Janthir Wilds! - GW2 Expansion Story & Lore Playthrough - Part 9
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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As someone that hasn't played GW1 and knows only a small amount of the lore from that game the JW story has still been very coherent and adds new lore to what little I knew already. HOWEVER it's streams like yours that contextualise this added lore and place it into the world in a deeper and more meaningful way. Knowing nothing and playing through the JW story myself I didn't feel lost at all, it's very well written even for those of us with little previous Janthir story experience.
Agree, as someone who never played GW1, the moment with the flame legion charr at the Sanguine Crater wasn't lost on me, GW2 gave enough context. And for people who are completely new to the game, I feel like the vibes are still there (sad stuff with the cub, creepy twins, imposing silhouette of a mursaat, self-aware ghost).
@@navyt9862 Glad to read stuff like this! It's hard to 'predict' how newer players experience this story.
Fun fact: The TV Show Person of Interest has a character called John Greer, who works for a corporation called Decima Technologies. I think someone at Anet must be a fan...
That's so funny!
These streams should be renamed "An Isgarren Apologist's Tour of Janthir Wilds!"
Heheh.
I know it's a joke but I feel like a pretty good compromise has been reached by all the conversations about Isgarren's character over the series haha
@@battlebots1 It feels like some people are being overly defensive of Isgarren. I understand why, we rarely have characters like him, but still. That person at 00:40:26 “I hope Anet writes him as an old being whose morality escapes him”. But that’s exactly what they’ve been doing, this is the impression I’ve consistently got from him since SotO. “I hope to see the commander’s humanity clash…” And that’s exactly what’s happening during Alliance meetings, we have a room full of people whose humanity is clashing with Isgarren’s age and experience, but for some reason some players see this as a personal attack against him. When Waiting Sorrow throws remarks on how controlling he is and that he’ll yank her soul out of her or something, imo it’s not because Anet tries to paint him as a bad guy, it’s because Sorrow knows she broke the “contract” which was her ascension. Isgarren didn’t get into huge troubles with his own kin, practically exiling himself, just for her to frolic in the woods with no care for the rest of the world. He saved her and gave her immense power, but no sane person would allow that power to go unchecked. Of course he has to keep tabs on ascended wizards, there’s no way around that, no matter how suffocating it’s for them. Some cope better than the others, that is all. Everything about characters’ reaction to Isgarren makes 100% sense to me, and I’ve yet to see anyone actively villainize him.
12:45 - Valravn Event Dialogue (Cryptid Chase Achievement)
16:22 - Malice dialogue (story)
19:32 - Tales of the Lowland Wisps (Achievement Started)
24:50 - Cryptid Chase Achievement Continues
37:20 - QnA
57:48 - Cool In-game NPC Dialogue (still in QnA)
1:35:40 - Main Story Continues
2:43:20 - Map Meta
3:01:54 - Build a Quiggles (Achievement Unlocked)
3:11:05 - Main Story Continues
Hey WP!
In case you missed it. If you go to the Lowland Shore and south from Harvest Plots point of interest, next to the Mastery Point there is a Bearking with some cubs sitting at the bonfire and telling the backstory of Kodans after Waiting Sorrow left them and how they ended up in the Lowland Shore/Orr.
in reference to the vision where you see the White Mantle ghost talking to the Mursaat ghost, keep in mind: They're called the unseen ones, not the unheard ones. I imagine the White Mantle thought he was praying and hearing a disembodied "godlike" voice.
I like how Waiting Sorrow references Koda directly, even with her knowledge amd thousands of years of experience. Really solidifies that Koda is a very real and powerful Mista entity.
I just hope that we continue this thread and he's still some sort of bear deity tied to Tyria - not just some demon messing around with Kodan minds or something. I dont normally like escalation of power, but that idea you mentioned of Koda as a great spirit on the same level as Soo-Won got me excited.
I think a big part of why there's so much more "connections" on the side lore now is because they KNOW they'll be doing GW2 for longer, so planning is a lot more thought out.
2:12:16 I think they wanted to silence Rhea? Saul left her in charge, but when things started going sour, she was trying to send a letter to Saul (one of the unsent letters you found), so they silenced her before she could. That's how I interpreted it anyway.
WP Caithe stole the egg!! I started screaming when it happened, haha! OMG it was so scary at the time!
