BF2 is from an era that will probably never be repeated. The right people, the right time, the right environment. I miss it. Thanks for the video, reminded me of how things used to be.
@@josephwilson3180 Indeed, I raced in iRacing with one of the Squad programmers. It's a good game, but with random's it can be hell. Though admittedly I preferred BF4 over the previous iterations, I think everything post 4 has been a trash fire. To counter one point Chris made, I think the map design needs updating to provide better cover as the view distance change makes more sense. The old fog of war was a view distance problem, not really a game play element, though it obviously had a huge effect on gameplay.
Imagine if instead of the current project reality, we'd have Battlefield 4: project reality. Granted, it'd propably have a fraction of the content of pr, but it would still be extremely cool.
because game development stopped being run by gamers and is now dictated by suits who only see money "what? players creating their own content? that means they aint paying us to do it! get rid of that non sense asap"
I sunk so much time into BF2 one summer. I had such a good time. Wake Island was my absolute favorite map, 2nd was Karkand. My mom was so mad that I was playing all the time...
@@danielkoontz6732 haha I can definitely relate to that, I spent a few hundred hours in that game, and never did I try to get the most kills, it was all about teamwork even as a teenager. It's really disappointing to see a series I loved so much be ruined.
Ooh that “welcome to duty” sent chills down my spine in a way I haven’t felt in years... I do defend the newer battlefields I’ve played (3 and 4), but aside from the sounds and animations even I think bf2 is the best.
BearWithMe 4 mainly due to hit detection and weapon variety. I also like how the class system allows you to essentially recreate the classes from BF2 just simplified. Though that part is not without its drawbacks, such as the possibility for someone to choose grenade launcher plus medpack and no shock paddles making a mostly selfish kit.
I can't imagine EA authorising DICE to build a game like BF2 again, shareholders demand as much growth as possible and subsequently, Battlefield will only ever be aimed at a broad player base from now on. I only hope they make whatever is next an actually good game, with cohesive elements instead of smashing stuff at a wall, seeing what sticks, and then ignoring what sticks in favour of more smashing.
Well you only have to look at all the niche attempts at BF2 clones to see why no one would touch it with a ten foot pole. No AAA game would waste its time on such a niche audience.
@@FloorFerret I don't think it's a niche audience. BF2 never had a true successor in 15 years. We can only imagine if DICE had a passion project continuing directly where BF2 left off.
TBH I would be happy if we get a new BF like BF 3, BF 2 seems fun but also from another time. DICE and EA want to make AAA titels, and they need a big audience to justify the big investment.
Finally, a education on all the people who missed out on Battlefield 2. Those same people who made Battlefield and Desert Combat are no longer at DICE, just a new company wearing DICE's name.
Desert Combat eXtended was the shit back in the day and for good reason. Glad it made BF2 possible and also puts in perspective how much has changed since BF1942
BF2 is without any doubt the best Battlefield ever released. Nostalgia really hurts on this one because we know a masterpiece like this won't be produced ever again. Dedicated Servers(!!!) + Mod Support + Commander Role + Adequate Teamplay. And this is stuff we can dream about these days... Makes me so sad! F*ck EA . Damn shame. It would only take them to remake this game with current engine and all functions = Insta Masterpiece.
It's sad that most Battlefield players have never played BF2 or 2142. They were such great games and now when people say the next BF game needs to be "like the old Battlefield" they're talking about BF3.
I loved being a lone wolf, but squadding up and conquering the map with a group of other guys was so much fun. When i did decide to be a lone wolf, i always loved planting c4 on our flag and waiting for an enemy to show up, especially a whole squad. Lol. I know, that is probably camping but it was fun to me.
I know right... like after battlelog and now the new in-game menus they still can't compare to BF2's simple and effective menu to get you straight into the action.
Everyone is always talking about BF Bad Company, but BF2 is the greatest of all time. I literally played the 3 demo maps online for like 100 hours before buying the game.
Battlefield for me was always about the right mix of arcade and authenticity (i loathe to say realism). Bad Company took it more to the arcade side - lack of going prone is a good example. I frankly didn't consider it true "battlefield", it was a spinoff. With BF3 feeling more "call of duty with vehicles" and less an arcade-"realism"-mix, i consider BF2142 (which frankly was a BF2 expansion pack) the last good battlefield game.
The only problem with BF2 was the amount of grenades everyone could carry. This was much better in the later BF2142, where 1-2 grenades for each did not turn the 64 player Strike at Karkand into a pure grenadefest.
Funny that the 2142 grenades were so powerful though - I used to poop myself when that hiss sound appeared, instant death was nigh. I like that later BFs put a longer fuse on them (BF3/4)
It had many more problems, it's a human trade to forget the bad with time. you could crash near the end of rounds and when map changed you lost all score. there were many issues with hitbox and hitreg til the end. cheaters and spawn killing in every obj, plane spawn and uncap spawn such in karaknd when teams could not get out at all. tbh my feeling was BF2 was ruining my pc slowly but surely. yet I couldn't stop playing. I had to cease all gaming in late 2006 to solve that.
After 2500 hours of BC2 with all its destruction it was hard to me to get into BF2, I played it one time and was absolutely blown away by it: The Commander ordered us to capture a flag and a squad leader ordered me exactly where to go and what to do with the UI indications on the map. That was an astounding experience of real war and chain of command. I was amazed. Sadly, with the current gaming catering to braindead retards and console mass audience we will never get something like that again on a Battlefield scale.
@@guimblon you missed the whole point. After gorgeous destruction of BC2, I can't play an FPS game without the same level of destructibility. Apex and Titanfall are exceptions because I really like that sci-fi universe.
Yeah, I felt if there was actual command and objectives to follow to establish combat lines like in a real conflict, instead of a bunch of rogues running across a huge map.
@@guimblon that might change with the new consoles. The problem seems to be current gen consoles have pretty poor CPU power in comparison to their GPU power. So all that physics and destruction required CPU cycles the consoles didn't have. Its why you tend to see destruction more in PC only titles (though still far less then you did back then sadly). I really hope we see more physics and destructible environments in this next generation. The difference in gfx quality between a 2010 title and a 2020 title isnt a whole lot, same for a 1060 vs a 2080ti. Sure the 80ti has a higher FPS (which is a huge improvement imo) but graphically its not a really jaw dropping difference. But truly destructible environments and physics *is* jaw dropping (have a look at the amazing interaction in Boneworks for example).
I've never played Battlefield, but a lot of this stuff applies to all games. You can't just loosely mash together a bunch of features and expect it to be good, or expect the players to make it good. It's not about the features, it's how they relate to each other. Any kid can think of features and any person can program it. Making a meaningfully balanced game however is a high art, and that work belongs to the game developer. If I'm being honest, most game devs nowadays have no idea what the hell they are doing. They use "sandbox" and "a lot of features" to avoid actually having to create the core game and instead sell an unfinished bag of trash with the help of polished look and trailers. Kids nowadays don't even know what good games are like, so all they can look for are satisfying gimmicks and audiovisual fidelity. I find it concerning to find a lot of people say that "Soulsborne ruined other video games for me", because they are actually fairly standard games, with the difference being that they are also well thought out / designed unlike most games nowadays.
Too true on that bit about most game devs having no idea what the hell they're doing. I do think it's at least in some part the fault of gamers ourselves. I've lost track of how many times I got shouted down for having interesting ideas with the argument "what do you know about game design?" or something similar. Gamers treated game design as some mystical, lost art that one must sequester oneself in a far away ashram to even possibly hope to gain some knowledge about. It's too much about big business and not enough about the art of making a game anymore (not like the long lost art of game design). I suspect it's why net-code is so frequently terrible these days. People keep buying entries in a franchise so they don't mind continuing to pump out games with major league net issues.
They call it streamline, this is happened to allot of triple a titles we know from the past. I think there is a link to the game industry having become so big there is allot of money involved which changed the formula for allot of triple a gamesbeing transformed to a money grab instead of a actually good balanced game. I hate it when developers say freedom of being able to play how you want is the most important thing. Its a other word for sandbox which like you said is lacking a real core dynamic that creates interesting choices that have to be made that will reward or punnish a player. Sad to say Battlefield has been extremely streamlined in the last couple of years just to apease to more casual players which has resulted in verry dull gameplay. Battlefield V actually feels like playing another version of Star Wars Battlefront 2
Holy shit is it refreshing to see a Battlefield RUclipsr not jump on the endless BF3/BF1 circlejerk bandwagon. To me, the old Refractor games have never been surpassed in quality by any Battlefield that followed them.
Finally a RUclipsr that get it that BF2 was the best Battlefield...and how Dice/EA could salvage this franchise...also go back to strickly multiplayer and scrap the single player...
@Jahtzee Eh, it depends I guess Bf5 is more divisive than outright bad afaik (although the extreme spectrum often applies to the hate of it) because DICE couldn't tell if the fans want another post-BC2 game or a pre-BC2 game
Spot on video. Thanks Chris. Some major nostalgia here. I was in my mid-teens when I played this game. There was a great, inviting community with a public servers offering jump-in, high-level, teamwork. I'll never forget being able to jump into a squad and following the orders of the squad leader to accomplish point captures, take down a tank, perform flanks, or defend points. Truly amazing. Also - love, love, love the squad format with roles/classes. Limited roles and yes, the fog, was huge in allowing engagements and tactics to be successful. You HAD to move towards objectives to be in the action and you were pushed (depending on open roles) to try new ways of playing.
