You seem kind of apologetic about not showing a "woodworking" project. I think this is a very important topic for people to gather information about. Besides just the cleanliness of the work area there are health implications of dust. Something people may not think about is if your shop is in a basement - the fine dust will be impacting everyone else in the house. Proper dust collection is a very important investment in time and money. Great video with a lot of helpful/insightful information.
@@craftedworkshop I agree with Thomas, thanks for all the effort. I have a pretty good dust collection system using 6" PVC but want to upgrade to dual stage (It may eat less goggles etc). I don't have a mitre saw for wood, but my radial arm caused me similar hassles, my pick up is a 4" at blade level, I had to fiddle with the cut off bevel angle. I tried picking it up at the guard with no success. Dust collection isn't easy if it was the manufacturers would do it.
I know this is an old video now but I just saw it. Really nice set up. I run 6" pipe similar to you on my system and have found a dramatic decrease in airflow when going through flex hose. I have compared measurements from 4" flex versus 4" smooth pipe and have concluded that the flex pipe reduces airflow by much more than I expected it would. I noticed you have some very long flex hose runs. I have run straight pipe as much as I can and use very little flex now. The drawback is you can't move your machines around as much but the increase airflow is worth it. I know your changing it but for example, there is not reason to run flex hose down to you miter because you don't have to move that machine.
Totally agree about the grounding issue. I have never had a problem with static electricity whether working with dry or wet wood or the humidity in the shop.
I had to ground my ducting because on very low humidity days it shocked me and it also knocked out the USB communication with my CNC router. It only happened on a very cold and dry day so it may more of an issue in arid climates. I wasn't worried about it causing a fire but had to ground it to keep my CNC router com reliable.
I had my cnc go into safety mode if I touched the shop vac hose to the spindle casing. I ran a ground wire from the spindle clamp to a ground on the power supply and it stopped that.
Off all those tools I only have a miter saw. Recently added a cyclone collector to my shop vac. I've never been more jealous of something that would serve me no purpose. Sweet system!
Very nice overview of all ramifications of this setup. It is quite a system. Thanks for the effort. It is a wonder I am alive from all the dust I have inhaled. I am finally going to set up a system at 63 yrs.
I made a 2 stage collection system with a HF 2 hp motor, and a few pieces of PVC attached to a metal trash can. Cost was less than 200 for entire system. I do agree with you on the grounding issue. Didn't ground mine either. No static on PVC.
Thanks for the overview on your system. I"m really impressed with the results you and Jay have been able to get out of the Clearvue. It really makes me look forward to when I can upgrade to something similar!
Great video. I appreciate your hard stance on the whole grounding thing it really is a myth. Also Self Vulcanizing Tape is the name you were looking for. Really great stuff.
I thought that another reason you have to ground it was because of static shock with you brush up against it. I really don't friggen know. I am just now starting to look at dust collection systems and find the subject VERY confusing with all the static pressure numbers.
@@befmx31 What's interesting is all of the discussion revolving around grounding the exterior of a fully insulated membrane. It would be like shrink-wrapping an insulated wire to avoid getting shocked. If you have metal blast gates you might get a shock from the static that does accumulate, but not enough to create combustion.
I know this is a few months old now but I see an issue with your ducting to the miter saw. You have it reduced from 6 to 4 and then a length of 4 with a Y on the end of that. So basically you just have 2 fours comiing off of a four inch line. you have created a large restriction in this area. You should have one of the true 6 to dual 4 adapters here or at least use a 6" Y and reduce off of that. Great video, I really enjoy your channel!
Thanks Scott! I'm going to be retrofitting this with a 6" blast gate and hose to increase air volume. You're right, my setup wasn't ideal there from the beginning.
I am just now installing my clear vue system and don’t have enough height for the dust bins they sell, how has the garbage can bin worked out? I think I can make that fit.
I totally get your reluctance to start up a 5hp motor for only one or two cuts but that realy defeats the purpose of having a dust collection system. It only takes one cut to fill the air full of fine particles. My shop is the same size as yours and I am considering a 3hp system. If Clearvue offered a 3 hp system would you have chosen that one. Presupposing there is somewhat less reluctance to start up a 3hp motor for just a short time. And, would a 3hp unit have been adequate for your needs? Excellent Video.
Do you have any backstory video about how you got into woodworking, how you came to own your shop, etc.? Seems like a massive step to go from woodworking to having a shop of your caliber. Cheers.
+The Cutting Bored I don't, but that could be a good video for my second channel. My shop is just in my garage, nothing crazy there. RUclips has afforded a lot of the tools via free promotional deals. Definitely very fortunate to have access to this stuff!
Very jealous - also had no idea you had a second channel, but yea that would be great. I'm totally beginner - in a sense of the basic tools I own and the audience I can reach, the projects I've been able to tackle, and just the accessibility to take on larger projects - but love doing it. Everyone on YT either doesn't have a shop (me) or already has one (you) and it would be cool to get an about video discussing your transition from casual woodworker (me) to pro (you) - nothing fancy of course, just a little insight - as you seem to have a similar style to building that I'd like to work towards as well as presentation mode in your vids. Cheers Johnny.
Ah well this main one seems to be absolutely crushing it - I think I subbed about two months ago and you've nearly doubled your following since then so keep it up.
