Salut Josh, As a 68 year old on fixed pensions paying for more expensive fine tuned barrels is not really an option on my much loved CZ 457 MTR. I was however (under the inclusive health system here en France) able to have further laser treatment to my deteriorating right shooting eye. My MOA results are vastly better, not of course as good as yours but much improved. At my time of life the ability of the eyes is more relevant than the ability of the barrel, je pense! Cordialement RB
Carry on best you are physically able. Semper Fi from a 62 yr old MOS 8541. My love has become a 6mm BR and a very good scope to overcome failing eye sight.
I'm 63, like you if I were younger I'd by custom barrel but I'm sticking with the factory cz. I don't shoot paper I shoot random rocks etc. 20 - 200 + shoot at, plus mine is 22wmr
I watched your channel a lot before making a purchase of a 22 for PRS and went with the CZ 457 pro varmint (suppressor ready) and have to say, I'm not disappointed. I showed up to my first match three weeks ago, factory rifle, warne rings, vortex viper PST gen ii glass and a harris bipod. (Don't even have a rail on it yet. Was just using the sling swivel to mount the bipod.) Friend of mine snagged me two 10 rd mags and I ran sk match ammo. (Couldn't even chrono the ammo because I couldn't mount the magnetospeed to it. Barrel too short. lol) I just punched the factory listed velocity and bc into my kestrel and ran with it. For my first 22 PRS match I can't complain. Ended up middle of the pack. Didn't even fire all 100 rds. (If I remember correctly I only fired 87. Have to work on my speed.) I missed 10 shots. Super impressed what these little 22's can do at long range especially with subsonic ammo and man, I'm now hooked on 22 PRS. What a blast! Thanks for putting out great content and making it easy to make a sound decision on what rifle to start out with. (Also makes me want to build a bolt gun for the centerfire side of PRS. Dang it. lol)
Hi josh, thanks for doing that 20 inch barrel comparison, I also like Lilja barrels. I would like to see that done again with next tozero wind because this showed the CZ barrel smallest two groups at .60 and .64. The two smallest Lilja groups was .64 and .70.
Yeah I’m thinking a rematch is in order after a good Iosso barrel cleaning on both with less wind - both have proven more capable on better days but I do think the conclusion is likely to be the same they are both very close
How about an ammo comparison between a stock CZ MTR barrel vs a CZ NON MTR barrel. People are saying cheap ammo shoots better out of the non MTR barrels. Curious if it’s true. Also, a video on how suppressors effect accuracy would be nice!
Hi Josh, thanks again for such thoughtful evaluations. You truly account for all the errors built in to precision shooting and discuss what matters and what doesn't in any given setting. Did you ever repeat this test under less blustery conditions? Or do you have a sense for how good the Lilja vs OEM MTR barrels can do without wind if given their favorite ammo lots? I'm wondering if you think it's a big difference(at least for the bench rest crowd) like 0.2" vs 0.4" at 50 yds?
Hi love all your Rimfire videos . What is the exact model of your bipod on your CZ457 Make & Model ? I own a CZ457 MTR and also ordered a MPA Chassis and I really like your bipod that’s on your CZ457 Alfie
On my AT One with the 16.5 inch barrel and a random lot of Wolf with a 3-9 Crossfire 2, I some how did a 3/4 inch group average at 100 yards. This was also when Wolf was still put out by SK so idk if that makes a huge difference.
Interesting that the smallest two groups were out of the factory MTR barrel though. It would be interesting to see this repeated on a windless day (or indoors)
Just wondering what your thoughts were on the Apex optics and how it compares to others ? Keep up the great work and always look forward to your new vid's, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hi Josh- Thanks for your work! I have a question regarding the placement of the bipods. On both of your guns the bipods are NOT mounted max. near to the muzzle. What is behind this placement in the middle of the chassis fore end? Could you please explain your thoughts:-)
Hi Josh. What do you have to invest for this 21" Lilja barrel? What twist does Lilja's barrel have? Is the extra charge for Lilja's barrel justified with an advantage of 0.1"? If you now carry out the test with 10 different types of ammunition? Then the advantage of Lilja could be gone, or become even more visible. Especially with 22LR, the right ammunition for the barrel is extremely important, which makes a lot more difference than the 0.1 inch. I would be happy about a more extensive ammunition test from both barrels.
this. All of my CZs love SK std plus. I get the occasional better group from Rifle Match or Wolf match extra, but SK Std Plus is always consistently good, and occasionally great.
