Elementary OS is where I started my distro-hoppin' journey. The user-friendly distros like this play an important role luring in Windows/Mac users alike. Looks super approachable at a first glance.
I am using Elementary OS8 as my daily driver. Took me under an hour to get up and running for my work flow and everything works really well. No bugs, no lagging and just a well built operating system. All the little changes such as update on restart for system updates and the need tk not have to restart for applications updates is another nice little feature. Themes are simple but nice, this system keeps out the way allowing you to just work without interruptions. I think what would be nice is if they focused future versions on Debian alone as Ubuntu based I feel is no needed especially with the move to flatpaks and snaps not being used.
No wonder when they tell people who disagree with their radical political views to not use the distro. It's not a good approach to make it all about politics.
Here's a possible reason. When you try to download the iso from elementary's website, there's no download link, only a "Purchase" button. Sure, you can click "Custom", type "$0" and download away. But, since the distro is aimed at less tech-savvy people, who know little to nothing about Linux distros, my guess is they're just going to say, "I'm not paying $10 just to try this out, when there's so many free options," close the tab, and go download Mint, Ubuntu, or Hannah Montana Linux.
@@GoolagThemTube Free software, including Linux, is generally rooted in the principles of freedom, openness, and inclusivity. Forbidding people with opposing political ideologies from using your Linux distribution could be considered authoritarian and discriminatory, which aligns with certain characteristics of fascism. Needless to say, fascism = not good.
Uh, can someone bring me up to speed on why so many hate this distro here in the comments? I checked out the website and the only thing I could find that could tick people off is that you have to pay for the OS (I think? I only took a glance so I'm not sure). I'm genuinely curious as to why.
@@josephines.youtube You can just put 0 as amount and download the iso. It's just buggy all the time. Not stable at all. The other thing is now it seems it's gay to use elementary os. If you hate to be gay, you're a fascist. 😂
They committed the horrifying crime of having some left-wing stances, so it is stigmatized amongst right-wing individuals who are the majority in this comment session.
You don't have to - you can put 0 in the custom box and download it for free. Also, don't be surprised if some of that "hate" is because the maintainer of the distro is a trans woman. People coming out as trans seems to bother some folks.
@@peterrjg6843People coming out as neurotic cultural Marxists is what bothers some folks. Very few ppl care if someone is trans. The maintainer is a lunatic.
@@deusexaethera the keys are extremely separated and in a weird angle, super+q or super+del are way better options and make more sense (quit or delete window)
I think the reason for them to set the "close window" hotkey to alt+f4 is because Windows have had that shortcut for over 30 years. same with ctrl+c. Maybe not the best hotkey combo but many people know it :)
I literally attempted to install Elementary OS 8 directly on my Lenovo Thinkpad T480 and the installer displays an error message stating that the install process failed due to a hardware error. Now keep in mind that I have successfully installed and used no less than 6 different distros on this laptop over the years without ANY issues. In fact, I'm currently using the latest version of Solus installed on it. Elementary has never been a good choice for me and v8 is no different.
Regardless of my political view, I AM entitled to use WHATEVER I want to use. It's like not letting yourself breathe air because the people who have different perspectives also breathe the same air as you do. The developers have NOTHING to do with their user's opinions.
@@PC4USE1Do you find it difficult to think for yourself (and make up your own mind about things?), because that's certainly the message that your post seems to be broadcasting, here🤔🙃?
@@HAL9010-sv1ghHe did think for himself and made up his mind. Should everyone be required to do 100% of their research completely independently? If so, what're you doing on this video?
what's the deal when there are `apt` packages as well as `flatpak` packages? Do you then have to update each individually? i.e. `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` AND `flatpak update`? Are there other packages that need to be updated in other ways as well?
I always loved elementary, it's one of the only distros which doesn't look hideous The unjustified toxicity elementary distro started receiving after Foré came out clearly reflects why Linux is not and will never make it in the desktop scene
This looks amazing. I thought that the only thing elementary OS has to offer is that it looks like MasOS. But I'm honestly surprised by how newbie friendly it is. I might start recommending it to newbies instead of linux mint.
I don't think many people who are on Linux Mint would give it up for this. Linux Mint has everything for the new users. This desktop doesn't have very much at all.
