounding Kit: amzn.to/2mt5X8I
* Aluminum 4″ Blast Gate (Manual): amzn.to/2msYtTn
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You had a slight smile of "this is great" when you turned on the table saw and the dust collection came on. I would have the same smile too. Good job and thanks for sharing. I do believe I'm going to do something similar.
Really a very helpful video with lots of ideas. I have a small shop that I use for making custom hand forged knives. Metal dust and wood dust and other dust is my biggest problem. So I can get a lot of good info from a few different videos. This one is a good one. Thank so much, it was very helpful.
Good job, nice video, good content without unnecessary prattling. Subbed from Australia 👍
Nice kit and congrats on the sponsor! I need to work on getting a dust collector first and then this kit will be in my sights.
+Just Make It It took me way too long to get around to doing this project. :-)
Liked the video and subscribed to your channel. This iVac system is exactly what I’m looking for and you did a great job explaining how it works in your video. Thanks for the tutorial. Now it’s time to save money for one of these systems.
Very nice. I constantly walk back and forth with turning the DC on and off and opening and closing each blast gate. This looks incredibly convenient.
Jay - I use a basic remote to turn my collector on and off. I picked up a setup at Home Depot similar to this and have been using it for 3 years.
m.homedepot.com/p/Westek-Outdoor-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-Kit-RFK306LC/202562992
Cheap and convenient. If your collector is 110v it should work fine.
+Jay Bates Yep. It's a giant pain in the rear when you're only making a cut or two or alternating between tools. Also I can't tell you how many times I thought I switched it back to the table saw, only to find a pile of sawdust on the floor behind it and a dust collector sucking dust out of a bandsaw that was turned off. LOL.
A huge advantage not mentioned is the time saving! That back and forth adds up and I bet you save anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes a day (depending how long you're in the shop). More time to work, spend time with the family, adjust cameras, eat..lol, and edit videos! Huge advantage!
+John McNail My dust collector has a built in remote unit. But most often the actual dust collector is closer to me than the remote so I rarely use it.
I wear clothes with pockets!!
I love my iVac system. I just use the dust collector switch with a couple tool switches. Very nice product. I never went with the blast gates because I thought I needed a tool switch for every blast gate. Thanks for explaining their gate system.
+Rich Eklund I have to be honest. Their website needs better explanation. I had to download the manuals and read them before I could figure out what components I needed. It's really cool once you realize all of the capabilities.
Really slick system. Out of my budget, but a man can dream! Thanks for letting me live vicariously in your shop :-)
+Ben Brandt LOL! Thanks for being a fan of my stuff!
Great video, and great looking device.
Awesome set up, man!
I especially like the tip about grounding the vent ducting. Good tip - safety first.
+iShoyu.com Safety frist, always. Except when I don't. LOL.
TheGeekPub LoL Keep up the good work man!
Great video. Congrats on the Rockler gear.
+Tom Reagh Thanks!
Great video and very informative!
That system is so nice. Opening the blast gate and turning on DC at the same time automatically is really cool. Then turning it back off automatically. Wow, whenever I upgrade, I definitely want that.
+CMR Woodworks | Chris McDowell I'm a gadget geek and I had no idea these existed until Rockler told me they sold them.
Great video and explanation of the parts. That's the quite a dust collection system. I just purchased an entry level (750 CFM 110V 1HP General) for my table saw and CNC. Now I need the gadgets. :)
+Andy Blackman Gadgets are my porn. ;-) One can never have enough gadgets!
That looks like a pretty great system Mike!
+Darbin Orvar Thanks Linn! Can't wait for you next video!
Thanks...very informative.
I'm sitting here waiting for you to come install one of those systems at my shop. Still waiting! Come on, where you at?!😉😆 Ha, just kidding. I am close to installing my DC system but will have to do manual blast gates due to the budget. Either way nice video and thanks for sharing 👍
Nice system, hope it does everything you want.
