When you said: 'For most people it aint gonna be the loudest thing on the rig', I saw you thinking. It really made me smile when you followed up: 'No, actually I take that back, it is the loudest thing on this rig.' Keep on the good work Will! In text comments often look more harsh than intended. Dont let it bother you. I def think 95% of all your followers really appreciate your efforts and honesty.
Nice review ;) I have had DK2 since last summer. I'm really happy with it, and the support from Sigma Integrale are the best I have experienced. They genuinely want you to be a happy customer, and I am. I run iRacing only and use VR. I have my settings quite low with no smoothing. It brings the immersion to the next level, and makes even a test drive alone on the track fun. I don't have the clicking noise showed in this video. It is not dead silent, but it is not a problem at all in my opinion.
Hi Steffen, just got my DK2 and ran a "tuning" session. i also use VR and i have to dial the settings down quite a bit, otherwise i can't see a thing because of the shaking of the headset ;-) can you share your settings ? what i am missing a little bit is the "environment". Meaning i am not feeling it in the stomach when driving over a hill... also i think the road vibrations is extremely intense compared to the other settings, so ihad to dial them all the way down to 1. really courious what your experience is in that regard.
@@diegostalder9663 Hi Diego. Cool! What sim do you use? I only use iRacing, so I'm not sure if the settings will work the same way in other sims. My settings is. Gas/Brake Pitch:3, Turning Roll:1, Heave:5, Environment:2, Road Vibration:4, Engine vibration i put to 10 and 0/100. (sometimes in race I put it to 0 to feel the road much as possible.) This I know can very because of different rig and weight. I use a HP reverb G2 with trackers on the headset, so big movement can influence the tracking a bit. So I like small movements, but big movements don't give me anything. I want to feel the car. What headset and rig do you use? About the shaking of the headset. I also felt that first time I tried it, but its not a problem for me at the moment. Try to be more relaxed in your neck and absorb some of the vibration. You should join the community for Sigma on discord and Facebook. Many users can help you with the tuning. Im sure you will be happy with the DK2 when you tune it right and get used to it ;)
@@diegostalder9663 I also have had a look at Varjo Aero. It looks awesome. Have you mounted the basestation on the rig or in the room? I would guess you would have less problems with big movements if the basestation was mounted and moved together with the rig. But I have not tried it myself. My G2 have camera trackers and no basestartion, so big movement would effect tracking for me.
I never expect a motion sim to make me faster, all I care about is the realism, so I can use it to practice IRL racing in the off season, as safely as possible.
Yeah, as someone who's looking to get into motion sim, being faster wasn't even remotely a consideration. I just want to play my racing and flying games/simulators with some deep levels of immersion.
Good review of a very good system! Had mine since oct/nov, used it 100`s of hours without any issues. I never run my smoothing above 2 in any layer, normally 1 or 0 as it is so effective even at low levels and easily dampens road surface and lower rumble strips etc.. Race cars are`nt comfortable ;) As for intensity, i normally run pitch at 3, roll at 2, and the rest at 4-5. Never had those ticking sounds in mine though, mine`s smooth as they can be.
@@secretysecret1551 i run them separate from the rig, and i havent once felt it is wrong or wierd.. Maybe its better for some to have them to follow the rig, but you better secure them well unless you enjoy looking at vibrating and shaking monitors.
@@-Ola-. ah ok, thank you for the info. I'm barely getting into the whole rig scene, but couldn't figure out which route I should take. it seemed that the monitors should be mounted for full realism, but I can't imagine that even working remotely well....a heavy monitor bouncing up and down all day.
I got to try one of these kits at my work and was seriously impressed compared to 1.5 and 3-inch Dbox. I found this competes more with the 3-inch Dbox than the 1.5 IMHO.
If they could create a Simhub plugin, that would allow you to create per-car profiles, as Simhub lets you assign values to hardware for each individual car in each game.
Having driven several race cars ( mini's, escorts mostly) I can say with certainty that you hear rattles within the car as you drive around the circuits, so this " rattle" that you say is apparent in this system, would in my mind replicate the rattles you'd hear in most racing cars in real life, again a great review/tutorial as always, very concise and truthful, no punches pulled. Keep up the great videos Will, and thank you
Odd ticking sound. I have the DK2+ and there’s no ticking sounds. When turned up, you can hear the piston, but that’s it. The DK2+ is a beast. Great video though!
@@CaseyM7 No, I wouldn’t call it quiet. If I’m wearing headphones, I don’t hear it. Using speakers, I hear but not overwhelming at my normal settings, which are on the lower end. They use a type of teflon that surrounds the piston instead of lubricant so it’s a different sound. I’d say louder than other actuators though. I have it paired with a GS-5 and it’s not as loud as that. But, no ticking, just movement.
Thanks Will, looking forward to seeing your DBox review also and how it compares to the others like this for the money. Something sorely missing in other reviews.
Will had the dbox since last year, so I have nfi why they are not reviewing it. I bought one, love it. Can't compare to this, but motion on the whole is really worth it when you have covered all your other bases.
I think it’s all about the money. Dbox is low volume, so they would rather review the stuff that a whole bunch of people will run out and buy for a few hundred bucks each (probably a better kickback for the cheaper stuff). Sadly, if they have no plans to review, they should just stay silent on it from the beginning. It’s a bit weird at this point.
The Dbox review will happen soon. We had planned on doing it end of last year but then our studio flooded and we’ve been playing catch up since. Dbox just had a major software update too so we held off for a while for that also.