I don't think that Elementary OS is the one to use. At least not for new users. I did try it but the Pantheon desktop is not very user friendly. Many of the basic features that should be there are not there. Such as no icons on the desktop and no minimize or maximize buttons on windows. The Pantheon desktop which Elementary OS is based doesn't support it. The software center is not very good either. There was very few software in it and many features of the desktop are locked down. So you cannot customize or do many of the things you can on other desktops. So I would give this desktop a miss.
@@tinyrandomthings Sure. This is what I think: 1. There's a lot of empty space in the top panel. Why don't we put icons in the dock there? 2. If the dock doesn't take the whole screen width, the areas that the dock doesn't use can't almost be used for anything: if some window uses those areas, it will make the dock disappear. To me, waybar and KDE Plasma panel are the best: we can put a lot of things in waybar and they are css-styled; KDE Plasma has a lot of widgets that can be put in its panel.
It's unfortunate. I was interested about this Linux distribution because it seems to have an interesting design philosophy and I was ready to explore it, however I wouldn't feel comfortable using a product whose creators explicitly say that they don't want certain people using their project simply because they disagree with certain political ideas. Whether or not I agree with those ideas isn't the point, but I don't want to use a project that openly discriminates against people simply because they think differently, this would go against the values that made me use Linux in the first place.
I occasionally do a little exploratory distro hopping just to see what I may want to recommend to Linux newbies. On my last round of that, Elementary OS put a "Microsoft Data" partition on the SSD of the test computer I used. As did Pop! OS. Therefore, I couldn't in good conscience recommend either of those distros.
Cultist? Do you worship the death cult of Christ Insanity? Then congrats, kiddo, you're a cultist too! Unless you mean that she is trans, and you hate people like us. In that case, we don't give a giant greasy flying shit what YOU PEOPLE think.
i don't buy it as they removed the app indicator since eOS 5. i can't understand the idea of restricting customization on Linux. Even MacOS does not stop people put they app icon in the system indicator panel. what they need to do is removing the clock in the center of the panel, no more symetrical space on the panel, so other important app can get their way in
One of the most trooniest tronixes out there. Who is for voidlinux and elementary os trooning it out to finally settle which one is the trooniest of the troonixes!
Every time ive tried eOS, I end up asking myself "why not just use Kubuntu?" New desktop environments don't add any meaningful value. Cinnamon, Pantheon, Cosmic, etc. So much wasted effort that could've been productively spent contributing to existing projects and fixing compatibility problems. That's what really helps Linux.
Lot of neckbeards in these comments complaining about the creator pretty much saying "dont make a video about my OS if you openly spout hatred about minorities" - then complaining it's a DEI distro cause the creator is trans. Sad to see so many people got whipped up into that pipeline but I guess I should have expected as much with the kind of crowd linux naturally attracts.
not true. I read all the comment by Dec26,2024.There is no comment that states hatred against eOS's creator. only one person mentioned he heard "someone said", but not directly. they mainly hate the OS because politic denial communication from the creator.
I just don't get Elementary OS. The interface looks like a tired copy of Mac OS. I'd just buy a Mac if that's what I wanted. Thanks for the walkthrough though.
As long as they keep getting more and more political and extreme it will be the death of the distro. I was big on eOS many years ago. Not much has changed. Perhaps for some that's good. There are some truly unique aspects to the way the interface operates. I have come to hate them. Elementary OS was a good idea a decade ago. Now it's just kinda lame.
I just want to share my opinion with this OS. Have you ever encountered an operating system that seems antagonistic toward both itself and its users? Meet Elementary OS. The installation process is highly cumbersome-I’ve tested it on four different computers, and each attempt was fraught with issues. The system’s native applications frequently freeze and crash, while the Pantheon desktop environment offers minimal customization. It feels like a half-hearted attempt at replicating macOS, as if built with the mantra, “We have macOS at home.” Furthermore, the team behind Elementary OS appears to have internal political disputes and other disagreements. For these reasons, I cannot recommend using it.
Its quality will get dramatically worse over time as its cultural marxist maintainer drives away talented, mentally stable contributors. Its bugginess will continue to get worse over time as less and less people what to contribute to it or use it.
