Due to wrist and shoulder issues I switched from a normal right hand fingertip grip to Sarge Easter Grip in 2017 at 43 years old. Then I switched from 1h righty Sarge Easter to 2H lefty in 2021. It took until 2023 before I was legit pretty good again, and I'm still not back to where I was 1H righty... but I'm getting really close.
You made a double switch so not strange at all. I’m having issues with my right wrist not rotating fully. I just tried 2h this week and have the speed and hook too soon issues . Switching to left hand might be a last resort at age 47
I’m 37 and switched to two handed April ‘22 and never looked back! I played around with it prior and decided to try it as my normal throw after struggling with lower back issues and fighting the thumb (I was surprised how much easier it was the lower back vs traditional!). It’s going to be interesting 10 years from now seeing more people in their 40’s and 50’s throwing 2 handed. It’s also crazy knowing that Walter Ray Williams Jr got a few 300 games throwing 2-handed!
@@jasend8727 since I started almost 2 years ago, by back has never felt better! My company hosts a bowling league and I was hesitant to join because of those issues (my wife convinced me to at least give it a try). I used to have bad spasms and sciatic pain in the legs and it’s been mostly subdued, just a flair-up every now and again. I’ve been crediting bowling as the reason why because it’s keeping my muscles strong and flexible, especially since I developed proper two handed form.
Well 2 finger bowling has been around forever. That's what we did as kids. I'm 44 now so 2 finger bowling 30 years ago wasn't a big deal. I think only 1 pro was successful at it at the time. A few local guys did it. The stability for me was always the problem. Whoever decided to add the other hand in the backswing is a genius cause that corrected the stability issues of bowling with 2 fingers. Generating ball speed will always be the biggest hurdle. Watch early Bella Castillo videos at 11 or 12. Now at 14 she's throwing 18 mph.
I'm 46 and switched last year. I've always had flexibility, but I will have to lift weights if I'm going bowl this way for any kind of long term. The good news is, I have grown my average by 26 pins after switching, so it suits me. Great video!
Funnily enough, I bowled 4 games 2 handed today just to try it. The games went 83, 103, 120, 154. I still have no idea how to control the ball, I just figured out how to roll the spare ball I was using. I'm not going to switch but it was fun!
I switched to 2-handed at 43 and now 46 and have no issues. In fact, it has removed any strain on body I get from 1-handed like wrist etc....and it has allowed me to be more flexible as I get low to the ground etc. My team mate also rolls 2-handed at 47 and we are both 16-17mph - 200+ avg bowlers. I had same issue with speed when I switched.....It isn't arm swing speed that hurts your speed...It's keeping your elbow in, arm tight to body, and letting your feet and whole body throw the ball. I was throwing 13mph no matter how hard I threw it.. Once I tucked in.... my speeds ramped up to 15-16...and now I roll around 16.30 on my cross-lane balls and about 17.10 on my skid-flips. Also, people think 2-handed is how you throw.... nope.. That left hand is your thumb.. It simply holds the ball in your other hand.
I started learning how to bowl last October, and chose to do it two handed (lefty), as I consider myself still athletic lol. I’ve had the slight advantage of not knowing how to bowl at all, so I didn’t need “reprogramming”. It’s been an experience; I’m averaging around 190 in practice, 175 in my first league over the summer, and starting my first fall league Friday. I’m 44 years old. Stretching and Ibuprofen are your friends 😂
I've bowled for 9 years normally and went ,2 handed for ,2 years my avg was 205 then drop to around 190 ish but actually had more high games more often with 2 handed , one thing I learned the most important part of ,2 handed is making sure u keep ur hand up the back of the ball and not to come around it like we know and do with one hand / my ball speed was slower to around 14 or 15 but I was using a black widow 2.0 and if I kept my hand up the back of the ball it didn't over hock and actually went where I needed the ball to go . Felt good but my body didn't like it my chest muscles hurt the next 3 days after league night so I hung it up and went back to one handed
i made the switch at 65 ,went from 14 to a 12 pound ball and i love it. have arthritis my bowling hand so this was a great way to keep bowling ,get a lot more control with a lighter ball
I'm late 60s and have a dog-walking/ tripping/ fall cracked thumb that will take many months to heal. I'm in decent condition, and not a high average one-hander. I just want to bowl again!
@@michaelstusiak5902 yeah, I'm looking at dropping from 14 down to 13 or to 12 if I have to. Broken thumb, but I'm paying for a league I can't bowl in! Two-handed could work.
@@michaelstusiak5902 i think it will take you a few days of practice to get comfortable, like i did. big sky bowler on you tube has a few good training videos that helped me. what i have learned is that i cant do what the pros do so at my age 67 now i just do what's comfortable and have fun . i have about a 150 average cuz shooting spares 2 handed is something ill be working on for some time but i have also shot more 200+ games than i ever did 1 handed
Two handed throws are more difficult. Power comes from the body center of mass, the legs hop, and the slide in the approach. The advantage is that you can go either right hand, left hand, or center release. I could try two handed throws for fun but not for competition yet. Thanks.
I switched in my 20s but still I had played 10+ years seriously with one hand and that's how I learned to bowl too. Took me a long time to relearn but it reignited my passion for the sport and now I'm doing better than I ever was. I could never get the ball to hook as a one hander and always had problems with my thumb getting stuck. Two-handed just suits me better.
I’m interested to throw 2 handed to relieve pressure from my hand. At the start of summer I messed around and did 5 serious practice games 2 handed. I was getting my ball speed faster by the end but it was definitely a struggle. My rev rate probably wasn’t wildly different but I was able to adjust my rotation pretty easily since I didn’t have to worry about my thumb clearing, so that was nice. I felt like my accuracy by the end was actually pretty strong. Without having to worry about the thumb clearing it eliminated one variable that can cause directional screw up. If I had practice time, I would probably do a transition after 4 or 5 practice sessions and see how it went for a few months.
