Two handed bowling is a sin...
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- The two handed bowling debate never ends and many people still seem to treat it as though it's one of the seven deadly sins. Whether you are a believer in the traditional one handed style or have embraced two handed bowling, the game has changed forever.
Today we take a look at the strong opinions opinions of many "anti two handers" and discuss an interesting link between Bowling and Tennis.
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Imagine older football fans complaining about how the game has evolved from mostly running the football to mostly throwing. It's called evolution
Imagine not being able to evolve with time!
I don't know a lot about football, but that sounds like a strategy change, not a different technique.
@@bowlingxp8345 based off your reply, u are right, u dont know a lot about football. Throwing the football revolutionized the sport to what it is today. Wether u wanna compare it to a technique or not, the point still stands. Besides, two handed bolwing isnt far off from one handers. At the end of the day, both techniques have a one handed relesase.
@@raysanchez4214 You mean in football, it was illegal to throw the ball before ? And oh don't get me started on the excuse "but the release is with one hand"..
@@raysanchez4214 no it didn’t the rules were changed now allow a greater success at throwing the football wrs are protected now in the past they weren’t they used to get their heads knocked off!
I bowled for over 30 years as a one handed bowler, the had damage to my forearm and bicep in the military and could no longer properly hold the weight of the ball (even as low as a 12lb ball) through the swing. So I trained on bowling two-handed to see if I could back into the game. The amount of stress relieved off of my right arm by the help and support of the left hand in two-handed bowling was a great welcome. I can once again play one of my favorite leisure sports and enjoy the game. For those that have an issue with it - they just really need to get over it. Things change, and just because they don't like it, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. These same people that have an issue with not "bowling properly, they way it 'should' be" are the same types of people that had an issue with mixed-race dating and the introduction of the forward pass in football...
Join the Special Olympics then.
@@snwrist_3lmfao I bet you couldn’t even beat half the people in these comments
@@briwolfe8694 Calm down Barbie.
I'm a two-handed bowler because I could never grasp getting the thumb out of the ball in time. I used to bowl one-handed using two fingers, but it put too much stress on my wrist. I get crap on my bowling videos for bowling two-handed, but it doesn't bother me. It motivates me to become a better bowler with the style I've chosen to use.
Its ugly to watch. Pass.
I've been bowling one handed for 30 years. Been away from the sport for the last few. Getting back into this year and I'm going 2 handed. Been doing no ball drills on my kitchen floor to get the timing down. New shoes come in next week. Can't wait to see if I can do it at 50
@@wingracer1614 Heck yeah!!! I wish you the best of luck and I hope you beat your original bowling scores too!
Well that’s the point people make right? Getting your thumb out of the way is what’s difficult. You wouldn’t be able to throw a 16lbs ball with two fingers but know you can. I’m not hating I honestly don’t care how you bowl. Happy your able to have fun!
I’m a one handed bowler, keep doing you brother. If it works for you NO bowler should have a problem with it. Glad you decided to take to the sport and I expect that perspective to change once the baby boomers fade out lol
Okay then… Go back to wooden golf clubs and baseball bats if you think two handed is cheating
I don’t care if you throw a bowling ball with two hands or just one. To me it’s not a life or death situation.
At this point the only bowling sin I care about is when a league/tournament house is bought up and turned it into a laser light show night club. But that's another issue.
4 years ago I switched to bowling without my thumb, so I guess I'm in between styles.
I think there is a feeling that it's not fair, b/c anyone can just walk in and hook the ball all over the place. But to get to a higher level, there are many problems two handers face, that are easier for those using thumb. You really need to be physically fit to execute and of course getting speed on the ball. Enter a sport shot tournament and watch a two hander who doesn't know how to project the ball down the lane, and it'll look ugly.
I think if I switched to bowling without my thumb 15 years ago I would have had to suffer through a lot of negative comments. But now, almost no one cares (or says anything). At least with my style, most people realize that it took some work to learn how to hold the ball, but with two handers, it can look so easy.