Elementary team told me and anyone else that doesn't share their radical political views ages ago NOT to use their distro because of THEIR political BULLSH*T.. keep politics OUT of projects
You think if i just press buttons without knowing what i am doing this is user friendly ? Well i have news for you... this way is how microsoft works... WE DO NOT NEED USERS IGNORING BASIC STUFF... and this is why you are destroying linux... can you use tribblix man ? i challenge you... show us something else... because elementary is essentialy linux mint with another theme
This dude is such a shilling hack. A ton of people couldn't even get this release to install let alone work properly yet you recommend it. Not surprisingly to have a bad take from DT when he has a history of it
I really would love to like this distro because it is the most beautiful one out there, but it has a laughable number of developers and most importantly it us run by a WOKE hive!
Elementary OS is where I started my distro-hoppin' journey. The user-friendly distros like this play an important role luring in Windows/Mac users alike. Looks super approachable at a first glance.
exactly i would NOT have switched if i never found mint😂 came from windows
If you change to the "secure" session on the login screen, you get into the wayland session.
I am using Elementary OS8 as my daily driver. Took me under an hour to get up and running for my work flow and everything works really well. No bugs, no lagging and just a well built operating system. All the little changes such as update on restart for system updates and the need tk not have to restart for applications updates is another nice little feature. Themes are simple but nice, this system keeps out the way allowing you to just work without interruptions.
I think what would be nice is if they focused future versions on Debian alone as Ubuntu based I feel is no needed especially with the move to flatpaks and snaps not being used.
Same experience here, and the Wayland session has been running flawlessly on my AMD APU.
@@GSBarlev same but how did you manage to turn on v-sync, i also have an amd cpu/gpu
@@yhc2668 I thought VSYNC was forced on Wayland-Valve made a big deal about how they'd managed to enable screen tearing.
In some aspects it is better than gnome. wallpaper settings and overall look is very close, icons feel outdated.
Yes, that's what I like about it.
True tgey need better looking icons
A few years ago I was always looking forward to Elementary OS and was very impressed
...
Not anymore.
With such a comment you should the reason, what changed?
@@wouter_scholten It was once leading. Now lacking behind and political.
A lot of people have found that and so have I. The Pantheon desktop is not very user friendly. I wouldn't use this desktop either.
@@AndreaBorman nice to see you here, love your videos!
@@wouter_scholten Politics killed it. Say what you want but going political is the death knell.
when u were looking at htop, discord was running so maybe ram usage is high because of that?
True. I'm so used to seeing the Discord icon sitting in the systray, I just assumed it had closed.
I think this distro is well positioned as a product, as a complete package, but for some reason they failed in gaining meaninful traction.
No wonder when they tell people who disagree with their radical political views to not use the distro. It's not a good approach to make it all about politics.
Here's a possible reason. When you try to download the iso from elementary's website, there's no download link, only a "Purchase" button. Sure, you can click "Custom", type "$0" and download away. But, since the distro is aimed at less tech-savvy people, who know little to nothing about Linux distros, my guess is they're just going to say, "I'm not paying $10 just to try this out, when there's so many free options," close the tab, and go download Mint, Ubuntu, or Hannah Montana Linux.
"for some reason". follow the creator on social media for a day or two and you'll quickly come to know what that reason is.
@@cereal_experiments I try to uncouple politics from my hobby, which is FreeSoftware, but politics follows me around 💀
@@GoolagThemTube Free software, including Linux, is generally rooted in the principles of freedom, openness, and inclusivity. Forbidding people with opposing political ideologies from using your Linux distribution could be considered authoritarian and discriminatory, which aligns with certain characteristics of fascism. Needless to say, fascism = not good.
The thing that was a deal breaker for me, was an inability to upgrade in-place to the next OS release. This is simply not an option for beginners.
Uh, can someone bring me up to speed on why so many hate this distro here in the comments? I checked out the website and the only thing I could find that could tick people off is that you have to pay for the OS (I think? I only took a glance so I'm not sure). I'm genuinely curious as to why.