Got a ques looking to step up from my arken scopes. what would u recommend out of a couple scopes I'm looking at, athlon cronus btr, ares etr or the tract toric elr
Hey Joish..Great Video. Im pretty disappointed in the groups of both. All Bullshit aside, Straight Up and no bragging..Myself and 4 other guys shoot our 22LR's after maintenance day { Mondays} at Greenwood Gun Club and my groups at 200 yds, 250 yds 300 yds and 335 I can cover a 10 shot group witha Quarter. shooting Lapua CenterX or Lapua Super Long Range,and Lapua Long Range and usually almost that good with SK Match Long Range. My MTR does not like Eley Ammo. My Ruger and Savage from Walmart like it pretty good.My CZ452-2E ina PMC Chassis shoots pretty good.The Timney Trigger needs help.Its way heavy So this leads me to believe that your rifle would shoot much better and probably better than min e withLapua or SK Match Long range. We have only been shooting these 22LRs a few months. Please do not take this as an insult of smart ass or Bragging.Im not that.Im just wondering whats the reason. Is your LILJA a 3 Groove? Thanks..
Yes .Of the regular guys have CZ 457 and 2 have Savages and 2 others have VooDoo. Thats for sure every gun is different.Two guys ent therz to be LOT tested at Lapua. Thanks for you nice videoos.Keep@@PursuitofAccuracy
Josh, Sorry to keep bothering you in comments. I am trying to determine for the money I have, which I want to stay in base class, if the CZ 457 has the same MTR barrel on the Varmint and the Precision? The setup I am wanting is the CZ 457 Varmint MTR with a Bushnell match pro mil and Area 419 base. I am not sure what MOA to get though. I am guessing a 30. That seems to be what I read and see the most of. I am going to join the channel as quickly as I can. Thanks for your help.
@Pursuit of Accuracy Thanks for the quick reply. Actually, I just joined the channel on Patron. The link for Discord no longer works. Keep the great videos coming.
I watch all your videos and know Eley Match is the favorite ammo to you Lilja. Have you tested the MTR barrel for it's favorite ammo, or is it just not practical?
I have an idea Josh do the same test to all the precision barrels produced at this time that you did with the Lilja barrel. You have compared just about all the 22s made so do the ultimate test of precision barrels or do you have a bargain with all the other producers of precision barrels not to do that.
@@richardmattix5322 the bartlein is really neck and neck with the lilja but the lilja allows you to set headspace. IBI never did as well as the other two.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I can’t find one anywhere. I’ll probably just get the at one and upgrade if need be. Thanks for the videos they are awesome I’ve watched tons of them already.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I made a zero at 25 meters the other time on the rifle ey then I made corrections to go further is ah 130 meters there are dispersions????
@@PursuitofAccuracy yes but even with a zero at 25metre with corrections coming from the strelok I manage ah to make corrections to go ah 100m right in the center 120 too. it's just 130 its scattered??
So you gonna go up against the Cyclops's Bergara ? FWIW I don't think you honestly look like Pippi Longstocking... Maybe a little... 🤔 Joe sure seems to think so ? Best of luck though ! 😎👍
Hmmm, seems to me that you are testing barrels in the wind which can't make it a good test. The factory barrel still shot the smallest group and out of it's 5 strings the smallest "largest" group. I'd say the factory barrel did as well. I don't see the lilja having the accuracy edge. Seems to me that you must be getting your barrels from them and they must sponsor you.. Your paying 500.00 for a barrel that in your tests, didn't shoot any better. the stock barrel had 2 group in the 6's and the lilja only had one and it didn't beat the stock barrel.
I paid for every lilja barrel I own. The lilja allows you to change headspace via the shims and just because it didnt blow out the mtr barrel on one day it has consistently performed better across my shooting. Sone days the stock barrel will outperform the lilja, most days its the opposite. Its funny to me that the go to is we must be sponsored. Were paying for the rifles, ammo, barrels etc to make free content for others to watch to share our passion. Icing on the cake to constantly have to defend ourselves to people who watch a video for free that we lost money making. I dont have any affiliates or make any money based off of if you do or dont buy anything you see on my videos.
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Salut Josh, As a 68 year old on fixed pensions paying for more expensive fine tuned barrels is not really an option on my much loved CZ 457 MTR. I was however (under the inclusive health system here en France) able to have further laser treatment to my deteriorating right shooting eye. My MOA results are vastly better, not of course as good as yours but much improved. At my time of life the ability of the eyes is more relevant than the ability of the barrel, je pense! Cordialement RB
Carry on best you are physically able. Semper Fi from a 62 yr old MOS 8541. My love has become a 6mm BR and a very good scope to overcome failing eye sight.
