Endeavor os is a great arch distro because it is close to vanilla arch and comes with many desktop environments and a window manager which are xfce, mate, lxqt, i3-wm, cinnamon, plasma, gnome budgie and deepin. Since it is close to Arch it does not come with much bloat. I will agree that arcolinux comes with a lot of DE and WM. Manjaro also comes with good selection of DE and WM. Manjaro WM selection is limited however. My issue with arcolinux is getting nvidia card to work with it for proprietary vulkan drivers. I had no issues with properly installing nvidia drivers in Arch, Manjaro and Endeavor OS. I hope arcolinux fixed that issue.
Artix doesn’t see releases because it’s a rolling release distro like Arch. Arch doesn’t see releases either. The beauty of Artix is that you can choose your init system. An Artix system running the Runit init system for example uses about 100mb less after boot than Arch with systemd. It’s also a great distro for those of us who care about choice and adhering to the original UNIX philosophy in the Linux community. Artix has much more to offer in terms of uniqueness than most distros.
Arco made Arch easier. Not like Manjaro, many application not working on Manjaro. But with Arco you could install almost anything. Thanks to Eric Dubois. But now I use Hefftor, I'm a DE user, because sometimes my wife or my daughter use my laptop. My favourite WM is IceWM and Openbox.
Hey DT, can you make some more videos about the ergodox and how you've configured it? I know you tend to stick to more "vanilla" configurations in general but it would be cool for you to talk about some keybindings you have, how it helps you with your tiling wm workflow, etc...! Btw, thanks for introducing me to the ergodox, I'm going to build my own :)
I started with Arco Linux since yesterday and must admit installing Arch Linux went more smoothly if I did it again a few times, but with Arco Linux it goes even faster and during the installation you can already check the software and drivers to be installed in a check box!
I use whatever O.S. will support my workflow. For home, linux works..for most of business, linux with open standards works better than MS, for years I stood by the motto "don't use 2 MS products together, they won't work well." Now I occasionally do high end video, 4k and even 8k video.Linux can't keep up with the 4k production, its buggy, what can be done in 30mins in MS takes hours in linux, and most times will NOT render correctly in linux. But then again, it's about using the right tool for the job, not about forcing a square peg in a round hole. 8k video standards were just agreed upon this year, in time linux will adapt..my workflow is now..i don't have the time to wait at work. I embrace open standards, but until that happens I will use the proprietary software that will work for my workflow.
Nice video. I disagree with your points about Arch-based distros. Some background: Debian is the underpining for a lot of distros: Kali, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. Ubuntu is a behemoth that won't die when Debian goes away, but Kali will. All Arch-based distros won't survive if Arch was to go away because they rely heavily on the upstream channels. Ubuntu has enough developers to step in and take over. Manjaro relies on Arch and Arch | ARM, Arco and Artix relies on Arch. Arco basically puts a Debian spin on an Arch install - which takes away from the point of Arch. If I want a Debian-like distro then I would suggest use Debian. If you're more DIY then I'd suggest Arch or Void. If you hate systemd then, again, there's Void. To your point about something to offer: even though Mint won't last without Ubuntu, I think if offers the best "new user" experience that's close to what a Mac offers; the UI is really refined - any Mac or Windows user can navigate easily compared to stock Gnome-based Ubuntu.
I've considered something like Archlabs and Arcolinux to experiment with on a persistent usb or virtual machine, but I don't really see the point of jumping to a fork of Arch unless I have a specific reason. I'll just stick with vanilla Arch.
Could a decentralized and distributed social media platform work? You host your own videos *but* it's more like torrents where you can download a piece from *each* person who has it; what do you think?
Quit FB years ago, Google, Facebook , twitter, They chose whats alowed to say, they call the shots, Just stop use their services people, please. Also i started using Arco linux for the past 2 weeks. Really like it, So i send some money their way, If you really like a distro or a youtuber, Please support them
Asking you to prove that it's you before handling the account is understandable. Otherwise it would be easy to just steal somebody's account. Toxicity...I didn't notice it TBH. Maybe I just follow right topic and people.
Hey DT, why don't you just use anarchy installer. It installs mainline arch and you can select custom packages to install. You can even easily chroot into the installation once your done if you got something during install.
I really don't get your hate against "protest distros". Linux is all about choices, what the heck is wrong with using runit, it's an awesome init system. Also the great thing about Artix is that it only switches systemd out. Which is not a whole lot. So it's very stable, because it's still 99% Arch.
@@DistroTube Right, but you want to lead the charge and aim your followers to use this site and make it their go to for uploading and downloading .dot files, and without https enabled you are just asking for someone to MITM a small site like this and poison it's reliability and reputation. So if you draw attention to it en mass like this, then you should make an effort as a courtesy to the site owner to secure their connections because you might end up ruining them otherwise. I'm not the one with followers rallying them to an little known and unsecured site, so I have no stake in this and I won't be delegated the responsibility of your project to make this site your community's collective .dot files, I'm just trying to give you a helpful heads up for your endeavor and apparently I'm not the only one in the comments who has brought this up.
Hey DT, are you even gonna get a bitchute account? You're already on LBRY but that doesn't have proper rss. (btw posting this before even watching the video)
13:12 Hey DT Archcraft also has a xmonad edition you have to install the normal one and install xmonad by [sudo pacman -S archcraft-xmonad] i hope this helps
I switched to Linux from Mac because I couldn’t afford buying a new one every time Apple cuts off support. My 2006 MacPro runs Linux just fine and I love it!
Peter Andrijeczko Apple products have planned obsolescence built in, hackintosh is an option but I found the experience unstable without a lot of tinkering, I think with Apple moving to arm the days of running Linux on Macs are coming to an end (not counting vm)
It's not my main machine (I run arco on a desktop), but my old MacBook 3,1 (2007 white policarbonate core2duo 2GB ram!!) is in my parents house with a 20$ ssd and manjaro xfce running fine for them 😆😁 and that's what I use if I go there and it just flies. If I take some friend's almost 10 years newer laptop with Windows 10 (that used to run win7 kind of okey, but is no longer oficially supported so they had to change) it takes forever to boot and by the time they open Microsoft Word I'm already on my vim blasting latex with live preview on mupdf 😂😂. Damn apple and microsoft... buy buy buy new things gotta' consooooome
@@ablearcher2753 Hell, I do prefer the top bar and dock instead of a bottom bar / task bar, but I do that in Gnome and KDE too. I know some themes on both move the minimize / maximize / etc buttons onto the left side and color code them like macOS does too. To pile onto your suggestion though, I'd just suggest elementary OS / the (I think it's called pantheon?) desktop environment, as it's literally a macOS clone.
