I think it can be done poorly and done well, but I'm still working on the balance of too much versus just changing up the video here and there. My videos end up being really long so far. But yeah, some of my earlier videos are music disasters 😂 I'm gonna leave them up so I can see how I improve over time. Great build on this and I agree 💯 that your style fits well and the video was very enjoyable to watch!
Thanks so much for the free plans! My fan was a bit taller so had to make the back removeable (just in case), but used some weather stripping to seal. Seems to work just fine!
I dont care who watches this, You really make it work!!,,You have made your garage look like Monster Garage... I only view videos, I dont post, BUT I really give you credit.... I wish and I am not by choice an armchair whatever but I cant do much because back issues.... But my god I just appreciate this video... No showing off, NO saying look how i do it.... Just a good guy doing Good work!!!!.....Life is short... Enjoy it
Thank I appreciate the kind words, it means a lot. Everything I try to do is from the point of view the average Joe. I started small with flea market 2nd hand and harbor freight tools and just made them work. Even today I'm still a sucker for a good deal a quality vintage tool. This is a hobby for me, as is my old car, so I have to balance the hobby want, the the realistic need. Hope you back gets better my wife struggles with hers.
Nice video! Looking to do this soon. Doesn’t the fan blowing down disturb the dust or does it get offset by the amount it sucks in? If I have a dusty floor it’ll just blow it everywhere
I have a similar filter, and I can tell you the air blowing down on you is a PITA and does stir up dust, but as you asked, most of it ends up in the filter. I usually turn it on, set the timer for an hour, and walk out. This one is much better than mine, which I bought on Amazon.
Great build. Suggestion: since u are using metal straps to hold the filter in, you can use 2 inch thick filters for less air restriction and higher efficiency and airflow. Yes it’ll stick out a bit, but it hangs and out of the way already.
Why would a thicker filter restrict the air flow less than a thiner one? I'm trying to get information to build a dust filter and I don't know what to use between 1 inch and 2 inches filter. Thanks
@@mougoule more surface area with thicker filters. Use filterete 3m. They are the best brand, they have lots of pleates to maximize surface area. Brand matters a lot too.
@@mougoule Every pleat is twice as long, which, you can imagine if you unfolded the pleated filter you'd have twice the surface area. Twice the surface area -> half the airflow restriction.
@@veri745 if you un unfold the filter yes. But if you don't, since the surface is the same and you are doubling the amount of material you are also decreasing the air flow.
@@mougoule If you double the amount of area the air has to move through you are cutting the restriction in half. The pleats are twice as deep. Meaning you have approximately twice as much surface area. It doesn't mean the material is twice as thick.
Finally getting around to building one for my garage. Wondered if you have any updates, how well it has performed, have you been satisfied, etc. Take care and have a happy new year!
Greetings to you and anyone else here reading. This is a novel concept and very well executed. Minimum Materials, efficient slotted design and the hanging system allows for vibration isolation. There is just one issue, and it comes into view when you consider your Garage as the system, an not your Fan by itself. 1. The suction force at filters is 1/4 the Output force. So the churning of the air is dominated by the Fan's downwash. 1b. Your fan blows downward from the middle of the Garage, PUSHING dust to the edges of your where more likely than not, there are shelves. Once at these edges the air is forced to rise up and come around the top into the filters. During this "rise", heavier particles that may be swept up from the floor will be shed along the shelving on the garage's edges. So over time you are going to have build up of dust under shelves and on shelves. 2. The location of the filters is at a height where it is incapable of trapping larger, heavier particles. Suggestions: A redesign of the enclosure is required. With 3 filters and fan blowing backwards. into the back of the garage. Bottom and Top closed. This would "Lift up the air from the middle (where most dust is created) and push outwards the larger dust on the floor from the back wash waterfalling down.
Thanks for your comments. Folks can choose to mount this in different orientations if they choose. For me, I want this to double as a ceiling fan. So in my garage it works pretty effectively.
I agree about having the fan blow upward. I want to push the warm/heated air at the ceiling to the walls and down in winter. I'm not concerned about the large particles, I can vacuum those up. I am concerned about the small particles that I breathe.
I like your design. I would make one little addition, put a closed cell 1/2x1/4 foam window seal between the metal fan basket & the box to dampen any fan vibration noises from transmitting into the air filter box.
I like the idea, one suggestion is even though you're using locking washers to hold the nut I would maybe suggest adding a nylon nut as added safety. In case by some odd chance the vibration loosen the nuts from the lock washers. Nylon nut would less likely vibrate loose.
Hi, first thanks for sharing your plans this will fit my shop . ? why did you face the fan blowing down ( blowing the stuff off the floor ) and not facing up into the box. Thank you Roy
i made mine for a shop about 20 years ago from a squirrel cage fan for a hvac system . it was a side dump instead of bottom dump the top flange was wider then the unit and i screwed it directly to the truss joist above and i used hepa filters . same concept very low cost. i made a sanding table as well that sucked the air through 1/2" holes in the top . doubled as a out feed for other tools in the shop
I really like your design and your execution! I'll probably copy this very closely for my shop with a few minor changes and one giant change. The giant change is to leave room for super cheap furnace filters to protect the more expensive MERV-13 filters from coarse debris.
The coarse debris tends to fall out of the air. It's the small particles that act more like a gas than a solid that linger in the air. That's what you breath in. A good cyclone dust collector is also a great help.
I think you did a great job and clearly put some thought into it. I've been pondering making something like this and was wondering if a box fan would be as effective as your Lasco fan. One concern I had is that by having the fan face downward instead of outward that it would disperse any sawdust underneath it on your work area. I'm also not convinced that any weather stripping would provide any significant benefit since the filters will be sucked in when running.
This is the only build of this fan type I've seen so thanks for sharing! I've just ordered three 20x20 filters as I have three of these fans, I was going to do a simple 1 fan one filter but now I'm wondering if to just do one fan and 3 filters and use the other two fans just to exhaust air out of my shop.
