How to control your dust collection with an Arduino (it's easy) | I Like To Make Stuff
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- Check out how I used an Arduino, 6 servos, and a keypad to automate all of my blast gates in my dust collection system.
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I Like To Make Stuff I have been watching a lot of the other woodworking and similar channels for years now and have just discovered you the other day. I just finished watching all of your videos/ podcasts on this channel. Even though I cannot afford anymore time, I am your new subscriber. Thank you Bob.
Maxwell Goodacre Awesome! Glad to have you!
Maybe I'm in the minority but I love shop videos. I love seeing how other people set up and organize things. This video and your dust collection video have inspired me to set up my own system at home. Can't wait to get started!
Jim Merullo ，
I love seeing shop videos too his shop is one of my main inspirations for my shop
This is great! One of my favorite videos of yours. Be prepared for tons of questions from the woodworking community!
Thanks man! I really wasn't sure if this video would work very well, or be interesting to a lot of people. I'd love questions from people, that's why I'm doing this!
Loved the message at the end of the Project. It was you and the Drunken Woodworker you convinced me to jump into Arduino. Looking to use it for a special project you will all see over the summer!
thanks again!
That's so cool, sir! While I was watching the video I kept thinking "how he's gonna attach the servos ends to those valves" and your solution with the wire was great! Simple and effective! Congrats!
Thanks!
This is perfect for small industries where dust collector are needed. Congratulations!
As the years passed by, I improved on the original design by a lot.
I have designed print in place valves that plug into the rigid piping that I use, have custom designed addressable servo controllers on a bus wire combined with power sensors at the tools, that not only turn on an off the collection vaccum, but also automatically open the correct vales(single, multiple ect...)
Thanks for the original idea 💡
I've watched this many times before but I really love the zooming in and out that you do with your video when you're talking. After playing around with my video editing software, I stumbled upon how to do this and so I plan on incorporating some of those into my my video editing. I've also referred several others to your channel on how to set up a home made dust collection system using a shop vac and plan on making one as soon as I acquire all the pieces.
+Joshua Luther Yeah, it's a great way to hide cuts when you make a mistake - much more fluid looking than just a plain cut. Have fun editing, and which software do you use?
This is a great project! It's not overly-complicated, and any maker needs this in their workshop. Just subscribed
I've been meaning to research arduinos to automate the valves in my brewing system, but had always been discouraged thinking it would be too tricky. You've made it look real simple. Thanks!!
This opens up such a world of possibilities that is accessible to most any of us.
Nice work Bob. Thanks for all your hard work.
I just realized how old this video is. Still holds up great. Idea for enhancement - somebody on reddit was talking about having vibration sensors on his tools to open and close blast gates and turn the vacuum on and off. I'm gonna try this myself. It would still use Arduino (or nowadays ESP32 lol) with the switches as a backup.
Man, the wifey and the baby are going to texas for 2 weeks and one of my plans while they're gone is to build a dust collection system like this. I had a manual idea, but this is way too slick to pass up. Thanks!!!!!
Very interesting approach to a problem I'm working on now. I did not know about the Adwino controller. I'm using TTL logic driving air cylinder driven blast gates. Your presentation was very inspiring and I'm tickled to hear than more videos about automation are coming.
This is a great video! I'm coming more from the other side, programmer by profession and getting into woodworking, its awesome seeing these things combine with great effect, this is right up my alley :D
Awesome project, bob! The only thing that i would change is putting the button for the blast gate on the machine that the blast gate is connected to. That way, you wouldn't have to memorize what every button does. Of course, you would have to use much more wire, but i think it would also look cleaner, especially if you routed the wires behind the tubing. Again, awesome project, they always amaze me!
This is such a great idea. In my shop I bought an I-socket switch that turns the vacuum on when the tool is turned on, but I still have to open the blast gate. I think it would be really cool if you could try and make a system that would open a specific blast gate and turn on the vac when you turn on a tool. That would save quite a bit of time and effort. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for getting the gears turning. Thinking of doing something similar with current sensing at the tool and a relay to the dust collector. Even add in a 5 second delay on dust collection shutoff.