Interesting little tidbit: I noticed that at the start of the JW story, if you're an Ash legion charr you get your first mail from Malice, other legions get it from Crecia. And once you get to the Black Citadel you also meet with Malice rather than Crecia. As far as I know it's the only race with differences depending on backstory choices. I don't know if there's any other changes elsewhere in the story, I just noticed it on the wikipage for this step (and went to add dialogue for non-Ash charr as it was missing) See the "Prologue: The Tyrian Alliance" page.
There's not too much extra info there though, but might be worth seeing if there's any more Ash legion-specific dialogue from Malice elsewhere in the expac. Might reveal something more about her following us to Janthir?
On the PvP thing: They said in their stream that they haven't put a lot of resources in yet, it's basically a proof of concept type thing and part of the "beta" (more of a pre alpha really) is to gauge whether it is worth it to put serious dev resources into the mode. So if you think it's a waste of resources you should communicate that clearly, since they are specifically asking for feedback on it.
Yes, I think even the "minimal" work they've already put in is a waste of resources.
Edit: I wrote this before you read the comment with a similar theory. Hopefully it still has some fun ideas!
Regarding Caudecus' white mantle in janthir: maybe I'm way off base here, but my assumption, because the side story objective said they were separated from caudecus, was that this group of white mantle doesn't even know the minister is dead at all. I picture it like this:
They lose track of caudecus, and continue their mission waiting for word from the mainland. Unknown to them, caudecus is killed and the war is over. Janthir is remote, so no word ever makes it to the team on the isles (it's possible no one who knew they were there is even still alive). Like good and loyal followers, they kept to their orders and searched the isles.
Now I think they eventually found bava nisos, and to something bad was woken up in the process. Could be titans, or something that attracted titans. The team could still be alive, but I think it's possible they died poking around the mursaat ruins. Either way, I believe they carried out their orders to a fault and unintentionally set something nasty in motion on the isles.
The idea of Asura and Dwarves having a rivalry or conflict almost makes me want the Dwarves to buddy up with Cantha somehow to drive the Arcane Council more bonkers LOL.
I would absolutely love to see the idea of competition (friendly or otherwise) between Asura and Cantha continue into a future Depths and/or Cantha expansion. Something about the shady/catty dialogue between Ludo and Ihn was just so fun.
00:54:13 It was Eparch who turned Nayos into a complete shithole, Tyrian mursaat actively wanted to return there. Adding more from Mabon: "Well, it's likely my own bias, but if we were exiled to Tyria as punishment... Then perhaps the demon realm possesses something better than this?" After the exile Eparch hasn't expressed any sentiments about Tyria as a pretty world to peacefully live in, in all notes and memories he was only obsessed with getting power and making Isgarren “beg before his resplendence”. During the first major attack on the tower, when Vass and Akeem were killed, there was this dialogue. Isgarren: "This place does not belong to you. Tyria belongs to no one! They've bowed to selfish deities for far too long." Eparch: "You refuse to harness its power, but you can feel it. I know you can, Isgarren." Just a personal opinion, of course. Also, I find it kinda ironic how while mursaat were locked out of Nayos, a single seer and some demons were opening portals there willy-nilly since at least 635 BE (definitely earlier in case of Isgarren when he exiled Eparch).
Btw I’ve been a bit puzzled why a mursaat High Researcher Darda from GW2 shares their name with some dolyak boss Darda Goldenchief from Ice Caves of Sorrow mission in GW1. First time reading the note from the researcher (Researcher's Record in Syntri) I thought it was weird to have a name so similar to another major NPC (Dagda), and then I stumbled upon the dolyak boss… Anet, why🤣
For the ED 'asleep' just meant that their bodies were dormant. Their minds were still active so, Mordremoth could easily have controlled the vines with his mind.
On the pineapple tangent: it's very common in south Brazil to roast pineapplea covered in cinnamon when doing barbecues. You eat it as a desert of sorts, not only is very tasty but helps with digestion (assuming that you ate a lot of barbecue and stuff)
I had hoped Malice would contribute a unique perspective to Janthir Wilds, but she really doesn't. At the second Tyrian Alliance meeting, she gave an excuse about how she was irrational and emotional when it came to the vote, how it was unbecoming of an imperator. Only... nothing she's done has been like an imperator. If she didn't "feel" like tagging along, we could get some serious conversation time with Caithe when we first touch down in Janthir. We could talk about what she really thinks is happening to the Pale Tree, open up about us missing Aurene at the start of Secrets (leading us to feeling purposeless, and therefore an easy recruit for the Astral Ward), or ask if she ever thinks about Zojja. I feel like if there was ever a way to summarize for returning players (who may not have played SotO, sigh) how we got from the Gyala epilogue to Janthir, it would be with that conversation with Caithe.