I am 64 years old and bold for the first time in 20 years. Because of physical limitations had major surgeries that allowed me to bowl this last year. Well, I tried to hand it a month and a 1/2 ago and it did not go well. I felt like a little girl because 0 speed behind it could not get it over 10 miles per hour. No control, no balance that was a short lived thing, two handed career
Just started practicing 2 handed the past 2 months. The rev rate increase is nice but yes I would need another lifetime to get as accurate as one handed. Around 13.5 mph and I won't even try to increase my speed but just keep going for the fun of it. As a Sr it has only affected my middle knuckle, so I will continue until something major goes wrong. You looked pretty smooth. I just throw in a few games when practicing and who knows maybe will use it when I can't get my ball to hook this league season.
Why not try to increase speed. I went from 13.5 to 16 by doing a few things. Back up on the approach, move faster to the line, push off back foot in slide, and extend arm in transition/downswing.
To keep the track the same, use a larger thumb insert and use the thumb in the ball. I use the same equipment for both. I use the two handed from the third arrow and left, one handed the third arrow and right. I am 65 years old
I'm 40, been bowling for 27 years as a traditional 1 hander and am making the switch this year. Been practicing it for a bit now and recently got a couple balls drilled for 2 hands. After watching a bunch of tip videos on here, I have been able to dial in my footwork and learned how to utilize my off hand for different types of roll. Ball speed is also a lot better than it was when I first started trying it.
You are a good sport giving this a try! I had to stop bowling last year due to back issues and have read that two-handed is harder on the back than one-handed bowling. Anyone with a low back issue should probably not try. Like you correctly say most two-handed bowlers started very young while flexible and learned the technique. Thanks for the video!
Good for you for trying! I switched to two handed at 39 due to a thumb-side wrist injury (after 30 years of bowling one handed). I'm 43 now. Two handed is the only way I've been able to bowl pain free in the last 10 years. My experience, I was slightly speed dominant one handed. Two handed I became very rev dominant (rev rate increased around 100rpm and the ball speed dropped a bit). I, too, have had difficulty gaining ball speed, but it's getting better a few years later. Can consistently keep my speed in a range from 15mph to around 18mph, depending on what I'm looking for. The challenge I see now is overcoming all the one handed muscle memory and preventing myself from accidentally reverting back to a one handed approach by accident. Happens maybe 3-4 times per set, but it definitely impacts my scoring when it happens. Keep up the great content! I always look forward to your latest videos!
I haven't bowled in 2 months I wanted to have a sport shot and I got the 2024 usbc masters oil pattern. I started with my pyramid pathogen and them my iq ruby I bowl 3 good games 189 179 182. Mostly I bowled 150s 160s and I will have a lot of strikes but for some reason I couldn't hit my spares and I'm usually very good at my spares so I don't know what happen to my spare shooting I would try to hit the Middle arrow to hit a 10 pins or 6 pins but just couldn't hit the middle arrow I would just toss it I the gutter id like bowling on the sport pattern I enjoy bowling more on the sport shot then the house shot.
I would say two handed best for kids, females, short people and house ball casual bowling. It will kill the sports off from uniqueness, still is a style worth to learn but not something all must converted to.
I am just turned 53 this month and I tried switching from 1 hand to 2 hand 2 years ago. I actually got good at it but was fighting a lower back and knee problems just before I started and that caused me to stop. I was getting better pin action with good ball speed but my injuries stopped me. Now that my injuries are better I think I will try it again. Once I got the steps down it was way easier to focus on my hands to get the ball to react in so many different ways.
I think the two handed power game is doing to bowling what it did to tennis, pretty much shortening the life span of the competitors to a max of mid 30's. Competitors will start young and achieve a lot in their prime years, but once the years come on they are pretty much done. The toll on the body is simply too much. I seriously doubt Belmo or Simo will be winning tournaments in their 50's like Norm or many of the great bowlers of the past were able to or winning the US Open at 49 like Pete Weber did.
The key to ball speed when bowling two handed is your legs and the momentum you build in your approach. Relying too much on your arms to throw the ball leads to inconsistency and you will find that you will be very inaccurate throwing with your arms. Like in one handed ball throwing the ball with your arm is bad and good one handed bowlers have a pendulum swing and rely on gravity to power the ball. Eliminating as much upper body movement is the key for accuracy and your legs generate the power. Having a power step such as a hop or shuffle step before release should grant you more ball speed. Footwork is extremely important when bowling two handed and differs a lot from one handed bowling.
I'm on year 2 of the switch and I'm 46. Anyone I've seen switch struggled the first 2 years. You need to give it time for your muscle memory to set in. You can't bail after some bad nights on the lane.
As per your request... This is the worst two handed bowling I've ever seen. Maybe stick to wii bowling and never throw two handed on the lanes ever again.
Nick, You didn't give 2-handed much of a try. Ten minutes certainly isn't enough. If I bowled like you, though, I probably wouldn't change either. But I don't bowl like you. LOL. I'm 73 and will be 74 this summer. I've been a one-handed bowler for more than 50 years. During the last few years my 208 average has dropped. It is now 194. I am an up-the-boards low rev player. I bowled a few games a couple summers ago. I wasn't good enough to attempt to bowl leagues with two hands. This summer I am going to give it a better effort. As a life-long athlete, I am planning on practicing all summer (70 games) with the 2-handed approach and release in hopes of creating more revs and power. It will be a waste of time (and money), or a way to get back to bowling scratch leagues again. We'll see.
We all know that with three months of solid work on that, you will be exactly where you are with your thumb in it. The difference is in how your thumb feels afterwards.
@@brunsnick Good for you, but I can't relate with that. Not trying to downplay you. Arthritis started early for me...I'm not trying to challenge you. I like your channel.
The problem is you didnt bring the thanos glove haha. As a part time 2 hander at age 45 I’ll tell you its not easy to switch but its not very complex either. But just being good one handed you have to put in the time and reps. Great vid as always. Hope this makes a return 💪🎳
There's a few things you can do to make getting speed/accuracy more consistent. One being your timing you don't start your swing until step 4, when you should be entering your swing around the 2nd or 3rd step. Another tip is to suck the ball up into your body instead of trying to pull the ball behind you. -- I've been toying with making the change for the last couple of years, and will be finally making the switch starting this fall season. (Wanted to be able to average 210+ before bringing it to real competition) it makes more sense once the fundamentals are locked in.
