Drinking water that came from the Moon sounds like the best advertisment ever. Like, you would barely have to sell me on it for me to want it. That just sounds awesome.
Does this mean bringing tons of goats or cows and building a large enough lunar base for a grassfield? Or, I guess there is one very taboo way to cut corners…
I love watching your videos and realising just how outdated most of the stuff I was taught about the solar system in high school (which mind you was only 4 years ago for me) has already become outdated. I was told that the moon is completely uninhabitable and barren and pointless for exploration. I never knew about the concept of permanent dark spots or the potential of water ice here. Science is so cool.
That's....god damn our education system, man. People finding their way into a love of science is a bug, not a feature. And you can definitely speculate on some meta reasons that might be.
The main problem with Shackleton crater is how deep it is- about 4.2km. If you are landing at the bottom and building your base there, that’s a long, steep climb to build your solar panel farm on one of those Peaks of (Nearly) Eternal Light. Sea of Tranquility on the other hand is on the Equator, easy to land on, and has endless flat plain to build your base on. Here you have ample sunlight to power solar furnaces, and their residual heat should be more than enough to power life support during the night. No ice there, of course, but ISS water recycling system is already incredibly efficient. Little replenishment would be needed and the extra water can easily be shipped in. And by water I mean hydrogen, and by hydrogen I mean methane. Oxygen is easily baked out of the regolith. Burn the methane (extra power source during the night, too) to make water; use the carbon for other things. The water ice deposits are only really needed for fuel production. But maybe we can do without any way. If Methalox is your choice of fuel, oxygen is 2/3 of the weight, and would be produced locally anyway. Or you make aluminium-O2 monopropellant instead. Lower ISP, true, but its literally dirt cheap! All considered my vote is for an equatorial base instead.
Those are some really good reasons, can I be real with you though? How will that base ever possibly function without a space station in a near rectilinear halo orbit?? Bet you didn't think of that, did you?
I somewhat agree but the iss is a really bad comparison for a number of reason, the end goal isn't to have a small scale science base like the iss, it's to begin the process of actually taming the moon, which means a moon settlement supporting thousands of people, this would require UNGODLY amounts of water and not just because of more people drinking it, you now have to factor in factories, aquaponics, machinery, chemicals, pluming, and later down the line when they're importing less, even simple amenities we use every day like hair spray cleaning products, they all need water, and frankly it's very unlikely we can affordably recycle water as efficiently as the iss, after all they only do it because they have to . People always talk about how it's so hard to abandon crude oil because even if you stop burning it we use the stuff to make literally everything now a days, even things most wouldn't realize contain plastic, like clothes, furniture, and cars. Water has the same issue, except unlike oil there is no alternative like cotton clothing or bio plastics, the stuff is used in literally every industry that has ever existed, that's why even today cities have to hug river and lakes. A lunar James town would require tens of thousands of metric tons of water and like I said a lunar James Town IS the goal here (for people like us at least). So you either produce water locally, or lose billions shipping that water when you'd much rather use that money to send more of the things the moon can't produce locally. Of course the poles do still suck because water is the only thing they have going for them, settling there would basically be trading the lack of water for a lack of everything else and then you're right back where the problem started, so I'm hoping there's one of these cold traps in a crater or lava tube that's closer to one of the flatter equatorial areas, this would also give you the benefit of not having to live in the crater but rather driving across the flat land to mine it and then drag it back to where the settlement actually is (there are other things to nerd out about on this but I don't want to make you have to read any more of this)
Moon DLC dropped like 50 years ago, only like 4 players ever joined though and they left the server as soon as they were able to because the developers "forgot" to build a social hub. Moon DLC didn't even have basic quest NPC's. You literally had to pay millions of dollars to go to an empty playable space. Wasn't worth it!
Kyplanet this is completely random but I randomly had a dream that the Soviet Union had a plan to use asteroids to affect the gravity of Jupiter’s moons and bring one into earths orbit but ultimately decided against it due to realizing that it would kinda mess with the earth’s whole cycle. I don’t know which moon (it was blue) but I think subconsciously this idea came about from your video about using asteroids to affect earths orbit.
So interesting how the Moon is a combination of extremely hot and extremely cold places, sometimes right next to each other. Would make it so alien to explore. And seeing Earth upside down from the south pole's perspective.
