Vin & Sori, I grew up in a Christian home, went to church every Sunday and "youth group" every Wednesday. Throughout this time, I was a metalhead and because of that, I was often shunned in my church. Countless people would come up to me, or call me to try and "counsel me" on my musical choices. Regardless of the fact that albeit I was listening to metal, my spiritual growth never ceased, they still felt the urge to "correct my behavior". I post the lyrics to a song once (unfortunately don't remember the song) and I remember an Elder of my church reaching out to me saying he was concerned for me. What I couldn't wrap my head around then, and still can't to this day is how he felt justified in saying the music I enjoyed was going to condemn me to Hell, as essentially that was his message in the end. After watching ALL of your videos, I've had a refreshed sense of Christianity and I can't describe how nice it is to see other's who believe what I believe but can still enjoy what I enjoy without thinking they're going to Hell for enjoying it. In one of your videos on Behemoth (not a huge fan of this band but it's the most opposite to Christianity, I chose to focus on it) Vin says: "Just because he's intending for these lyrics to be towards Satan, doesn't mean they have to be. They can easily be applied to God as well." This was probably my biggest point growing up; just because the lyrics say one thing, doesn't mean I apply them that way, or that I interpret them the same way the artist intended. I think that's the point of music, to use it however you can to help you through what you're going through. Truly, I doubt at the end of it all God is going to care if I listened to Slipknot all my life as long as I still believed in him, and lived a life for Christ. Basically, I want to say thank you for being the open-minded Christians I know exist, but are too often misrepresented. I look forward to your future reviews and wish you both the best as you continue on. If I could make a request, listen to Motionless in White - Immaculate Misconception. I think it spells out what I'm trying to say perhaps better than I'm saying it. God Bless - Soulcrifice
Soulcrifice Sorry to here you were treated that way, most of our brothers and sisters are virtue signaling when we shouldn't seek glory but give our glory to god. And only assume Christians are going to hell for liking metal I would say if you still have that problem give then the lyrics to crown of thorns by for today then show them the music. God bless.
This is my point of views on music and being a Christian (I am a metalhead too, by the way)... We are taught that we use our voices to glorify God, that is why we sing in church and all. If you choose music that has lyrics that, in a way, glorifies Satan, and you sing to it, you are choosing to glorify the evil one than God. I could be wrong about that, but I am not saying get away from metal, but be skeptical of what you listen to. Vin and Sori make good points about interpretation of the lyrics and open-mindedness, but again, be skeptical of what you listen to and why you listen to it. God bless.
I'm a devoted Christian who also happens to be goth. I've gotten the "we're concerned" speech from elders at my church too. I was even asked to step down from ministry (media) because the elders and pastors thought that my look was "too extreme". Even though I never came to church wearing a white face; the most I've ever done was wear black nail polish and black eyeliner, black clothes and maybe a few chains. I'm the kind of Christian who wants to break the christian culture bubble. It's not biblical, it's man-made. God made us to be free. He's called us to be the light in our dark world, not a bunch of cynical, judgmental cronies. Satan actually uses Christians like that to turn people away from God, and that's the sad part that they don't even realize. Too heavenly minded but no earthly good. Too many Pharisees in the church today.
RevelationNone why u guys pay so much attention to religion?? U need some George Carlin... My religion is one of the oldest, and our gods are most powerfull, and still i dont care... vin sori giving so much attention to this religious band, there might be some hidden agenda... u guys look like hardcore christians... !! I mean u guys willingly read and dug into the bible. I know bible talks a lot abt spirituality which is very accurate .. but talking abt jesus, satan, devil , is just religious talk...
RevelationNone that is ok...but if bohemoth is your favourite band and u r listening 20 bohemoth songs everyday, then there's a problem.... Please dont use religion to earn ur bread and butter...and m requesting this to bohemoth and everyone here...its all business.... cHain of business...and this market must be closed..more people r killed in the name of god than any other reason..thou shall not give much importance to thy religion....and there is only one way to fix this- interracial marriage ... how can i Tinder chicks from other countries???
Burzum - Det Som Engang Var (full version) /Mayhem - Illuminate Eliminate / Abbath - Fenrir Hunts /Mgla - Exercises In Futility V /Dimmu Borgir - Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny (with intro)...
I would have never expected Behemoth as a way to strengthen my faith and wanting to know more about the bible. But you guys just inspired me to do so! God bless you
Recently discovered you guys through my interests in metal, and Behemoth specifically. Nice to see intelligent analysis and not reactions for shock value. Truly hope you get an interview/discussion with Nergal. I've personally met him a few times and he is honestly one of the more genuinely authentic and friendly people you could talk with. My only note of criticism would be the critique of Behemoth fans, I would say a great number of them do understand the lyrics and meanings. Great work guys.
VinAnd Sori yeah preety cool analysis this was the time I realised what the song was about also I'd love to see you guys react to *Chapel of Ghouls* by *Morbid Angel*
If it hurts - you're doing it wrong and you shouldn't do it this way (you have only one voice, be careful). I started practising 3 weeks ago and I can do it for hours. You have to use your false chords instead of your "true" chords which you use when you're talking. False chords are higher up in the throat. Also practice breathing, with a proper breath support you will be able to growl effortlessly. Breathe from your diaphragm, don't take too much air and don't put too much force into the growl. I watched and read tons of tutorials before I got the technique right, it may take a little while for you too.
Another awesome video, you guys are killing it. It's sad that people are attacking you for making these videos, I think you are doing a great service and should be proud of what you are achieving. What other RUclips series can bring together Satanists and Christians to discuss great music and learn about the lyrics of the songs that we all love. I have learned so much since stumbling across this channel. In regards to Hail, a lot of us say it in a way of empowerment and praise. Hail Vin and Sori!
Great video guys. What I wanted to add about Nergal. I've been following him on various social media platforms for a couple of years and I red his book "Confessions Of A Heretic". He is not your average Black Metal Devil worshipper guy who prays to Satan. Ironically he isn't really a Satanist. He is very much an Atheist. He doesn't believe in ANY God or any higher power. He is not worshipping the devil but he is using Satanism as a tool to criticize the catholic church. I myself am very much of an Atheist too but I really admire the way you look at his art. Very educated and open-minded. Under no circumstance would I ever try to talk you of of what YOU believe in and I appreciate how you aren't doing it either!
