Cracks me up when people blame an auto company for not installing V8's, etc. Blame your legislators and their beloved CAFE standards. The manufacturers have no choice.
You can get a Bronco badlands for that price. That being said, Vehicle prices overall are ridiculous across the board. On the other end, If you're buying a used vehicle with cash right now you're in heaven.
@@Vintage-Vespa-Miami The problem with insurance costs is that they are driven by the costs of everything which they cover. If cars and homes cost more and are more expensive to repair or replace, insurance rates go up. Now if they would just go down if/when those other costs come down.
Hagerty just released a fantastic 25-minute video on why the LC is a complete failure in it's current form. They go back and cover the entire history of the LC, how it began, how it evolved, and how it's offered in different forms in different parts of the world. I think they probably said it best when they said Toyota will never be forgiven for putting this absolute dog of a hybrid/4-banger drive train in the LC. As for pricing, this is a solid $35K truck with a $58K price tag. There's a difference between durable and cheap, and this truck has got a whole lot of cheap inside and out, and that's exactly what it looks like. Nothing about it is worth what they're asking. TBH, I like the look of the 1958 better than the other trims, but with that drive train, acres of cheap materials, questionable reliability, and insane pricing, it just doesn't make any sense. Really not surprised they've become lot rocks.
@@technom3598 - Not crack, just haven't drunk the kool-aid. Talk to any salesman and they'll tell you, there will always be plenty of fools on the lot who will be easily gaslighted into thinking that price is reasonable, particularly if they can sucker them into a lease. Anyone with any sense can see it isn't worth it.
@@meadmaker4525 35k price tag is so out of touch with what things actually cost. Plus warranty for several years. You have no clue what it takes to produce an automobile. Just the amount of bullshit regulation a company has to go through to get a tail light lens is RIDICULOUS. 35k with a disconnecting sway bar. 450 ftlbs of torque 24 mpg and lockers... Radar cruise... Lane keep assist gps nave. Heated seats. Power everything... And you want it all for 35k... Ohh and if you wreck it at 60.... No body better have a scratch... 35k grow up
They would sell a lot more 1958 if they would literally do a price adjustment. It needs to start out at $44,950. And then when you add the roof rack and some running boards and of course the dealership little add-ons you would be approximately $49,000 that would be doable.
Everytime that I read comments about complaining about the price of the new Landcruiser, I must laugh😀.....or better cry....😫 Man, you are all so lucky ! In my country we have a government that wants to save the world.🙄 All cars with ICE engines have sky high taxes. So we have to pay 186.000 euros for a new Landcruiser ! Yes you read it right 😳 My advice: buy that new Landcruiser and be happy !!!
Meanwhile, the real pros at Dissent off-road are killing it with their LC 250 on portals while the internet keyboard warriors complain about what they have no clue 😅
I love mine. The great thing about this truck is that after 5 years and 100,000 miles on it, it will retain 75% of its value. People complain about the 4Cyl sure why not but the powertrain has 326hp and does 23mpg. Would you rather have an V8 with 12-15 mpg using Premium Fuel ? ⛽️ 😅 This is a Toyota made in Japan. You're not buying a fancy bmw V8 here.
The MSRP on the 1958 is way to high. Also it is my understanding that the reason for the cheap plastic bumpers is for a “base model” that people will modify with off road bumpers and so on.
I finally tested one. (All GXs in the city are sold out). This “land cruiser” Prado was okay as far as interior, styling, etc. The down fall is the engine. Yeah….. 325hp and 465lbs torque ONLY WHEN everything is running. I found that driving it at highway speeds it was screaming just to stay at 75. It had nothing left. The reality is that at highway speeds, you only have maybe 280hp and 320 torques to play with. That’s it. You’re not going to get max torque at 75mph. Around town, it felt okay. But it just felt underpowered pretty much in all areas. Big pass for me. Just the rear cargo area is an automatic pass for me.
It was a beautiful day, and I cruised around in my 2022 4Runner TRD OR Premium with the sunroof open, feeling faaaaabulous knowing I paid $48K out the door for a vehicle that is more reliable and more capable offroad than the overpriced $62K 1958 with cloth seats, no sunroof, and no power adjustable seats.
