Super based preach. Vash'jir is indeed one of the best zones ever made, honestly anytime someone tells me they had trouble with combat, I just truly think they must suck at the game, not to be mean, but it really isn't that hard to figure out how to fight in a zero gravity like environment. I get not meshing with it if you have thassliophoba, or just not a water person in general, but as a zone it's dope as fuck with a tight fun narrative, and truly awesome art design.
I used to be a Amazon deliver driver for around 3 years and I also binged all the drama times whenever music got old to me. And I did it MULTIPLE times 😅😂
this is so awesome, I used to do the same but for other podcasts whenever delivering cars at the dealership I was working back few years ago, podcasts can easily make it less boring
I have a playlist of his best drama times... "the real Australian" and "destroyed by a child" make me laugh so damn hard every time I go back and listen to them.
To the first story: I don't even know where to start. Raiding is a team sport, like soccer. You agree to go to the soccer match, or you can't afford it that weekend, which is fine. But if you show up, and you already played the half time you can't just go and say "that was nice guys, but i've gotta play table tennis now with other guys". Your team depends on you, and you depend on them. How can someone not see that? Him not even beeing able to understand something simple as that leaves me questioning how he's handling his other activities in real life. Just my two cents. PS: Thanks for the great work your putting into this Preach. Always having a blast listening to drama time :)
Everytime someone says they raid for 3 hrs or less, it blows preach’s brain clear across the room. Like he cant think for a good 10 seconds afterwards every time. Which is just so funny to me, cause most people in semi-hardcore guilds probably raid 2-3 hrs a night. Yes, semi, hard, core.
I don't have the patience or time to raid.... so guess what? I don't raid. I do love M+ though. I came back for dragonflight and i hadn't played since MoP. (Im a healer) So my very first M+ ever was in season 1 DF. In S1 i got ksm, and this season i just timed my first +20. Having a blast. Almost all of it has been pugs. I just recently joined a guild and we run together and in learning to tank m+.
I feel like there may be a difference between the last story and your experience, Preach. The story seemed to just kinda want everything despite being told why they're not getting everything, but with you, your old guild didn't remotely tell you how to prepare until you thought you prepared enough only for them to move the goalposts on you. Your guild should've told you *everything* you need to prepare with, not string you along. If you tell someone "you need to do this first" and nothing else, they do it and come back and then you go "okay but fire resistance?" that's bullshit cause they never said that, they were leading you along.
I had a normal dungeon run LFG in cata. Me and my friend queued up as tank/healer, the DPS couldn't even kill the trash, they didn't know how to press buttons. These things actually happen in WoW
I don’t know if it’s been said, but the first story is very similar to the GW2 story of the guy who signed up for a raid and left when he was tired instead of staying at the assigned time. Silly behavior.
I know different guilds have different approaches, but it does seem crazy to bench someone on a normal. Like either the author of the story is actually awful and was carried to cutting edge, or the RL just treats his guild raids like a pug. I could not imagine benching a guild member without at least giving them a couple attempts on mechanics. Then if you are going to have to bench them you gotta have more tact than that RL.
23:01 i remember in wod after finally leaving the hardcore guild where we did minimum 5 raids 5 hours each a week whose raid leader killed my love for raiding and i then spent a month away from the game. i had distanced myself from the char i had played with at the time which had been my main for 2½ expansions at that point, leveled a new char from scratch, and i absolutely fell in love with that spec. joined a guild that did raiding, we were towards the end of the expansion a whole tier after i had taken a month off btw, i got to max, purposefully declined joining any raids because i hadn't geared up fully so i'd be worthy of stepping into heroic; even though they urged me to come earlier, i finally joined a raid after a month of hardcore gearing outside raids and... it was the first time i had ever joined a guild that PUGGED guild raids. yes, we were killing bosses, yes they were falling over easy as pie. but i was so horrified by what i had seen instead of using your own guild members to raid, that i didn't do another raid in all of wod. absolute. crushing. disappointment. i didn't leave however and did one more raid in emerald nightmare once legion released. after we got stuck on the spider boss and raid ended, i left immediately and joined a more proper guild. hearing from friends in that other guild, they couldn't kill ursoc on normal.
