What Should I Look For In A Back Saw

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  • Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025

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  • @LaraCroftCP
    @LaraCroftCP Месяц назад +2

    I have only four backsaws. A tuned up gent saw i made a real handle for, shortened the blade and put nice brass hardware on (my dovetail saw) a carcass saw i found for no money in my secound Hand shop where i still have to make a handle for (for my general joinery) a strraight gent saw i will also make a propper handle for and a gent saw wit a sideset handle, ideal for cutting off long dowels on big flat surfaces.

  • @thebulletproofpoet1744
    @thebulletproofpoet1744 Год назад +3

    Sawdust fills the air,
    Wood shavings fly everywhere,
    Crafting with great care.

  • @jrherman3rd
    @jrherman3rd Год назад +5

    I have several back saws. Old ones with brass backs, new ones with reworked handles. But my absolute go to sash saw that I reach for all the time is a $5 no name, steel backed junk store find. After I got all the rust and grime off of it and sharpened it, it cuts like a dream. I really wanted to hate this saw but, I love it so much. Personality wins out over beauty in the long run every time (In life and saws.)

  • @jflemingsandiego
    @jflemingsandiego Год назад +3

    I bought three or four used saws for the purpose of learning to sharpen saws. If I succeed, then I end up with some nice saws. If I fail, then I still had good practice. I used the price of a Lee Valley saw as a gauge line on price. I never went over 2/3 the price of a comparable Lee Valley saw.

  • @skippylippy547
    @skippylippy547 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks James! I learned a lot of new things via this video.
    I recently purchased a 2-saw package from Lee Valley. A Veritas dovetail saw and a Veritas cross-cut saw.
    I just started learning handsaw techniques and having so much fun with it!

  • @jimcarter4929
    @jimcarter4929 Год назад +1

    Over time sash saws have become my favorite saws. Have both rip and crosscut in sixteen inch.

  • @professor62
    @professor62 Год назад +1

    I just want to say what an excellent and helpful video this is! You cleared up a lot things for me concerning backsaws. So thank you, James!

  • @JustinArrington
    @JustinArrington Год назад +1

    Comment down below. Did I do it right?

  • @apocosy
    @apocosy Год назад +1

    Got an old Bishop adjustable for $35, absolutely love it.

  • @bluesideup007
    @bluesideup007 Год назад +1

    Nice job James. I'd like to see a video on straightening a saw blade (hammering, etc), and another on the more technical aspects of saw sharpening.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      Here you go ruclips.net/video/cyuf6ZT8KpE/видео.htmlsi=ZefnHGkAULKsdCai. I also have a whole pile of videos on sharpening saws. But I'm thinking about doing another series of fun on them here soon.

  • @g1mpster
    @g1mpster Год назад +1

    Good video. Would’ve like to hear your thoughts on straight vs tapered. It looked like you had a tapered saw at the end.

  • @michaelhenderson4706
    @michaelhenderson4706 Год назад +1

    Shannon Rogers is a total badass! I'd love to hear you two talk about hand tools together! Y'know, a quick little 40 episode podcast or something ;)

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      we had talked about a hand tool podcast. maybe some day.

  • @iainmcculloch5807
    @iainmcculloch5807 Год назад +3

    Great video, as always. I did Rex's suggested mods to the S&J tenon saw, and I honestly really like the end result. It cuts surprisingly well (especially when compared to how it cut when I first got it). It feels good in my hand, and is an absolute joy to use. I also really liked the price! (Although, having said all that, I still do about 70% of my saw-work with Japanese saws.)

  • @MrDaveNG
    @MrDaveNG Год назад +1

    I almost always use my Veritas dovetail saw or my Pax gents saw - sometimes my band saw and coping saw 😂

  • @kencarlile1212
    @kencarlile1212 Год назад +1

    I've bought a couple of small-maker, "premium" saws--mainly because they were pretty.

  • @upsidedowndog1256
    @upsidedowndog1256 Год назад +1

    Nice video. I am glad I now know not to look for an old one!

  • @Sawtooth70
    @Sawtooth70 Год назад +1

    Another informative video and very entertaining. Thank you.

  • @grahamparker593
    @grahamparker593 Год назад +1

    So much value here! I learned by having saws that dont fit great haha. Fortunately i have a friend learning to make them so i have gotten to help customize my own prototype!

  • @dandelie2067
    @dandelie2067 Год назад +1

    I would like to know more about how to shape a saw handle. I have 3 Lynx saws. I am totally not experienced enough yet.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      I have videos on reshaping then and making them from scratch. I linked them in the comments if you want to see them.