I love the previous gen 4Runner. We had 3. But ultimately, I couldn’t live with the lack of power of the V6 and the 5-speed tranny - on the highway. At altitude, where I live, it became exhausting to manage, and the fuel economy on windy days was around 12mpg. Love hate relationship.
True but the dealer install all the crap to make more profits and is not true the difference between a1958 with the Land Cruiser trim is 7k Also you need to add all the BS FEES I got mine for57 k with the basic accessories I need them and I bought in NY because dealer in FL asked me 68k and nobody allow me to pay cash ( I’m paying in three statements ) So far I got my 25+ mpg after 3 weeks and 3100 miles since I bought it on Dec 1st
They took a mediocre suv, put in an underpowered, loud 4 cylinder engine, slapped a LandCruiser badge on it, and tricked a few people. Toyota has lost its mojo.
Retro boxy style is back 🤔 Daily is a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder V8👍 Almost 20 years old with 170k on the clock. Been extremely reliable with that normally aspirated 5.6l stuffed into the hood 😁 Bully Dog tuner, upgrading to long tube headers. Running the premium tune and pre-headers, pushing about 325hp and 410tq. It's nimble, pulls like a train, and a blast to drive 👌 No turbos, no GDI, no payments, no nonsense 😊
And it will easily blow away ANY Toyota or Lexus SUV in any situation. How do I know, I have the exact same VK56 V8. Super Tank that no one know about. You rock brother.
My SUV has a power lift gate. BUT there is an easy one button way to turn it off. I leave it off most of time. Sometimes I turn it on at the supermarket for convenience. Also, the owner's manual tells you to turn it off during snow and ice events. If the motor tries to lift the gate with snow on it, or break an ice seal, it will damage the motor.
I was really bent on getting the mid trim but the dealership was able to offer me the 1958 at over 15k less than the mid. It was a no brainer from there . Overall both cars are great in day to day SoCal city driving . V8s are awesome I can’t complain too much at the J250s mpg
If this had a roll down rear window, this would have been a good Gen 6 4Runner. Oh, and they’d have to remove $20k of price across the line. And while we’re at it, keep the 4.0 v6, update the trans, and bring back the TRD supercharger option….
@@noctilucent7396 as an adult with an LC500, GX460, and F250 King Ranch Tremor I'd take the 4runner every time over this 4 cylinder piece of junk. The new Landcruiser has no benefit over a V6 or V8 in terms of real world gas mileage yet it will cost that much more to maintain outside of warranty- it's a boon to the service industry and a slap in the face to consumers with an actual brain.
I own 4 Toyota's and very happy but I paused and decided to wait to see the feedback over time on the LC. I own a pristine 2007 FJ (119k miles) I do not drive it a lot and drive it mostly on my island and other beach communities.
I can hear the board room meetings…we need to make these as cheap as possible, put a junk powerplant in it, and charge insane prices for it…dont worry there will be plenty of morons that run out to throw their money at it!
I think most people bashing them haven’t actually driven one. We got a 1958 at invoice pricing. Really like it - it’s quiet, 325hp and 465ft lbs is way more than most people will ever use. Like the styling inside and out. Very smooth ride. Just wish gas mileage was a little better and not premium gas.
There are still people that can afford 60,000 dollar vehicles? People are being real stupid with their car payments going broke paying for these overpriced cars.
@@mattm9619 that may be true but that's not what you originally said. "there are still people that can afford $60k vehicles?" of course there still are people who can afford them and buy them. you, like many people who like to hate on those who buy new vehicles, just look for excuses to project hate on people who buy what they want. forget the people who overspend. also, you dont know what overpriced is. adjusted for inflation cars are cheaper now than they were 20+ years ago. go do the math.
Toyota saved me the trouble of having one of these vehicles. I tried to purchase one, and I was told I had to enter a lottery to have a chance to order one. Since I don’t play lotteries, didn’t figure I was going to waste my time doing that.