Instead, we get a third wheel in Malice, whose dialogue is so plain she may as well be a new character created for JW. Ember or Crecia would've worked just as well if we wanted a headstrong charr's perspective (granted Crecia seems extremely busy, but Malice should be too). Bangar and Smodur (and Crecia?) were on another level as imperators. To me, Malice used to feel like that, but that's because we barely got to know her. From a distance, she looked like an imperator, precisely *because* she was distant from us. Now that we're buddies, she's just another adventurer. I like Efram too, and Malice isn't as softspoken as he is, but I feel like he eclipses her as a leader. Should I feel that way about the Ash imperator? Is she meant to be inconspicuous in her personality too? Invisible?
Watching WP play through the bloodstone crater story instance, I actually found myself wanting Marjory's input, not Malice's. Unlike Malice, she would've pressed for more answers from the charr ghost, and her dialogue has that bit of film noir, private investigator type of zest to it. In contrast, Malice is just so... milquetoast. I'm worried that she's being squandered at the moment, but I have faith that the devs have plans for her later, given how good they've been at weaving threads of other stories into Janthir.
Also, that ambient ghost dialogue was really cool! In response to the idea that Saul was the only one to see or communicate with the mursaat, I'd like to point out that the open world mursaat ghost and Manikaz were pretty adamant that they not be disturbed. The unnamed mursaat in particular was pissed off! If they really cared so much about powering the bloodstone that they'd seemingly sacrifice their own kind to it, then I feel confident in saying that a mortal human bothering The Blood Phenom (TM) with a silly little question like "Why?" would be a death sentence. Therefore, only Saul could get away with it. But maybe the mursaat didn't sacrifice themselves to the bloodstone... maybe the first titans killed them on it, the way Hablion was killed on the Maguuma bloodstone by his enemies.
And now I have to wonder whether a mursaat who had split into aspects could resurrect if part of them lay trapped in a bloodstone. Could large parts of Manikaz be in Bava Nisos? In the Wizard's Tower?
EDIT: I hate to make this comment six pages long but I found this fascinating. I don’t think Bava Nisos will be an anagram of anything, and I’d be perfectly happy to be wrong. But I remembered some useless trivia that is unknown to most people. Bhavagra (there are different ways in which it is spelled, so you may see others if you look into it) is a Buddhist and Hindu idea that’s basically a step above nirvana. “Bhava” means “existence,” something physical and material, while “agra” means “superior.” Together, it means “highest point above the material world,” a state of enlightenment at the end of your religious path, even higher than nirvana. Where nirvana is letting go of your mortal, worldly desires, bhavagra (as I understand it) is to having neither thoughts, nor having no thoughts. You beat the system, basically. (Peitha? Can Kryptis let go of their physical urges? If the mursaat are Kryptis, doesn't it seem like they let go?)
The same word “bhava” (I know it’s got an “H” that isn’t in Bava Nisos but that could just be devs making the name prettier) can also refer to creation, origins, rebirth and resurrections, which are *huge themes* regarding the Astral Ward and the mursaat as a species.
Nisos, on the other hand, is Greek for “island.” Not a whole lot of digging involved in that, I know, but I’m pretty damn convinced that Bava Nisos, or “island of the physical world/creation” has some connection to the Wizard’s Tower. I’d be a little disappointed if they turn out to be the same thing, and I know I’m down a rabbit hole, but I wanted to put it out there. And there’s a lot of religious symbolism already present thanks to the White Mantle, so even if Bava Nisos turns out to be just a name with no hidden meanings, maybe we can infer White Mantle beliefs about it, or possible sources of inspiration the devs took.
I’m loving the videos and the discussions, and your enthusiasm for the lore is infectious, WP!