Much better for the rl to act quickly even in normal, my guild carried a few people through nathria normal then heroic and we had to bench them, took too long to do it and many people had already started looking around, guild es no mas
1st Story: I'm a casual 2500M+/AotC raider. And our guild, as casual and scummy as we can be, still has rules for missing raid or bailing on raid and being on time. And bailing on raid to go run M+ with your pals will result in constant shaming in both gchat and Discord. Sometimes to the point you quit the guild. If you can't handle us at our shitty prog, you don't deserve us at our swapblastering you before farm bosses.
i love the balls on the dude form first story . and tbh im not surprised - dude was likely in there only for his AOTC and would bail anyway . he was m+ player first - wanted to try raiding - he did and he realised that raiding is for sweatlords while m+ is just supreme experience thats why i stopped raiding years ago and loved wolk classic because i coudl jst pug hc icc whenever i wanted :) raiding should have been just changed to flex 5-10 man years ago or scrapped from game .
I think there should be a form of player organization specifically for players like "Schmevan". Super casual groups where player absentees aren't considered a big deal, just PUG the slots you need to basically emulate a flex raid. Players just coming from LFR/PUGs should be directed to this kind of group, and then the ones who want something more serious can move on to actual guilds. I realize there are cesspool guilds that somewhat fill this role, but I think new players/casuals would be less confused about expectations if they were separate groups.
WoW Made Easy on Discord is basically that. That being said, they have a big emphasis on "Not being a Dick" rules and will ban people very quickly for bad behavior.
55:30 - It's something guild I'm in should do. We have a healer that just does not put in any effort judging by the logs and his talent setup. He's either a supergenius holy priest that can make superduper healing builds that can just spam heal and get an orange parse or... no he's just not putting in any effort and just presses heal. Why he isn't getting benched is beyond me. Instead we are forcing a good dps to make up for him by healing the raid. Instead of clearing heroic before xmas we only killed fyrakk first time last week.
So i do wanna say about the dude who left to pug M+ they did say he was a new player with 0 raid experience or etiquette that we have come to expect for raiding it sounded like he just didnt know what he signed up for
I’m an NPC raider like Preach was speaking of. Don’t say a word and top 3 dps every pull. I’m not playing for the friendship aspect. I don’t care to be friends outside of raid.
@@DoppelgangerTH it’s like how giveaways say “no purchase required” but you have to buy something in order to get the code or whatever. It simply means if you are paying for this service you’re likely using it for something already, and this is something extra you can get from it. Literally no one is saying “buy the game pass so you can play this one game for free”
In that last story, this is what one of the guild some of my character's are in does, although I don't raid or play dragonflight much at the moment. They only ever raid enough to do curve for the team, and then maybe do a run again at some point ro get the achievements done. Difference here being they still log in for other stuff they want to do, but, honestly, I think raiding just for curve is a lot more common, especially with more casual raid teams. They don't bench though XD.
As someone asked "do the police even do that?" For the illegally downloaded music. Yes they do, depending on the law in your country downloading music illegally may be a grey area, like where I'm from it's not illegal to download, but it's illegal to seed. It also depends on how aggressive the copyright laws are, but if you ever catch the attention of the police as a private person you definently fucked up and you will get fucked by the copyright/trademark holders, in dollarinos tens of thousands in fines is not uncommon. I also depends what internet you are using, if you are using anything but a private or secured line you're gonna get caught. I knew a guy who ended up owing 20,000$ in fines because he got caught seeding illegal music through my former schools Internet, police called the school since whoever owns the internet connection gets the fine, unless it's a case of a school f.ex., then the establishment is required to find the individual responsible, or get left with the fine themselves.
There are always two sides to the story, did the “officers” those in charge of the raid make clear how they were raiding. IMO this sounds like a lack of communication overall. From the rather pug M+ it just sounds like they really didn’t communicate how they raid and what they expect prior to making groups. Other people leaving it clearly shows me that it was poor communication.
Yeah, you should take the time to play Warcraft 3 and it's XPac. While you're at it, hit the entirety of the Starcraft franchise. Those are some of the best RTSs of their generations, and maybe some of the best real time strategy to not be named Homeworld.
On the first story, he reacted way nicer than I would have. You agreed to be here for this time, and then you broke the agreement and wasted the time of 19 other people. I can easily forgive someone who's gotta dip because of an emergency or unexpected circumstances that require their attention, but you drop your commitment to 19 people in this MMO, to do something completely different in the same MMO. That's just so unbelievable disrespectful I would kick or call for him to be kicked on the spot .
I just want to say as a new player wow resources are atrocious just an example I have many more. The guides for leveling say to get heirloom items etc. if you click on the item s it says you need justice points to get items but it doesn't tell you have to complete level 85 dungeons to get these points it just says dungeons. Again I have way more examples and often the rotations etc are wrong on the sites I'm talking wow head icyveins etc. so please stop putting it on the player when the more experienced player should just tell them
You have got to stop spreading this underwater fairy tale zone propaganda. It is absolutely not faster. In fact, it has substantially slower to level in that zone. How many people did you bait into going there on classic cataclysm launch. LOL?