True, I went there a few days ago and had no idea I was even in the right website for quite a few minutes, and then couldn't find a home page saying what arco linux's proposal of value actually was
@@erefront Same, like, what exactly is Arco's mission? Is it just Arch with a GUI installer, or is there anything more to it (I still don't know). In any case, the installer itself is a sufficient selling point.
Exactly! It seems more like an Erik video repository than having easily accessible written information. Who wants to have to watch a video instead of reading a well written installation paper?
@@muhammadmannapov I mentioned Erik Dubois (ruclips.net/user/ErikDuboisfeatured) because he has created informative linux articles numbering in the thousands. He is a great teacher if you are interested in Arch but you will learn about many desktop environments, how to create your own iso, how to use the Calamares Installer with Arch, etc. Take a look at the website (www.arcolinux.info/).
The main purpose of Arco Linux is that it is a learning distro for Arch. Nonetheless I use Arco Linux D for my main production machine. Eric Dubois produces tons of videos about arch. When you see many of these videos you really learn a lot and you get a huge amount of information for solving many problems in arch.
I've been running Arco for a year.. I hopped through a ton of distros before finding Erik's i3 Mint installation script, and it was a gimme to switch to Arco since I really can't stand Ubuntu-based. It puts most other distros to shame. It's that simple, but there's no accounting for taste.
Artix by default uses Gentoo’s OpenRC init system over SystemD, as SystemD has far too much built in (see Clear Linux for 100 things you didn’t know SystemD could do). Artix is designed to be a base distro like Arch itself. It also is built weekly, so yes it is active. Note that I’m a Gentoo user, so it’s not my main distro.
im not a fan of just calling artix a "protest" distro. you're not protesting against systemd, what does it even mean to protest against systemd, you're using an init system that you like
The systemd debate is a formidable example how nowadays even the slightest criticism on or disagree with anything is deemed »hate« and making use of freedom of choice you (still) have is deemed »protest«. The systemd issue has been concerning me a lot lately, and surely not because I »hate« systemd. I'm considering switching from Arch to Artix myself. And this is by far not a protest. We might actually assume that it's absurd how Arch is considered a distro for the knowledge user, but then, the knowledge user is left with no choice on the init system. This is rubbish. I love Arch, but this one criticism I have is a legit and a strong one for sure.
Good said. It is about choice and it would be preferable that archlinux let me choose. I have a machine with arch at the moment, but is because I chose that. I did not chose artix I chose the init system.
Hey DT, I fully agree with you about Arco completely. Me only having one physical machine for playing with Linux means, I run mainline Arch (i3) as the main desktop but dual booting with ArcoLinuxB Xtended because of that glut of tiling wm managers. By the way you are the one who have inspired to look deeper into more tiling window managers like Xmonad and Qtile.
I do totally agree on ArcoLinux. I have just replaced it with the now unfortunately discontinued ArchDeepin (which is based on ArchBang) and went on to try ArcoLinux B Deepin. This thing is just a beauty. Sure, some people call this a beginners distro but I beg to differ. The beauty about Arch and Linux in general is that a good distro gives you freedom of choice. If you are a noob you can feel at home and if you are some super hacker you can feel at home either way. Now whilst I am perfectly capable to install a Linux system the CLI way only, I don't see why I should as my needs are not that special that I would have to go through all this procedure. Whilst - and I am not trying to make Arch look bad in any way here by saying this - Gentoo for example at least gives me the advantage to compile stuff from scratch, using my custom CFlags and so on - well I even fixed this one with a rather simple bash script. So ArcoLinux is saving me tons of time while giving me the same if not even better experience and I can still do everything I want like I would be able to on any other Arch System thanks to being fully compatible. Now with Artix I beg to differ as for the compatibility part. Mostly you are right but because it is a non-systemd distro forget about things like getting the eg. AMD Ryzen optimized kernel from the AUR, they just won't work and the ones that are available to you are rather outdated and kind of defy the whole purpose of running such a bleeding edge distro like Arch. Now I don't hate systemd but I would in principle prefer something like OpenRC when it comes to boot times and some other things. However, compatibility is key and wins so Artix is out as far as I am concerned and to be fair it doesn't seem to be anyway as greatly maintained as ArcoLinux is. So to make a long story short, why would I want to invest a whole afternoon or so into a simple Linux installation when I can do the same with ArcoLinux in about 10-15 minutes?
Arco is an excellent distribution, and I think you are spot on when you say it fills a specific purpose. A quick easy install of Arch, with a TWM and customised exactly how one wants, plus regular updates and improvements is hard to beat :-) Great support community as well. Thanks for all your work on one of the best linux channels.
PeerTube is compatible with object storage providers like S3, so all of your videos do not have to be "on that server": docs.joinpeertube.org/#/admin-remote-storage
I made a repository that was meant to serve the dotfile sharing purpose. I guess early bird gets the worm! But I will definitely support this guy or gal!
I love Linux and love watching content on RUclips, really want to try a window manager but not really ready to make the switch just yet but on my main P.c I've tried to make it behave like a window manager by putting things like rofi on it and removing the menu button. Got the idea from a video you did but can't find that video anymore for some reason
I switched to Linux because of frustration with Windows, but when I switch I needed to learn more about Linux. That is why I follow this channel and other similar channels to learn some new tricks to use on my Linux computer. And going back to Windows is not option... Like the channel, because of its nice quality content. 👍🏻
@Peter Andrijeczko You can do that now. But the pace systemd is expanding the protest distros will be too much to maintain. And compiling every program is not ideal for everyone. Then you realize that it's not Linux that you love its the UNIX philosophy and freedom you get. How many users do you think know about the kernel(which is called Linux, the rest is just coreutils and moslty systemd nowdays)? Even gentoo users mostly know about the parameters that kernel takes thats it. When systemd handles everything I will move to another OS like BSD.
Arco GNU+Linux is the most unnecessary distribution. It's literally just an Arch install script made into a distribution. Also, why do you think of non-systemd distros as mere "protest distros"? That is quite an underhanded insult, just because some people want a less bloated, portable, and faster init system.