@@boostedmedia totally get it, but you have also reviewed plenty of things that have been released “since”. Doesn’t seem like there is much of a driving experience difference in the new SW, as it seems the new functionality is tailored to supporting games with no telemetry and tying in their dbox connect service. Looking forward to your review, but let’s be transparent - the delay has been largely voluntary deprioritization 😄. That’s OK, it’s just that some people may be waiting for your review to purchase and so they deserve more than “coming soon” month after month for almost 8 months. If you are not going to review for a number of months, just call it out. For example: “dbox review coming in August ‘22”
I use my D-box system only at 72% it does not make you faster but it is just pure fun, the rise of the rig on one side when you drive up a curbstone in combination with the vibration adds to the immersion especially in combination with VR. I have had all three combination screens not moving, screens moving and VR. Screens not moving does not work it gives a weird feeling when you brake and move closer to your screens.
Why should movement damage a screen? There’s no logical reason for that. As long as your screen holders are rigid enough and you don’t have this system where the screens are on individual stand instead of the rig, your good to go!
I really wish that someone would do to the full motion market as what fanatec did with the CSL DD. A ready to run system, fully plug and play at a killer than everything else on the market.
@@rickywylde8137 did you buy the simrig SR2? how did you feel on it? price seems fair, and also 70mm of travel doesn't look that bad, way more than the dbox gen 5
I'm so glad Tom said that at the end about the noise. I've been looking at a motion system but my rig is upstairs, so was wondering if this would be the case.
I tested these for a month and didn't experience any rattling in mine. Not to say they were silent, but everything sounded as it should. I would love to try out the DK6 once they have VR motion compensation in their software. Sadly the engine vibration wasn't available yet when I tested it, would have really loved to experience it.
Does this feel like it’s been a while in the making or what? 😛 Either way glad to hear you’re generally impressed with the kit - and to hear just how much it undercuts the dBox on the price tag 😯 Having had the fortune to work with a Motion Systems Qubic series 4-actuator set when dialled in I agree they can be great for adding seat feel even if it doesn’t translate to pace improvements!
Hearing Tom talk about the vibration travelling through the floor, a possible solution is a piece of MDF or fibre board laid over say a couple of exercise mats might deaden the vibration through to floor and transmitting it through to other rooms below
I agree with Tom, I have the DK2 and it's on the second level of my home. On higher settings my whole bedroom shakes, this is a powerful system, but it's great fun, also helpful in learning how the car is responding on track. The guys at Sigma are dedicated and extremely care about your experience with their system and the personal assistance you get makes it more valuable than any other systems.
Thanks for another great review! Couple things I noticed that I thought I'd comment on. First, for *anyone who doesn't have a free Ethernet port,* rather than purchasing a USB→Ethernet adapter for about the same money ($15-20USD) you can pickup a PCIE Ethernet card. Which, assuming the computer is at least PCIE 3.0 (can't imagine _any_ sim titles running on anything older, not to mention if you can afford this kit... ;) ) you can use a 1x slot (could even get away with a dual Gigabit Ethernet port card and be okay.) If USB must be used for whatever reason, I'd highly recommend making sure it's USB 3minimum. While I doubt this system will nearing gigabit speeds, still better to have the head room (USB 2 is less then half Gigabit speed.) Secondly, the 'transformer' on the PCB inside the control box, is actually an AC/DC converter. Taking the mains voltage input, and outputting 5VDC 2A. There will likely be a small transformer inside but if that was all it was you'd still have an AC output and that microcontroller it's powering would not be a happy camper😉 Not super important, but thought I'd mention it. Anyways thanks again for another great video, Michael
@@David-qu3ro yeah very well could work! As long as it doesn't confuse the software. It shouldn't since you're just pointing to it with an IP address, however, stranger things have happened when things are done in a way unplanned for by the software/firmware.
PCI-E 1.0 1x is enough for 2Gb speeds FYI. Looks like your confusing gigabit vs gigabyte. As far as static IP's on a switch, that will definitely normally work fine, and if some reason it doesn't that's a failure on Sigma Integrale's design.
Sounds like a good sense of bumps and curbs! I have also purchased a sliding motion simulator and have started to distribute driving videos on this account.
Great review as always Will! Maybe you are planning to take a look at the new next level racing motion plus platform? It would be nice to see your opinion compared with Dbox and this Sigma integrale motion systems. Thank you!
There are various reasons a system can display some lag, from the hardware down to the software and the users settings. When making diy sfx there are also areas where a user can get something wrong on hardware settings itself (dbox etx dont ask you to change servo driver paramaters). The servos used in the SFX system are fast and powerful enough that if everything is done right there shouldnt be lag thats perceptible compared to other systems.
Hi Will, thank you so much for another awesome review. Actually I'm undecided between the sigma integrale or the Simrig sr2, which would be a lot cheaper but has no ability to simulate f.e. engine vibration as far as I know (or another option: no motion and saving the money 😆) how much impact does the vibration has regarding the immersion for you? Is it like 'nice to have' or 'essential', meaning without vibration / tactical Feedback there would be something 'missing' from your experience? Of course tactical Feedback could be added with buttkickers etc, but I would rather prefer an all in one solution rather than adjusting the buttkickers separately. As always thank you so much!
@@davidjefferys4489 youtube keeps deleting my replies ^^ yes I chose the SR2 and I'm very happy with it. But the DK2 is a very interesting option, I didn't choose it because of import fees to the EU and poor reseller availability here...
Hi Will: have you thought about making a comparative and category classification of all the products and devices that you have tested? I mean a rating from 1 to 10 (with decimals) so that we can get a quick idea of the true level of all of them. In each tested item you would only have to include the classification at the end, so it would be available in all of them and looking at the video of the most recent one, we would have all the items available. For example: if I want to buy a steering wheel, I would only have to go to the video of the most recent steering wheel and at a quick glance I would see what the true level of all of them is. Then I could calmly go watch the video of the steering wheel that interests me and I would avoid having to watch 10 or 20 complete videos only to end up more confused than at the beginning. Or would that be too difficult for you?