This SUV has some things that are big negative for me. This vehicle is the same size as the previous V8 Land Cruiser, yet they decided to put a little 4-cylinder engine in the body of the frame of a large SUV. To make it even worse it is a hybrid. It is crude and underpowered. They should have offered the twin-turbo V6 as in the Lexus GX 550. It is built cheaply, and the overall quality is much lower than the price they are asking for. The fuel mileage is lackluster, and the fuel tank is very small for such a large SUV. The driving range is less than 300 miles. This is an off-road-oriented truck, and they decided to put a tiny fuel tank. It just doesn't make any sense. The cargo floor is high due to the battery placement.
It may be a lackluster product, but it is selling. So now because it has a shitty 4-cylinder, real testers don't know how to drive? If the vehicle it's slow it's slow. This particular version is as cheap as all getout. Looks like crap.
I think the single biggest issue with these is pricing, they are still entirely too expensive a value proposition. They are not nice enough (particularly the interior) for the average consumer in the market for a $70k vehicle, those folks (mall crawling moms/bougie dads) are buying the Lexus GX for more or less the same price. The 1958 on the interior is a $30k car, it’s just cheap looking/feeling.
1st - Happy New Year...keep producing content as I enjoy your perspective. With regards to LC...they got the body styling right minus the bumpers and that ugly hitch cover...feature set is ok BUT should have put a 6cyl engine in it or at least offered the option to consumers. Value vs price is not there...that's why people aren't spending their money on this level... IMO Toyota needs to bring back a NA V6 and a NA V8 as options in their lineup...right now too many of their vehicles share the same same powertrain..makes it difficult to see the value between models and justify the price delta. There is too much compression...either change the variants to distinguish them better or drop some models from the line up.
I don't want a 4 cylinder pulling a 6,000+ GVWR vehicle- no thanks. The mileage is trash and the repairs will be absurd- there's ZERO customer benefit to taking this over an NA V8 or even TT V6. The only reason this didn't get the TTV6 was to differentiate from the GX550.
Deals on 1958's vs no deals on the LC trim makes the difference closer yo $10k. Slightly discounted 1958 also looks like a better deal when comparing with very expensive new 4Runners.
I said it on your other video, check to see if you switched to ethanol winter gas. Parts of Utah do require it. My MPG drops every winter and I have a small displacement turbo vehicle.
Compared with BMW X5, Audi Q7, Mercedes GLE, Nissan Pathfinder, Honda Passport, Hyundai Santa Fe, Kia Sorento, Ford Edge, Chevrolet Blazer & Others Midsize SUV
In Australia we never got the 1958 only the higher specs. Here only the 5 seaters are selling (Altitude) Everyone here hates the 7 seaters with the raised rear....so many demos for sale
Nice video. Inn the market this spring 2025 for new wheels. I cannot decide if I should go with a LC, GX Overtrails, X5 or even RX 350. Different all around I know.
Only thing wrong with the 1958 is the price. Otherwise I love it, less is more. When the 4Runner hits the lots these base Land Cruisers will be heavily discounted.
I get it when you say the landcruiser is not a design a fast car due to it’s boxy shape but i heard you complaining about the telluride by not having a twin turbo 6 cylinder engine 😊
Turbo 4s are popping up in all kinds of vehicles to satisfy government regulations. I suppose that saving gas is more important than performance to some people. Nice review and Happy New Year.
Toyota mess up the hole lineup. Is going to pay for it. Toyota fam boy here, i would not touch any of this new power train. Bring back the V6, and lower the price is a Toyota not a Porche.
I test drove both the new Land Cruiser and Lexus GX550. The engines are not good, actually horrible. Acceleration is very poor and in-cabin noise levels much higher compared to previous versions of the GX and Land Cruiser. Of course the previous Land Cruisers were a larger, more expensive vehicle, paired with an indestructible legendary V8. The interior and ride quality of the previous GX 460, and initially the GX 470 were far superior. But for me, perhaps the most disappointing aspect of these new vehicles are their interior, they are neither luxurious or rugged, looking like every other Toyota/Lexus interior, generic, non-description plastic all over the place. The interior of the Ineos Grenadier is 1000% nicer, more rugged.
So, you’re saying Toyota is abandoning its base, risking all of its reliability not to mention pissing off even more all just for “adequate” horsepower and fuel mileage? Seem’s like pretty stupid business decisions to me…
Disagree. Land Cruiser is a FLOP. The 1958 is trash and the other two models are overpriced and not worth it compared to Lexus or other models in the same class.