It’s also an issue of freedom and choice. There is nothing wrong with systemd if it serves your purpose. I use systemd based distros on all my servers, but not on my personal machines. If you want choice, you should consider the alternatives.
@@stephenjames5745, my problem with systemd is how quickly and deeply entrenched it has become in the GNU+Linux Operating System. It is inherently unportable, uses GNU+Linux-specific APIs, it suffers from heavy mission creep and code bloat, and it implements everything on top of systemd (itself). For instance, some software, most notably GNOME, has a soft (runtime) dependency on systemd, meaning that projects may unknowingly sometimes rely on systemd. The developers also have a very bad design ethos, "We do what we want and all the distros will accept it anyway." They have been deliberately unsupportive of other OSs, and the Unix Philosophy. The monolithic nature of systemd means that all its components must be installed for it to function, and systemd modules like systemd-homed are not implemented portably, as an extension to POSIX (like GNU programs are, for instance), but instead on top of this huge systemd base. This drastically increases the system's surface area, thus making it more susceptible to exploitation. It also means that it is becoming harder and harder not to use it, thus forcing social pressure to switch. That isn't to say it's bad, per se, I used it for over a year without issue, but it seems to be going into a downward spiral. If it was just a parallel startup addition to the system like it was originally intended to be, then I would love it, but it quickly surpassed that goal and began piling on the bloat. systemd is just that; a **system** daemon. This is fundamentally against the Unix Philosophy. It tries to do everything. systemd is not an init system any more. It is a pervasive ``system layer'' if you will, which is ever-increasing in size and scope. systemd does everything in one place, and it is a single point of failure. It's also slower than runit or OpenRC; I know OpenRC has (unstable) parallel boot at the moment, and all the claimed features of systemd are available in standalone daemons. Just to give an example of how unsalvageable systemd is in it's current state, I currently have it installed on my system and it does all of the following: - init - network time protocol for syncing time - randomising MAC address - service management - home user management This behaviour should not be done in one place. systemd modules are not true modules. You cannot install them onto a system without the heavy systemd base. They only work with the rest of systemd. They are not standalone. The next time I fresh install, I'm going to use OpenRC and port my dotfiles to it. systemd is not horrible, it's just not very good. I hope that once systemd swallows up all userspace GNU functions, people will have a good, long, and hard look at the system, and wonder whether the Unix-like GNU+Linux has become a monolithic Windows-like systemd+Linux. Only time will tell. I'm sticking to OpenRC, I might give runit a try, and OpenBSD's init scripts might be worth a shot. Edit: added sentence.
Biggest thing impress me with Arco are all those scripts they have. Very easy to edit the scripts, to make it do what you want it to do. The best scripts written I think.
Honestly, if I was in your shoes I'd prove those sites are yours. The damage that could be done by the imposters would keep me up at night. Your younger fans will thank you one day
I love my Ergodox-EZ! I got mine right around the time you got yours. My boss and team lead both had their own, and I had to try it. When I switched I also switched to the Colemak layout. I'm not sure that I would recommend the latter, as I actually type slower, but it is more comfortable for sure.
with arco linux currently on my main laptop, I wouldn't recommend it as an introduction to an arch like enviroment. I would recommend a manual arch install, mainly for the ability to learn about your system as you set it up
Hey DT! Thanks for fulfilling two big archetypes. You're the Bob Ross of Linux RUclipsrs in my eyes, and you're one of the primary influencers in the decision, back in 2018, to switch over to Linux. Thank you so much for the Command Line Shenanigans video, while fun, is relaxing enough to pass out to at the end of the night.
I know this is an old video but for anybody curios enough: LBRY is not youtube. Now, that may seem obvious but this is why I mention it: if you edit video for youtube and upload that very same video to LBRY, you are making life harder for anybody who wants to watch your stuff in LBRY because the of how the video is encoded, so if you make a video with 8000 mbps over in LBRY it's going to be hell to stream it. The few videos that I do have on LBRY were encoded for 2400 mbps and that's the only I managed for the videos to load fast enough for the end user, they videos do have some graphic glitches but...HEY!
Hey dt, do you have to use java script or even proprietary java script to host videos online? Because basically all the RUclips alternatives I see: PeerTube, LBRY, and how you host videos on your website, all include not only java script but also non-free java script (detected by GNU LibreJS addon that I use on IceCat). I remember that I watched some video of Richard Stallman on the FSF website and that definitely didn't require non-free java script and I think it actually didn't require java script at all, so it seems to me that it should be possible to host videos without java script or at least without proprietary java script. Btw, why do you have so much non-free java script in your website? Is that only because of the videos or also other parts of the website?
Hey DT, been watching your videos for a while now. I really appreciate what you do. I love GNU/Linux, but I do use Windows heavily. I manage and maintain several hundred computers, websites, servers, switches, routers, etc. I've tried to use Linux where I can (mostly with websites), but one thing I've always wanted the Linux community to do is not reject Windows so severely. I get the whole proprietary software argument, but I wish the Linux community had more experience with Windows for the specific reason of improving GNU/Linux. The tools that Microsoft has developed (or acquired) are so far above the tools I've encountered in the Linux realm. I would love to be able to setup a file server for my clients running Linux, but geez, the headache involved in doing so pales in comparison to a Windows Server license. Am I crazy for thinking that one day Linux will be on par with Windows server as a viable alternative? I would love to be able to install a vanilla distro and get things like joining a Microsoft Active Directory, or being able to configure the things found in File Server Resource Manager, like storage reports, storage quotas, usage authorization, access control, etc. I feel like with Linux all I do is hit brick walls. Not trying to slam the Linux community at all but man I wish similar tools existed in the Linux realm that were easy to configure, easy to install/use, and easy to maintain.
THEY HAVE their policies though, just like you have your likes n dislikes. So here is the dealio with that...CAN YOU BE persuaded to perhaps EVOLVE? Well of coarse you can...so likewise you have to explain EXACTLY what you just explained to all of us about their policies to the ones that have the power to make an exception in your case and VET the IMPOSTER out for proof...seriously, you know they have their policies, and you even know what many/most of them are...just explain it the same way you did to us in the video and it should ALSO make perfect sense to them to make an exception and ask the scammer (or whatever they are) to prove their account because they have received complaints about impersonation towards another content creator.
The Blue Screen of Death was my main Linux influencer but I must say my first love was windows95 it was fascinating. Yeah the ques that got me to this video was: Whats the difference between Arco Linux & Arch.