  • @michaelcurry8905
    @michaelcurry8905 Год назад +1

    The next step up in size for backsaws is the miter, or miter box, saw. I really like my restored Harvey Peace carcase/sash saw, mostly because when I restored it I customized it for my hand. My Rob Cosman dovetail saw is my go to saw for dovetails, though.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      I thought about including the miter saw. But it's in its own weird class. Lol

  • @tatehogan5685
    @tatehogan5685 Год назад +1

    I've been wanting a very nice saw like the rob cosman dovetail saw... just that darned budget thing I have to deal with haha

  • @alvagoldbook2
    @alvagoldbook2 Год назад +1

    I got an old vintage backsaw that was restored from a shop in the UK. Got it for only 10 bucks. The shipping to the USA cost more than the saw. I really like it, but I find for most of my handsaw work I just grab my Irwin Japanese style pull saws.

  • @benjaminpobanz3556
    @benjaminpobanz3556 Год назад +1

    This is the video I needed! I have a veritas dovetail, and am trying to get some other backsaws. Thanks!

  • @מעייןהמלבלבתחייםםםם

    Well i have got few my first was Spear& Jackson which Rex did video on RUclips made a new handle for it because the new good once are very expensive and the old ones in good condition sometimes more so i am finding my equilibrium by by buying old one that needs some love to give to and you have top quality saw with history behind and history to be made. My oldest is Thomas Flinn from the 1920s (Sheffield) and i love the balance of it...and because you don't like the gent's saw i have decided to buy a new one Thomas Flinn also from Sheffield 😊

  • @marcbarash6045
    @marcbarash6045 Год назад +1

    Thanks James

  • @larryohara6513
    @larryohara6513 Год назад +1

    Very informative. Thank you.

  • @PedroPereira-ut6pp
    @PedroPereira-ut6pp Год назад +1

    Thanks James!! Cheers

  • @romanprekop6613
    @romanprekop6613 Год назад +2

    I would break my back to get one of those

  • @patseevers262
    @patseevers262 Год назад +1

    Looking for my first non gent style saw, lots of good advice here. Thanks

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад

      I use gent or conventional dovetail saws interchangeably. Some great woodworkers use gent saws, Frank Strazza comes to mind foremost.

    • @patseevers262
      @patseevers262 Год назад

      @@jimcarter4929 I seem to struggle tying to hold any kind of consistent angle with the round handle.

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад

      Once you have established shallow top cut drop handle of saw down and follow line until angle set then level saw and cut to depth. When you angle down there is less plate in kerf and you are able to guide saw. Once kerf and angle are established it is easy to saw to depth. @@patseevers262

  • @KillerDonkey100
    @KillerDonkey100 Год назад +2

    I'm still somewhat new to woodworking, and all I've used si far are relatively cheap (

    • @michaelhenderson4706
      @michaelhenderson4706 Год назад +3

      I made the decision to give western saws a go after a good couple of years using Japanese pull saws: they take some getting used to, but I've really been loving them (picked up a few of the Veritas saws.) They cut way quicker and I find I only really need to line up the first, maybe second strokes to get a nice, straight full length cut. It's butter after that. For myself, at least, the longer it takes to saw, the more chance I'll introduce curves and gaps into my joinery. That being said, I still use my ryoba all the time :)

  • @kennethnielsen3864
    @kennethnielsen3864 Год назад +1

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @josephglover8541
    @josephglover8541 Год назад +1

    Thanks

  • @skiphayes1795
    @skiphayes1795 Год назад +1

    I tend to like Lynx saws. Have a couple of them

  • @danielfasang4983
    @danielfasang4983 Год назад +1

    So far I only have a dovetail saw but I love it and find that I´m actually more comfortabel with western saws than japanese saws. So again a great video just at the right moment. Really was considering getting the Veritas tenon saw but now I´m back on track to buying an old one. Thanks a lot for the video and keep up the great work. Your the best (on youtube)

  • @cuttersmith699
    @cuttersmith699 Год назад +1

    Great video thanks for always putting informative and in-depth perspectives out there

  • @dougwagner607
    @dougwagner607 Год назад +1

    Another authoritative video on an entire family of tools. TY James. Question, when undertaking to redo a saw handle from scratch what are the recommended angles for the handles. I know a panel saw handle would need a different angle than a Carcase saw, but how would one even measure the angle?