This is great! I'm going to try it in my shop too. I saw a lot of comments about using it to 'detect the tool you are using at the time.' I think that's an interesting idea, though I think I would rather allow it to turn on and off the power to a particular tool, and be able to control turning on and off the dust collection system. I think what I can do is add a switch and relay at each tool, and at the outlet (or a relay controlled power strip I haven't decided yet) when the switch is flipped at the tool the arduino will detect the change in state, reconfigure the dust collection route, turn on the shop vac, and turn on power to the tool. NOTE* does not turn the tool on, only allows power to flow to the tool.
+michael harrison This is awesome, then you can just turn the tool on and off as a toggle, so you can reposition pieces of material.
You are the definition of a maker (in my book). Excellent!
now i want to find $100 to automate all kinds of things... got me thinking!
Nice project, Bob! I would even go a step further, and tie the dust collection's motor in. With a few little addons you could monitor the current draw on each of the power tool outlets, and turn the dust collector on, when you start a tool up, next to automatically choosing the right blastgate to open. Also you can than turn of the dust collector, once you stop the last tool (with additional a few minutes for tools like a miter saw, that get stopped/started quite often when making repeated cuts)
Andre Klärner yup, i definitely have more plans.. but too much in one video wouldnt be good for most viewers
Definately. There are btw. also other projects beside Arduino which make a nice impression for solderless projects. I really like Tinkerforge (www.tinkerforge.com/en/ ) as they allow really nice prototyping and writing code that isn't so static like C. I use it to monitor room temperatures and the temp/humidity of our terrarium and plan on replacing the annoying timers for the terrarium lights. Also it drives all my room lights so I can be lazy and turn the room's light off by smartphone.. ;)
Very nice, Bob. Looks like a great way to get people thinking about projects like this.
what about using current transformers to determine what tool you are using and automagically set your gates?
I think a keypad is enough..
Calvin K rekt
predicting the future xD
Great vid !
jimmydiresta Thanks Jimmy!
I keep coming back to this video. I would really love to see an update that adds current sensors to the setup to make the whole thing work when you start a tool up. And hey, while we're at it, a relay to control the vacuum.
Sweet video Bob. Love your channel so straight forward, clear and easy to understand. Gotta give it to you, super handy man AND an electrical man? Kudos.
Thanks!
Just building my first full shop dust collection system, and then I see this! LOL Now I want to add this to my system. Gret video and great concept. :)
Thanks, you are opening a whole new world for many of us, me included, with the Arduino . I am surprised the servos have enough power to operate the blast gates.Liked and subscribed; looking forward to more from you.Bill
you have made me want to look into arduino and other stuff , i like this stuff. im studying computer engineer and this is pretty useful and fun ty.
Nice automation idea!
Hey Bob, I only had one thought while watching this and, pardon my French, that thought was "fucking awesome!" I'm a web developer by day and I use automation tools like Grunt and Gulp to help me do mundane tasks as well as builds for my code to prepare it for deployment to production servers. Seeing stuff like this in my hobby gets me really excited and has my mind going wild. Keep up the fantastic work my friend,
Matt Przybylski Thanks Matt! I'm a front end dev by day actually, so I'm right there with you :)
Nice! What language(s) are you using mostly? I'm a JavaScript guy and getting a bit more into Node. I hope to do some Python in the future but I've just got too many other interests and a growing family to be able to code as much as I used to.
Currently php & js, but I've been through lots of languages and frameworks over the years.
you're right, I do not care about the dust collecting part but the automation is really cool. nice video. :)
Ok that's just cool! Slick work Bob.. how much torque do thin those servos can handle?
Thanks Izzy! I'm not sure the actual measurement, but they're plenty powerful enough for these gates. I considered getting the high torque servos, but actually didn't need to after all. I think iff I'd stayed with the plastic blast gates, the friction they cause might have needed more torque, but the aluminum ones are pretty low friction.
Alternatively, you could have used a sensor on the machine side of each units mains switch. it would mean two more wires to each machine, but you could use an optocoupled signal to make the micro automatically open the gate when the machine is turned on. You could go one step further and put the vacuum on a micro driven relay so that turns automatically too. All of it perhaps with an off delay for line clearing.
That would be real automation, not triggered by a button (control only)
Yeah, automation is kinda my thing, so its hard for me to view problems through another lens. If heaven exists it's chorus is composed of relay clicks. lol
@@AtlasReburdened i could use your help for a weekend , l0l
@hydeph Well, feel free to ask any questions you have.