I really enjoy open source OS. I am new to Arch based linux I'm test driving Endeavour OS at the moment. I love Linix Mint and Ghost BSD along with Mac Ventura
I tried arco and its amazing how completely dogshit and bloated it is compared to any other distro I've used. if you want a 'pure arch with an installer', go with Endeavor. Arco is a complete mess. If you want to learn arch, then go use arch. Don't use a hastily put together mess that'll make everything 100x more confusing with an installer thats incapable of remembering what you checkmarked.
~10 minutes of your video is about....who cares. When posting video about certain topic.... talk about it. Arco Linux might be great for real Linux experts, that is fine, but for most of the people who are not experts and might not know what they want (application wise), IMHO, it is better to install "bloated" distro, look around it and remove what the do not need. I like your channel and watch a lot of it. Great work.
Man, I completely agree about the the Twitter and Facebook privacy issues. All aside from the data mining and selling your info to anyone who wants it. These platforms are inherently like opening you up as a book in ways that are often not thought of. Take for instance, you might be applying for a job and are a front-runner for the position. It is not unheard of for an HR dept worker to ping you on FB or some of the others just to use the platform as an added character witness and they, for example, find pictures of you and other marijuana advocates smoking a joint or maybe find a quote that paints you in a less-than-favorable political light. They aren't supposed to discriminate in many ways however some do and your resume finds it's way toward the bottom of the deck. It's one example but why mess with these sites when they seldom do most people any good? I've never been on FB and no longer even open my Twitter acct. YT is pretty much it for me and I try to be neutral as I can be. Thanks for the topic!
Hi distro, in fact for social media, the fact you have to proove you are you is weird, but imagine tomorrow, somebody decided to arras you and contact RUclips and say, I'm distrotube, the guy on the screen isn't me, delete this account... You should appreciate that a AI ( in my opinion that the way.😃) decides to analyse something that proove the complainant is false. But I agree, in think it's to sell something afterwards.
I'm very grateful for Arco since it is pacman based distribution that my girlfriend can easily use right away. So we can share some configs and such. That's a pure romance.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 so you dont use peertube because they make you pay to serve Your own content? of course if You have to pay to serve your own content, as you learned, its expensive, yet you want to use youtube for their free serving of Your content and then ask people to pay you? if you want to run a legit business and not be an employee of youtube, which you are, then you have to pay for your own business expense, including the storage and costs associated with serving the content to All your fans. as someone who has done podcasting in the past and PAID for everything involved including hosting and storage of my podcasts content, and never asked for any money, i can see that youtubers dont have a clue how much it actually cost to run their channels. and as you proved, none of you could be doing this without youtubes free services.
i've installed arco with twice with the advanced search. i'm curious to know what environment or wm it gives you after the simple install. does anyone know?
RUclips is doing something different with their default ad settings these days. I removed all the mid-roll ads. Not sure why YT thinks anyone needs that many ads in one video.
@@DistroTube because MONEY (for them that is). i mean ad blockers are a thing (just not in the yt app (android, which i happened to use). btw the construction cone does miracles.
11:33 is what you're here for
i can't thank you enough
karma earned, thx
Wish I'd seen this at the start.
thank you goodman
Thanks! Good thing I scrolled down and saw this.
Endeavor os is a great arch distro because it is close to vanilla arch and comes with many desktop environments and a window manager which are xfce, mate, lxqt, i3-wm, cinnamon, plasma, gnome budgie and deepin. Since it is close to Arch it does not come with much bloat. I will agree that arcolinux comes with a lot of DE and WM. Manjaro also comes with good selection of DE and WM. Manjaro WM selection is limited however. My issue with arcolinux is getting nvidia card to work with it for proprietary vulkan drivers. I had no issues with properly installing nvidia drivers in Arch, Manjaro and Endeavor OS. I hope arcolinux fixed that issue.
Artix doesn’t see releases because it’s a rolling release distro like Arch. Arch doesn’t see releases either. The beauty of Artix is that you can choose your init system. An Artix system running the Runit init system for example uses about 100mb less after boot than Arch with systemd. It’s also a great distro for those of us who care about choice and adhering to the original UNIX philosophy in the Linux community. Artix has much more to offer in terms of uniqueness than most distros.
I really like your ask DT videos. Your videos help get me re-interested in linux after 15 or so years away.
Artix and Alpine Linux are the best, I did a benchmark and those are unbelievable
Arco made Arch easier. Not like Manjaro, many application not working on Manjaro. But with Arco you could install almost anything. Thanks to Eric Dubois. But now I use Hefftor, I'm a DE user, because sometimes my wife or my daughter use my laptop. My favourite WM is IceWM and Openbox.
Arco is Amazing! I'm 100% Arco I3 !! I'm started with Arco because you and you in my heart because this DT. Go ahead, you save life's!
Hey DT, can you make some more videos about the ergodox and how you've configured it? I know you tend to stick to more "vanilla" configurations in general but it would be cool for you to talk about some keybindings you have, how it helps you with your tiling wm workflow, etc...! Btw, thanks for introducing me to the ergodox, I'm going to build my own :)
I started with Arco Linux since yesterday and must admit installing Arch Linux went more smoothly if I did it again a few times, but with Arco Linux it goes even faster and during the installation you can already check the software and drivers to be installed in a check box!
Thanks for the hard work you do. I allways try to learn from the videos you make.
I use whatever O.S. will support my workflow. For home, linux works..for most of business, linux with open standards works better than MS, for years I stood by the motto "don't use 2 MS products together, they won't work well." Now I occasionally do high end video, 4k and even 8k video.Linux can't keep up with the 4k production, its buggy, what can be done in 30mins in MS takes hours in linux, and most times will NOT render correctly in linux. But then again, it's about using the right tool for the job, not about forcing a square peg in a round hole. 8k video standards were just agreed upon this year, in time linux will adapt..my workflow is now..i don't have the time to wait at work. I embrace open standards, but until that happens I will use the proprietary software that will work for my workflow.
