When I asked about the best way to request an update, even to sponsor someone’s time the project lead told me to fix it myself or keep quiet. That the sheer act of asking about it would ruin their day. It reeked of burnout and his reaction like I was coming to stomp and demand work when I was asking about approaches bordered on toxicity. I ended up leaving OpenSuse out of disgust, not necessarily the out of date library. It’s great if you stay on the happy path and others have been really helpful.
The person you reference may have been having a bad day, I am sure if this was a normal response from him, he wouldn't be a project lead, he would have been ran off. It's not nice to be on the receiving end of someones "bad day", but keep in mind we have all had bad days.....
Lol, I recently got an update for Fedora bug report I made 1+ years ago telling me my bug report was being closed because fedora 39 is EOL. It got one reply by a dev a few days after posting, but then nothing.
I saw it a couple times, and generally don’t like how some of the internal rebranding stuff is being handled. They pretend to solicit feedback and then still go in their own direction. The atomic spin names are ridiculous seemingly just following Fedora while at the same time Fedora is renaming theirs to be more clear. In a time of needing direction and clarity, they seem to be going about it all wrong.
openSUSE has always made the user love the OS, and then one day something happens, and you're off looking for a new distro. A few years later you'll miss Opensusek, return, love it, and then the bullshit happens again.
this is very accurate i started with Opensuse years ago then stopped using it. then i went back to it years later and An update with suse TW broke stuff i use on the daily for gaming and it made me ragequit and i went crawling back to windows. I had been using Opensuse TW for 8 months. I've tried them all: bazzite, ubuntu etc none felt like home to me so after being left unsatisfied, i stopped using linux on my desktop pc.
SUSE asked OpenSUSE to rebrand, and there's a lot of movement on the governance side of the project where they were asked to return to the community for a restructuring. So, maybe it is time to give them space and time for the contributors to sort the restructuring clusterfuck and try again once the dust has settled.
on opensuse tumbleweed you need to install the nvidia 560 cuda driver from the oss repo because it for some odd reason is in the open source software repo now and the nvidia repo the wiki wants you to use is super outdated
The timing of this is really funny. I switched to tumbleweed 6 months ago after watching your videos. I had some issues last week with tumbleweed i couldnt solve until a reformat. It turns out an update broke luks encryption + systemd-boot. I also had troubles with installing nvidia drivers, but after the reformat, i installed 560 drivers from OBS and things are running great with my eGPU. I was pretty close to distro hopping but btrfs was definitely one of the things that stopped me. Being able to rollback during those boot issues was a savior because i had little time until a deadline.
I agree 100% with the Nvidia drivers on OpenSuse. I used it as my first linux distro thanks to your videos and loved it. But the lackluster packages and some weird decisions made me switch. I am now happy on NixOS, but your bluefin review was incredible and if I were to switch, it would totally be to that!
Same, only I went to Arch Linux personally. I think just finding that distro which is not created in a way that is antithetical to your hardware and sticking by it is the way to go.
You probably shouldn't be using Linux in the first place if you are not prepared to face the occasional problem and put in your own time, effort and research into trying to resolve it. And don't forget that the moment you go back to Windows and Mac then you've sacrificed any privacy you gained by using Linux.
I just use windows VM’s for stuff I 100% can’t use on Linux. I had to use Visio for a school project, in hindsight there was probably a simple Linux alternative 😂 It’s super rare that I ever have to do that. With stuff like Docker and Virtualization, you don’t really need to stick with any OS at all. You can even set up file sharing between your host machine and a VM and you can set up volumes in Docker with the -v flag.
Yes, but in case I ever need to do fresh install, it takes time to set it up the way I like to have it. I do minimal net install and use IceWM with X11.
@@leopard3131 I know. It's still a pain everytime to install the correct codecs. I never know if i miss something and online different sites will say different ways of installing codecs This is one of those things, i like distros to just do it for me
Funny, I left Fedora 41 to go on Tumbleweed because of the issues between the Driver 560, the Wayland implementation in Fedora which was not good with my RTX 4090. And since bluefin is based on this.. When I say not good, I am talking about crashes, issues with the display and so on .. Tumbelweed and the 550 driver have been good for me.
No matter what distro or OS - always have an incremental backup, not on the same disk - that you can restore from and by selecting different points back in time. It is a life-saver.
Hang in there with your Suse experiment. Ive enjoyed watching your journey and im learning all kinds of useful things as you struggle and then solve each hurdle.
@@thingsiplay not really, I have been using Windows my entire life with zero issues. it was broken because I was a fancy kiddo daily super admin account that I am not supposed to be using for 6~7 years.
Same thing for me, it made me drop openSUSE. They don't update the Nvidia driver to the latest release, and yes you can install but it's like 50/50 if it actually works that way. Meanwhile I still couldn't use Wayland when explicit sync drivers had been in beta then released, and they were still on the old 550 drivers months later. I moved to Arch (more specifically CachyOS) which is a great distro with optional Snapper support, but it's nowhere near as well integrated as SUSE. That's about the only thing I really miss though, well that and I actually liked zypper even if it's slow.
OpenSuse Leap 15.6 there, From May/june 2024 beta stage to full stable upfrade, nvidia 1660s, many hardware like camlink 4k usb, Behringer audio interface and other - 0 issues. Most software from Flatpak - ill make 6 movies per week, tests, vms - vbox, vmware, shotcut, davinci Resolve - all just work.. the best system i ever use...❤❤❤ 3900x btw. I know one - i getup morning, turn on machine ale it will work. I don't use pakman - flatpak works perfect
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed while being a rolling release it is still getting packages late because they prefer stability so packages are in testing way longer than in distros like Arch. Also getting Nvidia drivers to work on Linux in general is absolute pain the ass if it's not pre packaged by a distro. So It's very possible that even the maintainer(s) for the nvidia driver in OpenSUSE might be having problems getting the thing to freaking work so they can package it.