You are right about the BF2 audience. Some of the best team play in gaming I ever had was in BF2. I think Starsiege:Tribes was up there as well. Dota 2, when you find that magic pub group. (or better yet a friend stack)
It seems like everyone has forgotten about bf2 2005. Better maps, more strategic and tactical gameplay. You could sneak into the enemies base and disable their artillery and radar. Maps were bigger, generally better designed and objectives more spaced out. people actually used transport vehicles to transport. Jets were actually fast like a jet should be, not as slow as a ww1 biplane. Good times.
@@nickysimi9866bad company was first consolised battlefield aimed at masses for profit. Ppl know about Bf mostly because BfBC2 or BF3 just because the huge marketing pull those games come with. I have friends like these when it comes to gaming i just ignore them they just cant see a good game. All they want to see is a nice shiny matketing product to feel hyped even though they know shit about actual game.
@@AandKify I'd argue 2142 was the first consolized battlefied. They went all in on the unlock progression cancerous bullshit and reduced the classes down to the shitty 4 class lone wolf system we have today.
I never forgot about it. Im 25. That game was the Highlight of my childhood. No other game i had more fun on then bf2. Stayed up late. And woke up early so i could play all day with my buddy. I remember joining squads and first thing i would ask everyone. “Got a mic?”
A few days ago nvidia rolled out a new driver which includes support for Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling for Windows 10. This is advertised to improve latency and performance. I really like your testing methodology and I am really interested if this update actually improves latency in gaming. Could you please take a look at it when you have some spare time? I love your content, keep up the good work!
With such things it's also important to test slightly older games that are still played. Especially when they're already past their "game-ready driver" phase and won'T see as much optimization for the game itself. Just like with the "ultra low latency" mode, where I noticed absolutely no difference between it off/on/ultra and the previous driver with pre-rendered frames=1 Or CS:GO with the -3d39ex parameter, which actually reduced performance for me.
@@Beanvee They screwed that up by making it a seperate game and having to have the servers dedicated to one or the other. It would have changed the whole complexion of the game had all the goodies in special forces been added to the main game. Having the zipline to be able to get to the tops of so many buildings that we cannot get to now. Especially on the maps that only have 1 heli per team at a time. Having the motorcycles and ski-doos added to the earlier maps would have been fun too. But the community is still chugging along. Should come back and play.
Mate, gaming has become hyper commercial. There is an ARMY of casual players out there that demand instant gratification and a "power fantasy". Meaning that games stopped rewarding skill in PvP modes or at least implemented mechanics to constantly stimulate the player and reduce the skill gap. That applies to ALL modern player vs player games. The entitlement mentality reigns.
Apologies that some of us "Casual" players prefer to have fun and not want to play against sweats that have the time to sit on their ass for 8 - 10 hours a day playing the game as if their life depends on it.
Well said. Feels like a bunch of guys in suits are making the games nowadays. As to above comment, ppl can still enjoy a game while not being the best at it. The process of getting better is very rewarding.
@@Anemonea Bullshit! Mate, you can't compare niche games like those you described. All the titles you mentioned are not even considered to be "proper" triple-A "Blockbuster" titles. The expected profits do NOT even come close to the expected revenue games like Battlefield or Destiny 2 etc generate. And NO those games do NOT cater to casual players. The communities are mostly very toxic and pressure you to improve fast or leave. You might have to adjust your perspective on the topic and smell the coffee.
@@Anemonea With CS GO it just comes down to who can be the fastest with AWP or who watches more pros and memorizes exact spots where to throw the nades to. Plus the awful restrictive lane system. Yuck. And combine the insanely OP AWP with lane system and it's a recipe for disaster.
Everything nowadays is about easy profit and it really shows in many things. Seems like people don't even know what they are really doing, they just know how to make money. If you asked Chris about his channel he could tell you pretty accurately what he's doing but if you go ask Dice what made battlefield good they wouldn't even know anymore. There is still people who know their stuff but they don't necessarily make a lot of money sadly.
Because people still pre buy stuf when all they have seen, where some flashy trailers. I learned my lesson with BF 1. That trailer with the tank and the 7 army song hooked me so hard and the game dissapointet as much as the trailler hyped me. I think most of the defelopers time these days is used to make some nice graphics and all these skins an loot box mechanics. It's all about more profit every year and this doesn't go well with creativ work.
DICE's soul is dead...they clearly don't have the same devs around from back then or they got burned. It's sad. Been around since 1942 + modern Combat mod and yeah you nailed the tone we had back then.
I'm still mad that "Bad Company" was marketed as "Battlefield - Bad Company" as if the Bad Company would have been so weak that it required "Battlefield" to carry it. I bought an XBox 360 just to play BC and even though I hate playing shooters with a controller I sank more then 500 hours into this game and played the singleplay well over 8 times. Bad Company is awesome because it has a unique identity. The gameplay was entirely different to what Battlefield 2/2142 offered and that was great as we want diversity! But EA decided for some reason that Bad Company was .... not working despite good sales? Imagine if Bad Company would coexist with Battlefield, and Battlefield 3 would have actually been the worthy Battlefield 2 successor we were promised.
@@BattleNonSense Battlefield Bad Company was amazing! I played it for hundreds of hours on my ps3! I remember those hilariously big kit bags players dropped when being killed lol. Man that game was amazing!
When battlefield was adapted for consoles it turned into a completely different experience. The games got simplified to work on controllers and adapted to be more like whatever poplar console FPS is big at the time. A game franchise like Battlefield should have only ever been made for PC to keep the depth of the gameplay intact and now with competitive PC only games bigger than ever I really don't see a downside of leaving out console ports.
@@coolbrotherf127 Money talks, that's just how it is. I have been around since bf 1942 and the games have definitely improved. Company management on the other hand has gone straight down hill.
Thank you! Finally someone who actually gives respect to the original modern battlefield - only game which did team work right in the modern battlefield series . The more recent games are too focused on gimmicks and colour grading. It is so hard to look at and half the time the camera is shaking due to explosions and "suppression" mechanics, which take away from actually being able to "play the game" a game shouldn't blur your damn screen if you're suppressed, bullets flying past your head is "suppression" enough Whatever happened to making the skill ceiling high as well? Things were straight forward to use, but took HOURS to master (jets/helicopters) etc. It made people want to continue playing.
I lost count of how many hours i put into this game. I was blown away by 1942 and Desert Combat but this was game changing. If only Dice could find its way back to this rather than the tosh that is BF1 and BF5. BF3 was still a great game but i think BF2 was Dice at its peak.
I remember when in bf2 chat you could read interesting things like a veteran instructing a noob, strategies or your team informing where the enemies are. Now, you read the chat and only read things like politics, racial insults, or people complaining about K/D or graphics.
“If you don’t like it, don’t buy it” - Dice. Yeah, that really worked out for them... Not ONE person I know purchased Battlefield V after the way Dice treated the community and after people saw how bad the game actually was.
I agree, didn't buy it myself (and I've owned every single previous BF game ever) and haven't looked back besides to mock it every time I see gameplay.
Hi, I'm from the frostbite era, started with BF3. After seing Battlefield decay so much title after title, I too think they should look at their true roots and do the game they first wanted to create with current technology and the knowledge of all this past years.
I remember going to computer lan gaming centres 15 years ago with my mates and brother playing this game in Australia. And the lan centre use to remember us and put on dominos pizza and we had a blast playing the game this game and battlefield 1942, and Vietnam good times.
You nailed it, I started playing BF2 when it first came out and it got me back into PC gaming. I was in BF2C for 7 tours and I still try to recreate that experience. I also still game with a good chunk of the people I played BF2 with.
I love how you used footage of BF3 while talking which BF game was the best, I knew u were going to say 2 though 😂🤣 BF3 netcode was garbage but the gameplay was fun as hell
Teamplay in bf2 was insane.People could get angry if u didnt have a mic !!! U didnt mention the spawn on squad leader only,which was making the leader's role even more important.I have more than 1500 hours on karkand/I remember joining the same servers every day,creating a squad which would fill up in seconds and more people would ask me to make space!Damn i was good at this game.
Thank You finally somebody says BF2 was the Best. And yes it was! So many missed out on such a great game. And I'd swear many at Dice today never player it.
Thank you for giving the old Refractor engine Battlefield community a voice. Like you, BF1942 and Battlefield 2 were a huge influence on the direction of my life and helped shape my interests. Many of the foundational skills I have in game development come from the mods that I played, and made for the Refractor engine games. The wonderful community shaped my opinions on how gaming communities should work, and are why I try to share what I can when it comes to my game development work by uploading source and project files for things people often ask me about, or things I think might be useful. It's my way of giving back to the amazing community these games used to have.
Hi Chris! I was shocked to see this video pop up on your channel, its been a long time since I have been interested in the franchise. BF2 forever! how I miss the old DICE
Chris, you and your channel have been like a sherpa for me navigating the battlefield experience. I started with BF3 because of a friend that had started on BF2. Battlefield 4 was what inspired me to start youtube, but when I had the time and PC to start making content, battlefield had lost its hold on me since hardline, BF1 and BFV did not feel like the game I came to love. I love your channel and greatly appreciate the time and effort you have put into making such informative and interesting opinions and facts. Much love to you and here's hoping BF6 provides something we can enjoy once more.