I CAN NOT BELIEVE i haven't seen a request for them to do Messe Noire...out of all the Behemoth songs with the most "far out" lyrics and of all the videos i believe they would be surprised by Messe Noire is at the TOP. I have only watched the reaction videos to the three Behemoth songs and i keep checking back waiting for them to do Messe Noire now THAT will make my day, WEEK EVEN! Great channel guys...i dont find much interesting but this def. is.
I think the song as a whole is a story of the crucifixion never taking place, someone stopped it. Hence the disciples burning. This entity that stopped it is looking down on Christ (I’m assuming he’s nearly dead) calling him the son of god out of mockery because he’s defenseless, snuffing in vein because this entity puts themselves on a higher level than him
I consider myself to be a fan of Behemoth, but not diving really deep into the lyrics like you do here. But thanks and salute for doing it and clearify stuff for me. Feel enlightened 😁😎. Immortal - All Shall Fall 😈recommendable!
Vin and Sori i enjoy your videos. You too have helped me in my journey. I am one of those people that other Christians find out im into metal they try to change my music.
As far as i know the flame sigil is the idea of Lucifer and Prometheus being the same kind of character the one who brings enlightenment to humanity. Whether enlightenment means original sin to you is up for debate.... You two are awesome
The reason most satanists say "hail" to one another is because Satan is the spirit that lives within us, our human spirit and needs. The seven deadly sins are representative of the devil and our human nature as one
Nergal included a bible verse with this song in the album. Shall a trumpet be blown in a city and the people not afraid? Shall evil be done in a city that the lord thy God has not committed.
18:35 In christian mythology Leviathan is said to devours sinners at the Last Judgment. So because Gabriel blowing his trumpets also meaning the Day of Reckoning has come, what the lyrics propably mean is that Jesus (the bread) is fed to the Leviathan because he's a sinner.
I think you guys would have a field day with Ihsahn. Ihsahn was probably the most recognizable name in black metal (one of the founders of the notorious and legendary band, Emperor) but he's also one of the most erudite, intellectual black metal artists out there. His stuff is melodic and at time beautiful. Dark and at time disturbing at times but beautiful nonethless. His lyricism is also incredibly smart and thought provoking. I think you guys would enjoy it both sonically and lyrically, especially for a Black Fire review. I would also encourage you guys to check out some of the documentary's out there on youtube about Black Metal and why it came to be and the intense hatred for the christian church that it was born out of. And while the actions of these angry kids is not to be defended (church burnings, killings etc) there is something behind that rage where the people of Norway felt their ancient traditions and way of life was being forcibly taken from them. Its such a fascinating and ultimately sad story. Satanism is at the very root (as I understand it) about empowering of one's self. Its at its core a selfish religion (not really meant as an insult per say). That being said it doesn't necessarily mean that they are terrible, hateful, blemishes on society. Nergal seems a pretty good example of the value of religions that we may not agree with and may not understand, even if they happen to be in complete opposition to our own. So in answer to the question posed, no I don't think he would be cool with raping anyone even if they are weaker. As I understand it, in satanism if someone is weaker it doesn't mean they are open season for any sort of atrocity imaginable. It simply means that if they are weak, and you are strong, then you are of more value. I suppose you could take that to the extreme, but I don't believe thats at all the intent. Apologies if I get any of this wrong, I've endeavored to learn as much as I can about satanism but there is alot of misinformation and misrepresentation out there. So feel free to correct if I get anything wrong. Great breakdown guys.
I just saw Ihsahn in Sydney last Saturday. Phenomenal. Loved him since Emperor. He played mostly solo stuff (which I love), but dropped in a few Emperor tracks too.
as a child I was indoctrinated in the teachings of born again evangelical Christianity, so the bible was imprinted in my mind forever. later when I left that doctrine and rebelled in listened to behemoth it made sense many of what nergal was writing about and especially in "the Satanist". fun fact: nergal is not the main lyricist, he shares that with Krystof Azarewicz, who has contributed the lyrics for behemoth's most popular songs
I don't think there is a point to suggesting songs like Sorgens kammer. The video would be pretty short if they could not do lyrics analysis and I doubt Vin and Sori know Norwegian.
I was debating suggesting bands like Elend or Haggard but it's difficult if the lyrics are in 3 different languages. Of course there are translations but they are rarely done by professional translators and even then translations lose either the poetry or the meaning of the original.
I'd love to see you guys analyze Behemoth's song "He Who Breeds Pestilence." There is a TON of biblical imagery, much more than most of the songs from The Satanist. Plus it has a lot of Latin; I know Vin in particular would have a lot of fun with that!
You. Have. GOT. To see Behemoth live. When the opportunity shows itself, go see them, really. The energy, the technical skill and the theatrics are out of this world. And I would also agree with a few people here that it would be great to see you guys react to some other common metal themes other than satanism. Like history, paganism etc. For some serious metal awesomeness try Amon Amarth Twilight Of The Thundergod!
The triangle represents fire alchemically, the fire in the middle is the black flame of lucifer. lucifer is also recognized in the occult as a god of illumination hence the light. swords are a symbol of change, power, and force while 3 is a number corresponding to the divine spark / what some would call the black flame. fire is also an element of change. so you see how it all plays in! glad to be of service
By the sounds and the way it was written it sounds more like the guy was trying to say that jesus died in vain in the sense that he died for our sins but we still fall into it as a base instinct of humanity as a whole.Not saying we all fall to it just suggesting how it could be from my point of view and how i understood it.
I cannot say it enough. The Black Dahlia Murder - Black Valor. This is one of the greatest american death metal bands of all time. They have 5 albums that topped billboard 50.
Perhaps it is time to try some Viking Metal. May I suggest Amon Amarth - Tattered Banners and Bloody Flags. It is just a good 'ol norse metal song. I think you two would dig it.