@@woodworkingphoto8083 it really comes down to type of filter and how dirty thr filters get. The higher in MERV rating you go, the more restrictive the filters are, so the more surface area you need, especially once they start getting dirty. But if one filter is working for you, then awesome!
love this design, i might try it. I think i will come up with sides that hold the filter easier and easier to come off. I'm thinking of using magnetic tape and build sides where the filter fits in them. Where i can just take the side down put the new filter in, Then pop it back on. Without having to bend the metal pieces every time.
Good project, I like the box design. I'm going to try starting with your build approach, but narrowing it, using 2 filters with a squirrel cage fan , but I want to figure a way to direct the output air into my dust collector system, so the air dissipates through the bag. I need the air to be both clean and still enough to finish my guitars. But your design solved covers of my needs!
Of all the RUclips videos I have watched... your narrative was the best! I have a similar arrangement in my garage...one car and all is on casters or on a cleat well. Thank you!
Clear focused video, informative narration, and NO annoying music. That's how all DIY videos should be. Thanks for sharing. BTW, you say "basically" a lot! Lol
A great, simple design. Have you been able to determine how much of a difference the fan speed setting makes? As in, if you leave it on the low speed does it clean the air adequately enough?
Very nice build ! My only concern is that i do think the filters are in reverse. Meaning, the cross hatch noticable is supposed to be on the inside, thus preventing the filter media from being sucked into the fan when loaded with dust etc. This is unless i'm misreading the air flo direction. Beautiful craftsmanship on the build.
I love the slotted design. I made something similar with 20x20 filters, but this design would have made assembly extremely easy and have built in filter stops. Great work!
Looking at building this, but wondered if you considered have the fan inverted, to blow up into the box. It would be a bit more work with reinforcing the filters and perhaps rewiring the speed dial.
That's generally not how any of these air filter systems work. As then you would be sucking dirty air through the fan/motor. That would require constant cleaning of the blades and motor and probably would redude motor life as the bearings would be subject to lots of fine dirt. Also, it would make it much harder to seal the filters as they would be getting pushed away from the housing vs sucked against it.
@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop I thought that was why. I think a sealed motor and s slot system for the filters could overcome those negatives but the fan blades would require continuous cleaning. Your video was excellent, as others have repeatedly stated.
You could put some foam weatherstripping behind the filters. It won't interfere with variations in filter size. The filters will just press against it to form a seal.
You did a great job. Good build good filter setup. Nice placement. Was worried about the weight bit at around 25lb not too bad. Would like to know the air turnover rate and if it blowing down causes any dust on the floor to rise into the air.
Solid build. I built a rolling filter a few years ago. So, this is a process question. Not sure if this question was asked, but why did you take the frame apart and attached the sides separately? Similar to how you attached the back, it would have been a lot easier (I think) to attach the sides to each other during your dry fit, then attach the front and the back to the pre-assembled side panels. You wouldn't have to worry about lining up and balancing the sides while you're gluing them. Also, for the filters, you can use rotating hold downs, instead of the metal tabs. I used small plastic tabs secured by a single screw. They just rotate out of the way when you need to swap the filters. Nice work though.
The filters vary and are not as deep as the space provided for them. Filters vary in depth, so building to one specific filter may cause fit issues later. The bendable tabs account for all that variation and allow for positive pressure to firmly press the filter against the opening to help seal. Thanks for your feedback.
Top notch work here. I feel you put a lot of work into the wood enclosure and maybe not enough love into the filters. Im not sure what you are trying to get from the filter, so maybe just basic air filtration. Those filters will quickly get overwhelmed by large particles without some pre filter and adding a activated carbon filter will help with volotile organic and and fumes or odors will be reduced. Although not cheap its also good to look for true HEPA filters too.
Smart people are smart people! Great wood working skills, but also awesome communication coupled with great editing. Audience aware and great communication style to model from! 👍
Great build and love the instructional video! Do you think this would work better with the fan facing upwards? I'm just wondering if the air from the fan would be blowing the dust back down and keeping it from getting sucked into the filters and trapped. Thanks!
Since it’s mounted on the ceiling and effectively above the dirty air, I would have put the fan facing upward so as to suck the dusty air easier. It currently has to suck the air all the way up to the ceiling in order to then filter it and blow it back down., mixing it with the lower dusty air. There would be an argument for blowing it down if it was mounted a foot off the ground. But anything higher than that and it would likely blow upwards so as to not kick up dust off the floor.
first Commerical was on fox and most recent was a top 200 American salon, awards in New York and LA and I saw the exposure in that sun lit garage shot...it struck me and then the soft even light.. it was like a mental vacation, beautiful. I was so overjoyed to see how beautiful the shots can be!
Excellent build video and thanks for the plans! Is it still working for you after a year or so? Does this keep that layer of dust from being ever present? Would you build it differently now? Like perhaps use bigger filters?
So the air blows downwards? Does that not blow more particles and dust around the room? I would think blowing into the box would be better, but then you'd have dust and particulate on the motor of the fan....
I had decided to use this fan separate from this video to build an air filter as a Birthday present for my mother. This video was INVALUABLE to me and so well made. Thank you!
Curious as to why you chose to pull air thru the filters instead of exhausting air thru filters? The way you have it set seems to me that you are making more dust in the air with the fan facing downward instead of blowing into the filters.
My only question is: the bearings (most likely preoiled sintered bronze sleeve type) are set up for the fan running vertically so they don't have thrust bearing built in... But your mounting horizontally so is there going to be a accelerated wear since possibly gravity and the thrust from the blades moving air are causing thrust the fan was never designed for?