I will say, a few months ago I watched and responded to your video about how I installed openSUSE on a whim while I waited to do a full gentoo install. I finally got around to installing gentoo and absolutely love it, but at this point my honest stance is that they are the two best distros for someone comfortable with Linux, but occupying opposite ends of the DIY vs “out of the box” experience. I have also used arch and void on the diy side and used Ubuntu and Fedora between 2010-2016. I don’t know if distribution hopping will ever truly end but I think at this point and time openSUSE and Gentoo are both rock solid.
The thing is Matt: Tumbleweed isn't bleeding edge like Arch it's leading edge. About the proprietary driver thing: I guess you can just fix this by either going with manual installers or building a rpm.... The audacity issue sounds more like a package version bug rather than a Tumbleweed specific issue, and davinci resolve just isn't supported on anything else than Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
So, we need something more stable than Fedora? But I love the package versions with Fedora. Hmm. I would need a working, stable distro, but with latest packages. Is something like that even available? I'm on Fedora for about a year or a bit more, now.
@@jozsefk9 how would you expect a distro comprised of thousands of latest versions of packages to be consistently stable?.... It's not like every single developer of every single package constantly tests all edge cases with every single change
@jozsefk9 Trust me there's nothing. I thought I'd like rhel9 or Debian stable but rhel 9 lacks too many packages, which will either bloat your system with lots of flatpaks or you'd have to build your own rpms, which will take ages to get right, and then you would have to maintain them yourself. Debian just has weird settings for some stuff (vim for example) uses sudo instead of wheel /media instead of /run and had lots of other issues also Debian just isn't cool.
I ran Tumbleweed for 10 months and like you was very happy with it. Then one day, it just would not boot. Now, I still have that one application I need that only runs on Windows, for I dual boot with Win 10, and the computer would just go straight into Win 10. No Tumbleweed boot, and I could not even select the Tumbleweed drive in bios/efi boot! It was just gone. The drive was still there, I could see everything using a live-usb distro, but no bootloader. So, I reinstalled, and although I got boot back, the boot would hang. Again nothing I did got past that issue, so I gave up and installed Garuda. BTRF & nVidia just work OOB :) I've since found the cause of my reinstall issues - openSUSE has an issue installing if you use Ventoy (they simply say Ventoy is not recommended). Easy fix once you know how, but too late now I have Garuda set up. All my other computers run some variant of Arch (mainly EndeavourOS, also Xero) so Garuda makes a more consistent environment. Still, I'd love to know why Tumbleweed went bye-bye in the first place...
@@jackthatmonkey8994 I've dual booted for years, never had an issue that I could blame Windows for. I had Linux on a separate drive which Windows never touched. This happened around the same time as the openSUSE rebrand.
@@jackthatmonkey8994 For dual/multi-booting it is usually better to install each bootloader on their on disk - or at least their own partition - for this reason
@@jackthatmonkey8994 Maybe, but I've been doing it this way for 20 years - two drives, Win boot on one & Linux boot on the other - and while I have not always got it working easily, once working it has always stayed that way. This machine has a dodgy BIOS - I occasionally have to remove the battery & reset it :( so I'm blaming that.
12:42 yes, you get it! Maybe you can reflect eventually and make sure the distro you're using is the best option. Suse has YAST still I'm sure, which makes it easier to manage your system. You got this man. By the way, sorry if I've been a jerk before, it's been a rough year in general. Anyway, I'm glad you're ready to buckle down and settle on a system you really like.
@@Tragicomedy2137 What's wrong with APT? Works great for me. I always just use Synaptic Package Manager without any issues. Plus nala is awesome over apt alone. Being behind a few package version, never was a issue with me. MX does keep some packages up to date over Debian package versions. aptitude is a secret weapon to search for things and helps on top of dependency for older packages. Been with Debian(APT) on day one and that was 21 years ago.
Been running openSUSE since about 6 months now. Two issues I am running into: For the life of me, I simply cannot connect my Sony Linkbuds S through Bluetooth. The setup would fail every single time. Never had that issue with any other Distro. The other problem is WAY more annoying and I can't really figure out why: under KDE, the RAM would slowly but steadily fill up over time until the computer locks up and I can't do anything anymore. The only thing that helps is a hard reboot. This seems to be related to KDE in combination with Firefox, but I am having trouble pinpointing it. It almost looks like the memory occupied by tabs that I had open is not being released when they are closed or something like that. The same issue does not occur when using GNOME.
I was a distro hopper, until I landed on Debian stable with Xfce some 2500 days ago. (Not only because it is a good distro, but my personal situation changed just after I started using Debian and I needed to avoid the time and risk of unnecessary system changes.) I do like openSUSE's KDE implementation and defaults and Zypper is a pretty slick fork of YUM. (I don't care if they ever shared any source, it is very obvious from the UI that one was based on the other.)
Its great we so many fun options to play with! I was distrohopping pretty hard as well during the covid days. Then surprisingly i have stuck with Garuda gnome for two years now because of the out of the box btrfs rollback life, its soo good. Usually only do 1 update the beginning of the month and I am good to go. I will probably try something else out again down the road again someday...
Oh hey, someone else who happened to land on Garuda! I'm running the Dr460nised edition, so KDE Plasma, but themed beyond recognition. While I consider OpenSUSE Tumbleweed my backup for it, it has not broken on me and unless it does I will keep running Garuda too.
I was very happy with suse for around 20 years, but I've never needed the latest of everything. I moved away when they decided to move leap away from the traditional distro model, I've been quite happy with Fedora for the last three years.
Arch (and its derivatives) are the easiest distros to use. Literally every piece of software you could ever use is in the AUR. Idk why Arch is considered so hard to use.
@ yes, I’ve been using Linux for years. I run local LLM’s, I game on it (steam, Lutris, TONS of emulators), run docker containers, VMs, hell, Arch is literally the base of my IT/Cybersecurity homelab. Does it break sometimes, sure, but I can usually fix it with a Google search and a few commands.