It’s an idea we’ve considered extensively, but so much of this is subjective it’s very hard to put a number on something. We thought about a points system but yeah. Not sure. It’s not off the cards though.
@@boostedmedia Yes, it is quite complicated (I know). Because as you indicate the process is all subjective. If they were complete kits it would be very easy: it would only be a matter of putting the times achieved on the same circuit. It would only be a reference for us anyway. Your opinion is better than going blind to the store. If the decimals are removed, it could be viable. It is only about establishing a first classification: very good, good, normal, bad and very bad. And then, within the result, better or worse. Automatically you have a grade from 1 to 10 almost effortlessly.
Awesome I saw SimRacing 604's review on that which is what originally got me thinking about it. I would be super grateful if you include the specific comparison of the NLR with the Sigma. Thank you.
Hi, did you do any testing with VR? i'm interested to know whether there is any sensor interference like EMI issues? appreciate if u could let me know as I'm seriously considering this system?
Hi Will, I have a question if you don't mind: I currently run 27" triples set just behind my wheel for maximum immersion. If I were to get the DK2, how much monitor clearance do I need? Could I still get away with rising my screen a little but not needing to place them all the way back behind my wheel base? Thank you!
@@Raceeverything I ended up ordering a PT Actuators Champion GT (125mm of travel, so it’s longer). I will optimise my monitor placement once it’s delivered and I’ll update you.
@@felipegalindo1313 got the Champion GT. The 125mm of travel make no matter, I'm still able to run the monitors very close to the wheel. I moved back and higher a bit, but not that much. Only cost me a few degrees of FOV. It's not really noticeable.
you can raise your monitors 3in and should be good. i have mine mounted on the rig. 49in. i had to get rid of my triples cause of space. ive been running the dk2 for almost 2 years
Love the channel, love the reviews, I bought the SIMRIG 2 for my simulator, was wondering if you could potentially review those motion actuators at one point.
Is that rattling and clicking happening with all DK2s? And if not, would it then be quieter than the DBOX?
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Unfortunately, this was an independent issue with this demo system. The system is 60-65 dB at full speed. The floor reverberations are much more pronounced and can be 'silenced' by having the system on carpet or a gym mat. :-)
G'day Will and Tom, great review. How do you think this system would integrate with the Next Level GT Track cockpit? My setup is currently sitting on 6 castors. Making some brackets wouldn't be a problem to adapt to the the profile style mounting, more concerned about the possible flex and load on the main frame of the GT Track given only 4 supports vs 6?? Cheers, Paul
@@boostedmedia Hey Will, the latest Next Level racing motion system seems to work on the GT Track frame from the ads at least. Your right, I think the rigidity of this style compared to the profile style may impact somewhat??
What frequency does this run at? Is it 60hz for iRacing like their FFB telemetry? If you use irFFB does it run at 360hz? Great video as always, just looking for more info.
For iRacing, the shared memory telemetry rate is 360 Hz, and that is what the DK motion system uses. This rate allows the road vibrations layer to be highly detailed. However, other game telemetries are still at 60 Hz, so we implemented an algorithm that artificially boosts the telemetry rate for these games. AC, ACC and R3E are games with a telemetry rate that is 300+ Hz. For all other motion layers (pitch layers, roll layers, heave and engine vibrations), 60 Hz is more than good enough.
Question, thanks to this review I ordered the DK2 system :D. But I need a new rig (have a tubed rig now). I really like this Track Racer TR120 but is the bottom of the frame stiff enough for it? (because it has the curved connectors in the middle of the frame)
@JDZA 916 I already received it. Was delivered within 2 weeks! (To europe) Not sure exactly but out of my head the total costs were about 5100 usd for the system 170 shipping and 500 euro duty taxes for the import. (This is offcourse only if you deliver outside of USA). Had everything installed super easy within 45 minutes. The system is really amazing. 😃
Guys is it easy to set up vr with a motion rig? Ive seen/ read some info online about mounting a controller to the rig iteself but have also heard about tracking issues. Will (no pun intended) you be doing a feature on it in the future? Love ur work legends! 😊
Thanks very much for the very good review! Maybe you could review the simrig sr2, as it is again an entry level motion, and at least for europe, it is again a lot cheaper as tax and sending fees are lot cheaper. Would be great if you could do. Cheers, keep doing such a good job and take care.
@@boostedmedia Thanks man! I love how excited you get when testing the product, seems to bring a big smile on your face :) I'm seriously considering this unit once I've saved up the $$$ for it. I wonder if it is possible to use this with my entry level NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 which has the Seat Add On attached so it's a "complete" cockpit. I'm not too keen of getting a totally new setup because I just got this thing assembled.
Can two different systems be used in conjunction with each other. For example can I use the Sigma Integral DK2 with the PT actuator Traction Lose and Surge System. They would use different software so do I run 2 sets of software at the same time.
Will did you ever try and put the dbox on top of the nlr traction plus thinking of doing this with the dk2. I know Barry srg did this with his. But interested to see what your take is on it. Thanks
No we didn’t. We decommissioned the Traction Loss system after the review as it complicated making our racing videos. We’re going to be testing it with NLRs new motion system soon. Might try it with some 4 actuator systems after that.
If your aim is lap time is a traction loss system more important than a system like this? Also re the top floor comment would traction loss systems have the same issue?
We only have experience with the NLR system which we have a review on. I didn’t find it made me any faster. Traction loss can be interpreted by visuals and wheel force feedback.
@@boostedmedia no worries - thanks for taking the time to reply & keep up the great content, even if it does end up costing me $$$$ after I watch it and realise that there's something else for my rig that I never knew I needed
I would be interested in what happens when they go bankrupt. Can we then throw away the 5t$ HW or is there a way that the pistons also work with a Thanos Controler and SimTools f.e.!?