+SuperYtviewer I think it will. Although I already have a list of things to add. LOL.
Sweet video!!
very cool system - been looking at that one for a while - looks like it does the trick
+Nick Ferry It is incredibly simple to setup too. Lots of options.
This an easier way to get an automated dust collection system. I was reading an older book which talked about making your own auto dust collector relay switch, but it was very tedious. So much easier and safer lol
i'll probably never need to use this, but it is highly interesting!
Nice setup Mike! Douglas
+RetroWeld Thanks!!!
Great job. That Hoover part is dead handy.
+dubsskyline Probably the second most used port.
An aspiration system will generally consist of three primary components, a fan, duct network, and a filter. The fan will initially pull the excess/unwanted material from a specific starting point into the duct network, which then acts as a "highway" for the dust to travel into. Lastly, the duct will lead into a filter of some sort, which collects all the unwanted material and stores it until someone disposes of the filter. A lot of the inner workings of this type of system can change, for example, the fan between centrifugal and positive displacement blowers. This more critical way of assembling will come down to ultimately what needs to be addressed, which will alter the types of parts you need.
Back in the day everything was wired with LV and relay switches with green lights on both gates and a master flow control board. Now I can key up my Ham radio and turn on my neighbor's workshop in the middle of the night.
Very nice, I did not know.
I can’t believe all of the 90 degree turns you have in the ducting! I hope that you have further updated.
There's a video someone else did on that topic. Every turn equated to roughly .05% reduction in flow. It might matter in some commercial setup. It's a non-issue in my setup.
Cool... I must get me one of them systems :)
In the end I think its better to make your own system with homemade blast gates and stuff I got about 40 arduinos with rf recivers and transmittors with some wifi and bluetooth modules and some relays. IF you have the experiance to make them yourself you should deffently do so, it will reduce in costs, you'll probaly learn something and you can customize it to how you see fit. Having a 3D printer on hand will also help alot since you can print blast gates and different connectors yourself. But if you don't have the experiance or capacity to do this yourself this is the best way to go! awesome video :)
Nice!!!
You're a lucky man! Cool video!
+Carb IV Thank you for being a fan of my stuff!
+TheGeekPub No problem you build really cool stuff, I have wanted my own arcade machine forever and now thanks to you I have an idea how to do it myself, Thank you! Can I you for a favor? I'm looking for constructive feedback on my videos, if you have time would be willing to take a look and tell me what you think? If not no problem! Cheers 🍻
+Carb IV I'd love to. I'll check them out here in a bit!
+TheGeekPub Be honest please. I respect your opinion.
Really cool video. I've never heard about grounding the pipes, makes complete sense though
According to Grizzly’s website: “To protect against static electrical build up inside a non-conducting duct, a bare copper wire should be placed inside the duct along its length and grounded to the dust collector. You must also confirm that the dust collector is continuously grounded through the electrical circuit to the electric service panel.” The unit typically produces 80 dB noise levels which can cause hearing damage over an 8 hour period of continuous operation. Switching it off when not in use is an excellent idea.
Running the conductor inside the pipe is a terrible idea. It will collect and hold dust and strings of wood. In addition, it will cause turbulence in the pipe reducing airflow and efficiency. The approached we used where you pierce the pipe with a metal stud (in this case a screw tip) every few feet is by far the safer and most effective method.
Almost 2 years later, are those mountains in the backdrop out of your open garage door? That's beautiful man! I live in Florida, haven't seen a mountain in so many years 😔. Also, if those are french cleats slats, how are they working for you? Nice looking organized wall. Count me as a new subscriber.
If my ceiling was as tall as yours I would do a raised floor and run the dust collection across the ground. Great for electrical runs as you can pop them up right near your stationary tools. Another added bonus is insulation and greater anti-fatigue over concrete.
