First group 2 shots the sound was different Now I am listening again and again and you are not stupid You are a human just like everybody You say it too at the end powder well done
I bought a ton of the original Wolf that came from the East German factory when it was first imported. It was outstanding ammo and shot lights out. The price at that time was $13 a brick. One of the guys I shoot benchrest with still uses it, having bought a massive amount. He wins... a lot. Now no one uses it because Eley has turned it into plinking ammo.
I used to have a lot of wolf that would just flat out hammer 0.2-0.3" groups at 50rds. Wolf has been hit and miss, you either get a lot that's stupid good or has issues with fliers.
Your shooting reveals the same issues I have while trying to wring the best accuracy out of my Savage 22--ammunition. One lot gives fantastic groups--same ammo--different lot--flyers everywhere. Consistent .22 ammo is hard to find with Eley Ten-X being the most consistent so far.
Good video I like the honest results without cherry picking. The only thing I could see to improve the video would be to set up a LabRadar so we could see velocities along with the groups 👍
Nice video, thank you. Maybe it was a bad lot of WE Match. Nonetheless, I have seen several videos with Lilja barrels and I have yet to see one that has been much different than the factory barrel in terms of group size. I just subscribed. You do a great job explaining variances in real world comparisons.
Thanks Jeff. I have personally seen the lilja outperform my MTR barrels but it isn't a landslide victory. The CZ is nice enough factory that nothing will make enormous gains in my opinion.
I have 6 czs and three are vpt mtrs and I don't think these aftermarket barrels shoot any better than the factory barrels I might be wrong but I don't think I could improve on the way my cz457s shoot mine shoots lights out all of them do. Beagleman
@@lewisrice3741 since my post above , I recently bought a Lilja for my CZ. Mostly because I wanted a longer barrel. The factory barrel was for sure a great shooting barrel . The Lilja is a little better , but let’s put it in perspective . Sk rifle match averaged 0.27” in my CZ factory barrel. The Lilja averages 0.21” with the same lot of ammo . Center x averaged 0.27” in my CZ barrel . It’s averaging 0.18” groups in the Lilja . The biggest difference is with sk+. Sk+ averaged 0.41” in the CZ barrel, and 0.31” in the Lilja . One thing noticeably different is the standard deviation of group sizes . The Lilja will shoot much more consistent group sizes . The difference between the maximum and minimum group size on the Lilja appears to be very little by comparison to the CZ . My CZ barrel is a 16.5” Varmint pro .Honestly , I was hoping the Lilja would be as good as the cz . Lewis, I gotta believe the mtr barrels will run with anything .
I’ve had great results with using a limb saver (rubber) barrel tuner with my .22s. Since you like experimenting, I highly recommend trying it out. They may look a little funny, but I’m a believer. Results are all that matters.
Good video and information. I have never shot wolf ammo 22 long rifle. Thanks for the video. Just got a CZ 457 MTR and looking for spare magazines. Any good recommendations for buying them,
Been awhile since i had some wolf. Mine all said eley primed, like that old agulia ammo. I dont think it is made be eley though. I shot allot of eley club and that wolf never out did the eley club for me.
I've seen a lot of video's on different rimfire rifles and the CZ performs very well for the price, I'm looking to get a long range .22 in a good price range and I'm still undecided. What are your thoughts on the CZ barrels using two set screws to hold the barrel in place. I would prefer the barrel to be threaded into the action like the 452 was, I find it would be a better set up I'm not interested in swapping barrels out.
I have a new MTR coming to me this week, could you tell me the best source for a cheekrest for this stock, I’m not crazy about drilling holes in a new stock, so maybe something not permanent….thanks for your time
Of course I listened to the rest of the video and noticed you heard the varying report as well. By the way I'm a pretty new subscriber to your channel and really like your stuff. I've been into long range Precision in the past but only recently have taken an interest in 22 long rifle Precision. It's a ton of fun, a little bit less expensive, and more compact in that the ranges aren't as extended.
Not really with match ammo. Most the brass rims and priming is really consistent. I think with the wolf match extra it was just a lot of powder variance
7:20 "because....I'm an idiot". Love it when guys don't take themselves to seriously. I've had good luck with Wolf. Like all else rimfire, somes likes it and somes don't. Hard to beat SK tho.