I'm hearing it's laggy
@@josephines.youtube You can just put 0 as amount and download the iso. It's just buggy all the time. Not stable at all. The other thing is now it seems it's gay to use elementary os. If you hate to be gay, you're a fascist. 😂
They committed the horrifying crime of having some left-wing stances, so it is stigmatized amongst right-wing individuals who are the majority in this comment session.
You don't have to - you can put 0 in the custom box and download it for free. Also, don't be surprised if some of that "hate" is because the maintainer of the distro is a trans woman. People coming out as trans seems to bother some folks.
@@peterrjg6843People coming out as neurotic cultural Marxists is what bothers some folks. Very few ppl care if someone is trans. The maintainer is a lunatic.
Hey DT, are you sure the creator allowed you to use the OS? 🤔
???
'Allowed' him?
Yup, the creator said if you don't support their politics you should piss off and not use their software. That's a hard pass from me.
@@jonbob9872 good way to turn people off
Alt+F4 has been the awkward close window shortcut for decades on microshaft products.
MiCrOsHaFt. You must be so cool.
Ok, what about 'monkeysoft'?
What's awkward about it?
@@deusexaethera the keys are extremely separated and in a weird angle, super+q or super+del are way better options and make more sense (quit or delete window)
it predates Microsoft Windows... inherited (aka copied) from the original Motif X Windows managers in the 80s
I think the reason for them to set the "close window" hotkey to alt+f4 is because Windows have had that shortcut for over 30 years. same with ctrl+c. Maybe not the best hotkey combo but many people know it :)
I literally attempted to install Elementary OS 8 directly on my Lenovo Thinkpad T480 and the installer displays an error message stating that the install process failed due to a hardware error. Now keep in mind that I have successfully installed and used no less than 6 different distros on this laptop over the years without ANY issues. In fact, I'm currently using the latest version of Solus installed on it.
Elementary has never been a good choice for me and v8 is no different.
Take the disc drive out
(t worked when i installed Linux Mint)
Research Raymond Chen and the history of ALT F4. He explains why that binding was used.
Regardless of my political view, I AM entitled to use WHATEVER I want to use.
It's like not letting yourself breathe air because the people who have different perspectives also breathe the same air as you do.
The developers have NOTHING to do with their user's opinions.
Lunduke talks about it a bit, heh.
I saw that and he told me all I needed to know about the Distro.
Yep, not touching this distro with a ten feet pole. i don't like running software made by agressive mentally insane people.
@@PC4USE1Do you find it difficult to think for yourself (and make up your own mind about things?), because that's certainly the message that your post seems to be broadcasting, here🤔🙃?
@@HAL9010-sv1ghHe did think for himself and made up his mind. Should everyone be required to do 100% of their research completely independently? If so, what're you doing on this video?
What will be good dock for wayland? Latte dock and Cairo dock seem to be not in development?
Holy hell these comments are toxic.
what's the deal when there are `apt` packages as well as `flatpak` packages? Do you then have to update each individually? i.e. `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` AND `flatpak update`? Are there other packages that need to be updated in other ways as well?
Hi DT! Could you review Wayfier, please?
The UI/UX design of this DE looks so old and outdated!
Hope they updated it a bit, I tried it after in just came out. It was buggy.
That's the results of DEI. It's JOEVER
Awesome! I look very much forward to this
That new dock looks like is base on dockbarx
No fractional scaling oob. Is a good looking distro, though
install dconf-editor and change the text scaling factor to 1.25% or whatever higher scale you want.
I always loved elementary, it's one of the only distros which doesn't look hideous
The unjustified toxicity elementary distro started receiving after Foré came out clearly reflects why Linux is not and will never make it in the desktop scene
please show me how to create a folder in desktop
I feel like this OS hates me, somehow.
This looks amazing. I thought that the only thing elementary OS has to offer is that it looks like MasOS. But I'm honestly surprised by how newbie friendly it is. I might start recommending it to newbies instead of linux mint.
I don't think many people who are on Linux Mint would give it up for this. Linux Mint has everything for the new users. This desktop doesn't have very much at all.
This looks just like gnome. Their devs should just join forces with the gnome team.
👍
Gnome is awful.
Thiz wouldnt work becauze the eOS team has a lot of different GUI wants than the gnome team
@@cxnzy09 Not only that, but Elementary just went woke. They are the cancer you don't want in
any project.