Thank you so much for making this video. BF2 is my most favorite game of all time. Not because of the graphics and other things that typically draw people in, but because i just had so much fun playing it. The community was really great, you are right about that and i remember hopping from one server to the next having a totally different experience on each one. The mods were absolutely outstanding, and i spent a lot of time playing all of the main ones like Point of Existence 2, Operation Peacekeeper, Eve of Destruction 2, Allied Intent Xtended. Project Reality was a bit too hardcore and realistic for me, but it is very impressive work. I loved the ranking and class system as well as the commander mode, which is something all other BF titles lacked. I loved being able to be on the ground few rounds then switch it up and help the rest of the team win the round using the UAV, resupply and scan feature to quickly spot enemies that would show up on the rest of the teams map. Sad to say it, but i spent all of my 20's playing this game and i don't regret it. So many good memories..
Yes, but DICE realized that you can't make money with MODS... so they smothered it to throw their shit at the kiddy and BUY, BUY. And of course switching off FF and auto-healing and all the other simplifications so that everyone can feel cool when playing.. I was 26 when I played Bf2 😂🤣
Eh, blame EA. Doubt DICE cared either way. May even have been amused by the different mods by the community. BF2 itself was born from a 1942 mod, desert combat.
I think the auto heal in bf3/4 is good. It fits the more frenetic gameplay and isn't too fast/quick. You heal when there's no action, so you get the benefit of both auto and manual heal. Also, most play the medic class and throw med packs every 5 seconds, so it's basically auto heal even if there's wasn't auto heal. FF off is a necessity when you can't tell friend of foe. Sadly we can't :(
Wie ich deine Videos zu Battlefield vermisst habe!Was ein Flash ,inhaltlich gehts um BF2,und gleichzeitig wird mir beim schauen des Videos bewusst ,dass du einer deren bist die ich vergessen hatte,aber mit der Zeit damals verbinde.Durch Zufall auf das Video gestoßen,ein hoch auf den RUclips Algorithmus!Ausnahmsweise zumindest;) Direkt ABO!
Well m8 you still can play BF2 online and ranked. There are also few servers mostly fully populated daily. Take a look at www.bf2hub.com/home/index.php
you can still play , if you have a legitimate copy you can download bf2hub launcher and play , if you don't have legitimate copy go to playbf2.com , IF you want to play the mods ,there are two major mods , Forgotten hope 2 , project reality you just download them and play no need for original bf2
Bf2's mid-paced and objective based gameplay was refined in BF2142. It's a shame that game from the franchise is overlooked when looking back at Battlefield's best moments.
I slightly cringe when I see tons of comments like "BF3 was best game in franchise", "it was golden age of BF franchise, they should remaster it". Most of current player first BF game was BF3 or BF4 and unfortunately never experienced BF2 or BF2142 era. It's also ironic to see how many fans now say, that DICE ruined BF franchise with BF5, mostly because it changed. This was exactly same thing, when old BF fans waited for BF3 - a true BF2 sequel, but instead got consolized port with many teamplay features removed and absent tacticallity. Also, I believe DICE already knows what game they want to make. It was obvious back with BFBC2 and BF3, that they want to compete with COD, making series lot more casual and run-n-gun with just vehicles and other old gimmicks.
I cringe everytime someone calls BF3 a console port. You wanted a 1:1 copy of BF2 with updated graphics and didn't get it. BF2 infantry play was much more casual than even COD. There was zero skill (twitch reflexes) involved with shooting. It was mostly strategy and tactics. Maybe u don't know the definition of casual?
Battlefield 2 was my favorite PC game ever. I played it so much! My PC was below spec and I upgraded often, just for BF2. I loved the ranking system and my bros had so many great squad moments. We used to fly the helicopter as high as it would go, and drop out of it, above the flags! Great times.
Well said. BF2 is still my favorite online game ever. 2500+ hrs in it until EA the official servers were turned off and EA killed the ability to purchase the game.
I’m so happy to finally see a video about this game. I’m... very bad at editing / making proper RUclips videos, and I have absolutely no following so I never bothered. But I’m tired of always seeing RUclipsrs that act like BF2 doesn’t exist. Not only that, but some of the big battlefield RUclipsrs openly say they’ve never played BF2. And that really triggers me.
Chris I always ALWAYS tell people about your battlefield the 1980's version you conceptualized during BF4 and personally I'd like to see it come to life cause it sounds so good
Him talking about how community makes games got me remembering the good old days with Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory where the game was so simple in its core, but modders and community made it legendary. No modern game has that.
i really enjoyed this video ,thank you. the points your mentioned are clear and i am confidant it could be implemented in the next title. The developers need to take a step back and see what can we take from all titles that made it fun but still push the boundaries. i have mentioned this in a video of mine ,and some others to come. i think bringing back that core group who get rewarded for team play and objectives,you want to build a solid base and work together which if you win or loose ,it was a well fought and played match. thanks again for this video.
I really enjoyed battlefield 2 and I felt at home playing it. After BF3, I dont see whats going on, who is killing me and there is a chaos going on. Also BF2 had no auto life regeneration so medics were a lot more important.
Tbh if the regen was partial (like in Bf5) or super slow (like in BC2), Medics would be more crucial I don't mind some regeneration for minor mistakes but heavy wounds should definitely need Meds
This video got me properly fired up, I too remember playing with younger players and everyone just got along. We had a great time doing clan wars, playing in online leagues and having afternoons of strategizing on a empty server for the upcoming wars. Long live BF2!
I completely agree with you about BF2, the battlerecorder and the level of control server admins had. Must have played 500hours in total on BF2 and it was amazing time.
Damn, that game was a huge part of my childhood. Thanks for the nostalgia trip! That era of Battlefield is still what i consider the REAL Battlefield Experience, though I still have a soft spot for Titan mode in 2142 over pretty much anything in BF2. It feels to me like the vehicular gameplay is what has suffered the most with the newer games, Turning into more of an arcade powerup rather than the devestating force multipliers that they were previously. The commander and all his toys being physically on the map was super interesting too, and assasinating him/blowing up his stuff was pretty much the entire purpose of the Spec Ops class, which they merged into the sniper role in later games once that got nixxed.
2142 and 2 are the shared peak of BF. 2142 was just refined BF2 gameplay and the addition of the Titans; which is still the only gamemode (alongside Conquest) which is quintessentially BF.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT! BF2 was awsome. Back in the day we played on the map the pearl. The bloody Pearl. Clans ran their own servers, played wars and had a lot of fun. Thanks for the reminder :-)
Battlefield 2 was indeed the best Battlefield. I wholeheartedly agree. It felt like that game was way ahead of it's time when it launched. The game Squad is like the spiritual successor to BF2 with more focus on realism. It's even better than BF2 imo.
Eh, Squad is the successor to Project Reality Mod, I reckon (early) Planetside 2 was the spiritual successor to BF2/2142. It had the same focus on teamwork and coordination while retaining large scale (larger infact) and the combined arms approach.
i still play bf2 lan via hamachi with a group of friends (we made our own mod and maps plus some maps from others. we enjoy the 5 vs 50 bots feel of it. we even keep tweaking stuff to this date). the bf2 experience is indeed unique. i could only think of bf3/bf4 being mod-able to come even close.
Still playing this game even today! 😁 modifying it for more than a decade, from shared content of many creators in the community. I'm from Philippines.
Great video. I've been a battlefield fan since Battlefield 2. it's still my favorite game of all time and I sure hope DICE/EA learn from their mistakes and bring back what we love about Battlefield.
To me BF@ was the best and most fun Battlefield game to date. It didnt matter what was going on it was fun. From sneaking to find enemy commanders and their equipment to watching the ragdolls of players fly into the air after being hit by artillery. It also didnt matter if you were winning or losing as the game could turn at the last second. Cant recall how many games I played where the winning team only had 10 or less tickets. Heck even had a number of games that were won with 1 ticket remaining, Those close games were the best because everyone fought to win and worked together to do so.
I wish I had gave it more of a chance. I just remember the feeling of being lost when I played it but it was my first BF title. You made some great points as usual, I 100% agree on the dust cloud visuals in BF2. For me 2142, BC2 and BF3 are my favourite games of all time, I'm sure BF2 would be there if I gave it more of a chance. BF died for me when BF4 was released.
The thing that gets me the most is that these games are supposed to evolve forward and EA were supposed to LEARN from the games they made but they have just been going backwards since bf2. On another side note 2142 was super epic too even if it was a reskin with some extra stuff. Helicarrier boardings were dope.
@@surject The purple heart was awarded when you scored a 1:4 K/D ratio with at least 20 deaths in a round. That just means you played decently for 4 years and then had a really bad day. I got the purple heart in like 2 months lol
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I'm well aware of that :) It was a joke ;) I was pretty proud not to have it in all those years compared to my clan buddies ...and then it happened! A sad sad day that was.
It was such a good game. Although it had no real sequel, because of Squad's origins in BF2:Project Reality, it feels closer to a sequel than anything EA have produced.
I'm confused, it said "Best Battlefield" but 2142 wasn't mentioned anywhere. Ah well, vid still gets a Like. Pre-Frostbite BF was so much better, but that DICE doesn't exist anymore.