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Cracks me up when people blame an auto company for not installing V8's, etc. Blame your legislators and their beloved CAFE standards. The manufacturers have no choice.
Nissan is still putting V8s in Armadas and Q80s. Weak excuse…
@ Nissan is going out of business. CAFE standards isn’t a weak excuse it is reality.
These are 20k too expensive.
True and the price homes around $300k
Salaries remain the same wait to see 2025
The second big reset
Happy new year
Exactly, make this a $45K vehicle and it will sell.
@ and let’s get affordable houses and insurance too
You can get a Bronco badlands for that price. That being said, Vehicle prices overall are ridiculous across the board. On the other end, If you're buying a used vehicle with cash right now you're in heaven.
@@Vintage-Vespa-Miami The problem with insurance costs is that they are driven by the costs of everything which they cover. If cars and homes cost more and are more expensive to repair or replace, insurance rates go up. Now if they would just go down if/when those other costs come down.
Hagerty just released a fantastic 25-minute video on why the LC is a complete failure in it's current form. They go back and cover the entire history of the LC, how it began, how it evolved, and how it's offered in different forms in different parts of the world. I think they probably said it best when they said Toyota will never be forgiven for putting this absolute dog of a hybrid/4-banger drive train in the LC.
As for pricing, this is a solid $35K truck with a $58K price tag. There's a difference between durable and cheap, and this truck has got a whole lot of cheap inside and out, and that's exactly what it looks like. Nothing about it is worth what they're asking.
TBH, I like the look of the 1958 better than the other trims, but with that drive train, acres of cheap materials, questionable reliability, and insane pricing, it just doesn't make any sense. Really not surprised they've become lot rocks.
35k truck. Lol. You people are on crack.
@@technom3598 - Not crack, just haven't drunk the kool-aid. Talk to any salesman and they'll tell you, there will always be plenty of fools on the lot who will be easily gaslighted into thinking that price is reasonable, particularly if they can sucker them into a lease. Anyone with any sense can see it isn't worth it.
Dude, that was a masterpiece video and I don’t even like Toyotas
@@meadmaker4525 35k price tag is so out of touch with what things actually cost. Plus warranty for several years. You have no clue what it takes to produce an automobile. Just the amount of bullshit regulation a company has to go through to get a tail light lens is RIDICULOUS.
35k with a disconnecting sway bar. 450 ftlbs of torque 24 mpg and lockers... Radar cruise... Lane keep assist gps nave. Heated seats. Power everything... And you want it all for 35k... Ohh and if you wreck it at 60.... No body better have a scratch...
35k grow up
The Gx550 is the true LC. Id just go for that I guess.
They would sell a lot more 1958 if they would literally do a price adjustment. It needs to start out at $44,950. And then when you add the roof rack and some running boards and of course the dealership little add-ons you would be approximately $49,000 that would be doable.
That’s fair and realistic. Agreed
agree 100 percent
Everytime that I read comments about complaining about the price of the new Landcruiser, I must laugh😀.....or better cry....😫
Man, you are all so lucky !
In my country we have a government that wants to save the world.🙄
All cars with ICE engines have sky high taxes.
So we have to pay 186.000 euros for a new Landcruiser ! Yes you read it right 😳
My advice: buy that new Landcruiser and be happy !!!
All Toyota executives should be fired for ruining the best car manufacturer that ever existed. No excuses
Meanwhile, the real pros at Dissent off-road are killing it with their LC 250 on portals while the internet keyboard warriors complain about what they have no clue 😅
I can live with no power seats and I actually prefer the cloth seats. But no power lift gate on a $60K vehicle is a joke
The mid trim has it
Shouldn't have to pay $10K more for a power lift gate in 2025
I love mine. The great thing about this truck is that after 5 years and 100,000 miles on it, it will retain 75% of its value.
People complain about the 4Cyl sure why not but the powertrain has 326hp and does 23mpg. Would you rather have an V8 with 12-15 mpg using Premium Fuel ? ⛽️ 😅
This is a Toyota made in Japan. You're not buying a fancy bmw V8 here.