@@imelliam It really is. At least the default vanilla experience.
I don't think that Elementary OS is the one to use. At least not for new users. I did try it but the Pantheon desktop is not very user friendly. Many of the basic features that should be there are not there. Such as no icons on the desktop and no minimize or maximize buttons on windows. The Pantheon desktop which Elementary OS is based doesn't support it. The software center is not very good either. There was very few software in it and many features of the desktop are locked down. So you cannot customize or do many of the things you can on other desktops. So I would give this desktop a miss.
For me it still looks like a kids computer from a toy store. This is not a mature desktop.
The icons are outdated that's why i don't know why devs won't improve there icons lol
thanks from France
IMO, a top panel + a dock at the bottom is the most screen-wasting thing ever.
KDE Plasma, Hyprland with waybar, Windows ... are the best.
don't you mind to give some reason why it is a waste
@@tinyrandomthings Sure. This is what I think:
1. There's a lot of empty space in the top panel. Why don't we put icons in the dock there?
2. If the dock doesn't take the whole screen width, the areas that the dock doesn't use can't almost be used for anything: if some window uses those areas, it will make the dock disappear.
To me, waybar and KDE Plasma panel are the best: we can put a lot of things in waybar and they are css-styled; KDE Plasma has a lot of widgets that can be put in its panel.
It's unfortunate.
I was interested about this Linux distribution because it seems to have an interesting design philosophy and I was ready to explore it, however I wouldn't feel comfortable using a product whose creators explicitly say that they don't want certain people using their project simply because they disagree with certain political ideas.
Whether or not I agree with those ideas isn't the point, but I don't want to use a project that openly discriminates against people simply because they think differently, this would go against the values that made me use Linux in the first place.
Freedom to refuse service is a form of freedom
Discord is not free and it shouldn't be called like that
Well elementary is sort of a synonym for simple
I occasionally do a little exploratory distro hopping just to see what I may want to recommend to Linux newbies. On my last round of that, Elementary OS put a "Microsoft Data" partition on the SSD of the test computer I used. As did Pop! OS. Therefore, I couldn't in good conscience recommend either of those distros.
Do a review on WayFire!!
Why would you want to trust your OS install and data to a project that's run by literal cultist? And you recommend this, DT?
Agreed, I heard his entire staff quit on him, so he might have made it into a honeypot for funding.
Cultist? Do you worship the death cult of Christ Insanity? Then congrats, kiddo, you're a cultist too! Unless you mean that she is trans, and you hate people like us. In that case, we don't give a giant greasy flying shit what YOU PEOPLE think.
@@rootcanal7188 when i went to the site the CEO was a woman and the co-founder a man, so i thought they were coding partners
@@rootcanal7188 DT's staff?
This distro won't last much longer.
i don't buy it as they removed the app indicator since eOS 5. i can't understand the idea of restricting customization on Linux. Even MacOS does not stop people put they app icon in the system indicator panel. what they need to do is removing the clock in the center of the panel, no more symetrical space on the panel, so other important app can get their way in
Yes Elementary OS still lives only to fanboys. Wouldn't recommend a daily driver or beginner use
Its really buggy st the moment. I they hope they fix the bugs soon
Nah, the Dev is more worried if someone Said he is a man lmao
KDE is still the best DE
Ah yes. The distro that doesn’t believe in fractional scaling.
Linux fractional scaling is still terrible
@@hermannthefisherman2960 windows does it best. However they do it, it needs to be brought to Linux.
One of the most trooniest tronixes out there. Who is for voidlinux and elementary os trooning it out to finally settle which one is the trooniest of the troonixes!
TroonOS
Real!
Every time ive tried eOS, I end up asking myself "why not just use Kubuntu?" New desktop environments don't add any meaningful value. Cinnamon, Pantheon, Cosmic, etc. So much wasted effort that could've been productively spent contributing to existing projects and fixing compatibility problems. That's what really helps Linux.
idk but the window/UI padding on eOS 8 looks awful :(
Lot of neckbeards in these comments complaining about the creator pretty much saying "dont make a video about my OS if you openly spout hatred about minorities" - then complaining it's a DEI distro cause the creator is trans. Sad to see so many people got whipped up into that pipeline but I guess I should have expected as much with the kind of crowd linux naturally attracts.
not true. I read all the comment by Dec26,2024.There is no comment that states hatred against eOS's creator. only one person mentioned he heard "someone said", but not directly. they mainly hate the OS because politic denial communication from the creator.
