@@Arcadiez They could have ordered their newer NGs with this kind of winglet out of the factory, that could have saved them money. I don't get it why they didn't do that.
It looks pretty nice actually but i am pretty sure with this new modification, many people are going to mixed up and confused about this solution for it's -800 for a Boeing 737 MAX
I wish all airlines with the NG in their fleets would do this. There were rumors Delta was going to with their -800s, wishing DL and AA would here in the U.S.
You need to put your glasses on mate. Looks perfectly closed to me. You'd hear about it on the news if they opened at that point in the flight. As an aside, the 737 can actually deploy its reversers in flight when within a certain close distance to the ground but almost certain that crews are forbidden from doing that officially. There are some videos of it happening though.
I can see the confusion, but that is just a marking on the cowling, marking a safety critical area for when the engine is running. Sometimes engineers have to perform tests on a running engine so they're very close to the inlet and exhaust, and I believe that marking tells them they shouldn't move forward from that line.
I wonder if we will see something similar for the A320 series? Could even be a game saver for the A321xlr to regain at least some of the extra fuel burn as a result of changes to the new tanks. I noticed that they are more vertical than with the Max, is that because the wingspan of the NG is already close to taking it into the next gate category?
Those kinda exist, sharklets first seen on the a320neo can be retrofitted to the a320ceo and the xlr may already come included with it. But those only go vertically up which you have described but newer winglet modifications later on should be possible
@@disturbed4733 Isn't the aspect ratio similar on both 737 and A320? Of course the span loading might be very different regardless and I'd guess that affects winglet economics too
@@AmbientMorality First, let me say I only know about the 787 and assumed the same for the A320. Also, the aspect ratio of a wing is the ratio between the length and average width of the wing. Because the 787 wings are carbon fiber, they can play with the shape of the wing more. Boeing came up with a raked wingtip design, which reduces the average width of the wing. This acts similarly to a Winglet by increasing the wing's aspect ratio to interrupt the unwanted wingtip vortexes.
@@davidkavanagh189 Ryanair probably won't, but it's not implausible that aftermarket drag reduction package could do that. Aero Design Labs was testing a reshaped tail cone on a WestJet 737-700 alongside other changes, but it doesn't seem to have made it into their first certified package.
Aero design labs tested a more aerodynamic APU cone on a WestJet 737-700, among other aerodynamic modifications. No real word from them as to the efficiency gains
The Max uses the Advanced Tech Winglet by default, a further improvement to this optional retrofitted type which is the replacement for the regular blended winglet on the NG series without that extra piece
Question and comment: does Ryanair prepay for their fuel? And in any case, just life for cars, if fuel cost goes up or down, the recoup time will adapt accordingly...
They don’t prepay no Pilots decide fuel needed for that flight then pass that info to the fueler, the fueler after finishing give the fuel slip and that gets sent to Ryanair in order for them to pay
@@filledwithvariousknowledge2747 Those kind of devices tend to work effectively on heavier/longer flights and could actually cost more fuel(due to their added weight) on shorter flights. If an airline operates mostly shorted flights and/or with less pax, or a big mix of ops, the business case for adding them is less.
@@davidkavanagh189 How is this true? Winglets should be an induced drag reduction at the cost of a parasitic drag increase, so in climb where induced drag dominates, I'd expect winglets to do better.
@@AmbientMorality Because they work best at higher AOA/higher weight. At lower weights and lower AOA, the reduction in induced drag is much less or even zero, but you will have the parasite drag and weight of the winglet. A good example of this in practice are some of the new build B767s that FedEx operates in EU on short routes. They have no winglets fitted even though they're only a few years old. Winglets also weren't offered on the 737-600 and very few A319s have them.
@@davidkavanagh189 OK, so is this specifically the climb from like 10,000ft to cruise in question? For the initial climb and for cruise it must be beneficial. I'd think cruise would mean that they have to be beneficial for a reasonably large range of lift coefficients though, so it seems like the penalty for climb couldn't be that negative?