+Kenny Garland I considered that, being a technology guy. But I liked the stability of a concrete floor. Tools perform better when they sit directly on concrete.
awesome
I have a 220 DC with a Y attached. My system goes up into the attic and connects to eight separate drops. I want to put two blast gates on the Y so that I can close one down and let the other run and vice versa for more suction. My D.C. is in a closet and I would like to remotely control those two gates on the actual dust collector; not the tools. I use the long ranger II to wirelessly turn D.C. on/off. Is there a way to make these blast gates on the actual Y automatically open and close with this system? Thx. Nice video and you did a great job explaining this system. That is except for my question 😊
so the ivac tool plus can send a signal to open the blast gate and turn on the dust collector... after the tool it is attached to has been turned on?
That is SWEET! I sure wish there was something like that for steel dust! Metal fabrication is so much more of a PITA than wood!
BTW, is that you on the box??? Naha!
+Logic Bob You know, I should ask Rockler to put me on the Box! Naaa. They'd never sell another one if my ugly mug was on it!
Well, the guy on the box is trying to copy your look then!
From what I have read, there has never been a fire that was started by static in a dust collection system. That being said, I ground my dust collection hoses, because I absolutely hate getting shocked!
True, static shock is a thing especially if your have carpet on your shop floor 🤣
I run basically the same setup(video) in my shop w/o any additional grounding. There is no dust particules in or out the pipes. My floor is concrete and I wears adequate shoes, never get a single static shock since my new shop is up (5 years).
Good video and a really nice hassle free system. Sadly I can't get this system in Australia 😕.
Yes you can. iVAC has partnered with Timbecon Pty Ltd.
Hi, neat idea with the wall mounted clamps. Why take a risk, no matter how small, with a dust exposion/fire? However, why not just run the copper wire inside the tubing? Much neater looking. BobUK.
I have a grizzly 10hp does this come in 220?
The automated wireless is pretty slick.Not sure what to believe about the grounding necessity. Some people say it's complete nonsense, some people say the combustion problem can only happen in much larger systems, and others say there is no risk of spark at all because PVC is not a conductor.I think an interesting experiment would be to place a an amp meter in series between your ground wire and your grounding point. I think that Harbor Freight has been giving them away as free gifts recently, don't know about right this second. If that system really is discharging static, I would think that you would be able to see either current spikes or some small steady state current while the collector is on.I'm actually in the process of building one of these, and would like to know if the threat is real!!!
+Jeff Correia As I can tell you one thing. Before I added the grounding, every time I touched one of the pipes I would get zapped by static electricity. Fire or no fire. It was worth it.
I agree that an automated system is extremely convenient, BUT, the cost for a shop with a table saw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, router, sanding station, work bench would be very expensive - those blast gates are $125 a piece; plus piping. That is a little outside the budget of most shops.
+Mark Hazlewood I somewhat agree and disagree. When you think about the cost of a $3000 table saw, what's another $125 for a blast gate for it? Of course, I understand that buying it all separately as a package adds up. Thanks for the comments!
+TheGeekPub Well, it seems from the beginning of the video that you weren't planning on spending that much with your own contraptions. I'll admit the system is nice, but it isn't cheap for most home shops.
Dont forget another 59.99 for the remote to auto open the gate.
The ducting with hangers is a rather small part of the total cost. You can keep it the lowest by using cheap metal ducting where you have to fasten the seams. It is also far cheaper to ship than any of the other types of ducting. Of course, it is also the hardest and least convenient to install.
Mark, why not use expensive gates if Rockler is going to give them to you for free if you use them in your video.
How do you get rockler to send you things to try or do you purchase then just advertise?
Nice Informative Video. Can I ask where did you get all the elbows and such from?
There's a link on my website with all of the information.
looking to get set up and I have a few basic DC questions:
-do I need a blast gate for each tool or can I run two (or more) tools off of one blast gate?
-did you use any basic guides to help lay out your system?
1) Up to you. 2) nope.