Battlefield 2 is also my favourite. I played with Begrip and xGx for several years. In my opinion one of the main aspects that made Battlefield 2 so good was the maps, and how they were beautifully designed to work in 16, 32 and 64 player modes.. For clan matches the 16 player versions was perfect, and gave a small tension battleground to play on, while for Big Wars and public Mayhem the 64 player maps with planes and many flags played very well. Also speed and functionality was in focus. Simply just looking at the camo-rose that came with BF2 vs today shows the whole story really.. The BF2 camo-rose would instantly pop up on the screen as soon as you pressed the button, and you could right away move the mouse in the direction you wanted to toggle the right option - this meant you learned where each option was and within a splitsecond gave the right commands. Today (and every single BF ever since) there is a focus on the graphics of the UI, so the commo-rose animates into play, and in addition you have to move the mouse and hit each of the options - all of this takes more time and more precision with the chance you could miss an option.. this is a huge step back from something that was perfect in BF2, and I feel the same step backwards has happened all over the gameplay.. Tanks in BF2 vs tanks in BF1 and BFV.. wow, the tanks in BF2 are just so much better balanced.. running out of shells and having to drive back to main to restock... just does not add any fun or usefull function to the game.. And while I think BF1 actually had some decent maps, and I think the graphics and physics are awesome, it still don't play near as good as BF2 did - and I think among the reasons is the map designs.. go back to more focused map design for conquest - and make them 16, 32, 64 which worked really well.. and in BFV where there are versions of maps made to fit into a singleplayer campaign, like the ruined city and non-ruined versions... it just is a mess to play.. the cinematic narrative should really not affect level design - as it has proven to make some really bad maps imo.. I agree with Bns that it's the focus that needs to get back.. a focus around the gamemode in which the maps shall be played, and then focusing on how to make the maps play well for that - and design ui elements (like camo-rose) to be as fast and snappy as possible.. and just look back at how things were back in the day when it was at it's best - I believe all of these things can go hand n hand with amazing physics, destruction and graphics which the frostbite engine provide.
Thank you Chris. Finally someone that goes as far back as bf2 as the template for bf games. I adored bfbc2 bf3 but in terms of the topics you mentioned they're way off the mark.
I miss the Dalian Power plant map. At the time not so much as it was first in the rotation on the UK1 server and that server crashed a lot meaning back to Dalian again! Special mention for the Spec Ops add-on, which was pretty much a stand alone game.
The players these days dont know even anymore the basics of battlefield, like to throw a healpack to a low hp teammate or something. I played the bf francise around 6k hours and i think the francise need to die. Dice Stockholm should stop design videogames at all, maybe the studio have other talents.
frankly, i couldn't care less if battlefield as it is now would die. It's a dumpster fire already. And i've been enjoying BF since 1942. It has gotten the same treatment as all the other games - muddied core mechanics for the sake of attracting a bigger cloud. hell, even cod and rb6 used to be good.
@@kamikatze13 Battlefield is now a large scale CoD with no depth and rainbow six is a fucking hero shooter where you look though a hole with a 4x scope in a cqc enviroment. I miss the old days.
You start of by showing BF3...proceeds to talk about the battlefield you consider the best ever made. I thought for a second it was BF3 as that was the gameplay at the start of the video. I was like, nonononono. Then you said Battlefield 2 and i was like YEAH!!!! Right in the feels man. Was 16 at the time it came out. Most likely the game i have the most time played on...since ever. Tho it does make me sad that you would think people would click out of the video because of it. I personally was about to click out of it because i thought it would be BF3, but stayed and watched everything when you said it was BF2 xD Keep up the great work
The right environment, the right time with the right people. BF2 literally forged life long friendships for me that I will forever be grateful for. This video made me re-visit a time-capsule that I will always cherish. Thanks Chris! Really appreciate this video.
I'm the exact same, in my twenties now and I wish I could play back in them days again. The whole environment, every aspect of BF2/2142 and their communities were brilliant, glad I could experience it at least.
Yeah, I remember the glory days of Clan-gaming. From BF1942 to BF 2142. Some of my best gaming moments are from those years. Playing Clan Wars, competing in leagues. We even had a guy who made de-brief logs of our Clan wars, writing about good things players did. Always lifted every player in some way. God those were the days.
The best muliplayer fps and Battlefield game ever made. Me and my classmate were two 15 year olds from Sweden joining a international clan and went to the UK playing in competitions together... the clan had people between 14 and 60 years old. The best time Ive ever had online was in this game.
Just making a note here. You said B2 didnt blow away players with amazing graphics or sound design. Wrong on both accounts. It absolutely did. It was one of the most striking and forward thinking engines on the market. The game was absolutely top tier in the graphical department and you needed a top of the line computer to max it. It was a lavish production on all fronts.
BF2 is from an era that will probably never be repeated. The right people, the right time, the right environment. I miss it. Thanks for the video, reminded me of how things used to be.
The game Squad brought it back and made it even better actually. Squad officially releases later this year.
@@awesome9174 It's a bit heavier on the Sim aspect than BF2 was. Still a good time for sure, though.
@@skootz24 Isn't that because it was spawned off Project Reality rather than just BF2
@@BrKnOblivion Yes, I think it came from Project Reality. It's very fun with the right teammates.
@@josephwilson3180 Indeed, I raced in iRacing with one of the Squad programmers. It's a good game, but with random's it can be hell. Though admittedly I preferred BF4 over the previous iterations, I think everything post 4 has been a trash fire.
To counter one point Chris made, I think the map design needs updating to provide better cover as the view distance change makes more sense. The old fog of war was a view distance problem, not really a game play element, though it obviously had a huge effect on gameplay.
The downfall of modding is one of the worst things to ever happen to gaming.
Downfall?
@@sebastianmuenzberg4197 Probably means the inability for modders to do it, because most game devs/publishers try to prevent it
Imagine if instead of the current project reality, we'd have Battlefield 4: project reality.
Granted, it'd propably have a fraction of the content of pr, but it would still be extremely cool.
because game development stopped being run by gamers and is now dictated by suits who only see money
"what? players creating their own content? that means they aint paying us to do it! get rid of that non sense asap"
@ThisFogThatNeverEnds squad is only good for griefing
This really struck home. I was 16 when I played BF2 and it was the perfect direction for the franchise after 1942 and Vietnam.
So true, even piloting the helicopters in vietnam and bf2 was consistent.
I sunk so much time into BF2 one summer. I had such a good time. Wake Island was my absolute favorite map, 2nd was Karkand. My mom was so mad that I was playing all the time...
i was like 10 :0
I was 10 when I started playing bf2. Best one for me for sure.
@@danielkoontz6732 haha I can definitely relate to that, I spent a few hundred hours in that game, and never did I try to get the most kills, it was all about teamwork even as a teenager. It's really disappointing to see a series I loved so much be ruined.
Ooh that “welcome to duty” sent chills down my spine in a way I haven’t felt in years... I do defend the newer battlefields I’ve played (3 and 4), but aside from the sounds and animations even I think bf2 is the best.
Things went way downhill after 3 and 4 as well.
Right? The faction specific themes were awesome too.
yup.. imagine a bf4 gfx & animation with the gameplay of bf2!
If asked to choose bf3 or 4 to buy today, which one is better?
BearWithMe 4 mainly due to hit detection and weapon variety. I also like how the class system allows you to essentially recreate the classes from BF2 just simplified. Though that part is not without its drawbacks, such as the possibility for someone to choose grenade launcher plus medpack and no shock paddles making a mostly selfish kit.
I can't imagine EA authorising DICE to build a game like BF2 again, shareholders demand as much growth as possible and subsequently, Battlefield will only ever be aimed at a broad player base from now on. I only hope they make whatever is next an actually good game, with cohesive elements instead of smashing stuff at a wall, seeing what sticks, and then ignoring what sticks in favour of more smashing.
Well you only have to look at all the niche attempts at BF2 clones to see why no one would touch it with a ten foot pole.
No AAA game would waste its time on such a niche audience.
@@FloorFerret I don't think it's a niche audience. BF2 never had a true successor in 15 years. We can only imagine if DICE had a passion project continuing directly where BF2 left off.
Next BF gonna be Crossplay
Squad is something to try, a lot less milsim than people think
TBH I would be happy if we get a new BF like BF 3, BF 2 seems fun but also from another time. DICE and EA want to make AAA titels, and they need a big audience to justify the big investment.
Finally, a education on all the people who missed out on Battlefield 2. Those same people who made Battlefield and Desert Combat are no longer at DICE, just a new company wearing DICE's name.
Bf2 and 2142 were the golden days
Desert Combat eXtended was the shit back in the day and for good reason. Glad it made BF2 possible and also puts in perspective how much has changed since BF1942
Noken is still with them, not a dev though.
@@surject shit I almost forgot Noken, his frost series was so fucking good!
Indeed, very few are still there. With David Sirland another dev who worked on BF2 recently left DICE.
BF2 is without any doubt the best Battlefield ever released. Nostalgia really hurts on this one because we know a masterpiece like this won't be produced ever again. Dedicated Servers(!!!) + Mod Support + Commander Role + Adequate Teamplay. And this is stuff we can dream about these days... Makes me so sad! F*ck EA . Damn shame.
It would only take them to remake this game with current engine and all functions = Insta Masterpiece.
It's sad that most Battlefield players have never played BF2 or 2142. They were such great games and now when people say the next BF game needs to be "like the old Battlefield" they're talking about BF3.
Look into bf2 hub. The game is still kicking. Dedicated servers are up and running!!
@@lamsmiley1944 I began the series with bf3 and loved it but this video makes me think that I would have loved bf2 even more.