Appreciate the video and all the details. You might think about (somehow) connecting one of your dust collection ports directly to the back of the miter saw. I did that with my shop vac and I'm amazed how much it collects and how little dust is spread around. I realize that it will be a problem converting the 2" port on the miter saw to a 4" vac hose. Just wanted to pass the thought along.
Thanks, definitely a good idea. I'm thinking of running a separate dust extractor for the miter saw, I have one I could use. That way, I could have the ductwork for the cabinet itself and a dust extractor connected direct to the saw. We'll see!
Although pricey the Festool miter saw is incredible on dust collection. I am planning on not connecting miter saw to central duct but getting a Festool shop vac which will fit under the saw and can be used for other small tools with ports and is portable.
What is the updated link for the Shark Guard you have. The link above produces "OOPS! THAT PAGE CAN’T BE FOUND" I looked on the Shark Guard site but did not see it. Could be me, bu.....
Thanks Dan! I figured my system was different enough to make it worthwhile, and hopefully some new people might have learned about the advantages of this type of system.
For the miter saw, I wonder if dropping the two 4" inlets down farther would improve their efficiency? Or building some kind of cowl behind the saw to direct the sawdust towards the vacuum. Really liked this video, I'm about to start in on my own dust collection system, so this has been helpful.
Nice review. I am trying to determine what direction I’m going to go. Grizzly Go441 cyclone or the clearvue. One of my biggest concerns is the fine dust, I have a 37” Ramco wide belt sander . So as you stated when you run your drum sander you can see the fine dust in the drum. There has not been one review or video actually showing how much fine dust is collected in the drum. Take no offense I don’t know any of you that has received system from Clearvue, your word is one thing but proof is in the collection drum. It’s my $2000 at stake not yours or anyone else. Thanks and appreciated.
If you are connecting pvc dust collection to a cnc it should be grounded as any static electrical discharge can cause problems with the control system and stepper motors.
The major price difference (as mentioned in the video) is in the step up from the single stage to the dual stage. I looked into a dual stage, but for what I do (hobby) I couldn't justify the price increase. You can get a relatively inexpensive single stage unit from several places, mine is from Harbor Freight. If you are doing more than just hobby work, a dual stage is the way to go! As always, great video!
Thanks! It is definitely a price increase, but there are new models coming out that are really starting to get close to bridging the gap. Grizzly has some really inexpensive units, although I'm not sure what the quality is like on them.
I assume, like anything, the technology gets to a point when the prices start to drop. Having a two stage would be absolutely awesome. When the cyclone gathers the dust, and pushed the smallest particles through the filter, does it move 'clean' air back out into the room, or do you have to vent to the outside?
Sooner Keith I'm in a similar situation. woodworking is a hobby at this point so I'll be going the cheap route of making a thein baffle and venting outside
Joshua courtney That's the kind of set up I have right now. It works fine for what I do, but it would be awesome to have something better. Then again, every time I watch one of Crafted's videos I see at least one thing I want to add to my shop. I guess we're never "finished" with our shops.
I am in the processing of setting up a system replacing my jet double bah system that spewed dust everywhere. It was in an attached building so noise really wasn’t a factor until I realized I was pumping all that outdoors. I just realized you were sponsored by Clearvue which was one I was considering. The others being Oneida, Laguna Pflex, Baleigh DC2100C. I REALIZE THAT THE ONEIDA AND CLEARVUE HACE LONGER CYCLONES, WHOCH results in extra height which limits shops with low ceilings, but❤ i am truly selling t❤he best performance in reducing dangerous small dust particles as determined by actual users. I am concerned because this unit will be inside my shop not vented inside. HELP.
do you use a separate vacuum for your sander or do you have a downdraft table. you mention the mirka sander what kind of dust collection do you use with that?
+David Hurt I have a Festool dust extractor for that. The mobility is pretty critical, I can sand basically anywhere in my shop, unlike with a downdraft table.
love the video. hope to do about the same. Do you lose performance having gates down river from the Y in the trunk line and not blocking right at the Y?
was there a good reason you ditched the molded gorilla? i have a very small shop (11x24) and to make the most use of the space I won't really be able to put in a huge DC... because my tools will float I'm thinking I should just upgrade what I've got (a 1hp portable with cannister filter) and the molded mini seems like the only option. you seemed fairly happy with it?
Yea, it worked well, I just had the room to upgrade to something more powerful and add ductwork. It’s certainly a lot more convenient. Laguna also has some mobile options that look good.
Just recently subbed and started following you on Instagram. Super jealous of your shop setup and I found this video very informative. Thanks for putting it out there for all of us to see. Keep it up.
Very well done, amazing what a bit of concentrated thought and more than a bit of coin can do:) Like that work you did on table saw using 4 inch pipe above the blade. and switching out the standard 4 inch to 6 on your jointer. Curious about your galvanized trash can, with all that HP do you ever get trash can implosion) I have see that happen with metal cans in the past. Otherwise great video and keep up the great work, smarter not harder)
Nice job! Working on a very similar system (CV1800, pvc) for my home shop. Now that you've been running/using it for a while, is there anything you'd do different? How would you rate the CV1800 noise or have you found a way to reduce the sound? Was there a reason you went with 2 drops for the ts rather than 1 with the CV 6->dual 4 adapter? Thanks for the video, it's been very helpful!