That’s my challenge as well - I have quarter MOA gear with 2 MOA eyes so I’m happy when I can split the difference
I'm 63, like you if I were younger I'd by custom barrel but I'm sticking with the factory cz. I don't shoot paper I shoot random rocks etc. 20 - 200 + shoot at, plus mine is 22wmr
I watched your channel a lot before making a purchase of a 22 for PRS and went with the CZ 457 pro varmint (suppressor ready) and have to say, I'm not disappointed. I showed up to my first match three weeks ago, factory rifle, warne rings, vortex viper PST gen ii glass and a harris bipod. (Don't even have a rail on it yet. Was just using the sling swivel to mount the bipod.) Friend of mine snagged me two 10 rd mags and I ran sk match ammo. (Couldn't even chrono the ammo because I couldn't mount the magnetospeed to it. Barrel too short. lol) I just punched the factory listed velocity and bc into my kestrel and ran with it. For my first 22 PRS match I can't complain. Ended up middle of the pack. Didn't even fire all 100 rds. (If I remember correctly I only fired 87. Have to work on my speed.) I missed 10 shots. Super impressed what these little 22's can do at long range especially with subsonic ammo and man, I'm now hooked on 22 PRS. What a blast! Thanks for putting out great content and making it easy to make a sound decision on what rifle to start out with. (Also makes me want to build a bolt gun for the centerfire side of PRS. Dang it. lol)
Looking good. Great to have you back. Happy to see the factory barrel do that well.
Good to see ya back, I missed the live stream tonight, but looking forward to the new content.✅👏🏻👏🏻 CZ barrel holds it’s own.
Would love to see MTR vs CZ stock non-MTR.
My CZ American does 1 1/4 groups or better at 100 yards with bulk Federal Automatch. 1/2-5/8 at 50yards.
Mine shoots under 1 moa at 100 I think the shooter is the issue or it was just a windy day. A decent wind can push a 22 inches at 100y
Josh, yes 22lr and wind makes for a challenging day...................... Thanks for posting !!
Thanks Josh for the comparison. Blessings
I'm glad you finally got your Accu-tac bipod, thanks Josh for the comparison, I enjoyed the video
Hi josh, thanks for doing that 20 inch barrel comparison, I also like Lilja barrels. I would like to see that done again with next tozero wind because this showed the CZ barrel smallest two groups at .60 and .64. The two smallest Lilja groups was .64 and .70.
A better wind day rematch is on the books
I just picked up a 457 LRP as my first rimfire precision gun... Really hoping to see you review one in the near future
Thanks for a great series, what do you like to set your headspace at on the customs barrels?
Yeah I’m thinking a rematch is in order after a good Iosso barrel cleaning on both with less wind - both have proven more capable on better days but I do think the conclusion is likely to be the same they are both very close
Rematch is guaranteed
@@PursuitofAccuracy Would be great to see a rematch, thanks.
How about an ammo comparison between a stock CZ MTR barrel vs a CZ NON MTR barrel. People are saying cheap ammo shoots better out of the non MTR barrels. Curious if it’s true. Also, a video on how suppressors effect accuracy would be nice!
Hi Josh, thanks again for such thoughtful evaluations. You truly account for all the errors built in to precision shooting and discuss what matters and what doesn't in any given setting. Did you ever repeat this test under less blustery conditions? Or do you have a sense for how good the Lilja vs OEM MTR barrels can do without wind if given their favorite ammo lots? I'm wondering if you think it's a big difference(at least for the bench rest crowd) like 0.2" vs 0.4" at 50 yds?
Hi love all your Rimfire videos . What is the exact model of your bipod on your CZ457 Make & Model ?
I own a CZ457 MTR and also ordered a MPA Chassis and I really like your bipod that’s on your CZ457
Alfie
Getting warm Josh I am ready to protect my farm from groundhogs 👈🏼👈🏼 I am a country men . Love from Maryland ❤️
Josh I just ordered a Athlon Helos scope for my cz 457 I have the area 419 30 moa rail what size rings do you run low med or high???? Thanks man
Awesome video thank you. Nice shooting also.This is a very useful video.👍🏻
Thanks
Been missing my rimfire fix...Hope ya well Josh.
Love the videos. Could you tell me what kind of chassis you are running in this video?
Mdt acc and the xlr industry element 4.0
Welcome home!!!
Lilja is a very good barrel. Any opinion on the Lothar-Walther, Proof Research, and International ?
On my AT One with the 16.5 inch barrel and a random lot of Wolf with a 3-9 Crossfire 2, I some how did a 3/4 inch group average at 100 yards. This was also when Wolf was still put out by SK so idk if that makes a huge difference.