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      I would go look at the templates that Blackburn tool works offers on their site. They have tons of great information

  • @JackFright
    @JackFright Год назад +1

    Another great video. I ended up with that Spear and Jackson (Lynx, Pax, Crown equivalent). I'll be messing with the handle soon. Rex's template will help. And Paul Sellers' video (as mentioned below) was great, too. Maybe someday I'll go so far as to create a whole handle like you did with the live oak.

  • @thegingerdrumtech4253
    @thegingerdrumtech4253 Год назад +1

    commenting below. . . . . also have a question, can you do a video explaining the difference from a chisel and a Slick please. because im not sure at what point a chisel is called a slick. many thanks and keep up the great work.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      that is a gray sliding scale. usually the thing is that the slick is longer and most of the time at least 2" wide. if it is narrower then that and still long it might be referred to as a framing chisel. but with all of these there is no hard line to the naming. some fall right in the middle and could be eather depending on who you talk to.

  • @choffee
    @choffee Год назад +1

    Coincidentally Shawn Skelton who makes saws in the UK did a talk for Bench Talk 101 yesterday. He had a lot of good info on the way he builds saws and the reasoning behind it. (RUclips video will be up soon I think)

    • @williamn01
      @williamn01 Год назад

      I forgot that was on , will give it a watch over the weekend , I've got 8 of Shane's saws and you won't get better I've used most and these blow everything out the water .

  • @ChrisStCyr-gnt7
    @ChrisStCyr-gnt7 Год назад +1

    I saw another comment about miter saws. A couple decades ago I purchased a fancy Master Mechanic miter saw box, the kind that allows one to set it for any angle. It did not come with a saw so I purchased a MM “miter saw.” I noticed there was a Diston (sp?) on the next peg that looked identical except the price which was much more. So is a “miter saw” belong in another type of back saw category, or is it its own category?
    I think I own a number of vintage hand tools now. Except for those I inherited from my Dad, the rest I purchased new.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      I general I would put it in it's own category as it would only be used in a box. I thought of mentioning it but decided not to.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Год назад +1

    Thanks a bunch for all the tips, James! 😊
    I have an excellent back saw here... I don't even know what kind, but it's soooo good that I'm going to cut it to make other tools, like scrapers and scratch stocks. 🤨
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @Blackys-Boy
    @Blackys-Boy Год назад +1

    nice folded saw back! :D

  • @VidarSrvik
    @VidarSrvik 7 месяцев назад +1

    Good one James, very enjoyable video. 👍🏻
    I have heard good things about Blue Spruce Toolworks’ saws. Maybe you can consider visiting them for a later video?

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  7 месяцев назад +1

      Yes. They started that when they brought on Jared green. He does amazing work. I've got a couple of his saws before he went to Blue spruce.

  • @DraganIlich-r1s
    @DraganIlich-r1s 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you ve🎉ry much Sir.🎉

  • @Fusion_Woodworking
    @Fusion_Woodworking Год назад +5

    I saw what you’ve done here.

  • @davidlynn7161
    @davidlynn7161 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the great information, I took notes. And comment down below, because I'm one of those people.

  • @gordonmccall5263
    @gordonmccall5263 Год назад +1

    Comment down below!

  • @ryanashbaugh1748
    @ryanashbaugh1748 Год назад +1

    Great video!! Thanks!!

  • @DetroitSicilian
    @DetroitSicilian Год назад +1

    Appreciate this video!

  • @glencrandall7051
    @glencrandall7051 Год назад +1

    My head is spinning from all the choices.🙃🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад

      If you are just starting out I would get Spear and Jackson twelve inch back saw and contrary to what James says a Crown ten inch dovetail. These will get you started for little money with saws that are pretty much ready to work.Will do most of your beginner small projects. Then a couple hand saws. James is the only one I know who is considering cutting dovetails in the dark. Using to cut with gents saw will teach you hand and eye control, due to the higher learning curve. Just get a wide piece of pine and start practicing cutting to the line.

  • @Gobagool
    @Gobagool Год назад +1

    Comment down below!
    Thank you for this video! You are always so informative and no nonsense. That’s what I appreciates about you.

  • @sal1964
    @sal1964 Год назад +1

    I have trouble sharpening a saw just can't get it right

  • @dennismeko
    @dennismeko Год назад +1

    I’m backing you.

  • @RYwoodview
    @RYwoodview Год назад +1

    No problem with sound for me now. The fit of a handsaw is very important. Other things matter too. Though you point out that an antique handsaw isn't necessarily well-patterned or built, I'm restoring my great-great-grandfather's saws & planes, which I will absolutely use even if they don't fit perfectly.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      The antiques are great saws most of the time but when it comes to back saws they often cost as much as or more then the new ones.