Good build project. Easy to follow. I made one with a box fan. Yours is a much better design. I did cover the corners with black duct tape,to give a better seal. Tks
I enjoyed this… It’s nice to see folks like yourself ‘making thing work’ as a genuine hobbyist/homeowner with less than our ‘dream tools’. I’m primarily a hand tool guy, but also must work with the 10” bandsaw, a benchtop drill press, etc… I’ll be buying a 14” bandsaw this year, but that’s taken a while to save for and I’ve put plenty of thought into if it’s a need or a nice to have. I have quite a bit of money sunk into my hand tools, but take a more spartan approach otherwise; think of it as an 80/20 mindset. I enjoy taking the tool to the timber and working in the silence that it brings, the other 20% falls into things I have to do to get back to things I want to do. In my case the investment in a nice bandsaw will address safety and also open up windows into doing many things that take far too long right now (like hand resawing). So it will fall more into the 80% category. Im not sure if I adequately articulated why I appreciate your channel, but you surely did get a new subscriber with “all” checked on notifications. I’m still going to watch Shannon Rogers, Bob Roskowski, Mitch Peacock, and the like for sure, but I’m looking forward to seeing your new videos while catching up on your other videos. IMO, don’t worry about the length of the video. I appreciate thinking through it with you. 👍
Hello again, I am about to build this same filter setup you built. I got all the stuff coming this week, my question is it’s been a year now since you built this, is there anything you don’t like about it? Is it cleaning the fine dust from the air? Is there anything you would do different? I know a lot of questions but just want to get this right the first time around. Was kind of hoping you would have done an update video to this. Also thought about making it so the fan is on the ceiling side instead of blowing out the bottom. Ty for taking the time to make this video , I just had a few questions about it. Mike
Great build and ideas! One thing.... when you ask Alexa to do something, change what you say for the trigger word. My Alexa kept trying to turn things on and off, but I don't have what you have, so she didn't figure it out. It was funny though!
Thank you so much! I had started gathering everything for such a project before this video and evidently don't picture designs well, so it is waiting to be done. The only difference for mine is that I all of the filters are large which will result in a monster air purifier. 🥴. I appreciate your instructions and clean video.
Nicely done. I would definitely orient the fan to the top of the box however to prevent kicking up dust below and use 1/2" thick material at most to reduce weight. One could build it out of even 1/4" with some minor reinforcement if that is a serious concern, but that obviously adds complication.
Thanks for this, nice design. I have a question though, and it has to do with something you said, and what I was thinking as you said it. You mentioned, (paraphrasing) setting the fan to low to circulate the air so you didn't blow stuff around on the floor. I wonder if having the fan exhaust directed upward instead of downward would be a better option? It's a genuine question because I just built a portable unit that more or less BRUTE FORCE collects dust but it's designed to be placed close to where I'm sanding etc. I want a unit to be more permanent, hanging from the celling. So, what are the pros and cons of directing the fan exhaust upward vs downward. I have 12 foot ceilings in my shop so it will be up pretty high I think. Thanks again - and VERY cool car by the way. :)
I cover a bit of that in the video. It would add a little bit I am sure, but even most commercial units don't use them. The clips and the suction from the fan provide a lot of seal itself. But it couldnt hurt!
one thing i reccommedn is the position of the filter/fan, to face upwards or facing out the front of the garage, because it will only filter very small particulates that are on the sides of the filters at that height, rather than below the whole system.
super nice build, thank you for showing all the steps too, very helpful for noobs like me. I think the final result looks really good, almost too good for a fan haha, but I'm sure you could adapt the same design to other situations and have the confidence of knowing you already did a similar build once
I had all kinds of issues with my Kreg Track Saw like yours. After tweaking it some, I finally figured out it was the way my Mikata circular saw was mounted. Now it works pretty good. Need to finish watching your vid. I've seen several versions of these. 20" X 20" seems to be the most common. Ask This Old House has one that explains the advantages to using a 2" or 4" thick filter. That gives you more surface space. I've also been wondering if you would benefit from putting a lower MERV out the outside catching the larger particles that could be thrown away more frequently than the MERV 13. Either way, I am willing to bet my shop would benefit from one or even two of these.
this is excellent! just one curiosity: why use such thick plywood? call me cheap but i think i would have used some OSB board with lick of paint to make it easier to clean dust afterwards.
Indeed, I've used those circulator fans for years. A godsend when I lived in the desert and was working on my car in 105f weather. Box fans don't hold a feather to them.
@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop First, nice craftsmanship. Now I am wondering how well this works ... for example you close your doors and route MDF loading the air with particles measure how long to scrub air. Other thing I have a Jet scrubber hanging from my cieling and it has louvers to direct the air. I would be curious how you unit preforms compared to those you buy and how performance would vary with different filters and of course how long filters last. Would there be a benefit directing discharge air, for example if you could not mount it in middle of your shop. A dirty shop is not fun to work in ... Good project.
Hi. Nice work. What is your long term experience? Have you had to change the filters? Do you notice a real difference in just how much airborne dust that settles on all surfaces after sanding/sawing or whatever? Br from Denmark L
@@Northeast_Mainiac figure a sheet of 3/4 sanded plywood and the fan and the filters. So approx $150? But it has about 4x the filter surface area of the cheap consumer units (aka WEN model)
The design is good ,i am trying to evaluate how this can be made in steel fabricated design . Did u calculate how much air is being sucked and can u use 3or 4 units in one room to extract dust from every corner easily reducing the load of sucking from far off areas
Does it make more sense to have the fan output blowing up towards the ceiling this way the dust particles get drawn in from the bottom and the sides. With the facing down doesn't it push the dust down and have to wait for it to pull it back up into the filters?. I'm making one of these now and been going back and forth with how to orient the fan
I think that you might used too much screws but the design is very good indeed. I have see some other videos but this one it the one which I will use to make one for my woodworking workshop. Thanks a take an extra cup of coffee as reward for giving us those tips. 👊
Looks like a very good design. A dumb question, maybe, but since the fan is facing down will that not tend to blow dust around the shop? Would it be better to turn the design so the fan blows horizontally?