If he would announce that he will increase prices because of this Ryanair would lose far more money than they would win back with saving the fuel. They'll likely try to lower prices to increase traffic and make money on passengers buying optional extras, food & drinks or duty free.
@@japsie9280 The Fokker 130 builds on the reputation of hundreds of Fokker aircraft flying the world today. A unique development program based on early certification flight testing using 2 existing Fokker 100 aircraft converted into 2 compliant Fokker 130 prototypes targets entry-into-service in five years. The Fokker 130 will be certified to latest EASA and FAA requirements. The Fokker 130 will be developed in cooperation with renowned Dutch engineering companies, the national aeronautical institutions and international specialists.
Airlines dont buy aircraft because of their country of origin but rather because of their effiency. The fk130 carries 1.6x less passengers for a range almost 2x smaller.
Airlines have wingless for year yet Ryanair only now getting it is so behind other airlines just like bstic air among others other aircraft have these winglets Ryanair is so behind the times
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The split scimitar design for Ryanair’s 737-800s looks very nice!
I don’t get why Ryanair didn’t install them as soon as they became available. After all they love saving money long term wherever possible
they did. it s just whoever wrote this article is late to the party.
@@CaptianYDThese winglets became available in 2014
Ryanair also hates spending money. They thought they would have the max death traps by now.
@@Arcadiez They could have ordered their newer NGs with this kind of winglet out of the factory, that could have saved them money. I don't get it why they didn't do that.
@@kemi242 the installation is not affiliated with Boeing
Split Scimitars are incredibly beautiful! They make an already beautiful Blended Winglet be wayyy more beautiful! :D
Exactly😍
0:42 Wasn't expecting man to go full Spanish on me like that 😭
lol i know right. i had to play that back 💀
I’ve done a lot of the scimitar and regular winglet jobs here in heavy checks. Not the sheetmetal part modification part but still cool.
Guess they plan on keeping those 737-800's for quite some time to recoup those upfront costs !!!
Possibly but it also improves their resale value.
Recoup and make significant money. Why else bother right.
It's great to see Ryanair investing in their fleet this must be one of the largest retrofitting progams of its kind
I didn't know retrofits could be performed at that level
No no. They have to land first.
@@wormyboot funny. Very original.
Many have been.
I might be wrong, but I believe Airbus also offered the option to add winglets to A320 family aircrafts that came out of factory without them
@@albero319 that is indeed true. Most A320 CEOs these days have said winglets.
That’s been performed in my work. A lot of work goes into it but personally I think it looks great
It looks pretty nice actually but i am pretty sure with this new modification, many people are going to mixed up and confused about this solution for it's -800 for a Boeing 737 MAX
I wish all airlines with the NG in their fleets would do this. There were rumors Delta was going to with their -800s, wishing DL and AA would here in the U.S.
Delta isn’t rumors, it’s been approved and will start retrofitting soon
Delta is doing it, I don't know why American isn't going along
@@2003LN6 It would also help them save on fuel expenses while they gradually replaces their fleet of 300 with the MAX 8.
Delta has split scimitars on their -900ERs too.
I love the 737-800 ❤
I live near Prestwick and have seen Ryanair aircraft coming and going more than just the scheduled flights recently
I want to see the installation process
That is pretty cool. Virgin Australia have some of their 737-800s with that design too!
I flew on one of these but it was EL-DLX!
It's lovely!😍✨👍👌
Gotta say they look sharp!! 😆
WestJet and Swoop been having this design since 2018, definitely does help with the fuel efficiency.
WestJet has had them since 2014
2:56 why does it look like the Aeromexico engine reverser is open, despite being airborne (presumably on takeoff)?
You need to put your glasses on mate. Looks perfectly closed to me. You'd hear about it on the news if they opened at that point in the flight. As an aside, the 737 can actually deploy its reversers in flight when within a certain close distance to the ground but almost certain that crews are forbidden from doing that officially. There are some videos of it happening though.