@@tinyrandomthings touch grass neckbeard
Nvidia drivers don’t break the OS anymore. (yay)
Still better than Manjaro.
Ah, the DEI distro! Accept no substitute.
wtf are u talking about?
who the fugg cares
@@sniper_in_bushsome do
Really
@@mariomaliqi184 They officially started calling their distro DEI distro: Division, Exclusion, Intolerance.
How can Elementary look so bad nowadays? Absolutely terrible icons.
Na ahh, this distro just scream "MacOS at home" moment
MacOS Temu edition
My goodness, this comment section is a political hellscape. Why do y'all care so much? Just ignore the project and move on, geez...
Profile picture checks out
True.
Exactly what I'm thinking
But... but.. but... pronouns!!!
RotPocketOS
I just don't get Elementary OS. The interface looks like a tired copy of Mac OS. I'd just buy a Mac if that's what I wanted. Thanks for the walkthrough though.
Pure poz.
As long as they keep getting more and more political and extreme it will be the death of the distro. I was big on eOS many years ago. Not much has changed. Perhaps for some that's good. There are some truly unique aspects to the way the interface operates. I have come to hate them. Elementary OS was a good idea a decade ago. Now it's just kinda lame.
I just want to share my opinion with this OS.
Have you ever encountered an operating system that seems antagonistic toward both itself and its users? Meet Elementary OS.
The installation process is highly cumbersome-I’ve tested it on four different computers, and each attempt was fraught with issues. The system’s native applications frequently freeze and crash, while the Pantheon desktop environment offers minimal customization. It feels like a half-hearted attempt at replicating macOS, as if built with the mantra, “We have macOS at home.”
Furthermore, the team behind Elementary OS appears to have internal political disputes and other disagreements. For these reasons, I cannot recommend using it.
Woke OS
Hahaha!!
DEI distro keep away
Facts
Define “DEI”. Otherwise, SU and sit down.
@@ocularpatdown What DEI really stands for: Division, Exclusion, Intolerance
@@ocularpatdown DEI means = Division, Exclusion, Intolerance.
@@ocularpatdownwhy are you gae?
WokeOS
I don't mind woke but this is more like a mentally ill fascist OS.
sorry, but it's crap imo
Usually, an explanation why it's crap follows comments like this. Otherwise you're just a comment troll
@@king.freddy anyone who used elementary os knows it's crap. Buggy as hell.
@nipuneranda7117 yeah but at least you gave a reason as to why you think it's bad
@@king.freddy I replied back to you, but I don't know if my comment is still present or was removed.
Its quality will get dramatically worse over time as its cultural marxist maintainer drives away talented, mentally stable contributors. Its bugginess will continue to get worse over time as less and less people what to contribute to it or use it.
Elementary team told me and anyone else that doesn't share their radical political views ages ago NOT to use their distro because of THEIR political BULLSH*T.. keep politics OUT of projects
You think if i just press buttons without knowing what i am doing this is user friendly ? Well i have news for you... this way is how microsoft works... WE DO NOT NEED USERS IGNORING BASIC STUFF... and this is why you are destroying linux...
can you use tribblix man ? i challenge you... show us something else... because elementary is essentialy linux mint with another theme
This dude is such a shilling hack. A ton of people couldn't even get this release to install let alone work properly yet you recommend it. Not surprisingly to have a bad take from DT when he has a history of it
bla bla
I don't like elementaryOS ... is strange 😅 i don't know why.
Looks so basic
I think you need to read the comments. And the creator
Need to read the room
I really would love to like this distro because it is the most beautiful one out there, but it has a laughable number of developers and most importantly it us run by a WOKE hive!
Donald Trump endorses Elementary OS.
Asking you a question is worthless. Tried 4 times. Unsubscribed
When you have a huge audience it really is not easy to keep track of all the comments.
Elementary is great. Its clean, there's no bunch of pre-installed crap here, elementary feels clean and empty and I like it