@@UltimaKeyMaster sheesh, preach's community is so toxic. It's been really consistent with you guys how you defend Preach and can't let others even comment on how he behaves sometimes.
As much as it pisses me off that no one gives any other monster catcher a chance, there is no evidence Palworld does this. They are absolutely intentionally skirting the line of copyright and their other projects are WAAAAAAAAAAY more sus, but Palworld on its own is not theft.
@@UltimaKeyMaster I would have 100% given the game a chance. It is right up my alley and I love supporting smaller companies who bring competition to the market. But the way they've done this, its not right. And I will not support or contribute to the normalization of theft. That's what it is. Plain and simple. I have done research and not just quick glances on twitter. This company literally has other games that are asset flips, they have a game specifically about AI art and their ceo literally expressed his interest and support of AI art. On top of that it has assets that completely line up with assets from pokemon. Whether an artist works for gamefreak or is independent, their work, dedication and time does not deserve to be scraped for someone else to make a profit off of. Palworld has even taken designs from independent artists fakemons. Maybe I am too close to this as an artist myself. If people want to play this game more power to them its their time and money. But you need to accept what you are supporting. Something being fun doesn't mean it was not created through morally corrupt methods. I do not support the people who are sending death threats and being hateful to the creators of Palworld or the people playing it. That kinda stuff is never the answer. All I can do is express my disappointment that a creator whose content I generally enjoy is supporting theft.
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Super based preach. Vash'jir is indeed one of the best zones ever made, honestly anytime someone tells me they had trouble with combat, I just truly think they must suck at the game, not to be mean, but it really isn't that hard to figure out how to fight in a zero gravity like environment. I get not meshing with it if you have thassliophoba, or just not a water person in general, but as a zone it's dope as fuck with a tight fun narrative, and truly awesome art design.
I used to be a Amazon deliver driver for around 3 years and I also binged all the drama times whenever music got old to me. And I did it MULTIPLE times 😅😂
Lol same! Especially sitting around forever waiting for the warehouse to load.
@@throwaway450 absolutely! I've laughed out loud so many times while delivering and got weird looks
this is so awesome, I used to do the same but for other podcasts whenever delivering cars at the dealership I was working back few years ago, podcasts can easily make it less boring
Same!
I have a playlist of his best drama times... "the real Australian" and "destroyed by a child" make me laugh so damn hard every time I go back and listen to them.
To the first story:
I don't even know where to start. Raiding is a team sport, like soccer. You agree to go to the soccer match, or you can't afford it that weekend, which is fine. But if you show up, and you already played the half time you can't just go and say "that was nice guys, but i've gotta play table tennis now with other guys". Your team depends on you, and you depend on them. How can someone not see that?
Him not even beeing able to understand something simple as that leaves me questioning how he's handling his other activities in real life.
Just my two cents.
PS: Thanks for the great work your putting into this Preach. Always having a blast listening to drama time :)
Everytime someone says they raid for 3 hrs or less, it blows preach’s brain clear across the room. Like he cant think for a good 10 seconds afterwards every time. Which is just so funny to me, cause most people in semi-hardcore guilds probably raid 2-3 hrs a night. Yes, semi, hard, core.
Holy hell they just keep coming! Made my Monday!
I don't have the patience or time to raid.... so guess what? I don't raid.
I do love M+ though. I came back for dragonflight and i hadn't played since MoP. (Im a healer) So my very first M+ ever was in season 1 DF. In S1 i got ksm, and this season i just timed my first +20. Having a blast. Almost all of it has been pugs. I just recently joined a guild and we run together and in learning to tank m+.
I feel like there may be a difference between the last story and your experience, Preach. The story seemed to just kinda want everything despite being told why they're not getting everything, but with you, your old guild didn't remotely tell you how to prepare until you thought you prepared enough only for them to move the goalposts on you. Your guild should've told you *everything* you need to prepare with, not string you along. If you tell someone "you need to do this first" and nothing else, they do it and come back and then you go "okay but fire resistance?" that's bullshit cause they never said that, they were leading you along.
I had a normal dungeon run LFG in cata. Me and my friend queued up as tank/healer, the DPS couldn't even kill the trash, they didn't know how to press buttons. These things actually happen in WoW
I don’t know if it’s been said, but the first story is very similar to the GW2 story of the guy who signed up for a raid and left when he was tired instead of staying at the assigned time. Silly behavior.
Vash’jir: trying to attack an enemy but have no patch because you are 0.000025 nano metres below or above the target
I know different guilds have different approaches, but it does seem crazy to bench someone on a normal. Like either the author of the story is actually awful and was carried to cutting edge, or the RL just treats his guild raids like a pug.