Great Explanation in that Video, trouble is I live in England and can't get Rockler stuff without paying over the odds for postage. I have been on their website and I love it, maybe one day they will think of opening a store in England.Anyway great video well explained, I just have a normal shop vac with a cyclone that does the job just need a bigger and better system. Take Care, Barry from England.
+Barry Roberts Awesome! Thanks for being a fan of my stuff! I'll tell Rockler to open a store in your town! ;-)
Cheers tell em they will get lots of custom as well from me ha ha.
Great project again,
Take Care, Barry.
+Gary Lee Cheers for that, I have an account with Toolovation so i'll keep my eyes out for that.Thanks again, Barry (from England)
+Gary Lee The iVAC switch will be available in the UK and Europe this summer, further details are available on our web site. Buyers can register their interest in advance of stock arriving with the 'email me when back-in-stock' function, we will email you when we receive our shipment. Martin (Toolovation)
This is a great system and I am super jealous on your dust collection system!! However, looking at Rockler and the cost associated with hooking up 4-5 tools, do you have any recommendations on how to get this type of system for less than $1000?
+Deacon Woodworks +Iliketomakestuffcom has a video how to do it DIY style.
Great video for an intriguing product. We're definitely looking into getting the IVAC system now for our shop.
Question though...What PVC pipe are you using and where'd you end up buying that from? From the video around 02:42, it looks super thin. We've been looking at using PVC meant for sewer/drain but even that looks thicker than this.
Anyone encounter an issue with sewer/drain PVC where the diameter is less than the stated value? We went to a local Menards and they have 2 types of PVC - high quality thick material and this thinner sewer/drain material, and they are not the same diameter.
The sewer/drain PVC is about a 1/2" narrower in diameter than the thicker material.
We're trying to not pay out $50 per piece for our dust collection system, but also ensure that the pipes we end up with actually fit together within the system as a whole.
Are these blast gates compatible withe the older Ivac tool transmitters ,
+Darrell LeBlanc My understanding is yes, but I have not tried it.
Good video, better than the iVac website! I'm definitely checking it out, sick of not opening a gate or forgetting to close one! Agree with the ground wire. Every time I opened a gate for the jointer or planer I got zapped until I ran a ground. Cost? 25 cents, problem solved. Can't believe the troll comments you got. Thanks for helping the ww community!
You Rock! Loving Your Videos! Will Purchase the Arcade Specs.
+perlparadise Thanks for being a fan!
Just curious; Doesn't the ivac system ensure one of the automatic gates is always open to protect the DC? So, are two gates then open when you use the floor sweep?
+FireMouseHQ Good question! It is programmable. I turned that off, because I have a manual blast gate at the far end of the run that is always half open.
According to iVac, the primary open gate closes when the gate for another tool is opened.
The fittings I'm asking about are the White 4" PVC elbows, reducers, adapters, couplings, etc and not the Rockler adapters. Thanks
Correct. Again, check my website for all the details.
Just a quick question. What is the grounding wire grounded to? Do you ground it to a copper water pipe or just tool to dust collector?
Thanks
It is grounded to an electrical outlet at both ends of the chain.
TheGeekPub
Thanks, that makes sense.
Regards,
Herms
@@TheGeekPub It is important to connect the grounding system at a single point. with it grounded at both ends you can set up an inadvertent "Ground Loop" such at in a situation when you have a fault on one of your machines it could send a surge of current in that ground loop. All grounding systems should only have a single tie to ground. You can use a "Star" configurations with spokes that go out from a single point but only ground it at one point. Especially in a shop when different machines are powered off of different circuits these ground loops can be significant especially in a fault condition. EE101
Don't they sell a kit that lets you use the dust collector as a vacuum cleaner? That'd be my personal preference over a broom. I've got the in house central vac equivalent of those floor sweeps (Vacpan) in the house, but I find I just use a hose and floor tool on the bare floors rather than using a broom to sweep it into the vacpan.