I agree. The switch to 2 hands is definitely a process. Going full time with this type of change would take a lot of practice over a substantial amount of time. Hitting to the gym a few times per week benefits everyone with any bowling style. It makes the bowling motions effortless and fluid as compared to forcing the ball downlane and manufacturing ball motion with a weaker body. Good luck with 2 hands this season!
I’m 68 and have played only 16 games two handed with 15 lb and 13 lb balls. The best part of this experiment is I keep the first ball out of the gutter. That is the most important part if the game for me. Secondly less stress on my shoulder and arm. Only more time will tell, but I think in time may keep me bowling longer. Throwing the first ball in the gutter every once in a while during league play when bowling one handed due to loss of arm swing control Is no fun. Two handed if practiced may help with enjoying the sport a little while longer.
I switched from bowling w/ my thumb to without 5 years ago. I made the switch due to some hand issues which make it impossible for me to properly hold the ball with thumb and fingertip grip. I did not go to 2-handed because simply taking my thumb out of the ball seemed to be an easier transition. It honestly wasn't and has taken a much larger focus on health and fitness off the lanes to get better bowling as I do now. But bowling 2-handed seemed to require even more flexibility and strength, at least to get started. I still use my thumb for spares and started to practice strike shots again with thumb, using a stretched conventional grip. In so many ways it's much easier. If I could have just put my thumb in ball and had even a 220 rev rate with consistent release I would never have switched. If I had my current thumb drilling 5 years ago... even with a 180 rev rate, I may have been happy with that. Ironically, once I stopped shooting strike shots with my thumb, and only needed to get something I could hold for spares... started slowly tweaking things to feel more comfortable with spares. And now my thumb game much better now than it used to be. I bowl a lot of local scratch and sport shot tournaments. 2-handed bowlers while present, are not poised to take over. For a while it seemed that they would. And over time we will see more and eventually on the women's side. But is it really a for sure thing that it's the best way for most people to bowl? I bowl mostly scratch tournaments in NJ. And the really top bowlers I see, are not 2-handers.
Next time you and Phil verses two handed. Loser eats a gumball. Lol, seems impossible to do two handed over fourty... I didn't even start bowling till over fourty.
First thing first, your swing as a 2 hander should not be what creates ball speed, it’s all in your legs. I can throw a 600+ rev rate while not “muscling” the ball whatsoever, thanks to my legs giving me the speed.
I just started bowling In February. I'm 40 years old and I basically started with one hand bowling and just this weekend. I tried two hand bowling and it. It came to be that I feel more comfortable Bowling to handed. The 3 times I went bowling. One-handed, my games were coming out. Just a little over a 100. But with my 2 handed games. I did a lot better and I bowled over 200.
A lot of the two handed bowlers that we see are pretty violent in their approach. I would like to see how they bowl in their 50’s and 60’s. I hurts just watching them. I predict many will have to change their game drastically to continue bowling as a senior. Which is why I’m glad I learned the conventional way
I changed when I turned 60 after 50 years conventionally. I'm still learning (now 64) and averaging 180 but cannot generate regular speed over 14 mph. However, I'm not having to mess with thumb tape etc every other game (frame?) :)
Pretty good effort there, Nick! I'm bowling some with 2 hands, and I also am a certified coach. That's why I'm trying it; I want to be able to at least sympathize with the 2-handers that I coach. I would not recommend the switch for anyboyd over maybe 30 yrs. of age. My main concern is the potential for injuries and pain. Bowling is supposed to be fun, not painful.
while bowling please consider showing a single camera view instead changing between two different views. Lots of missing detail on every video you provide..,
A month ago we bowled a 50 year old guy who had changed to two handed. He is big, probably around 275 pounds. I say to my buddy "since when has he been two handed?" He says less than a year. That night, a month ago, he bowled 800 on the nose. That is when I said maybe I should try two-handed too, but I'm 67. On the other hand I started skiing in 1969 and when snowboarding came out I didn't feel like trying it and never have.
when i hurt my ring and pinky fingers i had to switch to 2 handed for like a month almost, i bowled like 50 undee my average most if the time and my rev rate was insanley uncontrollably high aswell as my ball speed like 4-5 mph slower. i think learning 2 handed from nithing would be easier than switching due to muscle memory an all that stuff but 2 handed bowlers have as much skill as 1 handed bowlers and they work just as hard so i dont really see a problem with it like some pple
I tried it a few times, and for me, I feel too restricted. My hand comes out the ball weird and it's just not for me. But at the same time I feel like a lot of kids start with 2 handed bowling cause they can't hook the ball alot or don't have a good grip on the ball to have the ball hook.
Been a two hander for about 30 years now. Obviously being a two hander means your arm swing is much shorter as it is impossible to get the backswing over your shoulders. So the speed has to be generated from your feet. But as you mentioned that you plant instead of slide; it would be almost impossible to generate ball speed using your feet and if you tried; you are likely to blow your left knee out. I bowled "normal" for 12 years before I converted over and it was by sheer accident. I am now 50 years old and still get it down the lane at 19mph at release and rev rate in the 525 -550 range.
I'm 34 yeara old, and I tried to do two handed in the past. I was horrible at it. I did it for practice. My speed as one hander is 18 to 19 miles. When I tried two hands, my speed was down to 16 to 17. Would I try it again? Sure. Am I against two handers? No, if they comfortable doing it, I say let them do it. My advice for you is just go what you are comfortable with and stick with it. If you want to change it up its your call. That's my advice.