@@hydeph do you have any code to do this for a new coder that has no idea how to do it. I can build anything. Just not a clue on code or computers
Hey Bob, I would suggest an improvement...you could make it in a way that as soon as any of your saws turns on, the dust pump turns on and the respective gates open automatically. You can realize it by putting a vibration sensor on each one of your saws, and as soon as there is vibration caused by the specific saw being turned on, Arduino will turn the dust pump on. The sensor that detects the largest vibration of all the saws will open only the gates of that very saw, and turn it off as the vibration stops.
I really enjoy your videos Bob. Keep up the good work!
I'm sure someone else mentioned this before, but I would like to challenge you to even take that automation project one step further... wouldn't it be really cool if the system would automatically turn on the shop vac and open the correct gate whenever you use one of your tools?
I think the biggest challenge there would be how to inform the arduino that a certain tool is active. I can think of a couple of ways to do that but I'd like to see what you come up with.
Cheers and keep up the good work, I've been learning a lot from you.
This is really crazy, but I was just thinking earlier today how I wanted to get more into electrical work, wiring, and all that because it's really interesting to me but I don't have a single clue how to do any of it or what any of the equipment is. But I do my own woodworking and was looking up ideas for my dust collection system and happened to fall onto this video. I'm going to take it as a sign, so if you have any advice as to where I can start, anything helps! I will be looking into the Arduino though for sure! Thanks so much for this!
You could probably code the Arduino to only open or close one servo at a time, that'll greatly reduce the power needed. Use a for/next loop to address each servo in turn.
If you play around with the servo arm lengths and linkage arms, you can get the blast gates to open all the way. Make the servo arms half the length of the diameter of the blast gate hole, and have the servos open and close through 180 degrees.
Good luck! :-)
azayles You definitely could control them individually, but I did it this way on purpose. When I open one, I need to make sure that all others are closed, but I can't see them all in my shop. This forces them closed except for the one I need open at that moment. As far as them opening and closing, as I've said elsewhere, the 3/4 open state is a condition of the gates, not the servos. They have a little dimple built in to the gate that stops it at about 3/4 open. Not sure why they did that, seems like a bad design.
Indeed, open one, then close the others, but one at a time. That way the initial surge current is much lower. You're not moving several servos at once.
That's a shame the gates don't open fully, didn't realise that :( I wonder if you can drill out the little dimple? Just rely on the locus of the servo arm to stop the gate popping out completely.
azayles Yeah, you could drill it out, then cover the hole, but honestly, the current amount of opening seems to work fine for now. I haven't had any problems with enough suction. Changing the gate position would surely make it BETTER, but it's currently not bad. I do have several upgrades planned, so maybe I'll add that to the list.
I Like To Make Stuff If you are getting the power from the arduino it would be ideal to use the one at a time method so you dont stress your arduino. But if you are using a separate power supply for the servos you will get a higher power and speed from them. Which i highly recommend doing. Plus there is less strain on your arduino and you can safely use your current method of all at once.
azayles I was thinking the same thing while watching the video. The arms could be extended with a piece of wire woven through the holes in the plastic and a small loop could be made at the end of the extension with a pair of needle-nose pliers. There's a tradeoff between length of travel and torque, but if the gates slide easily, there shouldn't be a problem.
I was going to do the same thing here but saw your awesome video! But just pushing buttons does not make for an automated system. Many Smart plugs now a days, monitor their power being used from them. So if one would connect these power sensor smart pugs to each tool that has dust collector and also to the shop vac, anytime you turn on a shop tool it would sense power being drawn from it and then open up its blast gate. And then turn on the shop vac. And once you turn off the tool, the vacuum would also turns off.
I will probably never do this since I am not really interested in carpentry (well at least now, duh), but this is a really good example of what you can do with rpi/arduino and whatever else is out here I've never heard about :)
I'm pretty sure I could make such system myself (at least programming part to control I/O) even though I've never worked on this "low level" like this where you directly control hardware using software, since I am kinda "programmer" myself and have done a lot more complicated stuff so I hope more people will get into programming because of this video. Or at least will try to make something cool.
PLEASE do more videos combining automation and arduinos. Love the videos. Thanks!
Great video. Discussed exactly my "fear" of coding/electrical engineering, and also got me real interested in the arduino. That's a sub from me! Eager to see more vids - will peruse the channel now
yes..we want to see more projects like this.we love arduino and we love using it!