Yes, and I showed it in this video. :-) I have both. The vacuum is so much more tedious to use and dragging a big 4" hose is quite annoying.
I see a lot of people here commenting on should they or shouldn't they spent the money on this system; I guess if you get it for free it motivates you to get one, I personally can do it either way, I would like to work with it but also can do just fine without it; I have a clearvue max and have multiple gates open at one time on certain stations that I use more often, I close my gates manually at the thickness planer, dual outlet drum sander, but keep it open for the miter saw station and the table saws; you kind picked on some here for not investing 500 in this system while investing 3500 or so in table saw, I got news for you, I got two sawstop saws, one industrial and one 3hp professional and a slider, you know that just the two sawstops cost me quite a lot more than you mentioned, still don't feel the need to invest in this automated blast gate system so stop picking on people for that, some of us enjoy couple steps to open and close some of the blasts; one piece of advice.....it would've been better for you to invest in a better dust collector than worry about the blast gates, you will be surprised what a difference that makes, you can afford to keep more than one blast gate open when you have a 8" main running thru your shop. other that, I am happy for you that you get to play with those toys; one of the guys in their comments was right, what are you doing walking around in your slippers in the shop, let alone climbing a ladder in them, that tells me you like more being in front of the cameras that be out there and get dirty and make some money; its so funny when I run into you guys, the ones that like to do these little shows about being a woodworker, yet I don't see any meaningful product done by you guys; I've building staircases and cabinetry for as long as I remember, I never found the time to be in front of the camera like some of you guys are, you guys have too much time at your disposal, lol; don't mean to pick on you, just want to let you know, some of us have no interest in these new gadgets that keep on popping up, if you follow with it, you will never catch up to them, they always pop up new things all the time, just like the Iphone. best of luck to you. Dan
What was the cost
Very nice but the I make stuff set up is about $30 a blast Gate
This is well over $200 a blast gate
I need 6
Which way do you think I’m gonna go ?
No idea.
I'm having trouble pairing up my 220v dust collector to a 110 table saw with the switch, can it be done?
The voltage of the tool doesn't have to match the collector.
Ok but the device itself doesn't have the female plug for 220 right?
They don't have plugs at all. They just clamp to the wire and detect induction.
On the now obsolete Pro Tool, the machine plugs into the Pro Tool. The new version clamps onto the cord, which is much more convenient.
what do you think of your Grizzly tools?
if the blast gate closes and the dust collection is still going.... wont what damage the ducting or dust collector?
Not if you designed your system correctly. But you can google it. Dust collectors with the correct plumbing actually use the least amount of electricity when all gates are closed. It will not damage them.
@@TheGeekPub gotcha, I just read what all the experts and engineers say on these blogs, I need to stop listening, lol
Fajne
Very good video.. subscribed..just can't figure out why this is the only dust collection video,that I've watched,that recommends grounding the PVC pipe..I know it easily builds up static electricity,so I'm not doubting the vid..They should all recommend THIS 👍👍
How and where did you ground the ground wire to the ground?
+mick walker I actually grounded it in several places. It's grounded to an electrical outlet at one end. It's grounded to the frame of the dust collector at the other end. In the middle, on the ceiling, it is grounded to the frame of my Jet air filtration unit.
+mick walker I just posted some pictures of the ground points on my Instagram profile if you want to see how they work.
Great. 4:45 Why should wrap copper wire around the pipe?
Grounded to prevent static build-up.
to waste money pretty much. suppose to prevent static buildup that could cause a dust fire. this has never been seen to have happened and is only a loose theory.
i must be getting old because i find this really interesting...
+Dog Gone Me too! ;-) The other day I polished my table saw. Old dudes rule!
So how much do you think you have invested in this system!?
How many amps do you have on your shop?