I started bowling when i turned 27. I am 31 now and at first I threw it like TD and did 1 handed no thumb and saw that the pros were throwing 2 handed. My stability went up with the other hand. I didn't have ball speed at first nor forward roll. Learned to use my legs and be much more up the back of it. So I usually play 1st/2nd arrow on most sport shots cuz that's where the 1 handers played and learned off that. You can for sure play closer to the right. Layouts help a ton to have the ball play where you want to. (Edit) Well your 2 handed release looks great :D. Just the timing is going to take a bit if you do switch to get back to your ball speed for 1 handed, and even then it wont reach it unless you run to the line (wouldn't recommend that). I can see you using it if you had to get deep inside or on something (as you mentioned) with a lot of length and volume.
I started bowling one hand thumb out in the 90s. After 20+ years off, I just started back. Now I have to have thumb out balls and thumb in balls. Always shoot spares thumb in so I can make at least half of them.
Thanks for filming yourself go through the motions and thought process of switching. I've tried and failed several times to switch from one handed to two. I haven't even been bowling seriously for a whole year yet and it's still hard to reprogram my brain to change my approach and how I hold the ball. Heck, last night in league I was so jealous of a couple of my opponents throwing two handed a 4mph faster twice the revs. The rack was absolutely exploding! I'm sure I'll give it another try again soon and just hope something clicks.
I'm 52 and also just started bowling 2 handed. I was previously just a recreational bowler, and bowled a lot more when I was growing up, not so much as an adult. I started March 3 this year, and I've thrown well over 20 200+ games (231 PB), and a 627 series.
I switched to 2-handed about 8 months ago and i turned 50 in April. It has been a transition but im so glad i was stubborn enough to stick with it as i am so much more consistant now and have really understood how to adjust speed and rev rate 2-handed. Having a decent spare (plastic) ball is very important also though for those horrible 10 pins as a right hander. Having recently joined a league with my 17 year old son, i can really see the benefits of 2-handed too as i find it much less of an issue with my 50 year old body too lol!
I'm 44 and switched to 2 handed 3 weeks ago and averaging around 200 on sports pattern. I even throw faster and have way more revs compared when I was playing 1 hand. Give it a try, age shouldn't stop you to try to get better 💪
I bowl two handed you don’t have to turn your hand at all just yo yo it at that release come up the back of it the revs are so high it’s gonna hook hard
In my league, there are a few 2 handers that are smooth, Most of them look like they are going to fall down, and they are so far left that they have nowhere to go when the lanes break down.
I'm of the opinion that if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you've been throwing it one-handed since the day you learned to walk, don't change. With that said, I was perfectly content when I was throwing it one-handed for years. It was how I was taught, it was how I knew the game. When I first saw the two-handed style, when Osku made his T.V. debut, I really didn't much of it at the time, and as I saw the style becoming more and more popular over the years, I was starting to see its advantages. I tried it myself, but I decided against switching, because as I mentioned earlier, if there's nothing wrong with your current game don't change. But, that didn't last unfortunately. The years of bowling with a stretched grip took their toll on my tendons in my hand, and I was having serious pain radiating up my arm. I shortened my span four times throughout an entire league season and went from a respectable 215 average to a dismal 185. I tried the two-handed style once again, and to my surprise I was pain free and able to bowl at the intensity I was able to when I was a one-handed bowler. I tried it in league for the first time the following season and shot 268 the first game. From that point on, I've been throwing it two-handed and have never looked back. It was roughly 8 years ago when I made the switch. You can say that two-handed bowling is what saved me from quitting the game. Feels good to bowl with no pain.
I'm 60 and I find it easy.
Due to wrist and shoulder issues I switched from a normal right hand fingertip grip to Sarge Easter Grip in 2017 at 43 years old. Then I switched from 1h righty Sarge Easter to 2H lefty in 2021. It took until 2023 before I was legit pretty good again, and I'm still not back to where I was 1H righty... but I'm getting really close.
You made a double switch so not strange at all. I’m having issues with my right wrist not rotating fully. I just tried 2h this week and have the speed and hook too soon issues . Switching to left hand might be a last resort at age 47
I’m 37 and switched to two handed April ‘22 and never looked back! I played around with it prior and decided to try it as my normal throw after struggling with lower back issues and fighting the thumb (I was surprised how much easier it was the lower back vs traditional!). It’s going to be interesting 10 years from now seeing more people in their 40’s and 50’s throwing 2 handed. It’s also crazy knowing that Walter Ray Williams Jr got a few 300 games throwing 2-handed!
I'm 52 and just started in March, with no problems yet. Just keep in good health and it won't be a problem.
@@jasend8727 since I started almost 2 years ago, by back has never felt better! My company hosts a bowling league and I was hesitant to join because of those issues (my wife convinced me to at least give it a try). I used to have bad spasms and sciatic pain in the legs and it’s been mostly subdued, just a flair-up every now and again. I’ve been crediting bowling as the reason why because it’s keeping my muscles strong and flexible, especially since I developed proper two handed form.
Welcome to the club! Going from one-hand to two-hand reignited my love for the game. I don't think I will ever go back because it's just so fun.
I have exited the club promptly at the close of the video. ✌🏻
Loft is your salvation Nick, and c'mon man , my grandma gets more ball speed than that...and she's been passed for 10 years 😏@@brunsnick
Well 2 finger bowling has been around forever. That's what we did as kids. I'm 44 now so 2 finger bowling 30 years ago wasn't a big deal. I think only 1 pro was successful at it at the time. A few local guys did it. The stability for me was always the problem. Whoever decided to add the other hand in the backswing is a genius cause that corrected the stability issues of bowling with 2 fingers. Generating ball speed will always be the biggest hurdle. Watch early Bella Castillo videos at 11 or 12. Now at 14 she's throwing 18 mph.
Yep, she runs up there, gotta generate with the legs or get that backswing up higher and I just can’t get the ball that high.
I'm 46 and switched last year. I've always had flexibility, but I will have to lift weights if I'm going bowl this way for any kind of long term. The good news is, I have grown my average by 26 pins after switching, so it suits me. Great video!
Old man 2 hander advice,
Lesson 1, learn to throw plastic straight up 2nd arrow for strikes.
Lesson 2 pick up spares.