I think how Christianity came to be is simple it’s just anti Roman. Then over the years people just added things to it and also took from Greek mythology
I suppose the way you got offended by some parts of the lyrics and felt the need to boast a little and defend your faith at the end was Nergal's whole objective. I don't want to speak for him, but it makes complete sense, seeing this from a neutral point of view. You have to keep in mind that he obviously doesn't believe in the Christian faith, so he wouldn't care if all content is completely accurate, as long as it seems blasphemous and irritates religious people. Having said that, I agree that some of the lyrics may imply things that Nergal maybe wouldn't want to endorse himself (talking about the Sodom/Tribe of Judah thing when taken literally). Other than that, while I still have some issues with the good/evil, god's work/devil's work worldview of Christianity, thanks for doing the work and taking the time to explain the lyrics, this was really interesting.
The symbol for fire is the upright triangle or pyramid. Fire is the very element of action, energy, power, creativity,passion,desire,and sexuality...I think they've(or he) got it from Aleister Crowley.
This is just conjecture on my part as I don't know how Nergal sees this but maybe he's fully aware of the snake comparison/paradox you pointed out. He might very well see Satan as being deceitful and self serving but at least respect the fact that it's out there and known and not paraded as something it isn't. A weird form of honesty about the fact that you are dishonest? Whereas with God/Jesus, they are presented as pure and perfect meaning that if he feels they are also deceitful (as Nergal feels), there is an extra layer to it due to this image they portray. So by following Satan, you know what you're getting yourself into whereas those who follow God (who he sees as deceitful) are tricked into believing they are following this perfect figure. Again, this is one potential way to look at it which may or may not be correct but might change the way you look at the line.
There is a band called A Hill to Die Upon, they're similar stylistically to Behemoth, but they're all Christians. Check out their track "Satan Speaks."
I think the beginning is a bit based on Milton. You know in Paradise Lost where Adam sees the future and while being saddened by his fall(and Eve's), he also sees that his people live. Here it seems as if Satan is showing well someone else the future he sees. A bit of an inversion of what Milton wrote.
I saw that you really liked Holy War and you guys should really listen to Ingested and their most recent release from their new album, its a bit of a step up in terms of going from deathcore to slam metal. but the lyrics and the meaning and the music and the whole band are just amazing! the song is called "Purveyors pf truth" off their new album "the level above human"
The symbol to me(triangle with flame and sword) Is the perfect alchemic balance of sulfur (male/soul) and mercury (female/spirit)..slight variance to the Red Sulfur King.
FINALLY! I thought part 2 would be up shortly after part 1! Do Tonight in Flames by Cradle of Filth, Con Clavi Con Dio by Ghost, or Year Zero by Ghost for some satanic lyrics. You reacted to Square Hammer which is their most mainstream 'pop' song.
When he said "I saw the virgins cunt spawning forth the snake" it's a reference not to jesus being a snake, but to the woman cloathed with the sun spawning the savior and the great red dragon who is trying to devour the newborn messiah. I think there's a direct connection to the book of revelation there. Peace out!
I saw this a lot. Guys here is the answer. Why do people listen to black metal? Regardless of your personal opinion (I'm including myself) you can not take away feeling from someone. Black metal has a certain atmospheric quality. Even if it is a clone black metal band it still has that quality. It's a Euphoric expansive feeling on being and resolution. Coming to terms with death is a great way to get acquainted. People who have lost family or friends, been through tough times, attract to these songs. As Christians (NOT to insult) you have a natural concept of an afterlife. A continuation of experience and memory; Of feeling and life. Without bringing in conceptual understanding of finality and materialism, it seems that a lot of people are simply in denial about what Death really is. When you understand that when you die you dissolve back into nature, but your memories, and the impact of your actions stay, the world opens a Euphoric lens. Your life starts to feel like a movie, and motivation comes back, desire to create memories, and leave an impact kicks in. (Surely many Christians feel this way even with their denial of the observable realities of death.) But that is O.K. not everything is for everyone, and you should follow your own path regardless of your beliefs. All of that is my personal *opinion* of course.
Nice reaction guys i really like that you are breaking down and explaining the meaning of the lyrics. Broken flesh - Cries of the Dead is for sure something to react to
Would you answer one question for me? Do you believe there is any other sin that cannot be forgiven other than rejecting christ as your savior? I have an opinion but I'd like to here your thoughts.
leaves the 99 behind to save the one..... Except in this video Nergal is responsible for the one sheep that was lost, which is then killed at the end (Sacrificed?)
@VinAnd Sori Overall good analysis. When you were talking about them referring to God as a serpent. Funny enough he was actually referred to as such in the Bible in John 3:14, which is in reference to a passage in Numbers 21:4 - 9. The brass serpent or bronze serpent is a type of Christ in these passages coming in the 'likeness' of the flesh of sin as a sacrifice for sin. I don't think they had that in mind when they were making the lyrics for this song though.
Hey Guys... If your interested in Black Metal, you should check out " Emperor - I am the Black Wizards " , what is by far one of the most important Songs, coming from the norwegian Scene and Black Metal in General!
I’m not a theistic person, but I love Behemoth and I truly enjoy your explanations of Nergal’s biblical references. I hope you can interview him. On an unrelated note, does Sori happen to have a single sister? Lol.
You should check out Nergal's book "Confessions of a Heretic" great book and insight into Nergal's personal views and such. Easy to read because its broken down into a interview format
Oooo, more title cards. Is it wrong to say that I probably enjoy the Black Fire show the most? Nothing wrong with your other shows, I just get more excited for the songs featured on this show. Anyhoo, a fitting band for this show would be Deathspell Omega. The song I’d recommend is “Carnal Malefactor “.
It's pretty odd the vocal deliverance here is pretty weak, Amon Amarth would be much more appealing to them. And I enjoy Septic Flesh when it comes to satanic themed shit lol
I suggested Virtues of the Beast before, although I'm not sure that they are going to be into the band to much. Still, they are among my tops bands of all time.
there is a very good book from anne rice as part of the vampire chronicals called memnoc the devil.. it puts the satan character in a different light as someone who was pushed out from heaven because he didn't agree with the suffering of man... it's a very good read.. but to put the main story line in a bit more context its better to also read the previous books..but you could still read the book alone and enjoy the story
Also check out some more Ghost. (As a Christian myself)...I feel like if Lucifer had a favorite worship band, it'd be Ghost...because they have a very "churchy alternative worship" type of sound to them just like churches do today...so like as Christian's go to church and worship with those type of songs for God, Lucifer/people that ACTUALLY and intelligently worship satan...they'd just listen to Ghost for their own worship haha.