I loved being a lone wolf, but squadding up and conquering the map with a group of other guys was so much fun.
When i did decide to be a lone wolf, i always loved planting c4 on our flag and waiting for an enemy to show up, especially a whole squad. Lol. I know, that is probably camping but it was fun to me.
If you think there isn't teamwork anymore you should blame the players not the games. All recent BF games have teamwork heavy mechanics.
Battlefield 2 also has the best menu theme of the entire series.
I know right... like after battlelog and now the new in-game menus they still can't compare to BF2's simple and effective menu to get you straight into the action.
@nuke BF:Vietnam - 1942 Expansion would like a word =P
@@kamikatze13 Tosteikiga!!
best BF music theme was still 1942. Classic and intense.
...And in BF2 the theme song was not edited beyond recognition.
Battlefield 2 is my childhood. Along with Project Reality Mod, the game will never die for me!
still playing
moha glade - how are you still playing? Private servers?
@@indiana_bones5583 Project reality is a standalone mod. Try it. Game is still receiving major updates
Everyone is always talking about BF Bad Company, but BF2 is the greatest of all time. I literally played the 3 demo maps online for like 100 hours before buying the game.
In Bad company you can't prone says alot about the game 😂🤣
Bf2 demo was the shit i play it so much when i was a kid on those single map, i probably has more hour there then actual bf2 lol
BF 2 is king of PC and Bad Company king of console
Battlefield for me was always about the right mix of arcade and authenticity (i loathe to say realism). Bad Company took it more to the arcade side - lack of going prone is a good example. I frankly didn't consider it true "battlefield", it was a spinoff.
With BF3 feeling more "call of duty with vehicles" and less an arcade-"realism"-mix, i consider BF2142 (which frankly was a BF2 expansion pack) the last good battlefield game.
The wepon spread was silly. No rcoil..
The only problem with BF2 was the amount of grenades everyone could carry. This was much better in the later BF2142, where 1-2 grenades for each did not turn the 64 player Strike at Karkand into a pure grenadefest.
But boy was it fun, at the start everyone chucking grenades, you got most of your kills at the start. :P
Funny that the 2142 grenades were so powerful though - I used to poop myself when that hiss sound appeared, instant death was nigh. I like that later BFs put a longer fuse on them (BF3/4)
It had many more problems, it's a human trade to forget the bad with time. you could crash near the end of rounds and when map changed you lost all score. there were many issues with hitbox and hitreg til the end. cheaters and spawn killing in every obj, plane spawn and uncap spawn such in karaknd when teams could not get out at all.
tbh my feeling was BF2 was ruining my pc slowly but surely. yet I couldn't stop playing. I had to cease all gaming in late 2006 to solve that.
@@oriamir8994 Don't forget the dolphin dives!
Bf2 ads lag was nasty
After 2500 hours of BC2 with all its destruction it was hard to me to get into BF2, I played it one time and was absolutely blown away by it: The Commander ordered us to capture a flag and a squad leader ordered me exactly where to go and what to do with the UI indications on the map. That was an astounding experience of real war and chain of command. I was amazed. Sadly, with the current gaming catering to braindead retards and console mass audience we will never get something like that again on a Battlefield scale.
Check Hell Let Loose or Squad, they are the heirs of BF2.
@@guimblon you missed the whole point. After gorgeous destruction of BC2, I can't play an FPS game without the same level of destructibility. Apex and Titanfall are exceptions because I really like that sci-fi universe.
@@Tequila628 Oh I understood you wanted some tactical shooter at BF2 level. Pretty much there isn't FPS with destruction nowadays
Yeah, I felt if there was actual command and objectives to follow to establish combat lines like in a real conflict, instead of a bunch of rogues running across a huge map.
@@guimblon that might change with the new consoles. The problem seems to be current gen consoles have pretty poor CPU power in comparison to their GPU power. So all that physics and destruction required CPU cycles the consoles didn't have. Its why you tend to see destruction more in PC only titles (though still far less then you did back then sadly).
I really hope we see more physics and destructible environments in this next generation. The difference in gfx quality between a 2010 title and a 2020 title isnt a whole lot, same for a 1060 vs a 2080ti. Sure the 80ti has a higher FPS (which is a huge improvement imo) but graphically its not a really jaw dropping difference. But truly destructible environments and physics *is* jaw dropping (have a look at the amazing interaction in Boneworks for example).
I've never played Battlefield, but a lot of this stuff applies to all games. You can't just loosely mash together a bunch of features and expect it to be good, or expect the players to make it good. It's not about the features, it's how they relate to each other. Any kid can think of features and any person can program it. Making a meaningfully balanced game however is a high art, and that work belongs to the game developer.
If I'm being honest, most game devs nowadays have no idea what the hell they are doing. They use "sandbox" and "a lot of features" to avoid actually having to create the core game and instead sell an unfinished bag of trash with the help of polished look and trailers. Kids nowadays don't even know what good games are like, so all they can look for are satisfying gimmicks and audiovisual fidelity. I find it concerning to find a lot of people say that "Soulsborne ruined other video games for me", because they are actually fairly standard games, with the difference being that they are also well thought out / designed unlike most games nowadays.
Too true on that bit about most game devs having no idea what the hell they're doing. I do think it's at least in some part the fault of gamers ourselves. I've lost track of how many times I got shouted down for having interesting ideas with the argument "what do you know about game design?" or something similar. Gamers treated game design as some mystical, lost art that one must sequester oneself in a far away ashram to even possibly hope to gain some knowledge about.
It's too much about big business and not enough about the art of making a game anymore (not like the long lost art of game design). I suspect it's why net-code is so frequently terrible these days. People keep buying entries in a franchise so they don't mind continuing to pump out games with major league net issues.
They call it streamline, this is happened to allot of triple a titles we know from the past. I think there is a link to the game industry having become so big there is allot of money involved which changed the formula for allot of triple a gamesbeing transformed to a money grab instead of a actually good balanced game. I hate it when developers say freedom of being able to play how you want is the most important thing. Its a other word for sandbox which like you said is lacking a real core dynamic that creates interesting choices that have to be made that will reward or punnish a player. Sad to say Battlefield has been extremely streamlined in the last couple of years just to apease to more casual players which has resulted in verry dull gameplay. Battlefield V actually feels like playing another version of Star Wars Battlefront 2
Holy shit is it refreshing to see a Battlefield RUclipsr not jump on the endless BF3/BF1 circlejerk bandwagon. To me, the old Refractor games have never been surpassed in quality by any Battlefield that followed them.
People actually compare BF1 to the good battlefield games? I can understand BF3 but BF1? wtf lol
@@synysterwolf1289 BF1 is good but can't be compared to 1942/BF2 lol
Finally a RUclipsr that get it that BF2 was the best Battlefield...and how Dice/EA could salvage this franchise...also go back to strickly multiplayer and scrap the single player...
well, bring back bot single player, lets you explore maps and practice mechanics without ticking off other players
@Jahtzee Eh, it depends I guess
Bf5 is more divisive than outright bad afaik (although the extreme spectrum often applies to the hate of it) because DICE couldn't tell if the fans want another post-BC2 game or a pre-BC2 game
Spot on video. Thanks Chris. Some major nostalgia here. I was in my mid-teens when I played this game. There was a great, inviting community with a public servers offering jump-in, high-level, teamwork. I'll never forget being able to jump into a squad and following the orders of the squad leader to accomplish point captures, take down a tank, perform flanks, or defend points. Truly amazing. Also - love, love, love the squad format with roles/classes. Limited roles and yes, the fog, was huge in allowing engagements and tactics to be successful. You HAD to move towards objectives to be in the action and you were pushed (depending on open roles) to try new ways of playing.
You are right about the BF2 audience. Some of the best team play in gaming I ever had was in BF2. I think Starsiege:Tribes was up there as well. Dota 2, when you find that magic pub group. (or better yet a friend stack)
It seems like everyone has forgotten about bf2 2005. Better maps, more strategic and tactical gameplay. You could sneak into the enemies base and disable their artillery and radar. Maps were bigger, generally better designed and objectives more spaced out. people actually used transport vehicles to transport. Jets were actually fast like a jet should be, not as slow as a ww1 biplane.
Good times.
Karkand showed their favouring to consoles when they butchered the back end of the MEC side.
Also when you mention battlefield 2 to most people and start talking about it to them, and they start talking about bfbc2 it gets annoying
@@nickysimi9866bad company was first consolised battlefield aimed at masses for profit. Ppl know about Bf mostly because BfBC2 or BF3 just because the huge marketing pull those games come with. I have friends like these when it comes to gaming i just ignore them they just cant see a good game. All they want to see is a nice shiny matketing product to feel hyped even though they know shit about actual game.
@@AandKify I'd argue 2142 was the first consolized battlefied. They went all in on the unlock progression cancerous bullshit and reduced the classes down to the shitty 4 class lone wolf system we have today.
I never forgot about it. Im 25. That game was the Highlight of my childhood. No other game i had more fun on then bf2. Stayed up late. And woke up early so i could play all day with my buddy. I remember joining squads and first thing i would ask everyone. “Got a mic?”
A few days ago nvidia rolled out a new driver which includes support for Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling for Windows 10. This is advertised to improve latency and performance. I really like your testing methodology and I am really interested if this update actually improves latency in gaming. Could you please take a look at it when you have some spare time?
I love your content, keep up the good work!