Great video! This is the design I am going with adjusting for 14x20x1 filters so I can buy 6packs, 4 for the 14x24 shop and 2 for the 2200sqft house, the irony here... Anyway, I'm excited to get on to this project!
Just started making mine. I used a 2" hole saw for the radii. Very little sawdust and by not quite going through on the first pass I was able to flip the panels and use the hole saw drill bit hole to realign the second pass. And no chip outs.
When I seen you use the Matal to secure the filters . An upgrade could be using some self secure hinges for cabinet doors. Screw the one sind into the assembly and allowing them to snap into place over the filter covers. They will last a ling time add presser and snap into place .
Very well. I go through a set of filters about every month. I'm amazed at how much it pulls out of the air. I turn in on when I am painting in the garage. I started using MERV 8 filters instead of MERV 13 as the MERV 13 filters started to clog too quickly.
that is the most well built designs ive seen yet, most i see use J channels, that seems more secure, do you think rubber or foam gaskets would help or the tolerance is tight enough?
This is a nice build, well thought out. I think it will outperform the WEN unit as well. I've been looking into designs to help guide what I want to do and I think this is one of the better ones I've see. Good job on this!
Great project. Love the outcome. Was wondering if there is any noise transfer to the ceiling from any motor vibration. In my case I have a room above the garage. I guess I would be able to replace the turn buckles with with a chain chain link and springs to kill any vibration transfer. My home air exchanger is installed with chain and springs and it is run 24/7 with non vibration transfer noise. Could be a good idea for you if you do have a room above you garage. Great content good job thanks.
This is a great project from design to finished product. The video editing is first class and the lack of music really did add a touch of classy detail that was evident throughout the production and finished product. I was anxiously awaiting your method of mounting the air filters into place and was taken aback a bit when you chose to not use any method of sealing around the paper/cardboard filter frame. I see the issue at hand and realize that the vacuum within the air box is going to provide a very significant sealing effect. As I pondered it further I concluded that adding typical foam type weather stripping would invite the dust into penetrating the foam and I suppose that would work out okay but in the long run it would become less effective as the dust being packed into the foam would reduce the flexibility and reduce the sealing benefit. Upon further thought I leaned more towards a ribbed type of soft but solid plastic/rubber seal similar to what one might find on a refrigerator door where rows of soft ribs would ultimately provide the sealing effect but would not be permeated my the fine dust like a foam type of weather stripping might. Thank you for sharing this project that is beneficial in so many different ways.
Great design. I'm thinking of copying it! Is the 20 inch fan airflow not enough, just right or too much? I'm thinking about same type of fan but 14 inch. What are your thoughts? Thanks.
Great video. I just built this very similar to yours. Mine was using 20 x 12 merv 13 filters for the sides and bottom, 20 x 20 for the back. This issue is that when I turn the fan on I barley feel air coming out of the front. When I remove the rear 20 x 20 filter I can then feel the air flow and I can hear the difference in the fan motor. As if it is straining with all the filters in. Will this reduce the life of the fan motor? All the filters are new.
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Not sure if anyone has said it yet, but THANK YOU for not spoiling your great video with annoying music. It made it even better to watch.
Hahaha thanks! Yeah I hate that music also.
I think it can be done poorly and done well, but I'm still working on the balance of too much versus just changing up the video here and there. My videos end up being really long so far. But yeah, some of my earlier videos are music disasters 😂 I'm gonna leave them up so I can see how I improve over time.
Great build on this and I agree 💯 that your style fits well and the video was very enjoyable to watch!
Lmao I'm hard of hearing can't even hear him talk lol.❤ I don't use radio, fear upsetting a neighbor, on other side of walls.
Great job.
7:37 you need a tablesaw sled.
That's a really well designed, constructed and affordable air cleaner. Thank you.
VERY good program. I like it when a narrator describes what he's doing. Not playing some crappy music.
Ten months later now, would you change anything? is it working as planned? great build
Thanks so much for the free plans! My fan was a bit taller so had to make the back removeable (just in case), but used some weather stripping to seal. Seems to work just fine!
You've made one of the nicer designs that I've seen as I pour through RUclips videos on this subject. :) Great job!!
I dont care who watches this, You really make it work!!,,You have made your garage look like Monster Garage... I only view videos, I dont post, BUT I really give you credit.... I wish and I am not by choice an armchair whatever but I cant do much because back issues.... But my god I just appreciate this video... No showing off, NO saying look how i do it.... Just a good guy doing Good work!!!!.....Life is short... Enjoy it
Thank I appreciate the kind words, it means a lot. Everything I try to do is from the point of view the average Joe. I started small with flea market 2nd hand and harbor freight tools and just made them work. Even today I'm still a sucker for a good deal a quality vintage tool. This is a hobby for me, as is my old car, so I have to balance the hobby want, the the realistic need. Hope you back gets better my wife struggles with hers.
Nice video! Looking to do this soon. Doesn’t the fan blowing down disturb the dust or does it get offset by the amount it sucks in? If I have a dusty floor it’ll just blow it everywhere
I have a similar filter, and I can tell you the air blowing down on you is a PITA and does stir up dust, but as you asked, most of it ends up in the filter. I usually turn it on, set the timer for an hour, and walk out. This one is much better than mine, which I bought on Amazon.
Great build. Suggestion: since u are using metal straps to hold the filter in, you can use 2 inch thick filters for less air restriction and higher efficiency and airflow. Yes it’ll stick out a bit, but it hangs and out of the way already.
Why would a thicker filter restrict the air flow less than a thiner one? I'm trying to get information to build a dust filter and I don't know what to use between 1 inch and 2 inches filter. Thanks
@@mougoule more surface area with thicker filters. Use filterete 3m. They are the best brand, they have lots of pleates to maximize surface area. Brand matters a lot too.
@@mougoule Every pleat is twice as long, which, you can imagine if you unfolded the pleated filter you'd have twice the surface area. Twice the surface area -> half the airflow restriction.
