The movie that killed 2d animation for DreamWorks
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2023
- Have you ever wondered why DreamWorks stopped making 2D animated movies? In this short video, we'll explore the answer and discover how the movie Sinbad Legend of the Seven Seas played a significant role in the decision. Join us as we dive into the box office flop that caused DreamWorks to lose over $125 million and ultimately led them to shift solely to 3D animated films.
Sinbad's animation went hard. Just imagine all the work that went into animating Eris' hair.
toe to toe with Treasure Planet, if you ask me
It's my childhood movie like bro stuff had real love in that
Eris was my childhood crush and her hair I think was the reason why. Like, damn it's smooth as hell!
Yasss 🤣🤣 love her hair
@shadowdroid776 you mean that literally 😢😂
Sinbad's animation was something that can't be replicated now, it was ahead of it's time
2D animation for sure! 3D animation wasn't astounding but it was fantastic for when it came out as well as with the general color palate of the movie!
@@MondoC
Prince of Egypt is a propaganda on how the Jews built the pyramids
We can definitely replicate it, but it definetely still holds up fairly well to the current standard of 2D animation.
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Clearly you never watched anime movies. Sure Sinbad for an American cartoon was good but nah it wasn't the best thing out there.
what??? how did it flop?! Sinbad is one of my favorite 2D Dreamworks movies!
As a kid when it came out, we were all fatigued from half baked, half adult adventure movies. Tarzan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Quest for Camelot, Prince of Egypt, El Dorado... then Emperor's New Groove put a twist on the trope but man, every movie was the same thing. And then we got Sinbad, another cultural legend rewritten, and after what Disney bastardized into Hercules? None of us were interested. Bland looking characters with the same Dreamworks face, a washed out palette, and 2D and 3D that did not blend whatsoever... it looked like El Dorado's cheap sequal in the ads. Oh, and 9/11 played into the whole anti- Middle East thing. The movie that changed it all up was Lilo and Stitch, not Sinbad and the sexy lady goddess and the sexy lady wearing pants in a historical setting smh...
It. Was. AWESOME!!!
i never knew they made a movie abt Sinbad
@@Undomaranel "none of us"
You and your small group of friends don't speak for everyone bro.
They said “it flopped at the box office” not “flopped because people thought it sucked”
Sinbad is underrated AF. I'm actually kind of mad that people don't appreciate it
Cats Don't Dance was another flop sadly. It had a 32 million budget with a 3.5 million box office. It hit me directly in the feels.
Its amazing. I am sad Zvolen that I didnt know about this when I was child but now that I heard about it I watched it and I LOVE it. More people should watch it. It has great story and amazing characters and Eris' hair, her hair is so beautifully animated. Love it 💖💖
@@tactknightgaming2066shout out to you for being the one other guy who knows wtf Cats Don't Dance is. Probably the greatest musical movie ever imo
Bro cat's don't dance! THAT WAS MY SHIT GROWING UP!@@tactknightgaming2066
Sinbad was actually really good though.
I agree. Its one of my favorites since childhood!
It's ahead of its time. Same with Treasure Planet
True
@@Levouni Same
@{The Autumn Wind} edgy do you even click it?.
I just saw"don't read my name" and my fingers tap on "report spam" instantly
Dreamworks made the Prince of Egypt and the road to El Dorado, those shows were 2D and they were Amazing
Dang I miss that era of animated movies. Those and Treasure Planet are some of my all time favorites 💔
@@deepsea5348 treasure planet was fucking awesome. Morph was my favorite
Same with "Joseph: King of Dreams".
@@shademournthepegasi2366 - I love that he was given to Jim in the end.
@@rebeccamichael626 agreed. Morph more than earned it
Neither of those movies should've ever flopped. They were amazing!
The animation for Eris alone is proof enough that they need to bring back 2D animation
YEAH!
Seriously? I literally watched the movie repeatedly as a kid. It was so good! It's like a pirates of the carribean meets Hercules combo.
Ok, I've never seen it but that actually sounds fucking gorgeous, it sounds like an almost Nobel prize winning movie
@@SuperChavon well it's good but it would probably not hold up today
@@giyuutomioka6974 yeah, sounds about right
Still gonna watch it tho
Ain't Sinbad's legend came from 1001 Arabian Nights? Or are they modified the story in the movie for the children sake?