@@Malix_Labs my comment got deleted, no clue why, but I’m just going to say that I use Arch for literally everything I do and I’m studying IT/Cybersecurity, so it’s a lot. I game on it, run tons of docker containers/VMs, local LLMs (mainly Skyrim’s herika mod), I actually have 2 GPUs and game in a VM with passthrough and that VM is also Arch. My hacking VMs are Manjaro though and so are all of my laptops, except my thinkpad, that dual boots arch and Manjaro. The Manjaro drive is for school and I have a bunch of software I use for projects and stuff, but I also use my Arch desktop for that too, simply because it’s hooked up to my 60” TV and my old 47” and my old 32”. It also runs i3 window manager, with XFCE as a base, because of how well XFCE’s themes and software work within i3.
@@Malix_Labs I have used other distros, but couldn’t stick with Linux until Manjaro, then ultimately Arch. I absolutely HATED Ubuntu, Debian, and even Fedora and SUSE. The AUR has EVERYTHING and every other distro only has some stuff in the repos.
After using distrobox on Fedora Silverblue for a few months, even though I am back on Arch, I still use it for tons of stuff. I think I will be a distrobox user from now on regardless of what distro I am using.
I never got distro box to work for me personally. I think appimage launcher (because opensuse doesn't have it) worked after a lot of pain and suffering, but was still a pain.
I learn from breaking things, not reading manuals. Back when I used DOS and early windows, I used to learn things. I haven't learned anything in a long time, until last month, when I decided to put linux on an old laptop.
That’s what will happen to all non atomic distros, you cannot guarantee a perfect state with normal distributions. Every time you install or upgrade a normal distro you forever change state, even rolling back is not perfect if it’s not immutable/atomic.
That's why i love CachyOS, always new drivers and that's a good thing, because wayland and Plasma 6 are moving too fast, to get stability in stable distros. 500 days is enough of a challenge.
I have an RX 6600. I’ve used Tumbleweed before. I wonder if I’ll have similar issues even with an AMD card. I’ve been looking at Tumbleweed and Fedora 41.
also wanted to mention it. The only problem is they still use ext4 by default for some reason, but at least switching to btrfs is a matter of one simple setting and not the actual manual partitioning. Since they've added this I think manjaro is probably the best "just works" distro out there
Is there a docker image for Audacity? I've been using Leap 15.6 with XFCE, for the last 2 months as a VM guest with a 2 core, and 2GB of RAM allotment on a 3rd Gen i5, with zram at 100% using zstd. It runs really well and is stable like you mentioned. The only change I made to the settings was - QXL video.
I don't matter what it is, no distro, no OS even is going to be perfect. Simply sounds like your use case has shifted and your rubbing up against the few rough edges in an otherwise perfectly decent OS. The real question is, does OpenSUSE provide enough benefits to stay rather than go elsewhere and likely still have these issues.
I just swapped from TW to Gentoo a week ago, having to get codecs, OBS, newer nvidia drivers and some other obscure programs from OBS (Build Service) pushed me away. Fantastic distro however once I realized I could setup snapper on other distros it made the switch a bit easier, just have to do a bit more manual work when you need to rollback is all.
so Garuda Linux is arch and it has btrfs setup with auto snapshots and i have all the drivers i want. give it a try and if u don't like look u can blow that away.
here's an idea to think about - what if, maybe, hear me out, this isn't an opensuse problem per ce, but more general overarching linux problem? which is - every one on any system will have one or another or several distro and hardware and software specific problems. always. so at the end of the day it's just a huge wack-a-mole where you run from one seemingly random problem on one distro to get some other issue on another distro? and that is why, my friends, linux isn't ready. because for every problem there will be 10 people around saying "idk, man, works for me", but in reality each of them will have some other persistent issue they've learned to morph their life around.
I feel like a special little flake now. I’m a new Linux and arch user (btw) coming from Mac and Windows 10 and I started with setting up btrfs and timeshift, set it up with Grub on my desktop and systemd with Luks encryption on my laptop. It’s super awesome and took two reinstalls from scratch to learn the ins and outs, but now it feels super worth it.
die hard opensuse fan i love it. one day it just started giving me some problems, thought hmm why not just try something else out its been like 4 years on suse. i'm on bluefin now, i did go base silverblue which is nice, but the ublue guys really just add everything needed and make it work. as much as i love suse i think the rebranding and all that is just making things a little rough, so bluefin it is for now
You are not having an OpenSUSE issue, you are having a Linux issue. Distro really does not matter. Not one disto will have 100% compatibility with everything. You have the classic "grass is always greener" attitude.
It's not just grass is always greener when you have legitimate gripes with how one distro does something vs another though. Some distros will work better than others with certain hardware & for various usage cases due to better package and driver availability. As the video explains, openSUSE is just not there for many nVidia users because of the outdated drivers. If their hardware or usage cases need the latest, then openSUSE is not for them.
I triple boot so I bounce from OS to OS. Suse is one. Mainly it blocks unwanted intrusions. It does that effectively especially since one OS is Windows. So I can get my manufacturers drivers. My bootloader is musical chairs.
CachyOS has Snapper out of the box as well and it's Arch based. I have been concurrently using Tumbleweed and it on separate machines for months on end, both AMD and Nvidia/Intel. OpenSUSE's packaging of Nvidia drivers is not the best. They're stuck on 550 for proprietary and supposedly they have the open modules for the 560 driver but I could not get that to work. The libraries also do weird things with fonts in WINE whereas I have not had that issue on CachyOS.
It's always driver issues...never fails imo. Like right now I've got no sound on my laptop, and bluetooth just won't connect to my headphones so I'm back to wired. And that's on fedora, I'm sure it's not much better on suse or arch(which I would love to switch to arch but I like having graphical software discovery.....sure I could visit blogs but you'd think by now they'd have figured out how to get aur to play nice with the graphical centers....). One of these days I swear.....but I had no issue with my mb on my desktop when it was new so idk but that's usb audio
I spent a few months using openSuse a few years ago. One thing I noticed about it might not come up with most users. I don't use a swap partition, but I do use a swap file. If you want to create a usable swap file on openSuse, I discovered that openSuse does not like swap files created with fallocate, instead you must use dd. This is not actually a problem for me as I am quite confident about using dd. I have confidently destroyed my share of disks. I believe it has something to do with btrfs being the default filesystem on openSuse, For myself, I am more of a Linux traditionalist and prefer working with the ext4 file system. I have been using Debian for the past year or so, with the stumpwm window manager.