I know I have run this by you in the past but.....And yes, I know you have indicated its difficult to get a chronograph in the picture along with you and the target..........That being said, even if the viewers cannot see the chronograph, it would nice if you could verbally relate velocities when a shot is out of the group. I shoot my CZ always with the LabRadar along side the rifle. When I am shooting groups and a shot goes out (knowing it is not the nut behind the butt or the wind {as I always have at least one wind flag/daisy wheel}, 75% of the time, it is shot out of the normal velocity (for that ammo) that causes the flyer. And I know you have also indicated its hard to get wind flags in the picture however, it would be possible for you to have them present so you could comment effectively about both the wind and velocity in relation to accuracy. Along with your video where you were position shooting (in the snow), that was OK, but, it is more a testament to your ability and the conditions vs. the actually accuracy of the rifle and ammo?? Anyway, always enjoy your video's!
I plan on getting a lab radar when I can dig myself out of the hole a little bit to use on the channel. I should be able to include that in ammo testing videos relatively easily.
If you dont want to damage the stock make one with foam and some wrap you can remove later. If your ok damaging the stock than the victor titan cheek rest
@PursuitofAccuracy thanks. I bought the 457 synthetic a few years ago and love it but really want the MTR. I've got 400yrds to play with and really wanting to stretch my skills. Best I've done is 8in gong at 200 with a cheap rimfire scope from Cabela. Planning on a stock division setup
Nice to see what that ammo can do. I didn’t know who made it, that’s cool. I’ll put some through my 457 vptmtr. 👍🏻
Thanks for the test. You can definitely hear the difference in the report of the ammo.
First group 2 shots the sound was different
Now I am listening again and again and you are not stupid
You are a human just like everybody
You say it too at the end powder well done
Yeah its very obvious when you shooting it and you hear the shots
Great vid . I shoot some wolf and it’s pretty good stuff out of my cz .
I bought a ton of the original Wolf that came from the East German factory when it was first imported. It was outstanding ammo and shot lights out. The price at that time was $13 a brick. One of the guys I shoot benchrest with still uses it, having bought a massive amount. He wins... a lot. Now no one uses it because Eley has turned it into plinking ammo.
The moving target does my head in!
Haha I understand. I made a specific target stand to fix that issue. All of my latest video's are utilizing it so no more target movement with wind.
Thanks for the information.👍
I used to have a lot of wolf that would just flat out hammer 0.2-0.3" groups at 50rds. Wolf has been hit and miss, you either get a lot that's stupid good or has issues with fliers.
That’s what I use.👍. Went out today, I liked it. At 50 yards, I’m getting .4-.5. Same as you.
I like the way you do the average overall
Thanks
Excellent video as always and most informative.
Your shooting reveals the same issues I have while trying to wring the best accuracy out of my Savage 22--ammunition. One lot gives fantastic groups--same ammo--different lot--flyers everywhere. Consistent .22 ammo is hard to find with Eley Ten-X being the most consistent so far.
Thx for the nice informative and unbiased video's. Is there a improvement in accuracy using the LILJA barrel over the original CZ 20 inch barrel ??
Good video I like the honest results without cherry picking. The only thing I could see to improve the video would be to set up a LabRadar so we could see velocities along with the groups 👍
Thanks for the comment. I will see what i can do about getting a chrono involved
I just bought that scope and haven’t tracked it yet.
Thank you sir i have 3 bricks of this stuff i think ill be selling. I think the SK rifle match will rock your world.
Nice video, thank you. Maybe it was a bad lot of WE Match. Nonetheless, I have seen several videos with Lilja barrels and I have yet to see one that has been much different than the factory barrel in terms of group size. I just subscribed. You do a great job explaining variances in real world comparisons.
Thanks Jeff. I have personally seen the lilja outperform my MTR barrels but it isn't a landslide victory. The CZ is nice enough factory that nothing will make enormous gains in my opinion.