Hey Bob love this video. I have been wanting to get an Arduino for a while now. You have inspired me yet again. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Phil!!
This is a great video and awesome application for arduino! The possibilites for using this tech is endless in a grage workshop.
What a great video! I'm just building my new workshop and I was wondering how I was going to manage dust collection. Thanks.
i've been thinking about starting to experiment with programming hardware (for example a raspberry pi, although at the moment i have no clue about any of this). so this video is a nice motivation to get started. thanks!
Great! Go for it, it's pretty awesome!
Thanks for posting this.
I am just setting up my dust extraction and intended to automate it as much as possible.
Jmz
I have just started learning about the arduino and I love this video. I don't know anything about programming except an html class I took in 2002. I love your idea about using a micro processor for venetian blinds. could you do a video on how you might tie in your home wiring to the arduino and control your blinds, ceiling fan, and light switch from one control station?
Fantastic idea! Now you just need to connect it to the shop vac somehow and you're golden!! This just might get me into arduino, I have been frightened of it even being a computer tech myself...
hey bob i watched this video way back when, i really don't remember when but i really like this kind of video this video is the reason i subscribed to your channel. i think you should make more innovative videos like this
especially innovative things for your wood shop
Very nice Bob. As for the venetian blinds idea, combine it with a light sensor module (~$10) and you can ditch the keypad entirely by having it automatically adjust your blinds ;) I did that for adjusting my PC monitor brightness levels, which was fine until the cat tried to eat the tiny sensor.
Very awesome! I like the fact that you are stepping into technology a bit. Great video thank you!!
I just found your channel and this vid is AWESOME, ordering the parts for this project now! thanks man!!
That is just the coolest thing I've seen in a long time! I wish you would have gone over the code. I am very fascinated by this type of stuff, but the programming is terrifying to me, and I don't really feel like diving into it for that reason.
***** Yeah, I understand that it can be intimidating. Check out arduino.cc they have tons of tutorials and sample code. It's really not as scary as you imagine, I promise :) Also, in the case of this project, 80-90% of the code is copied out of their examples, then I added a bit here and there to take the input and send it to the servo. Don't be scared of it, just take a look and you may find out that you love it! (or at least can get through it easier than you expected) Good luck!!
Great video; thank you for taking the time to explain it in simple terms. One question, I noticed the blast gate did not open all the way, wouldn't that restrict the airflow?
Neat project. Bob has WAY too many neat ideas for a normal guy. I think Bob is from the future.
+ranzamaceanruig Shhhh.. you're gonna blow my cover.
Super cool man, I love how you're adding technology into your builds keep up the awesome work
Jacob Nelson Thanks!
Love it Bob. Just my kind of project!
Perhaps an upgrade down the line could be installing current sensors to detect when you turn a particular tool on. Then use those signals to drive the servos for true automation. :) The only downside would be less use for that sweet keypad. :)
Geeksmithing Yeah, I'd considered that, but it turns into a bigger project :) I'd need to handle turning on the vac as well. Totally doable, but one step at a time :)
I completely agree. This is definitely less intimidating for newcomers to the platform. The beauty of arduino lies in it's modularity. :)
Great idea and well illustrated, though I'm concerned your servos will wear out a lot quicker than you might expect.
If there's any load on the servo while holding the gates open or closed, that load will be consistently placed on whatever teeth are always used when the gate is open or closed. This makes those few teeth much more likely to break. And they do break - I've had countless cheap servos lose teeth over less significant loads (like balsa elevators on tiny RC planes).
I'd recommend using standard size metal gear servos if you want to reduce servo replacement costs. They cost more, but maybe not as much as two cheapo plastic gear servos. Find the highest torque for the cheap price and you should be fine. You don't need speed here, but torque cannot hurt.
Ideally, the servo should only have to work hard when change from open or closed. When it has the gate open or closed, its job should be done until its time to change the gate again.
A better engineer than I would be able to sketch up some linkages that would "lock" into place, relieving the servo once a gate was open. When changing from open or closed, the servo could unlock the linkages, locking them again once the open/close state transition was complete.
finally an actual practical project with arduino
Dude- genius. Wait I can automate "anything in the house"!!!!
this is so funny - for the past month or so I've been thinking about how best to do this myself. Being already very familiar with the arduino and having just recently installed a dust collection system in my shop, I wanted to figure out a good way to automate it. I was considering using pneumatic actuators but now I have to add servos to the list of possibilities. I'm sure one of them will end up in use very soon. Thanks for the great idea!
djjoshuad I'd love to see what you come up with !