@@veri745 if you un unfold the filter yes. But if you don't, since the surface is the same and you are doubling the amount of material you are also decreasing the air flow.
@@mougoule If you double the amount of area the air has to move through you are cutting the restriction in half. The pleats are twice as deep. Meaning you have approximately twice as much surface area. It doesn't mean the material is twice as thick.
Finally getting around to building one for my garage. Wondered if you have any updates, how well it has performed, have you been satisfied, etc. Take care and have a happy new year!
Greetings to you and anyone else here reading. This is a novel concept and very well executed. Minimum Materials, efficient slotted design and the hanging system allows for vibration isolation.
There is just one issue, and it comes into view when you consider your Garage as the system, an not your Fan by itself.
1. The suction force at filters is 1/4 the Output force. So the churning of the air is dominated by the Fan's downwash.
1b. Your fan blows downward from the middle of the Garage, PUSHING dust to the edges of your where more likely than not, there are shelves. Once at these edges the air is forced to rise up and come around the top into the filters. During this "rise", heavier particles that may be swept up from the floor will be shed along the shelving on the garage's edges. So over time you are going to have build up of dust under shelves and on shelves.
2. The location of the filters is at a height where it is incapable of trapping larger, heavier particles.
Suggestions: A redesign of the enclosure is required. With 3 filters and fan blowing backwards. into the back of the garage. Bottom and Top closed. This would "Lift up the air from the middle (where most dust is created) and push outwards the larger dust on the floor from the back wash waterfalling down.
Thanks for your comments. Folks can choose to mount this in different orientations if they choose. For me, I want this to double as a ceiling fan. So in my garage it works pretty effectively.
I agree about having the fan blow upward. I want to push the warm/heated air at the ceiling to the walls and down in winter. I'm not concerned about the large particles, I can vacuum those up. I am concerned about the small particles that I breathe.
I like your design. I would make one little addition, put a closed cell 1/2x1/4 foam window seal between the metal fan basket & the box to dampen any fan vibration noises from transmitting into the air filter box.
Great idea!
I like the idea, one suggestion is even though you're using locking washers to hold the nut I would maybe suggest adding a nylon nut as added safety. In case by some odd chance the vibration loosen the nuts from the lock washers. Nylon nut would less likely vibrate loose.
Hi, first thanks for sharing your plans this will fit my shop . ? why did you face the fan blowing down ( blowing the stuff off the floor ) and not facing up into the box. Thank you Roy
This was amazing.
I've never seen anyone use every tool they own to make one simple box
i made mine for a shop about 20 years ago from a squirrel cage fan for a hvac system . it was a side dump instead of bottom dump the top flange was wider then the unit and i screwed it directly to the truss joist above and i used hepa filters . same concept very low cost. i made a sanding table as well that sucked the air through 1/2" holes in the top . doubled as a out feed for other tools in the shop
Great video man, excellent presentation.
Question for you: doesn't this just blast air downwards and stir up any dust in the area?
Excellent work, I was going to use a box fan, but I like your design much better.
great work. Adding another filter on the top would greatly improve the air flow and that means more dust filtration.
I really like your design and your execution! I'll probably copy this very closely for my shop with a few minor changes and one giant change. The giant change is to leave room for super cheap furnace filters to protect the more expensive MERV-13 filters from coarse debris.
Thanks. I tried to create a design that was flexible and changeable to suit whatever needs you may have.
The coarse debris tends to fall out of the air. It's the small particles that act more like a gas than a solid that linger in the air. That's what you breath in. A good cyclone dust collector is also a great help.
I like this design, but would want to upgrade to at least 2 inch filters for better air flow and longer useful filter life.
I think you did a great job and clearly put some thought into it. I've been pondering making something like this and was wondering if a box fan would be as effective as your Lasco fan. One concern I had is that by having the fan face downward instead of outward that it would disperse any sawdust underneath it on your work area. I'm also not convinced that any weather stripping would provide any significant benefit since the filters will be sucked in when running.
This is the only build of this fan type I've seen so thanks for sharing! I've just ordered three 20x20 filters as I have three of these fans, I was going to do a simple 1 fan one filter but now I'm wondering if to just do one fan and 3 filters and use the other two fans just to exhaust air out of my shop.
Curious to see what you come up with!
I've found that a single filter cuts down on the air flow too much. Go with the multiple filters per fan.
I went with just 1 filter and one fan, it's working well, draws air well and there's plenty of air coming out the fan.
@@woodworkingphoto8083 it really comes down to type of filter and how dirty thr filters get. The higher in MERV rating you go, the more restrictive the filters are, so the more surface area you need, especially once they start getting dirty. But if one filter is working for you, then awesome!
@@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop its 100% better than what I had before, i.e. nothing! Thanks for making this video!
love this design, i might try it. I think i will come up with sides that hold the filter easier and easier to come off. I'm thinking of using magnetic tape and build sides where the filter fits in them. Where i can just take the side down put the new filter in, Then pop it back on. Without having to bend the metal pieces every time.
Good project, I like the box design. I'm going to try starting with your build approach, but narrowing it, using 2 filters with a squirrel cage fan , but I want to figure a way to direct the output air into my dust collector system, so the air dissipates through the bag. I need the air to be both clean and still enough to finish my guitars.
But your design solved covers of my needs!
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
Of all the RUclips videos I have watched... your narrative was the best! I have a similar arrangement in my garage...one car and all is on casters or on a cleat well. Thank you!
Clear focused video, informative narration, and NO annoying music. That's how all DIY videos should be. Thanks for sharing.
BTW, you say "basically" a lot! Lol
A great, simple design. Have you been able to determine how much of a difference the fan speed setting makes? As in, if you leave it on the low speed does it clean the air adequately enough?
Awesome build. Just one note, as a guy who's had a house burn to the ground due to extension cord, I'd find a way to hard wire that.
Very nice build !