@@tannerkalka I’m definitely out of the GW2 loop, but I wonder if one of the Elder Dragons might get resurrected with the potential reincarnation themes? (Im so out of the loop I don’t even know if there are any left)
Sort of purifying themselves of their corrupt aspects. The elder dragons live on cycles beyond humans, what if their are other cycles beyond the elder dragons?
@@pointfrogg I always liked the idea of Zhaitan coming back for revenge, being the Elder Dragon of undeath and all. However, since he and the other dragons are dead and absorbed by Aurene, there's really no way for them to return unless the Astral Ward made a fractal containing an Elder Dragon. Fractals open the door to endless possibilities, and it pretty much becomes the death of storytelling if you use something like that without consequences.
Speaking of the death of storytelling, I don't think the writers want the dragons to return themselves. We've been fighting them for ten years, in universe and out (since the GW2 patches are contemporaneous with our own passage of time. That's not the right word, but... I'm trying to explain that a week passes in Tyria every seven days in our world, you know?) End of Dragons was meant to be the, uh... end of the dragons. And it is, at least until a rogue faction decides they want to stop the "next Elder Dragon rising" by trying to kill Aurene while she sleeps or something.
Purifying another dragon, if another one were to exist, is kinda moot by now, no? We have Aurene, having fully replaced Soo-Won as the modulator of magic for the entire world and ended the dragon cycle. I'm not sure what you mean by "other cycles beyond the elder dragons." Like, the dragons wake up every 10,000 years to consume magic, but what if something wakes up every 1,000,000 years to consume dragons? Is that what you mean?
With that open world ghost dialog, the mursaat asks: "Does Saul want us to wither into nothing? Were the mursaat consuming souls or bloodstone?
re: new pvp mode.
they've been pretty clear that the new mode exists specifically to ease people into conquest because the barrier to entry is just too high. making it so that you only have to focus on a single capture point allows you to actually learn how to fight without worrying about objective play or anything else
"Of Mist and Monsters" is a giant middle finger to vanity projects like SC, MB, and HS since the win state is "stay alive even if you are unable to do max DPS." The builds on those sites are "Max DPS for the environment and no situational utility."
2:23 "The Bloodbath" fractal, where we will see all these people die on the bloodstone and it being absorbed right after or something. That would be nice, maybe a hint of how Gavris looked like.
Agreed about the bosses. But this is technically supposed to be a world boss. Zojja dying in the Convergeances definitely adds tension lol
Yeah in hindsight I guess my thought about Joko doesn't really make sense. When I started writing that thought out I was more thinking that the Halloween Joko stuff somewhat proofed that he was really dead, then I morphed that into a thought about them having done it too much since while writing it I figured out that the Halloween thing didn't really proof anything. But no, you're pretty right that the constant teasing can make it more compelling to finally have him come back for real. And the other comment about Joko did think of a few good ideas, with the whole magic seeping out thing.
Ah well, they were just random thoughts I quickly jotted down, glad you enjoyed the other thoughts though! Didn't expect you to read all that, or even highlight more than just one of them!
Regarding the PvP discussion at 1:32:45 (ish). Yeah, I'm also a bit disappointed.
In my mind, conquest is not super difficult to understand -- especially not when compared to LoL and DotA. I would argue it's even easier to jump into than fortnight. The buildcraft at the start is a nightmare for new players and the difference in skill level between newbies and veterans is *insane*, but every other modern PvP game has solved these issues and there are a number of ways Anet could start tackling them as well.
I understand that the point of "Push" is to teach people the basics of teamfighting so they can bring that experience to Conquest. Maybe that will work. But it really seems to me that the "right" way to do this is to create a better PvP progression system. LoL does this. GW1 does this. I don't know why Anet consistently struggles at implementing core features to onboard new players.
Yeah and we already have so many "onboarding" features as it is. Hotjoins, rumble pits, WvW, GH arenas. Adding "push" to the list won't do anything. Gw2's gameplay is messy and uninspired in these raw deathmatch modes in the first place. It'll leak, and it'll be a waste of time.
@@WoodenPotatoes 100% right. Different game modes should not count as onboarding. We need some proper systems.
I would love to hear your thoughts on what could actually "save" GW2 PvP.
Wasn't Tarir literally the golden city, as was teased all the way back in season 2, which was also a reference to the golden city of el dorado.
It was, which is why I think Bava Nisos will be a golden city only in name, it will look a lot different from Tarir.