The thing I have been working on, which I don't think some people like, it being able to switch to bowling with my thumb later in tournaments. Haven't done it much, but I think it comes with that sense of being an unfair advantage. Other people have only one style, and there here is this guy that has two.
The time when it did work, I finished a duel pattern tournament bowling no thumb on one lane, thumb other lane, just made match play, and then won a two game match doing that. Ended up with people coming after me that I can't no thumb the ball I use with my thumb, (as if I don't know the rules). The finger pitches and weight are different, I couldn't use a ball both ways even if I wanted to.
I did not switch styles b/c I wanted to hook the ball. I simply love bowling, and wanted to be good enough to compete on sport shots and tournaments, but also have some hand issues. After decades of trying I had to be realistic that there is only so much I can do as a thumb bowler.
If two hand bowling helps to keep bowling alive as a sport, I'm all for it.
Are string pins a sin?
@@wingracer1614 Yes it is. They need to be reserved for the night clubs only.
@@nothumbbowler1802 Agreed, just wanted to make sure there was at least one more sin on your list
Do people not realize this is an April fools thing lol
I'm a big fan of the two-handed style. It's what got me into bowling. I saw the things that Jesper and Belmo would do, and I instantly loved it. If it wasn't for me watching two handed bowling, I would never have even continued to try bowling. Both have their pros and cons. It's easier to create revs with two handed, but it's harder to create ball speed as well as its harder to maintain proper timing. with one handed bowling, speed is no issue, timing is a bit more straight forward, but revs are harder to come by. I have a lot of respect for good one-handed bowlers because its hard and I think people need to also realize that two handed is hard too in its own way. I think it balances out. It's just what path you choose to take.
That’s one thing that people don’t understand too. It seemed like bowling was dying. And 2 handed gave it a little bit for life
its ugly to watch. pass.
No it’s cheating
@@vincentsaputo5240 Can you show me in the rules where it states that two handed bowling is cheating?
@@bam5561 it clearly states in the rule book of one handers who are haters that two handed bowling is illegal!!
Two hands is fun I love it🎉🥳😁💪🏻🎳
Crazy as this might sound, you are one of the inspirations for this 50 year old man to try and learn 2 handed, LOL.
I started out one handed thumb in. My dad was always showing me PBA shows and one of his favorites was Belmo. I went to a tournament one time, and was just performing terribly. I said screw it, and started throwing it two handed, and I clawed my way back up the leaderboard. Not necessarily because I was executing shots better, but because I was having fun, and I got out of my own head. I never bowled consistently with my thumb in ever again. I think people forget while watching the top level bowlers that for many of us, bowling is a passtime, it's just a game, and the game should be fun. If people have more fun getting all the revs they can on the ball and watching it hook from gutter to gutter, what's wrong with that?
There is no two handed bowler, the fact that one person carries the bowling longer with two hands then another doesn't mean there two handed bowler, I can prove this with a video of Jason Belmonta in super slow motion, at the point of release Jason' s left hand is completely away from the bowling ball.
Much can be said about two handed, ask yourself why the bowling ball does not have a finger hole or two for the opposite hand drilled in it ?
Someone answer that one PLEASE ? Maybe the author of this video will speak up on the point.....
I think the lifespan of a two handed bowler will be much shorter. The position of the body is going to create more severe back, hip and shoulder injuries than sustained by the traditional pendulum stroker.
Walter Ray Williams Jr seems to disagree. Youth will always have an edge physically, even one handed. Look at EJ Tacket. He's not going to be able to bowl like that at 55. 2 hand doesn't mean you have to be all contorted. It's nice if you can do it but you can throw it 2 handed with a more upright stance. I'll be 50 this year with a bad back and knees. I'm just now starting to give 2 handed a try and so far it is going well. It's a lot easier on my hand and forearm.
Not exactly. I Bowl 2 handed, but I am like a one hander in body position, if that makes sense.
Why do you think it's ruined the game? It's fantastic and what should've come first. If you disagree then go swing a golf club with one hand ... or swing a baseball bat. There's no two handed forehand in tennis because the ball is light ... two handed backhand is common.