I think it's too early to properly evaluate performance, people have had a lot of issues
With such things it's also important to test slightly older games that are still played. Especially when they're already past their "game-ready driver" phase and won'T see as much optimization for the game itself.
Just like with the "ultra low latency" mode, where I noticed absolutely no difference between it off/on/ultra and the previous driver with pre-rendered frames=1
Or CS:GO with the -3d39ex parameter, which actually reduced performance for me.
From what i have seen it doesn't improve on the max fps much but greatly improves the 1% lows
I greatly miss wars on Iron gator, Warlord, and Strike at Karkand.
@@Beanvee now you get a shiny new gun skin or 2 new maps that are basically rinse and repeat of the old maps :|
@@Beanvee They screwed that up by making it a seperate game and having to have the servers dedicated to one or the other. It would have changed the whole complexion of the game had all the goodies in special forces been added to the main game. Having the zipline to be able to get to the tops of so many buildings that we cannot get to now. Especially on the maps that only have 1 heli per team at a time. Having the motorcycles and ski-doos added to the earlier maps would have been fun too. But the community is still chugging along. Should come back and play.
@DaemonPix if you miss Warlord and Iron Gator, why don't you play Special Forces with us once more? Google _Lost-Soldiers BF2 Community_ :)
Mate, gaming has become hyper commercial. There is an ARMY of casual players out there that demand instant gratification and a "power fantasy". Meaning that games stopped rewarding skill in PvP modes or at least implemented mechanics to constantly stimulate the player and reduce the skill gap. That applies to ALL modern player vs player games. The entitlement mentality reigns.
Apologies that some of us "Casual" players prefer to have fun and not want to play against sweats that have the time to sit on their ass for 8 - 10 hours a day playing the game as if their life depends on it.
Well said. Feels like a bunch of guys in suits are making the games nowadays. As to above comment, ppl can still enjoy a game while not being the best at it. The process of getting better is very rewarding.
@@Anemonea Bullshit! Mate, you can't compare niche games like those you described. All the titles you mentioned are not even considered to be "proper" triple-A "Blockbuster" titles. The expected profits do NOT even come close to the expected revenue games like Battlefield or Destiny 2 etc generate. And NO those games do NOT cater to casual players. The communities are mostly very toxic and pressure you to improve fast or leave. You might have to adjust your perspective on the topic and smell the coffee.
@@Anemonea With CS GO it just comes down to who can be the fastest with AWP or who watches more pros and memorizes exact spots where to throw the nades to. Plus the awful restrictive lane system. Yuck. And combine the insanely OP AWP with lane system and it's a recipe for disaster.
@@miha1999grobar this.
Is it me or "disappointment" has become almost a certainty everyday with almost everything...?
Luckily this channel is an exception
Everything nowadays is about easy profit and it really shows in many things. Seems like people don't even know what they are really doing, they just know how to make money. If you asked Chris about his channel he could tell you pretty accurately what he's doing but if you go ask Dice what made battlefield good they wouldn't even know anymore. There is still people who know their stuff but they don't necessarily make a lot of money sadly.
Our culture is in a glut. Note the 'leaders' in entertainment responsible for that. Hopefully it recovers soon.
Because people still pre buy stuf when all they have seen, where some flashy trailers. I learned my lesson with BF 1. That trailer with the tank and the 7 army song hooked me so hard and the game dissapointet as much as the trailler hyped me. I think most of the defelopers time these days is used to make some nice graphics and all these skins an loot box mechanics. It's all about more profit every year and this doesn't go well with creativ work.
Cultural Marxism touches...and then ruins everything.
It goes to show that when you design a game to please everyone you only ensure you'll disappoint them all.
Optimizing Shaders
YES
i smirked at the memory
67%?
@@danielfried2431 62
ROFL, yeah I don't miss that.
DICE's soul is dead...they clearly don't have the same devs around from back then or they got burned. It's sad.
Been around since 1942 + modern Combat mod and yeah you nailed the tone we had back then.
Battlefield 2 was the best Battlefield of all time, anyone who says it was Bad Company 2 never played BF2 and or 2142.
Very true
Played all still like bc2 the most. But apparently iam getting tortured for having this opinion in this comment section :)
@@olekXDDDD well it was pure console pandering and was just a call or duty competitor. Lame
I'm still mad that "Bad Company" was marketed as "Battlefield - Bad Company" as if the Bad Company would have been so weak that it required "Battlefield" to carry it.
I bought an XBox 360 just to play BC and even though I hate playing shooters with a controller I sank more then 500 hours into this game and played the singleplay well over 8 times.
Bad Company is awesome because it has a unique identity. The gameplay was entirely different to what Battlefield 2/2142 offered and that was great as we want diversity!
But EA decided for some reason that Bad Company was .... not working despite good sales?
Imagine if Bad Company would coexist with Battlefield, and Battlefield 3 would have actually been the worthy Battlefield 2 successor we were promised.
@@BattleNonSense Battlefield Bad Company was amazing! I played it for hundreds of hours on my ps3! I remember those hilariously big kit bags players dropped when being killed lol. Man that game was amazing!
When battlefield was adapted for consoles it turned into a completely different experience. The games got simplified to work on controllers and adapted to be more like whatever poplar console FPS is big at the time. A game franchise like Battlefield should have only ever been made for PC to keep the depth of the gameplay intact and now with competitive PC only games bigger than ever I really don't see a downside of leaving out console ports.
How about no
Haha it's clear that you're not a businessman.
@@krocketonboost5236 I would rather them make good games than make a bunch of money.
@@dcodee2 how about you guys get a direct port from PC, but you have to use M&K. Controllers fucking ruin fps games
@@coolbrotherf127 Money talks, that's just how it is. I have been around since bf 1942 and the games have definitely improved. Company management on the other hand has gone straight down hill.
Thank you! Finally someone who actually gives respect to the original modern battlefield - only game which did team work right in the modern battlefield series . The more recent games are too focused on gimmicks and colour grading. It is so hard to look at and half the time the camera is shaking due to explosions and "suppression" mechanics, which take away from actually being able to "play the game" a game shouldn't blur your damn screen if you're suppressed, bullets flying past your head is "suppression" enough
Whatever happened to making the skill ceiling high as well? Things were straight forward to use, but took HOURS to master (jets/helicopters) etc. It made people want to continue playing.
They try to make it look like a movie, instead all we want is a fun GAME.
I lost count of how many hours i put into this game. I was blown away by 1942 and Desert Combat but this was game changing. If only Dice could find its way back to this rather than the tosh that is BF1 and BF5. BF3 was still a great game but i think BF2 was Dice at its peak.
I remember when in bf2 chat you could read interesting things like a veteran instructing a noob, strategies or your team informing where the enemies are. Now, you read the chat and only read things like politics, racial insults, or people complaining about K/D or graphics.
Can't believe it has been 15 years already!
BF2 was my first shooter game, I loved it back then, this bring back memories!
I was blessed to play the franchise since the beginning, It's a shame to see the downfall it's gone through since BF3 and 4.
I started with bc2 and loved it, then loved bf3, after that they've all gone downhill for me
@@LawnFlamingoPoop Sadly you missed what were probably the best games in the franchise. Although I'll admit that BC2 was an awesome game.
BF4 was amazing, though that’s my entry to the franchise.
@@lamsmiley1944 BF4, I feel, tried to bring back some of the magic from the Refractor age but didn't go all the way for some inexplicable reason
@@brianalbert5168 damn you missed the good battlefields. Bf4 is okay but doesn't compare
“If you don’t like it, don’t buy it” - Dice. Yeah, that really worked out for them... Not ONE person I know purchased Battlefield V after the way Dice treated the community and after people saw how bad the game actually was.
Wasn't it EA that said that, not DICE?
I agree, didn't buy it myself (and I've owned every single previous BF game ever) and haven't looked back besides to mock it every time I see gameplay.
BF2 was the best and it had mod support. Man the were some awesome mods
Hi, I'm from the frostbite era, started with BF3. After seing Battlefield decay so much title after title, I too think they should look at their true roots and do the game they first wanted to create with current technology and the knowledge of all this past years.
Same bro I started with BF3.
Same bro started with bf3. Bought bf2 in 2014 and still playin it, with mods the singleplayer is very epic
I remember going to computer lan gaming centres 15 years ago with my mates and brother playing this game in Australia. And the lan centre use to remember us and put on dominos pizza and we had a blast playing the game this game and battlefield 1942, and Vietnam good times.
You nailed it, I started playing BF2 when it first came out and it got me back into PC gaming. I was in BF2C for 7 tours and I still try to recreate that experience. I also still game with a good chunk of the people I played BF2 with.
I love how you used footage of BF3 while talking which BF game was the best, I knew u were going to say 2 though 😂🤣
BF3 netcode was garbage but the gameplay was fun as hell
Teamplay in bf2 was insane.People could get angry if u didnt have a mic !!!
U didnt mention the spawn on squad leader only,which was making the leader's role even more important.I have more than 1500 hours on karkand/I remember joining the same servers every day,creating a squad which would fill up in seconds and more people would ask me to make space!Damn i was good at this game.
Thank You finally somebody says BF2 was the Best. And yes it was! So many missed out on such a great game. And I'd swear many at Dice today never player it.