The system is still working well. The CV isn’t quiet but besides building some kind of enclosure for it, I don’t know of another way to reduce the noise. The reason for two drops on the table saw was I needed one hose to hang down to keep it out of the way with that blade guard. I’ve since changed that setup and have one drop with the 6 to dual 4 adapter.
@@craftedworkshop Thanks for your reply Johnny! Sorry, forgot to ask, doh, are static shocks an issue? Re the sound, the Bill Pentz site has a page on making a muffler (Oneida sells something similar) - if you haven't seen, it goes between the plenum and filter. Saw a YT vid where the guy did a side by side with/without. IIRC, it was a significant reduction, 8 dB or so. Thanks, again, Jerry
nice video on the dust collection! have you considered attaching one of the 4inch hoses directly to the miter saw dust port? then you could use the second as a catch all? either way nice work. I want to a better dust collector so bad. I'm thinking all i can do now is just get the super dust deputy.
How does the noise level compare to a single stage dust collector? I find myself wearing hearing protection when I ever I am running my dust collector. do you have any method of soundproofing to reduce the noise.
+David Hurt it is definitely loud. I am always wearing hearing protection anyway since I'm running a tool, so it doesn't really matter to me. You can build a small closet around the dust collector to reduce volume.
First, thanks for sharing. Nice work. Question for you.... looks like the take off from the cyclone is pretty level. But I know the cyclone is angled up a bit from the intake. How did you address that connection?
What type of pvc pipe did you use. The sewer pipe that I have seen is usually blue. Is there a ASTM number or part number on it. Manufacture name also if you don't mind. I just purchased a cvmax and just planning on the ducting... was thinking nordfab, but serious cash.
Great video. Other than cost and having a fixed dust collection system, any significant reason for Clearvue over Oneida? I watched your Oneida mini gorilla video review and you spoke highly of their dust collection. I'm new to woodworking and have a small shop where a portable system would work best. I'm using shop vacs with an Oneida dust deputy currently and I definitely need to upgrade soon.
+Ridgeback Entertainment nope, the Molded Gorilla worked great, this was mainly an efficiency upgrade. That said, the Clearvue definitely pulls a lot more air so it allows me to use bigger ports.
if anyone could explain to me the static pressure numbers and what they mean, I would really appreciate it. Is a higher static pressure value better than a lower value? I mean, if it says the dust collector will produce 1000 cfm at 5.0 sp, does that mean if the static pressure in your system is more than 5.0 the dust collector will not achieve that cfm rating? Is the reverse of that also true? Meaning a system that had 2.0 sp would allow the dust collector to achieve more than 1000 cfm? And what about Max Static Pressure? Would someone be willing to explain this to me OR maybe give me a link to somewhere that does explain it? Thanks.
Nice walk through, was that your old shop Vaccum with a dust deputy in the back, I've been thinking about doing something like this, only with my shop Vacum and smaller pipes as I only have a little work area...thank you for some more good ideas I can work with Keep up the good work 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
+theduck thanks! No, that's the vacuum I use for my sander, router, etc. I have a video about my previous dust collector on my second channel if you're interested.
More then one channel ... different content? It's not listed in your description , I see all the stuff you where talking about there just not a link to your other channel
Jealous. I did a lot of that same work for a much less efficient system :) I'm glad to see you go with the big system over the smaller Grizzly unit. Creating a truly efficient dust collection system is something I'm glad to see you and Jay help push/promote. It's information that needs to be more wide-spread. I realize the claims of 2HP units "capturing everything" are largely innocuous, but it's still inaccurate. DC is something we should be willing to spend as much on as our Table Saw, Jointer, Planer, etc...Good on you for making the leap and creating this content. I'm curious about the benefits of screwing the joints together. Did you opt for doing so to prevent the joints from pulling apart due to an errant board knocking into them? Or do they actually make for a tighter seal?
Thanks man! And definitely agreed, dust collection should be a priority even for hobbyists. I can feel it in my nose and throat when the dust collection isn't working properly, and I know it's not good for us to be breathing this stuff. It was a big budget item, but I spent a lot of time in my shop and it was worth it. And yea, screwing the joints together was mostly to keep them from falling apart on the vertical joints and during the assembly process. They kept popping apart, so I just decided to attach them more securely. I don't think it really helps with the seal or anything like that.
Late arrival but, for your chop saw . . . one 6" pipe (which is already there) carries a greater volume than the two 4" pipes you chose to use. I know . . . hard to believe, but do the math.
Hey man, first off let me say I am a big time Clear Vue fan--but to my question---do you wear hearing protection any time you have your DC on? My CV-1800 is so loud I can't be in the shop when it is running--at least without ear muffs. I haven't seen any RUclipsrs mention how brutally loud that 5 HP motor is? Just interested to what you do??
I can tell you what you can do: ENCLOSE IT; due to many reasons, this time around I decided to get a cyclone that I can keep inside so I don't waste thousands of dollars again only to rust outside, so I got the clearvue max, with a 8" main; I enclosed it in the corner of the shop and left the top part where the motor is open, away from me, thus reducing the noise quite a lot; I put a doorway for the bottom part so you can easily clean out the dust bin; if more serious maintenance is needed, the osb can easily be unscrewed and get access to the entire system; hope this idea help you in reducing the noise. dan.