Yup, no matter what the 2 handed players might say to cover themselves, i still consider it a big SIN.. so shoot me, who cares..
Two-Handed bowling does come with a huge advantage. There really is no debating this.. It has the best of both worlds from 1-handed traditional bowling, and cupped 2-finger style. It gets revolutions and side-axis rotation far more easily, and it also allows you to use your whole body to attain more push and power. I dont have anything against 2-handed bowling, and I think if it legal, then the people who utilize it are smart.. But to say its not an advantage is wrong.. PBA had to pretty much make patterns so difficult to cut down on the 2-handed advantage which is why we now see so much urethane and straight shooting lol.. Its actually kinda hilarious.
For yall two handed haters, if yall dont like where the sport is heading then dont bowl period. Basketball players use two hands to shoot a ball and a basketball weights less than a bowling ball, so you think a hooper will be consistent shooting with one hand from the three point line when the length from the 3 point line to the basket is almost the same length as the bowling lane? Sports evolved whether you like or not, only thing you can do is adapt if youre falling behind using an old techniques. Just like Belmo said, why change the way I choose to bowl when I’m beating you? I bowl both, started as three finger then converted to two hand, not to mention EJ is my favorite bowler in todays bowling era. Try a new sport if you cant beat the competition because complaining wont change anything, it will only leave you behind.
My whole life I did traditional style when playing (only couple times a year,) .... about 6 weeks ago I tried two hand style... was able to curve the ball alot with house balls and started scoring 40 pins higher per game... and now with that change alone at the age of 41.... has bowling 2 times a week, bought my own ball, and into the sport big time (top game 222 thus far)
2H is deadly, 1H is deadly.... whatever just works and gets you out to the lanes is fine by me
I'm an old school one hander. But look the goal of bowling is to knock down pins. If someone can do this with their tongue more power to them. It's about revs. And the two handers get this done. To me it seems easier to straighten out your ball on certain spare shots with one hand, but I've never tried two so I cant comment! Great analogy with the two handed backhand! Bowl on!
2 hander here, I've been bowling semi seriously since I started college and now that im out of college I've been going to my local bowling center even more and trying to perfect my game. I agree that its easier to learn in the beginning but I believe that getting consistent with the style is just as hard as 1 handed bowling. I've been trying for years to get my average up to a 200 and im still to this day stuck at around 180 (my lane reading skills and spare game still need some work). I love the challenge of learning the game and for whatever reason i just find more joy in bowling with 2 hands than with 1. The power and the rev rate I can achieve with this style is much more satisfying to me than with 1 hand (however thats probably due to my lack of training in 1 handed timing and the presence of my wonder muscles, wonder where they're at). I dont care what anyone thinks I will always stick with 2 hands
Man is just complaining it's just the way you throw the ball one hand or two not your problem if it works for them it's okay
One handed bowler here. I don't care how someone bowls, everyone still has to knock out 10 pins at the same distance. The Old Guard is always going to complain.
Seems like bowling with two hands makes it a lot easier to keep the ball stable when aiming . Seems almost like cheating.
Evolve or get left behind. Theres many ways to swing a tennis racket, many ways to shoot a basketball, many ways to pitch a baseball, and many ways to bowl a bowling ball. Its all about the results
The game continues to change. Either adapt or quit.
As a once in a blue moon bowler I'll speak from my perspective. I think one of the reasons for two handed bowling disdain is that it just doesn't look as cool. That classic silhouette of a one handed bowler is an iconic image it's almost a shame for it to die. Obviously that's a dumb reason but I think it probably plays a part.
