Dust Collection System Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- In this weeks video I cover the installation and design of my new 6” thin wall PVC central dust collection system. If you want to watch me install the Clear Cue Cyclones CV1800, go to my instagram page, and click on the “dust collector” highlighted story. bit.ly/alminsta
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Clearview cyclones are great. I have had one for about 15 years. Best tool in the shop. One addition, be sure to add a magnet to your floor sweep pickup. You do not want metal parts sparking in a dust cloud. Good ideas here, thanks!
First, great video. Clear voice-over, simple camera angles, and very informative. Second, in my opinion people should start calling out the predatory companies like the one that tried to charge you triple of what another store charged you. Hell, mention them both so local folks know where to shop and where to avoid.
mounting that quick change to the wall is brilliant. No blast gate or cap needed, it never passes air until you pull it from the wall. Great idea, and I will do the same (setting up mine over the next couple weeks).
I've given a lot of thought recently to updating the layout of my shop, including the addition of better dust collection. I have the Dust Right 650 wall-mounted with just the 4" expandable hose that I swap between tools. I'm watching this almost four years to the day you posted it, and this has given me some great ideas on a direction to take. Thank you!
In my experience, if you drop straight down to each tool (as in the example above), they each act as interceptor collecting bin (you've basically built a venturi port). Dust from the farthest tool can't jump that gap and ends up pooling in the adjacent tool drop. The trick is to have at least a short horizontal section at each fork, so dust heading to the collector doesn't have to jump across any down-pipes... cause it won't! A buddy of mine, who built his as shown above, has to now run around his shop, starting from the farthest tool, and open and close each gate to get the dust to hop from one tool drop to the next on the way to the collector!
Nice job. I just finished my system... 6" main run to the center of my shop, a 6" to dual 4" y-pipe (came with my Grizzly) for sub-runs to my two main tool areas and then with blast gate controlled branches to each tool's flex hose final (4" and 2.5"). I used SDR 35 pipe and found the easiest way to cut it by drilling a small hole and using a jigsaw. SDR 35 pipe and fittings are so much cheaper than schedule 40... about half the cost. My system works great... Grizzly G0944 with an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL (6" inlet/outlet), wall mounted with easy to remove bin under the Oneida.
Great video as always.
I've cut a lot of large PVC pipe on a table saw. The easiest way is to use a sled and a stop block. Push the sled and pipe into the blade and then rotate the pipe slowly with your fingers and you get a perfect 360 degree cut.
I just finished building a 4" thin wall PVC system for my shop. Just using a 2hp HF collector, but it's a tiny shop and on a budget. Still feels awesome!
Having grown up pushing boards through table-saws with scraps, that little board pusher you have there is pretty neat.
Really nice install, and great shop layout -- wish I had that much space. I built a 4" system last year (my vacuum could never handle 6" ducting), and, all the parts came from Rockler as well (I'm lucky to have one just a few miles away).
I did find one issue with the 4" plastic blast gates, that you may or may not run into with the 6" version. On the gates that service the more heavily used equipment (table saw, universal port, chop saw) the dust would collect in the groove that the gate slides into. After a while the gate wouldn't close completely, and suction would suffer, so I'd be constantly cleaning out those grooves with a screwdriver, or awl... Finally, I replaced the plastic gates with metal, self-cleaning blast gates from Lee Valley. Pricier, but worth it to me. No more issues.
Anyway, great video... enjoy the new system.
I enjoyed this video. Well executed, no waste of time and you actually showed the results with each of your machines. I appreciate that. I am trying to figure out how to set up a dust collection system in a new shop I am having built. It's a 50x60 workshop and my first project is dust collection. This video will help me with that project. Thank you for posting and you have earned another subscriber.
I just came across your channel. I love it! I'm taking one end of one of the buildings of the dairy farm I recently bought and turning it into my woodworking shop, 36' x 36'. (A guy needs a get-away.) I have questioned my dust collection from day one. I think you just answered it. Great job. I look forward to your content.