I have 6 czs and three are vpt mtrs and I don't think these aftermarket barrels shoot any better than the factory barrels I might be wrong but I don't think I could improve on the way my cz457s shoot mine shoots lights out all of them do.
Beagleman
@@lewisrice3741 since my post above , I recently bought a Lilja for my CZ. Mostly because I wanted a longer barrel. The factory barrel was for sure a great shooting barrel . The Lilja is a little better , but let’s put it in perspective . Sk rifle match averaged 0.27” in my CZ factory barrel. The Lilja averages 0.21” with the same lot of ammo . Center x averaged 0.27” in my CZ barrel . It’s averaging 0.18” groups in the Lilja . The biggest difference is with sk+. Sk+ averaged 0.41” in the CZ barrel, and 0.31” in the Lilja . One thing noticeably different is the standard deviation of group sizes . The Lilja will shoot much more consistent group sizes . The difference between the maximum and minimum group size on the Lilja appears to be very little by comparison to the CZ . My CZ barrel is a 16.5” Varmint pro .Honestly , I was hoping the Lilja would be as good as the cz . Lewis, I gotta believe the mtr barrels will run with anything .
Good video. It is heard that sometimes the shot is louder and then it flies out....
Great show. What part of NC ?
We used to shoot Shelby, and Rutherford.
Im right outside of greensboro
Hi Josh can you do the same ammo test through the standard barrel too please? Ian UK
I’ve had great results with using a limb saver (rubber) barrel tuner with my .22s. Since you like experimenting, I highly recommend trying it out. They may look a little funny, but I’m a believer. Results are all that matters.
I plan to test a harrils tuner this year
Awesome! Just bought my first Athlon Ares UHD. Would love to have the Midas TAC
Nice i had an Ares and it was super nice. I really like almost all the Athlon scopes. Got a cronus on the way to me soon for my open gun
Thanks Great Work.
I appreciate that
Good old NC, my home also. I like the way that barrel performs, did you send off or is it DIY swap? I have a 457 varmint and thinking about a switch.
Diy swap
In this price range I prefer SK rifle match or long range match. Wolf pretty inconsistent, specially in a last years. Used to be good ammo
Good video and information. I have never shot wolf ammo 22 long rifle. Thanks for the video. Just got a CZ 457 MTR and looking for spare magazines. Any good recommendations for buying them,
Right now i dont know anyone who has them in stock. Not sure whats up with the magazine shortage
Good video
Thanks brother
Wolf ammo is the same as SK ammo since they both manufactured at the SK plant in Germany. So, different names but same components and manufacturing.
Wolf .22 ammo is made by Eley in England.
Josh, need to get hold of one of ya t-shirts mate, your Biggest Aussie supporter. Richo. Large. Ps. Tell me how much , Thanks
Hey brother. Email me @ Josh@pursuitofaccuracy.com
Great video! I have the same rifle stock in a 223. Where did you get your check riser?
I bought it online. Victor titan universal cheek rest
I just got a 500 round box of wolf match extra for $10 ..!!.. I hope my 10/22 likes it !!!
Been awhile since i had some wolf. Mine all said eley primed, like that old agulia ammo. I dont think it is made be eley though. I shot allot of eley club and that wolf never out did the eley club for me.
It looks good I think
What cheek risers are you using?
I've seen a lot of video's on different rimfire rifles and the CZ performs very well for the price, I'm looking to get a long range .22 in a good price range and I'm still undecided. What are your thoughts on the CZ barrels using two set screws to hold the barrel in place. I would prefer the barrel to be threaded into the action like the 452 was, I find it would be a better set up I'm not interested in swapping barrels out.
The set screws havent been an issue but if you find you really like the barrel just epoxy it in.
I have a new MTR coming to me this week, could you tell me the best source for a cheekrest for this stock, I’m not crazy about drilling holes in a new stock, so maybe something not permanent….thanks for your time
I had to drill for mine. Not sure on something that doesnt need to be drilled
I noticed there was a significant difference in the report between the first round and second round of the second group. Maybe it's just my old ears😉
Of course I listened to the rest of the video and noticed you heard the varying report as well. By the way I'm a pretty new subscriber to your channel and really like your stuff. I've been into long range Precision in the past but only recently have taken an interest in 22 long rifle Precision. It's a ton of fun, a little bit less expensive, and more compact in that the ranges aren't as extended.