53 and just switched to two handed. Average is up 14 pins over last season.
I switched to two hands at age 59 because of an injury. You have to use your legs a little more to generate ball speed.
I tried it as well. 46yo... It takes way more work and effort. It's very tough
Funnily enough, I bowled 4 games 2 handed today just to try it. The games went 83, 103, 120, 154. I still have no idea how to control the ball, I just figured out how to roll the spare ball I was using. I'm not going to switch but it was fun!
I switched to 2-handed at 43 and now 46 and have no issues. In fact, it has removed any strain on body I get from 1-handed like wrist etc....and it has allowed me to be more flexible as I get low to the ground etc. My team mate also rolls 2-handed at 47 and we are both 16-17mph - 200+ avg bowlers. I had same issue with speed when I switched.....It isn't arm swing speed that hurts your speed...It's keeping your elbow in, arm tight to body, and letting your feet and whole body throw the ball. I was throwing 13mph no matter how hard I threw it.. Once I tucked in.... my speeds ramped up to 15-16...and now I roll around 16.30 on my cross-lane balls and about 17.10 on my skid-flips. Also, people think 2-handed is how you throw.... nope.. That left hand is your thumb.. It simply holds the ball in your other hand.
I started learning how to bowl last October, and chose to do it two handed (lefty), as I consider myself still athletic lol. I’ve had the slight advantage of not knowing how to bowl at all, so I didn’t need “reprogramming”. It’s been an experience; I’m averaging around 190 in practice, 175 in my first league over the summer, and starting my first fall league Friday. I’m 44 years old. Stretching and Ibuprofen are your friends 😂
I've bowled for 9 years normally and went ,2 handed for ,2 years my avg was 205 then drop to around 190 ish but actually had more high games more often with 2 handed , one thing I learned the most important part of ,2 handed is making sure u keep ur hand up the back of the ball and not to come around it like we know and do with one hand / my ball speed was slower to around 14 or 15 but I was using a black widow 2.0 and if I kept my hand up the back of the ball it didn't over hock and actually went where I needed the ball to go . Felt good but my body didn't like it my chest muscles hurt the next 3 days after league night so I hung it up and went back to one handed
Mikey Pinel and Packy are the guys to consider for advice along with Simo, Kyle and Belmo of course 💯
Don't forgat Chris Via.His style requires less of a "dance move "to get sideways to the lane.
Justin Knowles is probably more accessible than those guys.
@@whitehondarider22 yea a clown that can whoop you 😂🤙🏾
i made the switch at 65 ,went from 14 to a 12 pound ball and i love it. have arthritis my bowling hand so this was a great way to keep bowling ,get a lot more control with a lighter ball
So can you talk a little about what I might expect? I'm 72. In pretty good health. I also throw a 14 at this time.
@@michaelstusiak5902 more ball control and less strain on old body parts
I'm late 60s and have a dog-walking/ tripping/ fall cracked thumb that will take many months to heal. I'm in decent condition, and not a high average one-hander. I just want to bowl again!
@@michaelstusiak5902 yeah, I'm looking at dropping from 14 down to 13 or to 12 if I have to. Broken thumb, but I'm paying for a league I can't bowl in! Two-handed could work.
@@michaelstusiak5902 i think it will take you a few days of practice to get comfortable, like i did. big sky bowler on you tube has a few good training videos that helped me. what i have learned is that i cant do what the pros do so at my age 67 now i just do what's comfortable and have fun . i have about a 150 average cuz shooting spares 2 handed is something ill be working on for some time but i have also shot more 200+ games than i ever did 1 handed
I'm 30 and a beginner, I have been practicing one handed and still do better when I mess around with two handed.
Two handed throws are more difficult. Power comes from the body center of mass, the legs hop, and the slide in the approach. The advantage is that you can go either right hand, left hand, or center release. I could try two handed throws for fun but not for competition yet. Thanks.
I switched in my 20s but still I had played 10+ years seriously with one hand and that's how I learned to bowl too. Took me a long time to relearn but it reignited my passion for the sport and now I'm doing better than I ever was. I could never get the ball to hook as a one hander and always had problems with my thumb getting stuck. Two-handed just suits me better.
I’m interested to throw 2 handed to relieve pressure from my hand.
At the start of summer I messed around and did 5 serious practice games 2 handed. I was getting my ball speed faster by the end but it was definitely a struggle.
My rev rate probably wasn’t wildly different but I was able to adjust my rotation pretty easily since I didn’t have to worry about my thumb clearing, so that was nice.
I felt like my accuracy by the end was actually pretty strong. Without having to worry about the thumb clearing it eliminated one variable that can cause directional screw up.
If I had practice time, I would probably do a transition after 4 or 5 practice sessions and see how it went for a few months.
I am 64 years old and bold for the first time in 20 years. Because of physical limitations had major surgeries that allowed me to bowl this last year. Well, I tried to hand it a month and a 1/2 ago and it did not go well. I felt like a little girl because 0 speed behind it could not get it over 10 miles per hour. No control, no balance that was a short lived thing, two handed career
Just started practicing 2 handed the past 2 months. The rev rate increase is nice but yes I would need another lifetime to get as accurate as one handed. Around 13.5 mph and I won't even try to increase my speed but just keep going for the fun of it. As a Sr it has only affected my middle knuckle, so I will continue until something major goes wrong. You looked pretty smooth. I just throw in a few games when practicing and who knows maybe will use it when I can't get my ball to hook this league season.
Why not try to increase speed. I went from 13.5 to 16 by doing a few things.
Back up on the approach, move faster to the line, push off back foot in slide, and extend arm in transition/downswing.
To keep the track the same, use a larger thumb insert and use the thumb in the ball. I use the same equipment for both. I use the two handed from the third arrow and left, one handed the third arrow and right. I am 65 years old
I'm 40, been bowling for 27 years as a traditional 1 hander and am making the switch this year. Been practicing it for a bit now and recently got a couple balls drilled for 2 hands. After watching a bunch of tip videos on here, I have been able to dial in my footwork and learned how to utilize my off hand for different types of roll. Ball speed is also a lot better than it was when I first started trying it.