I guess its a choice one has to make, the noise can be annoying at times thus for me "show" means nothing, production and pleasant environment to work in would do for me
I agree. the PVC controversy is a myth. I've used it un-grounded for years without issue. The myth is perpetuated by makers of expensive metal ducting IMHO.
Hi Johnny, Did you get a stock CV1800, or upgrade the impellar to 16" (a sort of CVMAX / CV1800 hybrid) I'm finally about to commit to the purchase, but I have a 20" planer and want to make certain I've got enough suction.
I have the stock CV1800. Works well for me but I have a 15” planer, might want to confirm with the manufacturer of your planer what kind of CFM they recommend.
sorry to butt in, but cvmax would be a better choice for you, is not the size of the impellar (as you call it) as much as the size of the main run, cvmax has 8" inlet vs cv1800 at 6"; now, that won't help at all if you gonna dramatically drop your lines to 4" or so; you should keep it as large size as possible all the way to the tool.
I had the Laguna PFlux 3HP system and it did a horrible job of separating the dust from the air. I ended up with more dust in the post-filter bin than the actual dust bin. I was not at all impressed with it.
You totally skip right over the one of the most important parts of the entire system, the dust filter. Things like, brand name, size, microns capable of collecting and how much is necessary, how do you and how often do you have to clean it. What is that thing on the bottom of it, you know, small little details like that.
The filter came with the dust collector and the instructions are clear on how to clean it. I spray it out with compressed air and vacuum out the dust from the bottom of the trap.
You seem kind of apologetic about not showing a "woodworking" project. I think this is a very important topic for people to gather information about. Besides just the cleanliness of the work area there are health implications of dust. Something people may not think about is if your shop is in a basement - the fine dust will be impacting everyone else in the house. Proper dust collection is a very important investment in time and money. Great video with a lot of helpful/insightful information.
Totally agree, thanks Thomas! The video was a little off topic for my channel, hence the explanation.
@@craftedworkshop I agree with Thomas, thanks for all the effort. I have a pretty good dust collection system using 6" PVC but want to upgrade to dual stage (It may eat less goggles etc). I don't have a mitre saw for wood, but my radial arm caused me similar hassles, my pick up is a 4" at blade level, I had to fiddle with the cut off bevel angle. I tried picking it up at the guard with no success.
Dust collection isn't easy if it was the manufacturers would do it.
I know this is an old video now but I just saw it. Really nice set up. I run 6" pipe similar to you on my system and have found a dramatic decrease in airflow when going through flex hose. I have compared measurements from 4" flex versus 4" smooth pipe and have concluded that the flex pipe reduces airflow by much more than I expected it would. I noticed you have some very long flex hose runs. I have run straight pipe as much as I can and use very little flex now. The drawback is you can't move your machines around as much but the increase airflow is worth it. I know your changing it but for example, there is not reason to run flex hose down to you miter because you don't have to move that machine.
For sure, good tips!
Totally agree about the grounding issue. I have never had a problem with static electricity whether working with dry or wet wood or the humidity in the shop.
I still have yet to have an issue, I think it’s completely bogus.
I had to ground my ducting because on very low humidity days it shocked me and it also knocked out the USB communication with my CNC router. It only happened on a very cold and dry day so it may more of an issue in arid climates. I wasn't worried about it causing a fire but had to ground it to keep my CNC router com reliable.
+Tony Shulthise yea, that makes sense. It's pretty humid here in NC and we have a fairly temperate climate, so I should be good! Thanks Tony.
I had my cnc go into safety mode if I touched the shop vac hose to the spindle casing. I ran a ground wire from the spindle clamp to a ground on the power supply and it stopped that.
Off all those tools I only have a miter saw. Recently added a cyclone collector to my shop vac. I've never been more jealous of something that would serve me no purpose. Sweet system!
Very nice overview of all ramifications of this setup. It is quite a system. Thanks for the effort. It is a wonder I am alive from all the dust I have inhaled. I am finally going to set up a system at 63 yrs.
+mikunan thanks, glad you’re going to set up a system and help your lungs!
I made a 2 stage collection system with a HF 2 hp motor, and a few pieces of PVC attached to a metal trash can. Cost was less than 200 for entire system. I do agree with you on the grounding issue. Didn't ground mine either. No static on PVC.
NIce walk thru man. Those automatic gates look real sweet
+John Malecki thanks John, they are killer.
InstaBlaster.
Thanks , this is a really good video . Its not filled with funky music or unrealistic fear mongering static electricity info..
Thanks for the overview on your system. I"m really impressed with the results you and Jay have been able to get out of the Clearvue. It really makes me look forward to when I can upgrade to something similar!
Thanks man! The Clearvue is definitely a great unit, happy with it so far.
Great video. I appreciate your hard stance on the whole grounding thing it really is a myth. Also Self Vulcanizing Tape is the name you were looking for. Really great stuff.
Thanks! Yea, I found it in my Amazon order history and linked to it in the video description. That stuff works awesome.
I thought that another reason you have to ground it was because of static shock with you brush up against it. I really don't friggen know. I am just now starting to look at dust collection systems and find the subject VERY confusing with all the static pressure numbers.