I have nothing against 2-handers (and I'm a 1-handed righty and lands on my right foot like Lou Campi), but with all of that power and with all of those rpms, not only is it a two-hander's biggest strength, it's also their biggest weakness, especially true on certain patterns like Wolf, Cheetah, and Viper as there is little to no hold inside of target. Getting to the dry parts of the lane early causes the ball go through the middle or crossover. The US Open pattern is also like this as it's incredibly flat, with no hold inside and it won't turn the corner if outside of target. What the Jason Couch's and Mike DeVaney's of the world don't ever mention is that sometimes a player goes to two hands or does the 1-handed, no-thumb method is because of medical reasons like a missing thumb, other problems with their hand, wrist, arm, etc. Some will just pull a Tom Daugherty or Mike Miller just use the 2-fingers and no-thumb method. If it works, it works. It doesn't bother me one bit.
I think that people are just annoyed that it allows for higher revs than one-handed throwers with far less effort, and that angers people. Why? No idea. Bowling was, and is still dropping in popularity overall, so making it more accessible seems better for all involved.
I'm a 2 handed bowler because I found the one-handed style too hard to master when it comes to getting the thumb out.
Here’s a thing my coach always told me. Worry about your game and your score. Not your opponent. The moment you worry about your opponent, you lose.
2 handed bowlers STILL need to have a repeatable release, hit their mark, control their speed.
Focus on being a better bowler, and you beat them. Simple as that.
Put in the effort to improve. Because that’s what they are doing.
Even Robert "Maximum Bob" Smith says it ain't cheating. Most if not all 2-handers haven't matched or surpassed Bob's rev rate which went well over 640rpm and has been reported to go well into the 700s.
Knock down the pins. That’s what bowling is. One hand, two hand, hadouken style, no thumb, etc. Do what works for you. I was resistant to the two hand thing, but I’m over it now. Plenty of one handers still around doing great. Also, I am a one hander. I stink with two hands haha.
Sounds like this guy is complaining. I bowl with one hand two fingers and I still get the object of the game done. Hit the pins
I'm just glad there is another group takin heat off us lefties! Do what you want and knock 'em over!
I'm a two handed bowler and my favorite bowler is EJ Tackett. His release and power is phenomenal. Stop hating on two handers, were here to stay
I switched from 1 hand to 2 hand because I absolutely smash my hand and broke it in multiple places. After it healed I could only bowl 1 game before I was in a ton of pain and bowling was no longer fun, I got introduced to two handed and never looked back, much more comfortable now and I can play 6-8 games without issue, but a lot of my 1 hander people still think it's cheating.
EJ Tackett has as high if not higher rev rate than most 2 handers, but he doesn’t cop it because he uses 1 hand. The Sport evolved
Nothing is wrong with two handed bowling. Bowling takes skill if you are one handed or two handed.
Two handed bowling has ruined the game and should be banned.
I will never change my opinion on this.
I’m a old handed bowler and I don’t see nothing really wrong with two handed. Two handed or one handed, they both go down the lane the same way. It’s not like with 2HB, the ball is going all over the place. It’s unique IMO.
It’s comical hearing people call themselves “traditionalists” or “old school” while using reactive resin bowling balls on synthetic surfaces oiled by an oiling machine. All inventions that were lightyears away at the original time of true “old school” or “traditional” bowling.
Walter Ray Williams Jr himself once left a facebook comment in reply to someone hating on two handing. He told that person that true old school bowling is done with a wooden ball with one fingerhole and one thumbhole. He’s right. Essentially every single two handed hater is a complete hypocrite.
What shocks me the most is that so many people have the misconception that both hands are used to rev the bowling ball. Anyone with a remote clue about the physics of bowling knows that this would be impossible to do effectively. They all release with the same one hand and two fingers as any thumb-in bowler. Two handing simply requires more flexibility and athleticism to perform effectively. It is absolutely an athletic advancement in technique.
It takes way more talent to bowl with 1 hand 🤷🏻♂️
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As a one hander bowler. I disagree with a two hander bowler being a sin. I'm all for bowlers to bowl two handed if they feel comfortable doing it, I say do it. My advice to new bowlers who are starting out is to find your comfort zone first and stick with it.
No rules broken or changed. In Bowling, it's not how, but how many. Let's see if their backs and knees lasts for the senior tour.