It's Feb 2021 and I've been dealing with shortages of just about everything. I checked over a half dozen local plumbing pipe distributors and no one had 6" thin wall PVC. I finally found SDR 35 at a yard specializing in sewer and drain, mostly used for road construction. They had a great price too.
Not sure what is about this video but its so clean, precise and clear information. Very effecient! Thank you, a project I need to tackle👍🏻
12:31 The silicone tape is the real hero here and looks like it came in handy.....quite handy indeed. Fantastic for re attachment of.. separate tissues. Its properties make it effortless due to the unique way in which it adheres to the human cells. Not only is it effective and inexpensive but its also sexy. The air cleaner was great too. Thank.
We live in a world with instant messages, we watch instructions seconds on our computers from across the globe.. But dust collection.. We still live in the stone age here in Sweden with our shopvacs and the old hose-impeller bag/filter bag.. Showed my cyclone for a 2" pipe to my dad and he couldnt belive his eyes.. It was like magic..
Great build.
I worked in a dry food plant, we had metal vacuum system from Hoffman, went to PVC system then back to metal.The biggest problem was static electricity, we solved that with sheet metal screws into the vacuum stream, then attached to copper wire & grounded on conduit or metal poles. The PVC pipe got holes in it much sooner the metal pipe, that the reason we went back to metal. That may not be a problem for you, because we had truck load of salt & sand like waste that cut/ground though the pipe. You have saw dust & wood chips, but I wanted to make you aware of the potential problems. I have never worked in a wood shop with PVC systems, all I worked in had no vacuum system or they had all metal. I am building a small shop for a friend on his farm & we will look at Rockler when we do.
Ah man this is a great install I’ve been putting mine in to my basement shop with low ceilings. It would be so nice to have this much headspace for routing pipes!
Thanks for your show!
Hello my friend. One of the most important systems of the workshops is dust collection. Dust and shavings are also a big problem in my workshop. Improving the dust collection system will create a comfortable workspace for you. Thank you for the system and information. Congratulations. Good ideas. Thank you for sharing. Warm hug. Great greetings....
Your an artist/craftsman with everything you do.
Great video. I just built my own 810sqft shop for woodworking. I started with a cyclone dust collection for my shop vac. So so results. I have been think about a more polished functional dust collection system and your video has me inspired. Love the wooden brackets over metal strapping. Keep the videos coming. Subscribed.
I am so envious of your shop and this dust collection. Though I couldnt use it myself (handicapped), I know that I would if I could AND I know you are going to be very happy with it. Enjoy the extra time woodworking instead of raw cleaning!
New woodworker here.... definitely taking notes!! Nice work! Thanks for all the content!
Great job love the way you made the brackets it's like having a giant wet vac for the whole shop. Being that saw dust is flammable I would look into some fire prevention system just in case. Love you're shop.
Just installed my CV1800 over the weekend. Great unit
Your dust collection system is ideal bro. Crafted workshops recent dust collection setup is completely laughable. He spent money everywhere he could (took sponsorship) and had so many ceiling drops with expandable hose that it looked like a Slinky action zone. Yours is clean looking and it seems to work good.
To elevate the static buildup on the PVC, Buy a roll of #18 stranded bare wire and tie one end onto a tennis ball start your dust collection up then feed the tennis ball into the farthest end of your system and feed the wire as the ball travels through the system. When it come out the end at your collector tie the wire off to ground. this will drain off the static and keep your shop safe from fire.
Don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers. This video was a great watch!
Really awesome system, really satisfying to watch it come together and work. I can't wait to have something like this in my factory one day
I know you said your router table already had great DC, but you can make it even better by using an insert with a bigger hole. It won't affect the safety unless your working with really small wood
@Yo MamaWhy is that incorrect?
Great video ! Six inch is the way to go.
Original dust collector also works great with 6 inch pipes.
Plumbing supply in Belleville Ontario Canada selling one 4" by 6" reducer for $56 Canadian .