Nice video. I disagree with your points about Arch-based distros. Some background: Debian is the underpining for a lot of distros: Kali, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. Ubuntu is a behemoth that won't die when Debian goes away, but Kali will. All Arch-based distros won't survive if Arch was to go away because they rely heavily on the upstream channels. Ubuntu has enough developers to step in and take over. Manjaro relies on Arch and Arch | ARM, Arco and Artix relies on Arch. Arco basically puts a Debian spin on an Arch install - which takes away from the point of Arch. If I want a Debian-like distro then I would suggest use Debian. If you're more DIY then I'd suggest Arch or Void. If you hate systemd then, again, there's Void. To your point about something to offer: even though Mint won't last without Ubuntu, I think if offers the best "new user" experience that's close to what a Mac offers; the UI is really refined - any Mac or Windows user can navigate easily compared to stock Gnome-based Ubuntu.
I wonder why not a lot more distros have the option to choose software when installing. It's really awesome for quick customization.
Hey DT, have you ever tried GoboLinux, it uses the Awesome WM as their default.
I've considered something like Archlabs and Arcolinux to experiment with on a persistent usb or virtual machine, but I don't really see the point of jumping to a fork of Arch unless I have a specific reason. I'll just stick with vanilla Arch.
Could a decentralized and distributed social media platform work? You host your own videos *but* it's more like torrents where you can download a piece from *each* person who has it; what do you think?
Quit FB years ago, Google, Facebook , twitter, They chose whats alowed to say, they call the shots, Just stop use their services people, please.
Also i started using Arco linux for the past 2 weeks. Really like it, So i send some money their way, If you really like a distro or a youtuber, Please support them
DT, I reckon it's Lunduke impersonating you on twitter in revenge for the 'cupcake' thing 😉
Asking you to prove that it's you before handling the account is understandable. Otherwise it would be easy to just steal somebody's account. Toxicity...I didn't notice it TBH. Maybe I just follow right topic and people.
Hey DT, why don't you just use anarchy installer. It installs mainline arch and you can select custom packages to install. You can even easily chroot into the installation once your done if you got something during install.
WM's? No thank you. DT video's? Yes please.
Have you used freedombox ?
"the burden of proof is on you"
should be default re: false "official" social media accounts like the DT twitter account
BTW, I use Arco....
I really don't get your hate against "protest distros". Linux is all about choices, what the heck is wrong with using runit, it's an awesome init system.
Also the great thing about Artix is that it only switches systemd out. Which is not a whole lot. So it's very stable, because it's still 99% Arch.
HEY DT, CAN YOU GET THE OWNERS OF DOTSHARE.IT TO SUPPORT HTTPS!? IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT!
I don't know the owner anymore than you do.
@@DistroTube Right, but you want to lead the charge and aim your followers to use this site and make it their go to for uploading and downloading .dot files, and without https enabled you are just asking for someone to MITM a small site like this and poison it's reliability and reputation. So if you draw attention to it en mass like this, then you should make an effort as a courtesy to the site owner to secure their connections because you might end up ruining them otherwise. I'm not the one with followers rallying them to an little known and unsecured site, so I have no stake in this and I won't be delegated the responsibility of your project to make this site your community's collective .dot files, I'm just trying to give you a helpful heads up for your endeavor and apparently I'm not the only one in the comments who has brought this up.
@c6amp HTTPS everywhere only works if the server you are connecting to supports HTTPS, but the last I checked the site only supported http.
Hey DT, do you meditate? There is a buddha figure. :P
why not write a script to upload your videos?
Hey DT, are you even gonna get a bitchute account? You're already on LBRY but that doesn't have proper rss. (btw posting this before even watching the video)
linux is the best
Install NixOS
Even msdos 1.0 is better than big sur
Why don't you use PeerTu- Oh... Why don't you use DailyMotion? LOL
nasty and toxic people are in the world, not just on social media.. peop[le on this times are as toxic as they come!
:)
Can I ask for permission to pretend to be you on notabug.io?
Hey DT, are you bald? (sorry if this is offensive)
you're neither use Facebook nor Twitter because of privacy issues while you have a Google account !!😂
13:12 Hey DT Archcraft also has a xmonad edition you have to install the normal one and install xmonad by [sudo pacman -S archcraft-xmonad]
i hope this helps
I switched to Linux from Mac because I couldn’t afford buying a new one every time Apple cuts off support. My 2006 MacPro runs Linux just fine and I love it!
Mine has 20 gigs of ram, ssd, amd radion 5770, two 4 tb hdd (for Plex), one 2 tb Hdd, running mint mate 19.3.
Peter Andrijeczko Apple products have planned obsolescence built in, hackintosh is an option but I found the experience unstable without a lot of tinkering, I think with Apple moving to arm the days of running Linux on Macs are coming to an end (not counting vm)
It's not my main machine (I run arco on a desktop), but my old MacBook 3,1 (2007 white policarbonate core2duo 2GB ram!!) is in my parents house with a 20$ ssd and manjaro xfce running fine for them 😆😁 and that's what I use if I go there and it just flies.
If I take some friend's almost 10 years newer laptop with Windows 10 (that used to run win7 kind of okey, but is no longer oficially supported so they had to change) it takes forever to boot and by the time they open Microsoft Word I'm already on my vim blasting latex with live preview on mupdf 😂😂.
Damn apple and microsoft... buy buy buy new things gotta' consooooome
If you miss the Mac OS X user interface then I can recommend you the Deepin desktop environment.
@@ablearcher2753 Hell, I do prefer the top bar and dock instead of a bottom bar / task bar, but I do that in Gnome and KDE too. I know some themes on both move the minimize / maximize / etc buttons onto the left side and color code them like macOS does too.
To pile onto your suggestion though, I'd just suggest elementary OS / the (I think it's called pantheon?) desktop environment, as it's literally a macOS clone.
the arco linux team should very much put some effort in redesigning their website. every time I happen to go there I get massive headaches
True, I went there a few days ago and had no idea I was even in the right website for quite a few minutes, and then couldn't find a home page saying what arco linux's proposal of value actually was
Agreed
@@erefront Same, like, what exactly is Arco's mission? Is it just Arch with a GUI installer, or is there anything more to it (I still don't know). In any case, the installer itself is a sufficient selling point.
There damn website is built using wordpress and divi theme. idk how they did so bad on it lol that is very frustrating.
Exactly! It seems more like an Erik video repository than having easily accessible written information. Who wants to have to watch a video instead of reading a well written installation paper?
Yo DT, would you consider trying to grow a handlebar mustache?
Don't be jalouse, you will have one later....
Post that on his Reddit!
ArcoLinux: a great version if you want to learn more than Arch (thank you Erik Dubois)!