120
I don't uses a remote unit ,I installed a metal ext cord to the wall .And plug all the equipment to the ext cord.Than i plug the ext cord into to the switch.So when i turn on any equipment the dust collector come on,and when i shut the equipment off in 7 second the dust collector shut off. With no remote to carry in your pocket
+Lawrence White There's no remote to carry on this system.
Are you still using this system? Do you have an update or review of the auto blast gates?
Yes sir. I use it almost every day! Love it!
What was the total cost for the entire unit, soup to nuts?
That's all on my website.
What is grounding use for? I still dont have any idea about that
felix malvian the moving air will build up electric charge on the plastic, once the voltage gets high enough to jump to a piece of metal or grounded material it will create a spark. that spark can set off an explosion if the air-dust mixture is right.
to "prevent" a dust fire. which has never happened, but is a popular theory among woodworkers.
literally like less than a week ago a school near me had a dust fire in their dust extractor all of the woodworking rooms were destroyed .. so yes it has happened before.
ri mar Try searching for baghouse explosion.
Nord-please do not compare the conditions of a pellet mill to an at home system. Gaming- please source this school dust fire. I am sure there were other conditions for this to occur. Seeing as for many years there have been little events tied with this, that there are secondary reasons. I have no issue with reconsidering if there is credible evidence that simply the "static" alone is enough for a fire.
i think this could have been simplified a little better. by adding another wire to the grounding wire, to power the gates, i dont see those gates needing much power to open and close, doesn't needing to plug in every gate limit placement to reach a outlet?
That's not how the system works. The gates are powered independently from the sensor that detects the power. This is because the gate in many cases will be a long distance from the tool it associated with.
and having a wire run along the tube wt=ith the ground wire, could power the gates still, they are controlled wirelessly from the cord sensor on the tool, and those gates cant take more then 4 volts, means one outlet gets used to power every gate, with power cord daisy chained along with the ground wire, it would free up the other 6+ wall outlets youre using to power the gates. its just my opinion on how i would do it, this wa im not limited to placing the gates close enough a power cord can reach a outlet. using wires simular to this www.diago.co.uk/adaptors/daisy-chains.html since the ground wires already there, wouldnt take any extra paths, not sure how else i can explain it simplier, so hopefully you can see what i mean, otherwise, just ignore me. :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_chain_(electrical_engineering)
According to the specs the gates run 12v and pull 1 amp at peak (motor turning). So if you wanted to upgrade the wire to a thicker gauge you could probably get something that would work. Just seems to me like a lot of extra trouble to save a few outlets. I put in six-gang wall outlets at every tool, so its just not something I struggle with.
i understand what you mean, but for me i only have 4 outlets in my garage, but 12 tools, so to me every outlet saved is worth the trouble.also, 12 volts aint to bad, im sure i could get it to run on a lower voltage, and is the 1 amp peak, consent? or is it just the in-surge current from motor starting?
I can't believe people are still spreading the dust explosion myth.
+Nathan Smith It's not a myth.
+TheGeekPub
www.rockler.com/how-to/exploding-pvc-dust-collection-ductwork/
www.thewoodnerd.com/articles/dustExplosion.html
It is the very definition of a myth... Something that gets spouted out as fact, yet there have been no documented cases of it ever happening. Which is the entire principal the show mythbusters operated on.
I have been up close and personal to quite dust explosions. Also lookie here: www.osha.gov/dts/shib/shib073105.html Static electricity is a ignition source. A flow through a pipe builds up static charge. I have seen and felt the discharge from a steam valve open to atmosphere. Google it.
Ronald Allen did you actually read the OSHA report? None of the explosions were due to sawdust. They were all dusts with chemicals in them and the 3rd one was from an initial fire that started in an oven. Show me an incident that happened in a small woodshop and you may change my mind. But this has been disproven already.
It is silly to use induction sensing and then require a power source for the sensors. Why not just use a current activated switch and eliminate the need for the UBS charging bit?
The main reason I can think of is if your blast gate is a long way from the sensor.