I could not imagine benching a guild member without at least giving them a couple attempts on mechanics. Then if you are going to have to bench them you gotta have more tact than that RL.
RE the second story. I also lasted longer in SL than in BfA and it was 100% due to friend group.
23:01 i remember in wod after finally leaving the hardcore guild where we did minimum 5 raids 5 hours each a week whose raid leader killed my love for raiding and i then spent a month away from the game. i had distanced myself from the char i had played with at the time which had been my main for 2½ expansions at that point, leveled a new char from scratch, and i absolutely fell in love with that spec. joined a guild that did raiding, we were towards the end of the expansion a whole tier after i had taken a month off btw, i got to max, purposefully declined joining any raids because i hadn't geared up fully so i'd be worthy of stepping into heroic; even though they urged me to come earlier, i finally joined a raid after a month of hardcore gearing outside raids and... it was the first time i had ever joined a guild that PUGGED guild raids. yes, we were killing bosses, yes they were falling over easy as pie. but i was so horrified by what i had seen instead of using your own guild members to raid, that i didn't do another raid in all of wod. absolute. crushing. disappointment.
i didn't leave however and did one more raid in emerald nightmare once legion released. after we got stuck on the spider boss and raid ended, i left immediately and joined a more proper guild. hearing from friends in that other guild, they couldn't kill ursoc on normal.
Much better for the rl to act quickly even in normal, my guild carried a few people through nathria normal then heroic and we had to bench them, took too long to do it and many people had already started looking around, guild es no mas
1st Story: I'm a casual 2500M+/AotC raider. And our guild, as casual and scummy as we can be, still has rules for missing raid or bailing on raid and being on time. And bailing on raid to go run M+ with your pals will result in constant shaming in both gchat and Discord. Sometimes to the point you quit the guild. If you can't handle us at our shitty prog, you don't deserve us at our swapblastering you before farm bosses.
i love the balls on the dude form first story . and tbh im not surprised - dude was likely in there only for his AOTC and would bail anyway . he was m+ player first - wanted to try raiding - he did and he realised that raiding is for sweatlords while m+ is just supreme experience thats why i stopped raiding years ago and loved wolk classic because i coudl jst pug hc icc whenever i wanted :) raiding should have been just changed to flex 5-10 man years ago or scrapped from game .
I think there should be a form of player organization specifically for players like "Schmevan". Super casual groups where player absentees aren't considered a big deal, just PUG the slots you need to basically emulate a flex raid. Players just coming from LFR/PUGs should be directed to this kind of group, and then the ones who want something more serious can move on to actual guilds. I realize there are cesspool guilds that somewhat fill this role, but I think new players/casuals would be less confused about expectations if they were separate groups.
WoW Made Easy on Discord is basically that. That being said, they have a big emphasis on "Not being a Dick" rules and will ban people very quickly for bad behavior.
to be fair as shitty reforged is for net play and online stuff. to just play the story it is fine,.
55:30 - It's something guild I'm in should do. We have a healer that just does not put in any effort judging by the logs and his talent setup. He's either a supergenius holy priest that can make superduper healing builds that can just spam heal and get an orange parse or... no he's just not putting in any effort and just presses heal. Why he isn't getting benched is beyond me. Instead we are forcing a good dps to make up for him by healing the raid. Instead of clearing heroic before xmas we only killed fyrakk first time last week.
So i do wanna say about the dude who left to pug M+ they did say he was a new player with 0 raid experience or etiquette that we have come to expect for raiding it sounded like he just didnt know what he signed up for
Poor sap actually chose dungeon spamming over a mythic raid. Sadge time's we're in.
I’m an NPC raider like Preach was speaking of. Don’t say a word and top 3 dps every pull. I’m not playing for the friendship aspect. I don’t care to be friends outside of raid.
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'free on game pass' is an oxymoron lol
It’s really not lol
@gengar618 game pass isn't free, therefore its included in the price you pay for the game pass, which makes it not free.
@@DoppelgangerTH and free Healthcare isn't free for anyone who pays taxes
@@DoppelgangerTH it’s like how giveaways say “no purchase required” but you have to buy something in order to get the code or whatever. It simply means if you are paying for this service you’re likely using it for something already, and this is something extra you can get from it. Literally no one is saying “buy the game pass so you can play this one game for free”
It’s not flex that has bred these entitled non-raiders lol it’s mythic+
Notice almost all people like this are almost entirely solo m+ players.