What are u F'n Maguiver???
Love your channel man!
Yours and Diy creators are my fav.
Hope to see u both work together on a project of some kind.
i think you can create anything you want. its amazing
Nice work, Bob! This might be what I needed to finally put my dust collection system in! If/when I do it, I'll post a video! :)
Very cool! I will have to try the window blinds idea.. a lot of them in our house and it'd be cool to somehow rig something up
Very vel done, i been thinking about using the arduino too set the hight on my router table. I had an idea for your system, if you hook up each button on your power tool too the arduino, so it opened the blast gate on the current tool you are using, and then close it again 20 seconds after you stop using the tool. And also hook up a relay that start the vacum cleaner when a power tool is running. Anyway it was a awsome and creativ way on the blast gates.
Sorry for my lack of english skill but i hope you understand what i mean.
Best regards
Really cool! I'm gonna check out the micro controller. Keep it up Bob.
This is pretty sweet. Now you just need to get a relay unit and automate the vac to switch on and off when needed :)
ace. two questions though... 1- how did the Ardweno cope with all the dust in the shop? 2- is soldering wire strong enough to maintain shape to activate the gate?? love your vids. keep em coming!!!
Loved the project. Hope you keep making cool projects like this one.
Interesting idea, I would have coded it a bit different. What if you want 2 of the blast gates open? With your current code you couldn't do that. A simple way to do it would have been to just have the door open, and not effect any of the others when you pressed a number. You could still have the close all button and then just open whatever ones you want and then just close all when you were done.
More please! Great topic! Love the idea of combining woodworking and electronics.
Maybe go one step further and throw in the Android, iPhone, or web app, so that you can take your "control pad" with you from tool to tool around your shop.
Nice project! One bit of advice, it's a good idea to put some capacitors on the power rails, especially if they're long. The servos will have wildly varying current draws and without a cap to buffer, you're going to tend to get voltage sags that might cause erratic behavior.
Dan Heidel Good call!
Great video Bob. Really like your project and the outcome. Very inspiring.
Very nicely done Bob. Another great video.
Thanks for keeping it simple enough to follow. Appreciate it.
Very awesome! As a software programmer I've always wanted to carry it over to working with hardware. Thanks for the introduction and realizing the possibilities I Like To Make Stuff ! Please make more vids like this :)
Very cool, great video. I will have to keep this in mind if I ever get a dust collection system.
Thanks for the video. Are you still happy with the DIY dust collection you made? All the best!
Very awesome video...and please keep the woodworking/circuit videos coming! I would like to learn more about the Arduino. I have done quite a bit of watching regarding it, but never actually played with one. To be honest, the only thing that intimidates me, or makes me not want to get one, IS the programming. Basic controls seem to get complicated when it comes to programming. Anyways, I'm sure I could get it, and maybe this can get me started.
wow! this is the best video I have seen since 2013
I love the video and the process. I just started out so I'm going to try to use that idea to open my blinds in the morning
Great video Bob, you do have a way of simplifying projects. thanks for sharing.
Just your videos thats very inspiring for a real beginner.
This was a great video! Keep making Arduino vids! You are great at this!
very cool Bob
thanks for making this--very cool! Have you thought about adding a microphone to this system to turn on the shop vac when a tool comes on?
Super cool Bob. Thinking hard on how I can apply this at my place. Looking forward to you upcoming coding/arduino vids.
This is fantastic. And I'm finally getting ready to install mine.
That was awesome. Perfect amount of detail.
You could add an power tail to the sweeper to further automate this system.
Amazing Bob! I'd love to see more of this! Great, just great!
Joseph Davis Thanks! Good to hear!
I have a raspberry pi and an arduino, I really recommend them they are great!
OK, I admit it....that's BRILLIANT!
Sweet. I know what I'll be doing after I get dust collection now. Thanks for the info!
Thank you for sharing this project! I would definitely like to see more videos like this one.
Great content Bob, really interesting, thanks for sharing and keep these kind of videos coming!
Great project! I have a large home workshop, and I wonder if instead of a keypad that you used, could it be controlled with a wireless remote controller?