That’s a tough call. My main argument against the sigma is that ours is noisier than the dbox, but they seem to thing that clicking sound we have isn’t typical. I think any customer will be satisfied with either choice.
@@boostedmedia will, first of all thanks a lot for your answer. As I use headphones and Vr…and considering the price different…then should be a no brainer. Still have to see what you think of the NLR motion plus!
@@boostedmedia that's super cool! if i can give and advice and you feel like doing it, i believe people really need some sort of clear "comparisons" between the advantages / disadvantages of the various systems...very few people can try the different systems, so it's great if someone can give his take on which system would be the "best", even if that has some kind of inevitable subjectivity.
A bit too loud for the living room with the wife watching tv, silent enough that i dont hear it with headset at medium levels. I also got a kid doing gaming in the same room i run mine, and she`s not bothered at all, hardly notices it until i crash out. Common for all motion systems: it moves and vibrates a 150-200kg rig like it was 30kg, so any wood floor (like Tom mentioned in the review) will transfer vibrations. Turning off engine vibration, and adding smoothing helps alot if that`s an issue :)
@@-Ola-. Thanks for info dudes, have a marble floor so no problem, just wanted to know the DB but the price is way too much, 9500 is just too expensive for what it is
one can get an SFX 150 for $2000 plus shipping. with 3 times the displacement and faster movement at 250mm/s.. I would be curious to have anybody explain how such a system is twice better than an SFX 150.
DIY project vs. fully complete/ready for install product is the only explanation one needs for the price difference. Also, I bought a PT Actuator Scorpion for around the same price and I'm plenty more than capable of building a SFX150, but everything beyond the electronics is much better built on my PT Actuators. I'd expect this one to be the same. (I'm speaking of the heft of the metal work. Watch Sim Racing Garage/Barry take it apart and you'll see what I mean).
@@mikej6565 i also almost pulled the trigger on the pt actuator but nobody could convince me that it was worth twice the price as the eracing lab kit. So i took my chances. So far, almost one year of intensive use and no problems.
@@L_Emir_de_Passy Whatever gets your rig up in the air is what works... I even bought a spare actuator and servo driver board, just to be sure I'll keep them going into the future. Still worth the money for the robustness of it all.
Loving all the competition and innovation in the sim hardware market lately!
When you said: 'For most people it aint gonna be the loudest thing on the rig', I saw you thinking. It really made me smile when you followed up: 'No, actually I take that back, it is the loudest thing on this rig.'
Keep on the good work Will! In text comments often look more harsh than intended. Dont let it bother you. I def think 95% of all your followers really appreciate your efforts and honesty.
Nice review ;) I have had DK2 since last summer. I'm really happy with it, and the support from Sigma Integrale are the best I have experienced. They genuinely want you to be a happy customer, and I am. I run iRacing only and use VR. I have my settings quite low with no smoothing. It brings the immersion to the next level, and makes even a test drive alone on the track fun. I don't have the clicking noise showed in this video. It is not dead silent, but it is not a problem at all in my opinion.
I own the DK2 as well I have no rattles. I'm completely happy with it as well. Loved the update when they added engine vibration.
Hi Steffen, just got my DK2 and ran a "tuning" session. i also use VR and i have to dial the settings down quite a bit, otherwise i can't see a thing because of the shaking of the headset ;-) can you share your settings ? what i am missing a little bit is the "environment". Meaning i am not feeling it in the stomach when driving over a hill... also i think the road vibrations is extremely intense compared to the other settings, so ihad to dial them all the way down to 1. really courious what your experience is in that regard.
@@diegostalder9663 Hi Diego. Cool! What sim do you use? I only use iRacing, so I'm not sure if the settings will work the same way in other sims. My settings is. Gas/Brake Pitch:3, Turning Roll:1, Heave:5, Environment:2, Road Vibration:4, Engine vibration i put to 10 and 0/100. (sometimes in race I put it to 0 to feel the road much as possible.) This I know can very because of different rig and weight. I use a HP reverb G2 with trackers on the headset, so big movement can influence the tracking a bit. So I like small movements, but big movements don't give me anything. I want to feel the car. What headset and rig do you use? About the shaking of the headset. I also felt that first time I tried it, but its not a problem for me at the moment. Try to be more relaxed in your neck and absorb some of the vibration. You should join the community for Sigma on discord and Facebook. Many users can help you with the tuning. Im sure you will be happy with the DK2 when you tune it right and get used to it ;)
@@sscheen thx ! i use iracing to. i have varjo aero and a nlr f-gt elite cockpit. i defintitely will checkout discord.
@@diegostalder9663 I also have had a look at Varjo Aero. It looks awesome. Have you mounted the basestation on the rig or in the room? I would guess you would have less problems with big movements if the basestation was mounted and moved together with the rig. But I have not tried it myself. My G2 have camera trackers and no basestartion, so big movement would effect tracking for me.
I never expect a motion sim to make me faster, all I care about is the realism, so I can use it to practice IRL racing in the off season, as safely as possible.
Yeah, as someone who's looking to get into motion sim, being faster wasn't even remotely a consideration. I just want to play my racing and flying games/simulators with some deep levels of immersion.
Good review of a very good system! Had mine since oct/nov, used it 100`s of hours without any issues.
I never run my smoothing above 2 in any layer, normally 1 or 0 as it is so effective even at low levels and easily dampens road surface and lower rumble strips etc.. Race cars are`nt comfortable ;)
As for intensity, i normally run pitch at 3, roll at 2, and the rest at 4-5.
Never had those ticking sounds in mine though, mine`s smooth as they can be.
random question...do you have your monitors mounted so that they move along with the rig, or are they freestanding?
@@secretysecret1551 i run them separate from the rig, and i havent once felt it is wrong or wierd.. Maybe its better for some to have them to follow the rig, but you better secure them well unless you enjoy looking at vibrating and shaking monitors.