Son used to track in fingers. Changed lateral pitch in fingers and moved the track.
You are a good sport giving this a try! I had to stop bowling last year due to back issues and have read that two-handed is harder on the back than one-handed bowling. Anyone with a low back issue should probably not try. Like you correctly say most two-handed bowlers started very young while flexible and learned the technique. Thanks for the video!
Very difficult to teach this old dog a new trick.
Good for you for trying! I switched to two handed at 39 due to a thumb-side wrist injury (after 30 years of bowling one handed). I'm 43 now. Two handed is the only way I've been able to bowl pain free in the last 10 years.
My experience, I was slightly speed dominant one handed. Two handed I became very rev dominant (rev rate increased around 100rpm and the ball speed dropped a bit). I, too, have had difficulty gaining ball speed, but it's getting better a few years later. Can consistently keep my speed in a range from 15mph to around 18mph, depending on what I'm looking for.
The challenge I see now is overcoming all the one handed muscle memory and preventing myself from accidentally reverting back to a one handed approach by accident. Happens maybe 3-4 times per set, but it definitely impacts my scoring when it happens.
Keep up the great content! I always look forward to your latest videos!
I haven't bowled in 2 months I wanted to have a sport shot and I got the 2024 usbc masters oil pattern. I started with my pyramid pathogen and them my iq ruby I bowl 3 good games 189 179 182. Mostly I bowled 150s 160s and I will have a lot of strikes but for some reason I couldn't hit my spares and I'm usually very good at my spares so I don't know what happen to my spare shooting I would try to hit the Middle arrow to hit a 10 pins or 6 pins but just couldn't hit the middle arrow I would just toss it I the gutter id like bowling on the sport pattern I enjoy bowling more on the sport shot then the house shot.
Can you please ask Patrick Hanrahan to visit you and help you out for fun? That would be interesting and entertaining.
I would say two handed best for kids, females, short people and house ball casual bowling. It will kill the sports off from uniqueness, still is a style worth to learn but not something all must converted to.
I am just turned 53 this month and I tried switching from 1 hand to 2 hand 2 years ago. I actually got good at it but was fighting a lower back and knee problems just before I started and that caused me to stop. I was getting better pin action with good ball speed but my injuries stopped me. Now that my injuries are better I think I will try it again. Once I got the steps down it was way easier to focus on my hands to get the ball to react in so many different ways.
This was me this morning. But I was trying to do it at 44 years old and 400lbs
I think the two handed power game is doing to bowling what it did to tennis, pretty much shortening the life span of the competitors to a max of mid 30's.
Competitors will start young and achieve a lot in their prime years, but once the years come on they are pretty much done. The toll on the body is simply too much.
I seriously doubt Belmo or Simo will be winning tournaments in their 50's like Norm or many of the great bowlers of the past were able to or winning the US Open at 49 like Pete Weber did.
Never know! We shall see how they do past 40 soon!
2 handed I easier on your body actually. It's harder on you when you do it wrong. Like using too much spine extension to help create speed.
The key to ball speed when bowling two handed is your legs and the momentum you build in your approach. Relying too much on your arms to throw the ball leads to inconsistency and you will find that you will be very inaccurate throwing with your arms. Like in one handed ball throwing the ball with your arm is bad and good one handed bowlers have a pendulum swing and rely on gravity to power the ball. Eliminating as much upper body movement is the key for accuracy and your legs generate the power. Having a power step such as a hop or shuffle step before release should grant you more ball speed. Footwork is extremely important when bowling two handed and differs a lot from one handed bowling.
I am 37 and switch to 2 handed two years ago so yeah very different and it was felt better for me
I'm on year 2 of the switch and I'm 46. Anyone I've seen switch struggled the first 2 years. You need to give it time for your muscle memory to set in. You can't bail after some bad nights on the lane.
You want to use Symetrical balls on tha LEFT Lane and Asyms that are smooth on tha Right lane. Because you cant get over enough yea yayay ;D
2 handed bowling makes even getting a strike look bad.
Everyone thinks 2 handed is easy *until* they try it 😅
I’m def not everyone.
My problem is ball speed as well. The pros make it look easy. I try to step faster and it throws me all out of whack.
By the way You should have been more in And you will completely on the side of ball when you are throw on the ball
Maximum Bob went 2 handed for a couple years, now he's back to 1 hand and throwing it just about better than ever.
Why would you half heartedly bowl 2 handed? AND not turn on specto? This gives us no help.
This was full send for me 🤷🏻♂️
As per your request...
This is the worst two handed bowling I've ever seen. Maybe stick to wii bowling and never throw two handed on the lanes ever again.
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I don't see myself switching as it would lower my rev rate too much.
It seems that the pros get speed from bending more at the line.
Nick, You didn't give 2-handed much of a try. Ten minutes certainly isn't enough. If I bowled like you, though, I probably wouldn't change either. But I don't bowl like you. LOL. I'm 73 and will be 74 this summer. I've been a one-handed bowler for more than 50 years. During the last few years my 208 average has dropped. It is now 194. I am an up-the-boards low rev player. I bowled a few games a couple summers ago. I wasn't good enough to attempt to bowl leagues with two hands. This summer I am going to give it a better effort. As a life-long athlete, I am planning on practicing all summer (70 games) with the 2-handed approach and release in hopes of creating more revs and power. It will be a waste of time (and money), or a way to get back to bowling scratch leagues again. We'll see.
I gave it the ol’ college try. 😎
Its about technique I see 12year olds and 50 year olds throwing it and reving it faster then this.
Too bad I’m neither of those things.
I can't even picture myself two I feel like I'm be in body cast lol
I'm 56 and tried it. I took an Uber to the ER after my first shot
For real?
@@brunsnick yeah I threw my back out. Not good. I'm sure my form was way off. This was last year. I'm back to one hand obviously. Great video btw!
@@maxxbenzz7842 glad you’re okay! Guess that trial ended right then.