Why?
@@muhammadmannapov Why what? Please explain.
Why do you learn more than arch if you use arco
@@muhammadmannapov I mentioned Erik Dubois (ruclips.net/user/ErikDuboisfeatured) because he has created informative linux articles numbering in the thousands. He is a great teacher if you are interested in Arch but you will learn about many desktop environments, how to create your own iso, how to use the Calamares Installer with Arch, etc. Take a look at the website (www.arcolinux.info/).
Everybody with twitter report the fake account, maybe they will take it down.
@dsfadsfgafgf probably deliberate typo
@dsfadsfgafgf given that dt uses windowmanagers (wm) all the time i really thought that was deliberate. lol
Artix has to put in a non-trivial amount of work to remove systemd, and provide 3 init systems.
The main purpose of Arco Linux is that it is a learning distro for Arch. Nonetheless I use Arco Linux D for my main production machine. Eric Dubois produces tons of videos about arch. When you see many of these videos you really learn a lot and you get a huge amount of information for solving many problems in arch.
I've been using Arco the last year and it's pretty good. I decided to try it when I saw you were using it. Thax a lot
Great to hear!
I've been running Arco for a year.. I hopped through a ton of distros before finding Erik's i3 Mint installation script, and it was a gimme to switch to Arco since I really can't stand Ubuntu-based. It puts most other distros to shame. It's that simple, but there's no accounting for taste.
Artix by default uses Gentoo’s OpenRC init system over SystemD, as SystemD has far too much built in (see Clear Linux for 100 things you didn’t know SystemD could do).
Artix is designed to be a base distro like Arch itself. It also is built weekly, so yes it is active.
Note that I’m a Gentoo user, so it’s not my main distro.
Is it an article?
It is a linux distro which uses features of SystemD, many of which were known to nobody before then.
I don’t think so, but LiLo (or ELiLo) and SysLinux should work.
im not a fan of just calling artix a "protest" distro. you're not protesting against systemd, what does it even mean to protest against systemd, you're using an init system that you like
The systemd debate is a formidable example how nowadays even the slightest criticism on or disagree with anything is deemed »hate« and making use of freedom of choice you (still) have is deemed »protest«.
The systemd issue has been concerning me a lot lately, and surely not because I »hate« systemd. I'm considering switching from Arch to Artix myself. And this is by far not a protest.
We might actually assume that it's absurd how Arch is considered a distro for the knowledge user, but then, the knowledge user is left with no choice on the init system. This is rubbish.
I love Arch, but this one criticism I have is a legit and a strong one for sure.
Good said. It is about choice and it would be preferable that archlinux let me choose. I have a machine with arch at the moment, but is because I chose that. I did not chose artix I chose the init system.
Arco is a really good distro.
Hey DT, I fully agree with you about Arco completely. Me only having one physical machine for playing with Linux means, I run mainline Arch (i3) as the main desktop but dual booting with ArcoLinuxB Xtended because of that glut of tiling wm managers. By the way you are the one who have inspired to look deeper into more tiling window managers like Xmonad and Qtile.
LOL literally my question watching yesterday's video.
Same, I went researching yesterday to why he would do that. I figured maybe that's why, but nice to get a confirmation to why he chooses that.
Hey, DT, are xou a buddhist?
Writing that question down...
I’m sure DT isn’t submitting to such a mainstream religion such as Buddhism. I bet he’s a Zoroastrian. 😝
I do totally agree on ArcoLinux. I have just replaced it with the now unfortunately discontinued ArchDeepin (which is based on ArchBang) and went on to try ArcoLinux B Deepin. This thing is just a beauty.
Sure, some people call this a beginners distro but I beg to differ. The beauty about Arch and Linux in general is that a good distro gives you freedom of choice. If you are a noob you can feel at home and if you are some super hacker you can feel at home either way.
Now whilst I am perfectly capable to install a Linux system the CLI way only, I don't see why I should as my needs are not that special that I would have to go through all this procedure. Whilst - and I am not trying to make Arch look bad in any way here by saying this - Gentoo for example at least gives me the advantage to compile stuff from scratch, using my custom CFlags and so on - well I even fixed this one with a rather simple bash script.
So ArcoLinux is saving me tons of time while giving me the same if not even better experience and I can still do everything I want like I would be able to on any other Arch System thanks to being fully compatible.
Now with Artix I beg to differ as for the compatibility part. Mostly you are right but because it is a non-systemd distro forget about things like getting the eg. AMD Ryzen optimized kernel from the AUR, they just won't work and the ones that are available to you are rather outdated and kind of defy the whole purpose of running such a bleeding edge distro like Arch. Now I don't hate systemd but I would in principle prefer something like OpenRC when it comes to boot times and some other things. However, compatibility is key and wins so Artix is out as far as I am concerned and to be fair it doesn't seem to be anyway as greatly maintained as ArcoLinux is.
So to make a long story short, why would I want to invest a whole afternoon or so into a simple Linux installation when I can do the same with ArcoLinux in about 10-15 minutes?
I come here to hear my day-to-day dosis of "proprietary garbage". You never disappoint 🤣🤣
I post to LBRY a week before I do on RUclips so there's an incentive to use LBRY.
that haircut of yours changed my life 😂 so much so, I am also sporting the COVID19 cut too brrrrroooooo
Arco is an excellent distribution, and I think you are spot on when you say it fills a specific purpose. A quick easy install of Arch, with a TWM and customised exactly how one wants, plus regular updates and improvements is hard to beat :-) Great support community as well. Thanks for all your work on one of the best linux channels.
PeerTube is compatible with object storage providers like S3, so all of your videos do not have to be "on that server": docs.joinpeertube.org/#/admin-remote-storage
I made a repository that was meant to serve the dotfile sharing purpose. I guess early bird gets the worm! But I will definitely support this guy or gal!
You totally forgot PCLinuxOS. It doesn't use systemd and you get to the end of installation easily.
Hey DT, you're the reason I switched to wm after being a long time Ubuntu user! Qtile rocks! You rock!
You awesome distrotube. :).
> Answers Peertube question thousands of times
> Answers one more time
Ah yes that oughta cover it
I was distro hopping a lot but stopped at MX linux it's fast, clean and stable.
Yeah, me too. Great tools too. I love all the things they give you.
Great to see fans of MX, I love it too, most of the time in fluxbox on MX.