At this pace I might earn myself the title of a raving madman with my speculations and ideas, but WHAT IS the Heart of the Obscure? What if it's a literal heart? What if it's Isgarren's heart, and that's why he seems to be empty? Seers made bloodstones, the Heart can interact with bloodstones in an interesting way. This's ridiculous but I've gotta share it and run off.
I get the impression that Anet is carefully planting many lore seeds for future content (not necessarily in the immediate future). For example it seems like we have a pretty good idea of where the maps for JW will be, but I think the mentions of Orr are setting up future content where we go to an as-yet unexplored area of Orr and find traces of Kodan. I certainly wouldn't mind another Kodan focused expansion, perhaps further exploring the rift between Higland and Lowland Kodan which I'm assuming happened thousands of years ago, perhaps during the last Dragon uprising or even a prior one. It seems like it happened around the formation of the Astral Ward, perhaps shortly after Mabon and Isgarren buddied up, do we have a specific timeline for that? I also like where you're going with the Sylvari origins, could be really cool.
I was thinking the same thing! It's good to make some new mysteries as the old ones like the Wizard's Tower get revealed, so those threads can be for future expansions or the much anticipated/dreaded GW3. The number of hints at Orr is pretty staggering now. There's the Claw who led their kodan there, the bad blood between the kodan that sank with Orr, Legavo, Khilbron and the titans, the Tyrian Alliance intention to discuss who should claim Orr, and the Constructs of Galdra being in Abaddon's Reliquary. Did I miss any? Not counting the Mouth of Zhaitan theory because, while I think it would be cool, it isn't concrete.
Oh yeah, and don't Valravn Knights look like Risen Knights? Is that just a consequence of them sharing a name and harpy model, or were there valravns alongside the kodan we also have no physical evidence of?
VOD watching at approximately 40:00. There's a discussion about it being odd that the Charr would be regretful for the Searing. The discussion sort of equates the searing with any other act of war, but I think it's much more on par with dropping the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. It would be perfectly reasonable for leaders in Charr society to be regretful of that action, warlike society or no.
I want to dispel or at least call into question this idea that "mini expacs" were supposed to be smaller self contained stories. I understand the logic in that but I don't remember Janet ever saying anything of the sort. As far as I remember this is a notion that WP started and kinda ran with.
Anyway I have a fun theory regarding the white mantle guys that Caudecus left behind in Janthir trying to get to Bava Nisos. I doubt it'll come true but it's so captivating to me I can't get it out of my head.
The idea we have now is that the group were trying to get there but couldn't because of Mabon's ward, and that that might've changed once Mabon died. But what if the opposite happened? Like maybe SOMEHOW they made it through, around the time of Caudecus's death, and they found the city. But after getting in, they had no way of getting out. They were forced to live in the abandoned mursaat city all these years with no communication with the outside world, maybe holding out hope that Caudecus would eventually come back for them. THEN when Mabon died and his ward came down, they were finally able to leave and learn what'd become of the White Mantle, and probably were not happy about it.
But if they got to spend all that time in the city, enough to make it their own... maybe when we finally find the city we realize if we want to get in, we'll have to contend with whatever defenses it has (jade constructs, cannons, ether towers, whatever else), controlled not by mursaat but by this White Mantle vestige group who had been holed up in there for years. It's also not hard to imagine in this case that while living in Bava Nisos they would've come in contact with ancient mursaat relics, artifacts, weapons, and so on, and grown incredibly powerful as a result.
I love the idea but it does hinge on the fact that they had to somehow been able to break through Mabon's ward. If there'd been any sort of clue or indication that maybe Mabon's ward came down temporarily long ago or something...
Hi WP,
I love your enthusiasm with the new expac.
Something I have been thinking about regarding a discussion a few episodes ago:
Players have to be conditioned to expect certain things. By doing that games attract certain playerbases.
Dark Souls really is the perfect example - it kills you from minute one and by doing that it tells players: "If you're not into that, get out."
FF14 tells its players immediately: "Get ready to watch some cutscenes and enjoy the lore."
GW2 has been flip-flopping in what it tells its players to expect. Players can never really be sure what they can invest themselves in. Is GW2 a PvP game? Is it a story game? Is it about endgame PvE? The only thing we have really had consistently from day one is exploration.