What length barrel is that please. I’ll be ordering a Lilja barrel for my CZ 457 MTR next week. Thank you!
Thats the mtr 20.5"
Not bad considering the price of this ammunition.
Do you think sorting by weight & rim thickness would improve your group size with the cheaper Match ammo?
Not really with match ammo. Most the brass rims and priming is really consistent. I think with the wolf match extra it was just a lot of powder variance
7:20 "because....I'm an idiot". Love it when guys don't take themselves to seriously.
I've had good luck with Wolf. Like all else rimfire, somes likes it and somes don't. Hard to beat SK tho.
Haha thanks. Its hard to take anything i do seriously
Где такую переделанную купить можно?
I’m in!
I know I have run this by you in the past but.....And yes, I know you have indicated its difficult to get a chronograph in the picture along with you and the target..........That being said, even if the viewers cannot see the chronograph, it would nice if you could verbally relate velocities when a shot is out of the group. I shoot my CZ always with the LabRadar along side the rifle. When I am shooting groups and a shot goes out (knowing it is not the nut behind the butt or the wind {as I always have at least one wind flag/daisy wheel}, 75% of the time, it is shot out of the normal velocity (for that ammo) that causes the flyer.
And I know you have also indicated its hard to get wind flags in the picture however, it would be possible for you to have them present so you could comment effectively about both the wind and velocity in relation to accuracy.
Along with your video where you were position shooting (in the snow), that was OK, but, it is more a testament to your ability and the conditions vs. the actually accuracy of the rifle and ammo?? Anyway, always enjoy your video's!
I plan on getting a lab radar when I can dig myself out of the hole a little bit to use on the channel.
I should be able to include that in ammo testing videos relatively easily.
@@PursuitofAccuracy that will be much appreciated Josh...thanksi
Great video. What bolt knob are you running?
Thanks
Any idea where the two Eley-mfg. Wolf 22LR brands fit into the Eley lineup? Coating could reveal.
I dont know honestly but im guessing pretty low on the food chain
@@PursuitofAccuracy shoots like it too.
@@jwschroeder804 🤣🤣🤣
That ammo sounded like Eley Target or Club. The rounds sounded all over the place.
I think its what doesnt make the cut for club or target.
Still a cracking shot, you are better than this and that just draws down to the quality of ammo. How’s the training coming along.
hello sir , i have same gun , i try a lot of bullets , for me the best was ELEY SPORT .
How often do you clean your 22 Rifles?
Depends on the rifle but every 300-400 rounds
Who makes the check riser
Victor titan
where did you get the stock cheek riser please??
Online. Its a victor titan cheekrest
It’s an awesome cheek riser I ordered one
What part of nc my guy
Greensboro
I want that scope. I hope I win.
Good luck
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks Josh.
👍
I’m in
Try to put the target in the frame
That ammo was better when it was made by Lapua.
Oh the days when Target was Standard Plus and Extra was Rifle Match. Spent a lot of money on Extra for matches.
Cardboard moving with the wind ,back and forth .....if you are hoping for accuracy, think about securing those boards.
Look at any of the videos after that and its been secured
@@PursuitofAccuracy i realized that.... But I wrote the comment just got the sake to fill the comment section......;)
@@zermomia haha fair enough
I'm in.
You need to comment that on the actual scope giveaway video. Which i will have out late tonight early tomorrow sir.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you Josh. Sir? 😂I'm not that old. I'm only 9 months older than Rick 6.
Woof
“Woof”
Wolf Match Extra = Eley Club.
What cheek rest would you recommend for the MTR?
If you dont want to damage the stock make one with foam and some wrap you can remove later.
If your ok damaging the stock than the victor titan cheek rest
@PursuitofAccuracy thanks. I bought the 457 synthetic a few years ago and love it but really want the MTR. I've got 400yrds to play with and really wanting to stretch my skills. Best I've done is 8in gong at 200 with a cheap rimfire scope from Cabela. Planning on a stock division setup