The MSRP on the 1958 is way to high. Also it is my understanding that the reason for the cheap plastic bumpers is for a “base model” that people will modify with off road bumpers and so on.
I finally tested one. (All GXs in the city are sold out). This “land cruiser” Prado was okay as far as interior, styling, etc. The down fall is the engine. Yeah….. 325hp and 465lbs torque ONLY WHEN everything is running. I found that driving it at highway speeds it was screaming just to stay at 75. It had nothing left. The reality is that at highway speeds, you only have maybe 280hp and 320 torques to play with. That’s it. You’re not going to get max torque at 75mph. Around town, it felt okay. But it just felt underpowered pretty much in all areas.
Big pass for me.
Just the rear cargo area is an automatic pass for me.
The dealers here all have a 10k market adjustment on every Prado on the lot. They have about 15 for sake right now.
@@justinmcroberts4633 truth!
Toyota will never be forgiven for putting a 4 banger in an LC. They neutered it.
@@Rdrunnersac this isn't the first land cruiser with a 4 cylinder
Premium trims are sold out. This is 15$k too high for the cheap interior
The first was a V6. Do you feel the same about the V8 Land Cruisers?
@@rickyaz8640these are gonna sell out too because they're not too cheap
Meanwhile, the real pros at Dissent off-road are killing it with their LC 250 on 40's and portals
Powertrain is a flop. Its jerky, lugging, engine making pinging rattle noise
no it isn't.
Not for me. Best new toyota I have by far. Power, comfort etc is awesome. 10k miles and it’s been awesome.
You haven’t driven it. We have one and none of those things you said are true.
I’ve certainly not had that in mine, in fact the power is quite good. Better than my Rubicon.
Agreed, no value for money, no power on the highway, body on frame too heavy for tiny four cylinder.
It was a beautiful day, and I cruised around in my 2022 4Runner TRD OR Premium with the sunroof open, feeling faaaaabulous knowing I paid $48K out the door for a vehicle that is more reliable and more capable offroad than the overpriced $62K 1958 with cloth seats, no sunroof, and no power adjustable seats.
Just hope you don't get in an accident because or the poor offset front crash rating.
I love the previous gen 4Runner. We had 3. But ultimately, I couldn’t live with the lack of power of the V6 and the 5-speed tranny - on the highway. At altitude, where I live, it became exhausting to manage, and the fuel economy on windy days was around 12mpg. Love hate relationship.
You are exactly right. I work for a Toyota dealership. We have loads of 1958's and the other grades fly off of the lot.
True but the dealer install all the crap to make more profits and is not true the difference between a1958 with the Land Cruiser trim is 7k
Also you need to add all the BS FEES
I got mine for57 k with the basic accessories I need them and I bought in NY because dealer in FL asked me 68k and nobody allow me to pay cash ( I’m paying in three statements )
So far I got my 25+ mpg after 3 weeks and 3100 miles since I bought it on Dec 1st
They took a mediocre suv, put in an underpowered, loud 4 cylinder engine, slapped a LandCruiser badge on it, and tricked a few people. Toyota has lost its mojo.
I lost my faith on Toyota.
You nailed it. 49k with painted front end and I’d buy one.
For Toyota it’s not a flop. For people who always wanted a LC and do not understand them it’s not a flop. For true LC enthusiasts it’s a huge flop.
Good review. Thanks for keeping it honest and not just repeating the same as other youtubers
In canada, a base bmw 3 series in 62k CAD$ ... a base LANDCRUISER 58 is 72k CAD$
That's before taxes...
Cars are just more expensive, period!
Retro boxy style is back 🤔 Daily is a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder V8👍 Almost 20 years old with 170k on the clock. Been extremely reliable with that normally aspirated 5.6l stuffed into the hood 😁 Bully Dog tuner, upgrading to long tube headers. Running the premium tune and pre-headers, pushing about 325hp and 410tq. It's nimble, pulls like a train, and a blast to drive 👌 No turbos, no GDI, no payments, no nonsense 😊
And it will easily blow away ANY Toyota or Lexus SUV in any situation. How do I know, I have the exact same VK56 V8. Super Tank that no one know about. You rock brother.