This shifting in focus makes it really difficult to build a consistent playerbase of likeminded people. I hope GW2 finds its stride with the mini-expacs and can consistently provide the playerbase with similar experiences.
You're correct. To exacerbate this, gw2 split its playerbase and sicced these factions (story/open world/rp vs pvp/wvw vs dungeons/fractals/raids) on each other by only focusing on one aspect of the game for a long, long time with no transparency that other gamemodes will ever get any love.
I feel like a couple of the short stories just fall off when you complete them almost hinting that they'll continue them in further releases.
1:16:50 Rata Novus is being used again and it is all around in that Maguma area xD, there is something it the wooooaater.. coooooo~
I also think it’s weird during the bloodstone instance, all the other ghosts disappear after you’ve talked to them, besides the twins….
Also the voice actor for Malakaz is someone I’ve never heard before and quite good, I wonder if they have more set up for him, whatever it is I don’t know.
Making subgroups and such is unneeded for it. What is needed is that people need to stop inspecting the floor so often. Every Power DPS with high Fury uptime should run Relic of Zakiros if they can. Dodging the big AoEs, etc, etc. You know, the things people never do because they've been told it's all about the damage.
I actually wonder if the "ten years" from the Charr ghost was a mistake by whoever is writing the story, but meant to reference when we're playing the game.
There's been a few mentions of ten years during this expansion's story which are meant to echo the duration of the game irl -- for example, Hellie (the NPC who we collected A History Most Violent for) remarking that the letter to Caudecus was less than ten years old.
I wonder if someone got mixed up about where the Charr was meant to be in the lore, but him saying "Ten more years and this one will be done" is maybe meant to refer to now, when we're playing the game -- for some reason the world is at stake now, due to the titans or other --?
Saul probably tried to work out a deal where the Mursaat would use the Charr as sacrifices/soul batteries.
With the "Willow's weaving thread" thing they're talking about the tapestry-weaving Bearkin from the earlier story steps who made that one bed pattern with the twin stars - Patient Willow. As for the fractals, while it was never made clear... there WAS A Garrenhoff fractal that blew out into the sky off the Horn of Maguuma, and it needed a population. Maybe that's part of how Rata Novus finally fell, too - it wasn't necessarily JUST the Chak taking people away.
You're right about Willow's thread, but I think you missed something about the Skywatch fractals. The mayor of Garenhoff is both in Kessex wondering where the tower went and also in Skywatch helping to evacuate his people. And I'm pretty sure Zinn was recorded in Draconis Mons blaming the failure of Rata Novus specifically on the chak infestation eating his people and not mysterious disappearances that he only thought were chak.
So Isgarren wasn't kidnapping people, that was just what the residents of Garenhoff thought since they saw people go in but never saw anyone leave the tower. He was recruiting those who had lost their way in society. The Astral Ward is full of outcasts and people without a place to go back to, like Frode (village burned down I think), Mabon (last of his kind), Isgarren himself (scorned by Sidony), Waiting Sorrow (left her people to try to escape madness), Eparch (alone, lost in Maguuma), Zojja (felt alone, Rata Sum treated her like old hat), and even the Commander (feeling purposeless without the Dragon Cycle). And I'm sure there are several others I don't recall.
A few streams ago you wanted a reminder to talk about some idea you had for Guilds and the Wizard's Vault. I guess a screenshot reminder might work better than messages in chat 😅
You know with the connections you mentioned again about Malyck's tree it made me consider with all the rifts if Malyck could have been from an entirely different realm? I know there shouldnt have rifts all over in core tyria timeline, but if you look at the story he said his pod drifted down the Ullen River. The interesting thing about that is the river circles the Thermanova Reactor which is covered in rifts and ripped holes in reality, so whos to say he didnt get sucked out of his realm and dumped into Tyria?
Taking that even furtther if we ignore the reactor and just think about it. How did Epoch even land in Maguuma? Did the same thing that happened to Epoch happen to Malik?
I think Malice is here specifically to giver her some more screentime in preparation for the upcoming Bangar Trial / Khan-Ur expansion. ("Cogs of War 2" as you said)
There will definitely be some conflict between Crecia and Malice, we already saw that while they respect and like each other, they do not see eye to eye on big questions and would probably have quite a different leadership style.