Using 10 ft flexible until I can source reasonable prices on earth.
Very satisfying to watch...
I think things getting cleaned is also satisfying to watch :)
"Leave it cleaner than you found it".
WOW....what an awesome video. I'm impressed....and I seriously appreciate your time and information.
If you want to supercharge your system, make an outside dump for your exhaust air. I did it for my 3hp cyclone system, and used 8" pipe to make an outside dump. Built it like a dryer vent, so it doesn't leak rain in, and made a 8" blast gate so I can use the filter on really cold or really hot days. Doubles your air flow when you don't use the filter. And only time it puts dust outside is if you run your barrel over. Puts that really fine dust outside so you don't have to breathe it.
Cool system have a feeling this would work great in my shop.... start saving now...
Great job buddy, not seen to many 6” main track too often....looks awesome too..😎
Great video bud. I wish I had known about that silicon tape when I did mine.
Thanks dude! Yeah that was a tip from someone on instagram, and he told me just in time. I really didn't want to foil tape it. See you at WBC?
@@MichaelAlm yeah. Come to my talk!
same
@@katzmosestools If only we knew then, what we know now... I'm guessing the conference didn't happen?
very nice install. rollin easy is hard to beat.
That looks absolutely amazing
Nice system and not sure if anyone mentioned this, but when you use PVC for dust collection, you should ground the PVC, PVC is very prone to generating a static charge when air is moving along the inside of it, along with charged particles of wood and other debris. This static can build-up to the point where it arcs to ground unexpectedly. With the right combination of materials and oxygen levels, this can cause a dust fire or an explosion to occur.
There are zero reported cases of this ever happening. This is an urban legend. At most you get a little shock when you touch the pipe.
@@chrisjohnson6482 I can confirm this is not urban legend. I do not know about USA but I have personally spoken to the electrical certification person that was part of explosion investigation. MDF dust especially is a problem. Small shops like this might get away with this but anything bigger like a 5 person shop will generate enough of static to be a potential problem. Ground it or use spiro metal tubing and groud that. I personally would use the adaptors reducers traps and go with metal spiro tubing. easy to ground no shocks fire proof.
@@majstrujeme8352 hard to say what the causing factors were in that anecdotal third party telling of a tale. You cannot ground pvc even if you wanted to. And there would need to be a concentration of fine dust that is so thick you cannot see through it for it to be dense enough to combust. Plus again there are zero reported proven cases of it ever happening. That you heard about something like it happening maybe once doesn't concretely prove anything
Then again, I am not here to tell you what to do in your own shop. If you want to wrap wire around your pvc and pretend you are "grounding" it be my guest
@@chrisjohnson6482 I would use metal round duct pipe and you are mistaking sawdust for MDF particles. It is not anecdotal. The plan is to test again in lab and possibly classify wood shops processing MDF as explosive area for electrical wiring. Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not real. I am perfectly aware that grounding PVC pipe does nothing. Unless you would completely wrap it in aluminum foil. I am not wood worker I am electrician that was at the electrical wiring safety board recert.
@@majstrujeme8352 I meant any fine dust particles. Again there have been zero substantiated cases. But you should still feel free to do whatever you want to do
if you place some small casters upside down on either side of the cut and pipe, then you can create a roller for the pipe to roll on as you cut the pipe on the saw. Makes easy work out of that .
That is looking slick! Using the silicone tape for the seams is such a good idea. It looks so clean!
Thanks Sharon! Yeah that stuff is pretty perfect. I really didn’t want to cover the pipes in foil tape 😬
Nice job. My old system used the thin wall 4” PVC pipe but I never figured the 6” would be so effective. It must be a volume thing 🧐
I’m with Katz Man…love that tape!
This is very clean and seems to have plenty of power.
Very impressive installation and great job running that pipe.