There is no such thing as the perfect OS/distro. Eventually, problems will occur. Nerds learn to fix problems. Davinci Resolve may be a flatpak issue as well. Do you really have an issue that is absolutely the fault of the distro? If so, is it a deal breaker? Matt, you're right. Stop complaining and fix the problems.
Meanwhile me on Fedora KDE spin on a very quirky hardware. Yeah, I have a sequence of bookmarks in my browser for installing it. After I do that though… it works.
I use, tumbleweed are good for me, I use a Nvidia GTX 1660, but can wait a bit longer for the new driver (maybe from 550 to 560). Beside drivers, some things are quite annoying using KDE.. For exemple, using the store you need put your password two times (when it a flatpack update), and the distro are not "really" intuitive for someone who will start to use linux (as a first distro). Maybe next year I will try Arch, Fedora not worked well for my hardware, Mint not work well fith flatpack (when I used it).. I can try and have a second distro but for productivity (and play games) for now Tumbleweed are fine for me.. Maybe slowroll in a near future can be better (6.13 kernel are promissing, when it come I will want to use, wideout wait for too long).
""""FOSS"""" where they deliberately obscure the source code as much as possible (they only provide it if you threaten them by email), and only made it available to begin with after a C&D from Mastodon.
I find it significant that many Linux users profess themselvers to be "distro hoppers". If Linux were ideal, why would you feel the need to change distos? I have tried many over the years and I think they all have their advantages and flaws. Personally, I think Void is probably the best combination of rolling release and stability.
Genuinely vanilla arch is the best desktop Linux distro. for anyone competent enough to do a manual install. If you can do the manual install or read the documentation to get it worked out, you probably will have a pretty good time. The only places I could see any other distro being an argument are for niche things or non desktop applications. Like if you run a server, Ubuntu or Debian because you don't want constant updates. If you have 30 computers that all need the same thing maybe nix. If you need even more customization maybe Gentoo. If you are a boomer, with no knowledge of how to use a computer maybe mint. But just for a normal desktop user that knows how to use the terminal. Every other choice is worse. Btw. If you try Gentoo. Do the normal Gentoo don't do red core. If you actually want to do any of the Gentoo stuff (optimizing and messing with flags) redcore just makes it more complicated.
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When I asked about the best way to request an update, even to sponsor someone’s time the project lead told me to fix it myself or keep quiet. That the sheer act of asking about it would ruin their day. It reeked of burnout and his reaction like I was coming to stomp and demand work when I was asking about approaches bordered on toxicity.
I ended up leaving OpenSuse out of disgust, not necessarily the out of date library. It’s great if you stay on the happy path and others have been really helpful.
Eeeww, that sounds gross. At least you know if that attitude continues, they won't last.
The person you reference may have been having a bad day, I am sure if this was a normal response from him, he wouldn't be a project lead, he would have been ran off. It's not nice to be on the receiving end of someones "bad day", but keep in mind we have all had bad days.....
Lol, I recently got an update for Fedora bug report I made 1+ years ago telling me my bug report was being closed because fedora 39 is EOL. It got one reply by a dev a few days after posting, but then nothing.
@@TheDrunkenAlcoholic how can you say that with Torvalds running the kernel? There's long running precedent for project leads throwing tantrums.
I saw it a couple times, and generally don’t like how some of the internal rebranding stuff is being handled. They pretend to solicit feedback and then still go in their own direction. The atomic spin names are ridiculous seemingly just following Fedora while at the same time Fedora is renaming theirs to be more clear.
In a time of needing direction and clarity, they seem to be going about it all wrong.
I knew it...Rule No1: Never trust when you pretend to have found the One.
Are you talking about distros or women? That advice is valid for both.
Never needed anything else after NixOS
@@iopquhm, "nazi" purge I think marked NixOS for me and many other peoples bad choice
Pop!_OS is still me home. 😂
@@iopqu"purge" maked by NixOS some time ago just makes NixOS leadership compromised for me and many other peoples.
Welcome back to Arch Linux.
@@TroubledTrooper darn thing works like Windows 11: updates also break Arch. I prefer real Linux, which is .deb
Why does this feels like a "breakup talk" ?
I really thought at the end of video he would say " sorry tumbleweed,its not you its me"
lol
openSUSE has always made the user love the OS, and then one day something happens, and you're off looking for a new distro. A few years later you'll miss Opensusek, return, love it, and then the bullshit happens again.
this is very accurate i started with Opensuse years ago then stopped using it. then i went back to it years later and An update with suse TW broke stuff i use on the daily for gaming and it made me ragequit and i went crawling back to windows. I had been using Opensuse TW for 8 months. I've tried them all: bazzite, ubuntu etc none felt like home to me so after being left unsatisfied, i stopped using linux on my desktop pc.
@@xycexyce7074 for me it is always packagekit and zypper (slow downloads and installs), that is why i moved to fedora
SUSE asked OpenSUSE to rebrand, and there's a lot of movement on the governance side of the project where they were asked to return to the community for a restructuring. So, maybe it is time to give them space and time for the contributors to sort the restructuring clusterfuck and try again once the dust has settled.
on opensuse tumbleweed you need to install the nvidia 560 cuda driver from the oss repo because it for some odd reason is in the open source software repo now and the nvidia repo the wiki wants you to use is super outdated
The timing of this is really funny. I switched to tumbleweed 6 months ago after watching your videos. I had some issues last week with tumbleweed i couldnt solve until a reformat. It turns out an update broke luks encryption + systemd-boot.
I also had troubles with installing nvidia drivers, but after the reformat, i installed 560 drivers from OBS and things are running great with my eGPU.