Preston B I like Ghost but I disagree with everything you said there. The music is just solid, fun 70s inspired, pop fuelled metal. Nothing wrong with that but in no way anything comparable to worship music.
Simon Harris yes it has a fun 70s vibe for sure. I'm meaning towards their lyrics/vocal style and lyric placement compared to alternative churches(younger generation worship songs)
You guys are awesome...lemme add to the stories..I got treated like the anti christ bacause I wore an ax7 tshirt to a church get together. I am a jesus follower and a sinner like everyone else. God knows your motives and heart behind things and I reject people's notion that they're is a way you have to do christianity.
Whether you like him or not Nergal is a very interesting and intelligent person. He’s not some weird dude that you’d expect. He’s witty and sharp and knows his shit.
the Leviathan line could also be referencing Hobbes 'Leviathan' when the Leviathan is the state and people, so maybe the image isn't the literal sea monster but the population of the world.
Great video as always :) PLEASE DO 'MESSE NOIRE' / 'FUROR DIVINUS' - BEHEMOTH OR 'CHAPEL OF GHOULS' / ' GOD OF EMPTINESS' - MORBID ANGEL (Trying caps to gain attention)
to my understanding the expansion of Christianity happened because the emperor Constantine decided that christianity should be the general religion of the roman empire to avoid fractioning the empire. Since all the different faiths could be condensed and parts of them into the christian doctrine, making it easier to manage all the regions.
Jesus is named 'the lion of the tribe of Judah.,' Rev5:5. I don't see the lyric about the destruction of Judah as being a slight against jews, so much as a slight against the other teams mascot. (UNRELATED) the monogram carved into the pig was a nice touch.
Crystal Mountain by Death This might be a bit offensive since the lyrical matter is about the lies of religion and using it as a weapon but you might appreciate it for the writing because it is written really well!
That’s amazing how you underestimate behemoth’s fans saying they’d probably don’t understand what the lyrics mean. I’m quite sure they understand better than a lot of Christians (like the woman beside you. Most of times she’s just pretending she got what you said). Despite of that, great video!
On a side note, speaking about the 12 apostles being burned, I had a thought. I wonder when Jesus walked and sought out each one of the 12 apostles, I wonder if he was seeking out descendants from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, so he could have each of the twelve tribes represented as believers in His being the Christ?
"Snuffed in vain" means that Jesus died to save humanity but we are far from being saved.
Which is incorrect.
Depending on your relationship with God, or lack thereof.
i think he means on the larger scale. not individual. humanity as a whole.the vast majority.so no he is actually correct
Barry Wagoner Yes lots of islam thumpers unfortunately.
Hey Zeus hmm.i never thought of it like that. yeah i see what you mean since they are one and the same. hmm wow
He's calling for war when he says "Blow your trumpets, Gabriel". "Let it come, I'm here."
Vin & Sori,
I grew up in a Christian home, went to church every Sunday and "youth group" every Wednesday. Throughout this time, I was a metalhead and because of that, I was often shunned in my church. Countless people would come up to me, or call me to try and "counsel me" on my musical choices. Regardless of the fact that albeit I was listening to metal, my spiritual growth never ceased, they still felt the urge to "correct my behavior". I post the lyrics to a song once (unfortunately don't remember the song) and I remember an Elder of my church reaching out to me saying he was concerned for me. What I couldn't wrap my head around then, and still can't to this day is how he felt justified in saying the music I enjoyed was going to condemn me to Hell, as essentially that was his message in the end.
After watching ALL of your videos, I've had a refreshed sense of Christianity and I can't describe how nice it is to see other's who believe what I believe but can still enjoy what I enjoy without thinking they're going to Hell for enjoying it. In one of your videos on Behemoth (not a huge fan of this band but it's the most opposite to Christianity, I chose to focus on it) Vin says: "Just because he's intending for these lyrics to be towards Satan, doesn't mean they have to be. They can easily be applied to God as well." This was probably my biggest point growing up; just because the lyrics say one thing, doesn't mean I apply them that way, or that I interpret them the same way the artist intended. I think that's the point of music, to use it however you can to help you through what you're going through. Truly, I doubt at the end of it all God is going to care if I listened to Slipknot all my life as long as I still believed in him, and lived a life for Christ.
Basically, I want to say thank you for being the open-minded Christians I know exist, but are too often misrepresented. I look forward to your future reviews and wish you both the best as you continue on. If I could make a request, listen to Motionless in White - Immaculate Misconception. I think it spells out what I'm trying to say perhaps better than I'm saying it.
God Bless
- Soulcrifice
Wow cool! I’m glad we could help u! Much love! -Sori✌🏻
Soulcrifice Sorry to here you were treated that way, most of our brothers and sisters are virtue signaling when we shouldn't seek glory but give our glory to god. And only assume Christians are going to hell for liking metal I would say if you still have that problem give then the lyrics to crown of thorns by for today then show them the music. God bless.
This is my point of views on music and being a Christian (I am a metalhead too, by the way)...
We are taught that we use our voices to glorify God, that is why we sing in church and all. If you choose music that has lyrics that, in a way, glorifies Satan, and you sing to it, you are choosing to glorify the evil one than God. I could be wrong about that, but I am not saying get away from metal, but be skeptical of what you listen to.
Vin and Sori make good points about interpretation of the lyrics and open-mindedness, but again, be skeptical of what you listen to and why you listen to it.
God bless.
I'm a devoted Christian who also happens to be goth. I've gotten the "we're concerned" speech from elders at my church too. I was even asked to step down from ministry (media) because the elders and pastors thought that my look was "too extreme". Even though I never came to church wearing a white face; the most I've ever done was wear black nail polish and black eyeliner, black clothes and maybe a few chains. I'm the kind of Christian who wants to break the christian culture bubble. It's not biblical, it's man-made. God made us to be free. He's called us to be the light in our dark world, not a bunch of cynical, judgmental cronies. Satan actually uses Christians like that to turn people away from God, and that's the sad part that they don't even realize. Too heavenly minded but no earthly good. Too many Pharisees in the church today.
Bryon Hutcheson What you said is all tragic and true. Have a good day.