I'm seriously considering this for my workshop... however i'm investigating at this point if the dust collection will be on when my CNC mill is turned on (but not necessarily milling anything) or if it'll be nice to me and avoid being on until it actually has something to do..
the cnc could be on, and initializing, or me setting up the part.. but not necessarily generating wood/aluminum chips ...
and even more importantly... when the cnc finishes its job.. the mill turns off, but the machine is still technically on.. thats where the 6 second delay for the vac turning off is good... otherwise it could be running all night if i fall asleep on a long milling job (yeah i know... dont leave the machine alone.... be quiet i already know this! :) )
has anyone done this setup with a cnc mill in this way? with ivac?
1. machine on.. DC not on...
2. machine starts to mill, DC Goes on..
3. 5 hours later when i fell asleep after the last tool change... DC goes off automagically..
4. CNC still technically on.... but not making noise either...
Should be pretty easy. Just tie the CNC Spindle power to the dust collector, not the mains power. That way the DC will go off when the spindle is off.
There has never been a recorded case of s plastic pipe system exploding. Rockier is yanking your chance for profit.
You're right. But there are several cases reported by insurance companies of fires. But as I have said in the video and numerous times in these comments, the fact I can touch the pipe without getting shocked every 30 seconds makes this a win regardless of any dangers. Which is exactly what was happening before I installed the grounding system.
Fires, quite possibly. Hit a nail in your wood while cutting it and you might get a hot piece of metal that causes a fire.
But that is NOT what you claimed, which was eliminating the possibility of a dust fire/explosion. If you had just left it at "The wire wrap reduces the chance of a static shock when you touch the outside of the pipe." then I would have no complaint in that regard.
Your wire wrap explanation also is incomplete. You showed wrapping the pipe and connecting the wire to the dust gate, but you did not show what needs to be done at the dust collector and tool. Do they need a frame ground or not? Also, doesn't the flex ducting going to the floor sweep need to be wrapped and connected?
I hadn't thought of that solution. I will try the static guard when I install my system in a few weeks.
The only issue that I am trying to solve here is that you need at least 3 power outlets per machine i.e., one for machine, one for the gate and one for the tool that goes on the cable to detect current. There should be a better way to do this which I am not aware of.
One outlet can feed a power bar, which you can plug your gate and sensor in to.
This system will set me back around $800 for my small shop, even higher if they actually offer 6” valves 😳
..Ahh I think I’ll do it manually for now until competition comes in and drive the price down.
Only problem I see and mostvpeople neglect opps your talking about it now I ran stranded copper wire inside my PVC.if you go to metal pipe no wire needed
when is the next video going to be up?
I've had some real job stuff occupying my time. I have a couple of projects in flight but unfinished. Probably by next weekend.
+TheGeekPub ok I was getting worried you quit youtube or something
+Jose Duran Oh no sir! You can always keep up with my musings between videos on Facebook or Instagram. I post lots of pictures of my tests and experiments that never make it to a video too.
Jose Duran
You have a link to these?
Check the article on my website. Complete parts list.
TheGeekPub okay dp.you have a link to your website
Look in the description....
I just think it's funny that this system probably costs more than the dust collector you have it attached to.
I'm confused why you have it programmed to close the blast gate before it turns off the DC. Assuming no gates are open how is it going to evacuate any residual dust? Sounds like it's just putting unnecessary strain on the DC motor.
Exactly the opposite. The blast gates wait 6 seconds to close.
@@TheGeekPub Roger. Just, that's not what you said in the video, thus the confusion (time index 7:57)
You can't ground an insulator. lol. At most you can drain the charge, but it's really not necessary. However spiral flex hose (if it's wire reinforced) will definitely built up a nasty charge and should be grounded for sure.
You obviously don't understand what's happening here.
I'm an electro-mechanical designer. I build commercial grade machinery and industrial control systems for CNC machinery. Checkmate.