My only concern is that i do think the filters are in reverse. Meaning, the cross hatch noticable is supposed to be on the inside, thus preventing the filter media from being sucked into the fan when loaded with dust etc.
This is unless i'm misreading the air flo direction.
Beautiful craftsmanship on the build.
I love the slotted design. I made something similar with 20x20 filters, but this design would have made assembly extremely easy and have built in filter stops. Great work!
Looking at building this, but wondered if you considered have the fan inverted, to blow up into the box. It would be a bit more work with reinforcing the filters and perhaps rewiring the speed dial.
That's generally not how any of these air filter systems work. As then you would be sucking dirty air through the fan/motor. That would require constant cleaning of the blades and motor and probably would redude motor life as the bearings would be subject to lots of fine dirt. Also, it would make it much harder to seal the filters as they would be getting pushed away from the housing vs sucked against it.
@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop I thought that was why. I think a sealed motor and s slot system for the filters could overcome those negatives but the fan blades would require continuous cleaning. Your video was excellent, as others have repeatedly stated.
I love your design and level of craftsmanship on this air filter. Thank you for sharing.
You could put some foam weatherstripping behind the filters. It won't interfere with variations in filter size. The filters will just press against it to form a seal.
You did a great job. Good build good filter setup. Nice placement. Was worried about the weight bit at around 25lb not too bad.
Would like to know the air turnover rate and if it blowing down causes any dust on the floor to rise into the air.
Great video, I am gong to make this for may shop. You gave me some terrific insight. Thank you
Solid build. I built a rolling filter a few years ago. So, this is a process question. Not sure if this question was asked, but why did you take the frame apart and attached the sides separately? Similar to how you attached the back, it would have been a lot easier (I think) to attach the sides to each other during your dry fit, then attach the front and the back to the pre-assembled side panels. You wouldn't have to worry about lining up and balancing the sides while you're gluing them.
Also, for the filters, you can use rotating hold downs, instead of the metal tabs. I used small plastic tabs secured by a single screw. They just rotate out of the way when you need to swap the filters.
Nice work though.
The filters vary and are not as deep as the space provided for them. Filters vary in depth, so building to one specific filter may cause fit issues later. The bendable tabs account for all that variation and allow for positive pressure to firmly press the filter against the opening to help seal. Thanks for your feedback.
Any reason you didn't build the filter wall frames from single pieces of say 1x3 or 4 ? However it looks great !!
Top notch work here. I feel you put a lot of work into the wood enclosure and maybe not enough love into the filters. Im not sure what you are trying to get from the filter, so maybe just basic air filtration. Those filters will quickly get overwhelmed by large particles without some pre filter and adding a activated carbon filter will help with volotile organic and and fumes or odors will be reduced. Although not cheap its also good to look for true HEPA filters too.
Smart people are smart people! Great wood working skills, but also awesome communication coupled with great editing. Audience aware and great communication style to model from! 👍
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words.
Great build and love the instructional video!
Do you think this would work better with the fan facing upwards? I'm just wondering if the air from the fan would be blowing the dust back down and keeping it from getting sucked into the filters and trapped. Thanks!
Since it’s mounted on the ceiling and effectively above the dirty air, I would have put the fan facing upward so as to suck the dusty air easier. It currently has to suck the air all the way up to the ceiling in order to then filter it and blow it back down., mixing it with the lower dusty air.
There would be an argument for blowing it down if it was mounted a foot off the ground. But anything higher than that and it would likely blow upwards so as to not kick up dust off the floor.
first Commerical was on fox and most recent was a top 200 American salon, awards in New York and LA and I saw the exposure in that sun lit garage shot...it struck me and then the soft even light.. it was like a mental vacation, beautiful. I was so overjoyed to see how beautiful the shots can be!
Love the esthetics of your filter box. It will most likely be my first project in my loft shop.
Excellent build video and thanks for the plans! Is it still working for you after a year or so? Does this keep that layer of dust from being ever present? Would you build it differently now? Like perhaps use bigger filters?
I'm wth you...would love to get some feedback on this!
I would too
U sir are a craftsman. Thanks for the video I've been wanting to do this. Very explainable video.
Thanks! You're too kind.
So the air blows downwards? Does that not blow more particles and dust around the room? I would think blowing into the box would be better, but then you'd have dust and particulate on the motor of the fan....
I had decided to use this fan separate from this video to build an air filter as a Birthday present for my mother. This video was INVALUABLE to me and so well made. Thank you!
You are welcome!
Well thought out. I like it, Alexa is still looking for that group.
Hahaha .... thanks! Alexa.... buy me tools!
Curious as to why you chose to pull air thru the filters instead of exhausting air thru filters? The way you have it set seems to me that you are making more dust in the air with the fan facing downward instead of blowing into the filters.
I think I would rather build than buy. It’s what we do.Great job it looks amazing. Will you paint or stain later on. Thanks for sharing
With this, I'll leave it natural. Otherwise it's paint it with ceiling paint to make it less obvious handing from the ceiling
My only question is: the bearings (most likely preoiled sintered bronze sleeve type) are set up for the fan running vertically so they don't have thrust bearing built in...
But your mounting horizontally so is there going to be a accelerated wear since possibly gravity and the thrust from the blades moving air are causing thrust the fan was never designed for?
Good job. Wood the effect on the outflow from the fan change, if you pointed the exhaust up? Thank you!