I mean, we can't really know if schrödinger's crater has water or not until we visit there... Therefore it can be argued that the water both exists and doesn't exist until someone actually finds it.
That's a big rock with 15 by 15 days day ight cycle, ranging from smoking hot 150 to near-absolute zero degrees celsius, with like several big lakes worth of water and a crispy 50 rads per year. Sounds like a good tourist resort, for a while.
It would be amazing if you could review and comment on the arguments made by the channel Anthrofuturism about why an initial moon base should *not* be at the south pole.
You know what? Because of you, whenever I see a sci-fi setting about Earth people (such as ourselves humans) in space (preexisting or otherwise), I will make it involve the moon. =D
This can be seen in my headcanonical version of the Risk of Rain franchise's setting, where the moon of our planet is a major part of said version's history.
Greet overview of the south pole. Yes, it's great luck that the first location for a base will have incredible local terrain to explore. Also just a production FYI that there are bits of static in your audio right after many video transitions (8:19 and 8:43 for example).
water is the most valuable near term resource on the moon, metals and maybe even h3 (though maybe not) from the regolith are likely the most valuable mid term, but due to the the massive metalic object under the South Pole-Aitkens Basin that is estimated to be 5x the size of the big island of Hawaii the SPAB could represent the most valuable real estate on the moon in the long term. If scans about its metalicity are correct, we could be looking at what is essentially a baby Psyche 16 just sitting there beneath the lunar south pole. as an aside, since the SPAB crater appears to be the oldest one on the moon, and given crust scans of the south pole indicating a low inclination impact, it is generally considered likely that the polar mountains referenced in this video were formed as ejecta from the ancient impact that imparted the metalic asteroid which now lies beneath the south pole.
Great video. Just wish you can point out these specific areas ie pointer or label. Not sure if some of these pictures matches your description 👨🏿💻🤷🏿♂️👍🏿
Bro Indonesia doesn't even have a space program sorry. If they join the artemis accords they might get Indonesian astronauts on the moon, or they could ask china and join Chinas moonbase. This would maybe happen in the 2030's. Indonesia is equatorial which is good for reaching some orbits but the cost to make infrastructure is way more than the cost to just launch from existing pads. Sorry.
can you make a video about how trappist 1e is not habitable, I have some evidence, the star its orbiting (Trappist 1) is literally almost the same size of jupiter, from what I know, I think stars have to be a yellow dwarf star to at least have planets to support life.
There are orange drawf that are a in between of yellow darf or red dawrf, also it depends on the distance of the planet, it's athmosphere, it's rotation etc etc
Artemis III is unlikely to fly anytime soon. It's supposed to land using the Space Nazi's craft, and each lunar landing by the Space Nazi's craft demands 12-16 tanker flights beyond launching the lander according to external estimates, and 8 according to the Space Nazi himself. And before that, there has to be an unmanned test landing according to NASA's contract with the Space Nazi. That's a minimum of 17 launches, according to Space Nazi's estimate, and up to 33, before Artemis III could try to land. It's ridiculous.
stop giving elon musk credit for things he didn’t do starship HLS is not his rocket. He did not build it, he did not design it. He didn’t even pay for it. He is a figurehead and nothing more. If you actually don’t like elon musk, then stop giving him credit for things he didn’t make and had no hand in designing Spacex is doing great things *DESPITE* him, NOT because of him. You clearly don’t like him (and neither do I) yet you’re still giving him credit for things thousands of real engineers made (and guess what, blue moon needs a similar number of launches. It’s almost like bigger landers need more fuel and it’s not unique to spacex)
@@Kyplanet893 Elon Musk = SpaceX for media, politicians, space 'influencers' and his fans. Lunar Starship will not be connected to the name of any other person than Elon Musk, like the Starship overall. Any success for SpaceX is success for his agenda. And beyond that agenda, the Lunar Starship won't work because of the ridiculous amount of launches needed.
@@Kyplanet893I guess folks still idealized a south african billionaire who is nothing than a figurehead who takes other real engineers and scientists or visionary credits to his own. Latam does have fan of him whether you believe it or not. Thankfully , some engineers or scientists are spreading awareness of this issue. I saw one dominican doing so in spanish.