I have a stock. Ruger 1022 in a Magpul stock and a 4 to 12 scope and shoot about the same! I feel pretty damn good!
Interesting that the smallest two groups were out of the factory MTR barrel though. It would be interesting to see this repeated on a windless day (or indoors)
Don't see what you want to......but instead look for the truth(50 shot groups) 5 shot tells you dick lol......
Just wondering what your thoughts were on the Apex optics and how it compares to others ? Keep up the great work and always look forward to your new vid's, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Once I get the production scope, hoping for April, I will for sure get my thoughts out on it
Hi Josh- Thanks for your work! I have a question regarding the placement of the bipods. On both of your guns the bipods are NOT mounted max. near to the muzzle. What is behind this placement in the middle of the chassis fore end? Could you please explain your thoughts:-)
Just depends on how much room is on the bench etc. All the way out is more stable but often for me on the bench it doesnt seem to make a difference
Hi Josh. What do you have to invest for this 21" Lilja barrel? What twist does Lilja's barrel have? Is the extra charge for Lilja's barrel justified with an advantage of 0.1"? If you now carry out the test with 10 different types of ammunition? Then the advantage of Lilja could be gone, or become even more visible. Especially with 22LR, the right ammunition for the barrel is extremely important, which makes a lot more difference than the 0.1 inch. I would be happy about a more extensive ammunition test from both barrels.
Is that Lila barrel one you put on and shimmed.
Yes
You need some SK standard plus for that factory barrel.
this. All of my CZs love SK std plus. I get the occasional better group from Rifle Match or Wolf match extra, but SK Std Plus is always consistently good, and occasionally great.
Got a ques looking to step up from my arken scopes. what would u recommend out of a couple scopes I'm looking at, athlon cronus btr, ares etr or the tract toric elr
Hey Joish..Great Video. Im pretty disappointed in the groups of both. All Bullshit aside, Straight Up and no bragging..Myself and 4 other guys shoot our 22LR's after maintenance day { Mondays} at Greenwood Gun Club and my groups at 200 yds, 250 yds 300 yds and 335 I can cover a 10 shot group witha Quarter. shooting Lapua CenterX or Lapua Super Long Range,and Lapua Long Range and usually almost that good with SK Match Long Range. My MTR does not like Eley Ammo. My Ruger and Savage from Walmart like it pretty good.My CZ452-2E ina PMC Chassis shoots pretty good.The Timney Trigger needs help.Its way heavy So this leads me to believe that your rifle would shoot much better and probably better than min e withLapua or SK Match Long range. We have only been shooting these 22LRs a few months. Please do not take this as an insult of smart ass or Bragging.Im not that.Im just wondering whats the reason. Is your LILJA a 3 Groove? Thanks..
The lilja is a 3 groove. Every barrel is gonna prefer a certain kind and lot of ammo so its really gonna come down to that.
Yes .Of the regular guys have CZ 457 and 2 have Savages and 2 others have VooDoo. Thats for sure every gun is different.Two guys ent therz to be LOT tested at Lapua. Thanks for you nice videoos.Keep@@PursuitofAccuracy
Hi Josh, I know I’m kind of late, but did your Lilja barrel have the 3 groove rifling?
Lilja - I assume, is you’re number one pick for a MTR aftermarket barrel ??
Josh, Sorry to keep bothering you in comments. I am trying to determine for the money I have, which I want to stay in base class, if the CZ 457 has the same MTR barrel on the Varmint and the Precision? The setup I am wanting is the CZ 457 Varmint MTR with a Bushnell match pro mil and Area 419 base. I am not sure what MOA to get though. I am guessing a 30. That seems to be what I read and see the most of.
I am going to join the channel as quickly as I can.
Thanks for your help.
Any of the cz match barrels are the same. 30 moa should be a good base for your setup
@Pursuit of Accuracy Thanks for the quick reply. Actually, I just joined the channel on Patron. The link for Discord no longer works. Keep the great videos coming.
@@alfredhughes8765 thanks and current link sent on patreon
Thanks
I watch all your videos and know Eley Match is the favorite ammo to you Lilja. Have you tested the MTR barrel for it's favorite ammo, or is it just not practical?
Where can you even find a 20 inch mtr barrel these days.
A big difference in weight should be even for a good comparison
How large are the circles?
1"
I have an idea Josh do the same test to all the precision barrels produced at this time that you did with the Lilja barrel. You have compared just about all the 22s made so do the ultimate test of precision barrels or do you have a bargain with all the other producers of precision barrels not to do that.
I saw this test done however I didn`t know how many precision barrel manufacturers at that time.