@@befmx31 What's interesting is all of the discussion revolving around grounding the exterior of a fully insulated membrane. It would be like shrink-wrapping an insulated wire to avoid getting shocked. If you have metal blast gates you might get a shock from the static that does accumulate, but not enough to create combustion.
Nice to have current sensors on your equipment to open the blast gates!
+Wildman Tech yes it is!
I know this is a few months old now but I see an issue with your ducting to the miter saw. You have it reduced from 6 to 4 and then a length of 4 with a Y on the end of that. So basically you just have 2 fours comiing off of a four inch line. you have created a large restriction in this area. You should have one of the true 6 to dual 4 adapters here or at least use a 6" Y and reduce off of that. Great video, I really enjoy your channel!
Thanks Scott! I'm going to be retrofitting this with a 6" blast gate and hose to increase air volume. You're right, my setup wasn't ideal there from the beginning.
Verry sweet! looking forward to playing with the syfi shop!
Thanks!
i love the taped joints instead of glue. makes mods and cleaning easier
+John Davidson thanks, definitely simplifies things!
I am just now installing my clear vue system and don’t have enough height for the dust bins they sell, how has the garbage can bin worked out? I think I can make that fit.
Late to the party, but thanks for the video, I'm about to pull the plug on a CVMax and am binge watching videos......very well done, subscribed!!
Good information about the MRT. That is a good idea...don't need that nice motor burning out. Really nice setup.
+Bruce A. Ulrich thanks Bruce!
I totally get your reluctance to start up a 5hp motor for only one or two cuts but that realy defeats the purpose of having a dust collection system. It only takes one cut to fill the air full of fine particles. My shop is the same size as yours and I am considering a 3hp system. If Clearvue offered a 3 hp system would you have chosen that one. Presupposing there is somewhat less reluctance to start up a 3hp motor for just a short time. And, would a 3hp unit have been adequate for your needs? Excellent Video.
Nice job on your dust collection system. If you want to fix the problems with dust collection on your Miter Saw , just buy a Festool
Do you have any backstory video about how you got into woodworking, how you came to own your shop, etc.? Seems like a massive step to go from woodworking to having a shop of your caliber. Cheers.
+The Cutting Bored I don't, but that could be a good video for my second channel. My shop is just in my garage, nothing crazy there. RUclips has afforded a lot of the tools via free promotional deals. Definitely very fortunate to have access to this stuff!
Very jealous - also had no idea you had a second channel, but yea that would be great.
I'm totally beginner - in a sense of the basic tools I own and the audience I can reach, the projects I've been able to tackle, and just the accessibility to take on larger projects - but love doing it. Everyone on YT either doesn't have a shop (me) or already has one (you) and it would be cool to get an about video discussing your transition from casual woodworker (me) to pro (you) - nothing fancy of course, just a little insight - as you seem to have a similar style to building that I'd like to work towards as well as presentation mode in your vids.
Cheers Johnny.
Yea, sounds like a fun video idea. The second channel has been kind of slow lately, haven't had a lot of fodder there.
Ah well this main one seems to be absolutely crushing it - I think I subbed about two months ago and you've nearly doubled your following since then so keep it up.
Appreciate the video and all the details. You might think about (somehow) connecting one of your dust collection ports directly to the back of the miter saw. I did that with my shop vac and I'm amazed how much it collects and how little dust is spread around. I realize that it will be a problem converting the 2" port on the miter saw to a 4" vac hose. Just wanted to pass the thought along.
Thanks, definitely a good idea. I'm thinking of running a separate dust extractor for the miter saw, I have one I could use. That way, I could have the ductwork for the cabinet itself and a dust extractor connected direct to the saw. We'll see!
Although pricey the Festool miter saw is incredible on dust collection. I am planning on not connecting miter saw to central duct but getting a Festool shop vac which will fit under the saw and can be used for other small tools with ports and is portable.
What is the updated link for the Shark Guard you have. The link above produces "OOPS! THAT PAGE CAN’T BE FOUND" I looked on the Shark Guard site but did not see it. Could be me, bu.....
maybe put the two 4-inch drops for the miter saw to left and right of the saw at the wall, but at the level of the cutting surface ?
Great Video! FYI the tape is called self-amalgamating tape.
Hey should've put the pipe above the drop sealing if u can
No room unfortunately!
Awesome vid! I'm glad you put this out, despite mentioning in a recent podcast some concern about being close to other recent videos.
Thanks Dan! I figured my system was different enough to make it worthwhile, and hopefully some new people might have learned about the advantages of this type of system.
I noticed you have a lot of dust in the clean out at the bottom of your filter stack. Why is that?
but what about all the people that have a woodshop INSIDE a grain silo?
For the miter saw, I wonder if dropping the two 4" inlets down farther would improve their efficiency? Or building some kind of cowl behind the saw to direct the sawdust towards the vacuum.
Really liked this video, I'm about to start in on my own dust collection system, so this has been helpful.
+rjtumble I think it would definitely help, that exactly what I'm going to try. Thanks!
Nice review. I am trying to determine what direction I’m going to go. Grizzly Go441 cyclone or the clearvue. One of my biggest concerns is the fine dust, I have a 37” Ramco wide belt sander . So as you stated when you run your drum sander you can see the fine dust in the drum. There has not been one review or video actually showing how much fine dust is collected in the drum. Take no offense I don’t know any of you that has received system from Clearvue, your word is one thing but proof is in the collection drum. It’s my $2000 at stake not yours or anyone else. Thanks and appreciated.