No shit its booked for two years from now and the orions heat shield doesn't even work. When Trump wins SLS will get shit canned and SpaceX will land the astronauts on the moon in 2028, just after China's uncrewed landing. Cope, the stars belong to us.
Drinking water that came from the Moon sounds like the best advertisment ever.
Like, you would barely have to sell me on it for me to want it. That just sounds awesome.
you’d pay more for… normal water?
At the lunar south pole
Straight up drinkin' it
And by "it" I mean haha
My water
it would be kinda wasteful to send it to earth when earth has enough water
@@Flesh_Wizard nice poem mr flesh wizard
@@_apsispeople pay hundreds for water thats been run through diamonds so.. yes.
They should make cheese on the moon and sell it as "moon cheese"
Gentlemen, this man here is a mastermind at work!
THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE BUT I CAN'T TASTE ITTT
Uhh bro we already have cheese on the moon it's literally made of it!
"CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!!"
- Sheogorath
Does this mean bringing tons of goats or cows and building a large enough lunar base for a grassfield?
Or, I guess there is one very taboo way to cut corners…
I love watching your videos and realising just how outdated most of the stuff I was taught about the solar system in high school (which mind you was only 4 years ago for me) has already become outdated. I was told that the moon is completely uninhabitable and barren and pointless for exploration. I never knew about the concept of permanent dark spots or the potential of water ice here. Science is so cool.
That's....god damn our education system, man. People finding their way into a love of science is a bug, not a feature. And you can definitely speculate on some meta reasons that might be.
A day on which Kyplanet posts is a good day
You’re correct.
The main problem with Shackleton crater is how deep it is- about 4.2km. If you are landing at the bottom and building your base there, that’s a long, steep climb to build your solar panel farm on one of those Peaks of (Nearly) Eternal Light.
Sea of Tranquility on the other hand is on the Equator, easy to land on, and has endless flat plain to build your base on. Here you have ample sunlight to power solar furnaces, and their residual heat should be more than enough to power life support during the night.
No ice there, of course, but ISS water recycling system is already incredibly efficient. Little replenishment would be needed and the extra water can easily be shipped in. And by water I mean hydrogen, and by hydrogen I mean methane.
Oxygen is easily baked out of the regolith. Burn the methane (extra power source during the night, too) to make water; use the carbon for other things.
The water ice deposits are only really needed for fuel production. But maybe we can do without any way. If Methalox is your choice of fuel, oxygen is 2/3 of the weight, and would be produced locally anyway. Or you make aluminium-O2 monopropellant instead. Lower ISP, true, but its literally dirt cheap!
All considered my vote is for an equatorial base instead.
Those are some really good reasons, can I be real with you though? How will that base ever possibly function without a space station in a near rectilinear halo orbit?? Bet you didn't think of that, did you?
I somewhat agree but the iss is a really bad comparison for a number of reason, the end goal isn't to have a small scale science base like the iss, it's to begin the process of actually taming the moon, which means a moon settlement supporting thousands of people, this would require UNGODLY amounts of water and not just because of more people drinking it, you now have to factor in factories, aquaponics, machinery, chemicals, pluming, and later down the line when they're importing less, even simple amenities we use every day like hair spray cleaning products, they all need water, and frankly it's very unlikely we can affordably recycle water as efficiently as the iss, after all they only do it because they have to . People always talk about how it's so hard to abandon crude oil because even if you stop burning it we use the stuff to make literally everything now a days, even things most wouldn't realize contain plastic, like clothes, furniture, and cars.
Water has the same issue, except unlike oil there is no alternative like cotton clothing or bio plastics, the stuff is used in literally every industry that has ever existed, that's why even today cities have to hug river and lakes. A lunar James town would require tens of thousands of metric tons of water and like I said a lunar James Town IS the goal here (for people like us at least). So you either produce water locally, or lose billions shipping that water when you'd much rather use that money to send more of the things the moon can't produce locally. Of course the poles do still suck because water is the only thing they have going for them, settling there would basically be trading the lack of water for a lack of everything else and then you're right back where the problem started, so I'm hoping there's one of these cold traps in a crater or lava tube that's closer to one of the flatter equatorial areas, this would also give you the benefit of not having to live in the crater but rather driving across the flat land to mine it and then drag it back to where the settlement actually is (there are other things to nerd out about on this but I don't want to make you have to read any more of this)
moon dlc when
Moon DLC dropped like 50 years ago, only like 4 players ever joined though and they left the server as soon as they were able to because the developers "forgot" to build a social hub. Moon DLC didn't even have basic quest NPC's. You literally had to pay millions of dollars to go to an empty playable space. Wasn't worth it!