@@robertpoirier8520Made them pre-CVT, when Nissan was much more reliable 😒 Came out from 08 -12 to compete with the V8 4Runner at the time.
@ and blew the 4Runner completely out of the water.
@robertpoirier8520 Exactly, plus no timing belt👍You own one too?
@ I have the 08 Pathfinder 4x4, 5.6 with 140,xxx miles. Have 2 Xterra’s as well. They are both 05 4x4. One is the Off Road, 6 Speed
My SUV has a power lift gate. BUT there is an easy one button way to turn it off. I leave it off most of time. Sometimes I turn it on at the supermarket for convenience. Also, the owner's manual tells you to turn it off during snow and ice events. If the motor tries to lift the gate with snow on it, or break an ice seal, it will damage the motor.
That’s a good point. I’ve been wondering how 300hp + can be sluggish. These reviewers are probably used to X4’s and Macans
People used to say the FJ cruiser was a flop, too.
Yup. Destroyed a legacy brand in less than five short years. 😮
Reminds me too much of my uncles old 90s pathfinder… I do love the GX and will likely buy that or a sequoia but I think Toyota missed on the LC.
I was really bent on getting the mid trim but the dealership was able to offer me the 1958 at over 15k less than the mid. It was a no brainer from there . Overall both cars are great in day to day SoCal city driving . V8s are awesome I can’t complain too much at the J250s mpg
Yes, they completely destroyed the Land Cruiser. Jason Camissa just did a whole tutorial on it on Hagerty, and it was an absolute masterpiece.
After seeing the 6th gen 4Runners new butt, the J250 is a win for me.
Small displacement turbo 4cyl in a heavy SUV is a recipe for early engine failure
Should’ve just made it the new 4Runner. Not having a full size LC is a mistake.
If this had a roll down rear window, this would have been a good Gen 6 4Runner. Oh, and they’d have to remove $20k of price across the line. And while we’re at it, keep the 4.0 v6, update the trans, and bring back the TRD supercharger option….
offer a six cylinder as an option without turbo or hybrid...
The answer to the title is yes. It’s a flop. What is the actual purpose of the LC? There’s a 4Runner
@@peterdaniel66 its like the 4runner but for adults
@@noctilucent7396 as an adult with an LC500, GX460, and F250 King Ranch Tremor I'd take the 4runner every time over this 4 cylinder piece of junk. The new Landcruiser has no benefit over a V6 or V8 in terms of real world gas mileage yet it will cost that much more to maintain outside of warranty- it's a boon to the service industry and a slap in the face to consumers with an actual brain.
I love the looks of this Land Cruiser. I wish they priced it closer to the Highlander.
The pricing is a nonstarter for me. There is zero reason to choose the LC over the GX.
Good looking truck, drivetrain is what it is. Price is what’s killing it. Have to be upper 30s to 40 to even get me to a dealer.
Dream on. Looks like you will be saving a lot of time not going to a Toyota dealer.
Too expensive. Toyota has not demonstrated why these vehicles are worth the asking price.
1958 is way too expensive to have cloth and a manual seat
I own 4 Toyota's and very happy but I paused and decided to wait to see the feedback over time on the LC. I own a pristine 2007 FJ (119k miles) I do not drive it a lot and drive it mostly on my island and other beach communities.
I call it the LandRunner, or Taco Cruiser😂
I can hear the board room meetings…we need to make these as cheap as possible, put a junk powerplant in it, and charge insane prices for it…dont worry there will be plenty of morons that run out to throw their money at it!
1958 should be 2 ft smaller, 2 doors and called an FJ cruiser. It’s misplaced in the Toyota lineup with all the 4Runner trims coming out
They're planning another FJ so no
A diesel 4 cylinder would have been acceptable....4 cylinder gas is a flop
Not all people watch RUclips. These will keep selling regardless of comment section...
A-TRAC is good. You don't need a rear locker.
its shit. toyota 4wd system is crap
I think most people bashing them haven’t actually driven one. We got a 1958 at invoice pricing. Really like it - it’s quiet, 325hp and 465ft lbs is way more than most people will ever use. Like the styling inside and out. Very smooth ride. Just wish gas mileage was a little better and not premium gas.
Toyota is ruined by teh DEI hires and out-sourcing.