If you are connecting pvc dust collection to a cnc it should be grounded as any static electrical discharge can cause problems with the control system and stepper motors.
+Jesterakaozman yup, not connected to the CNC, it just uses a dust extractor.
Thumbs up :D
The major price difference (as mentioned in the video) is in the step up from the single stage to the dual stage. I looked into a dual stage, but for what I do (hobby) I couldn't justify the price increase. You can get a relatively inexpensive single stage unit from several places, mine is from Harbor Freight. If you are doing more than just hobby work, a dual stage is the way to go!
As always, great video!
Thanks! It is definitely a price increase, but there are new models coming out that are really starting to get close to bridging the gap. Grizzly has some really inexpensive units, although I'm not sure what the quality is like on them.
I assume, like anything, the technology gets to a point when the prices start to drop. Having a two stage would be absolutely awesome. When the cyclone gathers the dust, and pushed the smallest particles through the filter, does it move 'clean' air back out into the room, or do you have to vent to the outside?
Sooner Keith I'm in a similar situation. woodworking is a hobby at this point so I'll be going the cheap route of making a thein baffle and venting outside
Joshua courtney That's the kind of set up I have right now. It works fine for what I do, but it would be awesome to have something better. Then again, every time I watch one of Crafted's videos I see at least one thing I want to add to my shop. I guess we're never "finished" with our shops.
+Sooner Keith you can actually do either. If you vent outside, you don't even need the filters, so that saves a lot of money.
Clearvue isn't available in Canada, do you have another suggestion for a full size cyclone?
Five Feet straight out of the cyclone to limit turbulence ?
Light Bulb moment, keep the stream uniform for better separation.
I am in the processing of setting up a system replacing my jet double bah system that spewed dust everywhere. It was in an attached building so noise really wasn’t a factor until I realized I was pumping all that outdoors. I just realized you were sponsored by Clearvue which was one I was considering. The others being Oneida, Laguna Pflex, Baleigh DC2100C. I REALIZE THAT THE ONEIDA AND CLEARVUE HACE LONGER CYCLONES, WHOCH results in extra height which limits shops with low ceilings, but❤ i am truly selling t❤he best performance in reducing dangerous small dust particles as determined by actual users. I am concerned because this unit will be inside my shop not vented inside. HELP.
Great video lots of useful information thank you for posting
Great setup!!! I'm hopefully getting into a much larger shop this summer and while be looking for an upgrade D.C. Great info on this! 👌
Thanks man! This is definitely the way to go, automated blast gates are amazing.
do you use a separate vacuum for your sander or do you have a downdraft table. you mention the mirka sander what kind of dust collection do you use with that?
+David Hurt I have a Festool dust extractor for that. The mobility is pretty critical, I can sand basically anywhere in my shop, unlike with a downdraft table.
Nice setup. I may need to look into one of those.
Thanks!
From what I can see that iVac is rated at 20amps but the clearview is 30amps- how did you get around that?
Excellent video!! Superb dust collection system!! I learned a lot which will help me with my new system!! Thank you very much!!
+Brad F thanks a lot, glad I could help!
Very interesting, I'm hoping you'll come up with a solution for the miter saw because I have the same problem.
It’s a tough one. Jay Bates has come up with a good solution for his, seems to work well.
So sweet the auto gates. Flip it and forget it which is nice.
+Mike McDonald thanks, it is definitely awesome!
love the video. hope to do about the same. Do you lose performance having gates down river from the Y in the trunk line and not blocking right at the Y?
at 7:33 I see saw dust at the bottom of your filter. dose it collect there a lot or is that over along time?
+brandon schupp over time. Not much dust makes it through unless you let the bin overflow.
All the attention to clear but you choose white silicone. Why?
Where did you get your pipe and fittings from? Is the 6 inch pipe sdr 35 or thin wall? Thanks.
Great looking setup. Its on my todo list.
Thanks!
was there a good reason you ditched the molded gorilla? i have a very small shop (11x24) and to make the most use of the space I won't really be able to put in a huge DC... because my tools will float I'm thinking I should just upgrade what I've got (a 1hp portable with cannister filter) and the molded mini seems like the only option. you seemed fairly happy with it?
Yea, it worked well, I just had the room to upgrade to something more powerful and add ductwork. It’s certainly a lot more convenient. Laguna also has some mobile options that look good.
Just recently subbed and started following you on Instagram. Super jealous of your shop setup and I found this video very informative. Thanks for putting it out there for all of us to see. Keep it up.
+Luke Martin thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Johnny! Looks like the shop is coming together nicely, cheers!
+Charlie Moore thanks man!
What did you use to transition from the Clearview 6” / two 4” to the 4” IVAC blast gate?
I really do love your shop.
+jacob longwein thanks Jacob!
Great. Ton of littles infos who do the big difference. Thanks
+Alexandre Tardif thanks!
Great video very helpful.
How did you deal with the angle coming out of the cyclone and the 5 foot straight run ?
DC envy! Great vid Jonny - the iVac solution looks immense 👍
+Richard Clarke thanks Richard!