If / when we get the Khan-Ur story, it would be kinda cool to be able to influence the outcome similar to the Lions Arch election in Season 1. Although I doubt ANet would go for that.
Also, do we know who leads the Iron Legion after Smodur's death? I don't think I heard anything about a new Imperator.
Regarding the spirit of the mursaat speaking to the white mantle spirit, I imagine it's possible the mursaat was invisible at the time and we can only see him because he's dead now?
Do you think this new lore about the valravens evolving from gfiffins into harpies will come back later? I know it was a minor thing but they did mention dzlana in this expansion and i wonder if they will go into the harpy evolution in the next expansion. There is also mention of orr and all ther weird harpy like monsters around the god shrines and stuff.
The twins silenced Rhea
Could the "Ten more years" be related to when the Elder Dragons were originally supposed to begin awakening? The Searing took place in 1070 AE and Eye of the North took place in 1078 AE, so it's close. The extra two years could be explained by Primordus awakening slightly early due to Abaddon's death, or maybe it would have taken two years for the rest of the Elder Dragons to wake up, or maybe that guy didn't have an exact date and was just rounding off. Regardless, it sounded to me like they were *fleeing* an apocalypse, not causing one, and the world almost ended at around that time.
Yeah, nice observation. Fleeing the Elder Dragons makes the most sense, honestly. They have annihilated countless civilizations through countless cycles (something that I find less intuitive to believe after EoD, somehow I can take the dragons less seriously after that). But it's true that they were impossibly ancient and have "ended" the world many times over. I am not sure that this Charr should have been aware of the dragons, though. But maybe he was privy to special Titan knowledge, and if Titans are forged from souls, some of these souls would have known about the Dragon Cycle.
Just random possibility that hit me in the shower. What if GW3 is Utopia - its not land on Tyria, but another planet we move to after Tyria is destroyed at the end of gw2 lifecycle.
To me, it makes more sense to let it be Tyria once again, simply because then they have an entire world that already exists and can play with that. Coming up with an entirely new planet is a much greater creative challenge than having a world and finding ideas as to how it might have changed in 100+ years. It's also throwing away a lot of potential if we are being honest. That is not to say there isn't potential in devising a new world, of course.
Also, GW2 will likely run as long as it possibly can (many decades, if no grand disaster occurs). So having it be destroyed at the end of the last story update would massively alienate the playerbase, and having it only be destroyed when the servers shut down means GW3 may be 40+ years away. ^^
2:19:36 - Hey thanks for these streams. I am kinda new to the game (3 years new) and have never played gw1.
To answer your question, Yes, It was all gobbledygook to me. I don't know who Sidony is/was or who that Mursaat leader was. I still don't get who the twins are? Are they the same creepy twins that get turned into Mini-Titans? Greer and the other one who we fight in the meta event? (Just my uninformed theory).
Still enjoyed playing JW story, for some of the themes they had in this expac about love and loss and the overall vibes. I am also one of the player who liked the first story instance where we get like a recap of what's been happening over Tyria and Cantha and Elona.
I only recently stared getting into the lore which got me to watching some of your older videos and am thoroughly enjoying your JW lore streams (Yes I am watching all of them while I fish lol). Thank you so much, mate.
I remember you were talking about fishing in SotO maps in one of these streams. I have a video on my channel where I have a fishing route for Inner Nayos for 53 gold/hour. Do check it out if you, like me, are interested in fishing too
Imagine if Isgarren hates Zinn cause he of how he disected a Seer.
At no point in the story Isgarren seemed like a «good» or even remotely considerate guy to me. If anything, it was probably Vass who talked him into helping Sorrow.
Evidence for that idea?
Vass was kind and empathetic, or at least that's what Amnytas ambient dialogue claims. She was the one who found Sorrow and became her closest friend, and it was her death that ultimately broke Sorrow and lead to her running away. I'm pretty sure one of the notes mentions it was originally Vass's idea to build the bastions as a way of preserving Tyria's wonders. She even gave Isgarren a magical cat so that he wouldn't feel lonely in her absence. Her tower in Skywatch is called «Vass's Compassion».
You know, general vague hints like that =P
So not evidence! (Hah, only teasing).
I agree that Vass is kind and empathetic, I don't see why that makes isgarren automatically unkind though.
«Unkind» is... Well, honestly, I don't see him as a villainous type, just a sad broken dude with a bit of an ego problem.