Im not obligated to any barrel maker or firearm manufacturer at all.
The problem is that those barrels are expensive lol
I would really like to know how they all compare since you tried Lilja. I am sure you know all the precision barrel manufacturers by now.
@@richardmattix5322 the bartlein is really neck and neck with the lilja but the lilja allows you to set headspace.
IBI never did as well as the other two.
Looks like CZ is as good. Cross wind from right to left?
Yeah right to left is memory serves me
Do they still sell mtr barreled rifles. I can’t find one anywhere
Yeah just look in the specs and it will say match chamber
@@PursuitofAccuracy I can’t find one anywhere. I’ll probably just get the at one and upgrade if need be. Thanks for the videos they are awesome I’ve watched tons of them already.
I’d spend the extra money on the optics
hello you advise me at what distance to zero a 22lr rimfire??
I zero at 50 yards
@@PursuitofAccuracy
I made a zero at 25 meters the other time on the rifle ey then I made corrections to go further is ah 130 meters there are dispersions????
@@luidjicresson1427 there is no reason to zero at 25.
With a 50 yard zero 25 yards is a .1 mil hold under
@@PursuitofAccuracy
yes but even with a zero at 25metre with corrections coming from the strelok I manage ah to make corrections to go ah 100m right in the center 120 too. it's just 130 its scattered??
@@luidjicresson1427 the group is big at 130 or its not centered up via strelok
So you gonna go up against the Cyclops's Bergara ?
FWIW I don't think you honestly look like Pippi Longstocking... Maybe a little... 🤔 Joe sure seems to think so ? Best of luck though ! 😎👍
Haha thanks
How about 1 shoot per target with both guns.
ARA, only allows 1 shoot per bullseye @ 50 yards.
It's very hard...TRY IT!
I shoot on the unlimited ara targets quite a bit
Not sure the custom barrel is worth the extra money. Most of us aren't capable of 1 MOA shooting anyway.
Hmm, the two best groups shot by the MTR factory. And you did not have to pay an extra 300 for it.
I'd call it even
Yeah pretty close. Just waiting for a better wind day
try norma next time.
Just shoot 50meters or 55yards that's the world standard distance for smallbore.
If only 5 shot groups were honest 😆
? Are we up to box of ammo groups now 🤣
The Bartlein with Bentz beats the Lilja with Match beats the CZ MTR.
The bartlein and lilja will be pretty close to each other. I find the lilja match chamber does outperform the bentz at distsnce generally
Never been a fan of Eley ammo doesn't live up to all the hype. Much prefer SK ammo.
SK ammo and capstone are great ammo manufacturers as well. I love my eley though
@@PursuitofAccuracy That's fair enough Josh, we all have our favorits . I've had issues with Eley too much batch to batch inconsistencies
@@buncha5651 batch to batch as in lot to lot?
Just curious is all.
For prs style shooting the team - tenex line is stupid good
@@PursuitofAccuracy Yes it means the same as lot to lot.
@@buncha5651 the lots are intentionally made differently lot to lot so that every rifle can be tested across the lots and find the best lot
Note to self ......take a pass on Eley match
Why? You may get a lot that your rifle hammers with. Test it all and buy as much as what works as you can
Sk long range at 100
Certo che spari proprio male....
kinda disipointed at groups , my 1022 does better than that , but my 457 is my target gun
In a windless environment id be dissapointed.
In the conditions we had, its what I expected.
@@PursuitofAccuracy OK , So be it.
Hmmm, seems to me that you are testing barrels in the wind which can't make it a good test. The factory barrel still shot the smallest group and out of it's 5 strings the smallest "largest" group.
I'd say the factory barrel did as well. I don't see the lilja having the accuracy edge. Seems to me that you must be getting your barrels from them and they must sponsor you.. Your paying 500.00 for a barrel that in your tests, didn't shoot any better. the stock barrel had 2 group in the 6's and the lilja only had one and it didn't beat the stock barrel.
I paid for every lilja barrel I own. The lilja allows you to change headspace via the shims and just because it didnt blow out the mtr barrel on one day it has consistently performed better across my shooting.
Sone days the stock barrel will outperform the lilja, most days its the opposite.
Its funny to me that the go to is we must be sponsored. Were paying for the rifles, ammo, barrels etc to make free content for others to watch to share our passion.
Icing on the cake to constantly have to defend ourselves to people who watch a video for free that we lost money making.
I dont have any affiliates or make any money based off of if you do or dont buy anything you see on my videos.
For the price spent these two gun should have done much better even with the light breeze
5mph wind at 100 yards can move a 22lr an inch.