Bravo!....looks great!...love that floor collector
This was so amazing and satisfying to watch
Sweet System and Install ! What a huge improvement nice work om all the Custom brackets
Michael Alm you lucky mo 😀👍👍👍🍻 Awesome workshop and video you have made!!
impressed by the system. i am gone make it soon to my workshop. thanks for idea.
Congrats! It's awesome Michael!
Fantastic video and great timing as we’re tackling dust collection in my shop this weekend!!
Awesome! Good luck!!
Awesome video! Ive got my dust collector plumbed with the same pvc material, I’ve ran into a little problem with static electricity building up on the pipe.
I was worried about how this could possibly be a fire hazard so I thought I’d try to remedy it by drilling a small hole (3/16) or so every 8’ and installing a ground wire into the inside of the pipe about an inch or so. I then silicone the hole shut and run the other end of the wire to a grounded surface (I used metal conduit for my shop wiring so I grounded to that... works perfectly. Thanks again for all the great videos
Hows your dust build from your static electricity remedy?
tip i seen for the floor sweep is to add a large neo magnet to the front to catch any hardware that might be on the floor
Outstanding video. Very informative. Thank you.
Real nice review and video my friend! Thanks for sharing. BTW, great looking setup for that dust collector too!
Looks so amazing and love the sweeping port
Yes, the sweeping port is the slickest part of the system, IMO.
Congratulations Michael. It looks great. I'm not going to preach on grounding since many others have. I have three comments. First, were 90 degree sweep elbows available? They would have been better. Second, Rockler has a dust chute for the router table when cutting dadoes. Third, it would have been easier to glue the boards together before cutting when making the supports. Thanks for indulging me.
and how would you propose separating the plywood once they're all cut out?
@@bs838 Only glue two groups of two together and leave the middle unglued. That way groups of two will be cut out.
Excellent video and process. You must love it when a plan comes together. Thanks for sharing. I will add this project to my wish list.
Excellent video and great ideas many of which I will use for my shop vacuum system!
Michael, Well done!! I know this is just minutia, but you did a good job using good grammar. No one pays attention to that any more, but you do....thank you. Also, I liked your background music, not heavy metal, or rock. I want to pay attention to what you are doing and saying without distracting background music...thank you. Thanks for the details. :-)
Looks like it all turned out fantastic. I was watching to the end to see if you would have enough velocity with 6" drops but you have enough cfm that it worked out great. For others adding piping like this make sure the piping is sized for the cfm, for dust collection you need enough velocity to keep the dust and chips airborne and not have them drop out and start clogging the duct. The length of the duct along with every turn and the amount of vertical rise all reduce system capacity so calculate before shelling out for parts!
Yeah, I followed the suggestions from ClearVue an I seemed to be well within spec, but this is very good advice. Thanks!
The ClearVue system uses the larger 5Hp motor and 15" or 16" impeller. This is all based on the research that Bill Pentz has done over the years.
I like the brackets you made much more then the ghetto nylon strapping I used with my clearvue ducting
Nice work, it looks super; I got the clearvue max with 8" outlet, I couldn't be happier, that thing works just like the 30K big monster I use to have outside of one of my past shops; people chime in about the static, there might be some truth to it, I never had an issue, one time my guys forgot to empty the drum and it backed up into the filter it was that much stuff in it, never burst into flames or exploded like some claim it might, I did pay the 1000+ for all the piping with thicker walls, I had the experience in my other setups to have the thin wall vibrate somewhat so I went with the thicker material, pretty pricy, especially once you climb to 8" diameter in pipe and some elbows until you drop to 6" and 4";
I also caged my cyclone for noise purpose, very minimal noise to deal with;
I got quite a lot of stuff attached to it, the favorite is my back to back 5Hp rip saw and 3Hp dedicated dado station, both sawstop units, I love those things, I was a powermatic diehard for a long time, still have a bunch of them but the saws, switched to sawstop saws, piece of mind for me when I have my guys working on them, not the the rest of the tools are not as dangerous, I guess is just a mental thing.
Congratulation on your setup, very nicely done.