Grounding is important because the static can wreck havoc with controls, but in a non-computerized environment the risk of explosion or fire is virtually nil inside the duct work. The larger risks are inside the dust bin or filter areas or drawing a ferrous object into the system and getting a hard spark (metallic ember, not static) from the blower which settles into the dust pile.
But if you really want to play this game, I'll PayPal you $5 for a beer if you can find just one documented example of a PVC dust collection system causing a dust explosion (from static discharge) and post a link here. Put your money where you mouth is, otherwise, you're bullshitting. And nobody likes a bullshitter.
www.woodcentral.com/articles/shop/articles_221.shtml
www.thewoodnerd.com/articles/dustExplosion.html
Good for you. You still don't understand.
A screw and metal duct tape is much better for connections. No 2 by 4 needed.
Name one case of static electricity causing a fire when using PVC pipe????
Go vote for Trump, deny climate change, and refuse to wear a mask. Funny I figured all that out about you from a single comment.
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For those of us that don’t get these free, it’s 200.00 per gate. I don’t no about you but I can make a few trips for that much cost.
I think I'll pass on a fancy 150$ per blast gate, and keep my manual ones
you used a broom to sweep the floor into the vac
+Jake Meoff Imagine that. I used a broom to sweep the floor, into a dust collector "floor sweep"! Or am I missing you somewhere?
I just hope you wear a respirator
+Jake Meoff depends on what operation I am doing.
All those 90° fittings are causing a loss of power and and more friction then need to be
Not enough to ever matter.
This I liked I just wish that rockier would send me free stuff
Hopefully someone can explain how static electricity generated by swirling sawdust in a plastic pipe will channel itself to earth ground. The idea seems a bit sketchy to me. It is my understanding that static build up can result in a net positive or a net negative charge. A net positive static charge would move to a lower potential such as ground. But if the system were to become negatively charged - the earth ground would have to release protons in order to neutralize the effect of static build up. Food for thought right? So unless someone can shed some light on the subject I'm going to have to call bullshit on wood and PVC generated static electrical fires and static grounding...
There have been scientific papers written on this topic. Bullshit it is not. There's even an OSHA paper on it: www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880930.html
I'm sorry to have dragged you into this because this was not really the appropriate place for my comments in the first place.
Dust fire like a wheat grain elevator. I think I would not use a large system like this in my home location. To each his own but don't want to chance it.
Systems like these are in use all across the world in commercial and backyard alike. They're quite safe.
Correct. The energy potential that can build up depends on two major factors, the dust velocity and the interior diameter of the ducting. Even 6" duct is far too small in diameter - there are not enough joules of energy to cause a dust explosion in sawdust, even under ideal laboratory conditions.
@alphasxsignal The health risks of breathing dust far, far outweighs the remote possibility of fire in a well designed system. If you do a lot of woodworking, you would be wise to have an adequate dust collection system.
The chances of an actual fire from static electricity are pretty much Zero. The chances of a fire from dust floating around your shop and being lit by the pilot light on your water heater are probably much greater. The chances of getting lung cancer or some other nasty disease from breathing the dust is much, much greater. There is really no chance of starting a fire and the only reason to ground the system is to keep from getting shocked when you touch it.
Companies like Rockler do like to use these myths to sell gullible people over priced wire. P.S. Double check reviews of Rockler products on Amazon before buying them. They have some good products, but they have a reputation of deleting negative reviews on their branded products.
A three tool kit is $500. CHAAOOO!! An Arduino is about 1/4-1/3 of that cost. Cool tool though.
I was trying to look up arduino, which seems to be a DIY IC board that can be used for many things. Is there already a solution using arduino for this?
I've seen videos on this Dust collection before and in the comments section almost all have said the system stops working after a couple of months so I didn't think about using it and the price would have been $1400. Too far out of the price range for me
Still going solid 4 year later.
@@TheGeekPub thanks for the information .