Omg you just made both my childhood And tweenhood. Massive ON POINT!! I freaking love Sinbad tho. I love ALL of DW's 2D movies.
Sinbad was, and to this day, one of the best animated movies in my opinion
100% i loved that movie. Wish they made another 1. Had so much potential to draw from the stories
@@Yrokothey were but it got cancelled or delayed
@@malachimcbean9141 still a huge shame. Its like WB own the rights to the cartoon silver hawks and doing nothing with it
it's not even an opinion it's factual!
I would say the treasure planet as well
I really liked Sinbad. I remember my mom getting it for me as a kid and loving it, rewatching it over and over. That and El Dorado.
road to el dorado is so good fr
Treasure island as well!! They don't make movies like they used too! Wonderful stories, great animation, such a shame.😢
@@tiesiai_per_aplinkui yes!!!
The “flops” they mention in this video are two of my favorite movies 😢
American Adults just don't respect Animation.
it’s either that, or Gen Zs
@@TheSoullessImmortal fax on that bro...
@@TheSoullessImmortal as someone whos born in in gen Z, i cant be more disappointed in my generation 😔
@@Jorunna_Parva
I am too
@@Jorunna_Parva I'm with you on this one Gen Z and Gen alpha are weird af. Never got their humour or stuff as gen Z myself.
Its a damn shame how unappreciated 2D animations are now. I still remember how good movies like Sinbad, and treasure planet and how shocked I was to learn that they flopped despite how good they were
Anime let me introduce myself
Treasure planet was dope!
I always loved Mowglee, I had and maybe still have somewhere original HVS!
Wolfwalker?
Treasure planet 😢❤
I remember dragging my dad to the theater twice to see Sinbad. I was super obsessed with it.
Early 2000s, we watched Sinbad in one whole summer for everyday. We pretty much remember every dialogue, specially Eris's lines.
Wait Sinbad is a great movie how the heck did it flop???
Box office... God their pricks that just criticized something so beautiful ❤️
It came out sometime around Pirates of the Carribbean and that one was just bigger and siphoned the attention away.
I don't understand either that movie was a freaking gems
poor marketing, too much competition at the time of release, and it was right around the time that 3D animated movies were becoming more normalized so people were shifting focus. All of that played a part in why it flopped, along with many other 2D animated movies that came out around the same time
I think it is the weakest out of all the 2D movies that they made
How in the heck did princess and the frog flop? It's one of the best of disney's movies
100% agreed and I have no clue-
About that it was purposefully made to flop, Disney's CEO was trying to get into 3d as it is cheaper then 2d
It’s not just the box office these are favorites to a lot of people
That's what I'm saying
First off, it totally isn't even in their top ten. You're delusional. Secondly, Disney made it flop.
The Princess and The Frog didn't Flop, it just wasn't the big hit Disney wanted. It made more money than it costed to make, promote and distribute, but Disney is used to bigger hits and since Tangled which is basically the same type of story was a smashing success they decided to stick to 3D
Yeah The princess and The Frog sadly just came out too late when 2D animation was starting to die in the US. Had it been thought of a decade earlier it could've been a real hit during the Disney Renaissance
@@sissysovereign1294 For those that don't appreciate animation as an art form, 2D animation is synonymous with children's entertainment, plus is a Princess Film, It says so in the title, and the trailers and marketing emphasized it's romantic and whimsical elements as Disney's triumphant return to classic fairy tales. Most people that aren't animation fans probably thought that is just a movie for little girls and ignored it completely. Tangled avoided all of that not just by being 3D (Which Shrek cemented as the golden standard for animated movies forr all ages) but also by changing it's title from "Rapunzel" (A princess) to "Tangled" which sounds gemder neutral and more dynamic. The trailers heavily emphasized Flint Ryder and Maximus as protagonists of equal footing to Rapunzel and they overly emphasized the comedic aspects while downplaying the romance and classoc fairy tale tropes. All of that made the movie look more like Shrek that anything else, like it's this wacky rapid fire parody of Disney Tropes but in reality is in fact just a classoc Disney Fairytale Princess romance movies played entirely straight.