Vin I think you underestimate those who listen to this music. Yes not everyone gets the lyrics but in my experience a lot do.
RevelationNone I too found it an ignorant comment.
From my experience Christians seem to be the least informed on biblical theology.
Panth Mantheon in general theology fascinates me. So naturally music dealing in those subjects I would gravitate to
RevelationNone why u guys pay so much attention to religion?? U need some George Carlin... My religion is one of the oldest, and our gods are most powerfull, and still i dont care... vin sori giving so much attention to this religious band, there might be some hidden agenda... u guys look like hardcore christians... !! I mean u guys willingly read and dug into the bible. I know bible talks a lot abt spirituality which is very accurate .. but talking abt jesus, satan, devil , is just religious talk...
Lalit Kumar in general I don't actually I don't care for the practice of religion but from an academic standpoint its fascinating
RevelationNone that is ok...but if bohemoth is your favourite band and u r listening 20 bohemoth songs everyday, then there's a problem....
Please dont use religion to earn ur bread and butter...and m requesting this to bohemoth and everyone here...its all business.... cHain of business...and this market must be closed..more people r killed in the name of god than any other reason..thou shall not give much importance to thy religion....and there is only one way to fix this- interracial marriage ... how can i Tinder chicks from other countries???
I figured the Snake came from Lilith, not Mary. As in the snake that tempted Eve, the fall of man.
Burzum - Det Som Engang Var (full version) /Mayhem - Illuminate Eliminate / Abbath - Fenrir Hunts /Mgla - Exercises In Futility V /Dimmu Borgir - Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny (with intro)...
Loki Hammerfall det som engang var used to be the song I would make love to with my lovely Imber. Too bad I lost her cause I'm a dumbass
It is Hell of a song...sorry to hear that.
I would have never expected Behemoth as a way to strengthen my faith and wanting to know more about the bible. But you guys just inspired me to do so! God bless you
Yayyyyy!!!!! ❤️😍-Sori✌🏻✌🏻
Recently discovered you guys through my interests in metal, and Behemoth specifically. Nice to see intelligent analysis and not reactions for shock value. Truly hope you get an interview/discussion with Nergal. I've personally met him a few times and he is honestly one of the more genuinely authentic and friendly people you could talk with. My only note of criticism would be the critique of Behemoth fans, I would say a great number of them do understand the lyrics and meanings.
Great work guys.
Appreciate that! Critique taken!
LMFAO.. this has been the longest you both have been silent
Hahahhaha I was laughed when I edited hahahha-Sori✌🏻
Don't be sorry! It just means that you were deep in thought!! That what I love about this channel!! Keep up the good work 😁👍
Damn,that was interesting af.I’d love to see that kind of analysis for the album title song,The Satanist.Cheers!
Soon
More Behemoth please. They are quite unique in genere. Try At The Left Hand Of God maybe next time? :) Or Lucifer!
VinAnd Sori yeah preety cool analysis this was the time I realised what the song was about also I'd love to see you guys react to *Chapel of Ghouls* by *Morbid Angel*
Hail Jyoti - how about Rapture instead? Good call on MA
SONOVMI lol jyoti is fake name😂😂 no chapel of ghouls *DEAD YOUR GOD IS DEAD* 🤘🤘
You should follow Nergal in instagram, he is extremely active on there. Very fun to watch his day to day antics
Patrick Sherwood he makes me want to be a metal musician but i cant growl. just sing in a sweet soprano. arg.
also on facebook.
@chromesthesia everybody can growl, you just have to practice and try.
Bartek S. i can for a little while but i am no Masha Scream
If it hurts - you're doing it wrong and you shouldn't do it this way (you have only one voice, be careful). I started practising 3 weeks ago and I can do it for hours. You have to use your false chords instead of your "true" chords which you use when you're talking. False chords are higher up in the throat. Also practice breathing, with a proper breath support you will be able to growl effortlessly. Breathe from your diaphragm, don't take too much air and don't put too much force into the growl. I watched and read tons of tutorials before I got the technique right, it may take a little while for you too.
Bartek S. My growl n low deep voice is down tight. I sometimes just recite lyrics randomly around ppl n their like wtf
Death-flesh and the power it holds
Another awesome video, you guys are killing it. It's sad that people are attacking you for making these videos, I think you are doing a great service and should be proud of what you are achieving. What other RUclips series can bring together Satanists and Christians to discuss great music and learn about the lyrics of the songs that we all love. I have learned so much since stumbling across this channel. In regards to Hail, a lot of us say it in a way of empowerment and praise. Hail Vin and Sori!
Great video guys. What I wanted to add about Nergal. I've been following him on various social media platforms for a couple of years and I red his book "Confessions Of A Heretic". He is not your average Black Metal Devil worshipper guy who prays to Satan. Ironically he isn't really a Satanist. He is very much an Atheist. He doesn't believe in ANY God or any higher power. He is not worshipping the devil but he is using Satanism as a tool to criticize the catholic church. I myself am very much of an Atheist too but I really admire the way you look at his art. Very educated and open-minded. Under no circumstance would I ever try to talk you of of what YOU believe in and I appreciate how you aren't doing it either!
exactly. couldn't agree more.
I think he is more anti religion, rather than anti Jesus.
@@tomklarks7312 Satanists are atheists.
Love your in depth reactions! Oh and Sori is still awesome.
Thx☺️-Sori🤟🏻
I CAN NOT BELIEVE i haven't seen a request for them to do Messe Noire...out of all the Behemoth songs with the most "far out" lyrics and of all the videos i believe they would be surprised by Messe Noire is at the TOP. I have only watched the reaction videos to the three Behemoth songs and i keep checking back waiting for them to do Messe Noire now THAT will make my day, WEEK EVEN! Great channel guys...i dont find much interesting but this def. is.
I think the song as a whole is a story of the crucifixion never taking place, someone stopped it. Hence the disciples burning. This entity that stopped it is looking down on Christ (I’m assuming he’s nearly dead) calling him the son of god out of mockery because he’s defenseless, snuffing in vein because this entity puts themselves on a higher level than him
I consider myself to be a fan of Behemoth, but not diving really deep into the lyrics like you do here. But thanks and salute for doing it and clearify stuff for me. Feel enlightened 😁😎.