    • @RYwoodview
      @RYwoodview Год назад +1

      @@WoodByWrightHowTo Good point: Inheritance is free!

  • @LoganLoggingOn
    @LoganLoggingOn Год назад +2

    I have a gents saw, good blade and cuts well, but…. That handle is sub par. I have considered pulling the handle off and remarking it as a normal saw. Do ya think that would be worth it?

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      I have seen a few people do that.

    • @jerrygillette854
      @jerrygillette854 Год назад +1

      I recently did that with an older Craftsman dovetail saw. Downloaded the handle pattern from Blackburn tools, and ordered some sawnuts from the site as well. It was to thick of a plate to be a good dovetail saw, but it works good as a small carcass saw. Resharpened to a crosscut pattern. A very good learning experience.

    • @LoganLoggingOn
      @LoganLoggingOn Год назад +1

      I may do it, I got some cherry I plan on using for plane handles, so I might as well make it, the gent saw is on the smaller size, but still would be better then what I got

  • @warrenmunn3224
    @warrenmunn3224 Год назад +1

    Is that Tenon Saw from the Mitre Saw? If so I can vouch for the fact you need to have muscles to use it, there is ZERO need to "force" the saw into the cut, it does it all on it's own. You need to hold it off the work piece not push it in.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      No the miter saw is its own weird thing. I thought about talking about it but decided not to. It is much much larger than the tenon saw. And the miter saw really can't be used effectively outside of the miter box.

  • @steh8217
    @steh8217 Год назад +1

    I'm just in the middle of making a sash saw. Sadly I couldn't find a folded back near me so I went with slotted. Do you have much experience with those that are just glued in place without screws and plugs etc? Is there much difference?

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      For general function gluing it in places perfectly fine. You just have to be a little more careful with it.

  • @ljlatorre1943
    @ljlatorre1943 Год назад +3

    Perhaps it's just me James but I'm not getting any sound

    • @aaronrowe9479
      @aaronrowe9479 Год назад +1

      No sound for me either

    • @BenWJackson8
      @BenWJackson8 Год назад +1

      I had same issue then reloaded and it works now

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      sometimes that happens when the video is first uploaded.

  • @Mike-pr8hx
    @Mike-pr8hx Год назад +1

    Comment down below. ✌
    Thanks for demystifying the terminology.

  • @chrischute
    @chrischute Год назад +1

    Great video

  • @willdowning1354
    @willdowning1354 Год назад +1

    I really like my current saws that I have a fortune in, but now I am paranoid about kinking. I have all of Cosman’s saws and the backs are cut and pinned. I haven’t had it happening yet but now after watching your video I feel like the next time I pick up one of my backsaws it’s going to kink. What would you say someone would be doing to cause your saw to kink?

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      Usually it's the arm being out of alignment or the board pinching. Most the time it's just going too fast and pushing too hard.

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад +1

      I personally would never buy a back saw that wasn't folded back.

  • @Josh_M556
    @Josh_M556 Год назад +1

    As always, great video. 👍

  • @jons2447
    @jons2447 Год назад +1

    Hey, James, here's my "comment down below"!
    Thank you for another great video AND for all you do!
    BTW, I need some info on a new Stanley block plane that won't cut.
    Can I contact you? (I have your email, I just *hate* to write to folks I don't know.)
    Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!

  • @ianpearse4480
    @ianpearse4480 Год назад +1

    I saw, Esaw , sitting on a seesaw, well nearly. LOL. I love saws. Restoring them is so much fun and affordable even though I am not any good at that yet. Crafting a fitted handle is so cool. I must have a go at that on a better blade some day. A good strong back is so important for walking or aping around.

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian Год назад +1

    The biggest backsaw I have is a miter saw. The blade is 24 inches long, and is used in a "miter box," one of the type with a rotating frame that can be set to a specific angle for the miter cut, and the back of the saw slides within. The saw is really heavy, and I would not want to use it outside the frame on the miter box. The others I have are almost all older, some are late 19th C, and one is Civil War era. You identified all the things I think are important, though I would mention that you can find older saws with really nice handles, but really crappy glades, heavy, badly balanced.

    • @Apillicus
      @Apillicus Год назад

      I have a miller falls set that is wonderful, but I don't think I would use the saw without the miter set up lol

    • @theeddorian
      @theeddorian Год назад

      @@Apillicus Yep. Mine weighs quite a lot. Of course, it has to, because it's the saw's weight that does most of the work. I just push and pull it. Takes a bit of time to file it.