There are two great Linux channels Luke Smith and EF Tech made simple.
not as fast as other distros
man arco linux with qtile is PERFECT!!!!
Agreed
I love Linux and love watching content on RUclips, really want to try a window manager but not really ready to make the switch just yet but on my main P.c I've tried to make it behave like a window manager by putting things like rofi on it and removing the menu button. Got the idea from a video you did but can't find that video anymore for some reason
I switched to Linux because of frustration with Windows, but when I switch I needed to learn more about Linux. That is why I follow this channel and other similar channels to learn some new tricks to use on my Linux computer. And going back to Windows is not option... Like the channel, because of its nice quality content. 👍🏻
To learn about Linux you also have to learn about systemd which is a lot.
@Peter Andrijeczko You can do that now. But the pace systemd is expanding the protest distros will be too much to maintain. And compiling every program is not ideal for everyone. Then you realize that it's not Linux that you love its the UNIX philosophy and freedom you get. How many users do you think know about the kernel(which is called Linux, the rest is just coreutils and moslty systemd nowdays)? Even gentoo users mostly know about the parameters that kernel takes thats it. When systemd handles everything I will move to another OS like BSD.
Isn't RUclips proprietary software?
Arco GNU+Linux is the most unnecessary distribution. It's literally just an Arch install script made into a distribution.
Also, why do you think of non-systemd distros as mere "protest distros"? That is quite an underhanded insult, just because some people want a less bloated, portable, and faster init system.
yes still don't know why that exists. you can do the same and better reading the wiki
It’s also an issue of freedom and choice. There is nothing wrong with systemd if it serves your purpose. I use systemd based distros on all my servers, but not on my personal machines. If you want choice, you should consider the alternatives.
@@stephenjames5745, my problem with systemd is how quickly and deeply entrenched it has become in the GNU+Linux Operating System.
It is inherently unportable, uses GNU+Linux-specific APIs, it suffers from heavy mission creep and code bloat, and it implements everything on top of systemd (itself).
For instance, some software, most notably GNOME, has a soft (runtime) dependency on systemd, meaning that projects may unknowingly sometimes rely on systemd.
The developers also have a very bad design ethos, "We do what we want and all the distros will accept it anyway." They have been deliberately unsupportive of other OSs, and the Unix Philosophy.
The monolithic nature of systemd means that all its components must be installed for it to function, and systemd modules like systemd-homed are not implemented portably, as an extension to POSIX (like GNU programs are, for instance), but instead on top of this huge systemd base. This drastically increases the system's surface area, thus making it more susceptible to exploitation. It also means that it is becoming harder and harder not to use it, thus forcing social pressure to switch.
That isn't to say it's bad, per se, I used it for over a year without issue, but it seems to be going into a downward spiral. If it was just a parallel startup addition to the system like it was originally intended to be, then I would love it, but it quickly surpassed that goal and began piling on the bloat.
systemd is just that; a **system** daemon. This is fundamentally against the Unix Philosophy. It tries to do everything. systemd is not an init system any more. It is a pervasive ``system layer'' if you will, which is ever-increasing in size and scope.
systemd does everything in one place, and it is a single point of failure.
It's also slower than runit or OpenRC; I know OpenRC has (unstable) parallel boot at the moment, and all the claimed features of systemd are available in standalone daemons.
Just to give an example of how unsalvageable systemd is in it's current state, I currently have it installed on my system and it does all of the following:
- init
- network time protocol for syncing time
- randomising MAC address
- service management
- home user management
This behaviour should not be done in one place. systemd modules are not true modules. You cannot install them onto a system without the heavy systemd base. They only work with the rest of systemd. They are not standalone.
The next time I fresh install, I'm going to use OpenRC and port my dotfiles to it. systemd is not horrible, it's just not very good. I hope that once systemd swallows up all userspace GNU functions, people will have a good, long, and hard look at the system, and wonder whether the Unix-like GNU+Linux has become a monolithic Windows-like systemd+Linux.
Only time will tell. I'm sticking to OpenRC, I might give runit a try, and OpenBSD's init scripts might be worth a shot.
Edit: added sentence.
Gabriel Williams I absolutely agree. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Biggest thing impress me with Arco are all those scripts they have. Very easy to edit the scripts, to make it do what you want it to do. The best scripts written I think.
Honestly, if I was in your shoes I'd prove those sites are yours. The damage that could be done by the imposters would keep me up at night. Your younger fans will thank you one day
Or he just could create an account with dt official or something like that an post a video saying he's not active in twitter and that's it.
I love my Ergodox-EZ! I got mine right around the time you got yours. My boss and team lead both had their own, and I had to try it. When I switched I also switched to the Colemak layout. I'm not sure that I would recommend the latter, as I actually type slower, but it is more comfortable for sure.
After the switch to Colemak I'm consistently baffled by the qwerty positions when I have to use it. Looking at the home row like "Can I buy a vowel?"
@@RosalioRedPanda No vowels for you, but here's a semicolon!
This is true, never heard of qtile until I saw your videos. Now some my machines use qtile. Thank you!
with arco linux currently on my main laptop, I wouldn't recommend it as an introduction to an arch like enviroment. I would recommend a manual arch install, mainly for the ability to learn about your system as you set it up
The Jupiter Broadcasting crew was the default Linux hotness for years
Hey DT! Thanks for fulfilling two big archetypes. You're the Bob Ross of Linux RUclipsrs in my eyes, and you're one of the primary influencers in the decision, back in 2018, to switch over to Linux. Thank you so much for the Command Line Shenanigans video, while fun, is relaxing enough to pass out to at the end of the night.
I know this is an old video but for anybody curios enough: LBRY is not youtube.
Now, that may seem obvious but this is why I mention it: if you edit video for youtube and upload that very same video to LBRY, you are making life harder for anybody who wants to watch your stuff in LBRY because the of how the video is encoded, so if you make a video with 8000 mbps over in LBRY it's going to be hell to stream it.
The few videos that I do have on LBRY were encoded for 2400 mbps and that's the only I managed for the videos to load fast enough for the end user, they videos do have some graphic glitches but...HEY!
Hey dt, do you have to use java script or even proprietary java script to host videos online? Because basically all the RUclips alternatives I see: PeerTube, LBRY, and how you host videos on your website, all include not only java script but also non-free java script (detected by GNU LibreJS addon that I use on IceCat). I remember that I watched some video of Richard Stallman on the FSF website and that definitely didn't require non-free java script and I think it actually didn't require java script at all, so it seems to me that it should be possible to host videos without java script or at least without proprietary java script. Btw, why do you have so much non-free java script in your website? Is that only because of the videos or also other parts of the website?