Where is the cheapest place to purchase all the 6in PVC fittings?
+Gray House Studio I found mine at a local plumbing supply place. Make sure they're Sewer and Drain fittings, not Schedule 40.
Very well done, amazing what a bit of concentrated thought and more than a bit of coin can do:) Like that work you did on table saw using 4 inch pipe above the blade. and switching out the standard 4 inch to 6 on your jointer. Curious about your galvanized trash can, with all that HP do you ever get trash can implosion) I have see that happen with metal cans in the past. Otherwise great video and keep up the great work, smarter not harder)
Nice video and thanks for sharing.
Nice job! Working on a very similar system (CV1800, pvc) for my home shop. Now that you've been running/using it for a while, is there anything you'd do different? How would you rate the CV1800 noise or have you found a way to reduce the sound? Was there a reason you went with 2 drops for the ts rather than 1 with the CV 6->dual 4 adapter? Thanks for the video, it's been very helpful!
The system is still working well. The CV isn’t quiet but besides building some kind of enclosure for it, I don’t know of another way to reduce the noise. The reason for two drops on the table saw was I needed one hose to hang down to keep it out of the way with that blade guard. I’ve since changed that setup and have one drop with the 6 to dual 4 adapter.
@@craftedworkshop Thanks for your reply Johnny! Sorry, forgot to ask, doh, are static shocks an issue? Re the sound, the Bill Pentz site has a page on making a muffler (Oneida sells something similar) - if you haven't seen, it goes between the plenum and filter. Saw a YT vid where the guy did a side by side with/without. IIRC, it was a significant reduction, 8 dB or so. Thanks, again, Jerry
nice video on the dust collection! have you considered attaching one of the 4inch hoses directly to the miter saw dust port? then you could use the second as a catch all? either way nice work. I want to a better dust collector so bad. I'm thinking all i can do now is just get the super dust deputy.
I haven't, not sure if it would reduce the overall volume inside the cabinet too much. Definitely need to do some fiddling though!
lot of info thanks
Thanks for watching!
How does the noise level compare to a single stage dust collector? I find myself wearing hearing protection when I ever I am running my dust collector. do you have any method of soundproofing to reduce the noise.
+David Hurt it is definitely loud. I am always wearing hearing protection anyway since I'm running a tool, so it doesn't really matter to me. You can build a small closet around the dust collector to reduce volume.
First, thanks for sharing. Nice work. Question for you.... looks like the take off from the cyclone is pretty level. But I know the cyclone is angled up a bit from the intake. How did you address that connection?
Thanks! There’s enough play in the connection that I could account for the angle and keep the duct level.
The grounding is a good idea to prevent a dust ignition (explosion) easily fixed insert a wire in the system main trunk line during construction
What type of pvc pipe did you use. The sewer pipe that I have seen is usually blue. Is there a ASTM number or part number on it. Manufacture name also if you don't mind. I just purchased a cvmax and just planning on the ducting... was thinking nordfab, but serious cash.
It was sewer and drain pipe from my local plumbing supply (Hajoca). 6" diameter.
Looks awesome
Thanks!
Great information Johnny, Thanks for sharing!
+Tomy Hovington thanks Tomy!
Off subject, but what is in the yellow systainer box that is sitting on top of you table saw?
+Steve that's for my Mirka Deros sander.
May i ask why you did not keep the Oneida Gorilla system you had only about 1 yr. ago?
It wasn’t powerful enough for ductwork like this.
Great video. Other than cost and having a fixed dust collection system, any significant reason for Clearvue over Oneida? I watched your Oneida mini gorilla video review and you spoke highly of their dust collection. I'm new to woodworking and have a small shop where a portable system would work best. I'm using shop vacs with an Oneida dust deputy currently and I definitely need to upgrade soon.
+Ridgeback Entertainment nope, the Molded Gorilla worked great, this was mainly an efficiency upgrade. That said, the Clearvue definitely pulls a lot more air so it allows me to use bigger ports.
if anyone could explain to me the static pressure numbers and what they mean, I would really appreciate it. Is a higher static pressure value better than a lower value? I mean, if it says the dust collector will produce 1000 cfm at 5.0 sp, does that mean if the static pressure in your system is more than 5.0 the dust collector will not achieve that cfm rating? Is the reverse of that also true? Meaning a system that had 2.0 sp would allow the dust collector to achieve more than 1000 cfm? And what about Max Static Pressure? Would someone be willing to explain this to me OR maybe give me a link to somewhere that does explain it? Thanks.
Where did you get the blue flex duct? Didn't see it mentioned in the above list. Thanks!
It’s Rockler’s Dust Right hose, great stuff! amzn.to/2G8IBjm
Are you still using the shark guard on your saw stop?
I working to hook my dust collection up and I using the I vac, does one blast gate always stay open
Yes. That is something you setup in the settings on the Switch.
Good job. Good info on the small details.
Thanks Thomas!
Nice video. thank you for the info.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video! Thank you!
Nice walk through, was that your old shop Vaccum with a dust deputy in the back,
I've been thinking about doing something like this, only with my shop Vacum and smaller pipes as I only have a little work area...thank you for some more good ideas I can work with
Keep up the good work 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
+theduck thanks! No, that's the vacuum I use for my sander, router, etc. I have a video about my previous dust collector on my second channel if you're interested.