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад +1

      I have A Disston 30 inch that came with my 460 box (Both marked sweetheart) that I will use at the bench on occasion for fun.Good for dado grooves in wide panels.

  • @jonathanaustin1360
    @jonathanaustin1360 Год назад +1

    Comment down below.

  • @martinrwolfe
    @martinrwolfe Год назад +1

    What I would like is for a maufacturer to sell the saw plate back and fixings as a kit and leave it to the woodworker to make their own personal custom handle.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      there are a couple company's that do that. Blackburn Tool works is top of the list.

    • @jimcarter4929
      @jimcarter4929 Год назад

      @@WoodByWrightHowTo Not folded backs, Two Guys in a Garage used to have nice folded backs but they quit business. And good luck getting anything out of Blackburn, have had a blade on order since March and its just crickets.

  • @krawec1958
    @krawec1958 9 месяцев назад

    What wood should be used vs woods should you stay away from.
    What finish should be used vs finish to stay away from.

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  9 месяцев назад

      That all depends. They all have their pros and cons. And they all have places where they are great and places where they are not.

  • @multicoloredwiz
    @multicoloredwiz Год назад +1

    Some of my favorites are hearing you talk abt tools :]
    Also, the weeb in me has to complain. Why, theres only some 50 sounds in japanese! You should be fine! There's certainly no complexities that would make it difficult to get right!!!

  • @theidlehandsworkshop3884
    @theidlehandsworkshop3884 Год назад +7

    HERETIC !!!! BLASPHEMER !!!! How dare you dis the Gent Saw... I love mine, it's always on the table and I use it for all kinds of little things and it surprisingly mows through most woods nicely....

  • @OwlJewelleryCreations
    @OwlJewelleryCreations Год назад +1

    comment below - 😊- nice explanation of saws

  • @vijayamary6063
    @vijayamary6063 Год назад +1

    I saw this video 😅

  • @venassis7749
    @venassis7749 Год назад +1

    There's actually people that post comments down below? Is this below or above that?

  • @Mikey__R
    @Mikey__R Год назад +1

    I find the Veritas tool modern aesthetic is quite hit and miss. Their joinery and block planes are an absolute hit, their bench planes are 50/50, their saws are a hard pass from me.
    Years ago, when I was trying out dovetail saws, I had my eye on the Pax. I tried it at a woodworking show, hated it, and got the Lie Nielsen instead. It pains me to say the best Sheffield style saws aren't made in Sheffield, but in New England.

  • @phillipbrooks1289
    @phillipbrooks1289 Год назад +1

    it’s 👌 I got your back with a 👍 and a comment down below

  • @cindyharrison4191
    @cindyharrison4191 Год назад +1

    Comment down below 😅. Wish I could sponsor you 😢

  • @ssrattus
    @ssrattus Год назад +1

    Comment down below, down below.

  • @the_semi_competent_woodworker
    @the_semi_competent_woodworker Год назад

    Paul Sellers' video on reshaping a Spear and Jackson panel saw handle goes for their back saws too. Easy and you've a nice saw at the end of the exercise.

  • @RobEdinger
    @RobEdinger Год назад +1

    Down Below!

  • @ianbrown7235
    @ianbrown7235 Год назад +1

    There's no sound james! We can't hear you talk

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад

      sometimes that happens when the video is first uploaded.

  • @stuartansell9461
    @stuartansell9461 Год назад +1

    saw subject if you ask me

  • @justinpass8154
    @justinpass8154 Год назад +1

    No sound

    • @WoodByWrightHowTo
      @WoodByWrightHowTo  Год назад +1

      Sometimes that happens when the video is first uploaded. it should be working now.

    • @justinpass8154
      @justinpass8154 Год назад +1

      That's the first time I've ran into that issue but it's working now. As always great video thanks

  • @franklerouge
    @franklerouge Год назад +1

    commemt

  • @J.A.Smith2397
    @J.A.Smith2397 Год назад +1

    A back lol

  • @ryanstieglitz777
    @ryanstieglitz777 Год назад +1

    Comment....
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  • @martybrown358
    @martybrown358 Год назад

    That Veritas it uglier than sin on a Friday night.That dovetail saw is no picnic either...it looks like the upper horn tip broke off, and was glued back on upside down, with that goofy upward sweep. They must really work well, cause you can`t like the way either of them look...another awesome video though.

  • @davidrahn9903
    @davidrahn9903 Год назад +1

    Comment down below.