I was pretty close to distro hopping but btrfs was definitely one of the things that stopped me. Being able to rollback during those boot issues was a savior because i had little time until a deadline.
Same execpt slowroll has been great
I agree 100% with the Nvidia drivers on OpenSuse. I used it as my first linux distro thanks to your videos and loved it. But the lackluster packages and some weird decisions made me switch.
I am now happy on NixOS, but your bluefin review was incredible and if I were to switch, it would totally be to that!
Same, only I went to Arch Linux personally. I think just finding that distro which is not created in a way that is antithetical to your hardware and sticking by it is the way to go.
Agreed
I find what you describe as "cracks" are basically things that make people give up Linux altogether and go back to Mac or Windows.
You probably shouldn't be using Linux in the first place if you are not prepared to face the occasional problem and put in your own time, effort and research into trying to resolve it.
And don't forget that the moment you go back to Windows and Mac then you've sacrificed any privacy you gained by using Linux.
I just use windows VM’s for stuff I 100% can’t use on Linux. I had to use Visio for a school project, in hindsight there was probably a simple Linux alternative 😂 It’s super rare that I ever have to do that. With stuff like Docker and Virtualization, you don’t really need to stick with any OS at all. You can even set up file sharing between your host machine and a VM and you can set up volumes in Docker with the -v flag.
for me fedora is where i reached my stability. codecs missing is a pain, but almost everything else is just great
Yes, but in case I ever need to do fresh install, it takes time to set it up the way I like to have it. I do minimal net install and use IceWM with X11.
For me ALVR wouldn't work on Fedora and I found it a bit bloated, but Arch works phenomenally for me personally.
Fedora codecs are in rpmfusion
@@leopard3131 I know. It's still a pain everytime to install the correct codecs. I never know if i miss something and online different sites will say different ways of installing codecs
This is one of those things, i like distros to just do it for me
That’s why you use aurora/ bluefin. No need to worry about codecs and drivers
Funny, I left Fedora 41 to go on Tumbleweed because of the issues between the Driver 560, the Wayland implementation in Fedora which was not good with my RTX 4090. And since bluefin is based on this.. When I say not good, I am talking about crashes, issues with the display and so on .. Tumbelweed and the 550 driver have been good for me.
Thanks for your dedication with these long term reviews. Very informative.
No matter what distro or OS - always have an incremental backup, not on the same disk - that you can restore from and by selecting different points back in time. It is a life-saver.
@@moetocafe have you considered running an immutable OS ?
Hang in there with your Suse experiment. Ive enjoyed watching your journey and im learning all kinds of useful things as you struggle and then solve each hurdle.
i feel like no matter what distro you use after a long while there will be a bug you just cant fix anymore
True for every operating system.
If there's not a fix for a specific issue then there are usually workarounds.
@@thingsiplay not really, I have been using Windows my entire life with zero issues. it was broken because I was a fancy kiddo daily super admin account that I am not supposed to be using for 6~7 years.
If Audacity is so buggy, why don't you try Tenacity, fork of Audacity?
Same thing for me, it made me drop openSUSE. They don't update the Nvidia driver to the latest release, and yes you can install but it's like 50/50 if it actually works that way. Meanwhile I still couldn't use Wayland when explicit sync drivers had been in beta then released, and they were still on the old 550 drivers months later. I moved to Arch (more specifically CachyOS) which is a great distro with optional Snapper support, but it's nowhere near as well integrated as SUSE. That's about the only thing I really miss though, well that and I actually liked zypper even if it's slow.
I'll note that Garuda and CachyOS are both Arch based and come with BTFS and Snapper setup
OpenSuse Leap 15.6 there, From May/june 2024 beta stage to full stable upfrade, nvidia 1660s, many hardware like camlink 4k usb, Behringer audio interface and other - 0 issues. Most software from Flatpak - ill make 6 movies per week, tests, vms - vbox, vmware, shotcut, davinci Resolve - all just work.. the best system i ever use...❤❤❤ 3900x btw. I know one - i getup morning, turn on machine ale it will work. I don't use pakman - flatpak works perfect
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed while being a rolling release it is still getting packages late because they prefer stability so packages are in testing way longer than in distros like Arch. Also getting Nvidia drivers to work on Linux in general is absolute pain the ass if it's not pre packaged by a distro. So It's very possible that even the maintainer(s) for the nvidia driver in OpenSUSE might be having problems getting the thing to freaking work so they can package it.
arch nvidia drivers are really good, only behind ubuntu. that argument dont make sense
I will say, a few months ago I watched and responded to your video about how I installed openSUSE on a whim while I waited to do a full gentoo install. I finally got around to installing gentoo and absolutely love it, but at this point my honest stance is that they are the two best distros for someone comfortable with Linux, but occupying opposite ends of the DIY vs “out of the box” experience. I have also used arch and void on the diy side and used Ubuntu and Fedora between 2010-2016.
I don’t know if distribution hopping will ever truly end but I think at this point and time openSUSE and Gentoo are both rock solid.
Love your ramblings Matt.
The Rambling Cast xD
The thing is Matt: Tumbleweed isn't bleeding edge like Arch it's leading edge. About the proprietary driver thing: I guess you can just fix this by either going with manual installers or building a rpm.... The audacity issue sounds more like a package version bug rather than a Tumbleweed specific issue, and davinci resolve just isn't supported on anything else than Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
This is the exact type of thing I went through with Fedora. It was great until it went bonkers.
So, we need something more stable than Fedora? But I love the package versions with Fedora. Hmm. I would need a working, stable distro, but with latest packages. Is something like that even available? I'm on Fedora for about a year or a bit more, now.
@@jozsefk9 how would you expect a distro comprised of thousands of latest versions of packages to be consistently stable?.... It's not like every single developer of every single package constantly tests all edge cases with every single change
@@jozsefk9 try immutable\atomic distros. Universal blue's distros or VanillaOS for example.