Immortal - All Shall Fall 😈recommendable!
Vin and Sori i enjoy your videos. You too have helped me in my journey. I am one of those people that other Christians find out im into metal they try to change my music.
The satanist by behemoth please....
Blsir Mitchell bohemoth sucks...
My favorite from the album
Primus Sucks!
justin Parrish justin Bieber sucks
Lalit Kumar you need to have balls to listen behemoth, grow them and then talk
As far as i know the flame sigil is the idea of Lucifer and Prometheus being the same kind of character the one who brings enlightenment to humanity. Whether enlightenment means original sin to you is up for debate.... You two are awesome
black flame of illumination ;)
The reason most satanists say "hail" to one another is because Satan is the spirit that lives within us, our human spirit and needs. The seven deadly sins are representative of the devil and our human nature as one
Nergal included a bible verse with this song in the album. Shall a trumpet be blown in a city and the people not afraid? Shall evil be done in a city that the lord thy God has not committed.
18:35 In christian mythology Leviathan is said to devours sinners at the Last Judgment. So because Gabriel blowing his trumpets also meaning the Day of Reckoning has come, what the lyrics propably mean is that Jesus (the bread) is fed to the Leviathan because he's a sinner.
Behemoth is awsome! Great video guys 👍🏼
I think you guys would have a field day with Ihsahn. Ihsahn was probably the most recognizable name in black metal (one of the founders of the notorious and legendary band, Emperor) but he's also one of the most erudite, intellectual black metal artists out there. His stuff is melodic and at time beautiful. Dark and at time disturbing at times but beautiful nonethless. His lyricism is also incredibly smart and thought provoking. I think you guys would enjoy it both sonically and lyrically, especially for a Black Fire review.
I would also encourage you guys to check out some of the documentary's out there on youtube about Black Metal and why it came to be and the intense hatred for the christian church that it was born out of. And while the actions of these angry kids is not to be defended (church burnings, killings etc) there is something behind that rage where the people of Norway felt their ancient traditions and way of life was being forcibly taken from them. Its such a fascinating and ultimately sad story.
Satanism is at the very root (as I understand it) about empowering of one's self. Its at its core a selfish religion (not really meant as an insult per say). That being said it doesn't necessarily mean that they are terrible, hateful, blemishes on society. Nergal seems a pretty good example of the value of religions that we may not agree with and may not understand, even if they happen to be in complete opposition to our own. So in answer to the question posed, no I don't think he would be cool with raping anyone even if they are weaker. As I understand it, in satanism if someone is weaker it doesn't mean they are open season for any sort of atrocity imaginable. It simply means that if they are weak, and you are strong, then you are of more value. I suppose you could take that to the extreme, but I don't believe thats at all the intent. Apologies if I get any of this wrong, I've endeavored to learn as much as I can about satanism but there is alot of misinformation and misrepresentation out there. So feel free to correct if I get anything wrong.
Great breakdown guys.
No apologies necessary I think you’re spot on and for some thoughts on black metal in Norway check out the ora pro nobis react!
I just saw Ihsahn in Sydney last Saturday. Phenomenal. Loved him since Emperor. He played mostly solo stuff (which I love), but dropped in a few Emperor tracks too.
MERCYFUL FATE - Desecration of Souls
Early "satanic" metal, quite influential, and musically very much worth listening to. Cheers from this new sub.
Melissa---> Come to the Sabbath---> Is That You, Melissa. The Melissa trilogy, unless there are more Melissa songs Im not thinking of?
as a child I was indoctrinated in the teachings of born again evangelical Christianity, so the bible was imprinted in my mind forever. later when I left that doctrine and rebelled in listened to behemoth it made sense many of what nergal was writing about and especially in "the Satanist". fun fact: nergal is not the main lyricist, he shares that with Krystof Azarewicz, who has contributed the lyrics for behemoth's most popular songs
Vin @27:22 re David: “He was a metalhead for sure.” 😁🤟🤟
I think you should also definitely check Jesu Død / Jesus’ Tod by Burzum, too.
Dimmu Borgir - The sacrilegius scorn, or Kings of the carnival creation, or Sorgens kammer del 2! Or any Dimmu B song plz :)
I don't think there is a point to suggesting songs like Sorgens kammer. The video would be pretty short if they could not do lyrics analysis and I doubt Vin and Sori know Norwegian.
Sathriel Satanson good point!
I was debating suggesting bands like Elend or Haggard but it's difficult if the lyrics are in 3 different languages. Of course there are translations but they are rarely done by professional translators and even then translations lose either the poetry or the meaning of the original.
Still waiting for that Nergal interview.
Me toooooo!!!! -Sori✌🏻
I'd love to see you guys analyze Behemoth's song "He Who Breeds Pestilence." There is a TON of biblical imagery, much more than most of the songs from The Satanist. Plus it has a lot of Latin; I know Vin in particular would have a lot of fun with that!
You. Have. GOT. To see Behemoth live. When the opportunity shows itself, go see them, really. The energy, the technical skill and the theatrics are out of this world.
And I would also agree with a few people here that it would be great to see you guys react to some other common metal themes other than satanism. Like history, paganism etc.
For some serious metal awesomeness try Amon Amarth Twilight Of The Thundergod!
The triangle represents fire alchemically, the fire in the middle is the black flame of lucifer. lucifer is also recognized in the occult as a god of illumination hence the light. swords are a symbol of change, power, and force while 3 is a number corresponding to the divine spark / what some would call the black flame. fire is also an element of change. so you see how it all plays in! glad to be of service
By the sounds and the way it was written it sounds more like the guy was trying to say that jesus died in vain in the sense that he died for our sins but we still fall into it as a base instinct of humanity as a whole.Not saying we all fall to it just suggesting how it could be from my point of view and how i understood it.
I cannot say it enough. The Black Dahlia Murder - Black Valor. This is one of the greatest american death metal bands of all time. They have 5 albums that topped billboard 50.
You could always read his book. Nergal is a really smart guy who says he would have been a museum curator if he didn't do music
Perhaps it is time to try some Viking Metal. May I suggest Amon Amarth - Tattered Banners and Bloody Flags. It is just a good 'ol norse metal song. I think you two would dig it.