@@sissysovereign1294It also released near Avatar as well
Sinbad was the most underrated Dreamworks animated film
I do miss their 2D movies. Their signature style was so unique and nice to look at.
Honestly this shows how ignorant critics are towards hand-drawn animation just because it’s a “kid’s movie” (same for 3D)
Critics do have some affect on the movie's sales but it's not a
Critic says good, we buy
Critic says bad, we dont buy
Situation
The box office flop can be contributed to
1. The change of focus to 3d animation from the masses
2. The costs associated with 2d animation outweighing the benefits
3. Competition in the market around the time of release
4. The movie itself is nice but it is not memorable ie it is not one of those animated films you need to see so people did just that, not see it
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Anime and animated sitcoms like Simpsons,Family Guy,King Of The Hill set good position for 2d mature content
But 3D is used in mostly kids movies and it feels off when violent or sexual stuff comes
Maybe except for gaming related titles
Its the adult critics😂 they want to enjoy it too
Sinbad is so underrated! I'm sure if they show it again like Disney did, it will be a huge hit next time.
Ironically Sinbad and Treasure Planet are my two favourite animated movies. I remember Disney clarified Enchanted would be their last animated movie, lo and behold it had like 5 minutes of animation, so I'm really happy they ended their 2D animation legacy with The Princess and The Frog. It couldn't have been a better choice 😊
No, Dreamworks stopped using 2D animation becuase of how successful Shrek was.
That makes sense. Maybe it's the combination of both?
Shrek is love, Shrek is life
lmao shrek was so fricking good.
And what you think made they choise this animation style in first place?
@amanofnoreputation2164 my dad heard me and called me a f****t
Honestly most forms of 2D animation finished around that time- which was a shame, because they were reaching that golden point where they were *incorporating* 3D but not using it primarily. Films like Treasure Planet, Sinbad, Atlantis- all swept under a rug of obscurity
They were far too expensive and there was a sort of trend where these movies would be released along some other big name and be knocked down in the box office. I believe Treasure Planet had to compete with a Harry Potter movie and that's part of why it tanked
@@sparking023 It was released around the same time Chamber of Secrets, Die Another Day (James Bond), and Santa Clause 2 came out.
A very bad time to get released, but even without that... Treasure Planet remains the most expensive 2d animated movie still. It's a beautiful movie, but that beauty took a lot of money to make it reality.
I loved watching Sinbad so much growing up 👌
I actually love Sinbad. It’s one of the Dreamworks underdogs ❤
6 years later. Sinbad is 2003, The Princess and the Frog is 2009.
The fuck? I was sure that "Princess & frog" was something like 2012-13
Sinbad is actually a really cool and action packed movie. I love Dreamworks 3D animation, but 2D is just as good too. They shouldn’t have stopped just because some nit picking critics didn’t understand the movie.
They didn't stop because of the critics. They stopped because the audience didn't show up. It doesn't matter if people say they "love" something If they don't show up and the movie doesn't make any money (or kills a studio).
that movie was one of my favorites when i was little. it was really cool, with a lot of mythological concepts.
It’s insane how princess and the frog flopped when it’s so good. One of my favorite Disney movies ever
I remember watching Sinbad alone when I was a kid and thought "hey that was pretty cool".
Then one time in school they gathered the classes to watch that movie. They had to stop because the villain was too scary, and I was just thinking: "damn, what a bunch of lil pussies".
LOL
Were there kids crying or sum'?
@@Jonohobs yap, the villain (goddess of chaos, I think) was hypnotizing some random guy in a corridor, and they stopped in that part. It was literally one of the first scenes in the film, and not even the worst with that character lol.
Honestly those 2d animation were the best, far better then other 2d animation we see today. The movement is so fluent, the giant creatures almost feel as if alive, along the environment they make going hard like that semi-ending scene of Treasure Planet.
The difference is in the $$ invested, the greater the amount invested in the budget, the more frames drawn are dedicated to animation, the current 2D animations for TV use a smaller budget and therefore shorter and simpler movements.
That's why 2D animations have reduced so much in the West, because 3D is much easier to make and invest in, while the East gave in partially by merging 2D and 3D to make productions cheaper.