@jozsefk9
Trust me there's nothing. I thought I'd like rhel9 or Debian stable but rhel 9 lacks too many packages, which will either bloat your system with lots of flatpaks or you'd have to build your own rpms, which will take ages to get right, and then you would have to maintain them yourself. Debian just has weird settings for some stuff (vim for example) uses sudo instead of wheel /media instead of /run and had lots of other issues also Debian just isn't cool.
@@jozsefk9Nix package manager works on every distro.
I ran Tumbleweed for 10 months and like you was very happy with it. Then one day, it just would not boot. Now, I still have that one application I need that only runs on Windows, for I dual boot with Win 10, and the computer would just go straight into Win 10. No Tumbleweed boot, and I could not even select the Tumbleweed drive in bios/efi boot! It was just gone. The drive was still there, I could see everything using a live-usb distro, but no bootloader. So, I reinstalled, and although I got boot back, the boot would hang. Again nothing I did got past that issue, so I gave up and installed Garuda. BTRF & nVidia just work OOB :) I've since found the cause of my reinstall issues - openSUSE has an issue installing if you use Ventoy (they simply say Ventoy is not recommended). Easy fix once you know how, but too late now I have Garuda set up. All my other computers run some variant of Arch (mainly EndeavourOS, also Xero) so Garuda makes a more consistent environment. Still, I'd love to know why Tumbleweed went bye-bye in the first place...
A dualboot with windows that breaks a linux install. Smells kinda like windows update being an absolute git
@@jackthatmonkey8994 I've dual booted for years, never had an issue that I could blame Windows for. I had Linux on a separate drive which Windows never touched. This happened around the same time as the openSUSE rebrand.
@@jackthatmonkey8994 For dual/multi-booting it is usually better to install each bootloader on their on disk - or at least their own partition - for this reason
Chance are that Windows is to blame.
I prefer Windows inside a VM, if Windows happens to be absolutely necessary.
@@jackthatmonkey8994 Maybe, but I've been doing it this way for 20 years - two drives, Win boot on one & Linux boot on the other - and while I have not always got it working easily, once working it has always stayed that way. This machine has a dodgy BIOS - I occasionally have to remove the battery & reset it :( so I'm blaming that.
12:42 yes, you get it! Maybe you can reflect eventually and make sure the distro you're using is the best option. Suse has YAST still I'm sure, which makes it easier to manage your system. You got this man.
By the way, sorry if I've been a jerk before, it's been a rough year in general. Anyway, I'm glad you're ready to buckle down and settle on a system you really like.
Garuda has btrfs assistant OOTB
Sadly perfect distro doesn't exist.
1000% its just a matter of finding what works best for your personal use case and using it. or hopping like a madman till ya find that lol
Azure Linux is perfect.
MX is prefect with tweaks. If you're not hungry for rolling releases.
@gimcrack555 I can't stand apt
@@Tragicomedy2137 What's wrong with APT? Works great for me. I always just use Synaptic Package Manager without any issues. Plus nala is awesome over apt alone. Being behind a few package version, never was a issue with me. MX does keep some packages up to date over Debian package versions. aptitude is a secret weapon to search for things and helps on top of dependency for older packages. Been with Debian(APT) on day one and that was 21 years ago.
I was looking at it. Thanks for the review.
Been running openSUSE since about 6 months now. Two issues I am running into: For the life of me, I simply cannot connect my Sony Linkbuds S through Bluetooth. The setup would fail every single time. Never had that issue with any other Distro.
The other problem is WAY more annoying and I can't really figure out why: under KDE, the RAM would slowly but steadily fill up over time until the computer locks up and I can't do anything anymore. The only thing that helps is a hard reboot. This seems to be related to KDE in combination with Firefox, but I am having trouble pinpointing it. It almost looks like the memory occupied by tabs that I had open is not being released when they are closed or something like that. The same issue does not occur when using GNOME.
I run Tumbleweed & the only distro problem I get is sometimes the GUI package installer breaks. Running sudo zypper dup always fixes that for me.
I was a distro hopper, until I landed on Debian stable with Xfce some 2500 days ago. (Not only because it is a good distro, but my personal situation changed just after I started using Debian and I needed to avoid the time and risk of unnecessary system changes.)
I do like openSUSE's KDE implementation and defaults and Zypper is a pretty slick fork of YUM. (I don't care if they ever shared any source, it is very obvious from the UI that one was based on the other.)
Debian stable and xfce for me too :)
Its great we so many fun options to play with!
I was distrohopping pretty hard as well during the covid days. Then surprisingly i have stuck with Garuda gnome for two years now because of the out of the box btrfs rollback life, its soo good. Usually only do 1 update the beginning of the month and I am good to go.
I will probably try something else out again down the road again someday...
Oh hey, someone else who happened to land on Garuda!
I'm running the Dr460nised edition, so KDE Plasma, but themed beyond recognition.
While I consider OpenSUSE Tumbleweed my backup for it, it has not broken on me and unless it does I will keep running Garuda too.
I was very happy with suse for around 20 years, but I've never needed the latest of everything. I moved away when they decided to move leap away from the traditional distro model, I've been quite happy with Fedora for the last three years.
In before Matt switches back to Arch
Arch (and its derivatives) are the easiest distros to use. Literally every piece of software you could ever use is in the AUR. Idk why Arch is considered so hard to use.
@@robotron1236 have you ever used anything else, or have you installed so much nothing that it never broke, genuinely ?
@ yes, I’ve been using Linux for years. I run local LLM’s, I game on it (steam, Lutris, TONS of emulators), run docker containers, VMs, hell, Arch is literally the base of my IT/Cybersecurity homelab. Does it break sometimes, sure, but I can usually fix it with a Google search and a few commands.
@@Malix_Labs my comment got deleted, no clue why, but I’m just going to say that I use Arch for literally everything I do and I’m studying IT/Cybersecurity, so it’s a lot. I game on it, run tons of docker containers/VMs, local LLMs (mainly Skyrim’s herika mod), I actually have 2 GPUs and game in a VM with passthrough and that VM is also Arch. My hacking VMs are Manjaro though and so are all of my laptops, except my thinkpad, that dual boots arch and Manjaro. The Manjaro drive is for school and I have a bunch of software I use for projects and stuff, but I also use my Arch desktop for that too, simply because it’s hooked up to my 60” TV and my old 47” and my old 32”. It also runs i3 window manager, with XFCE as a base, because of how well XFCE’s themes and software work within i3.