Dan
Thanks Dan! Sounds like a heck of a setup you have!!
@@MichaelAlm you are correct my friend, and wouldn't give it for nothing in the world, lol.
Excellent job. Work great and look awesome!
Here's my 2cents of advice for cutting any plastic pipes, use angle grinder . World like charm and the burrs will come off easily. Works well with plexiglass too. At least with what I've tried. Cheers
Dude, you had a little General dust collector. Haha. It’s to bad they when out of business. They use to be the go to for us north of the boarder. What a HUGE upgrade. Looks great.
I was curious what happened to General. I haven’t seen the brand for a bit, so that makes sense. Thanks dude! See you at WBC 🙌
Michael Alm For sure! See you in less than a month! It’s coming up quickly
Nice looking system. Only issues I have is those gates. They are prone to collecting dust and chips and will sooner or later block up making the gate not shut correctly.
Also static is a big thing to think about.
For reference, the type of pipe and fittings are commonly referred as "Sewer & Drain" pipe and fittings. The pipe is also called Thin Wall as it is much thinner than Schedule 40 pipe that is used in house drain pipes. The fittings are much less expensive than Schedule 40 fittings.
Nicely done Michael 👍 Very functional too 😃
It makes it look like you have a little shop for your dust collection system, all you see is the huge pvc tubing, not there's anything wrong with that, it was just my first impression when I saw the picture of your shop......wow, that's a lot of huge pvc pipe.
I dont have plans for dust collection but this was pretty cool to see. Nice job on the video bud. I dig the VO
Thanks dude!
Aha, for once I can add a suggestion. When cutting pvc piping on the tablesaw, set it in place and roll the pipe instead of sliding the sled. BTW, the system looks great, really nice set up.
Thanks!
Dude, I would wish that have system here in Brazil. awesome. congratulation.
Nice system and setup.
That's a great setup. The shop is looking great!
Thank you!
Nice system.
If wood working doesn't pan out, u can always get a job as a plumber. :)
dude this is clean AF! good job and thanks for sharing!
I find that an oscillating tool cuts through the PVC very nicely. I don't like cutting round things on my saw.
Very nice shop you have there.
The sound of the fan is satisfying XD
Great system. I wish I had the room for such a tall unit. I found for my bandsaw and drill press flexible drain pipe is great for getting the dust on the surface. I actually got one in silver instead of white for $5.00 on eBay. I made some homemade clamps to hold it in place and on the end that is closest to the workpiece is a small rectangle port that actually came with a vacuum cleaner. They do sell them though at Rockler if that is your go-to place.
It's cool seeing the finished product after watching the IG stories. Also, kudos on the video production. Very well done.
Thanks Mike!
That cyclone system is very nice! I had the same issue on my sander, I just have a 4" blast gate that rests on top of the dust port and it collects pretty much all the dust.
Thanks! Good to know! I’m going to have to do that
@@MichaelAlm have you guys seen Colin Knecht's (WoodWorkWeb) dust collection upgrade for the oscillating spindle/belt sander?
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Great review/system build. I’ve been brainstorming on how to set up something for my garage. I like this set up a lot. Thanks for sharing.
Cut that pipe on a wood v-block jig clamped on the table saw. Cut into the bottom of the V just a bit more than the pipe thickness. Now just set the pipe onto the blade and rotate it. Totally safe and no grabbing/jumping on the pipe. One more really secret tip. Replace most bend fittings by capping both ends of the pipe and duct taping them on, or use rubber oatley type end caps [cheap up to 8"] now, outside with a friend heat the bend area with a propane weed burner torch. Sweep the torch around to heat the air inside the pipe. The air expands and you can make a bend with NO crimping or collapsing. I do this with 8" schedule 80 [Yellowmine commercial heavy PVC] and can make a 45' bend in just a few minutes. The wall thickness is over 1/4". Be careful loosening the ends! They can end up 500' away or embedded in your face.
Great video. Informative without allot of fluff. Well shot, not too loud or too long for the content covered.