@hibbs1712 I think they were planning to update it on 2025-2026 I think? idk it's pretty complicated
I’m working on it
Rainbolt would go hard on this
Black ops 1 already did it
1:14 me too moon, me too
never stop making videos good sir!!
As long as we don't find a weird anomaly in Shackleton Crater, we can avoid...*that.*
are we talking mare ignis video or arthur c clarke novel?
*you have alerted the hoard*
A THOUSAND SUNS IGNITE THE LUNAR SKIES
@@Sky_Guy LUNA BURNS
@@Techno_Idioto i do sometimes wonder why Mare Ignis took off to the point i can find fans in every space related comment section XD
Kyplanet this is completely random but I randomly had a dream that the Soviet Union had a plan to use asteroids to affect the gravity of Jupiter’s moons and bring one into earths orbit but ultimately decided against it due to realizing that it would kinda mess with the earth’s whole cycle. I don’t know which moon (it was blue) but I think subconsciously this idea came about from your video about using asteroids to affect earths orbit.
I had that dream to
Maybe Europa. It has a deep ocean so it would be beneficial. If you terraform Europa it will likely have a perpetual ocean across the surface.
This was really interesting to watch!
So interesting how the Moon is a combination of extremely hot and extremely cold places, sometimes right next to each other. Would make it so alien to explore. And seeing Earth upside down from the south pole's perspective.
please make a video about the Europa Clipper🙏
I mean, we can't really know if schrödinger's crater has water or not until we visit there... Therefore it can be argued that the water both exists and doesn't exist until someone actually finds it.
schrödinger's ice cube if you will.
That's a big rock with 15 by 15 days day
ight cycle, ranging from smoking hot 150 to near-absolute zero degrees celsius, with like several big lakes worth of water and a crispy 50 rads per year. Sounds like a good tourist resort, for a while.
11 minutes ago is diabolical
It would be amazing if you could review and comment on the arguments made by the channel Anthrofuturism about why an initial moon base should *not* be at the south pole.
i agree with him, but it’s going to be so
might as well make the most of it
@@Kyplanet893 K cool, thanks for answering. That seems like a reasonable stance to take about it.
You know what? Because of you, whenever I see a sci-fi setting about Earth people (such as ourselves humans) in space (preexisting or otherwise), I will make it involve the moon. =D
This can be seen in my headcanonical version of the Risk of Rain franchise's setting, where the moon of our planet is a major part of said version's history.
Greet overview of the south pole. Yes, it's great luck that the first location for a base will have incredible local terrain to explore.
Also just a production FYI that there are bits of static in your audio right after many video transitions (8:19 and 8:43 for example).
hell yeah it feels like sooo long, when you don't upload :D
water is the most valuable near term resource on the moon, metals and maybe even h3 (though maybe not) from the regolith are likely the most valuable mid term, but due to the the massive metalic object under the South Pole-Aitkens Basin that is estimated to be 5x the size of the big island of Hawaii the SPAB could represent the most valuable real estate on the moon in the long term. If scans about its metalicity are correct, we could be looking at what is essentially a baby Psyche 16 just sitting there beneath the lunar south pole.
as an aside, since the SPAB crater appears to be the oldest one on the moon, and given crust scans of the south pole indicating a low inclination impact, it is generally considered likely that the polar mountains referenced in this video were formed as ejecta from the ancient impact that imparted the metalic asteroid which now lies beneath the south pole.
3 minutes ago is crazy
Indeed it is crazy, i remember being crazy in the past 3 minutes
@@NevadaMostWanted658 crazy? i was crazy once...
Any more information on lunar gateway? Love your videos BTW.
very informative, as always! but some of the footage is a bit laggy and there's quite a bit of audio crackling between audio clips
Hopefully this doesn’t turn out like Apollo 18 (the movie).