I never heard of the Sindbad movie until I watched it at a friend’s house in 2006.
If I had seen a trailer of it I would have probably watched it in the cinema.
Sinbad was so fun! Fun characters, actions, fun gags, some heartfelt moment without compromising the characters. I didn't know that it flopped at the box office and kinda shocking too 😢
I honestly do miss 2D animated films in both studios
So sad that they flopped. They were both GREAT movies
I feel like Sinbad and princess and the frog flopped because it was too scary for kids. They really went all out with some of the more intense scenes, only reason Puss in Boots had more success was because it has an adult following, there were barely any kids in the theater when I took my kid to see it and the place was packed.
Princess and the Frog did not flop. It was actually the most successful traditionally animated Disney film since Lilo and Stitch.
Its made no money it was a flop …but yea an awesome movie
@mmhmmmyearight7183 it made a 275million opening week, it made money
@@uchihaitachi6849 yea but it cost 110 million to make plus 150 million more to promote it
It’s sad that the princess and the frog flopped. It’s a pretty good movie.
I was though at the time that Will be a success as with snowwhite, Cinderella,aurora, Ariel and others, but what happen When It was release at the cinemas?
@@andrearossi6953 Europeans didn't like it bc the whole kissing a frog that's a prince if a European story and they got mad
It didn't flop
@@blueaddiction6954 ... what?
@@Beer_Wolf I even had stroke reading that, so you're not alone.
And People say, why doesn’t Hollywood make to the animated movies anymore? This is why
SInbad was my favourite movie as a kid. I loved everything about it and wanted to see more movies like it. It's one of the things that inspired me to become an artist/animator
Bruh Sinbad was one of those rare movies I was allowed to watch that really made my childhood great-
Sinbad was some of my favorite movies when I was young, I didn't know that it made it bad.
I loved that movie when I saw it. I was so freaking obsessed with Eris and every scene she was in 😅
The BG score for this movie was so amazing.. this movie will also be close to heart 💖
I remember watching this movie like over 10 times as a kid. I can't believe adults just hate on 2D animations.
Adults don’t hate 2D animations, Big money CEO’s hate 2D animations
@@whitedragoness23 Then you haven't met my familiy expect my brother.
@@meten-saiyanthelombax2970 no I havnt met your family.
@@whitedragoness23 in other words, i mean't that my familiy members and some other relatives dissrespect on 2D animation and like those 3D animated movies just because it looks good, not caring much about the story unless the story is really good. Or like all those dumb Disney remake-live action movies just because they use a lot of CGI.
@@meten-saiyanthelombax2970 I grew up with the Disney renaissance movies. As an adult I went back and realized how good the story was and how much storytelling effort was put into it. Even some of the other movies which weren’t big blockbuster hits still had anywhere from a decent story, to a good story.
It's a fantastic film with great animation, when they get to Eris' realm and even at the end with her promise, it was really great work.
They know how to work 2D, I still vividly remember Prince of Egypt. It's really sad that they don't do it anymore
Man… Sinbad was my fucking CHILDHOOD 😭 it NEVER gets talked about!!! One of my favorite movies ever.
WHAT?! Sinbad is honestly in my top 5 favorite childhood animation movies, it is STUNNING! I'm so sad for it now
I love sinbad. Hearing the opening theme always hits me right in the nostalgia.
How did those 2 movies flop they are so good i still watch them sometimes
loved both of those movies as a kid, had no idea either one flopped, rip
Princess and the frog is one of the disney movies I’d happily watch till I die
PRINCESS AND THE FROG & SINBAD WERE FLOPS?
Disney announced that they were moving away from 2D before The Princess and The Frog was even released. It was Disney's “most successful traditionally animated film since Lilo & Stitch”
Sinbad rules though! I remember being little and my dad taking my little sister and I to see it at the drive in. It still holds up today
i watched this movie when i was a child, but i forgot the name of this movie thank you for telling me its name☺️☺️☺️
Bro dreamworks made 2 of my favorite movies that are 2D animated Prince of Egypt and The Road to El Dorado
Same here. I love you for this comment bro .Respect
I literally watched that movie over and over again when I was little, It inspired me and I loved the flawless animation.