Thank you for giving the old Refractor engine Battlefield community a voice. Like you, BF1942 and Battlefield 2 were a huge influence on the direction of my life and helped shape my interests. Many of the foundational skills I have in game development come from the mods that I played, and made for the Refractor engine games. The wonderful community shaped my opinions on how gaming communities should work, and are why I try to share what I can when it comes to my game development work by uploading source and project files for things people often ask me about, or things I think might be useful. It's my way of giving back to the amazing community these games used to have.
Everyone think they are a gangster till you play early BF2 and experienced the bunny hopping grenade launcher era.
or dolphin diving, for that matter
Or parachute with 9 or what it was
Dolphin diving with DAO-12 was much more cancerous imo
Or the Strike at Karkand "No Man's Land"
ENEMY WHEELBARROW SPOTTED!
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Hi Chris! I was shocked to see this video pop up on your channel, its been a long time since I have been interested in the franchise. BF2 forever! how I miss the old DICE
Dude the memories!!!!
Chris, you and your channel have been like a sherpa for me navigating the battlefield experience. I started with BF3 because of a friend that had started on BF2. Battlefield 4 was what inspired me to start youtube, but when I had the time and PC to start making content, battlefield had lost its hold on me since hardline, BF1 and BFV did not feel like the game I came to love. I love your channel and greatly appreciate the time and effort you have put into making such informative and interesting opinions and facts. Much love to you and here's hoping BF6 provides something we can enjoy once more.
Thank you battlefield for inspiring this channel.
but sadly BF series never inspired by this channel. honestly look at DICE in these days remind me how Westwood met their end. in the hand of EA.
Thank you so much for making this video. BF2 is my most favorite game of all time. Not because of the graphics and other things that typically draw people in, but because i just had so much fun playing it. The community was really great, you are right about that and i remember hopping from one server to the next having a totally different experience on each one. The mods were absolutely outstanding, and i spent a lot of time playing all of the main ones like Point of Existence 2, Operation Peacekeeper, Eve of Destruction 2, Allied Intent Xtended. Project Reality was a bit too hardcore and realistic for me, but it is very impressive work.
I loved the ranking and class system as well as the commander mode, which is something all other BF titles lacked. I loved being able to be on the ground few rounds then switch it up and help the rest of the team win the round using the UAV, resupply and scan feature to quickly spot enemies that would show up on the rest of the teams map.
Sad to say it, but i spent all of my 20's playing this game and i don't regret it. So many good memories..
Yes, but DICE realized that you can't make money with MODS... so they smothered it to throw their shit at the kiddy and BUY, BUY. And of course switching off FF and auto-healing and all the other simplifications so that everyone can feel cool when playing.. I was 26 when I played Bf2 😂🤣
Eh, blame EA. Doubt DICE cared either way. May even have been amused by the different mods by the community. BF2 itself was born from a 1942 mod, desert combat.
I think the auto heal in bf3/4 is good. It fits the more frenetic gameplay and isn't too fast/quick. You heal when there's no action, so you get the benefit of both auto and manual heal.
Also, most play the medic class and throw med packs every 5 seconds, so it's basically auto heal even if there's wasn't auto heal.
FF off is a necessity when you can't tell friend of foe. Sadly we can't :(
We all remember the nade spam on grand bazar. Both teams on opposite sides of a doorway and ammo packs that refill your explosives....
Wie ich deine Videos zu Battlefield vermisst habe!Was ein Flash ,inhaltlich gehts um BF2,und gleichzeitig wird mir beim schauen des Videos bewusst ,dass du einer deren bist die ich vergessen hatte,aber mit der Zeit damals verbinde.Durch Zufall auf das Video gestoßen,ein hoch auf den RUclips Algorithmus!Ausnahmsweise zumindest;) Direkt ABO!
wish there was a way to still play these old battlefield games online :( specifically BF 2142 in my case
RIP titan mode ;(
Well m8 you still can play BF2 online and ranked. There are also few servers mostly fully populated daily.
Take a look at www.bf2hub.com/home/index.php
you can still play , if you have a legitimate copy you can download bf2hub launcher and play , if you don't have legitimate copy go to playbf2.com , IF you want to play the mods ,there are two major mods , Forgotten hope 2 , project reality you just download them and play no need for original bf2
Yea. Miss the game so much. Good old times.
There is, all oldies are still community-maintained :)
Bf2's mid-paced and objective based gameplay was refined in BF2142. It's a shame that game from the franchise is overlooked when looking back at Battlefield's best moments.
I slightly cringe when I see tons of comments like "BF3 was best game in franchise", "it was golden age of BF franchise, they should remaster it". Most of current player first BF game was BF3 or BF4 and unfortunately never experienced BF2 or BF2142 era. It's also ironic to see how many fans now say, that DICE ruined BF franchise with BF5, mostly because it changed. This was exactly same thing, when old BF fans waited for BF3 - a true BF2 sequel, but instead got consolized port with many teamplay features removed and absent tacticallity.
Also, I believe DICE already knows what game they want to make. It was obvious back with BFBC2 and BF3, that they want to compete with COD, making series lot more casual and run-n-gun with just vehicles and other old gimmicks.
I agree.
My last one was BF3, such a disappointment
I cringe everytime someone calls BF3 a console port. You wanted a 1:1 copy of BF2 with updated graphics and didn't get it. BF2 infantry play was much more casual than even COD. There was zero skill (twitch reflexes) involved with shooting. It was mostly strategy and tactics. Maybe u don't know the definition of casual?
Battlefield 2 was my favorite PC game ever. I played it so much! My PC was below spec and I upgraded often, just for BF2. I loved the ranking system and my bros had so many great squad moments. We used to fly the helicopter as high as it would go, and drop out of it, above the flags! Great times.
Days and nights with no food no sleep ... great and classic and with out a doubt the best FPS game ever!
BF2: Fox7seven
GOOD to see you back. I was missing your content.
Well said. BF2 is still my favorite online game ever. 2500+ hrs in it until EA the official servers were turned off and EA killed the ability to purchase the game.
I’m so happy to finally see a video about this game. I’m... very bad at editing / making proper RUclips videos, and I have absolutely no following so I never bothered. But I’m tired of always seeing RUclipsrs that act like BF2 doesn’t exist. Not only that, but some of the big battlefield RUclipsrs openly say they’ve never played BF2. And that really triggers me.
Everybody remeniscing about BF2, the game is still ACTIVE!
BF2 Hub ftw
Chris I always ALWAYS tell people about your battlefield the 1980's version you conceptualized during BF4 and personally I'd like to see it come to life cause it sounds so good
Him talking about how community makes games got me remembering the good old days with Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory where the game was so simple in its core, but modders and community made it legendary. No modern game has that.
i really enjoyed this video ,thank you. the points your mentioned are clear and i am confidant it could be implemented in the next title. The developers need to take a step back and see what can we take from all titles that made it fun but still push the boundaries. i have mentioned this in a video of mine ,and some others to come. i think bringing back that core group who get rewarded for team play and objectives,you want to build a solid base and work together which if you win or loose ,it was a well fought and played match. thanks again for this video.
I really enjoyed battlefield 2 and I felt at home playing it. After BF3, I dont see whats going on, who is killing me and there is a chaos going on. Also BF2 had no auto life regeneration so medics were a lot more important.
A high refresh rate monitor and reduced HUD helps you see what's happening a lot better.
Tbh if the regen was partial (like in Bf5) or super slow (like in BC2), Medics would be more crucial
I don't mind some regeneration for minor mistakes but heavy wounds should definitely need Meds
This video got me properly fired up, I too remember playing with younger players and everyone just got along. We had a great time doing clan wars, playing in online leagues and having afternoons of strategizing on a empty server for the upcoming wars. Long live BF2!
Ahhh when BF was great, good times. Miss those times.
Sad to see that all went down the drain...
I completely agree with you about BF2, the battlerecorder and the level of control server admins had. Must have played 500hours in total on BF2 and it was amazing time.
Damn, that game was a huge part of my childhood. Thanks for the nostalgia trip! That era of Battlefield is still what i consider the REAL Battlefield Experience, though I still have a soft spot for Titan mode in 2142 over pretty much anything in BF2. It feels to me like the vehicular gameplay is what has suffered the most with the newer games, Turning into more of an arcade powerup rather than the devestating force multipliers that they were previously. The commander and all his toys being physically on the map was super interesting too, and assasinating him/blowing up his stuff was pretty much the entire purpose of the Spec Ops class, which they merged into the sniper role in later games once that got nixxed.
2142 and 2 are the shared peak of BF. 2142 was just refined BF2 gameplay and the addition of the Titans; which is still the only gamemode (alongside Conquest) which is quintessentially BF.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!
BF2 was awsome. Back in the day we played on the map the pearl. The bloody Pearl.
Clans ran their own servers, played wars and had a lot of fun.
Thanks for the reminder :-)
Battlefield 2 was indeed the best Battlefield. I wholeheartedly agree. It felt like that game was way ahead of it's time when it launched.
The game Squad is like the spiritual successor to BF2 with more focus on realism. It's even better than BF2 imo.
Eh, Squad is the successor to Project Reality Mod, I reckon (early) Planetside 2 was the spiritual successor to BF2/2142. It had the same focus on teamwork and coordination while retaining large scale (larger infact) and the combined arms approach.
i still play bf2 lan via hamachi with a group of friends (we made our own mod and maps plus some maps from others. we enjoy the 5 vs 50 bots feel of it. we even keep tweaking stuff to this date). the bf2 experience is indeed unique. i could only think of bf3/bf4 being mod-able to come even close.