Hey DT, been watching your videos for a while now. I really appreciate what you do. I love GNU/Linux, but I do use Windows heavily. I manage and maintain several hundred computers, websites, servers, switches, routers, etc. I've tried to use Linux where I can (mostly with websites), but one thing I've always wanted the Linux community to do is not reject Windows so severely. I get the whole proprietary software argument, but I wish the Linux community had more experience with Windows for the specific reason of improving GNU/Linux. The tools that Microsoft has developed (or acquired) are so far above the tools I've encountered in the Linux realm. I would love to be able to setup a file server for my clients running Linux, but geez, the headache involved in doing so pales in comparison to a Windows Server license.
Am I crazy for thinking that one day Linux will be on par with Windows server as a viable alternative? I would love to be able to install a vanilla distro and get things like joining a Microsoft Active Directory, or being able to configure the things found in File Server Resource Manager, like storage reports, storage quotas, usage authorization, access control, etc. I feel like with Linux all I do is hit brick walls. Not trying to slam the Linux community at all but man I wish similar tools existed in the Linux realm that were easy to configure, easy to install/use, and easy to maintain.
lol never heard of hosting your own server? download apache pal, and buy some hard disks. no excuse not to use peertube. how lame.
You just sold me Arco, I'm trying it in a VM right now. Might be life changer as well, never used Arch (tho I used manjaro) and a Tiling WM before
The devs are mostly on holiday for a bit, but there are always peeps on discord if you have questions. We love problem solving.
@@thenextpoetician6328 thanks!
@@ulqi You're welcome. PeterD's hybrid is gorgeous, btw. I run it in VB. Might be worth a look even if just for kicks, same as the Hefftor Editions.
read the wiki and install pure arch. you can do that in half an hour or less
THEY HAVE their policies though, just like you have your likes n dislikes. So here is the dealio with that...CAN YOU BE persuaded to perhaps EVOLVE? Well of coarse you can...so likewise you have to explain EXACTLY what you just explained to all of us about their policies to the ones that have the power to make an exception in your case and VET the IMPOSTER out for proof...seriously, you know they have their policies, and you even know what many/most of them are...just explain it the same way you did to us in the video and it should ALSO make perfect sense to them to make an exception and ask the scammer (or whatever they are) to prove their account because they have received complaints about impersonation towards another content creator.
The Blue Screen of Death was my main Linux influencer but I must say my first love was windows95 it was fascinating. Yeah the ques that got me to this video was: Whats the difference between Arco Linux & Arch.
I had fun with Artix Linux, and they have an i3 default release in testing, so after I'm done testing Void Linux, I'll give that a go in a VM.
yeah arcolinux!!! my favorite distro for 20 months now.
I really enjoy open source OS. I am new to Arch based linux I'm test driving Endeavour OS at the moment. I love Linix Mint and Ghost BSD along with Mac Ventura
I tried arco and its amazing how completely dogshit and bloated it is compared to any other distro I've used. if you want a 'pure arch with an installer', go with Endeavor. Arco is a complete mess.
If you want to learn arch, then go use arch. Don't use a hastily put together mess that'll make everything 100x more confusing with an installer thats incapable of remembering what you checkmarked.
~10 minutes of your video is about....who cares. When posting video about certain topic.... talk about it. Arco Linux might be great for real Linux experts, that is fine, but for most of the people who are not experts and might not know what they want (application wise), IMHO, it is better to install "bloated" distro, look around it and remove what the do not need. I like your channel and watch a lot of it. Great work.
Man, I completely agree about the the Twitter and Facebook privacy issues. All aside from the data mining and selling your info to anyone who wants it. These platforms are inherently like opening you up as a book in ways that are often not thought of. Take for instance, you might be applying for a job and are a front-runner for the position. It is not unheard of for an HR dept worker to ping you on FB or some of the others just to use the platform as an added character witness and they, for example, find pictures of you and other marijuana advocates smoking a joint or maybe find a quote that paints you in a less-than-favorable political light. They aren't supposed to discriminate in many ways however some do and your resume finds it's way toward the bottom of the deck. It's one example but why mess with these sites when they seldom do most people any good? I've never been on FB and no longer even open my Twitter acct. YT is pretty much it for me and I try to be neutral as I can be. Thanks for the topic!
Hi distro, in fact for social media, the fact you have to proove you are you is weird, but imagine tomorrow, somebody decided to arras you and contact RUclips and say, I'm distrotube, the guy on the screen isn't me, delete this account... You should appreciate that a AI ( in my opinion that the way.😃) decides to analyse something that proove the complainant is false.
But I agree, in think it's to sell something afterwards.
I'm very grateful for Arco since it is pacman based distribution that my girlfriend can easily use right away. So we can share some configs and such. That's a pure romance.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 so you dont use peertube because they make you pay to serve Your own content? of course if You have to pay to serve your own content, as you learned, its expensive, yet you want to use youtube for their free serving of Your content and then ask people to pay you? if you want to run a legit business and not be an employee of youtube, which you are, then you have to pay for your own business expense, including the storage and costs associated with serving the content to All your fans.
as someone who has done podcasting in the past and PAID for everything involved including hosting and storage of my podcasts content, and never asked for any money, i can see that youtubers dont have a clue how much it actually cost to run their channels. and as you proved, none of you could be doing this without youtubes free services.
i've installed arco with twice with the advanced search. i'm curious to know what environment or wm it gives you after the simple install. does anyone know?
I wish that things posted had "expiration dates". Something said about Arco - two years old MIGHT not still be correct today.
Arcolinux is the best. you can tried also Arcolinux hefftor a good spin.
Can you do a recap of the Tom from OSGUI vs Jordan from This Week is Linux?
wow 8 ads in 27 mins well no thanks .
im gonna go construction cone on this one
RUclips is doing something different with their default ad settings these days. I removed all the mid-roll ads. Not sure why YT thinks anyone needs that many ads in one video.
i'm a brave browser user no ads seen here and on any channel of course keep using the last version
@@DistroTube because MONEY (for them that is). i mean ad blockers are a thing (just not in the yt app (android, which i happened to use). btw the construction cone does miracles.
You don't know about adblockers??