@@-Ola-. ah ok, thank you for the info. I'm barely getting into the whole rig scene, but couldn't figure out which route I should take. it seemed that the monitors should be mounted for full realism, but I can't imagine that even working remotely well....a heavy monitor bouncing up and down all day.
How much does it cost
@@-Ola-. I had the same concern. Someone else had said it was odd further down and it has me a little worried!
I got to try one of these kits at my work and was seriously impressed compared to 1.5 and 3-inch Dbox. I found this competes more with the 3-inch Dbox than the 1.5 IMHO.
If they could create a Simhub plugin, that would allow you to create per-car profiles, as Simhub lets you assign values to hardware for each individual car in each game.
Having driven several race cars ( mini's, escorts mostly) I can say with certainty that you hear rattles within the car as you drive around the circuits, so this " rattle" that you say is apparent in this system, would in my mind replicate the rattles you'd hear in most racing cars in real life, again a great review/tutorial as always, very concise and truthful, no punches pulled. Keep up the great videos Will, and thank you
Your wife not normally sitting 3 meters away from your mini though :D
Odd ticking sound. I have the DK2+ and there’s no ticking sounds. When turned up, you can hear the piston, but that’s it. The DK2+ is a beast. Great video though!
So would you say yours is quite?
@@CaseyM7 No, I wouldn’t call it quiet. If I’m wearing headphones, I don’t hear it. Using speakers, I hear but not overwhelming at my normal settings, which are on the lower end. They use a type of teflon that surrounds the piston instead of lubricant so it’s a different sound. I’d say louder than other actuators though. I have it paired with a GS-5 and it’s not as loud as that. But, no ticking, just movement.
God I'd love to have a motion rig. Feel like it'd really just take my sim rig to the next level.
Thanks Will, looking forward to seeing your DBox review also and how it compares to the others like this for the money. Something sorely missing in other reviews.
When will that be?
Will had the dbox since last year, so I have nfi why they are not reviewing it. I bought one, love it. Can't compare to this, but motion on the whole is really worth it when you have covered all your other bases.
I think it’s all about the money. Dbox is low volume, so they would rather review the stuff that a whole bunch of people will run out and buy for a few hundred bucks each (probably a better kickback for the cheaper stuff). Sadly, if they have no plans to review, they should just stay silent on it from the beginning. It’s a bit weird at this point.
The Dbox review will happen soon. We had planned on doing it end of last year but then our studio flooded and we’ve been playing catch up since. Dbox just had a major software update too so we held off for a while for that also.
@@boostedmedia totally get it, but you have also reviewed plenty of things that have been released “since”. Doesn’t seem like there is much of a driving experience difference in the new SW, as it seems the new functionality is tailored to supporting games with no telemetry and tying in their dbox connect service.
Looking forward to your review, but let’s be transparent - the delay has been largely voluntary deprioritization 😄. That’s OK, it’s just that some people may be waiting for your review to purchase and so they deserve more than “coming soon” month after month for almost 8 months. If you are not going to review for a number of months, just call it out. For example: “dbox review coming in August ‘22”
I use my D-box system only at 72% it does not make you faster but it is just pure fun, the rise of the rig on one side when you drive up a curbstone in combination with the vibration adds to the immersion especially in combination with VR.
I have had all three combination screens not moving, screens moving and VR.
Screens not moving does not work it gives a weird feeling when you brake and move closer to your screens.
How did you manage to have your screens moving with your rig? I have read that the movement may damage the screens. I have triple 32"
Why should movement damage a screen? There’s no logical reason for that.
As long as your screen holders are rigid enough and you don’t have this system where the screens are on individual stand instead of the rig, your good to go!
I really wish that someone would do to the full motion market as what fanatec did with the CSL DD.
A ready to run system, fully plug and play at a killer than everything else on the market.
Simrig SR 2 :)
@@rickywylde8137 that’s not even close man. That’s 8 grand. It’s not even close to affordable for the masses.
I’m talking literally half that.
Dont know where you are located but the Simrig SR2 is about 4k EUR in Europe
@@rickywylde8137 did you buy the simrig SR2? how did you feel on it? price seems fair, and also 70mm of travel doesn't look that bad, way more than the dbox gen 5
Guys, you sold me on this system. Going to purchase shortly!!!
U did? How is it?
I'm so glad Tom said that at the end about the noise. I've been looking at a motion system but my rig is upstairs, so was wondering if this would be the case.
I think that applies to any rig with motion, my GS5 seat is noisy too and I can hear it over the HP Reverb G2 headphones at full volume
I tested these for a month and didn't experience any rattling in mine. Not to say they were silent, but everything sounded as it should. I would love to try out the DK6 once they have VR motion compensation in their software. Sadly the engine vibration wasn't available yet when I tested it, would have really loved to experience it.
Would it be silent enough to be used in a apartment building? So that the people living below me wouldn't complain? :D
Does this feel like it’s been a while in the making or what? 😛
Either way glad to hear you’re generally impressed with the kit - and to hear just how much it undercuts the dBox on the price tag 😯
Having had the fortune to work with a Motion Systems Qubic series 4-actuator set when dialled in I agree they can be great for adding seat feel even if it doesn’t translate to pace improvements!
Would be nice to have a option to have them come in all black also 😬
Hearing Tom talk about the vibration travelling through the floor, a possible solution is a piece of MDF or fibre board laid over say a couple of exercise mats might deaden the vibration through to floor and transmitting it through to other rooms below
I agree with Tom, I have the DK2 and it's on the second level of my home. On higher settings my whole bedroom shakes, this is a powerful system, but it's great fun, also helpful in learning how the car is responding on track. The guys at Sigma are dedicated and extremely care about your experience with their system and the personal assistance you get makes it more valuable than any other systems.