More then one channel ... different content?
It's not listed in your description , I see all the stuff you where talking about there just not a link to your other channel
+theduck here's a link to the video on my second channel: ruclips.net/video/GNfBFA_yknE/видео.html
Thanks dood! Great video
Jealous. I did a lot of that same work for a much less efficient system :)
I'm glad to see you go with the big system over the smaller Grizzly unit. Creating a truly efficient dust collection system is something I'm glad to see you and Jay help push/promote. It's information that needs to be more wide-spread. I realize the claims of 2HP units "capturing everything" are largely innocuous, but it's still inaccurate. DC is something we should be willing to spend as much on as our Table Saw, Jointer, Planer, etc...Good on you for making the leap and creating this content.
I'm curious about the benefits of screwing the joints together. Did you opt for doing so to prevent the joints from pulling apart due to an errant board knocking into them? Or do they actually make for a tighter seal?
Thanks man! And definitely agreed, dust collection should be a priority even for hobbyists. I can feel it in my nose and throat when the dust collection isn't working properly, and I know it's not good for us to be breathing this stuff. It was a big budget item, but I spent a lot of time in my shop and it was worth it.
And yea, screwing the joints together was mostly to keep them from falling apart on the vertical joints and during the assembly process. They kept popping apart, so I just decided to attach them more securely. I don't think it really helps with the seal or anything like that.
Late arrival but, for your chop saw . . . one 6" pipe (which is already there) carries a greater volume than the two 4" pipes you chose to use. I know . . . hard to believe, but do the math.
Hey man, first off let me say I am a big time Clear Vue fan--but to my question---do you wear hearing protection any time you have your DC on? My CV-1800 is so loud I can't be in the shop when it is running--at least without ear muffs. I haven't seen any RUclipsrs mention how brutally loud that 5 HP motor is? Just interested to what you do??
I can tell you what you can do: ENCLOSE IT; due to many reasons, this time around I decided to get a cyclone that I can keep inside so I don't waste thousands of dollars again only to rust outside, so I got the clearvue max, with a 8" main; I enclosed it in the corner of the shop and left the top part where the motor is open, away from me, thus reducing the noise quite a lot; I put a doorway for the bottom part so you can easily clean out the dust bin; if more serious maintenance is needed, the osb can easily be unscrewed and get access to the entire system; hope this idea help you in reducing the noise. dan.
Enclose a tool thats almost meant to give a show? Honestly the thing i love about these DCs is the view
Hah, it is fun to watch!
I guess its a choice one has to make, the noise can be annoying at times thus for me "show" means nothing, production and pleasant environment to work in would do for me
Excellent. Thank you.
+barbara kvistad thanks for watching!
nice job! thanks for taking the time to do it... new sub here!
Thanks Paul, welcome!
Hey look it's my planer!
Hah!
Great job!
Thanks!
Just watched your Oneida video. 🤣
5 HP motor is not 3 face? 3 face motors do not use capacitors for starting.
3 PHASE....anything over 3hp should be, otherwise it's a furfy.
@@brewsterly2927 ??????????
@@mtabernig
A 5HP motor would be 3 phase, not 3 face.
@@brewsterly2927 yeah I c my mistake ....lol
No in socal does not rain, It never rains in Southern California....... nay be once a year?
Thanks.
I agree. the PVC controversy is a myth. I've used it un-grounded for years without issue. The myth is perpetuated by makers of expensive metal ducting IMHO.
Yup!
First comment. This is a great idea, keep up the good work! :)
Thanks!
Hi Johnny,
Did you get a stock CV1800, or upgrade the impellar to 16" (a sort of CVMAX / CV1800 hybrid) I'm finally about to commit to the purchase, but I have a 20" planer and want to make certain I've got enough suction.
I have the stock CV1800. Works well for me but I have a 15” planer, might want to confirm with the manufacturer of your planer what kind of CFM they recommend.
sorry to butt in, but cvmax would be a better choice for you, is not the size of the impellar (as you call it) as much as the size of the main run, cvmax has 8" inlet vs cv1800 at 6"; now, that won't help at all if you gonna dramatically drop your lines to 4" or so; you should keep it as large size as possible all the way to the tool.
Neat!
Thanks!
Which sander do you have and would you recommend it?
+Steve it's the Mirka Deros, and I love it. Works great, quiet, and spins down in less than a few seconds. Awesome dust collection too.
for that price I would've gone with one of the Laguna flux systems!!!
The Laguna systems in that price range are substantially less powerful and would have a hard time with 6" ducting over this length of a run.
I had the Laguna PFlux 3HP system and it did a horrible job of separating the dust from the air. I ended up with more dust in the post-filter bin than the actual dust bin. I was not at all impressed with it.
You totally skip right over the one of the most important parts of the entire system, the dust filter. Things like, brand name, size, microns capable of collecting and how much is necessary, how do you and how often do you have to clean it. What is that thing on the bottom of it, you know, small little details like that.
The filter came with the dust collector and the instructions are clear on how to clean it. I spray it out with compressed air and vacuum out the dust from the bottom of the trap.
Chuckle "the whole system was $350"??? pretty sure one of those blast gates runs like $250.
OMG talking about overkill
We've never seen your cat?
Maybe it got sucked up in the dust collection system. 😛