@@Malix_Labs I have used other distros, but couldn’t stick with Linux until Manjaro, then ultimately Arch. I absolutely HATED Ubuntu, Debian, and even Fedora and SUSE. The AUR has EVERYTHING and every other distro only has some stuff in the repos.
I believe Distrobox might be an excellent approach to resolving this issue, or perhaps simply setting it aside would be a prudent choice.
Yeah, it's weird that he didn't consider this, especially given his recent review of Bluefin.
After using distrobox on Fedora Silverblue for a few months, even though I am back on Arch, I still use it for tons of stuff. I think I will be a distrobox user from now on regardless of what distro I am using.
I never got distro box to work for me personally. I think appimage launcher (because opensuse doesn't have it) worked after a lot of pain and suffering, but was still a pain.
This is a driver issue. I don't think distrobox can solve this one.
I learn from breaking things, not reading manuals. Back when I used DOS and early windows, I used to learn things. I haven't learned anything in a long time, until last month, when I decided to put linux on an old laptop.
Manjaro takes snapshots out of the box with every update
That’s what will happen to all non atomic distros, you cannot guarantee a perfect state with normal distributions. Every time you install or upgrade a normal distro you forever change state, even rolling back is not perfect if it’s not immutable/atomic.
I'll tell you what it is.. you used Bluefin LOL. Universal Blue showed you what it COULD be like, and now you have higher expectations on OpenSuse
garuda does the snapshot stuff and does it p well tbh
I can't get OpenSuse 16 to install no matter what I do or how long I chant.
That's why i love CachyOS, always new drivers and that's a good thing, because wayland and Plasma 6 are moving too fast, to get stability in stable distros. 500 days is enough of a challenge.
I have an RX 6600. I’ve used Tumbleweed before. I wonder if I’ll have similar issues even with an AMD card. I’ve been looking at Tumbleweed and Fedora 41.
Manjaro comes with btrfs set up, making snapshots on each upgrade. But I've never tried to use a snapshot to rollback, just never had the need so far.
also wanted to mention it. The only problem is they still use ext4 by default for some reason, but at least switching to btrfs is a matter of one simple setting and not the actual manual partitioning. Since they've added this I think manjaro is probably the best "just works" distro out there
So does Garuda
Is there a docker image for Audacity?
I've been using Leap 15.6 with XFCE, for the last 2 months as a VM guest with a 2 core, and 2GB of RAM allotment on a 3rd Gen i5, with zram at 100% using zstd. It runs really well and is stable like you mentioned. The only change I made to the settings was - QXL video.
using manjaro for over a year now, probably going to steamos on full desktop release.
I don't matter what it is, no distro, no OS even is going to be perfect. Simply sounds like your use case has shifted and your rubbing up against the few rough edges in an otherwise perfectly decent OS.
The real question is, does OpenSUSE provide enough benefits to stay rather than go elsewhere and likely still have these issues.
I just swapped from TW to Gentoo a week ago, having to get codecs, OBS, newer nvidia drivers and some other obscure programs from OBS (Build Service) pushed me away. Fantastic distro however once I realized I could setup snapper on other distros it made the switch a bit easier, just have to do a bit more manual work when you need to rollback is all.
tumbleweed is not for workstations it is for developers, testers and gamers
I always went with Leap. No problems doing so.
Oh that's what I need. Programming and gaming, openSUSE tumbleweed seems to do the job.
so Garuda Linux is arch and it has btrfs setup with auto snapshots and i have all the drivers i want. give it a try and if u don't like look u can blow that away.
here's an idea to think about - what if, maybe, hear me out, this isn't an opensuse problem per ce, but more general overarching linux problem? which is - every one on any system will have one or another or several distro and hardware and software specific problems. always. so at the end of the day it's just a huge wack-a-mole where you run from one seemingly random problem on one distro to get some other issue on another distro? and that is why, my friends, linux isn't ready. because for every problem there will be 10 people around saying "idk, man, works for me", but in reality each of them will have some other persistent issue they've learned to morph their life around.
I think is the closest thing to solving this problem.
My honeymoon started about 45 minutes ago. Never ran this. I gotta see what the hype is all about.
I feel like a special little flake now. I’m a new Linux and arch user (btw) coming from Mac and Windows 10 and I started with setting up btrfs and timeshift, set it up with Grub on my desktop and systemd with Luks encryption on my laptop. It’s super awesome and took two reinstalls from scratch to learn the ins and outs, but now it feels super worth it.
As an Leap user wanna switch to Fedora KDE but my jobs do not allow me to do :(
no distro's perfect but Mint is my favorite, Fedora being a close 2nd.
Have you tried Garuda LTS/Xfce? In terms of snapper it is imho even better than opensuse.
This is primarily I can’t be bothered to fuck with linux anymore too many distros and it’s been nothing but HELL for me, I’m just done ..
It's a waste of time.
die hard opensuse fan i love it. one day it just started giving me some problems, thought hmm why not just try something else out its been like 4 years on suse. i'm on bluefin now, i did go base silverblue which is nice, but the ublue guys really just add everything needed and make it work. as much as i love suse i think the rebranding and all that is just making things a little rough, so bluefin it is for now
You are not having an OpenSUSE issue, you are having a Linux issue. Distro really does not matter. Not one disto will have 100% compatibility with everything. You have the classic "grass is always greener" attitude.
It's not just grass is always greener when you have legitimate gripes with how one distro does something vs another though. Some distros will work better than others with certain hardware & for various usage cases due to better package and driver availability. As the video explains, openSUSE is just not there for many nVidia users because of the outdated drivers. If their hardware or usage cases need the latest, then openSUSE is not for them.
This would be valid if the problem was unsolvable which is not the case.
Did you install the codecs on packman?