I am a disabled vet who has a bad back, knees, and elbows from carrying 100lbs a day in Iraq and kicking in 60 doors a night and I went from 1 hand to 2 because my body wont let me do what I need to with only one hand. I can do it, but I am in pain all over (more than two handed). When those who dog two handed bowling have two combat tours, then you can come talk to me about my bowling style. Until then shhhhhhhhut it.
That's what I've been trying to get through the heads of all these knuckleheads in here. 2 handed can actually be easier physically. Yeah Packy and Simo are doing some crazy stuff physically but that's because they are young and can get away with it but old men can do it too. Just look at Walter Ray Williams switching to 2 handed. I'm about to be 50 and making the switch to 2 handed because I can't do my powerful 1 handed approach for long anymore. The same thing is going to happen to EJ Tacket someday. Hell, 13 year old girls can bowl 2 handed.
I guess I'm an old school bowler I have always used one hand but see nothing wrong with two handed bowling some people are more comfortable with it !
Keep the integrity of the game.. Half as many bowlers as compared to the 60's and 70's yet an almost unmeasurable comparison percentage of perfect games being thrown now... How fun is "putting in a bathtub" make a 200 average something to aspire to reach not an expected outcome for a 1-2 year bowler...
It's just evolution to me. I've never had the skills to throw a really effective ball one handed so just over 10 years ago I invested half a year and switched. It took me from above average to close to the top in my country. Anyone would be an idiot not to take that right? Or maybe it's the people losing their spot to people like me that moan about it.
I don't know really, we all try to get the best out of ourselves and that should be enough. I know I will never win the world championships, but I do know I have become competitive and enjoy my game a whole lot more like this. That's what counts in the end for anybody isn't it?
I think it's kind of like when snowboarding came on the scene and lot of skiers didn't think it should be allowed on the slopes and a lot of ski resorts banned it for a while. Some skiers think the snowboarders mess up the snow on the slopes and tend to cause accidents. It's just like a lot of sports that evolve over time. They produce more revs and axis tilt but they are not winning every tournament, so I think one handers are still going to be bowling for the foreseeable future.
I'm a one hander myself and I don't mind it at all. However, I am beginning to doubt if high revolutions are necessary with modern bowling balls. They are so angular at the break point and they hardly deflect when they hit the pins. I've recently returned to bowling after not playing for many years, and I am shocked at how many pocket 7-10s and 4-9s I see now; washouts and splits are also far more common. I've started experimenting with a suitcase grip due to the frustration of over/under lane reactions. Early days, but my carry has improved and I'm not having to move as often. Current balls used: Motiv Venom Shock, Hammer 3D Offset Attack.
It isnt a sin. That is just dumb. Even the great late Mo Pinel said 20 years ago that two handed bowling was going to become more the norm than the exception. I have been a two hander for almost 30 years now. I started when I was in the military and now just turned 50 and still get it down the lane at 18-19 mph and over 500 rpms.
If you think that bowling 2-handed bowling is considered cheating, then watch EJ Tackett win the 3 tournaments from this year so far. One of the wins was against Kyle Troup
Never thought they'd get the consistency needed. Guess I was wrong. Still wondering it they can match the ball speed of a one hander.
I’m a left handed one handed bowler and 2 handed bowlers don’t bother me because the way I think of it is just a skill issue and if you really believe 2 handed is that big enough of an advantage just learn how to do it and if you can’t or refuse that’s on you
2h makes it easy for even talentless bums to have a powerful release and strong rev rate. That's why it's exploding. Period.
2 handed and one handed are around the same difficulty. one handed is miles easier in some things than 2 handed and 2 handed is miles easier in things than one handed
I thought it was strange when I stopped watching bowling for a long time and then I come back and check it out and there's all these 2 handed guys. I don't mind it but it's definitely not my style of how I play the game
Bowling alley around town has a bunch of “old guard” guys that bowl and bitch about two handers.. the house is frankly built to appease older guys who just kinda dump the ball over second arrow.. so it’s impressive when a two hander can come in and bowl well there. Drives me nuts that people just can’t let people do what makes them happy, no one on these leagues are pros, they all have stupid quirks that they’ve figured out through years of bowling with said quirks how to make them work. Everyone puts time into their craft recognize and STFU!