Everyone calls him pragmatic for some reason, but what has he really accomplished?
Couldn't stop the Dragons, couldn't stop the Human Gods, got completely owned by Eparch on at least two separate occasions, got three of his wizard friends killed. Created a supersecret organization that every other person on Tyria seems to know about. Hell, he couldn't even find Sorrow in half a millennium despite knowing exactly where the lowland Kodan live!
If I had to guess, he's so slow to act out of not pragmatism but fear of making another mistake, and when the problem ultimately resolves itself, he swoops in and takes all the credit. The Commander took care of Elder Dragons, Livia found the Scepter of Orr, the Gods left on their own, Eparch was overthrown by another demon, etc. Isgarren has very little to do with any of it, yet acts as if everything is going according to his master plan. Doesn't make him unkind, but he's certainly not the type to gift world-shattering magic powers to a random psychotic Kodan out of good intentions.
Vass, on the other hand, seems to have been exactly that type 😄
so on the bloodstone sacrifice stuff, was it ever clear, why the white mantle did that on bloodstones in the first place? I mean yes, they charged their soul batteries with the souls of the sacrificed, but couldnt they have done that literally everywhere else? And besides, how much of the actual sole did go into the batteries? How many ghosts do we see in the game today, that did not get stuck in the soulbatteries but instead got somehow absorbed into the bloodstone? Even justicar hablion is a ghost in the lw story, even though we killed him on the bloodstone in gw1 while the batteries where active. So he should have technically got sacrificed at the door of komalie no? Yet his ghost still roams around. And what is a ghost if not the lingering soul of a dead that cant move on? Its very confusing that stuff.
Could the Eyes of Zaithan be a seer?
I was so confused that my profile pic in the video was of a dude and not my 3d modelled gun lol. Also about the fractal test being confirmed or not, I think in a way it may have been. In the Skyward Marches fractal, we found or hear that the fractal was being used to see what would happen if The Commander never returned to save Elona (also see Elona Fractal Research on the wiki). Again this mentions about the gods never being allowed to return, but confirmed, that they were testing scenarios to see the outcome.
The GW1 fractal wasn't confirmed or mentioned, was just a head canon thing, since Anet has now brought these fractals to the table, and told us the Astral Ward were doing experiments. So Anet have wrote an answer to the question of, "Why did the Astral Ward / Isgarren never interfer during XXXX crisis" - that answer being, because Isgarren / the Ward knew things would work out, or did some behind the scenes stuff to make sure it worked out.
I'm playing GW2 while watching this and just found a super Lore-heavy Letter by Tatyanna (White Mantel)
Pontential Spoiler:
She actually went to Janthir with her followers to find a certain door in Bava Nisos and open it on the orders of Caudecus and in that letter it's actually stated that she doesn't know that he's dead. She's following her mission in blind faith. I'm pretty they opened the door.
WP - question on revenue since you spoke a bit at the end about it. Since I have youtube Premium, how does that translate to you getting paid? Is it worth a certain $/minute? I understand if you dont wanna say it publicly though that might be problematic or something
7:00 That person in the background keeps distracting me of what he is saying XD
I can't for the life of me remember where I found it, but I'm sure I found a note that said something about the Asura thinking about reclaiming a city in Dajkah. Just popped back into my head, anyone else find that somewhere?
Hmm, I know they talked about the Asura wanting to quarantine Rata Primus, so maybe it's that?
Asura? No, I think that was someone from Elona. They said the Brand was weakening or receding, so they wanted to send scouts across it to Dajkah, where they know they used to have villages. The harpies have a large presence there, but they said there are mountain tunnels they can use. But there turned out to be an Inquest city in Sandswept Isles, so who knows how far the asura have actually been?
@@tannerkalka I thought they were separate notes. I thought the bit about the mountain tunnels and harpies was about Dzalana. This was a different one about Dajkah. I'll try and dig through wiki to see if I can find it.
@@Jakal3157 I honestly don’t remember the difference. But the way I see it, mixing up two similarly named regions in the same area of the world is pretty inconsequential when they have almost no lore between them. Unfortunately, this means that I’m also misremembering the asura thing you’re referring to. Sorry about that, but do let me know if you find it!
As a charr player... Yes give me charr character's dad pls ;_;
I find the current pvp game modes boring as fk