There are still people that can afford 60,000 dollar vehicles? People are being real stupid with their car payments going broke paying for these overpriced cars.
or people just make a lot more money than you and have dispensable income
@@Slythey Car repos are at an all time high people are overspending.
@@mattm9619 that may be true but that's not what you originally said. "there are still people that can afford $60k vehicles?" of course there still are people who can afford them and buy them. you, like many people who like to hate on those who buy new vehicles, just look for excuses to project hate on people who buy what they want. forget the people who overspend. also, you dont know what overpriced is. adjusted for inflation cars are cheaper now than they were 20+ years ago. go do the math.
@@Slythey Car market is about to tank watch it happen.
@@mattm9619 could be, but people have been saying that for years- and none of that has anything to do with what the original comment was
Toyota saved me the trouble of having one of these vehicles. I tried to purchase one, and I was told I had to enter a lottery to have a chance to order one. Since I don’t play lotteries, didn’t figure I was going to waste my time doing that.
This SUV has some things that are big negative for me.
This vehicle is the same size as the previous V8 Land Cruiser, yet they decided to put a little 4-cylinder engine in the body of the frame of a large SUV. To make it even worse it is a hybrid. It is crude and underpowered. They should have offered the twin-turbo V6 as in the Lexus GX 550.
It is built cheaply, and the overall quality is much lower than the price they are asking for.
The fuel mileage is lackluster, and the fuel tank is very small for such a large SUV. The driving range is less than 300 miles. This is an off-road-oriented truck, and they decided to put a tiny fuel tank. It just doesn't make any sense.
The cargo floor is high due to the battery placement.
It may be a lackluster product, but it is selling. So now because it has a shitty 4-cylinder, real testers don't know how to drive? If the vehicle it's slow it's slow. This particular version is as cheap as all getout. Looks like crap.
Wouldn’t be a huge flop if it was priced lower
I think the single biggest issue with these is pricing, they are still entirely too expensive a value proposition. They are not nice enough (particularly the interior) for the average consumer in the market for a $70k vehicle, those folks (mall crawling moms/bougie dads) are buying the Lexus GX for more or less the same price. The 1958 on the interior is a $30k car, it’s just cheap looking/feeling.
overpriced POS 🤣, they are not holding any value. 45 k max for this car.
1st - Happy New Year...keep producing content as I enjoy your perspective.
With regards to LC...they got the body styling right minus the bumpers and that ugly hitch cover...feature set is ok BUT should have put a 6cyl engine in it or at least offered the option to consumers. Value vs price is not there...that's why people aren't spending their money on this level...
IMO Toyota needs to bring back a NA V6 and a NA V8 as options in their lineup...right now too many of their vehicles share the same same powertrain..makes it difficult to see the value between models and justify the price delta. There is too much compression...either change the variants to distinguish them better or drop some models from the line up.
I don't want a 4 cylinder pulling a 6,000+ GVWR vehicle- no thanks. The mileage is trash and the repairs will be absurd- there's ZERO customer benefit to taking this over an NA V8 or even TT V6. The only reason this didn't get the TTV6 was to differentiate from the GX550.
Love the LC, the priblem is the power plant. Never but it with that power plant
Deals on 1958's vs no deals on the LC trim makes the difference closer yo $10k.
Slightly discounted 1958 also looks like a better deal when comparing with very expensive new 4Runners.
No v6 no sale. 4x4 people don't want hybrids.
They're marking them down by around $4k in my area. When's the last time you saw discounts on Toyotas?
Hey Ben Hardy we saw a 2025 INEOS Grenadier Station Wagon
Was really sweet you should get one!!
The 1958 is not differentiated from the 4Runner. If they improve it as you say they would cannibslize the 4runner sales.
We got the luxury LC got in December still trying to figure out but i love it!!!
Powertrain is a flop, material seems cheap, but 4WD system is decent, pricing is a bit ridiculous. Looks pretty cool, though
Would you still get a Defender over this LC with the mrsp price range that Toyotas are jacking up now?
I said it on your other video, check to see if you switched to ethanol winter gas. Parts of Utah do require it. My MPG drops every winter and I have a small displacement turbo vehicle.