Just go with Gentoo and forget about it.
Time to move to OpenSuse MicroOs
Looks like that Davinci Resolve support is becoming an important factor when choosing a Linux distribution.
I triple boot so I bounce from OS to OS. Suse is one. Mainly it blocks unwanted intrusions. It does that effectively especially since one OS is Windows. So I can get my manufacturers drivers. My bootloader is musical chairs.
CachyOS has Snapper out of the box as well and it's Arch based. I have been concurrently using Tumbleweed and it on separate machines for months on end, both AMD and Nvidia/Intel. OpenSUSE's packaging of Nvidia drivers is not the best. They're stuck on 550 for proprietary and supposedly they have the open modules for the 560 driver but I could not get that to work. The libraries also do weird things with fonts in WINE whereas I have not had that issue on CachyOS.
Yeah. You got to create content. Make ends meet. I truly understand.
It's always driver issues...never fails imo. Like right now I've got no sound on my laptop, and bluetooth just won't connect to my headphones so I'm back to wired. And that's on fedora, I'm sure it's not much better on suse or arch(which I would love to switch to arch but I like having graphical software discovery.....sure I could visit blogs but you'd think by now they'd have figured out how to get aur to play nice with the graphical centers....). One of these days I swear.....but I had no issue with my mb on my desktop when it was new so idk but that's usb audio
I spent a few months using openSuse a few years ago. One thing I noticed about it might not come up with most users. I don't use a swap partition, but I do use a swap file. If you want to create a usable swap file on openSuse, I discovered that openSuse does not like swap files created with fallocate, instead you must use dd. This is not actually a problem for me as I am quite confident about using dd. I have confidently destroyed my share of disks. I believe it has something to do with btrfs being the default filesystem on openSuse, For myself, I am more of a Linux traditionalist and prefer working with the ext4 file system. I have been using Debian for the past year or so, with the stumpwm window manager.
I kenw it, I switched back to openSUSE and your gonna switch to CatcyOS. If you want anything close to stable on Arch, switch to Endeavour.
Has anyone been successful running resolve on any Linux distro? I hear nothing but complaints.
You lasted a lot longer than I had thought you would. I really liked openSUSE but downloading and updating software was a pain.
@@cejannuzi I’m not giving up yet. We’ll see
"ive been gazing longingly at Gentoo again" lol XD
Hahahaha this video made me LOL so many times. Well played Matt!
Garuda has BTRFS snapshots on the boot menu.
Are you going to give in to Gnome? That's what Bluefin comes with.
There is no such thing as the perfect OS/distro. Eventually, problems will occur. Nerds learn to fix problems. Davinci Resolve may be a flatpak issue as well. Do you really have an issue that is absolutely the fault of the distro? If so, is it a deal breaker? Matt, you're right. Stop complaining and fix the problems.
For me, bazzite has been a good home as the immutable and container thing works well for me
Audacity is in the OSS repo no need for a Flatpak.
So? Finaly back to debian?
I wonder if you make the full circle and end up on Ubuntu or Mint, eventually 😁
Meanwhile me on Fedora KDE spin on a very quirky hardware. Yeah, I have a sequence of bookmarks in my browser for installing it. After I do that though… it works.
I use, tumbleweed are good for me, I use a Nvidia GTX 1660, but can wait a bit longer for the new driver (maybe from 550 to 560).
Beside drivers, some things are quite annoying using KDE.. For exemple, using the store you need put your password two times (when it a flatpack update), and the distro are not "really" intuitive for someone who will start to use linux (as a first distro).
Maybe next year I will try Arch, Fedora not worked well for my hardware, Mint not work well fith flatpack (when I used it).. I can try and have a second distro but for productivity (and play games) for now Tumbleweed are fine for me.. Maybe slowroll in a near future can be better (6.13 kernel are promissing, when it come I will want to use, wideout wait for too long).
I have been on TW for a couple of years. So solid until now, no reason to change. But I am testing a VM with EndeavourOS and man... AUR is fantastic.
Looks like Arch is back on the menu boys!
Me too bro , just switched back to Ubuntu last night
File a bug report for the problems you have. Help making Linux better for everyone.
I am sure by the end of the challenge you have everything solved.
Did you know that Truth Social is a FOSS fork of Mastodon? 😂
@@robotron1236 that’s pretty interesting but can’t say I’m surprised either.
""""FOSS"""" where they deliberately obscure the source code as much as possible (they only provide it if you threaten them by email), and only made it available to begin with after a C&D from Mastodon.
10:23 Gentoo for the win!
Pop!_OS is knocking loudly
That's why I stick with Arch running BTRFS + timeshift (and downgrade from AUR) does everything to protect me.
Somehow, both Mint and MX do Nvidia just perfectly, but MX Tools is what I just love.
garuda also does btrfs well i didn't use suse so i can't say how it handle but for me garuda does very well
All distros have cracks like that, in some aspect or another, it's just where Linux is at in general, for now.
I find it significant that many Linux users profess themselvers to be "distro hoppers". If Linux were ideal, why would you feel the need to change distos? I have tried many over the years and I think they all have their advantages and flaws. Personally, I think Void is probably the best combination of rolling release and stability.
It's hard to hop between different versions of Wondows when there are none.
Genuinely vanilla arch is the best desktop Linux distro.
for anyone competent enough to do a manual install. If you can do the manual install or read the documentation to get it worked out, you probably will have a pretty good time.
The only places I could see any other distro being an argument are for niche things or non desktop applications. Like if you run a server, Ubuntu or Debian because you don't want constant updates. If you have 30 computers that all need the same thing maybe nix. If you need even more customization maybe Gentoo. If you are a boomer, with no knowledge of how to use a computer maybe mint. But just for a normal desktop user that knows how to use the terminal. Every other choice is worse.
Btw. If you try Gentoo. Do the normal Gentoo don't do red core. If you actually want to do any of the Gentoo stuff (optimizing and messing with flags) redcore just makes it more complicated.
Im on Arch with nvidia drivers 565.
Gentoo next?