I have been bowling two handed for 10 years. I had to change to get more power as a older player. When I switched 10 years ago I got so many complaints in league and tournaments. Especially in senior leagues with older players, the reactions were vicious. Now with more two handers it is better. But still many in leagues and tournaments for seniors don’t like it still. They somehow think I have an advantage. I am 70 now. I bowl right and left two handed.
Back in the mid 90's, I was bowling on a second shift league. The membership for ABC at the time was still pretty healthy, and since then, it's declined considerably. When bowling was at its peak viewership and participation, it had a lot less to compete with as far as activities go (at one point it was more viewed than the other major sports on TV). I presume that 2-handed bowling could only help attract people to the sport. I tried it once and hurt my wrist, and realized that it's not easy to do, so if people think it's an advantage, then why don't they just do it?
I love bowling as much as anybody,but it never had better ratings then the 4 major sports
I been bowling for 26 years one handed and will stay that way! 2 handed bowling is not for me and too damned old to start!
two handers have an advantage. they don't have to worry about the thumb fit, swelling tape for fit etc. maybe 2 handers should be made to use a thumb hole to make it more even.
2 hand bowling = no skill I"ve thrown great hooks with single hand, worked on it for a long time to get it right... it seems 2 handed bowling is for those that can't throw a hook it's like cheating I feel but I'm old school I guess
Games evolve, but there’s never a guarantee that fan reception will be positive to said evolution. Professional sports aren’t just about strategy, but about entertainment value. So there could be a new strategy that helps a professional athlete do better then becomes “meta,” but fans might not find it as entertaining. And they’re entitled to view it like that. Professional sports are a business as much if not more than a skills competition.
I wasn't raised to bowl two handed. To me it looks like a kid trying to get a ball down lane that is too heavy for them. Belmonte's form is the best approach I have seen throwing it two handed.
Watch some Chris Via videos. That guy is smooth.
adultry and sex before marriage are two waaaay different things, holy shit. not even remotely close
I tried bowling one handed but unfortunately due to an injury I have with my middle finger I can’t put enough pressure on it and every throw feels like my finger’s breaking. Tried 2 handed and felt more comfortable and enjoying the game !
c`mon....what a stupid approach.
in former years, in high jumping, everybody used the "straddle" technique. until mr. fosbury perfected the flop. every tradionalist was shouting and crying. with no effort. today nobody even knows, what technique was used before. evolution is a part of every sport. 2-handed bowling was kind of a revolution - so what? get familiar with it. that`s all. stop crying.
I'm waiting for an ambidextrous bowler, a true two-handed bowler
Whenever you have a sport with traditions, some segment of the population will complain when somebody starts doing non-traditional things. Those complaints will be quite a bit louder if that person also finds success. The important thing is that you need to determine if the "new" way of doing things is in some way an unfair advantage, and with two-handed bowling I'd say that's not the case. While I personally don't care for the style I also don't see any valid reason for banning it.
It's astounding how the purists who complain the loudest about what they think is "ruining the sport", fail to see that purists are typically what destroy industries
Clearing the thumb and the weight of the ball have always been part of bowling. The only tradition is that every ball had to have a thumb hole until recently.
Two handed is better overall you can adjust your revs and shape the ball so many ways with different speeds
It's cheating, made legal. An absolute short-cut to more pin-carry and higher scores.
There are so many 2 handers now, My wife and I joke now when watching Bowling, We say oh' look it's one of those freak one handed bowlers!
1 handed bowling is a dying breed
I bowled one-handed for 20 years, then switched to two-handed. For me it's just way more fun, which is the whole point. It's easy to get a high rev rate, but I find it much harder to get a consistent release. For all those adamantly opposed, just try it out a couple times. If you still don't like it you are completely within your rights to continue to despise it...but there will be more and more youngsters out there crushing pins like this.