No change. It doubles as a ceiling fan for me
Good build project. Easy to follow. I made one with a box fan. Yours is a much better design. I did cover the corners with black duct tape,to give a better seal. Tks
I enjoyed this… It’s nice to see folks like yourself ‘making thing work’ as a genuine hobbyist/homeowner with less than our ‘dream tools’. I’m primarily a hand tool guy, but also must work with the 10” bandsaw, a benchtop drill press, etc… I’ll be buying a 14” bandsaw this year, but that’s taken a while to save for and I’ve put plenty of thought into if it’s a need or a nice to have. I have quite a bit of money sunk into my hand tools, but take a more spartan approach otherwise; think of it as an 80/20 mindset. I enjoy taking the tool to the timber and working in the silence that it brings, the other 20% falls into things I have to do to get back to things I want to do. In my case the investment in a nice bandsaw will address safety and also open up windows into doing many things that take far too long right now (like hand resawing). So it will fall more into the 80% category. Im not sure if I adequately articulated why I appreciate your channel, but you surely did get a new subscriber with “all” checked on notifications. I’m still going to watch Shannon Rogers, Bob Roskowski, Mitch Peacock, and the like for sure, but I’m looking forward to seeing your new videos while catching up on your other videos. IMO, don’t worry about the length of the video. I appreciate thinking through it with you. 👍
Thanks for your kind words. I'll be posting a video about my 10" bandsaw later this evening that may mirror some of the stuff you are doing.
Hello again, I am about to build this same filter setup you built. I got all the stuff coming this week, my question is it’s been a year now since you built this, is there anything you don’t like about it? Is it cleaning the fine dust from the air? Is there anything you would do different? I know a lot of questions but just want to get this right the first time around. Was kind of hoping you would have done an update video to this. Also thought about making it so the fan is on the ceiling side instead of blowing out the bottom. Ty for taking the time to make this video , I just had a few questions about it.
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Enjoyed the video. I used a step bit to flatten the control pack to the board. Worked well. Thanks just about done with this project.
Nice one. For sure better than a single filter, easier on the fan motor too probably. Gonna build it
Great build and ideas!
One thing.... when you ask Alexa to do something, change what you say for the trigger word. My Alexa kept trying to turn things on and off, but I don't have what you have, so she didn't figure it out.
It was funny though!
Thank you so much! I had started gathering everything for such a project before this video and evidently don't picture designs well, so it is waiting to be done. The only difference for mine is that I all of the filters are large which will result in a monster air purifier. 🥴. I appreciate your instructions and clean video.
You are welcome!
Nicely done. I would definitely orient the fan to the top of the box however to prevent kicking up dust below and use 1/2" thick material at most to reduce weight. One could build it out of even 1/4" with some minor reinforcement if that is a serious concern, but that obviously adds complication.
Holy moly! What a nice design! Very nice work!
Ingenious ... I wouldn't mind building something like that for filtering the interior air of my home with a slightly more stylish cabinet.
Best I have seen as well and you shared plans, parts etc. Thank you
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this, nice design. I have a question though, and it has to do with something you said, and what I was thinking as you said it. You mentioned, (paraphrasing) setting the fan to low to circulate the air so you didn't blow stuff around on the floor. I wonder if having the fan exhaust directed upward instead of downward would be a better option? It's a genuine question because I just built a portable unit that more or less BRUTE FORCE collects dust but it's designed to be placed close to where I'm sanding etc. I want a unit to be more permanent, hanging from the celling. So, what are the pros and cons of directing the fan exhaust upward vs downward. I have 12 foot ceilings in my shop so it will be up pretty high I think. Thanks again - and VERY cool car by the way. :)
Awesome project! I wonder if adding weather stripping before installing the filters would seal that small gap and provide better filtration? 🤔
I cover a bit of that in the video. It would add a little bit I am sure, but even most commercial units don't use them. The clips and the suction from the fan provide a lot of seal itself. But it couldnt hurt!
one thing i reccommedn is the position of the filter/fan, to face upwards or facing out the front of the garage, because it will only filter very small particulates that are on the sides of the filters at that height, rather than below the whole system.
Congrats, you got a new subscriber. This is one of the cleanest air cleaners I've seen on youtube. Keep up the good content!
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate the feedback. More content coming soon!
super nice build, thank you for showing all the steps too, very helpful for noobs like me. I think the final result looks really good, almost too good for a fan haha, but I'm sure you could adapt the same design to other situations and have the confidence of knowing you already did a similar build once
Question: So if you weren't using it as a ceiling fan in conjunction with dust control. Would you have hung it upside-down?
Sure, depending on the about of ceiling clearance there is .
Thanks for sharing that design - I will copy that build for my shop and lungs. THANKS
I had all kinds of issues with my Kreg Track Saw like yours. After tweaking it some, I finally figured out it was the way my Mikata circular saw was mounted. Now it works pretty good. Need to finish watching your vid. I've seen several versions of these. 20" X 20" seems to be the most common. Ask This Old House has one that explains the advantages to using a 2" or 4" thick filter. That gives you more surface space. I've also been wondering if you would benefit from putting a lower MERV out the outside catching the larger particles that could be thrown away more frequently than the MERV 13. Either way, I am willing to bet my shop would benefit from one or even two of these.
this is excellent! just one curiosity: why use such thick plywood? call me cheap but i think i would have used some OSB board with lick of paint to make it easier to clean dust afterwards.
Nice! I like the simplicity, and those fans draw a lot more air than a box fan. I may have to do this myself
Indeed, I've used those circulator fans for years. A godsend when I lived in the desert and was working on my car in 105f weather. Box fans don't hold a feather to them.
@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop First, nice craftsmanship. Now I am wondering how well this works ... for example you close your doors and route MDF loading the air with particles measure how long to scrub air. Other thing I have a Jet scrubber hanging from my cieling and it has louvers to direct the air. I would be curious how you unit preforms compared to those you buy and how performance would vary with different filters and of course how long filters last. Would there be a benefit directing discharge air, for example if you could not mount it in middle of your shop.
A dirty shop is not fun to work in ... Good project.
Hi. Nice work.
What is your long term experience? Have you had to change the filters? Do you notice a real difference in just how much airborne dust that settles on all surfaces after sanding/sawing or whatever?
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I’m “Basically” going to be building this, great video. Keep these coming😉
Hahaha thanks! And yes, I know, I basically say basically alot in that video. I've gotten better in my newer videos. Thanks for watching!