In that last story, this is what one of the guild some of my character's are in does, although I don't raid or play dragonflight much at the moment. They only ever raid enough to do curve for the team, and then maybe do a run again at some point ro get the achievements done. Difference here being they still log in for other stuff they want to do, but, honestly, I think raiding just for curve is a lot more common, especially with more casual raid teams. They don't bench though XD.
As someone asked "do the police even do that?" For the illegally downloaded music. Yes they do, depending on the law in your country downloading music illegally may be a grey area, like where I'm from it's not illegal to download, but it's illegal to seed.
It also depends on how aggressive the copyright laws are, but if you ever catch the attention of the police as a private person you definently fucked up and you will get fucked by the copyright/trademark holders, in dollarinos tens of thousands in fines is not uncommon.
I also depends what internet you are using, if you are using anything but a private or secured line you're gonna get caught.
I knew a guy who ended up owing 20,000$ in fines because he got caught seeding illegal music through my former schools Internet, police called the school since whoever owns the internet connection gets the fine, unless it's a case of a school f.ex., then the establishment is required to find the individual responsible, or get left with the fine themselves.
Aww yeah this lunch break gonna be lit
There are always two sides to the story, did the “officers” those in charge of the raid make clear how they were raiding. IMO this sounds like a lack of communication overall. From the rather pug M+ it just sounds like they really didn’t communicate how they raid and what they expect prior to making groups. Other people leaving it clearly shows me that it was poor communication.
Yeah, you should take the time to play Warcraft 3 and it's XPac.
While you're at it, hit the entirety of the Starcraft franchise.
Those are some of the best RTSs of their generations, and maybe some of the best real time strategy to not be named Homeworld.
On the first story, he reacted way nicer than I would have. You agreed to be here for this time, and then you broke the agreement and wasted the time of 19 other people. I can easily forgive someone who's gotta dip because of an emergency or unexpected circumstances that require their attention, but you drop your commitment to 19 people in this MMO, to do something completely different in the same MMO. That's just so unbelievable disrespectful I would kick or call for him to be kicked on the spot .
Getting paid by Blizzard to write a review is NOT game journalism. That's advertisement.
This is your brain on casual mode. Blame modernity.
you gotta leave that first guild thats a clown show
I just want to say as a new player wow resources are atrocious just an example I have many more. The guides for leveling say to get heirloom items etc. if you click on the item s it says you need justice points to get items but it doesn't tell you have to complete level 85 dungeons to get these points it just says dungeons. Again I have way more examples and often the rotations etc are wrong on the sites I'm talking wow head icyveins etc. so please stop putting it on the player when the more experienced player should just tell them
Why do you lie? It's Monday 🙄❤
You have got to stop spreading this underwater fairy tale zone propaganda. It is absolutely not faster. In fact, it has substantially slower to level in that zone. How many people did you bait into going there on classic cataclysm launch. LOL?
34:20 rare Preach mask off. Yikes
...What, that he was honest about Blizzard being desperate?
@@UltimaKeyMaster that he received money for reviewing dragonflight
@@daze4135 ...And? Do you not know what sponsors are?
@@UltimaKeyMaster sheesh, preach's community is so toxic. It's been really consistent with you guys how you defend Preach and can't let others even comment on how he behaves sometimes.
@@daze4135 Nah, you just don't like content creators making money and think making a single cent is selling out.
Disappointed to hear you're supporting theft by playing palworld.
As much as it pisses me off that no one gives any other monster catcher a chance, there is no evidence Palworld does this. They are absolutely intentionally skirting the line of copyright and their other projects are WAAAAAAAAAAY more sus, but Palworld on its own is not theft.
@@UltimaKeyMaster
I would have 100% given the game a chance. It is right up my alley and I love supporting smaller companies who bring competition to the market. But the way they've done this, its not right. And I will not support or contribute to the normalization of theft. That's what it is. Plain and simple.
I have done research and not just quick glances on twitter. This company literally has other games that are asset flips, they have a game specifically about AI art and their ceo literally expressed his interest and support of AI art. On top of that it has assets that completely line up with assets from pokemon.
Whether an artist works for gamefreak or is independent, their work, dedication and time does not deserve to be scraped for someone else to make a profit off of. Palworld has even taken designs from independent artists fakemons. Maybe I am too close to this as an artist myself.
If people want to play this game more power to them its their time and money. But you need to accept what you are supporting. Something being fun doesn't mean it was not created through morally corrupt methods.
I do not support the people who are sending death threats and being hateful to the creators of Palworld or the people playing it. That kinda stuff is never the answer. All I can do is express my disappointment that a creator whose content I generally enjoy is supporting theft.
Lmao smoothbrains calling it theft. This is like calling fucking mortal kombat theft of tekken or street fighter lmak.