We all know that with three months of solid work on that, you will be exactly where you are with your thumb in it. The difference is in how your thumb feels afterwards.
My thumb was never much of an issue. Even when bowling regionals full time.
@@brunsnick Good for you, but I can't relate with that. Not trying to downplay you. Arthritis started early for me...I'm not trying to challenge you. I like your channel.
I am a 63 two hander. Average is 198.
Bowl a league with 2 hands
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball Brunsnick
DIDN,T DO MUCH FOR YOUR FOREHEAD
Been watching your video clip but it doesn't mention your ball is 15 pound, is it?
Yes
Feel and ball speed have been the two toughest things so far for me.
The problem is you didnt bring the thanos glove haha. As a part time 2 hander at age 45 I’ll tell you its not easy to switch but its not very complex either. But just being good one handed you have to put in the time and reps. Great vid as always. Hope this makes a return 💪🎳
Maybe part 2 with Thanos glove next LOL
5:22 😆 It counts it counts
I'm going to try it (age 35)
There's a few things you can do to make getting speed/accuracy more consistent. One being your timing you don't start your swing until step 4, when you should be entering your swing around the 2nd or 3rd step. Another tip is to suck the ball up into your body instead of trying to pull the ball behind you. -- I've been toying with making the change for the last couple of years, and will be finally making the switch starting this fall season. (Wanted to be able to average 210+ before bringing it to real competition) it makes more sense once the fundamentals are locked in.
I agree. The switch to 2 hands is definitely a process. Going full time with this type of change would take a lot of practice over a substantial amount of time. Hitting to the gym a few times per week benefits everyone with any bowling style. It makes the bowling motions effortless and fluid as compared to forcing the ball downlane and manufacturing ball motion with a weaker body. Good luck with 2 hands this season!
I start mine on 3.. packy starts his on 2. I used to be on 2 but starting it later helped timing. Early timing is death for 2 handers
I did I'm 40
I’m 68 and have played only 16 games two handed with 15 lb and 13 lb balls. The best part of this experiment is I keep the first ball out of the gutter. That is the most important part if the game for me. Secondly less stress on my shoulder and arm. Only more time will tell, but I think in time may keep me bowling longer. Throwing the first ball in the gutter every once in a while during league play when bowling one handed due to loss of arm swing control Is no fun. Two handed if practiced may help with enjoying the sport a little while longer.
I switched from bowling w/ my thumb to without 5 years ago. I made the switch due to some hand issues which make it impossible for me to properly hold the ball with thumb and fingertip grip.
I did not go to 2-handed because simply taking my thumb out of the ball seemed to be an easier transition. It honestly wasn't and has taken a much larger focus on health and fitness off the lanes to get better bowling as I do now.
But bowling 2-handed seemed to require even more flexibility and strength, at least to get started.
I still use my thumb for spares and started to practice strike shots again with thumb, using a stretched conventional grip. In so many ways it's much easier. If I could have just put my thumb in ball and had even a 220 rev rate with consistent release I would never have switched. If I had my current thumb drilling 5 years ago... even with a 180 rev rate, I may have been happy with that. Ironically, once I stopped shooting strike shots with my thumb, and only needed to get something I could hold for spares... started slowly tweaking things to feel more comfortable with spares. And now my thumb game much better now than it used to be.
I bowl a lot of local scratch and sport shot tournaments. 2-handed bowlers while present, are not poised to take over. For a while it seemed that they would. And over time we will see more and eventually on the women's side. But is it really a for sure thing that it's the best way for most people to bowl?
I bowl mostly scratch tournaments in NJ. And the really top bowlers I see, are not 2-handers.
Next time you and Phil verses two handed. Loser eats a gumball. Lol, seems impossible to do two handed over fourty... I didn't even start bowling till over fourty.
First thing first, your swing as a 2 hander should not be what creates ball speed, it’s all in your legs. I can throw a 600+ rev rate while not “muscling” the ball whatsoever, thanks to my legs giving me the speed.
I just started bowling In February. I'm 40 years old and I basically started with one hand bowling and just this weekend. I tried two hand bowling and it. It came to be that I feel more comfortable Bowling to handed. The 3 times I went bowling. One-handed, my games were coming out. Just a little over a 100. But with my 2 handed games. I did a lot better and I bowled over 200.
I'm 43... I'm not going 2handed. The kids can kick my ass, whatever. I'm just going to bowl the best I can
A lot of the two handed bowlers that we see are pretty violent in their approach. I would like to see how they bowl in their 50’s and 60’s. I hurts just watching them. I predict many will have to change their game drastically to continue bowling as a senior. Which is why I’m glad I learned the conventional way
Wow. I'm 72 and wanted to switch to 2H after not bowling for a long time. You brought up some definite concerns. I still want to try, but .....
I changed when I turned 60 after 50 years conventionally. I'm still learning (now 64) and averaging 180 but cannot generate regular speed over 14 mph. However, I'm not having to mess with thumb tape etc every other game (frame?) :)
Where is your studio located? Do you coach?
The studio is at Brunswick HQ, I do not do coaching or training.
I switch to two handed in my 50's. Its been a process for sure but its capable just don't have too lofty expectations at first.
Pretty good effort there, Nick! I'm bowling some with 2 hands, and I also am a certified coach. That's why I'm trying it; I want to be able to at least sympathize with the 2-handers that I coach. I would not recommend the switch for anyboyd over maybe 30 yrs. of age. My main concern is the potential for injuries and pain. Bowling is supposed to be fun, not painful.
while bowling please consider showing a single camera view instead changing between two different views. Lots of missing detail on every video you provide..,
Why don't we see sarge Easter 2 handing?
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A month ago we bowled a 50 year old guy who had changed to two handed. He is big, probably around 275 pounds. I say to my buddy "since when has he been two handed?" He says less than a year. That night, a month ago, he bowled 800 on the nose. That is when I said maybe I should try two-handed too, but I'm 67. On the other hand I started skiing in 1969 and when snowboarding came out I didn't feel like trying it and never have.