Thanks for another great review!
Couple things I noticed that I thought I'd comment on. First, for *anyone who doesn't have a free Ethernet port,* rather than purchasing a USB→Ethernet adapter for about the same money ($15-20USD) you can pickup a PCIE Ethernet card. Which, assuming the computer is at least PCIE 3.0 (can't imagine _any_ sim titles running on anything older, not to mention if you can afford this kit... ;) ) you can use a 1x slot (could even get away with a dual Gigabit Ethernet port card and be okay.) If USB must be used for whatever reason, I'd highly recommend making sure it's USB 3minimum. While I doubt this system will nearing gigabit speeds, still better to have the head room (USB 2 is less then half Gigabit speed.)
Secondly, the 'transformer' on the PCB inside the control box, is actually an AC/DC converter. Taking the mains voltage input, and outputting 5VDC 2A. There will likely be a small transformer inside but if that was all it was you'd still have an AC output and that microcontroller it's powering would not be a happy camper😉 Not super important, but thought I'd mention it.
Anyways thanks again for another great video,
Michael
or an ethernet switch!
@@David-qu3ro yeah very well could work! As long as it doesn't confuse the software. It shouldn't since you're just pointing to it with an IP address, however, stranger things have happened when things are done in a way unplanned for by the software/firmware.
A switch isn’t going to work I don’t think as you need to be able to set a static IP for the port the device is connected to.
PCI-E 1.0 1x is enough for 2Gb speeds FYI. Looks like your confusing gigabit vs gigabyte. As far as static IP's on a switch, that will definitely normally work fine, and if some reason it doesn't that's a failure on Sigma Integrale's design.
Good video! Lots of info.
Next time you should upload at 60fps so it's easier to see movements and better game capture footage
Hopefully those kits might some day actually be affordable
Sounds like a good sense of bumps and curbs!
I have also purchased a sliding motion simulator and have started to distribute driving videos on this account.
Great review as always Will! Maybe you are planning to take a look at the new next level racing motion plus platform? It would be nice to see your opinion compared with Dbox and this Sigma integrale motion systems.
Thank you!
Great review. I’m sold!
Great vid. Always enjoy them. Always.
Dam this is awesome.
One day, cheers, Will.
There are various reasons a system can display some lag, from the hardware down to the software and the users settings. When making diy sfx there are also areas where a user can get something wrong on hardware settings itself (dbox etx dont ask you to change servo driver paramaters). The servos used in the SFX system are fast and powerful enough that if everything is done right there shouldnt be lag thats perceptible compared to other systems.
Hi Will, thank you so much for another awesome review. Actually I'm undecided between the sigma integrale or the Simrig sr2, which would be a lot cheaper but has no ability to simulate f.e. engine vibration as far as I know (or another option: no motion and saving the money 😆) how much impact does the vibration has regarding the immersion for you? Is it like 'nice to have' or 'essential', meaning without vibration / tactical Feedback there would be something 'missing' from your experience? Of course tactical Feedback could be added with buttkickers etc, but I would rather prefer an all in one solution rather than adjusting the buttkickers separately. As always thank you so much!
Did you make a decision? I'm looking at both systems as well. I think the DK2 will be winner.
@@davidjefferys4489 youtube keeps deleting my replies ^^ yes I chose the SR2 and I'm very happy with it. But the DK2 is a very interesting option, I didn't choose it because of import fees to the EU and poor reseller availability here...
@@MaxJacuzzi fair enough mate. Thanks for the reply
Hi Will: have you thought about making a comparative and category classification of all the products and devices that you have tested? I mean a rating from 1 to 10 (with decimals) so that we can get a quick idea of the true level of all of them. In each tested item you would only have to include the classification at the end, so it would be available in all of them and looking at the video of the most recent one, we would have all the items available.
For example: if I want to buy a steering wheel, I would only have to go to the video of the most recent steering wheel and at a quick glance I would see what the true level of all of them is. Then I could calmly go watch the video of the steering wheel that interests me and I would avoid having to watch 10 or 20 complete videos only to end up more confused than at the beginning.
Or would that be too difficult for you?
It’s an idea we’ve considered extensively, but so much of this is subjective it’s very hard to put a number on something. We thought about a points system but yeah. Not sure. It’s not off the cards though.
@@boostedmedia Yes, it is quite complicated (I know). Because as you indicate the process is all subjective. If they were complete kits it would be very easy: it would only be a matter of putting the times achieved on the same circuit.
It would only be a reference for us anyway. Your opinion is better than going blind to the store. If the decimals are removed, it could be viable. It is only about establishing a first classification: very good, good, normal, bad and very bad. And then, within the result, better or worse. Automatically you have a grade from 1 to 10 almost effortlessly.
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Hey will hope all is well on your end bro. Was keen to hear your opinion about the immersion when using with a VR headset etc
It’s covered in the video
@@boostedmedia Ahhhh, trust me to miss they seciton after watching 40 mins at least of it haha ;/
Sorry let me rephrase, I guess I was hoping to see you use it with VR in the video whilst driving and talking around it :)
to Quote Batman - does it come in black?
Next level racing motion platform or Sigma? Was about to pull the trigger on the NLR but this has me on the fence.
We’ll be reviewing the NLR system soon.
Awesome
I saw SimRacing 604's review on that which is what originally got me thinking about it. I would be super grateful if you include the specific comparison of the NLR with the Sigma. Thank you.
Hi, did you do any testing with VR? i'm interested to know whether there is any sensor interference like EMI issues? appreciate if u could let me know as I'm seriously considering this system?
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Hi Will, I have a question if you don't mind: I currently run 27" triples set just behind my wheel for maximum immersion. If I were to get the DK2, how much monitor clearance do I need? Could I still get away with rising my screen a little but not needing to place them all the way back behind my wheel base? Thank you!