Compared with BMW X5, Audi Q7, Mercedes GLE, Nissan Pathfinder, Honda Passport, Hyundai Santa Fe, Kia Sorento, Ford Edge, Chevrolet Blazer & Others Midsize SUV
in 5 years which one will be worth more? retain the most value,
@@johnrose7212the one with a naturally aspirated V6
In Australia we never got the 1958 only the higher specs. Here only the 5 seaters are selling (Altitude) Everyone here hates the 7 seaters with the raised rear....so many demos for sale
$50K MSRP makes sense for 1958, for someone who wants $35K for a truck, you know camry now selling at $35K
1958 at minimum you need MTS and swaybar disconnect and 360 camera. You expect all the offroad goods if youre buying a landcruiser
Nice video. Inn the market this spring 2025 for new wheels. I cannot decide if I should go with a LC, GX Overtrails, X5 or even RX 350. Different all around I know.
Only thing wrong with the 1958 is the price. Otherwise I love it, less is more. When the 4Runner hits the lots these base Land Cruisers will be heavily discounted.
I want a 70 series LC with a manual transmission, real bumpers, and as few electronics as possible!!!
I get it when you say the landcruiser is not a design a fast car due to it’s boxy shape but i heard you complaining about the telluride by not having a twin turbo 6 cylinder engine 😊
If it had a 6 cylinder maybe more people might buy it.
Turbo 4s are popping up in all kinds of vehicles to satisfy government regulations. I suppose that saving gas is more important than performance to some people. Nice review and Happy New Year.
The government is slowly killing the auto industry.
Toyota mess up the hole lineup. Is going to pay for it. Toyota fam boy here, i would not touch any of this new power train. Bring back the V6, and lower the price is a Toyota not a Porche.
100%
I test drove both the new Land Cruiser and Lexus GX550. The engines are not good, actually horrible. Acceleration is very poor and in-cabin noise levels much higher compared to previous versions of the GX and Land Cruiser. Of course the previous Land Cruisers were a larger, more expensive vehicle, paired with an indestructible legendary V8. The interior and ride quality of the previous GX 460, and initially the GX 470 were far superior. But for me, perhaps the most disappointing aspect of these new vehicles are their interior, they are neither luxurious or rugged, looking like every other Toyota/Lexus interior, generic, non-description plastic all over the place. The interior of the Ineos Grenadier is 1000% nicer, more rugged.
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In black it looks like my old Nissan Xterra. I loved that vehicle. Solid.
It seems like a good car but to be honest you can get a car with everything this car has but for $20K less
Too expensive!
No turbo!
Was the original Land Cruiser 4cylinder?
That is the cheapest $60,000 vehicle I’ve ever seen.
They should've put the new Tundra engine.
No, I love mine
needs price adjustment asap
So, you’re saying Toyota is abandoning its base, risking all of its reliability not to mention pissing off even more all just for “adequate” horsepower and fuel mileage? Seem’s like pretty stupid business decisions to me…
Did you say battery? There’s your issue.😂😂😂 now it’s garbage EV or hybrid. Way too much!! 38k max!
they sale quicker than any other Toyota
@@johnrose7212 they are not selling here lol 60 days on the lots and counting 🤣
@@johnrose7212 EV and hybrids are for the woke! I know you may not understand, but that’s what it is!
Disagree. Land Cruiser is a FLOP. The 1958 is trash and the other two models are overpriced and not worth it compared to Lexus or other models in the same class.
Wow that’s a lot plastic for nearly 60k
@@fire_breathing_hamster japanese plastic
I really wanted to like it, I saw one today at the Inernational Auto Show and was dissapointed.
My opinion. That should’ve been the new 4 runner. Come on top of the line should be V6 V8. Four-cylinder never.
For its price point I believe it is a flop. I don’t see any value in this suv for what I’m paying
Mid trim? Only 2 trims in 2025.
I wouldn't pay anything over $30 for that.
I get it awd but dam my 2.7L ecoboost gets 18 mpg with 37s!
I woulda bought one if it had all the same 4wd features as the upper trims.
If you are talking about the “Prado”, then yeah, I am calling it out as a flop.
For $60k we got a brand new SQ5 PP.