Yeah, its alot easier for 2 handers to put revolutions on the ball. So I understand the love for 2 hands not for me but do whatever you gotta do to knock all 10 pins in the pit
Its ugly to watch. Pass.
in tennis (I speak from experience playing the sport at a high level for decades and also hitting a one-hand backhand), you have to still master a number of different shots (serve, forehand, volleys, overheads etc...) and also maintain superior conditioning and athleticism. So yes, on certain surfaces (clay and slow high bouncing hardcourts), a two handed back hand may have an advantage, but it will not mean they have an overwhelming advantage, and a one-handed backhand player can still be highly competitive at the highest levels of the sport. What I worry about with bowling (and no, I am fine with two handed bowling), is that we are potentially eliminating options on how to play this sport at a high level. In tennis, yes two-handers are becoming the norm, but the nature of the sport has not (and probably will not for sometime) precluded a one-handed backhand player from competing.
Btw, please keep up the excellent content, you are probably the only bowling channel that is actually tackling substantive topics that impact the sport.
we’re talking about bowling here good sir. congratulations on being an incredible tennis phenom..
One-hand no thumb bowler here. There's not very many of us that I'm aware of. I could never deal with the thumb issue and I can't keep my balance for two handed bowling.
Once I start winning PBA titles my three handed style will revolutionize the game
whats the third hand 🤨🤨🤨
Bowling is a battle between the bowler and the pins. It is not about one bowler against another. Bowling is an offensive game and there is no defense. Once the ball leaves the hand, it is on its own; all one can do is watch. A two-handed bowler has as many trials and tribulations on the lane as a one-handed bowler. Skill with a bit of good luck often rises to the top and the top-ranked bowlers on tour often have a staff of coaches, endless access to lanes, and ball sponsors to help them stay on top of their game.
I've bowler one handed my whole life. Never had anything against 2 handed. I've tried it myself, however I can neither get the speed nor the revs I got 1 handed...
That being said my style is rather unorthodox. I can launch the ball with up to 20mph without a high backswing and my rev rate is over 500...
Bowling isn't about styles being one way or the other. It's about how vulnerable is your particular style to mistakes and how drastic are your typical mistakes
It's another evolution of the game. In the early 1900s bowling balls only had two holes. Was the person who added a third hole called a cheater?
Im sure when mark roth appeared and a few others im sure people complained about the new power player method
People who complain about 2-handers are the same ones who complain about urethane and sit around telling people the "right way to bowl". When you see how many 1-handed styles and forms are out there...and then how many 2-handed forms....you realize that the game is about achieving consistency..and if you need a second hand or a funky approach...or an offset thumb to do it....that's yours...it's within the rules....it's your style.
i grew up throwing 2 handed because i was too weak to throw one handed as a 6/7 year old, i just kinda stuck with it until now. i throw 2 handed mostly and only throw one handed for spares
Higher gutters, synthetic lanes, urethane and reactive bowling balls, plasticized coating on pins, livelier sideboards all have contributed to changing the game for the worse. What does a 200+ average mean?
Not for the worse but for the best. As for 200+ average, that's just first world country bowling. Third world country bowling is below 200 even with Synthetic Lanes and no matter what ball.
The only thing change for the worse are String Pinsetters.
What does a 200+ average mean? It means you're not yet good enough to go pro. Just as it did 30 years ago. 60 years ago it might have been good enough
Not so much of an issue with a bowler using two hands to bowl, but I DO think a bowler should be required to put their thumb in the ball at all times to effect a delivery.
If they don't then officials should issue a FOUL everytime they do it.
I’m not against two handed bowling but I do believe two handers should have their own league and only bowl two handers. In my eyes two handed bowling is equal to using a bionic wrist positioner.
Yes thank you glad to see I'm not the only one. For me it's hard to watch.