I can see the confusion, but that is just a marking on the cowling, marking a safety critical area for when the engine is running. Sometimes engineers have to perform tests on a running engine so they're very close to the inlet and exhaust, and I believe that marking tells them they shouldn't move forward from that line.
Norwegian air shuttle also needs to put split scimitar winglets on their 737-800s
Yay! Happy to hear Prestwick getting a mention. Please cover more Prestwick airport content. It’s such an under appreciated airport.
why add it when they are going to replace it with the max?
Not all are ready for replacing and there’s some delays at the moment
They’ll still be flying for decades to come
Just like the TUI 800. I am not sure about Jet2 and Jet2holidays although A321neos are on their way.
Jet2 are retrofitting 50 737s with them this year. 8 have been done already
It looks nice on ryanair
So, there will be many second hand 737 winglets heading for the scrapyard.....but will Ryanair get anything for them?
I wonder if we will see something similar for the A320 series?
Could even be a game saver for the A321xlr to regain at least some of the extra fuel burn as a result of changes to the new tanks.
I noticed that they are more vertical than with the Max, is that because the wingspan of the NG is already close to taking it into the next gate category?
Those kinda exist, sharklets first seen on the a320neo can be retrofitted to the a320ceo and the xlr may already come included with it. But those only go vertically up which you have described but newer winglet modifications later on should be possible
Wouldn’t have made any difference. The high wing aspect ratio does the same job as winglets; same as the 787.
@@disturbed4733 Isn't the aspect ratio similar on both 737 and A320? Of course the span loading might be very different regardless and I'd guess that affects winglet economics too
TAP did it with its oldest A320 (CS-TMW) back in 2013, when it removed the original wingtip
@@AmbientMorality First, let me say I only know about the 787 and assumed the same for the A320. Also, the aspect ratio of a wing is the ratio between the length and average width of the wing.
Because the 787 wings are carbon fiber, they can play with the shape of the wing more. Boeing came up with a raked wingtip design, which reduces the average width of the wing. This acts similarly to a Winglet by increasing the wing's aspect ratio to interrupt the unwanted wingtip vortexes.
**Starting computer to repaint all Ryanair liveries**
It seems that Ryanair is planing to keep those machines for a while, since they did not get a good price for more 8200s.
Dear simply flying ,do you think the a p u cone could also be replaced.?✈️💕
No. That will not happen.
@@davidkavanagh189 Ryanair probably won't, but it's not implausible that aftermarket drag reduction package could do that. Aero Design Labs was testing a reshaped tail cone on a WestJet 737-700 alongside other changes, but it doesn't seem to have made it into their first certified package.
@@AmbientMorality Ah, I did not know that. Any idea what kind of fuel burn reduction that achieved?
Aero design labs tested a more aerodynamic APU cone on a WestJet 737-700, among other aerodynamic modifications. No real word from them as to the efficiency gains
@@JayJayAviation an ugly cone ;-;
(and yeah, I also have no idea on efficiency gains for the cone)
congratulations
I wish those split scimitar wingtips were an option for the 737 MAX
The Max uses the Advanced Tech Winglet by default, a further improvement to this optional retrofitted type which is the replacement for the regular blended winglet on the NG series without that extra piece
They’re less efficient than the ones on the MAX already
I hope that the majority of 737-800 and 737-700 operators do this retrofit.
Already have
Most have done this. TUI were one of the first in Europe to do it. Ryanair and Jet2 are doing this
Question and comment: does Ryanair prepay for their fuel? And in any case, just life for cars, if fuel cost goes up or down, the recoup time will adapt accordingly...
I'm wondering if Ryanair has hedged the price of its fuel at too high a level.
@@well-blazeredman6187 o'leary said they hedged it pre-russian invasion but it ends soon
They don’t prepay no Pilots decide fuel needed for that flight then pass that info to the fueler, the fueler after finishing give the fuel slip and that gets sent to Ryanair in order for them to pay
About time, anyone know why AA didn't choose to do it to their 737-800s?