2nd this .. does anyone have the answer ?
@@Raceeverything I ended up ordering a PT Actuators Champion GT (125mm of travel, so it’s longer). I will optimise my monitor placement once it’s delivered and I’ll update you.
@@SalvatoreIovene I´m on the fence considering exactly these 2 options... anxious to hear your take on the PT option
@@felipegalindo1313 got the Champion GT. The 125mm of travel make no matter, I'm still able to run the monitors very close to the wheel. I moved back and higher a bit, but not that much. Only cost me a few degrees of FOV. It's not really noticeable.
you can raise your monitors 3in and should be good. i have mine mounted on the rig. 49in. i had to get rid of my triples cause of space. ive been running the dk2 for almost 2 years
Love the channel, love the reviews, I bought the SIMRIG 2 for my simulator, was wondering if you could potentially review those motion actuators at one point.
How did the Trak Racer TR120 hold up as a motion rig?
there is 4 holes on top of the motors. mabe it's there to add a small fan. mabe the USB port is to plug it? better cooling for the heat exchanger
The 4 holes on top of the motor are for a small fan. But the motors run cool and hence the fans would only be needed for extreme environments.
@SIGMAIntegrale I can't wait to buy you dk2+ So many project but your system make this project obtainable
Argh! I want this so bad! How do i get one without having to play it in a tent? Haha
Is that rattling and clicking happening with all DK2s? And if not, would it then be quieter than the DBOX?
Unfortunately, this was an independent issue with this demo system. The system is 60-65 dB at full speed. The floor reverberations are much more pronounced and can be 'silenced' by having the system on carpet or a gym mat. :-)
@boostedmedia, can you explain how you added the extra profile in the front? please and thanks
Quick queston. Does the price include the seat or is it purchased separately? What about the steering wheel?
The price is just the motion system. Not the cockpit
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Does travel distance mean 50 mm up down or both?
If only the dk2 3 system was still under 4k. It's up to 4400 now 😔
Do you think It’s worth the price if you cannot mount the 32 inch tripples to it?
G'day Will and Tom, great review. How do you think this system would integrate with the Next Level GT Track cockpit? My setup is currently sitting on 6 castors. Making some brackets wouldn't be a problem to adapt to the the profile style mounting, more concerned about the possible flex and load on the main frame of the GT Track given only 4 supports vs 6?? Cheers, Paul
Hard to say but I can’t imagine it would stand up to it too well as it’s not really designed for something like this.
@@boostedmedia Hey Will, the latest Next Level racing motion system seems to work on the GT Track frame from the ads at least. Your right, I think the rigidity of this style compared to the profile style may impact somewhat??
Nice review
What frequency does this run at? Is it 60hz for iRacing like their FFB telemetry? If you use irFFB does it run at 360hz? Great video as always, just looking for more info.
IRFFB only impacts DirectInput, not UDP telemetry so it has no impact on what the motion system sees as far as I’m aware.
For iRacing, the shared memory telemetry rate is 360 Hz, and that is what the DK motion system uses. This rate allows the road vibrations layer to be highly detailed. However, other game telemetries are still at 60 Hz, so we implemented an algorithm that artificially boosts the telemetry rate for these games. AC, ACC and R3E are games with a telemetry rate that is 300+ Hz. For all other motion layers (pitch layers, roll layers, heave and engine vibrations), 60 Hz is more than good enough.
Hello, can you do a review complète about your Dbox please, thanks :-)
Might just wait in the Gen5 that’s coming out.
@@damiengvideos4337 how do you know about the Gen5? Didn't find anything on the web
@@vannibombonato4180 You have to contact a vendor and see if they are willing to give you any info. It’s not out yet but I’m told it’s very close.
Is there as much haptic as a Dbox 4250i?
Question, thanks to this review I ordered the DK2 system :D. But I need a new rig (have a tubed rig now). I really like this Track Racer TR120 but is the bottom of the frame stiff enough for it? (because it has the curved connectors in the middle of the frame)
How much was your dk2 system total and what’s the shipping time ? Considering getting one or saving more for dbox
@JDZA 916 I already received it. Was delivered within 2 weeks! (To europe) Not sure exactly but out of my head the total costs were about 5100 usd for the system 170 shipping and 500 euro duty taxes for the import. (This is offcourse only if you deliver outside of USA). Had everything installed super easy within 45 minutes. The system is really amazing. 😃
@@denimdimi nice. I just ordered my rs mega+ , looking forward to it.
@@CaliCuhhow is the RS motion?
@@denimdimi love it man. Can never go back to a regular rig lol.
The new GEN5 DBOX 4250i will have integrated controllers to its actuators and will be priced at 7100$ USD. Price is close to the DK2+.
Excited to get my Gen5 😊
How do you know about the Gen5? Didn't find anything online
@@vannibombonato4180 I know someone working there.
@@tapidlittle13 thanks for the answer. Any insights/rumors on the technical side of it?
@@vannibombonato4180 exact same specs and performance but less expensive and integrated controllers on the side of the actuators.
Guys is it easy to set up vr with a motion rig?
Ive seen/ read some info online about mounting a controller to the rig iteself but have also heard about tracking issues.
Will (no pun intended) you be doing a feature on it in the future?
Love ur work legends! 😊
At the motion levels these systems run (2 inches or less) we haven’t found it to be necessary. It’s discussed in this video.
@@boostedmedia Ha ha jumped the gun. ☺️ I was only 10 mins in. Still watching tho great review as always champions. 👌
Can you mount this on a trak racer tr8 pro?
Thanks very much for the very good review! Maybe you could review the simrig sr2, as it is again an entry level motion, and at least for europe, it is again a lot cheaper as tax and sending fees are lot cheaper. Would be great if you could do. Cheers, keep doing such a good job and take care.
