Mark Driscoll's Toxic Christianity: A Response | The New Evangelicals
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- The New Evangelicals: Dr. Kevin Carnahan, Associate Professor of Philosophy & Religion at Central Methodist University joins Tim as they respond to a conversation between Mark Driscoll and Russell Johnson, pastor of Pursuit Church Northwest.
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Thanks for giving me hope that NOT all Christians are crazy & hateful! Please keep doing what you are doing! American Society NEEDS this 😇
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I’m an atheist and this makes me wish god would show himself to me.
That’s awesome man! The more I learn about theology, the more I absolutely love it! If you have any questions, I love talking about this stuff and I love when people think it’s cool and want to commit to it 😁
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I think the ant-covid lockdown stance was also about fear of losing control over the evangelical masses and about losing out on tithing money.
Interesting. Didn’t think about either of those two aspects
It was about freedom to worship freely. Y’all love to talk about separation of church and state, except when the state is controlling the church and it benefits your ideology.
@@MattHossmy parents are involved in leadership at a local mega church and brought up to me the drop in tithing as a reason churches should be allowed to go back to business as usual. Drive in church services didn’t infringe on anyone’s right to worship.
"You catch flak when you're over the target" is a silly, childish idea. David French addressed that phrase by saying maybe or you're just an asshole. If a pastor was to say, "Our church is for whites only" he would catch a whole lot of flak. Is he over the target? No that dude would just be a racist asshole. That's an absurd example but it illustrates the general point. Politicians don't need to explain how their faith influences their positions when they can just say what their positions are and even Matt Walsh says he has non-religious reasons for his terrible positions.
The statement is even sillier when you think about how anti aircraft was used in WW2. The goal was to take the bombers down long before they were over the target because when the bomber is over the target it's too late.
Kevin is awesome I used to dislike him so much on TikTok but my heart has changed so much this last year or so and now I appreciate Kevin's ideas the way he has opened up about his children and his aunt 💔 just want to say thank you thank you thank you. And thank you Tim for getting him on
55:08 I don’t think Driscoll understands that the NyC churches actually prioritize that feed the poor/hungry and care for the orphan and widow thing. Having lived in Manhattan for the last 2 years, let me tell you they follow a lot more of Jesus than anyone gives them credit for.
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This is a great great conversation ❤
Here for the close reading of their set 😂
The Bible even says to respect your government but not stop doing GOOD things like feeding the starving and clothing the naked and helping the poor. THAT’s the true church. It is really really simple. It’s observable. That’s the example that Christians need to live by and not about marks EGO.
Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS!!!! Didn’t Jesus say that?
Notice how Mark Driscoll NEVER debates anyone who actually has some integrity and intelligence and really wrestles with faith.
Jesus NEVER said take over the government!!!!!
EVER!!!!
I get it: Mark Driscoll is not worthy, does not know, is not to be paid attention to. What a disgrace that people implicitly give him authority!
This was a great Video. I really learned alot.
SUCH a great conversation!
Driskel and Trump have something in common
They both do not feel they need to repent about anything
When mark talks about how the hetero men in men’s ministry would be uncomfortable by allowing in lgbtq members I think that is what’s wrong with a lot men today. There is so much data on the poor mental health of men and it’s related to them having to perform a certain perception of masculinity to fit in. The men in the group may look the part but they’re all struggling and not finding support. They’re not finding Jesus. Men’s mental health is very sensitive for me because my stepdad took his life when I was a teenager.
Speaking as a right wing Christian, I can see too many disadvantages of presenting the faith as anti Left and none of the advantages. There's a very real danger of perverting the gospel.
Love this podcast, but Jesus wasn't "anti-family" those verses are a part of a broader context (both culturally and in the context of the previous verses).
Digging for Answers
Biblical Archaeologists are about as certain as you can be about these things that the conquest of Canaan as the Bible describes did not happen: no mass invasion from the outside by an Israelite army and no extermination of Canaanites as God commanded
One thing archaeologists can tell us is whether or not a city was violently destroyed by outside invaders and whether a new group of people took up residence, Battle and destructions of cities leave archaeological footprints - things like soot(if the town was burned0, weapons, smashed pottery, and human bones. Mass migrations of people groups as the Bible describes with Israel entering Canaan would cause some cultural upheaval and leave some sort of remains for archaeologists to dig up and write long books about to help them get tenure.
Remember those thirty-one Canaanite towns listed in the Book of Joshua (plus other towns on either side of the Jordan River)? Sixteen towns were destroyed according to the stories in the books of Numbers, Joshua and Judges. Of those sixteen, two or three maybe four cities show signs of violent desctruction at or around the time when Joshua and his army would have been ploughing Canaan(thirteenth centuryBCE about 200 years before the time of King David)). That’s it
The towns on the other side of the Jordan River, in Moab, don’t look like they were even occupied at the time.
We also read in the Bible that twelve towns were taken over without a fight. But of those twelve only seven were even occupied at the time , according to archaeological findings. And of those same twelve towns that the Bible says weren’t destroyed, three actually do show signs of destruction.
In other words, archaeology and the biblical story don’t line up well at all.
Jericho, the first of the towns to be razed in the Book of Joshua, is the most famous example. Not only was Jericho minimally inhabited at the best of time, but it had no massive protective walls, which means the biblical story of the “walls of Jericho” tumbling down - at least that’s what a hundred years of digging there has shown us.
What most everyone is certain about however, is that the Bible;’s version of events is not what happened. And that puts the question “How could God have all those Canaanites put to death?” in a different light, indeed. He didn’t.