I’m also curious as any operator of the NG series wanting to save more fuel should install them
@@filledwithvariousknowledge2747 Those kind of devices tend to work effectively on heavier/longer flights and could actually cost more fuel(due to their added weight) on shorter flights. If an airline operates mostly shorted flights and/or with less pax, or a big mix of ops, the business case for adding them is less.
@@davidkavanagh189 How is this true? Winglets should be an induced drag reduction at the cost of a parasitic drag increase, so in climb where induced drag dominates, I'd expect winglets to do better.
@@AmbientMorality Because they work best at higher AOA/higher weight. At lower weights and lower AOA, the reduction in induced drag is much less or even zero, but you will have the parasite drag and weight of the winglet. A good example of this in practice are some of the new build B767s that FedEx operates in EU on short routes. They have no winglets fitted even though they're only a few years old. Winglets also weren't offered on the 737-600 and very few A319s have them.
@@davidkavanagh189 OK, so is this specifically the climb from like 10,000ft to cruise in question? For the initial climb and for cruise it must be beneficial.
I'd think cruise would mean that they have to be beneficial for a reasonably large range of lift coefficients though, so it seems like the penalty for climb couldn't be that negative?
Why American dont have this in the series 800?
Costs won’t outweigh benefits for their missions
I think FR should give us a job 🧑✈️✈️
Nice I like it
Lower fuel burn and emissions and look fantastic. Brilliant Ryanair.
They also retrofitting the landing gear?
🤣
Can someone telk me what these new winglets do?
Edit: 1:43 nvm
Now they do not do hard landing
Well good for them.
Ryanair loves saving money.
Ryanair hates spending money.
I love it :)
This also makes the older 737s look like the 737 Max.
Not entirely if you check the engine appearance. Also these winglets aren’t quite as advanced as the Advanced Tech Winglet found only on the Max
@@filledwithvariousknowledge2747 To the average passenger, the planes will look the same. I think this is more than a 1.5% fuel saving move.
The two winglet designs are very distinct from one another
@@JayJayAviation Yes, my point is that the average passenger will not see the difference.
@@robertcampbell1280 true
They were rather late to game on this.
I feel bad for the passengers, more hard landings and they'll have to pay for the new winglets!
@@ruiaribarton37 🤣👍🏿
16.27 years old you say?
Now Ryanair will destroy winglets aswell
Scimtar Winglet Fee...
Please say Hernandez again😂😂😂
I'm guessing this was a good plane to start with, seeing as it's sitting there eidly.
No? Idly?
I'll get my coat.
Expect Mr O'Leary to announce big fare hikes to cover the cost of this.
If he would announce that he will increase prices because of this Ryanair would lose far more money than they would win back with saving the fuel. They'll likely try to lower prices to increase traffic and make money on passengers buying optional extras, food & drinks or duty free.
Simply flying articles is basically just a copy cat here and there
Most commercial aviation channels on RUclips seem to be.
nah
This should have been done years ago. Ryanair has damaged the planet.
Bad investment, unless there is some unknown factor(s) to compensate such change.
How’s it bad?
That “unknown factor” is drag reduction and fuel efficiency
They better could get rid of those crappy American aircraft and go for the superior quality of the Dutch made Fokker F130NG.
Completely different market. Also, any idea when it will finally fly...?
@@japsie9280 The Fokker 130 builds on the reputation of hundreds of Fokker aircraft flying the world today.
A unique development program based on early certification flight testing using 2 existing Fokker 100 aircraft converted into 2 compliant Fokker 130 prototypes targets entry-into-service in five years. The Fokker 130 will be certified to latest EASA and FAA requirements.
The Fokker 130 will be developed in cooperation with renowned Dutch engineering companies, the national aeronautical institutions and international specialists.
Airlines dont buy aircraft because of their country of origin but rather because of their effiency. The fk130 carries 1.6x less passengers for a range almost 2x smaller.
A fake MAX, I see
The MAX winglet is different to this.
Airlines have wingless for year yet Ryanair only now getting it is so behind other airlines just like bstic air among others other aircraft have these winglets Ryanair is so behind the times
What is bstic air?