Or Mare Ignis (LUNA B U R N S)
Great video. Just wish you can point out these specific areas ie pointer or label. Not sure if some of these pictures matches your description 👨🏿💻🤷🏿♂️👍🏿
please consider creating a video on the space exploration/space colonization potential of Indonesia 🇮🇩 please 🙏.**
Bro Indonesia doesn't even have a space program sorry. If they join the artemis accords they might get Indonesian astronauts on the moon, or they could ask china and join Chinas moonbase. This would maybe happen in the 2030's. Indonesia is equatorial which is good for reaching some orbits but the cost to make infrastructure is way more than the cost to just launch from existing pads. Sorry.
can you make a video about how trappist 1e is not habitable, I have some evidence, the star its orbiting (Trappist 1) is literally almost the same size of jupiter, from what I know, I think stars have to be a yellow dwarf star to at least have planets to support life.
There are orange drawf that are a in between of yellow darf or red dawrf, also it depends on the distance of the planet, it's athmosphere, it's rotation etc etc
You should make a video bro, you got our interest 😮
Is the surface really glassy like trinitite or Libyan desert glass?
Please make a video on Indonesian space exploration potential 🇮🇩 .*
They don't even have a Space program dude
👍🏼
If the entire moon turned into a lava world, how was the crater shape maintained?
the area of the impact stayed hotter for longer, so cooled later than the rest of the moon and left a circular shape
How do the future human colony in the Moon avoid all those $$$ effort got F-up by random meteor hits?
getting hit with a meteor on the moon is rarer than being struck by lighting on earth and very easily mitigated
Please make Majora's Mask on the moon.
Remember this as one of the first comments…
Where is "How Starship can change spaceflight"?
I want to watch Godzilla LaserDiscs on the Moon 🌝 💿
dudde… fuck yess…
σιρ ςηατ ισ α μοον?
1st to comment.
Dang this guy HATES terrain!
pull up
terrain
sink rate
BWOIP BWOIP BWOIP
flaps
terrain
too low
terrain
pull up
terrain
terrain
ter
@@OutbackCatgirl ai comment?
no, reference to aircraft computer telling you to pull up
Artemis III is unlikely to fly anytime soon. It's supposed to land using the Space Nazi's craft, and each lunar landing by the Space Nazi's craft demands 12-16 tanker flights beyond launching the lander according to external estimates, and 8 according to the Space Nazi himself. And before that, there has to be an unmanned test landing according to NASA's contract with the Space Nazi. That's a minimum of 17 launches, according to Space Nazi's estimate, and up to 33, before Artemis III could try to land. It's ridiculous.
stop giving elon musk credit for things he didn’t do
starship HLS is not his rocket. He did not build it, he did not design it. He didn’t even pay for it. He is a figurehead and nothing more. If you actually don’t like elon musk, then stop giving him credit for things he didn’t make and had no hand in designing
Spacex is doing great things *DESPITE* him, NOT because of him. You clearly don’t like him (and neither do I) yet you’re still giving him credit for things thousands of real engineers made
(and guess what, blue moon needs a similar number of launches. It’s almost like bigger landers need more fuel and it’s not unique to spacex)
@@Kyplanet893 Elon Musk = SpaceX for media, politicians, space 'influencers' and his fans. Lunar Starship will not be connected to the name of any other person than Elon Musk, like the Starship overall. Any success for SpaceX is success for his agenda. And beyond that agenda, the Lunar Starship won't work because of the ridiculous amount of launches needed.
@@Kyplanet893I guess folks still idealized a south african billionaire who is nothing than a figurehead who takes other real engineers and scientists or visionary credits to his own. Latam does have fan of him whether you believe it or not. Thankfully , some engineers or scientists are spreading awareness of this issue. I saw one dominican doing so in spanish.
No shit its booked for two years from now and the orions heat shield doesn't even work. When Trump wins SLS will get shit canned and SpaceX will land the astronauts on the moon in 2028, just after China's uncrewed landing. Cope, the stars belong to us.
I didn't know that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Justin Trudeau, Kier Starmer were launching rockets into space.
Why do humans assume that the ice on the moon wouldn’t be toxic in some way? What if it’s contaminated with some sort of chemical or carcinogen?
because we can clean it if needed