@@bman2549 I have a theory on why they allow two handed bowling in the PBA. Very simple, more bowlers = more money
@@BowlingNDrums I believe that 100%
Then you complain about the one handed no thumbers. Then you would ban urethane. Then you would ban reactive. Then you would ban plastic with cores so everyone had to use house balls. The objective of bowling is to put 10 pins in the pit. It's not a style competition to be judged by corrupt officials. Go figure skating if that's what you want
@@wingracer1614 lmao!
Regardless of two hands or one, you still have to beat them. You have to respect your competition. If you have a problem with two handed bowling, you missed the point, and are setting yourself up for failure. If you're better, go win.
I decided to go 2 handed because my pso could not get my fit right and I got frustrated, tried it a couple times and never went back!
He must've lost the pba title to a two hand bowler
I may have to video-answer to this, as a couple of points there are dubious. The "problem" with 2 handed style, is that bowling already contained a lot of imbalances as a game, and this one is another one and a big one at that. It basically makes bowling a different game. It's not the "use 1 hand to deliver the ball, gracefully'. It is becoming the "hurdle the ball any way you can with speed and revs towards an area". And that part is kinda sad.
Sad for you. A fun and engaging challenge for others
@@wingracer1614 Sad for the sport, not for me.
Here is a significant date in bowling history. 1/11/1992. Some of us refer to it as the day bowling died.
Why what happened?
Well I personally think its been good and bad. Good because its made the game more accessible.... on the other hand its created this one trick pony urethane players. I been bowling since I was a kid, 30 years ago 1 handed my whole life. I gave the 2 handed thing a serious go recently and its not easy and I quickly found out why most of them throw urethane 98% of time. I have since gone back to 1 handed because I didn't like having to throw 1 type of ball all the time and if that ball didn't look good... I had nothing else to go to. If I were to teach a kid to bowl today I would have them start with 2 handed and study Belmo and Simo since they are so versatile compared to a lot of other pro 2 handers.
I get why people 2 hand bowl. Its alot easier to put revs on the ball.
Two handed bowling is cheating technically
I am a two hander, it's much, much easier for me, it's easier on my older body that's had a few surgeries including back surgery. I'm able to enjoy the game this way.
Any chance on of a video on helicopter bowling as bowled in Asia?
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One handed and always will be. I use to only use 2 fingers and no thumb but now i bowl with thumb one handed but i dont hate on 2 handers. However you gotta strike im all for it.
My thoughts are that 2 handed bowling is against the spirit of the game. However, if it wasn't explicitly written into the rulebook then it is absolutely a valid way to play. Overall, although I prefer one handed bowling as I believe it provides greater differentiation between skill levels, I believe two handed bowling is a net benefit for the sport as it provides easier access and encourages participation.
We need two handers if it it can help grow the popularity of the sport.
I made the switch around 18 months ago and it's much more enjoyable and on top of that I find it easier to be more consistent (average jumped 50 pins) also axis and speed control is alot easier to control and adjust ❤
I've noticed similar. For me, a righty, I can use my left hand to kind of set the ball's axis where I want it to stay and I'll be able to hold it much easier than with one-handed.
@benclark1423 exact same, plus when I used 1 hand there was no way of me being able to have a cupped wirst or bent elbow
i mean, I'm slightly biased here lol but I'm a 2 hander and i couldn't agree more with the statement that we need accuracy. I for sure get a lot of hate because I am a 2 hander but it's not as easy as it looks. The consistency in both ball speed and rev rate needed is so crucial or we pay the price with bad breaks. I do believe 1 handed is definitely more impressive when mastered and is more difficult to master, I just can't due to wrist injuries so 2 hand is my go-to. But it should be able to live as 1 sport with many styles instead of being so segregated.
Sex before marriage, etc.....is not even anywhere close to 2-handed bowling haha.....I understand moving with the times is important, but remember there were weight holes in bowling balls, there were no reactive resin balls, there is a foul line for a reason. 2 handed bowling has amazing benefits and makes the game easier for a lot of people. I'm not good at it, but it can make the extra rev rate and possible speed come in handy for tournaments/competition. That's all it is.
i’m a two handed bowler and even i think everyone should at least learn to bowl with one hand