@@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop it really is a great video bud, and I bet it’s alot cheaper than buying one from rockler or delta
Can you tell me how much this cost to build? I know wood prices fluctuate lately and will play a role in it but just a general idea
@@Northeast_Mainiac figure a sheet of 3/4 sanded plywood and the fan and the filters. So approx $150? But it has about 4x the filter surface area of the cheap consumer units (aka WEN model)
@@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop thanks
Thank you for your design. I'm planning to make one similar. Is there an advantage to mounting the fan blowing down vs. up?
No. I just like to use it as a ceiling fan as well.
The design is good ,i am trying to evaluate how this can be made in steel fabricated design . Did u calculate how much air is being sucked and can u use 3or 4 units in one room to extract dust from every corner easily reducing the load of sucking from far off areas
Great design layout.. nice work on layout and information provided. Thanks
Thanks!
Does it make more sense to have the fan output blowing up towards the ceiling this way the dust particles get drawn in from the bottom and the sides. With the facing down doesn't it push the dust down and have to wait for it to pull it back up into the filters?. I'm making one of these now and been going back and forth with how to orient the fan
You can make it either way. I like mine to double as a ceiling fan
I swear, you have every tool I own. Sweet
That is a very nice build and awesome video walkthrough! Thank you for sharing.
I like the low-profile design!
Thanks. That's what I was going for vs the larger box designs I have seen out there.
I want to see a video all about that car! Also, I plan to make this project. Thanks for this!
Check out some my Automotive Adventures play list on my channel. Both of my Packard have videos
I think that you might used too much screws but the design is very good indeed. I have see some other videos but this one it the one which I will use to make one for my woodworking workshop. Thanks a take an extra cup of coffee as reward for giving us those tips. 👊
Looks like a very good design. A dumb question, maybe, but since the fan is facing down will that not tend to blow dust around the shop? Would it be better to turn the design so the fan blows horizontally?
It's been discussed in the comments many times. Rotate to your preference.
Great video! This is the design I am going with adjusting for 14x20x1 filters so I can buy 6packs, 4 for the 14x24 shop and 2 for the 2200sqft house, the irony here...
Anyway, I'm excited to get on to this project!
Just started making mine. I used a 2" hole saw for the radii. Very little sawdust and by not quite going through on the first pass I was able to flip the panels and use the hole saw drill bit hole to realign the second pass. And no chip outs.
I like it! I like the alexa controlling devices idea. Will keep this in mind.
Get ideal! This is something I need to built for my shop
Thanks!
When I seen you use the Matal to secure the filters . An upgrade could be using some self secure hinges for cabinet doors. Screw the one sind into the assembly and allowing them to snap into place over the filter covers. They will last a ling time add presser and snap into place .
Another good option
Great video! But how well does it work now that you’ve put it into action?
Very well. I go through a set of filters about every month. I'm amazed at how much it pulls out of the air. I turn in on when I am painting in the garage. I started using MERV 8 filters instead of MERV 13 as the MERV 13 filters started to clog too quickly.
@@TheSuburbanGarageWorkshop thanks, Dude!
Amazing build. Thank you. (beautiful also).
Thank you!
that is the most well built designs ive seen yet, most i see use J channels, that seems more secure, do you think rubber or foam gaskets would help or the tolerance is tight enough?
This is a nice build, well thought out. I think it will outperform the WEN unit as well. I've been looking into designs to help guide what I want to do and I think this is one of the better ones I've see. Good job on this!
Thanks for the feedback! Good luck with your project!
Great vid. How often do you have to change the filters?
Depends on what the debris how much stuff I'm putting into the air. I'm amazed how black the filters get when spraying paint.
Can you change out can of it burns out? Wasn’t sure since it’s glued. Nice job!
You can skip the glue on the top panel if you want it to be removable
How well does this work? I would like to put something like this above my table saw, basically the center of my shop to collect all the fine dust.
It works like a Dickenson Orphan!
Great project. Love the outcome. Was wondering if there is any noise transfer to the ceiling from any motor vibration. In my case I have a room above the garage. I guess I would be able to replace the turn buckles with with a chain chain link and springs to kill any vibration transfer. My home air exchanger is installed with chain and springs and it is run 24/7 with non vibration transfer noise. Could be a good idea for you if you do have a room above you garage. Great content good job thanks.
This is a great project from design to finished product. The video editing is first class and the lack of music really did add a touch of classy detail that was evident throughout the production and finished product.
I was anxiously awaiting your method of mounting the air filters into place and was taken aback a bit when you chose to not use any method of sealing around the paper/cardboard filter frame.
I see the issue at hand and realize that the vacuum within the air box is going to provide a very significant sealing effect. As I pondered it further I concluded that adding typical foam type weather stripping would invite the dust into penetrating the foam and I suppose that would work out okay but in the long run it would become less effective as the dust being packed into the foam would reduce the flexibility and reduce the sealing benefit.
Upon further thought I leaned more towards a ribbed type of soft but solid plastic/rubber seal similar to what one might find on a refrigerator door where rows of soft ribs would ultimately provide the sealing effect but would not be permeated my the fine dust like a foam type of weather stripping might.
Thank you for sharing this project that is beneficial in so many different ways.
I really liked this video, thanks very much, I will be making this for my shop.👌👍
Great design. I'm thinking of copying it! Is the 20 inch fan airflow not enough, just right or too much? I'm thinking about same type of fan but 14 inch. What are your thoughts? Thanks.
I have no experience with thr 14" fan, but just as look at the rated CFM and compare it to the 20" to get an idea. Thanks!
Great video. I just built this very similar to yours. Mine was using 20 x 12 merv 13 filters for the sides and bottom, 20 x 20 for the back. This issue is that when I turn the fan on I barley feel air coming out of the front. When I remove the rear 20 x 20 filter I can then feel the air flow and I can hear the difference in the fan motor. As if it is straining with all the filters in. Will this reduce the life of the fan motor? All the filters are new.