I think how Christianity came to be is simple it’s just anti Roman. Then over the years people just added things to it and also took from Greek mythology
Tim Seeno Anti-roman? Catholicism.
@@definitelynotatroll285 irony
I suppose the way you got offended by some parts of the lyrics and felt the need to boast a little and defend your faith at the end was Nergal's whole objective. I don't want to speak for him, but it makes complete sense, seeing this from a neutral point of view. You have to keep in mind that he obviously doesn't believe in the Christian faith, so he wouldn't care if all content is completely accurate, as long as it seems blasphemous and irritates religious people.
Having said that, I agree that some of the lyrics may imply things that Nergal maybe wouldn't want to endorse himself (talking about the Sodom/Tribe of Judah thing when taken literally).
Other than that, while I still have some issues with the good/evil, god's work/devil's work worldview of Christianity, thanks for doing the work and taking the time to explain the lyrics, this was really interesting.
Good review if our review
Thanks, I try. :)
The symbol for fire is the upright triangle or pyramid. Fire is the very element of action, energy, power, creativity,passion,desire,and sexuality...I think they've(or he) got it from Aleister Crowley.
Oooohhh. I thought it was Saturday? Right on 🤟
Yup !!
VinAnd Sori HAILS 🤟 😂
I’m seeing Behemoth with Slayer on Saturday. If I see Nergal I’ll tell him about you guys
This is just conjecture on my part as I don't know how Nergal sees this but maybe he's fully aware of the snake comparison/paradox you pointed out. He might very well see Satan as being deceitful and self serving but at least respect the fact that it's out there and known and not paraded as something it isn't. A weird form of honesty about the fact that you are dishonest? Whereas with God/Jesus, they are presented as pure and perfect meaning that if he feels they are also deceitful (as Nergal feels), there is an extra layer to it due to this image they portray. So by following Satan, you know what you're getting yourself into whereas those who follow God (who he sees as deceitful) are tricked into believing they are following this perfect figure. Again, this is one potential way to look at it which may or may not be correct but might change the way you look at the line.
Also, I hope I'm bumping Agalloch - In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion a little further up the queue with all this ;)
Yeah! let me help you bump Agalloch up the queue :-)
Simon Harris -' Spawning forth the snake' - meaning that christ is deceitful. You nailed it. They nailed that snake in the end (in the story). \m/
There is a band called A Hill to Die Upon, they're similar stylistically to Behemoth, but they're all Christians.
Check out their track "Satan Speaks."
We definitely will !
Yeah the lyrics are based off a poem C.S. Lewis wrote.
I think the beginning is a bit based on Milton. You know in Paradise Lost where Adam sees the future and while being saddened by his fall(and Eve's), he also sees that his people live. Here it seems as if Satan is showing well someone else the future he sees. A bit of an inversion of what Milton wrote.
Good call !
I think that if you want to understand Nergal, and his music better, then you need to read occult, satanic literature, and See their perspective.
Ah, ok cool thanks
Great reaction guys
Cradle of Filth - Rape and Ruin of Angels, Queen of Winter Throned... some of the best lyrics out there
I saw that you really liked Holy War and you guys should really listen to Ingested and their most recent release from their new album, its a bit of a step up in terms of going from deathcore to slam metal. but the lyrics and the meaning and the music and the whole band are just amazing! the song is called "Purveyors pf truth" off their new album "the level above human"
The symbol to me(triangle with flame and sword) Is the perfect alchemic balance of sulfur (male/soul) and mercury (female/spirit)..slight variance to the Red Sulfur King.
Draconian- Heaven laid in tears
I've seen this request popping up - hope it gets listed.
FINALLY! I thought part 2 would be up shortly after part 1! Do Tonight in Flames by Cradle of Filth, Con Clavi Con Dio by Ghost, or Year Zero by Ghost for some satanic lyrics. You reacted to Square Hammer which is their most mainstream 'pop' song.
When he said "I saw the virgins cunt spawning forth the snake" it's a reference not to jesus being a snake, but to the woman cloathed with the sun spawning the savior and the great red dragon who is trying to devour the newborn messiah. I think there's a direct connection to the book of revelation there. Peace out!
Behemoth - christians to the lions would be appropriate foe the next one ;)
It's funny. Nergal was asked about the first line and his answer was "I wanted to come back with a f*cking intense line to start things off
I saw this a lot. Guys here is the answer. Why do people listen to black metal? Regardless of your personal opinion (I'm including myself) you can not take away feeling from someone. Black metal has a certain atmospheric quality. Even if it is a clone black metal band it still has that quality. It's a Euphoric expansive feeling on being and resolution. Coming to terms with death is a great way to get acquainted. People who have lost family or friends, been through tough times, attract to these songs. As Christians (NOT to insult) you have a natural concept of an afterlife. A continuation of experience and memory; Of feeling and life. Without bringing in conceptual understanding of finality and materialism, it seems that a lot of people are simply in denial about what Death really is. When you understand that when you die you dissolve back into nature, but your memories, and the impact of your actions stay, the world opens a Euphoric lens. Your life starts to feel like a movie, and motivation comes back, desire to create memories, and leave an impact kicks in. (Surely many Christians feel this way even with their denial of the observable realities of death.) But that is O.K. not everything is for everyone, and you should follow your own path regardless of your beliefs. All of that is my personal *opinion* of course.
Quality content right here!!
Nice reaction guys i really like that you are breaking down and explaining the meaning of the lyrics. Broken flesh - Cries of the Dead is for sure something to react to
The flame in the triangle is the alchemist symbol for fire
Would you answer one question for me? Do you believe there is any other sin that cannot be forgiven other than rejecting christ as your savior? I have an opinion but I'd like to here your thoughts.
leaves the 99 behind to save the one.....
Except in this video Nergal is responsible for the one sheep that was lost, which is then killed at the end (Sacrificed?)
Agalloch - In The Shadow of our Pale Companion!
Lucas Vaz yes! Ive been asking for this one too!
6:02 could also mean that the 12 disciples burned in hell.
Watain woud be your biggest challange, by far. Love your video's and views. Cheers from Holland
Got one I think you will like.
Anathema = Internal Landscapes
The song is what I want my outro music to be.
I don't know if anyone else commented on this but the symbol at the beginning is the symbol for Prometheus.