Why do they have the option for 3 and 4 actuators?
Lower price point. Allows someone to get into motion and upgrade to 4 down the road.
Is this superior to the NLR Motion Plus? I'm just starting to watch the video :)
Yes
@@boostedmedia Thanks man! I love how excited you get when testing the product, seems to bring a big smile on your face :) I'm seriously considering this unit once I've saved up the $$$ for it. I wonder if it is possible to use this with my entry level NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 which has the Seat Add On attached so it's a "complete" cockpit. I'm not too keen of getting a totally new setup because I just got this thing assembled.
Will you test the SR2 motion system from simrig?
Can two different systems be used in conjunction with each other. For example can I use the Sigma Integral DK2 with the PT actuator Traction Lose and Surge System. They would use different software so do I run 2 sets of software at the same time.
It seemed to work ok for Barry (sim racing garage) when he used multiple ecosystems to build his 6DOF system.
Great Video, but you have no love for rF2. Sebring in a GT3 is the best motion experience you can have.
Completely agree that rF2 is great with motion, it’s my personal favorite. D-box user here.
Can this be used with any type on rig??
Will did you ever try and put the dbox on top of the nlr traction plus thinking of doing this with the dk2. I know Barry srg did this with his. But interested to see what your take is on it. Thanks
No we didn’t. We decommissioned the Traction Loss system after the review as it complicated making our racing videos.
We’re going to be testing it with NLRs new motion system soon. Might try it with some 4 actuator systems after that.
@@boostedmedia Thanks Will for your quick reply 👍
Sigma? Then if you have it in your rig then you'll achieve gigachad status
Thanks :)
If your aim is lap time is a traction loss system more important than a system like this? Also re the top floor comment would traction loss systems have the same issue?
We only have experience with the NLR system which we have a review on. I didn’t find it made me any faster. Traction loss can be interpreted by visuals and wheel force feedback.
Si has no motion compensation, have you tried in vr?
Currently being on worked on. ;-) Our current DK customers just apply more smoothing and lower some of the intensity settings for some of the layers.
Will, would you mind sharing a screenshot of your D-Box profile? I'm trying to dial mine in, so wouldn't mind trying your settings.
I have mine dialled way back to suit content creation so it wouldn’t be much use
@@boostedmedia no worries - thanks for taking the time to reply & keep up the great content, even if it does end up costing me $$$$ after I watch it and realise that there's something else for my rig that I never knew I needed
I think it would be much better with safety belt.
I would be interested in what happens when they go bankrupt. Can we then throw away the 5t$ HW or is there a way that the pistons also work with a Thanos Controler and SimTools f.e.!?
Always a good question at these product asking prices. What is the long term plan for the company? What happens if they don't survive?
If price was the same, would you prefer a dbox or sigma?
That’s a tough call. My main argument against the sigma is that ours is noisier than the dbox, but they seem to thing that clicking sound we have isn’t typical. I think any customer will be satisfied with either choice.
@@boostedmedia will, first of all thanks a lot for your answer. As I use headphones and Vr…and considering the price different…then should be a no brainer. Still have to see what you think of the NLR motion plus!
That review will be happening ASAP. We’re excited to be checking it out too.
@@boostedmedia that's super cool! if i can give and advice and you feel like doing it, i believe people really need some sort of clear "comparisons" between the advantages / disadvantages of the various systems...very few people can try the different systems, so it's great if someone can give his take on which system would be the "best", even if that has some kind of inevitable subjectivity.
Yep. We’ll do our best :)
Can you also let us know what kind of sound this makes for everyone DB if you can
Don’t have a sound level meter. Sorry.
A bit too loud for the living room with the wife watching tv, silent enough that i dont hear it with headset at medium levels.
I also got a kid doing gaming in the same room i run mine, and she`s not bothered at all, hardly notices it until i crash out.
Common for all motion systems: it moves and vibrates a 150-200kg rig like it was 30kg, so any wood floor (like Tom mentioned in the review) will transfer vibrations. Turning off engine vibration, and adding smoothing helps alot if that`s an issue :)
@@-Ola-. Thanks for info dudes, have a marble floor so no problem, just wanted to know the DB but the price is way too much, 9500 is just too expensive for what it is
@@boostedmedia Info, dudes, It's available for free on your cell phone
A phone app is not an accurate way to measure sound pressure level. I worked for 5 years as a Acoustic Calibration technician ;)
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Instantly know it’s out of my budget lol
one can get an SFX 150 for $2000 plus shipping. with 3 times the displacement and faster movement at 250mm/s.. I would be curious to have anybody explain how such a system is twice better than an SFX 150.
DIY project vs. fully complete/ready for install product is the only explanation one needs for the price difference. Also, I bought a PT Actuator Scorpion for around the same price and I'm plenty more than capable of building a SFX150, but everything beyond the electronics is much better built on my PT Actuators. I'd expect this one to be the same. (I'm speaking of the heft of the metal work. Watch Sim Racing Garage/Barry take it apart and you'll see what I mean).
@@mikej6565 i also almost pulled the trigger on the pt actuator but nobody could convince me that it was worth twice the price as the eracing lab kit. So i took my chances. So far, almost one year of intensive use and no problems.
@@L_Emir_de_Passy Whatever gets your rig up in the air is what works... I even bought a spare actuator and servo driver board, just to be sure I'll keep them going into the future. Still worth the money for the robustness of it all.
Note that when you brake, it would be more realistic to move the seat BACKWARDS, away from your head
haha the price its what i eran in one year of work
Then get a better job or develop higher paying skills.
sigma males only
Is it ps5 compatible?
Imagine someone making this ps5 compatible. 👍🤮
That's what I want
way too expensive compared to e-racing labs for 4 dof.
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like all american made products. Its just not sustainable