Tried it back in the early nineties, didn't care for it. Threw one gametwo handed last week and shot 230. Hmmmm🤔
when i hurt my ring and pinky fingers i had to switch to 2 handed for like a month almost, i bowled like 50 undee my average most if the time and my rev rate was insanley uncontrollably high aswell as my ball speed like 4-5 mph slower. i think learning 2 handed from nithing would be easier than switching due to muscle memory an all that stuff but 2 handed bowlers have as much skill as 1 handed bowlers and they work just as hard so i dont really see a problem with it like some pple
I tried it a few times, and for me, I feel too restricted. My hand comes out the ball weird and it's just not for me. But at the same time I feel like a lot of kids start with 2 handed bowling cause they can't hook the ball alot or don't have a good grip on the ball to have the ball hook.
I switched at 45. As a 1 hander I had zero ability to put any revs. Now with 2 hands, speed is down but it's much more fun.
Been a two hander for about 30 years now. Obviously being a two hander means your arm swing is much shorter as it is impossible to get the backswing over your shoulders. So the speed has to be generated from your feet. But as you mentioned that you plant instead of slide; it would be almost impossible to generate ball speed using your feet and if you tried; you are likely to blow your left knee out. I bowled "normal" for 12 years before I converted over and it was by sheer accident. I am now 50 years old and still get it down the lane at 19mph at release and rev rate in the 525 -550 range.
I'm 34 yeara old, and I tried to do two handed in the past. I was horrible at it. I did it for practice. My speed as one hander is 18 to 19 miles. When I tried two hands, my speed was down to 16 to 17. Would I try it again? Sure. Am I against two handers? No, if they comfortable doing it, I say let them do it. My advice for you is just go what you are comfortable with and stick with it. If you want to change it up its your call. That's my advice.
I throw 19.7 , with 479 rpm. One handed is just fine for me. Some folks lack the strength I get it.
I started bowling when i turned 27. I am 31 now and at first I threw it like TD and did 1 handed no thumb and saw that the pros were throwing 2 handed. My stability went up with the other hand. I didn't have ball speed at first nor forward roll. Learned to use my legs and be much more up the back of it. So I usually play 1st/2nd arrow on most sport shots cuz that's where the 1 handers played and learned off that. You can for sure play closer to the right. Layouts help a ton to have the ball play where you want to.
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Well your 2 handed release looks great :D. Just the timing is going to take a bit if you do switch to get back to your ball speed for 1 handed, and even then it wont reach it unless you run to the line (wouldn't recommend that). I can see you using it if you had to get deep inside or on something (as you mentioned) with a lot of length and volume.
I started bowling one hand thumb out in the 90s. After 20+ years off, I just started back. Now I have to have thumb out balls and thumb in balls. Always shoot spares thumb in so I can make at least half of them.
Thanks for filming yourself go through the motions and thought process of switching. I've tried and failed several times to switch from one handed to two. I haven't even been bowling seriously for a whole year yet and it's still hard to reprogram my brain to change my approach and how I hold the ball. Heck, last night in league I was so jealous of a couple of my opponents throwing two handed a 4mph faster twice the revs. The rack was absolutely exploding! I'm sure I'll give it another try again soon and just hope something clicks.
I'm 52 and also just started bowling 2 handed. I was previously just a recreational bowler, and bowled a lot more when I was growing up, not so much as an adult. I started March 3 this year, and I've thrown well over 20 200+ games (231 PB), and a 627 series.
I switched to 2-handed about 8 months ago and i turned 50 in April.
It has been a transition but im so glad i was stubborn enough to stick with it as i am so much more consistant now and have really understood how to adjust speed and rev rate 2-handed. Having a decent spare (plastic) ball is very important also though for those horrible 10 pins as a right hander.
Having recently joined a league with my 17 year old son, i can really see the benefits of 2-handed too as i find it much less of an issue with my 50 year old body too lol!
I'm 44 and switched to 2 handed 3 weeks ago and averaging around 200 on sports pattern. I even throw faster and have way more revs compared when I was playing 1 hand. Give it a try, age shouldn't stop you to try to get better 💪
I bowl two handed you don’t have to turn your hand at all just yo yo it at that release come up the back of it the revs are so high it’s gonna hook hard
I got into 2 handed bowling less than 1 year ago and the thing i'm struggling the most is ball speed, i'm working on foot speed to try and increase it
In my league, there are a few 2 handers that are smooth, Most of them look like they are going to fall down, and they are so far left that they have nowhere to go when the lanes break down.
I switched at 51 and haven't looked back. Lot less hand issues since switching.
YOU ALREADY have tha ULTIMATE WEAPON at tha Start of tha Game lmao hahaha ;D
All the speeds from moving your legs as fast as possible.
Add surface to the ball with that layout. It will calm it down.
Frustrating at times yes, but I like it because it's fun.
Im a 68 yr old 2 hander with 200 avg
lol move left
if you have a 200 avg no need to switch
I'm of the opinion that if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you've been throwing it one-handed since the day you learned to walk, don't change. With that said, I was perfectly content when I was throwing it one-handed for years. It was how I was taught, it was how I knew the game. When I first saw the two-handed style, when Osku made his T.V. debut, I really didn't much of it at the time, and as I saw the style becoming more and more popular over the years, I was starting to see its advantages. I tried it myself, but I decided against switching, because as I mentioned earlier, if there's nothing wrong with your current game don't change. But, that didn't last unfortunately. The years of bowling with a stretched grip took their toll on my tendons in my hand, and I was having serious pain radiating up my arm. I shortened my span four times throughout an entire league season and went from a respectable 215 average to a dismal 185. I tried the two-handed style once again, and to my surprise I was pain free and able to bowl at the intensity I was able to when I was a one-handed bowler. I tried it in league for the first time the following season and shot 268 the first game. From that point on, I've been throwing it two-handed and have never looked back. It was roughly 8 years ago when I made the switch. You can say that two-handed bowling is what saved me from quitting the game. Feels good to bowl with no pain.
Awesome!