@VinAnd Sori
Overall good analysis. When you were talking about them referring to God as a serpent. Funny enough he was actually referred to as such in the Bible in John 3:14, which is in reference to a passage in Numbers 21:4 - 9. The brass serpent or bronze serpent is a type of Christ in these passages coming in the 'likeness' of the flesh of sin as a sacrifice for sin.
I don't think they had that in mind when they were making the lyrics for this song though.
Hey Guys... If your interested in Black Metal, you should check out " Emperor - I am the Black Wizards " , what is by far one of the most important Songs, coming from the norwegian Scene and Black Metal in General!
I’m not a theistic person, but I love Behemoth and I truly enjoy your explanations of Nergal’s biblical references. I hope you can interview him.
On an unrelated note, does Sori happen to have a single sister? Lol.
He’s very friendly and active online maybe a posted discussion or debate would be fun
Adam "Nergal" Darski holds a Master's degree in History from the University of Gdansk (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Gda%C5%84sk).
You should check out Nergal's book "Confessions of a Heretic" great book and insight into Nergal's personal views and such. Easy to read because its broken down into a interview format
Lol... When Jesus made his debut... "iiiinntroducing.. your savior... your lord.. the one.. the only... Jeeeeesuuuuus!!" **crickets**
Gabriel is God's left hand. Gabriel blowing his trumpet signifies the end of the world.
I think the wolf represents the fear they use to pull you in. And the man is trying to save the lamb.
Oooo, more title cards. Is it wrong to say that I probably enjoy the Black Fire show the most? Nothing wrong with your other shows, I just get more excited for the songs featured on this show.
Anyhoo, a fitting band for this show would be Deathspell Omega. The song I’d recommend is “Carnal Malefactor “.
I've been pushing for Deathspell Omega pretty hard, particularly the Kénôse EP, and Solda Fide II but Carnal Malefactor would be a great one too.
There’s some badass riffs on Sola Fide. And Kenose I has some crazy atmosphere.
Keep pushing u all...the list is huge!! -Sori✌🏻
Subbed, I like your perspective on the Theology of these songs.
Amon Amarth - Slaves of fear (I agree with that other dude time to give y'all a break from the Satan stuff
It's pretty odd the vocal deliverance here is pretty weak, Amon Amarth would be much more appealing to them. And I enjoy Septic Flesh when it comes to satanic themed shit lol
I suggested Virtues of the Beast before, although I'm not sure that they are going to be into the band to much. Still, they are among my tops bands of all time.
there is a very good book from anne rice as part of the vampire chronicals called memnoc the devil.. it puts the satan character in a different light as someone who was pushed out from heaven because he didn't agree with the suffering of man... it's a very good read.. but to put the main story line in a bit more context its better to also read the previous books..but you could still read the book alone and enjoy the story
Forgot to mention this on the Ne Obliviscaris video; check out Allegaeon if you like progressive stuff
"When Life Meant More"
or
"Awaken the Dreamers"
by All Shall Perish
you won't be disappointed my homies
Also check out some more Ghost. (As a Christian myself)...I feel like if Lucifer had a favorite worship band, it'd be Ghost...because they have a very "churchy alternative worship" type of sound to them just like churches do today...so like as Christian's go to church and worship with those type of songs for God, Lucifer/people that ACTUALLY and intelligently worship satan...they'd just listen to Ghost for their own worship haha.
Preston B I like Ghost but I disagree with everything you said there. The music is just solid, fun 70s inspired, pop fuelled metal. Nothing wrong with that but in no way anything comparable to worship music.
Simon Harris yes it has a fun 70s vibe for sure. I'm meaning towards their lyrics/vocal style and lyric placement compared to alternative churches(younger generation worship songs)
You guys are awesome...lemme add to the stories..I got treated like the anti christ bacause I wore an ax7 tshirt to a church get together. I am a jesus follower and a sinner like everyone else. God knows your motives and heart behind things and I reject people's notion that they're is a way you have to do christianity.
Awesome analyzation of the song. wow. I would love to see you two chat with nergal.
Whether you like him or not Nergal is a very interesting and intelligent person. He’s not some weird dude that you’d expect. He’s witty and sharp and knows his shit.
the Leviathan line could also be referencing Hobbes 'Leviathan' when the Leviathan is the state and people, so maybe the image isn't the literal sea monster but the population of the world.
Vin seems like the kind of guy that laughs at Nergal's lyrics but would get mad once he enters into a conversation with Nergal 😂
That symbol is the element of "Sulfur"
Behold the bearer of light by inferi
Great video as always :) PLEASE DO 'MESSE NOIRE' / 'FUROR DIVINUS' - BEHEMOTH OR 'CHAPEL OF GHOULS' / ' GOD OF EMPTINESS' - MORBID ANGEL (Trying caps to gain attention)
to my understanding the expansion of Christianity happened because the emperor Constantine decided that christianity should be the general religion of the roman empire to avoid fractioning the empire. Since all the different faiths could be condensed and parts of them into the christian doctrine, making it easier to manage all the regions.
Ben Sahar by Behemoth will definitely be an interesting review. Super poetic and thought provoking
Jesus is named 'the lion of the tribe of Judah.,' Rev5:5. I don't see the lyric about the destruction of Judah as being a slight against jews, so much as a slight against the other teams mascot. (UNRELATED) the monogram carved into the pig was a nice touch.
AT LONG LAST! It’s been 84 years
Hahha was it? Lol -Sori🤟🏻
Crystal Mountain by Death
This might be a bit offensive since the lyrical matter is about the lies of religion and using it as a weapon but you might appreciate it for the writing because it is written really well!
Yalls interpretations are profound!!!
Appreciate that
The Triangle with the flames - Symbolize in part *The Temple ov Infernal Fire*
That’s amazing how you underestimate behemoth’s fans saying they’d probably don’t understand what the lyrics mean.
I’m quite sure they understand better than a lot of Christians (like the woman beside you. Most of times she’s just pretending she got what you said).
Despite of that, great video!
On a side note, speaking about the 12 apostles being burned, I had a thought. I wonder when Jesus walked and sought out each one of the 12 apostles, I wonder if he was seeking out descendants from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, so he could have each of the twelve tribes represented as believers in His being the Christ?
This is SO COOL.