I'd argue for its time, in 2005, Battlefield 2s graphics were leading edge. Just my opinion though.
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Yeah back in the day BF2 graphics were cutting edge. It's been kind of battlefields' "thing" ever since.
Half Life 2 came out a year ago at that point and was sooo much better looking. Even for 05 it's graphics weren't all that impressive, let's be frank
@@Celene1312 Disagree 100%. Totally different art styles as well.
Fear was leading edge in 2005
Half life 2 had better graphics, it's not dependant on the art direction.
Still playing this game even today! 😁 modifying it for more than a decade, from shared content of many creators in the community. I'm from Philippines.
if Battlefield 2021 fail again, it will be ending for the franchise.
For hardcore gamers the franchise is already dead...
since like bf3 ...
It's already dead.
Great video. I've been a battlefield fan since Battlefield 2. it's still my favorite game of all time and I sure hope DICE/EA learn from their mistakes and bring back what we love about Battlefield.
we all love battlefield, specially since it gifted us a technical person like you.
To me BF@ was the best and most fun Battlefield game to date. It didnt matter what was going on it was fun. From sneaking to find enemy commanders and their equipment to watching the ragdolls of players fly into the air after being hit by artillery. It also didnt matter if you were winning or losing as the game could turn at the last second. Cant recall how many games I played where the winning team only had 10 or less tickets. Heck even had a number of games that were won with 1 ticket remaining, Those close games were the best because everyone fought to win and worked together to do so.
I wish I had gave it more of a chance. I just remember the feeling of being lost when I played it but it was my first BF title. You made some great points as usual, I 100% agree on the dust cloud visuals in BF2.
For me 2142, BC2 and BF3 are my favourite games of all time, I'm sure BF2 would be there if I gave it more of a chance. BF died for me when BF4 was released.
The thing that gets me the most is that these games are supposed to evolve forward and EA were supposed to LEARN from the games they made but they have just been going backwards since bf2. On another side note 2142 was super epic too even if it was a reskin with some extra stuff. Helicarrier boardings were dope.
What I mostly miss from BF2 is the award system. Cool looking badges, medals and ribbons which actually had a meaningful criteria to get.
Took me 4y for the Purple Heart!
yup these had meaning back then, especially because there was a high chance to get nulled if you boosted your stats to earn a medal/ribbon.
@@surject The purple heart was awarded when you scored a 1:4 K/D ratio with at least 20 deaths in a round. That just means you played decently for 4 years and then had a really bad day.
I got the purple heart in like 2 months lol
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I'm well aware of that :) It was a joke ;) I was pretty proud not to have it in all those years compared to my clan buddies ...and then it happened! A sad sad day that was.
You hit the nail on the head; I've been saying a lot of the same things for years.
I finally lost faith in the franchise after battlefield 4.
BF2 was unreal. It was SO good. That music, that takes me back. The whole Strike at Karkand music was phenomenal. I miss it.
It was such a good game. Although it had no real sequel, because of Squad's origins in BF2:Project Reality, it feels closer to a sequel than anything EA have produced.
Solid video, my man. Got me interested in looking into servers for battlefield 2.
I'm confused, it said "Best Battlefield" but 2142 wasn't mentioned anywhere. Ah well, vid still gets a Like. Pre-Frostbite BF was so much better, but that DICE doesn't exist anymore.
He probably considers 2142 as a BF2 overhaul rather than an original title
Future theme doesn't do it for me, but I do agree the gameplay elements in that were extraordinarily good especially compared to modern standards.
2142 is a garbage game, that's why. Not even within the top 5 LOL
Battlefield 2 is also my favourite. I played with Begrip and xGx for several years. In my opinion one of the main aspects that made Battlefield 2 so good was the maps, and how they were beautifully designed to work in 16, 32 and 64 player modes.. For clan matches the 16 player versions was perfect, and gave a small tension battleground to play on, while for Big Wars and public Mayhem the 64 player maps with planes and many flags played very well. Also speed and functionality was in focus. Simply just looking at the camo-rose that came with BF2 vs today shows the whole story really.. The BF2 camo-rose would instantly pop up on the screen as soon as you pressed the button, and you could right away move the mouse in the direction you wanted to toggle the right option - this meant you learned where each option was and within a splitsecond gave the right commands. Today (and every single BF ever since) there is a focus on the graphics of the UI, so the commo-rose animates into play, and in addition you have to move the mouse and hit each of the options - all of this takes more time and more precision with the chance you could miss an option.. this is a huge step back from something that was perfect in BF2, and I feel the same step backwards has happened all over the gameplay.. Tanks in BF2 vs tanks in BF1 and BFV.. wow, the tanks in BF2 are just so much better balanced.. running out of shells and having to drive back to main to restock... just does not add any fun or usefull function to the game.. And while I think BF1 actually had some decent maps, and I think the graphics and physics are awesome, it still don't play near as good as BF2 did - and I think among the reasons is the map designs.. go back to more focused map design for conquest - and make them 16, 32, 64 which worked really well.. and in BFV where there are versions of maps made to fit into a singleplayer campaign, like the ruined city and non-ruined versions... it just is a mess to play.. the cinematic narrative should really not affect level design - as it has proven to make some really bad maps imo.. I agree with Bns that it's the focus that needs to get back.. a focus around the gamemode in which the maps shall be played, and then focusing on how to make the maps play well for that - and design ui elements (like camo-rose) to be as fast and snappy as possible.. and just look back at how things were back in the day when it was at it's best - I believe all of these things can go hand n hand with amazing physics, destruction and graphics which the frostbite engine provide.
Thank you Chris. Finally someone that goes as far back as bf2 as the template for bf games. I adored bfbc2 bf3 but in terms of the topics you mentioned they're way off the mark.
I miss the Dalian Power plant map. At the time not so much as it was first in the rotation on the UK1 server and that server crashed a lot meaning back to Dalian again!
Special mention for the Spec Ops add-on, which was pretty much a stand alone game.
battlefield 2 was a masterpiece it also gave us project reality mod which is basically the best game i have ever played,i also loved battlefield 3
I still remember those 500 respawn times..
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Thank you for this video. This brings me back to 2142 and the good times I had in that.
The players these days dont know even anymore the basics of battlefield, like to throw a healpack to a low hp teammate or something. I played the bf francise around 6k hours and i think the francise need to die. Dice Stockholm should stop design videogames at all, maybe the studio have other talents.
frankly, i couldn't care less if battlefield as it is now would die. It's a dumpster fire already. And i've been enjoying BF since 1942. It has gotten the same treatment as all the other games - muddied core mechanics for the sake of attracting a bigger cloud. hell, even cod and rb6 used to be good.
@@kamikatze13 Battlefield is now a large scale CoD with no depth and rainbow six is a fucking hero shooter where you look though a hole with a 4x scope in a cqc enviroment.
I miss the old days.
You start of by showing BF3...proceeds to talk about the battlefield you consider the best ever made. I thought for a second it was BF3 as that was the gameplay at the start of the video. I was like, nonononono. Then you said Battlefield 2 and i was like YEAH!!!! Right in the feels man. Was 16 at the time it came out. Most likely the game i have the most time played on...since ever.
Tho it does make me sad that you would think people would click out of the video because of it. I personally was about to click out of it because i thought it would be BF3, but stayed and watched everything when you said it was BF2 xD
Keep up the great work
To me this video sounded like a speech at a funeral.
there is more truth in that than I like to admit 😬
The right environment, the right time with the right people. BF2 literally forged life long friendships for me that I will forever be grateful for. This video made me re-visit a time-capsule that I will always cherish. Thanks Chris! Really appreciate this video.
I still play BF2 with bots, and even they are smarter than the current BF player...
I played with People more than TWICE MY AGE when I was 12. They never disregarded me because of it.
I'm the exact same, in my twenties now and I wish I could play back in them days again. The whole environment, every aspect of BF2/2142 and their communities were brilliant, glad I could experience it at least.
I used to play with the older gamers clan when I was 15, they asked if I wanted to join a couple of times but their min age was 25.
@@PopoAU BF2 and 2142 are still alive, the community is so good that they keep the games alive despite EA shutting them down multiple times
@@Delantho Where and how? I would love to get into BF2 again!
Yeah, I remember the glory days of Clan-gaming. From BF1942 to BF 2142.
Some of my best gaming moments are from those years. Playing Clan Wars, competing in leagues.
We even had a guy who made de-brief logs of our Clan wars, writing about good things players did.
Always lifted every player in some way. God those were the days.
Bf2 was the reason I started play multiplayer
I'm glad you made this Video to smack down all those people who thought they knew BFV failed because it went back to BF2 style when it didn't.
this dude is one of the best content creators...so underrated
The best muliplayer fps and Battlefield game ever made. Me and my classmate were two 15 year olds from Sweden joining a international clan and went to the UK playing in competitions together... the clan had people between 14 and 60 years old.
The best time Ive ever had online was in this game.
Well when marketing departments heavily influence the development teams you get games like today. Half designed sloppy messes in my opinion.
Richtig gutes video man👌👌
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Just making a note here. You said B2 didnt blow away players with amazing graphics or sound design. Wrong on both accounts. It absolutely did. It was one of the most striking and forward thinking engines on the market. The game was absolutely top tier in the graphical department and you needed a top of the line computer to max it. It was a lavish production on all fronts.