Sinbad is one of my favourite animated movies and same with treasure planet. Really hoped they would make more but just glad there are some available.
I was a huge dreamworks fan as a kid but I remember never hearing about Sinbad until many years later and I still am at a loss on how it completely slipped under the radar for me and everyone I knew.
I remember having this movie. I still enjoy it. Adults never understand what they want.
Damn really? I remember loving Sinbad AND Princess and the Frog (Dr. Facilier is an awesome villain and Friends on the other side is a bop)
I remember loving the opening scene music with Eris so much, it was one of the many scores that got me into film composing in the first place
Many movies have been accused to have been the one that "killed 2d". The truth is that 3D movies just became the industry standard because they are overall cheaper and faster to make due to the use of 3D models for the character, that can be used in a variety of poses without having to draw them all separately
How in tf did everyone not love Sinbad, it’s so good!
Sinbad was one of the greatest movies
I went to see princess and the frog when it came out and it became my favourite disney movie for years, it's sad to hear it flopped, I didn't expect it truthfully
I had this on vhs way back in the day it was one of my childhood favorites
The Sinbad movie is, to this day, my favourite Dreamworks movie. I still have the dvd xD
I can think of two reasons how the princess and the frog flopped. Regular critics and secretly racist critics
Princess and the frog was not a flop, it's just wasn't big enough of a success for disney. It made money for them but the massive success of Tangled and Frozen and the low sales of Winnie the Pooh sealed the deal. Racism had nothing to do with it
@@crestofhonor2349 ummmmm, look at the princesses in tangled AND in frozen. Sales depend on how many little girls wanted and got to see those movies. Think about how many little girls wanted and got to see the princess and the frog. And think about how many parents allowed it
Black Woman Talking
To Tired For A Filter
@@zandriabeasley9626 yall reaching too hard into this. Treasure planet flopped, and it had white protagonist. Sinbad flopped, and had "white looking" protagonists. You're trying to make it about race when in reality all 2d animation was flopping at the time.
@@zandriabeasley9626 Personally, I don't think it was about race. Disney has a very well tested formula for their princesses and Tiana was not their typical princess. That's why teens and adults loved her, but she didn't sell as much to kids as the other two you mentioned (and that's where the big $ lie).
✓Hair & Clothes: Tiana became princess in the very last scene and kids didn't get to see her long in her "princess form". Before that she was a hard working girl, with normal clothes and hair (she didn't get the "Disney's fabulously long hair" thing 😂) and then a frog.
✓Setting: Tiana's story wasn't set in an old fairytale land, it was set in a realistic place.
✓Super powers: I mean magical hair and ice powers?? How can you compete with that when it comes to children?
✓Catchy princess pop song or ballad: "Almost there" didn't really stand out as the main heroine's song (generally, besides "friends on the other side", the film doesn't have very strong memorable songs). That's a big miss for the little ones.
That's why she didn't have the same merch success and impact that tangled and frozen had. And that's why kids couldn't become obsessed with her. Moana, who isn't white, ticked all these boxes and was a huge success and a kid's favourite.
Simbad was probably my favorite movie growing up. Had it on DVD and lost count to how many times I rewatched it
It flopped!??? I loved Sindabad (This one) so much that I saw it more than 100 times. This was my jam. After coming back from school, I saw this everyday to the point that my parents hid the CD. I still love it. I still watch it. I have a job now. I watch this as relaxation and motivation.
wtf?!!
That's pretty unfair
That was a favorite of ours. Rented it from Blockbusters several times.