From Peter Enns The Bible Tells Me So, pp. 58-60 HarperOne , 2015.
53:02 Uhm what? According to the gospels, the ruling government at the time (Rome via Pilate) wanted Jesus released. The Jewish people cried out for him to be executed. Not the government. Have these people actually read the Bible? 🤨
2:06:24 Carnahan says you've gotten things wrong if Hell and fear of God are the reasons you join Christianity or remain a Christian, which is insane. Those are the best, and arguably the only good reasons for some people to become or remain a Christian.
It’s ACTIONS. It’s fruit of the spirit. Do you live like Jesus Christ or not. So let’s throw out the beatitudes and Sermon on the Mount and all the lifting up the oppressed. Maybe it will just be about demons and satanic because that’s what mark driscoll really is afraid of more than Jesus. No fear of the lord.
Jesus said we would be persecuted. If you do what Jesus Christ did which is to reach out to the oppressed and the poor and the disenfranchised.
@49:00 Jesus said that he came to break up families.
why are we even calling Mark's theology christianity?
They are more about money. They worship mammon. Plain and simple
It's sad that these men do not understand what the Bible is saying.
What Jesus is saying as far as "hate Father, Mother, etc. He is saying in a hyperbolic way: PUT ME FIRST! It is only right, since Jesus created everything! John 1:1-3.
this was a great break down, guys! I've never heard Mark Driscoll speak directly like this before and he sounds just like my far right uncles. full of fear and insecurity.
Vans>Chucks
Wrong pipsqueak, Jesus was the Alpha Male, but in the mature way. The macho man is a child’s idea of strength. When true strength is turning the other cheek and letting go of pride. Neither side can see this because we all modern people have become way too liberal or conservative.
ahahah...religion...😞
Moments after saying they didn't want to personally attack anybody, the two speakers start focussing, at length, & making implications about "appearances," including suggesting that the two who they are critiquing might possibly be "playing characters."
Maybe we all do this to some extent? (If so, why not say that instead of acting as if only SOME people do that?)
It could be claimed that the youthful ball-cap matched with old style tie worn by one of the speakers, & the tattoos emblazoning the arms of the other, are suggestive of an interest with "appearances."
I can hardly see how suggesting that the people they're critiquing might be playing characters is a personal attack? If they had said Mark driscoll is an ugly, lumbering bigoted git who posseses one brain cell wandering about his thick skull in a hopeless search for the other. Then that would be a personal attack.
Hmm. You’ve never once addressed the over 2000 year history of Christian anti-Judaism and antisemitism. Jules Isaac, a French Jewish historian, said “Christianity has a theology of contempt to Christianity. It permeates our culture. It affects all Christians no matter you denomination ethnicity or race, and yes, even the New Evangelicals. Yet you won’t address it or examine how it affects you, because it absolutely does.
Mark sounds like he’s trying to capture the Red Pill and Andrew Tate audiences because those movements are withering and the lost frustrated men generate a lot of views.
Mark and his buddy want to live in Iran with a theocracy and power trip. They want to take the place of Jesus Himself.
These guys are both soft and silly and no thoughts about Jesus Christ and what he really stood for. He stood for the poor in spirit and the meek and the poor in food and water and clothes and who were oppressed by religion . And SINNERS. But mark is without sin. Let’s just skip Jesus and worship narcissist mark. He would LOVE that!!
Genesis 1 and 2 are not two different accounts...as a matter of fact in Hebrew this is one long account that does not contradict.
Driscoll is the man! Love that guy :) Bless him Lord for he taught me a lot about You and Your perspective on the modern times!
“Toxic Christianity” this coming from the guy who mocked the divinity of Christ in a now-deleted tweet
The opening discussion on "playing characters" all based off of the coffee table made it super clear that you are two men with nothing better to do than punch down on a former evangelical boogie man
Mark Driscoll (like Andy Stanley, Rick Warren, Paula White, Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, and though now it is too late, Tim Keller & Pat Robertson) is not a Christian.
He needs grace and needs Christ.
Tim Keller not a Christian? What makes you say that? As a matter of fact, how do you know that none of them are saved. Indeed, Joel Osteen and Paula White are questionable....
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Tim Keller:
-believed in evolution (not old earth creationism, which is certainly an “in house debate” among genuine Christians, but theistic evolution).
-refused to condemn homosexuality as a sin.
-intentionally would not preach against abortion.
-Congratulated an “atheist friend” who Harvard University tapped to be their new chaplain.
-supported the social justice movement.
Unfortunately, he had an awesome opportunity, living in a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, called New York City, to influence it, yet he allowed it to influence him. Watch his interview, the “Veritas Forum” at Columbia University from about 10 or 12 years ago; it was an utter disaster.
@@patrickc3419 It's possible to be a Christian and have blind spots. Fortunately our salvation is not based on having all our theology right, but based on Christ and his cross.
@@patrickc3419none of the things you listed disqualify someone from being a genuine Christian. We are saved by grace alone. Jesus plus nothing
Not a Driscoll fan but at least he stands for his beliefs and convictions. You guys chiseling away at what others believe and stand for strikes me as rather cowardly. Why not focus on what you guys actually believe and stand for rather than making a career and building a following around blowing up others beliefs.
Hmm. You’ve never once addressed the over 2000 year history of Christian anti-Judaism and antisemitism. Jules Isaac, a French Jewish historian, said “Christianity has a theology of contempt to Christianity. It permeates our culture. It affects all Christians no matter you denomination ethnicity or race, and yes, even the New Evangelicals. Yet you won’t address it or examine how it affects you, because it absolutely does.