Great narrative on your installation. 👍🏻👍🏻
Just thought I’d share my experience. My system has 4” pipes and 4” blast gates like yours......I found out very quickly that those blast gates very often got clogged up in the back corners and so would not shut fully.....for weeks I put up with using a bent piece of wire that I would wangle into the rear corners to try and pry/flick out the offending offcuts/packed sawdust. The only way I got to a final solution was through complete frustration in having to regularly clean one or two out at a time. I ended up carefully breaking every one of them apart (I have 10)......looked like hot glue bonding......and simply chamfered the 90 degree back corners of the moving/closure plate (ie from 90 to 45). Hot glue and mastic them back together and, touch wood, years later I rarely get an issue. It seems that by having square corners on the closure plate allowed small particles to settle, followed, in time, by my more small particles etc etc. All would then end up getting packed into the corners when the gates were opened and closed which then stopped the plate from fully closing, reducing suction everywhere else. The chamfering seems to provide enough extra space to allow any small particles to be sucked away before any serious packing takes place. The chamfering obviously isn’t large enough to compromise the complete closing of the pipe area. Works well now.
Good to know, Thank you!!
Drill a 1/4" hole with a steel bit at the corners of the plate it will still seal up and the sawdust falls out of the holes. You don't have to take the blast gates apart. Just a quick drill and your set.
MarkJonesRanger Drilling holes won’t reseal when the gate is open. How can they? And even if they did you’d still be left with the original packing problem when they did...ok, it would be easier to clear but not an effective CURE. As you may be aware, any leaks reduce the effectiveness of the whole system and if you have long runs (like mine) it’s very noticeable. The dismantling of each gate (in my experience anyway) was surprisingly easy as they ‘popped’ open by using a small flat blade screwdriver . Hot glue or mastic resealed them very well.
Just open the slide before you drill it seals up when it's closed. Works great. No need to reseal stuff at all.
I saw this on a link several years ago. It works great. I am sorry I didn't make it clear to open the gate before you drill the holes in the two corners where the sliding gate pushes the dust to. I had no more gate issues after doing this. Didn't even have to take them off the tools just a quick fix on each machine.
Making jigs for the tools I have learned to give that dust a way to get out and this fixes those gates. Before I did this they were swelling and wouldn't close. I looked for the guy that had the original idea for a bit but didn't' find them. I modified my first gate to make sure it worked and then quickly did it to the rest of them.
Magnificent, BRAVO CLAP CLAP CLAP!!! good work mate. Im building mine now
This is terrific, your shop and work is an inspiration. Here's a little experience talking regarding dust collection. A friend of mine recently set his CNC on fire with a PVC dust collection system.... You might want to install some kind of grounding cable lining the PVC tubing. Metal tubing grounds nicely, PVC can be problematic with certain dusts over distance. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing!
Randomly came across this video. Well done! Love the humor, and the reccomendations!
Nice sistem mate, but You have to protect the tubes against the STATIC charge, because its made from PVC and You can make a huge FIRE with it.
László Bányay I’m surprised more people aren’t mentioning this.
This is not necessarily true. In order to generate the dust/air ratio you would need for any concern, you would have to generate more saw dust than almost any single woodworking machine could create. There is no known instance of any instance of a dust collection system in a small to medium shop creating a fire or explosion.
Steve Costello seems like it would be better to be safe than sorry. Especially when it’s so easy and inexpensive.
Don't think I didn't see you use your drill battery for a hammer. That's a big no no, only I am allowed to do that. Very Nice Video!
Funny!!! Me too...
Excellent, especially the tape.
it's time for me to upgrade my dust collection too!
I have no idea about any of this, but I enjoyed watching the video!
so relaxing laying pipe!
Awesome video, liked the designs a lot. Would recommend adding a ground cable to be screwed in so that it discharges the system for safety, but really like how you organized it all
DIY upgrade for sander could be a hood to help with dust directional control