The fact that this didn't give a shit about dreamworks before puss in boots 2 blew up , makes me think how pathetic our community has become (same with the disney hate)
People are just monkey see, monkey do. Nobody has their own opinions it's whatever is trending 🤣
@@MrTrash. LMAO FRRR
Generation is just brainwashed to follow trending only , even if it's garbage , and insult the better one , cause it is trend
@@SantaCometaI already preferred DreamWorks cause Shrek ever since I was little I always wanted a Puss n boots sequel it took 11yrs WORTH IT
FINALLY someone brings this up! Puss in Boots 2 is a 10/10 imo don't get me wrong, but one great movie doesn't define an entire animation studio. Both Disney animation and DreamWorks have amazing as well as disappointing movies, so it's weird to see so many jump on the "Disney bad DreamWorks good" bandwagon just because of one year's worth of movies
RIP, Sinbad was one of my favourite movies
Because a One 2d animated movie fail in the box office doesn't mean that you forced yourself "ok i will no longer use 2d animation anymore", i Hope that we Will have a 2d reinaissance in the next few years
perhaps it’s time. for 2-D animation to be used as a medium for more adult-centric type stories, since the kiddy market has essentially abandoned it
It wasn't just one. Road to El Dorado flopped. Prince of Egypt did not do well. Why would they give you a 2d renaissance if no one goes to the theater to watch these movies?
Dreamworks, you can make 2D animations great again.
Both Sinbad and princess and the seven frog were my childhood and I didn’t know Sinbad flipped that badly
This was my most rewatched movie when I was a kid.
Sinbad is one of the best movie ever made
Princess and the Frog didn't flop, it was successful at the box office. You just misinformed thousands of people
With the acclaimed release of Toy Story in 1995, Traditional 2D animation was already on it's way out by the end of the 20th century. DreamWorks had done two CGI movies (Antz and Shrek) by the time they released Sinbad. It's poor reception was the final nail in the coffin for their work with 2D animation, and from that point on their movies were either CGI or stop-motion. It's also worth noting that Shrek is the first CGI film to win the academy award for Best Animated Feature, so that probably helped convince some executives that CGI was truly the way forward.
I remember seeing it in the movie theater when it came out. Always loved that film
Dude I loved that movie growing up the fact it was hated by critics shouldn't mean shit. Especially in today's world whenever I see a negative critic score but high audience that's when I know the movie/show is gonna be good
That’s me with Pocahontas. I literally knew her real story as a kid before I actually watched the movie, and despite its not perfect, it’s still one of my absolute favorite movies ever. It’s really sad that a lot of critics f*cking complained about historical inaccuracies in a Disney movie, and unfortunately that’s manipulated Disney’s decision to make the sequel a bit more accurate to her real story by making her end up with the dude she married in reality. And the funniest but sad part is Disney KNEW Pocahontas ending with John Rolfe instead of John Smith was going to piss of a ton of fans, like they knew a lot of people would absolutely hate the movie. But they decided to anyway just to shut up the critics and very small minority that hated the original and complained about it. I will agree that Pocahontas shouldn’t have been based on a super dark and unfortunately real story, but if they had changed the characters’ names a lot less people wouldn’t have complained because the characters aren’t real or meant to represent real people. But a movie like Hercules has been growing in popularity lately and a lot of people simply ignore how inaccurate it is to the actual mythology, but Pocahontas isn’t treated the same way because she was still a real person.
You know what would be surprising, what would really be nuts especially in this day and age? If a company actually went back and made a good ol fashioned 2D animated movie
anime exists
It's a shame 2D animation got left behind by big studios, but I'm glad 2D elements and stylization have found their way into recent 3D movies (like Into the Spiderverse)
sinbad was my favorite movie as a kid, I used to watch it even three times a day, I'm surprised to hear it flopped
Every company doesn’t do 2D animation anymore, now it’s 3D forever
You still get 2D on TV and from Japanese studios
@@crestofhonor2349 I meant for movies
@@Jackseyez I mean there are still 2D films from warner bros with DC stuff. Plus Klaus came out recently. Other than that we don't get massively marketed, big budget, 2D films from western studios. Japan still also largely does 2D for any animated movies
"actually, the last Disney 2D animated movie Is Winnie the Pooh 2011🤓"
Sinbad was a childhood favorite! Amazing movie
I just saw it for the first time and man was it a breath of fresh air for creative, great movies!
Was the princess and the frog good? I watched it when I was way younger and recall enjoying it (despite remembering nothing 😅)
Best movie
I LOVE this Sinbad. It's one of my favorite cartoons to this day.
That's sadge. This movie is definitely in my top 3 childhood movies
"Dreamworks doesnt make 2D anymore"
Yes because Turbo FAST is 3D 😄
I need another Sinbad movie fr